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Who gave the North Koreans engines for missiles? Versions: from "Yuzhmash" to the Kremlin

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From the Americans, who know everything, it became known: the ballistic missile engines in the DPRK are very similar to those that they do at the Yuzhmash enterprise (Ukraine). This explains the rapid growth of the Juche country in the "development of technology". However, at Yuzhmash, they did not agree with the American hypothesis, calling it far from reality. Also made. about. Head of the Ukrainian State Space Agency Yuri Radchenko, who said that Moscow could have supplied engines to Pyongyang.




In world politics the “Russian trace” flashed again. The Russians are to blame for the supply of North Korean engines for ballistic missiles, because they themselves have almost the same totalitarian regime as in the Juche state. This made it clear in Kiev. And provocatively-minded Americans cast a barrel on good Ukrainians in vain.

Let's sort everything out in order.

The primary source of information about the Ukrainian-North Korean brotherhood in equipping rockets with engines was the mouthpiece of a free press - the New York Times. It seems to be not in the hands of the Kremlin yet, although the appropriate hypotheses will undoubtedly appear after the coming cuts in the Department of State programs to support the liberal press.

William Braud and David Sanger in my article told the world community something out of the ordinary. As if Ukraine, aspiring to liberal democracy, is helping Kim Jong-un, who is in a political confrontation with the United States, is not at all a liberal regime.

There’s a sensation: a photo published by the North Korean State News Agency in July 2017 showed the Hwasong-14 test. A missile is believed to be capable of reaching the mainland of the United States. According to experts, the success of North Korea in creating an intercontinental ballistic missile, which seems to really fly to the United States, was made possible thanks to the “acquisition of powerful engines on the black market”. Probably, these engines were produced by a Ukrainian factory that previously had "historical connection ”with the Russian missile program. Michael Elleman's investigation seems to explain the mystery of how North Korea succeeded after so many missile launch failures.

After many failures in the DPRK launches, it has changed projects and suppliers. This happened in the last two years. This is sure the specialist on rocket issues from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (International Institute for Strategic Studies) Michael Elleman.

Analysts who studied the photographs in which the leader of northerners, Kim Jong-un, examines the new rocket engines, came to the conclusion: the engines are similar to the designs that once set off the missiles of the Soviet Union! The engines were so powerful that one intercontinental missile could carry up to 10 thermonuclear warheads.

This kind of engines were produced only on a few Soviet objects. Investigators from the US government and experts focused on the rocket plant in Dnepr (Ukraine). During the Cold War, the plant in this city produced "the most deadly missiles" in the Soviet arsenal, including the giant SS-18. The plant remained one of the main producers of missiles for Russia, even after Ukraine gained independence.

When the “pro-Russian president,” Yanukovych, fled from Ukraine (2014 year), difficult times began for the state enterprise “Yuzhmash”. The plant was idle, mountains of unpaid bills grew, the staff had a "low morale." Experts believe that all of this together has led to a black deal with the DPRK.

“These engines were probably supplied from Ukraine, perhaps in an illegal way,” Mr. Elleman said in an interview with reporters. “The big question is how much [engines] they have, and whether Ukrainians are helping them now. I am very concerned about this. ”

He also recalled that the UN investigation had concluded in its time: North Korea six years ago was trying to steal missile secrets from the Ukrainian defense complex. Two North Koreans even caught. The report of the UN investigators states that the information that they tried to steal, belongs to the category of advanced "rocket systems, liquid engines, spacecraft systems and rocket fuel systems." Now experts believe that in the conditions of the chaos of post-revolutionary Ukraine, Pyongyang made a second attempt to get what he wanted.

A detailed analysis of Mr. Elleman is a public confirmation that US intelligence officials spoke privately before. The new Kim Jong Un rockets are based on very sophisticated technology. The North Koreans simply could not have made such a rapid leap in technology development. Apparently, they launched the new engine for the first time in September of 2016. And this meant that it took only 10 months to move from the base stage to the launch of the ICBM!

Last month, the newspaper reminds, the Yuzhmash plant rejected the information that the plant complex allegedly fights for survival, and therefore sold its technologies abroad, in particular, to China. The company's website says that the company does not do this and will not do it: it will not participate in the “transfer of potentially dangerous technologies outside Ukraine”. American investigators, however, do not believe in this denial. However, they note that they also have no clear evidence of the opposite, since the government of Poroshenko, who recently visited the White House, "knows nothing" about what is happening "inside the complex."

Therefore, hitting the DPRK of Russian engines, known as RD-250, is still a mystery. Elleman does not exclude the possibility that the large Russian rocket enterprise Energomash, which has strong ties with the Ukrainian complex, also played a role in the transfer of North Korean RD-250 engine technology. He said that the remainder of the RD-250 engines could be stored in Russian warehouses.

The fact that powerful engines hit North Korea, despite United Nations sanctions, testifies to a “wide gap in intelligence,” journalists say.

"Bulletin of nuclear scientists" confirms the theses of Elleman. The other day the publication provided a detailed analysis of the new engine of North Korean missiles. Scientists have concluded: the engine is based on RD-250. The finding, according to experts, “raises new, possibly sinister questions.” In their opinion, such discoveries suggest both new threats from North Korea and the danger of the proliferation of rocket weapons in the world: after all, the Ukrainian plant is financially weak so far. Yes, he makes trolley buses and tractors, but rocket customers would allow him to "return some of his glory."

At Yuzhmash itself, the statements of American experts, cited in the New York Times publication, are refuted.

“The facts stated in the publication are not true. In particular, Yuzhmash is not only not the main producer of rockets for Russia, but also does not supply missiles at all in the Russian Federation, nor their parts and assembly units, including rocket engines, ”the website quotes the Yuzhmash statement. "Observer".

The company also reported that the expert’s hypotheses about a possible “missile” connection between Ukraine and North Korea are irrelevant to reality, and “Yuzhmash” has nothing to do with North Korean missile programs: “Yuzhmash” has never had and now has nothing to do to the North Korean space or defense missile programs. In the years of independence, “Yuzhmash” was not and is not being released. ” The only serial engine delivered in recent years for export, clarified at the enterprise, goes to Italy. It is designed to work in open space and is unsuitable for use in military ballistic missiles.

An article in The New York Times at the plant was called provocative, based on incompetent opinion.

About the provocative material in the American newspaper said and Secretary of the National Security Council of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov. is he turned the arrows in Russian: “This information has no basis, is provocative in content, and most likely provoked by Russian special services to cover their own crimes.”

According to Mr. Turchinov, Ukraine considers the regime of the DPRK "totalitarian, dangerous and unpredictable, and supports all sanctions against this country." “Just like the sanctions against the Russian Federation, the regime of which is becoming more and more like North Korean,” the secretary added. And the Kremlin “sealed” one more time:

“Ukraine did not supply rocket engines and any rocket technologies to North Korea. We believe that this anti-Ukrainian campaign was provoked by the Russian special services to cover their participation in the North Korean nuclear and missile programs. ”


The voice of Turchinov was picked up by the acting head of the Ukrainian State Space Agency (Goscosmos), Yuri Radchenko. At a press conference he said that Moscow could supply Pyongyang with missiles, engines and fuel components. And all for the sake of friendship!

“Considering the friendly relations with Korea, Russia could have every reason to supply rockets, engines, and fuel components there,” Radchenko quotes. UNIAN.

He also recalled that Ukraine before the 2001 of the year produced the rocket engines mentioned in the publication of the American newspaper, but all of them were delivered to Russia and are stored there as part of the Cyclone 2 and Cyclone 3 missiles.

“According to current information, Russia currently has 2 Cyclone and 3 Cyclone missiles in the amount of 7 to 20 missiles. There are engines, there is documentation. They can supply these engines as finished products to anyone, this is not excluded, ”said further and. about. In his opinion, these missiles will not be used by Russia anymore.

As for the publication itself in the New York Times, the official considered it to be a provocation inspired by the Russians: “The high degree of probability that the appearance in the press can be inspired by our“ friends ”from Russia, because they are interested in lowering the rating of our country in those projects in which we participate. ”

And here is the cherry on the cake. With General Director of Yuzhmash Sergey Voit, as reported "Vesti", talked famous pranker Vladimir Kuznetsov and Alex Stolyarov, I mean Vovan and Lexus. The latter deftly pretended to be Turchinov, and the director told him hitherto unknown details about the work of the design bureau Yuzhnoye (SFC).

Voit said he had no idea how the engines could get into the DPRK and suggested that Russia was to blame for everything: after all, the developers of the documentation are there.

Then he recalled the CCD as a “weak link”.

“The weak link, of course, is the KGB, we have no one to suspect. And they go [abroad], they have contacts. We need to work with them so that they are less trindeli. "


In conclusion, we add that the numerous denials received from officials of Ukraine did not quite convince Washington of the purity of Ukrainian thoughts.

If information about engine supplies to Kim Jong Un’s regime is confirmed, the United States will consider this a serious matter, the State Department said.

“We are aware of these messages,” Heather Nauert, the head of the State Department press service, quotes the TV channel "NTV". - This is the question that we take very seriously, if the data is confirmed. I know that in the past, Ukraine prevented the supply of sensitive substances to those states whose actions we are concerned about. We have good and strong ties with Ukraine. Ukraine has a good track record in nonproliferation. ”

As you can see, the ability to restore the shaky reputation of Kiev is available. In the delivery of “sensitive substances”, the arrows need to be translated into Russians. The option is a ride, because, as always, there is no evidence from American investigators and intelligence officers.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. inkass_98
    inkass_98 18 August 2017 06: 49
    +2
    It’s clear that the matter is dark.
    But the fact that the brothers could well do something similar, there is no doubt, it’s enough to recall left-handed deliveries of tanks and their engines to Pakistan, attempts to unlicensedly repair Soviet aircraft of NATO countries, deceiving Thailand in delivering tanks, the legendary BTR-3 and 4 from Iraq and others in the same spirit.
    1. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 18 August 2017 09: 16
      +7
      And what exactly is in the repair of Soviet criminal technology? The Israelis are also modernizing Soviet equipment. The fact that consumers lose their “factory warranty” is not a crime, but a consumer decision.

      As for the contracts that spoiled Ukrainian factories, this is again a matter of the reputation of Ukrainian producers. In general, again, nothing criminal - pay forfeit on contracts and all business.

      It is not clear why you are so upset? What engines have sold? First of all, the Americans ask themselves why they didn’t buy it, and then the question is why they bought the other.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 18 August 2017 09: 59
        0
        Yes, I’m not upset at all yet, I’m waiting for the end of the circus with the search for extreme ones. We will be upset when we are directly affected.
        And on the contrary, I am happy for the customers of Ukrainian repair: you are skyty, your eyes are buzzing, shoals are swimming.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 18 August 2017 11: 27
      +20
      Analysts who have studied the photographs in which the leader of the northerners Kim Jong-un inspects the new rocket engines, concluded:

      And here is another proof: fellow
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 18 August 2017 18: 31
        +1
        Who gave the North Koreans engines for missiles? Versions: from "Yuzhmash" to the Kremlin
        Oleg, you, play games .... so I pull on myself, I opened! (I don’t remember the truth when I am getting old.) But, I’m for sure! yes knit! Oleg, from you country house, (I don’t like shikolat, it’s better than caramel, and tea is empty, pressure torments me)
  2. 34 region
    34 region 18 August 2017 07: 21
    +1
    Now in the media publish information about the modern * cold start *, then about the Soviet engines. So what are the launches in the DPRK? Modern or 20th Century?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 August 2017 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: 34 region
      Now in the media publish information about the modern * cold start *, then about the Soviet engines. So what are the launches in the DPRK? Modern or 20th Century?

      all sorts of things ... lazily upload to the site, google to help ...
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 18 August 2017 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Region 34
      That in the media publish information about the modern * cold start *

      "Cold start" (mortar) Pukguksong-2 from the DPRK

      Hot start smile Hwason-14 from the DPRK
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 August 2017 07: 35
    0
    Ukraine has a good track record in nonproliferation

    Well, everything is back in place. Even if the engines and technologies went to the DPRK from Ukraine, there will be no punishment. Regarding the "good track record" - the American probably did not mean non-proliferation, but the whistle readiness to fulfill any whim of Washington.
    1. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 18 August 2017 09: 43
      +1
      Well, why ... The transfer of such technologies (especially given the problems of the United States with the wounded engines) does not pass unnoticed, especially in a country where all the "power" under the hood.

      And the stress point for China-Japan-Russia-South Korea in the east is very appropriate. Japan and South Korea successfully spud up to the EATO and other "trade partnerships" and do not even jerk about independent military and other policies ..
  4. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 18 August 2017 08: 14
    +11
    He said that the remainder of the RD-250 engines could be stored in Russian warehouses.

    RD-250 is a two-chamber engine, and in the photo of the Koreans it is single-chamber. Yes, the combustion chamber is one to one, but the TNA had to be halved, and only Yuzhmash could do this development, since he had all the documentation. If you re-make the TNA, it is easier to do with the combustion chamber, and this will even look like a completely different engine.
    Yes, the RD-250 should be in Russian warehouses as part of the Cyclones. But there are only 7 missiles on the remainder, and there is information that they were returned to Ukraine, with respect to 4 missiles there is full confirmation. So having processed TNA for Yuzhmash is the cheapest way to cut dough.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 August 2017 09: 11
    +1
    Ukraine has a good track record in nonproliferation. ”

    ... this is the statement of the merikathos and will form the basis of the alibi of the ukrokals ... and again we will begin to make excuses, and again NEW sanctions ...
  6. Old26
    Old26 18 August 2017 09: 59
    +3
    Quote: 34 region
    Now in the media publish information about the modern * cold start *, then about the Soviet engines. So what are the launches in the DPRK? Modern or 20th Century?

    And those and others. The Pukkuksong-2 missile system used a cold (mortar) launch. Hwasong-12 and Hwasong-14 missiles are a typical launch.

    Quote: Jurkovs
    RD-250 is a two-chamber engine, and in the photo of the Koreans it is single-chamber. Yes, the combustion chamber is one to one, but the TNA had to be halved, and only Yuzhmash could do this development, since he had all the documentation. If you re-make the TNA, it is easier to do with the combustion chamber, and this will even look like a completely different engine.
    Yes, the RD-250 should be in Russian warehouses as part of the Cyclones. But there are only 7 missiles on the remainder, and there is information that they were returned to Ukraine, with respect to 4 missiles there is full confirmation. So having processed TNA for Yuzhmash is the cheapest way to cut dough.

    Ukraine will rest against all limbs in order not to admit it. They will blame Russia, accusing it of what it has transmitted, since it is the creator of the engine, and therefore guilty. Ukrainians, white and fluffy are out of business. Recognize that we have returned unused Cyclones to them. which we haven’t been flying for 8-11 years already means to sign for ourselves that they have pushed. Either engines or fragments thereof, or documentation
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 19 August 2017 00: 50
      +1
      why excuse ...

      War with North Korea is economically viable for the United States. This war can and does solve many internal problems.

      They also shed these engines through southerly mash.

      Why all this talk about obvious things?
  7. Sars
    Sars 18 August 2017 10: 07
    +4
    What Ukrainians sell Soviet military technology to China and North Korea talks have been going on for ten to fifteen years.
    Three years ago there was information about Yuzhmash’s cooperation with the Koreans. Why then no one paid attention to this is not clear.
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  9. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 18 August 2017 11: 07
    +3
    For decades, North Korea has been engaged in rocket science in general, and the construction of liquid rocket engines in particular. Do you look like Ukrainian? So the LRE are all alike! Though Korean, even Russian, even Ukrainian! And together they look like an engine from the FAU-2! Even then, the Germans decided all the fundamental issues. North Koreans are no fools than the south. It’s just that they weren’t afraid of it once. They were not released by the Americans, but by the USSR! Ever since then! By the way, Yuzhmash does not build engines. They are built or built by Motor Sich in Zaporozhye.
    1. Catherine II
      Catherine II 18 August 2017 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: Aspid 57
      By the way, Yuzhmash does not build engines. They are built or built by Motor Sich in Zaporozhye.

      hardly. MS does not deal with those engines.
      South just (engine for Vega)
      I cannot understand one thing - why the Russian press is promoting (at the same time as the Ukrainian) a regular article about people's assumptions .. Or is it so important to discuss their assumptions? The poor author of the assumption is already being removed from social networks .. I'm not glad that he generally described the situation.
      The press joyfully picked up not the essence, but only an assumption, and I can already see the tenth interpretation (they started with technology - they end up with almost direct delivery with installation .. there is still a warranty service option) of the events ..
      oh yes ..information war ...
      1. Aspid 57
        Aspid 57 18 August 2017 15: 57
        0
        And GTE and LRE. All MS engaged. A rocket is a rocket, and an engine is an engine. The production of engines is technologically more complicated by an order, if not two. And it is completely different.
  10. the villain
    the villain 18 August 2017 12: 39
    +3
    When the “pro-Russian president,” Yanukovych, fled from Ukraine (2014 year), difficult times began for the state enterprise “Yuzhmash”. The plant was idle, mountains of unpaid bills grew, the staff had a "low morale." Experts believe that all of this together has led to a black deal with the DPRK.

    And it’s warm, American citizens, put your index finger in your nose deeper, and carefully think who created all the conditions for such situevina.
    With some thought, there will be only one conclusion:
  11. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 18 August 2017 13: 57
    +1
    the Americans allowed the Ukrainians to cut down the boble on delivery, and they themselves got another excuse to fuck in Korea. Now you can just blow up your own base on Guam and say that it’s Kim and bomb, bomb, bomb. Since the death of the WTC, nothing has changed. God bless American imperialism is the main source of terror on the planet.
    1. seal78
      seal78 19 August 2017 05: 31
      0
      Only not with the death of the WTC, but much earlier. One example is Pearl Harbor. Exactly the same provocation.
  12. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 August 2017 14: 15
    +1
    In the USA, a group of experts have been forecasting for several years that the DPRK is capable of making ICBMs no earlier than 2020. Now their tactics will justify such a big miscalculation.
    1. Someone gave them engines.
    2. The warhead was destroyed when entering the atmosphere and, in essence, no warhead was hit because the rocket could reach this position only without payload.
    3. The nuclear charge of the Koreans is very heavy and cannot be used in their ICBMs.
    Such tactics are good to justify their mistakes, but very dangerous for the United States itself because in a nuclear war it is better to overestimate than underestimate the enemy. It could force the Koreans to conduct a real demonstration of the range of their ICBMs with the detonation of a real nuclear warhead to deter the United States. In the past, the Chinese have done so in this way.
  13. BAI
    BAI 18 August 2017 16: 04
    +1
    The option will work, because American investigators and scouts, as always, have no evidence

    They do not need evidence, their other options do not suit.
  14. naspret
    naspret 18 August 2017 16: 08
    +1
    I think all the technologies that Ukrainians could sell were already sold, most likely on both sides. But apparently this is not enough to build new engines and they sold the old Soviet, or their modernized version. The number of engines is limited; neither of them can produce new ones.
    It’s not enough for war, but the very thing is to throw dust in the eyes. So sobsna and use them. As they say, a good show is more expensive than money. (opinion of a dunce, expert and just a professional)
  15. Silver fox_2
    Silver fox_2 18 August 2017 17: 22
    +3
    Sharia has a video on this topic))) look
  16. Andrew ))))))
    Andrew )))))) 18 August 2017 17: 57
    +2
    This is such a Ukrainian trick, laughing first destroyed the monuments to Lenin,
    while they themselves quietly help the Communists, well done crests.
  17. gladcu2
    gladcu2 18 August 2017 18: 54
    0
    The US war, with North Korea, is beneficial primarily to the United States.

    Under the noise of war, one can undermine the economies of South Korea and Japan, freeing up the domestic market for their companies.

    This is the most superficial conclusion.
    1. A_L_F
      A_L_F 18 August 2017 22: 26
      0
      The FSA will no longer sit behind a puddle and they are most afraid of it, the DPRK has already experienced a large submarine fleet and underwater launch, each submarine can carry nuclear weapons, and they also have an autonomous retaliatory strike system.
      Also, China defends the DPRK and they will not allow them to have war

      The FSA will better agree peacefully and lag behind the DPRK, otherwise it will end badly for them.
  18. Guru
    Guru 18 August 2017 19: 57
    0
    “Sensitive Substances” - Smiled from the Soul. Article +
  19. DOCTOR ZLO
    DOCTOR ZLO 18 August 2017 21: 12
    +2
    “These engines were probably supplied from Ukraine, perhaps in an illegal way,” Mr. Elleman said in an interview with reporters. “The big question is how much [engines] they have, and whether Ukrainians are helping them now. I am very concerned about this. ”

  20. APASUS
    APASUS 18 August 2017 21: 38
    0
    Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin

    Although the author tried, he did not consider a couple of points.
    1 Yet these engines are Korean, although they are clearly understood to have undergone the modernization of the local design bureau. The question is not even what they produce, but on what specifically, stealing the drawings doesn’t mean anything yet.
    At the moment, equipment and technology most likely came through China.
    2 The author did not consider the further fate of the missiles launched in Ukraine under the project of the Ukrainian-Brazilian project “Cyclone-4 - Alcantara”
    http://www.milnavigator.com/braziliya-vyshla-iz-u
    krainsko-brazilskogo-proekta-zapuskov-rakety-nosi
    telya-ciklon-4 /
    1. Ilya Markelov
      Ilya Markelov 19 August 2017 02: 26
      0
      1. On the basis of what are such false conclusions that the engines are Korean? Sources?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 August 2017 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Ilya Markelov
        On the basis of what are such false conclusions that the engines are Korean?

        In addition to the engine in the rocket, a bunch of power systems, guidance, orientation in space, and all this is mounted in a common system. Whatever this engine was, it is anyway brought under a certain system
  21. Ilya Markelov
    Ilya Markelov 19 August 2017 02: 25
    0
    Sharia has an interview with an employee of Yuzhmash, tells in detail how everything is organized, called "From KB You could take out anything"
  22. gorenina91
    gorenina91 19 August 2017 04: 57
    +1
    -Personally, I can’t understand anything from what has been said ... -Rocket engines .. that ...- were actually delivered from Ukraine to North Korea ..? ...- And Ukraine really has such technical potential and such technological capabilities ..? -Well ... if that is so .. then Ukraine doesn’t even have to hide this fact, but be proud and advertise its "advanced economic scientific and technical level and potential" to the whole world ... -that you can afford only a state with high-tech capabilities ...
    -And that rocket engines got to North Korea exactly ... -that is nonsense ... -USA will forgive Ukraine any "pranks" ... -if you only Ukraine continued all its evil .., fierce .., hostile politics in relation to Russia ... -For this you can forgive everything ...
  23. Old26
    Old26 19 August 2017 16: 05
    0
    Quote: Silver Fox_2
    Sharia has a video on this topic))) look

    People spoke so much that everything shows that he did not go beyond production practice at YuMZ and Yuzhnoye Design Bureau.
  24. kdakda
    kdakda 21 August 2017 10: 49
    0
    At all times, information leaked about this or that. It's just a matter of price.