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Comedy and tragedy of Ukraine

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Comedy and tragedy of Ukraine



Sometimes they reproach me: they say, why is there only one negative thing about Ukraine? Why is "all bad"? Although the question is to ask those who came to power in Kiev as a result of a coup d'état. And not to those who are trying, as they can, to give at least some answer to the total anti-Russian orgy, which often looks like a theater of the absurd.

In fact, I really want to write about Ukraine in a positive way. Warms the heart of any reason for this. For example, the "Immortal Regiment" in Kiev and other cities of Ukraine, when people took to the streets with portraits of true Heroes despite the fear of neo-Nazis. Or the fact that people come to the House of Trade Unions in Odessa on the second day of each month with flowers, despite the threats of Nazi groups.

Unfortunately, there are not many such reasons. Most often there is another. Either a cheap comedy, or a real tragedy. So there is a post-Maid Ukraine - to the point of laughter and tears.

Just recently, the Minister of Social Policy Andrei Reva hinted that the Ukrainians ... were zazhralis. They put before him on the 112 TV channel the question that the Germans take 14% for food, and the Ukrainians take half of their income. He found the reason: they say, the Ukrainians and the Germans have a different food culture: “The Germans eat a little differently ... Food prices are about the same in Ukraine and Germany ... They eat less, not because they have no opportunity, but because such a culture. And therefore spend less compared to our people". Of course, the minister did not bother to compare the level of wages, but he made a valuable admission: at least something has become like in Europe. Namely - the price of products. As it turned out, the problem doesn’t concern Reba himself - some German could well envy him: in July alone he received over one hundred thousand hryvnias.

For example, officials not only of Ukraine are a separate caste, terribly far from the people. And the Russians, they happen, will blurt out something out of the ordinary - such as how much an ordinary family can save for an apartment every month. But in order to look into the mouth of impoverished citizens like this and reproach a piece of bread, it is necessary to be the minister of social policy in Maidan government!

Let us now turn from bread and fat, essential to spectacle. For the Ukrainians are trying to deprive them. Recently, the cases of introducing popular artists to the Peacemaker website have become frequent. Almost every day someone is on the black list.

Recently, Oleg Gazmanov's data was entered on this criminal website (we must pay tribute to him - the former advocate of liberal ideas at this stage had the courage to speak for the people of Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics). The same lists included rapper Basta, Garik Sukachev, Sergey Galanin, and even the long-term host of Fields of Miracles, Leonid Yakubovich. They committed “terrible crimes”: “illegal border crossing”, “illegal concert activity”, and also - oh, this is “the most terrible villainy”: “Denial of Russian aggression”! (And just - went to the Crimea). And just entered news about the latest replenishment site "Peacemaker": a group of "Roots".

Of course, getting to this site is not equally dangerous for everyone. If for those who live on the territory of Ukraine, this can be very serious trouble and even death, for Russian artists the consequences are somewhat different. In this case, a ban on entry is possible, and if you manage to break through the Russian-Ukrainian border, the concert can be canceled or thwarted by radical hooliganism thugs who assume the right to decide for others what to watch, who to listen to and “ than to breathe. Almost according to Gazmanov, if we recall his song about the “fresh wind” (which turned out to be true, it turned out to be a trash wind).

The Ukrainian authorities are trying to attract Europe to their side. Sometimes it works out: “Eurovision” has bent under itself. Previously, the non-admission of Russian participant Yulia Samoilova was a violation of the rules of the competition (to which, however, for the sake of the political situation, they closed their eyes). Now, according to the new rules, member countries should not nominate those who are denied entry into the host state. This rule was introduced specifically for the sake of Ukraine, or rather, for the sake of its government officials, whose behavior is difficult to regard otherwise than a cheap comedy.

Given that the spirit of "Eurovision" implies a ban on any political demarches, - now any unwanted country can not be allowed to compete. The preposition can be found any. After all, as we remember, all the "fault" of Yulia Samoilova was that she was in the Crimea. (Apparently, by fighting this fragile girl, the Maidan authorities tried to regain the peninsula!)

In this way, a question that should not concern politics - who will sing at Eurovision - becomes the most acute political one: whose Crimea?

It can also be said that all these artists, all this pop, all this “Eurovision” have no relation to art. But you can admire the new specimen of Ukrainian high art. In Kiev, sculpted a monument to "Hero ATO" - ancient sculptors, as they say, rest.

According to the authors of the "masterpiece", a big sword pierces through the map of Russia. However, associations in connection with aggressive sculpture are born very different. The most decent: it looks like a gravestone of the ATOshnikov, into which a stake was driven. That would be right: the ghouls are the ghouls. For strange statements by ministers, whistling around objectionable artists is just a cheap comedy. But the fact that the criminal "ATO" continues is a real tragedy ...
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  1. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 06: 42
    +10
    What is the article about?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 17 August 2017 06: 50
      +19
      What is the article about?


      smile An article on contrasts in a country called UKRAINE ...
      where black is called white and vice versa.
      Elena is worried about the future of Ukrainians ...
      although I think let them boil in their own juice.
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 24
        +8
        The article placed in the Analytics section should contain at least some kind of analysis.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 17 August 2017 07: 27
          +7
          The article placed in the Analytics section should contain at least some kind of analysis.

          Well, ELENA does not work in intelligence and does not have reliable statistics on the state of affairs in UKRAINE ... therefore, we will be indulgent towards her knowing how she writes all her articles. smile
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 36
            +7
            So the section needs agitation and propaganda.
            1. My address
              My address 17 August 2017 11: 49
              +6
              Konstantin! Here you have a brief analyst from the article of respected Helen:
              It's hard to be de Beale on Dill. The competition is huge. lol
              1. Catherine II
                Catherine II 17 August 2017 13: 49
                0
                Quote: My address
                Here you have a brief analysis from the article of the respected Elena:

                if you talk and write about it often, it will become an axiom and a reflex will develop, which is what you need at this stage.
                That is not right, because common sense is cut off ... but only emotionally put pressure on the consumer of information.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 17 August 2017 08: 07
          +10
          Quote: Ken71
          The article placed in the Analytics section should contain at least some kind of analysis.

          What to analyze now? A madhouse, he is a madhouse. Symptoms noted. And when there are more of them, then the articles are already more detailed.
          After all, it has long been written that without a continuation of the war ----- no way for a pig. Without attention of the geyrops and states --- no way. All that is being done ---- for this.
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 08: 14
            +3
            Here. You have a primitive but an analysis. By the way, GDP is growing even faster than ours. And the hryvnia to the ruble grew somewhere by a quarter and the banking system is quite stable. And by the way, the right ones are pressed a little.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 17 August 2017 08: 28
              +10
              The hryvnia to the ruble as it was in the region of 0.43, and hangs. And their GDP is growing - very fast. From "0" it is easy to grow. Let compare with the 13th year. I have a lot of acquaintances. There are maydanutye. But even they don’t see anything optimistic ...
              1. Kenxnumx
                Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 08: 37
                +1
                Well, the dynamics must be watched quarterly. And so I just gave an example. I mean, in the analytics section there should be analysis and it may not be completely negative.
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                3. AID.S
                  AID.S 17 August 2017 12: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Ken71
                  Well, the dynamics must be watched quarterly.

                  “Remember these fawn hats?” “Well, yes, of course.” “And what did they make of?” “Of the fawn.” “That's right. And who are the furs? Well, something like an otter, I guess. Well, everyone thinks so, and no one knows. - We made cats out. "
              2. tanit
                tanit 17 August 2017 11: 44
                +5
                Date Course
                17.08.2017 2.332670
                16.08.2017 2.341110
                15.08.2017 2.333850
                14.08.2017 2.341920
                13.08.2017 2.341920
                12.08.2017 2.341920
                11.08.2017 2.331900
                10.08.2017 2.330620
                09.08.2017 2.330560
                08.08.2017 2.331090
                07.08.2017 2.333780
                06.08.2017 2.333780
                05.08.2017 2.333780
                04.08.2017 2.349200
                03.08.2017 2.336360
                02.08.2017 2.313980
                01.08.2017 2.323080
                Hryvnia rate.
                Quote: Ken71
                And the hryvnia to the ruble grew somewhere by a quarter
                Ага. laughing
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 12: 56
                  +1
                  I admit it was wrong. 10% since May
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 09: 17
              +10
              According to ukrstat? Good joke.
        3. elenagromova
          17 August 2017 14: 45
          +1
          It is necessary to analyze the symptoms of the disease, which is clinical Russophobia. Watch and record.
        4. Pancir026
          Pancir026 20 August 2017 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: Ken71
          The article placed in the Analytics section should contain at least some kind of analysis

          Yes. But your questionable kind of tests, not in any laboratory, will be taken because of their toxicity.
          "According to the authors of the" masterpiece ", a large sword pierces the map of Russia through. However, the associations associated with aggressive sculpture are very different. The most decent: it looks like a grave plate of AToshnikov, into which an aspen stake was driven. That would be right: ghouls are For strange statements of ministers, a whistle around objectionable artists is just a cheap comedy. But the fact that the criminal ATO continues is a real tragedy ... "Is it difficult to learn what is written?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 August 2017 07: 08
      +9
      Ukraine is more and more immersed in virtual space. And this is the clinic.
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 25
        +2
        And soon it will fall apart. Will you vang?
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 August 2017 08: 29
          +6
          I’ll probably try. 19th year may not survive in its present form.
        2. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 09: 19
          +11
          It has already collapsed, and you are all asleep. Or the loss of the Crimea and parts of Donbass, is this not a collapse? We need to talk about the beginning of the collapse and the continuation of this process, and not when the collapse begins. It is already underway.
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 09: 43
            +1
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            relations

            For them, Ukrainians should be divided into 24 people's republics, and shouted "Long live the indestructible brotherhood of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples! Hooray, hooray, hooray !!!". The Somali version for them does not roll in mind
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 10: 41
              +6
              Honestly, the complete collapse of Ukraine is unprofitable for Russia. This is fraught with many negative consequences for Russia.
              I will not repeat myself, they have already been talked about repeatedly.
              My only opinion is that Ukraine is now completing the process of the collapse of the USSR.
              What is happening in Ukraine, happened in Russia and Central Asia, and in Georgia and Moldova, for the time being, this process was inhibited in Ukraine and Belarus.
              Probably it could have been completely avoided if not for the thoughtless policy of the Ukrainian elite.
              But what happened is what happened.
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 17 August 2017 10: 49
                +3
                Why is the collapse of Ukraine unprofitable for us? Ukraine is a hotbed of Bendery, that is, the disappearance of this entity as a country is beneficial to us!
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 17 August 2017 10: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Lgankhi
                  Why is the collapse of Ukraine unprofitable for us? Ukraine is a hotbed of Bendery, that is, the disappearance of this entity as a country is beneficial to us!

                  The law of unity and struggle of opposites. In the most, no matter what, a good example.
                2. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 11: 09
                  +4
                  The destruction of Bandera, yes. I already said that the negative consequences for Russia of the collapse of Ukraine were discussed more than once. There is no need to repeat it.
                  A breeding ground for Bandera, mainly a Western woman who has now straddled Ukraine.
                3. Dry_T-50
                  Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 13: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: Lgankhi
                  Why is the collapse of Ukraine unprofitable for us? Ukraine is a hotbed of Bendery, that is, the disappearance of this entity as a country is beneficial to us!

                  No. Firstly, more than a thousand kilometers separating Russia from NATO will immediately disappear. Secondly, it will mean that a part of this territory hangs like a dead weight on the neck of the Russian economy. Third, in the same territory Kharkov will be guaranteed armed resistance, for Kiev and Odessa just keep quiet.

                  You just need to realize the fact that the Ukrainians will never again and under no circumstances treat the Russians well. And listen less to different Ischenk and Bondarenok, who say that "Ukrainians are seeing the light"
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 18 August 2017 21: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                    You just need to realize the fact that the Ukrainians will never treat the Russians well under any circumstances.

                    You think too high of yourself, sell for a couple of cookies
                    1. Lganhi
                      Lganhi 18 August 2017 22: 33
                      +1
                      These skakuases whose ancestors massacred 100 thousand Polish women and children in Volyn and burned Khatyn? And those who joyfully jumped and hooted, burning people alive in Odessa? Do you consider them relatives and brothers? Yes, with such "brothers" do not need enemies!
                    2. Dry_T-50
                      Dry_T-50 18 August 2017 23: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                      You just need to realize the fact that the Ukrainians will never treat the Russians well under any circumstances.

                      You think too high of yourself, sell for a couple of cookies

                      I-maybe. But I will never be offered. Such as I always enmity with everyone.
                      If you are about those who were on Independence, then cookies are just the final touch to the big picture, believe a person who lived in Ukraine from 1991 to 2015 year
              2. Roma 1977
                Roma 1977 17 August 2017 11: 33
                +5
                Events in Ukraine became possible as a result of a thoughtless policy of the Russian elite, not Ukrainian. For 23 years, Russia was absolutely not engaged in ideological and political work in Ukraine. And in Belarus, by the way, too. Therefore, Belarus in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia officially took the side of Ukraine. And it will be even worse. No conclusions were drawn.
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 11: 46
                  +6
                  Your remark is fair. The former senator of the Russian Federation, Mr. Tarlo, spoke about this, too, that they hoped for prudence of Ukraine and economic ties, that they would not break ties to their own detriment. But they did not take into account the degree of moronity of the ukroelites and that propaganda could be stronger than the economy.
                  But still, I would not blame all the blame only on the Russian authorities.
                2. Lganhi
                  Lganhi 18 August 2017 00: 27
                  +2
                  Again Russia is to blame? And it was not necessary to jump and burn people! It’s necessary to work, and not to sing and wear embroidered shirts!
                  1. Roma 1977
                    Roma 1977 18 August 2017 18: 41
                    0
                    Zurabov had to work. And in Belarus - to Surikov. But they were engaged (and Surikov is now engaged) exclusively in personal affairs. There is no clear political line regarding Ukraine and Belarus. All politics comes down to a belated response to crises that have already occurred. And no tendency to change it is not visible.
                3. Sinbad
                  Sinbad 19 August 2017 13: 54
                  0
                  "Russia for 23 years was absolutely not engaged in ideological and political .... What does Russia have to do with it. This rot of anti-Russian sentiments had to be observed even urgent in 81-83. And this despite the fact that he served near Moscow, in the Taman Guards. Ideological work was failed in the USSR.
          2. Catherine II
            Catherine II 17 August 2017 13: 52
            0
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            He is already coming.

            13.22% is currently lost. At the time of the acute phase, much more. Could return 2 / 3 areas (D and L).
            The acute phase has stopped. The decay has stopped. The causes of the collapse are discredited by the creator of the causes.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 15: 36
              +1
              Creator of the reasons, who, let me ask?
              The acute phase really stopped, now sluggish, but what will happen next, God alone knows.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 August 2017 08: 14
      +3
      Elena Gromova in her repertoire. While reading her articles, I sometimes wonder how she will live when things in Ukraine subside? After all, she has such a narrow specialization ... However, I think she is retraining - you can pull out facts about anything.
      I regretted our artists. Like in the "black list" they are listed. In the world there are a lot of obscure and unpleasant laws for us. And if you want to be in whatever country, then they must be respected. In some US states, you cannot shoot a camel from the window of a house or make a nuclear explosion in the city, in North Korea you cannot remove posters with the portrait of a leader from the walls, in Russia it is not recommended to read Hamlet in the center of Moscow. And in order to come to the Crimea without future consequences, you need to fly to Ukraine and cross the cordon through Chongar. And just that! However, then Gromova will be left without work.
      1. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 09: 22
        +14
        Why juggle it? Nobody forbids you to read even Hamlet, even Eugene Onegin, but a small child is alone in the streets, you can’t.
        And no matter what he does, read poetry or dance.
        And from what crossroads am I obliged to go to the Russian Crimea through Ukraine ?.
        Maybe the Kuril Islands, the Russians should travel through Japan?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 17 August 2017 11: 21
          +3
          this is how a child cannot be on the street alone? Do adults accompany all children under 18? Or is it possible for a child to walk alone, but not to stand? Or is it possible to stand, but in silence? Or do you think that if the boy does not read Hamlet, but Barto, and his mother is standing next to him - is it possible for them? Or not? The same stupidity, as well as going to the Crimea through Kiev.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 11: 52
            +2
            Read carefully. You can not be a child on the street alone without adults, until a certain age.
            I think any normal person is understandable.
            Yes, if the child is with parents, even if Barto, even Byron reads.
            I don’t know maybe there are parents who are first-graders who send some to school, but in my opinion, this is recklessness.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 18 August 2017 11: 13
              +1
              I wonder how many parents have the opportunity to take a child from first grade to school, if, of course, the school is in the neighboring building? On the streets of children goes without adults - a lot! In addition, the mother of a boy reading Hamlet was nearby. Immediately they were both accused of begging. They want to cling - they cling! That’s the whole law. And when children are dropped out of transport in winter, it’s not known where - the law is very difficult to apply.
        2. Catherine II
          Catherine II 17 August 2017 13: 55
          +1
          Quote: Tula gingerbread
          And from what crossroads am I obliged to go to the Russian Crimea through Ukraine ?.

          if you are not going to Ukraine, then you can. If in the future you will be through Ukraine, then you can’t.
          The only question is the choice.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 14: 07
            +1
            I do not argue. Although the law of Ukraine does not have a mandatory norm, the application of sanctions for visiting the Crimea is mandatory.
            An individual decision is made for each person.
            So the permission of the Russian singer to participate in Eurovision did not carry a violation of Ukrainian law.
            1. elenagromova
              17 August 2017 14: 44
              0
              If the citizens of Russia consider that it is imperative to impose sanctions for visiting the Crimea, it means that we are still not actively exposing the inhuman and absurd nature of this regime and its clinical Russophobia
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 15: 23
                +1
                Why did you decide that this is what I think? This is Ukrainian law, I’m just talking about its provisions. What are my complaints? Not active enough?
                I think we don’t expose at all. We get off with separate statements.
                1. elenagromova
                  17 August 2017 15: 33
                  +1
                  The fact of the matter is that this "law" is ridiculous. An artist - he is an artist to give his art to ALL. And in this case, it is a policy that should not be at Eurovision.
                  It just seemed to me that you wrote in such a way that sanctions for visiting the Crimea are something normal. And, whether or not to allow Ukraine to participate the Russian singer, this is supposedly equally legitimate, like, has the right. If I misunderstood your thought, then I apologize.
                  1. Tula gingerbread
                    Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 15: 39
                    +2
                    It's okay, maybe I didn’t put it very clearly either
                    . As for the law, it is not just ridiculous, it is exceptionally stupid.
                    And of course violates the rules of Eurovision, in which politics should not be present.
            2. Catherine II
              Catherine II 17 August 2017 18: 53
              0
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              Although the law of Ukraine does not have a mandatory norm, the application of sanctions for visiting Crimea is mandatory

              Nothing like this. Similarly, "Comedy Vumen" - "violated" the law on the Crimea and even congratulated Putin in the cities of Crimea. And nothing. Even the deputies of the Rada came to the performance of the women's show on the main stage of the country (that they passed the law). Shary also noted.
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              So the permission of the Russian singer to participate in Eurovision did not carry a violation of Ukrainian law.

              the law is harsh. However, in our countries it is only for the people. And here in general the policy ....
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 17 August 2017 10: 50
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Elena Gromova in her repertoire. While reading her articles, I sometimes wonder how she will live when things in Ukraine subside? After all, she has such a narrow specialization ... However, I think she is retraining - you can pull out facts about anything.
        Syria, no less favorite topic, and there it looks like "music will be eternal"
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 17 August 2017 12: 06
          +2
          Why worry about Elena? You, apparently, are not in courses? Everything is fine with her !!!!!! There were articles about the life of people in Donetsk, about what she saw herself. What is wrong?
    4. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 17 August 2017 12: 07
      +4
      Quote: Ken71
      What is the article about?

      Do not you understand? About us, dear about us! This is not an analysis - a simple statement of facts. The person became painful. So I spoke. If you're so smart, cook up something. It might turn out better. And if you do not know how - read and gain experience. Health to you all.
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 17 August 2017 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: AleksUkr
        This is not an analysis - a simple statement of facts. The person became painful. So I spoke

        Elena herself has no complaints, for all the analytics about Ukraine are all like that. Well, they can’t analyze about Ukraine in the Russian Federation. It all comes down to primitive, to the insinuations of the former. Ukrainians in the Russian Federation (Ishchenko and others) playing on patriotism and hatred, and also on the public.
        Eventually Analytics sectionare emotions, phantom pains, sayings and screams ... Comments are appropriate.
        The section is suffering.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 14: 14
          +2
          It’s clear that you need to listen to Kovtun’s Glory, since he has an intellectual level at an unattainable height, not like the VO forum here. Continuous phantom pains, screams ... well, and the comments are appropriate.
          Where do we go to Glory and Olesya Yakhno, that's who the light of reason is.
          1. Catherine II
            Catherine II 17 August 2017 18: 56
            0
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            You need to listen to the glory of Kovtun

            is it worth listening to "Ukrainians at work"? The channel pays them money for acting.
            This is the same Ishchenko, but a more consumer option. This is such an image of the country. They pay to create an image ... Listening to this is not serious.
            Especially the meaning of all the shows? Passion of the face .. House 2 only international?
            No, already ... even Ishchenko is better ... although he is more professional in serving the new owners. Although it works quieter ... and the image does not spoil.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo 18 August 2017 10: 07
      +1
      On the opening of a monument of virtual guides at the Banderish.
  2. Lganhi
    Lganhi 17 August 2017 06: 47
    +4
    Naturally, all the news about Ukraine is entirely negative. What good is going on there, huh? There are only thieves, killers and Nazis in power. By the way, Ukrainians themselves chose them, having given their 55% of the vote for Poroshenko.
    As it turned out, the problem does not concern Rev himself - some German could be envious of his income: in July alone, he received over one hundred thousand hryvnias.

    These are some miserable 200 thousand, less than three thousand euros. The average German has a salary much higher than three thousand euros.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 17 August 2017 07: 14
      +3
      55% of what? belay But what if the Republic of Crimea and two regions did not participate in the vote? In fact, there were significantly more ballots than there were voters. So, these 55% are drawn by the election commission and have little to do with reality.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 August 2017 07: 27
        +3
        Since when did Crimea and Donbass become Ukraine?
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 09: 46
          +3
          Quote: Lgankhi
          Since when did Crimea and Donbass become Ukraine?

          Perhaps he meant that Ukraine considers these territories to be its own (By the way, from the Donbass it is really possible to make a Trojan horse for Ukraine), which means that the elections will be invalid even EVEN UNDER UKRAINIAN legislation
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 10: 50
            +7
            They are initially invalid. Let's start with the one who appointed them.
            First, Yanukovych, no matter what he is, I do not want to evaluate his personal qualities, but he was removed from power illegally, according to Ukrainian laws ..
            Therefore Turchinov acting President was appointed illegally.
            And then the chain of lawlessness went to unwind completely. Elections of a new president were illegally appointed, an illegally elected president, appointed illegal new elections of the Rada, illegally elected Rada, appointed an illegal chairman of the government, illegal acting President Turchinov illegally declared ATO in the Donbass.
            In general, everything that is happening in Ukraine from the point of view of the law and international norms is legal.
            All the legitimacy of the Ukrainian authorities rests only on the recognition of the United States and its vassals.
            Imagine that the Americans are tired of the Ukrainian authorities and any American lawyer will immediately prove that the power in Ukraine is illegitimate and illegal.
            In general, Peter Lyaksech cannot be envied on what a powerful hook he is suspended.
            1. Kadimich
              Kadimich 17 August 2017 11: 19
              0
              Speak less about "Ukrainian illegality," referring to ILLEGAL regicide and ILLEGAL palace coups in Russia over the past centuries (including October 1917) - the authorities taught the people to disrespect and NOT comply with their own laws, not to mention international law !!
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 11: 55
                +4
                I do not need your “valuable” instructions on what to say and what not to say.
                We are discussing a specific case and a specific time, not what happened in the 18th century.
              2. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 12: 03
                +4
                You apparently forgot that during the events you listed, Ukraine was part of Russia and to separate Russia and Ukraine at that time is illiterate.
                Well, if you want to talk about illegality in our times, then this is the 1991th year, where the same Ukraine was not on the sidelines and the 1993th year, when Yeltsin shot the parliament.
                But we consider these events to be illegal, in contrast to Ukraine, where they scream about the legality of the current government.
                And finally, to me your "valuable" instructions on what to talk about and what not to talk about, unnecessarily. Keep them with you.
      2. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 09: 49
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        55% of what? belay But what if the Republic of Crimea and two regions did not participate in the vote? In fact, there were significantly more ballots than there were voters. So, these 55% are drawn by the election commission and have little to do with reality.

        Do not hang noodles on people’s ears. Then, for days on end, they’ve been "living in a new way", so it could turn out to be 54%, especially since now Poroshenko is the second most popular politician
        The presence of Donbass could lower this bar to 45%, but in the second round he would have won anyway
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 17 August 2017 20: 45
          0
          You do not listen to their own deputies. And better poyuzite articles and speeches of Tatiana Montyan. Oh, she will tell you about this election. laughing
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 18 August 2017 23: 35
            0
            Quote: siberalt
            You do not listen to their own deputies. And better poyuzite articles and speeches of Tatiana Montyan. Oh, she will tell you about this election. laughing

            And Tatyana Montyan is WHO ALL? Maybe it’s a deputy or the mayor? You should have referred to authoritative sources (not lower than the current deputy / mayor / oligarch), and not to “normal / backfired Ukrainians” from the Solovyov TV show
    2. CentDo
      CentDo 17 August 2017 09: 19
      +2
      The average salary in Germany in 2017 was about 3,5 thousand euros (in any case, I met such a figure). This is before taxes, and there are a lot of taxes. If my memory is not lost, then only about 25-30% is subtracted. So there will be two thousand and a half.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 August 2017 09: 24
        0
        Well, I don’t know, talked with colleagues in Germany, he is an air traffic controller, earns 7000 euros. This is 3 times my salary, although we have the same positions.
        1. CentDo
          CentDo 17 August 2017 10: 23
          +1
          Well, an air traffic controller is not an indicator, it’s a really high-paying profession.
          Agree that a salary of more than two thousand euros is much higher than the salary of an average Russian. Here, one thousand is considered quite a good salary.
          1. Lganhi
            Lganhi 17 August 2017 10: 52
            0
            My salary is only 160 thousand, while friends and acquaintances who work in Moscow itself have salaries of 200-300 thousand.
            1. CentDo
              CentDo 17 August 2017 11: 00
              +3
              Do not tell me where they work?) Recently I delved into the labor market, such salaries are usually from different directors. In Moscow, the average salary is 65 thousand
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 August 2017 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: CentDo
        The average salary in Germany in 2017 was about 3,5 thousand euros (in any case, I met such a figure). This is before taxes, and there are a lot of taxes. If my memory is not lost, then only about 25-30% is subtracted. So there will be two thousand and a half.

        Quote: Lgankhi
        Well, I don’t know, talked with colleagues in Germany, he is an air traffic controller, earns 7000 euros. This is 3 times my salary, although we have the same positions.

        Yes, do not be trifled - let’s compare the salaries, in addition to those mentioned, in Norway and Saudi Arabia ....
        1. CentDo
          CentDo 17 August 2017 10: 25
          0
          And what the hell, I'm afraid to ask? Norway and CA somewhere in the article mentioned?
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 August 2017 10: 32
            +2
            Quote: CentDo
            And what the hell, I'm afraid to ask? Norway and CA somewhere in the article mentioned?

            Where in general did the article talk about salaries?
            1. CentDo
              CentDo 17 August 2017 10: 44
              0
              Reread the article and immediately find
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 17 August 2017 10: 45
                +2
                Advice, that's just, no need to give .....
                1. CentDo
                  CentDo 17 August 2017 11: 03
                  0
                  I don’t give you any advice. If you read the article diagonally, then this is your problem, but why then get into the conversation with silly questions?
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 17 August 2017 11: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: CentDo
                    but why then get into the conversation with stupid questions?

                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Advice, that's just, no need to give .....
                    1. Catherine II
                      Catherine II 17 August 2017 14: 04
                      0
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Advice, that's just, no need to give .....

                      Namely, the prices of products. As it turned out, the problem does not concern Rev himself - some German could be envious of his income: in July alone, he received over one hundred thousand hryvnias.

                      that’s what the whole conversation was about. About the "envy of any German" minister’s salary. Not the ratio, nor the price difference - namely, the German to the minister’s salary. Elena simply used the manipulation of numbers — without thinking of converting the RFP to the euro and comparing it with “some kind of German” ...
        2. dmitry.kashkaryow
          dmitry.kashkaryow 17 August 2017 12: 59
          +1
          It is pointless to compare the absolute value of salaries if the compared salaries are in different countries. We must compare the purchasing power of salaries! Example: the US military budget - $ 600 billion, and Russia - 60, but any military equipment is 10 times cheaper. That’s parity. If you are in the supermarket you can buy the same number of products for 1000 euros and 70 thousand rubles. (at the rate) then with salaries of 2000 thousand euros and 140 thousand rubles. you live the same way, but still better than a European, taking into account the wild prices for communal housing and transport in Europe.
    3. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 17 August 2017 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Lgankhi
      Ukrainians themselves have chosen, giving their 55% of the vote for Poroshenko.

      Specify more precisely - 55 of the number of arrivals to vote. So for the main future convict voted much less ...
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 17 August 2017 07: 17
    +5
    The comedy is that the svidomye can’t even steal, so as not to get caught, forgot how, the tunnel: the picture on the memorial to the heroes was stolen from the screen saver of the game Diablo III, for which they were already laughed at by everyone. Fancy zero, but the show off mass.
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 34
      +5
      This is a clinic. They also pioneered an owl with a sword. Which country are such and monuments.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 17 August 2017 08: 15
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      The comedy is that the svidomye can’t even steal, so as not to get caught, forgot how, the tunnel: the picture on the memorial to the heroes was stolen from the screen saver of the game Diablo III, for which they were already laughed at by everyone. Fancy zero, but the show off mass.

      Surprised by such immediacy, or stupidity? And the impression that everyone doesn’t dry up, like from a hangover, he raised his head, poked a finger ---- like that! Subordinates performed. Or what more seriously use? And fse!
  4. ImPerts
    ImPerts 17 August 2017 07: 26
    +11
    It’s cruel, of course, but can it be let in by the obligatory singing of the anthem of Russia on video, but let out through the Crimea?
    Why not expand the base of the site "Peacemaker"?
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 07: 38
      +2
      This is your creative development of Georgian ideas about loyalty.
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 09: 51
        +4
        Quote: Ken71
        This is your creative development of Georgian ideas about loyalty.

        But with the SBU saboteurs can be fought by the forces themselves stubborn
    2. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 17 August 2017 09: 25
      +6
      Why not? And let them give a subscription that Bandera and Shukhevych are criminals and Nazi henchmen.
  5. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 17 August 2017 07: 43
    +5
    Another "masterpiece" from the series "sho there at the Ukrainians." How did they pull up this topic with writing the same thing 40 times .... "Military Review"? Maybe it's time to rename the resource to "Antimaydan"? I'm sick of this nonsense already.
    1. Lganhi
      Lganhi 17 August 2017 08: 58
      +6
      In fact, this country has a common border with us, and 10 million Russians live on it, so we are simply obliged to ask what is happening there.
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 17 August 2017 14: 07
        0
        Quote: Lgankhi
        us common border

        the largest in Europe.
        Quote: Lgankhi
        so you just have to be interested in what is going on there.

        attention to shortcomings and problems is somehow strange ... Although as an example ... but the constant "bombardment of the Ukrainian negative" .. it will start to vomit ...
        there is very little good or neutral.
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 10: 07
      +3
      Quote: Sergeant71
      Another "masterpiece" from the series "sho there at the Ukrainians." How did they pull up this topic with writing the same thing 40 times .... "Military Review"? Maybe it's time to rename the resource to "Antimaydan"? I'm sick of this nonsense already.

      Until the Russians come to reality from the Soviet matrix and start to perceive the Ukrainians (not Galitsayev, not w / dbandera, not Shyi-Austro-German-Canadian henchmen, namely Ukrainians, grandchildren of people with whom the most Russian grandfathers took the Reichstag) as enemies, which need to be destroyed and set off with other enemies, will be there until then. The main thing is to reduce to a minimum the number of "normal Ukrainians" - such ordinary people who know that "Jews are to blame for everything", and who type Russians are perceived as brothers. This will reduce the effectiveness of Ukrainian disinformation campaigns to propagate defeatism in Russia.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 17 August 2017 11: 54
        0
        I wanted to put + for LANHI, the phone jerked and it turned out the other way around. And no longer fix the minus. Sadness.
      2. Catherine II
        Catherine II 17 August 2017 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        It is Ukrainians, grandchildren of people with whom the grandfathers of these same Russians took the Reichstag) as enemies, which must be destroyed and set off with other enemies

        kill your brother in yourself .. not a bad slogan ... belay
        Are you an hour our nationalist? For very similar reasoning.
        So Makak can all post-Soviet shoot .. poison and destroy ... just because they are not Russians ...
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 18 August 2017 23: 38
          0
          Quote: Catherine II
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          It is Ukrainians, grandchildren of people with whom the grandfathers of these same Russians took the Reichstag) as enemies, which must be destroyed and set off with other enemies

          kill your brother in yourself .. not a bad slogan ... belay
          Are you an hour our nationalist? For very similar reasoning.
          So Makak can all post-Soviet shoot .. poison and destroy ... just because they are not Russians ...

          To put such a question: give up / go into neutrality or you will be destroyed. Necessarily, in a neutral and cold tone, no “Jews have brained your brains”. Do not touch neutrals, help allies, and destroy those who are proud and independent
  6. shark
    shark 17 August 2017 09: 08
    +3
    I introduced myself to another analyst. Increasingly, I hear a vote on GDP, the hryvnia rate is growing ... What does this mean? And this means that someone cleverly manipulates public opinion. Against the background of the internal problems of the Russian Federation, a cleverly forged statistician poisons the brain. In principle, it would not be strange to see on any hipster resource. On that they and garbage .. But on IN .. here people are serious. And there are many such points. Not only here. On the Russian Federation went massive information attack. The goal is to disconnect us. Sow doubt. And then take to the streets. This vile swamp called-the civilized world will not calm down. Either we or they.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 17 August 2017 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: shark
      I introduced myself to another analyst. Increasingly, I hear a vote on GDP, the hryvnia rate is growing ... What does this mean? And this means that someone cleverly manipulates public opinion. Against the background of the internal problems of the Russian Federation, a cleverly forged statistician poisons the brain. In principle, it would not be strange to see on any hipster resource. On that they and garbage .. But on IN .. here people are serious. And there are many such points. Not only here. On the Russian Federation went massive information attack. The goal is to disconnect us. Sow doubt. And then take to the streets. This vile swamp called-the civilized world will not calm down. Either we or they.

      Growth seems to be there, but budgets that are obviously deficient are being laid. And yes, this is deliberately distorted with the goal you specified.
      2018 is expected to repeat the 2008 crisis of the year. In addition, there will be elections in Russia. Obviously, the goal is to prevent Putin's re-election (in fact, for this, a campaign of "revelations" like "he is not Dimon to you" is created, for this purpose various "patriotic" ones are created projects like Udaltsov, which take votes away from the GDP)
    2. Curious
      Curious 17 August 2017 11: 54
      +1
      "But in VO .. people are serious here."
      Especially serious, I would say harsh, the contingent is going to sections News, Opinions, Analytics. And under the articles of such luminaries of international analytics for blondes, as the author of the article, in general, seriousness goes off scale.
    3. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 12: 21
      +2
      What does it have to sow? You can also go to the profile financial websites of Ukraine and find economic data there. And not a word about Russia. If you want to live on monotonous propaganda, then how can you consider yourself serious.
    4. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 17 August 2017 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: shark
      This nasty swamp called civilized world will not calm down. Either we, or they.

      And who told you that either ... or. They have two opinions - one of them, and the second is wrong.
      "I always thought that democracy is the power of the people, but Comrade Roosevelt lucidly explained to me that democracy is the power of the American people." Joseph Stalin.
      Do we need such a democracy? Or maybe it's time to think about getting rid of the power of the American people?
  7. svp67
    svp67 17 August 2017 09: 57
    +9
    But they themselves did not understand what they did. Well, what else can you demand from people with an uncomplicated mind training, who even for such a monument did not find anything better than using a picture from the Diablo III COMPUTER GAME, and specifically the image of Tyrael ...

    So these "idiots", God forgive me, but they couldn’t be called otherwise. WHAT SENSE was put into this monument. This is the “sword in the stone”, he is waiting for his Hero, so that he would get it from there and unite the former country again ...

    Well, wait, he will come and you will not find it enough.
    1. Ilya Markelov
      Ilya Markelov 17 August 2017 11: 52
      +3
      A direct violation of the copyright of the Blizzard company, from whom Ukrainians for some reason stole the poster.
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 12: 22
        +3
        Or maybe they have an advertising contract.
  8. Kadimich
    Kadimich 17 August 2017 11: 12
    +1
    As if only in Ukraine comedy and tragedy? Only for Ukraine does the bell ring? And the Chinese bell for whom it rings ?? ...
  9. Boris Ioselevich
    Boris Ioselevich 17 August 2017 11: 18
    +2
    When there is nothing, much seems superfluous, and, above all, the author herself.
  10. Andrew ))))))
    Andrew )))))) 17 August 2017 11: 21
    +4
    the aspen stake must be driven into the ass by Valtsman and his minions, the Turchinovs, Avakovs, the Egghead and other ghouls.
  11. Vadim Ganeev
    Vadim Ganeev 17 August 2017 11: 21
    +4
    Dear editors, in Russia, such a comedy happens that you can hardly make Dartanyan feel like a Dartanyan on a white horse with the “news” about Ukraine. One intelligent person correctly said, and I completely agree with him, Russia at the moment, by and large, is no different from Ukraine.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 17 August 2017 11: 50
      +3
      The differences are significant. Ask any guest worker from Ukraine.
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 12: 23
        +1
        It very much depends on which side of the border to ask.
  12. Vadim Ganeev
    Vadim Ganeev 17 August 2017 11: 23
    0
    The army will not notice the loss of one soldier. So for now, everyone.
  13. Tanua Maksimova
    Tanua Maksimova 17 August 2017 11: 36
    +4
    YES EVERYTHING is normal in Ukraine. Enough to suck what is there and how. They live for themselves and do not ask to join Russia. In fact, in our country there are enough of their worries. Let's solve our problems
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 12: 24
      +3
      It is impossible to explain this to Dr. Prokopenko's patients.
  14. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 17 August 2017 11: 54
    +1
    I liked the definition of the essence of the name of the monument. +++
  15. Krasniy_lis
    Krasniy_lis 17 August 2017 12: 45
    +3
    Quote: Ken71
    the banking system is pretty stable.
    Of course stable. There’s nowhere to fall longer. Bottom. Then only a complete collapse. I’m talking like a former employee of a major Ukrainian bank.
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 17 August 2017 12: 59
      0
      If they survived with the privat, then they are not afraid of anything.
  16. Music
    Music 17 August 2017 13: 02
    0
    Well, the Empire from the Great February Revolution still cannot come to its senses. Already more than a hundred years old. Either Great October, then Great August 91st, then Great August 08th ... So that everything goes on ...
  17. elenagromova
    17 August 2017 14: 50
    0
    I have a lot of respect for the articles, in which everything is with numbers, in which detailed forecasts are given (especially if these forecasts come true).
    But, for example, Ukrainian neo-Nazis, it turns out, mocked the death of Vera Glagoleva. Even she got it.
    Which of my critics will give a decent answer?
    The war is a hybrid one that is being fought on all fronts and in all spheres ...
    1. Wisehorn
      Wisehorn 20 August 2017 00: 51
      0
      Who is Vera Glagoleva? What is famous for?
  18. Denis Sergeev
    Denis Sergeev 17 August 2017 15: 07
    +2
    Normal article. Everything is written correctly. Hypocrisy and double standards. The country and people have long been betrayed and sold. The NATO base in Ochakovo is being built. If pind0sy climbed, then soon not an imaginary war with the "aggressor" will be in Ukraine, but the real one, after which Ukraine will cease to exist as a state.
  19. Santor
    Santor 17 August 2017 15: 46
    +1
    Something the author personally has against Gazmanov ... Is this when he looked in the mouth of liberals? He was always ahead, from the 14 of the year under the sanctions of europodoras, the wind-turbofan Shevchuk called him a Kremlin-parquet singer, they say we sing about resistance to putinoids and Gazmanov in the Kremlin speaks ... I have never seen Gazmanov in contrast to Shevchuk at the white-band hangouts .. Shevchuk refused to go to Syria ... didn’t fall asleep, just for ideological reasons I don’t support Putin’s bloody criminal regime .. And Gazmanov went and sang in front of the soldiers and Syrians.

    “I could take part, as in Chechnya, in an exchange of prisoners. Make a concert for the two warring parties, a world concert, gather musicians to stand both Ukrainian and Donetsk, and sing“ Don’t shoot ”for everyone, guys, good, damn it. And exchange prisoners. Here in Chechnya we had such a concert in 1996 year. One tribune - the Chechen dzhigits were sitting, the other tribune - our, Russian troops were sitting, and in the middle there were children. And we sang this concert, for the prisoners, "said Shevchuk - this is his whole essence. He refused to go to Donbass and Syria.

    And with what Gazmanov liberal ??? The article is finally about anything, so take a place.
    1. elenagromova
      17 August 2017 16: 04
      0
      The end of 80-x - the beginning of 90-x ... Song about "Fresh Wind".
      Now has begun to see clearly and plays a positive role. Well done.
  20. P1956P1956
    P1956P1956 17 August 2017 20: 52
    0
    Tired of this Ukraine. In all the media, every day our consciousness is being raped by this Ukraine. Is there really nothing interesting in Russia, what can the people of Russia be told about?
  21. siberalt
    siberalt 17 August 2017 20: 58
    +2
    Quote: Andrew))))))
    the aspen stake must be driven into the ass by Valtsman and his minions, the Turchinovs, Avakovs, the Egghead and other ghouls.


    There are other suggestions. laughing
  22. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 19 August 2017 09: 28
    +1
    that’s what vanity, pride and cunning
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