Fired from service, the command staff of the US destroyer USS Fitzgerald

The deputy commander of the US Navy, Admiral Bill Moran, reports that the Navy had to take action against the commanding staff of the destroyer FitzGerald, which had encountered a civilian vessel. Recall that the incident occurred 17 June. Then the US destroyer USS Fitzgerald in 20 km from the Japanese coast collided with the Philippine ship ACX Crystal. As a result of the incident, seven American sailors died, three more were injured.

According to Bill Moran, the US Navy command decided to dismiss the commander of the USS Fitzgerald from military service, a commodore (unofficial version naval ranks in the US Navy, which actually corresponds to the equivalent of a captain of the first rank in the Russian fleet; Often in the United States, they also call that person with the rank of Rear Admiral Bryce Benson. Two senior officers, the deputy commander of the ship, were also dismissed from the service.

It is also reported that another nine seafarers, including watchmen, who did not give a signal about a dangerous rapprochement with a civilian vessel, would be subject to disciplinary action.

According to Admiral Moran, “as a result of further investigation, other decisions of a disciplinary nature can be taken.

The official results of the investigation into the causes of the collision of the American warship with the Philippine ship are not announced at this time.

Comments

[Thrall]

Transfer them to the Ukrainian sloop "G. Sagaidachny" in punishment

[Logall]

Good morning !
You can’t get them there! Their horses will immediately be made by GOVERNORS. They should be patrolled by the DPRK, so that 21 would shrink and not go to the toilet!

[Shurik70]

the commander’s dismissal from military service ... Two senior officers were also dismissed from the service

It is surprising that the Americans were found guilty
Something is amiss in the world ...

[Brylevsky]

You did not carefully read the article: so far, the Amerin ship has not been found guilty of the collision. This is done by the International Maritime Court in London. Simply, the US Navy command so punished its subordinates, because both parties are always to blame for the collision. Only the degree of guilt is different for everyone.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Brylevsky

The Amerin ship has not yet been found guilty of a collision. This is done by the International Maritime Court in London.

I suggest looking at the maneuvering scheme:
1. The container ship followed the recommended FVK, presumably with V = 26 knots. course SW; When "hauls" on the recommended fairway, it is driven by an autopilot. Duty steering - for control. Iron displacement 29 000t rushing to anyone without paying attention ... He is in his right, KaMaz does not look around in the lane.
2. Em USS Fitzgerald, follows the N course, the speed (?) 18 knots, then suddenly turns to the left, and tries to cross the container ship along the nose onto the 30 knots (runs to look into his face to identify or something else) ... Evolution EM at 30 speed. Because Reuters gives the relative speed in a collision 56 knots (!).
3. Here, an attempt to slip at K / V under the nose is obvious. Night (2: 30 local). On a running post - the watch officer. For at the amov they rule in the sea (shipmasters). Apparently, the BIOS calculated something incorrectly, or the crew, not fully worked out, and did not work out the commands from the bridge on time.
4. K / V hit the Amsky EM with the left cheekbone and a bulb (below the OHL). In the photo - the left anchor lock - and this is the strongest place in the set of the ship's hull, because it must withstand kiloton shocks and jerks of the sea. Therefore, apparently there was a maneuver of EM’s last hope, the blow came in passing: from aft to bow (the door in the photo is moved toward the tank), but 2 cabins were carried to the sea! pierced the body below the overhead line, flooded the nose MO. 7 members thrown into the sea. crew - foremen mostly. CEP was seriously injured.

Quote: Brylevsky

The US Navy command so punished its subordinates, because both parties are always to blame for the collision.

1. The command fired the commander so that the trial was already over the FORMER fleet officer. In my opinion - 100% of the fault in the incident (collision) lies with the officer on duty. CEP will be judged for the death of l / s in peacetime.
2. The guilt for the collision, judging from the maneuvering scheme, is on Generalald. And only in February he completed repairs and modernization for $ 21 billion. The BZZH was apparently worked out, because water pumping is visible and the ship itself slowly (3,0 knots) was dripping into Yokasuku.
K / In the meantime, arrived in Tokyo without any problems ...

[Brylevsky]

Hello dear author, Boa Ka. I propose to discuss your comment on this topic. I have a few comments, principled, or not very. Thank you so much for the maneuvering scheme, it’s not God knows that, but, nevertheless, better than nothing. You have very conveniently broken your points into points, this will greatly facilitate our discussion and simplify understanding for those present. So to the point.
1) "An iron with a displacement of 29 tons rushing without paying attention to anyone ... He is in his right, KaMaz does not look around in the lane of its movement." Everything is a little not so ... The watch officer is obliged to pay attention to ALL goals that he observes visually or with the help of a locator (Rule 000 MPPSS-5, "Observation"). The recommended route does not mean that the vessel sailing along it has any privileges or advantages over other vessels, it is also obliged to give way if required by the Rules.
2) "Um, the USS Fitzgerald, follows the N course, at a speed (?) Of 18 knots, then suddenly turns left." Sorry, this is not visible from the maneuvering scheme. Honestly, nothing is really clear there. The picture from the "black box" would not hurt ... And I would not trust the opinion of news agencies, especially in matters of analysis of emergency cases.
3) “A watch officer is at the naval post. For they are at the amov in the sea (shipmasters).” Exactly. Not only with them, but also with us. The navigational watchman is the plenipotentiary representative of the captain on the bridge. Well, the soldier is a watch officer who is not a navigator at all, but has the necessary skills and is allowed to this action by order of the ship's commander. But, which is fundamentally important: if the watch navigator (or officer) has any doubts in the current situation, the first thing he should do is to inform the captain (commander). Why this was not done on these ships (and wasn’t it?) Is not clear.
4) There is something to think about, but I am inclined to believe that not a single sane skipper will turn left to avoid a collision, therefore, it was not the American who turned left, but the Filipino turned right. There is such an unofficial term - "last chance maneuver". When I was a cadet and we were taught MPPSS-72, the teacher, trying to drive solid skills into us, said: "If something happens, hit right and you'll be right." Well, in the international marine practice, lapels to the left are not encouraged when there is a threat of collision ...
It is possible to discuss endlessly, but only the court will establish the circumstances of what happened and the degree of guilt of each. Although, I must admit, you made a good attempt.

[Boa kaa]

You can discuss endlessly,

1. I respect your opinion. But you are not saying that there are cases in the MPPSS when a civilian ship must give way to a warship.
2. Each site expresses its purely personal opinion, based on knowledge, experience and level of tolerance ...

Quote: Brylevsky

"maneuver of last chance".

If K / V "rulnul" to the left - he would have moved EM in half! Therefore, apparently, they both gave commands to the steering wheel: EM - left-hand drive; C / B - steering right ... But (!) Belatedly!
3. How container ships go on the run - I know from personal experience: in the Great Belt I was nearly “moved” by the same fool .... And this despite the fact that the boat was sailing with a yellow flashing light! And also night, haze, calm ...
So, "swam - we know" (c).

[Brylevsky]

"But you are not saying that there are cases in the MPPSS when a civilian ship must give way to a warship." - honestly, I do not remember such a rule ... I need to read the MPPSS at leisure. There is at the end of the Appendix, which refers to special signals of military courts, incl. submarines. The rules do not divide ships into civilian and military; everyone who is supposed to give way must give way; surveillance and collision avoidance should be done by everyone. Your “vis-a-vis”, who almost moved you, most likely mistook you for a fishing vessel: a flashing yellow light means a vessel fishing with a purse seine (if my memory serves me right). By the way, a submarine in the surface position in addition to the navigation lights should carry two yellow flashing lights, this is the same if my memory serves me right. So how many flashing ones did you have ?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Brylevsky

So how many flashing ones did you have

One flashing on the stock, next to the RPD mine.

[Brylevsky]

This is a violation of MPPSS-72. There should have been two: at the ends of the boat, or as close to them as possible. Well, for sure, you were mistaken for a wallet seiner, with its corresponding dimensions and maneuverability ...

[Ararat]

The dismissal of Kapit’s ship does not mean expulsion from service. In the USA, means dismissed from his position, a death sentence for a career. Mostly laid-offs are transferred to an administrative position where they end their service. Court Martial, that is, a military tribunal can only drive them out.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Shurik70

It is surprising that the Americans were found guilty
Something is amiss in the world ...

The Americans had no chance. This is the Filipinos for revenge for MN-17.

[aszzz888]

Shurik70 It is surprising that the Americans were found guilty
Something is amiss in the world ...

... something somehow boring that the Kremlin’s hand was not found here ... mericosa grow smaller, grow smaller ...

[Zibelew]

Amazed at the training and coherence of the US Navy ship. Without excellent training, there is no way to fail to bring your ship under a ramming strike in the open sea ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Zibelew

Amazed at the training and coherence of the US Navy ship. Without excellent training, there is no way to fail to bring your ship under a ramming strike in the open sea ...

I recalled the joke-bike
Conversation of an American aircraft carrier with a Spanish lighthouse at Cape Finisterre (Galicia).
Spaniards (clutter in the background):
- ... Says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving right at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.
Americans (background noise):
- We advise you to turn 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision with us.
Spaniards:
- The answer is negative. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
Americans (different voice):
“The captain of the ship of the United States of America is speaking to you.” Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.
Spaniards:
“We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate; we advise you to turn 15 degrees south so as not to crash into us.”
Americans (in elevated tones):
- CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD SPEAKS TO YOU, USS LINCOLN AIRCRAFT COMMANDER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SECOND BY THE MAJORITY OF THE Navy OF THE AMERICAN Navy. We are escorted by 2 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 4 submarines and numerous support ships. I DO NOT ADVISE YOU - I ORDER TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE BY 15 DEGREES IN THE NORTH. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!!
Spaniards:
“Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara is speaking to you.” There are two of us. We are accompanied by a dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and a canary, which is now sleeping. We are supported by the radio station and channel 106 “Extreme situations at sea”. We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and are the A-853 lighthouse on Cape Finisterre of the Galician coast of Spain. We have no idea what place we have in size among the Spanish lighthouses. You can accept everything ... !!! measures that you consider necessary, and do anything to ensure your safety ... !!! ship that will smash into smithereens on the rocks. Therefore, once again, we strongly recommend that you do the most meaningful thing: change your course 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Stroporez

6 FIGHTERS

Crooked translation. 6 destroyers. In English, the destroyer - destroyer literally translates as "destroyer" or "fighter."

[Finches]

By Russian standards, as an officer, I automatically wondered if the men had retired and received apartments from the state ...?

[Zibelew]

Quote: Finches

I, as an officer, on the machine wondered if the men had retired and whether they received apartments from the state

Maybe they served it. There the team is still there - the hodgepodge ... The foremen artillerymen Dakota Kyle Rigsby and Noe Hernandez, 3rd class foreman Shingo Alexander Douglass, sonar technician Ngok Truong Win, fire control system operators Carlos-Victor Ganson Sibiyan and Gary Leo Rem, are declared dead. as well as personnel specialist Javier Alec Martin.

[voyaka uh]

"There the team is still that - the hodgepodge." ////

This is a complete section of the American nation, which is the "hodgepodge".
Please note: all sailors are mixed from interracial or interethnic marriages.

[Arameev]

Quote: voyaka uh

Note: This is a complete section of the American nation ... all sailors are mixed from interracial or interethnic marriages.

some nightmare !! "melting pot" does not bring to good .. IMHO

[Arameev]

a "cauldron" giving birth to people without clan without a tribe, a community of loners for whom even such an elementary thing as a matter of fact, such as helping one's neighbor turns into an unnecessary and even harmful atavism

[Dr. Hub]

And then all of a sudden still in communal apartments and with sharing?)))))

[Finches]

Maybe they take it off, poor fellow, and get it for a lift ... Moreover, there is only enough money for the huts in the black neighborhoods of Harlem ...

[Ren]

Quote: Finches

did you get apartments from the state ...?

They do not receive housing from the state, generally in the USA they mainly rent housing, only about half of the population has housing in any form of ownership, most of which are mortgage.

[Ararat]

The state does not give anyone an apartment. You receive a pension only after 20 years of service or for health reasons.

[Finches]

From our point of view, I thought - thank God, the state or an apartment or money for its purchase or construction of a house gives us! And the pension is the same, after 20!

[Ararat]

Here they don’t give anything for nothing. But there are benefits to the apartment and other things. The salary of the officer is quite high to allow you to buy an apartment or house

[Maz]

They probably held a gay parade on the ship, were distracted by democracy from service and were punished by Poseidon

[staviator]

Transfer them to the Ukrainian sloop "G. Sagaidachny" in punishment
If you cannot repeat the incident, Ukraine will lose the entire navy.

[ochakow703]

Well, a good idea, but better advisers to Gutting. Not only Sagaidachny is drowning there, soon all of Ukraine will open Kingstones.

[BVS]

Something I did not see the same decisions on the command staff of the reconnaissance ship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation "Liman" after a collision with the Ashot-7 ship, sunk in the Bosphorus.

[Thrall]

Quote: bvs

Something I did not see the same decisions on the command staff of the reconnaissance ship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation "Liman" after a collision with the Ashot-7 ship, sunk in the Bosphorus.

Keep observing.

[Good Zsul]

BVS - and what did you want to say then?

[rotmistr60]

BVS: Something I did not see ...

Sorry that Kazakhstan was not reported on the measures taken. They answered you correctly -

Keep observing.

[Yu-81]

Quote: bvs

Something I did not see the same decisions on the command staff of the reconnaissance ship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation "Liman" after a collision with the Ashot-7 ship, sunk in the Bosphorus.
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Well, firstly, the leadership knows better. Secondly, situations can be different. Thirdly, no one is obligated to report to the public on this matter. Fourth)) continue to observe)))

[irazum]

Absolutely the right decision. The commander must be responsible for everything. They will analyze it, everyone will have a lesson.

[rotmistr60]

The official results of the investigation into the causes of the collision of the American warship with the Philippine ship are not announced at this time.

Probably, first of all, it is necessary to stop feeling "exceptional" at sea and comply with the established shipping rules. The commander of the ship with responsibility for control and safety. in this situation is guilty by default.

[Brylevsky]

All the "warriors" of the world, not only the American ones, sin by "exclusivity." Ours in this sense have not gone far from those. Even a proverb in the Russian Navy did not arise from scratch: "Fear the fisherman and the fool warrior in the sea." In Primorye, we had at least two tragic incidents at sea, where people died and in which the military were direct participants. Both were associated with submarines and civilian vessels.

[bk316]

Fear the fisherman and the fool warrior in the sea

That's for sure. But in my opinion it’s even worse, if they somehow comply with the MPPSS at sea, then the PPVVD is generally clogged. In your coastal region this may not be relevant, but the Caspian flotilla on the GB frolic in full speed (do not care at all, the anchor is forbidden do not care, someone at anchor doesn’t care)

[bouncyhunter]

Gene, hello! Or maybe the crew received a lyuley from the high command for the fact that they rammed them, and not THEY? And thereby shame the US fleet? Still "exceptional", go to their grandmother!

[rotmistr60]

Hello Pasha! No, here, apparently, they seriously took up the analysis of "flights". Not often do senior officers get fired in the US Navy.

[bouncyhunter]

Do you think they’ve taken seriously to restore order in the navy? Maybe, but somehow it's not very similar to mattresses.

[rotmistr60]

In the army, they at least try to maintain order. But what will the American army lead to the internal discord of the elite?

[bouncyhunter]

The ups and downs are inevitable, so you're right - we'll see.

[Kurare]

Quote: rotmistr60

Probably, first of all, it is necessary to stop feeling "exceptional" at sea and comply with the established shipping rules.

What happened to the destroyer is, as you rightly pointed out, the result of the Americans presenting themselves as "exceptional."

I remember the story of one American Marine who, in the first wave, fell on the Vietnam War. He described the mood and mood of his team when they arrived in Vietnam. Judging by his stories, everyone hoped that the Vietnamese would simply scatter at the sight of US MARINES on the battlefield. They even went to the attack in full growth. And what was their amazement, and for some it was the last thing in their life when their company was crushed to dust.

Arrogance is not the best adviser, especially for the military, since the price of such arrogance is people's lives.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

It is also reported that another nine seafarers, including watchmen, who did not give a signal about a dangerous rapprochement with a civilian vessel, would be subject to disciplinary action.

It is interesting to what disciplinary action the officer will be attracted (according to, for example, the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, dismissal is also a disciplinary action). I would have filed civil suits against the perpetrators of the collision on the spot of the Russian Defense Ministry, however, the relatives of the victims will probably be suing ....

[Volodin]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

I would in place of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation civil lawsuits against the perpetrators of the clashes, but the relatives of the dead will probably file lawsuits

And where does the Russian Defense Ministry? ..

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

I would in place of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation civil lawsuits against the perpetrators of the clashes, but the relatives of the dead will probably file lawsuits

And where does the Russian Defense Ministry? ..

Wrong. Of course the US Defense Ministry ....

[Brylevsky]

Everything will be decided by the International Maritime Court in London. The degree of guilt of each participant in the collision will be established. Both are to blame. One, because he admitted. The second, because he missed. In international maritime practice this is far from a unique case (collision), but the difficulty is that one of the participants in the case is not a commercial vessel, but a warship.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: Brylevsky

Everything will be decided by the International Maritime Court in London.

Why exactly him? This Court will decide "everything" if the Parties agree to transfer the dispute into its hands ...

[Brylevsky]

It’s not clear where they looked ... okay, Filipino. For him, in general, the problem is with a steamboat to disperse. But where did they look? Running watch on the bridge. Calculation of the combat information post. There a whole "brigade" is located in order to issue proposals and recommendations to the commander of the ship. I work in a shipping company. There are three people at the entrance and exit from the port. Three persons! Captain, watch navigator and watch sailor. And on the high seas, the navigator generally has one watch! In defense of the destroyer’s running watch, I can say that the coastal waters of Japan are teeming with fishing boats, bonfire coasters and ferries. Basically, all the fishermen are small, plastic “kawasaki” that very “cling” to the navigation locator (firing, I don’t know how), that is, they are almost invisible on the screen and they begin to break through somewhere at 1,5 - 2 miles, but not the worst. The worst thing is that in Japan (as in all of Southeast Asia) they are extremely disregard for the International Rules for the Prevention of Collisions, MPPSS-72. From here conflict situations very often arise when the ship rates intersect ... I do not know what the situation was in this case. The American has crumpled the right side of the superstructure, therefore, the container ship was to his right ... for a complete picture, only a photograph of the mutual arrangement of the ships at the time of the collision is not enough to make an unambiguous conclusion. In general, swimming in the coastal waters of Japan is very difficult, precisely because of the "hard traffic", especially on the approaches to the Tokyo Bay.

[Seaman77]

Quote: Brylevsky

I work in a shipping company.

Judging by the comment, an accountant ...

[Brylevsky]

Do not understand. Do you have any doubts on my account? Well, make it clear, don’t press ...

[Masya masya]

Not fair! Guilty Filipino ship! Not retreated on time from the course of "exceptional" ...

[Altona]

Quote: Thrall

Transfer them to the Ukrainian sloop "G. Sagaidachny" in punishment

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What are you! Poroshenko will immediately produce them in rear admirals.

[zivXP]

Sloppiness has no place in the navy. Ours needs to learn from the mistakes of others.

[BVS]

Quote: yu-xnumx

Quote: bvs

Something I did not see the same decisions on the command staff of the reconnaissance ship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation "Liman" after a collision with the Ashot-7 ship, sunk in the Bosphorus.
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Well, firstly, the leadership knows better. Secondly, situations can be different. Thirdly, no one is obligated to report to the public on this matter. Fourth)) continue to observe)))

The US Navy (which probably also means “situations may be different,“ no one owes it ”) took and released data on the punishment for the fact of the incident itself, without waiting for the court to be guilty.
Here (in VO), as soon as they don’t humor about this state of emergency, they don’t see analogues in their country, and they don’t humor about their state of emergency. There are no such Navy in Kazakhstan as in the Russian Federation and the USA, therefore we look more objectively at the world around us, which is what we wish for.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: bvs

There are no such Navy in Kazakhstan as in the Russian Federation and the USA, therefore we look more objectively at the world around us, which is what we wish for.

From the heart ... To tears .... You can’t even imagine how objectively “looking into the world”, for example, Belarusians and Mongols - they don’t have a Navy at all. None. Absolutely.

[Suhov]

The issuer violated traffic rules, did not miss from the right.
(The starboard is destroyed.)

[Brylevsky]

It is necessary somewhere on the Internet to look for how events developed there. If they saw each other, then, you are right, the rules 14, 15 MPPSS-72 "worked" there. But could a collision occur in conditions of limited visibility? Then, the starboard side will have nothing to do with (rule 19).

[Brylevsky]

I could not find a clear description of the circumstances of the incident anywhere. Judging by the nature of the damage, the situation could develop as follows. The ships went "to the intersection" to each other. The container ship was to the right of the destroyer. The sailors understood me immediately ... Of course, the destroyer had to give way to him - the situation of the intersection of courses, the classic MPPSS-72. At the same time, the container ship was obliged to maintain its course and speed, until ... until the situation of excessive rapprochement developed. Moreover, in such a situation, the container ship, seeing that the “ship obliged to give way” does not react in any way to the developing situation, itself had to “take decisive action” to avoid a collision, but ... apparently, it reached the last and sharply began to turn to the right, obviously, trying to bring the American to aft heading angles ... but did not take into account the radius of his circulation. Indirectly this is evidenced by the nature of the damage to the stem and the crumpled port side in the region of the container tank’s forecastle. Perhaps there was an intensive movement of incoming and outgoing vessels and someone might have prevented the American from turning in advance, and the Filipino, by virtue of his natural character traits, didn’t itch until the last moment ... maybe there was something else that I didn’t it is known. But I cannot believe that the destroyer until the last moment did not see the container ship going to him at the intersection.

[Saint George]

He saw everything. It was just a provocation. Favorite tactics of the American Navy. Remember the event in the Black Sea when the American destroyer cut our ship.

[Brylevsky]

Or I don’t remember, or I don’t know ... Do not tell me the year of the incident? This is not the case when our watchman American cruiser "shoved" out of our territorial waters?

[Leonid Har]

Well, American admirals and military prosecutors itched for a long time.

[gloomy fox]

the guilty will be punished, it was clear to the hedgehog. But here is No matter how clear the reason is, why did they leave the clash? probably the watch slept or had fun on the bridge with the captain. noting which thread the event.

[Siberia 9444]

Well, they are American, exceptional, why leave, everyone else should part