"NATO-3": what consequences for Moscow and Beijing will the birth of a new geostrategic "pole" the "USA-India" entail?

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While the majority of the informed population of the planet continues with great interest and parallel fear to monitor each news a report coming from the western part of the Asia-Pacific region, where a belligerent skirmish between the Pentagon and the U.S. administration, which they have imagined a lot about themselves, and adequately responding to threats by the DPRK leadership, can, on the other hand, develop into a full-fledged regional conflict using strategic weapons, no less important, from a global point of view, events are coming in South and Southeast Asia. Here, Washington is hastily trying to engage as many “links” in the chain of operational-strategic domination over the entire Indo-Asian-Pacific region. If earlier such states, Japan, Australia, South Korea and Taiwan were considered these “links”, today Vietnam and India are beginning to play a far from secondary role in this list. The leadership of the first strives with all its might to maintain control over its sectors of the island archipelago of Spratly and the Paracel Islands, located within the strategically important "9-dotted line" for Beijing, and the White House successfully uses Hanoi's regional ambitions to implement its operational-strategic plan for wedging ship drums Pacific factions fleet US to the near defensive line of the Chinese zone "A2 / AD".



Not only is there a systematic violation of the territorial waters of the People’s Republic of China in the area of ​​the above archipelagoes by American Aegis destroyers of the Arleigh Burke class URO (their radar AN / SPY-1D (V) and DER sensors in the AN / SLQ-32 complexes allow you to get mass valuable information on the radar profiles of the new J-16, J-10B, etc.), the military leadership of Vietnam in the person of Ngon Suan Lity also gave the go-ahead to call at one of the Vietnamese ports of the American nuclear aircraft carrier next year. This event will lead to a final aggravation of relations undermined between Beijing and Hanoi. Recall that in order to drag Vietnam into an “anti-Chinese game”, it was announced in 2016 that the United States lifted the arms embargo, which quickly turned the corrupt government of the country into the Indochina “bedding” of Washington. Similar geopolitical metamorphoses are observed around India, but this is a completely different stage of the “Big Game”, the stakes on which are hundreds of times higher than in the case of small Vietnam.

The most significant recent event was the establishment of the so-called American-Indian Strategic Partnership Forum (USISPF), which, according to PRNewswire, is a non-profit corporation to accelerate the pace of interaction between states in the most knowledge-intensive and strategically important sectors of the economy, including the defense sector. The first beginnings of such a “partnership” began in 2004, when the details of the joint statement of the then US President George W. Bush and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after the meeting in New York became known. The main point of the statement was also the strengthening of military-technical cooperation. But then neither Washington nor Delhi considered a new level of partnership under the prism of countering the regional ambitions of the Middle Kingdom, because a year earlier, during the visit of Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari to the Chinese capital and negotiations with Premier of the PRC Wen Jiabao, a new stage of development was announced Sino-Indian relations, built not on the same bellicose rhetoric, but on the construct. Meanwhile, over the next 14 years that have passed since the meeting of the Indian and Chinese prime ministers, a lot has changed dramatically.

First, in recent years, the Malabar bilateral Indian-American naval exercises (starting with 1992, they were conducted only by the Indian Navy) acquired a pronounced anti-Chinese character: Japan, Australia and Singapore Naval Forces were involved in them. Moreover, the long-standing Indian-Chinese territorial dispute about the ownership of the state of Arunachal Pradesh, as well as about the ownership of certain sections of the Indian-Chinese and Chinese-Bhutan high-mountain border near the Doka-La pass, located in the vicinity of the Indian state of Sikkim, periodically made itself felt. In the last days of June, 2017, a number of armed provocations took place here, during which the border troops of the PR of the People's Republic of China and India built defensive orders against each other, while Beijing threatened to escalate with large-scale escalation. Despite the fact that the Doca-La plateau is not directly related to the state of Sikkim and comes into contact with Bhutan, Delhi keeps this sector in the category of strategically important. Plays a role and the fact that Bhutan is the main ally of India. Of great importance is the fact that the pass is located in the immediate vicinity of the 23-kilometer tactical "corridor" in the area of ​​the city of Goshpeker. It provides direct transportation between the mainland of India and the northeastern states of Meghalaya, Tripura, Manipur, Nagaland and Assam. The reason for the armed provocations was only the fact that the Chinese builders began to build a highway near the Doc-La plateau and at the same time violated the Sino-Indian border.

Such statements are like another marasmic history from Indian hotheads, regularly “heated” directly from Washington. If you carefully read the map of Bhutan, you can clearly see that the Doka-La plateau is located in 22 km from the Sino-Indian border, and the builders from the Middle Kingdom a priori could not break the border line. At the same time, Delhi preferred to further escalate the situation, pulling the Indian military contingent of several thousand troops to the plateau. Beijing responded asymmetrically. And what is most interesting, just a few days before the local escalation incident near Doc-La, the United States magazine The Strategist published a short analytical note in which, without weighty evidence, it is stated that the units of the People’s Liberation Army of China penetrate on a daily basis Indian territory and occupy its every square meter. It also indicates that over the past 10 years, India has lost around 2000 square. km of its territory. At the end of the article sounds a kind of guide to action for the command of the Indian Armed Forces, according to which Delhi is time to "show your own teeth." All the above confirms our assumptions about external sources of destabilization of the situation on the Indian-Chinese border.

The leadership of the Celestial Empire has long made it clear that it is not going to close its eyes to fomenting “destabilization centers” near its own border, fueled by powerful Western economies, and focused on supporting the defensive and strike potentials of the Pakistan armed forces. Islamabad also enlisted Chinese support for a territorial dispute over the state of Jammu and Kashmir (this conflict has been smoldering for 70 years). The most significant event in recent months was the sale of 9 to Pakistan by the HQ-16 “Red Flag” anti-aircraft missile systems, which are capable of withstanding the numerous air attacks of the Indian Air Force. An important technological aspect of the complex is the use of the TY-80 missile defense system, which, even in its standard version, is characterized by the presence of a gas-jet control system, represented by heat-resistant rotary planes in the nozzle solid propellant rocket motor. Due to this, at the time of the engine operation (in the upper part of the trajectory), the rocket is able to realize overloads of more than 35 units. This suggests that the HQ-9 divisions are quite capable of intercepting even modern tactical versions of the BrahMos family of anti-ship missiles in 20 - 40% of cases. The interceptor missiles of the HQ-16A complex have a range of up to 45 km and a target height in the 18000 m; at distances 15 - 20 km ballistic objects can be destroyed.

Moreover, when faced with HQ-16A complexes, the existing tactical aviation Indian Air Force will not have noticeable advantages in terms of electronic countermeasures, because the basis of the complexes are noise-protected multi-function radars with a passive phased array antenna with an instrumental range of about 85 km. MRLS has a great structural similarity to the 30N6E type illumination and guidance radar (on-board radar), but has less bandwidth (6 targets in the “track / SNP” mode and 4 targets in the “accurate auto tracking / capture” mode). Beijing’s no less serious step in support of Pakistan’s defense strategy is participation in the joint production and modernization line of the JF-17 Thunder fighter tactical fighter aircraft block I / II / III. At the moment, these magnificent 4 + / ++ transition generation vehicles are on the same technological level as the most advanced creation of Indian engineering (with French roots) - the Tejas Mk I / III multi-purpose tactical fighters. In the foreseeable future, modifications to the JF-17 Block II / III may be ahead of the Indian Tejas in such decisive parameters as EPR, the performance and range of the airborne radar, as well as the range of guided air combat missiles.

In particular, the “stela” variant JF-17 Block III can get a radically different airframe design with expanded use of composite materials, longitudinal ribs in the forward fuselage, a rectangular section of air intakes and 35-degree vertical tail tail collapse; the calculated EPR of this design can be no more than 0,6 - 0,7 м2 (without arms on hangers). As for the standard modifications of Block II / III, here the radar signature will remain at the same level of 1,5 - 2 м2, but the onboard defense complex and the radar complex will be upgraded; they also plan to install combined optical-electronic sighting systems on the machines that have similarities with our OLS-UEM (detection and capture of a VC in TV / IR channels of sight).

As for the new airborne radar, promising Chinese radars with active KLJ-7A phased array claim for their role, the range of operation, noise immunity and the list of operating modes are approximately between FGA-29 and AN / APG-63 (V) 3. In the case of the Pakistani Air Force's transmission of Chinese long-range air combat missiles PL-12D / 15 / 21D with integral rocket-ramjet engines (range around 200 - 250 km and acceleration at the final leg of the flight), even the numerical superiority of the fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force will not allow Delhi to fly fast and unconditional victory over Islamabad. The best missile armament for ultra-long air combat, which is at the disposal of Indian pilots, is ASTR, MICA-IR / EM, R-27EP and RVV-AE. Their effective range barely reaches 90 - 120 km, and their speed parameters in the near-flight section of the trajectory rarely allow them to intercept an actively maneuvering enemy fighter, which cannot be said of the “long-range” air-to-air missiles.

We now turn to the July naval teachings "Malabar-2017". Unlike this series of exercises conducted in previous years, 17’s “Malabar” was noted with very important operational and strategic subtleties, which can only be interpreted as a demonstration of strength in front of Beijing. Firstly, in the above-water component of the US Navy, India and Japan, participating in the maneuvers were seen immediately 3 aircraft carriers - American nuclear aircraft carrier CVN-68 USS «Nimitz», Indian boiler and turbine aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" and Japanese gas turbine destroyer-helicopter carrier "Izumo ". Secondly, the Indian version of the long-range anti-submarine aircraft P-8I "Neptune" of the Indian Navy, accompanied by two deck-based multipurpose MiG-29KUB fighter jets and two training aircraft Hawk Mk.132, "lit up" at the exercises in all its glory. Third, all this gigantic naval formation did not go anywhere, but to the eastern part of the Bay of Bengal, where the strategically important Malacca Strait begins. And it is extremely difficult to overestimate this importance, because it is through this strait that the Southern Sea Route passes, through which oil tankers from the Persian Gulf head for the Indo-Asia-Pacific region with valuable cargo of “black gold” on board. The version with obstruction of maritime transport between Southeast Asia and the Indian Ocean is the official protest note of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which responds to the recent naval exercises "Malabar-2017", while in reality the problem has a much more serious and unpleasant for Beijing, the background, which must be considered exclusively from a strategic point of view.


Indian anti-aircraft P-8I "Neptune" long-range anti-submarine aircraft at the Malabar-2017 exercises


For example, in the event of an escalation of a major regional conflict with the participation of China and India, Delhi will undoubtedly receive broad-spectrum military support from the United States, Australia, Japan, and other pro-Western henchmen in the IATR. With 100% probability, it can be argued that, in addition to the Strait of Malacca, the Sunda Strait (between Sumatra and Java), as well as many small straits in the southern island chain of Indonesia will be closed. In fact, a long ocean zone “A2 / AD” (4500 km) will be formed, the southern tip of which will be located near the west coast of Australia, and the northern one in the area of ​​the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. An interesting question may follow: is the strategy of building such a huge “A2 / AD barrier” in this sector of the Indian Ocean not utopian? Absolutely not. For proper control of all the above-mentioned straits for the passage of Chinese multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 093 Shan, and submarines of the same project upgraded to the B / G level, the 4-x destroyers of the Arley Burk-class URO and the pair of destroyers Hobart Class (AWD) - by the Royal Australian Navy. As an air component of anti-submarine defense, just a couple of long-range patrol aircraft of the P-8A / I type will suffice. The Australian Poseidon will monitor the southern submarine sectors of the A2 / AD zone (off the west coast of the islands of Java and Sumatra), while the Indian Netun will monitor the underwater conditions in the vicinity of the Bay of Bengal.

Nevertheless, there is such an option for the development of the operational-strategic situation, in accordance with which the shipboard attack group of the “anti-Chinese coalition” will have to leave the Andaman and Nicobar Islands area, moving closer to the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, since the PLA has a unique ballistic anti-ship to date medium-range rocket DF-21D, which has a range of 1800 - 2000 km and reaches the eastern part of the Bay of Bengal without any problems (when launched from Yunnan province). Even the classic American AUG with two "Ticonderogs" and three "Arles Burke" will not cope with a massive anti-ship strike from 40 - 50 BPKR DF-21D. However, shifting the northern “petals” of the “A2 / AD” zone towards India will secure the coalition ships, but control will no longer require the destroyer 2 - 3, but more 8, since the potentially dangerous direction will be represented no longer by a small Malacca Strait, and the whole Bay of Bengal.


PGRK with medium-range anti-ship ballistic missile DF-21D


In this scenario, multipurpose nuclear submarine cruisers and surface ships of the PRC Navy may remain blocked within the South China and Yavan Seas, which will not allow supporting the naval infrastructure on the new naval base in Djibouti, which will lead to the inevitable loss of the most important strategic object in the Gulf of Aden . To avoid such a result, China should focus as much as possible on the development and launch of mass production of promising low-profile medium-range H-20 bombers, as well as anti-ship ultra-long-range missiles, which can hit the enemy carrier strike order long before the enemy F / A fighter planes hit the lines of action. -18E / F and F-35C.

The latest troubling news was the recent statement by the commander of the Pacific Command of the US Armed Forces, Harry Harris, who pointed to the "fantastic possibilities and global significance of military cooperation" between Washington and Delhi in the 21st century. All this happens at a time when the Indian HAL is "rubbing its hands" in anticipation of an additional package of unique technologies from Sukhoi under the FGFA project, and the Indian army is getting into service the S-400 Triumph air defense systems ... It's time to stop distributing domestic technologies to the right and to the left ..

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=17900
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2719454.html
http://www.rbc.ru/politics/09/08/2017/598857c79a794778be609b0b?from=center_5
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  1. +9
    18 August 2017 07: 21
    England "" left "" from India, leaving a conflicting situation. The states create a conflict and want to come to stay forever and cash in foreign territory !!!! How many countries have already suffered from this !!!!!! As for our country, they also have big plans !!!!!
    1. 0
      18 August 2017 11: 26
      And what, besides Moscow and Beijing, in Russia and China, other cities will not bomb? belay
      1. +9
        18 August 2017 11: 44
        Quote: siberalt
        And what, besides Moscow and Beijing, in Russia and China, other cities will not bomb? belay

        Will be! And most likely before Moscow! Industrial centers of the Urals and Siberia! Since Moscow is just the capital and a well-fortified outpost with deeply echeloned defense! And leave your head without a body, it will be dead !! hi
      2. +1
        18 August 2017 12: 27
        They are tormented to bomb Moscow and Beijing !!!
        Vietnamese and Indians are unlikely to be friends with the Americans !!!
        1. 0
          18 August 2017 14: 09
          Quote: Alegar
          They are tormented to bomb Moscow and Beijing !!!
          Vietnamese and Indians are unlikely to be friends with the Americans !!!

          No, they will be friends with China.
          1. +1
            18 August 2017 18: 32
            Quote: SkepticCynic
            Quote: Alegar
            They are tormented to bomb Moscow and Beijing !!!
            Vietnamese and Indians are unlikely to be friends with the Americans !!!

            No, they will be friends with China.

            We want it so much, but .... The printing press works uncontrollably among the Americans and they will buy everyone and everything for these green wrappers. We have been observing this for so many years. Therefore, they so unceremoniously climb everywhere.
  2. +9
    18 August 2017 07: 38
    As I understood from the article, it is necessary to end the “Hindi-Russia phai, phai” because the Indians have a new foreign policy tendency “Jimmy, Jimmy, acha-acha”. And Washington is striving to take the former place of Great Britain by including India in its military partnership to counter China.
    1. +9
      18 August 2017 09: 14
      Quote: Altona
      As I understood from the article, it is necessary to end the “Hindi-Russia phai, phai” because the Indians have a new foreign policy tendency “Jimmy, Jimmy, acha-acha”. And Washington is striving to take the former place of Great Britain by including India in its military partnership to counter China.

      India has been confronted with the PRC almost since the founding of the countries, and since the occupation of the PLA in October 1950, Tibet in particular. The areas are mountainous, their affiliation is often not established. A classic of the genre - in the late 50s, the Chinese built a road through the Aksai Chin district, which the Indians also considered their own. In a couple of years laughing Indians found this fact that, given the granting of political asylum to the Dalai Lama, served as the basis for the border conflict, which is called the Sino-Indian border war of 1962. And such border conflicts take place on an ongoing basis, and the major ones were back in 1967 and 1987. Recently, India and China have had enough excerpts to minimize conflicts, but it is in the interests of the United States to ignite them. But both countries are still interested in cooperation - and it is actively developing. Russia, having good relations with both China and India, may well serve as a kind of mediator for establishing good-neighborly Sino-Indian relations.
      Do not pour water on the mill of American imperialism! bully hi
      1. +6
        18 August 2017 12: 57
        Quote: andj61
        Quote: Altona
        As I understood from the article, it is necessary to end the “Hindi-Russia phai, phai” because the Indians have a new foreign policy tendency “Jimmy, Jimmy, acha-acha”. And Washington is striving to take the former place of Great Britain by including India in its military partnership to counter China.

        India has been confronted with the PRC almost since the founding of the countries, and since the occupation of the PLA in October 1950, Tibet in particular. The areas are mountainous, their affiliation is often not established. A classic of the genre - in the late 50s, the Chinese built a road through the Aksai Chin district, which the Indians also considered their own. In a couple of years laughing Indians found this fact that, given the granting of political asylum to the Dalai Lama, served as the basis for the border conflict, which is called the Sino-Indian border war of 1962. And such border conflicts take place on an ongoing basis, and the major ones were back in 1967 and 1987. Recently, India and China have had enough excerpts to minimize conflicts, but it is in the interests of the United States to ignite them. But both countries are still interested in cooperation - and it is actively developing. Russia, having good relations with both China and India, may well serve as a kind of mediator for establishing good-neighborly Sino-Indian relations.
        Do not pour water on the mill of American imperialism! bully hi

        M-yes!
        India just didn’t cost us to lose our influence ...
    2. +1
      18 August 2017 10: 07
      Indian affair with whom she tango dance!
      But the partner is too much with a tarnished reputation!
      1. +1
        18 August 2017 11: 20
        China 80-90 years what reputation has for us?
    3. avt
      +8
      18 August 2017 10: 10
      Quote: Altona
      As I understood from the article, it is necessary to end the “Hindi-Russians phai, phai” because the Indians have a new foreign policy trend “Jimmy, Jimmy, acha-acha”.

      I didn’t read further than the title negative The author generally signed it to FULL not knowing the topic of the relationship of the Indians with the outside World. If he had strained and simply stupidly studied the gistoria of the last century and that then there was a club of “non-aligned states”, he would not have bothered with what he had no idea. But the fact that the US will try to sell weapons to the Indians and pit them against China is not necessary to be, a polite analytic ".USy they like pronig Churchill said - ,, Americans will always make the right decision after they try all the others."
      1. +3
        18 August 2017 12: 53
        Quote: avt
        In general, I didn’t read further than the title. The author generally signed it with FULL not knowledge

        You can read the beginning and end. The last paragraph puts in its place. No need to be friends with the Indians and trade, that’s the whole conclusion for which the text was written? Hindus are trying to acquire technology from everyone when buying technology, this is not a secret. Exactly the same thing happened with the Rafals. This is normal, the issue of bargaining ..
        1. +6
          22 August 2017 16: 19
          the last paragraph should not be here, but drive into the heads of the huckster from the government!
      2. +4
        19 August 2017 00: 48
        Seven World Mistakes

        1. Wealth without labor

        2. Pleasure without conscience

        3. Knowledge without character


        4. Commerce without morality

        5. Science without humanity

        6. Worship without sacrifice

        7. Policy without principles

        Mahatma Gandhi
        The victory achieved by violence is equivalent to defeat, for it is short-term.

        Mahatma Gandhi
    4. +1
      18 August 2017 14: 44
      The author has some one-sided pro-Chinese view of the problem. He accidentally does not work as a freelancer in Xinhua. Here are some of the pearls:
      The reason for the armed provocations was only the fact that the Chinese builders began to build a highway near the Doka-La plateau and simultaneously violated the Sino-Indian border

      Well, yes, they just violated the border, and the Indians became alarmed.
      Not only is there a systematic violation of the territorial waters of the PRC in the region of the above archipelagos by American Aegis destroyers 

      Since when have the surrounding areas around China-built artificial islands been considered Chinese territorial waters?

      And in general, those who think that China is our ally are deeply mistaken. Now there is the US world dominant with its satellites, there is an ever-growing China, and there is a loser, but craving revenge, Russia. China is not with us against the United States. Rather, it is in his interests to push us with the Americans in order to remain on the sidelines.
      China is already behaving completely boorishly in Southeast Asia. So much so that even Vietnam is ready to run to their enemies the Americans, considering them a lesser evil. If not for our nuclear weapons, China would have been down to the Ural Mountains.
      You need to cooperate with China, but you won’t be friends with this tiger, you will relax a bit and it will chop off your head in an instant.
      1. +2
        18 August 2017 15: 13
        14.44. Nikolay K! So we are with the Chinese and so cooperate! And China has already occupied all of Russia with its goods! And here we are trying to build from ourselves the resistance of Chinese politics! We have stuck our head in the jaws of the dragon for a long time and are fed by picking out their teeth from it. Are we too relaxed? Nuclear weapons will stop the aggressor! And what will stop the expansion of the dollar, RMB, household goods? Will you bomb factories for the production of computers and hammers? In the 90s, we also had nuclear weapons. But the golden donkey came and everything collapsed. And this golden donkey turned out to be a more effective weapon than all the weapons of the world! So, through such weapons the world is conquered. The last example is the outskirts. Has strongly resisted the dollar?
        1. 0
          20 August 2017 21: 44
          But the golden donkey came and everything collapsed

          This donkey didn’t leave anywhere, but the devastation stopped and normal recovery is underway. This is probably because “We put our heads in the mouth of the dragon for a long time and feed on picking their teeth from it.”? The ruble-yuan settlement hinders the expansion of the dollar.
          What kind of tantrum?
    5. +6
      22 August 2017 16: 04
      but it couldn’t be otherwise, these are the shifters who themselves are comfortable at the moment and get excited, so our sovereign was right, only his own army and navy (well, what else does technology allow today), on some Allies reckon rotten business, and so on around the perimeter of some sort of fuss.
  3. +2
    18 August 2017 08: 02
    Washington in a hurry trying to engage as many "links"

    When finally they will tear themselves up trying to grasp the immense.
    which quickly turned the corrupt leadership of the country (Vietnam) into the Indochinese “litter” of Washington

    Indeed, the very strange behavior of Vietnam suggests this idea. Like a dog, which the owner first clotted in the blood, and then stroked, wagged its tail, twisted and tried to look into the eyes of the owner.
    1. +7
      18 August 2017 09: 37
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Indeed, the very strange behavior of Vietnam suggests this idea. Like a dog, which the owner first clotted in the blood, and then stroked, wagged its tail, twisted and tried to look into the eyes of the owner.

      Vietnam and China have a very difficult relationship, and in 1979 there was even a border war. China claims to be a bunch of islands that Vietnam actually owns. And now Vietnam is simply using the United States to its advantage: to stand up to China, and even to defend its interests, Vietnam with less than 100 million people alone cannot. Previously, Vietnam supported the USSR, but Russia actually threw it in the 90s. And even later, our relations did not return to the previous level. So it is not surprising that Vietnam defends its interests by all available means, including with the help of the United States. hi
  4. +15
    18 August 2017 08: 10
    Do not scare people with delusions and do not tell experts) Do not read bad newspapers - these are bad sources of primary information if you do not own the topic)

    Russia equally well interacts with all Asian countries, including China. The fact that India and Vietnam, and on the other hand China are jealous of us, is the problem of their childhood illness. Russia definitely will not allow such a development of events. And India is connected with Russia in the military-industrial complex much stronger than the others. With the USA, she has the role of the six set against China and India understands this, but is trying to get buns from the USA, having her own tooth on China, is exactly the same “fair” as the Chinese counterpart to India. And Russia is really above these children's graters and unshakable in this. Impossible no NATO-3 there. Just because of the size of India. India itself will not be castrated to please the United States, and in NATO all castrated, except for the United States, there is one-man management. Who does not understand this - be educated.

    Sober people understand that the future is not in hickeys, but in mutual pragmatic benefit. Well, those who are closer to the sucking practice of "friendship" will be hysterical about the US flirting with India (Russian iksperdy) or about the supply of Indian weapons from Russia (Chinese iksperdy). Not realizing that the future world is a world of common good, and not a childishly selfish gain, friendship “against”, within which Russia is NOT placed.

    Russia will soon completely overcome its dependence on the Chinese element base in electronics and will start behaving much more freely. Then many will understand the true role of Russia in Asia. The role of the peacemaker)
    1. +2
      18 August 2017 08: 32
      Quote: askme
      Russia will completely overcome its dependence on the Chinese element base soon

      Is it real?
      1. +4
        18 August 2017 09: 43
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: askme
        Russia will completely overcome its dependence on the Chinese element base soon

        Is it real?

        Quite! For military electronics, our element base is already being used to a large extent. For example, in Bryansk, the former Kremniy software company was revived, although under a slightly different name - Kremniy El Group CJSC, which produces components for the defense industry. And this is not the only working enterprise in the country in this industry. hi
      2. 0
        18 August 2017 10: 05
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: askme
        Russia will completely overcome its dependence on the Chinese element base soon

        Is it real?

        there were times without dependence, but with a pathological lag.
        Which is better?
        1. +2
          18 August 2017 13: 45
          There was no “pathological” lag in the military-industrial complex when. VPK squeezed out everything necessary from products, otherwise there would be no snowstorm.
          1. 0
            18 August 2017 15: 41
            "element base"! There was always a lag in this topic, it’s possible that you’re just not in the know
            1. 0
              18 August 2017 17: 56
              name specifically weapons and year
              1. 0
                21 August 2017 10: 05
                Quote: Lance
                name specifically weapons and year

                Opus published here a photo of the Granita BCVM. So her percent is made on the American valve matrix.
    2. +2
      18 August 2017 09: 19
      Is there a peacemaker? For 30 years we have been called up for war, and we are stupidly moving out ... In order to become this peacemaker, one must have at least some authority. And how can our country become a peacemaker if even a state. the coup in Ukraine was not prevented? (Everyone knew what he would be, for 10 years before his start there were already warnings from the security forces).
      1. +2
        18 August 2017 13: 51
        when 75% of the people’s minds are turned to the EU (as we did in the 90s), then the introduction of troops would lead to active actions of the forest brothers supported by the country — we don’t need it. Now only 40% of the crop still have hopes for the EU, we are waiting.
  5. +1
    18 August 2017 08: 51
    the Chinese are friends with Pakistan so sho in which case the Indians have something to fear
    1. +1
      18 August 2017 14: 53
      Quote: unignm
      the Chinese are friends with Pakistan so sho in which case the Indians have something to fear

      And before, the United States was friends with Pakistan, so what? The United States will betray anyone for its own interests. Uncle Sam is the chief con artist of the World. And by the way, the biggest debtor. It’s time to poison the parasites.
      1. 0
        19 August 2017 09: 38
        Anglo-Saxons are honest in their own way. Who does not know the phrase that only interests are eternal, unlike allies and opponents?
  6. +6
    18 August 2017 08: 52
    Vietnam’s military leadership, represented by Ngon Suan Litia, also gave the go-ahead to call an American nuclear carrier in one of the Vietnamese ports next year.

    ... how short human memory is ... it's me about the Vietnamese ...
    1. +6
      18 August 2017 09: 22
      The same can be said about the Chinese (Opium Wars) and the Hindus (British invaders), and both of them understand that their role in the "Western World" is the role of corpses, but they are still trying to flirt with the West ...
      1. 0
        19 August 2017 09: 36
        And what did China give to attempts to isolate itself from the West? Just the opium wars are very revealing. Isolation is almost always a losing strategy. No country is asked whether it agrees to participate in global competition. Do not want to - rot and leave the historical scene. Someone will pick up the territory and remnants of the population (very often pathetic remnants).
  7. 0
    18 August 2017 09: 17
    "... and a 35-degree vertical tail plummet"
    I’m looking at the fact that the collapse of the vertical plumage is characterized as a good tool for reducing EPR. Why domestic Sushki and MiG without such a collapse? Su-57 does not count. Specialists, enlighten.
  8. 0
    18 August 2017 09: 38
    Quote: andj61
    India has been confronted with the PRC almost since the founding of the countries, and since the occupation of the PLA in October 1950, Tibet in particular.

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    Yes, this is a well-known fact that they have such long-standing graters on cross-border issues, up to and including armed confrontation and all kinds of notes of protest and the latest Chinese warnings. I mean, technological cooperation with Indians as gypsies is very difficult and unproductive. However, this statement also applies to China.
  9. +5
    18 August 2017 10: 07
    India as a US partner?
    don't tell me my slippers
    amers generally can’t have partners, there can only be assholes .. licks or already enemies
  10. +2
    18 August 2017 10: 52
    Quote: andj61
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Indeed, the very strange behavior of Vietnam suggests this idea. Like a dog, which the owner first clotted in the blood, and then stroked, wagged its tail, twisted and tried to look into the eyes of the owner.

    And now Vietnam is simply using the United States to its advantage: to stand up to China, and even to defend its interests, Vietnam with less than 100 million people alone cannot. Previously, Vietnam supported the USSR, but Russia actually threw it in the 90s. And even later, our relations did not return to the previous level. So it is not surprising that Vietnam defends its interests by all available means, including with the help of the United States. hi
    This United States will use Hotnam in their games as cannon fodder if that. Vietnam has long been not the one that was with Grandpa Ho.
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  12. 0
    18 August 2017 11: 44
    Anglo-Semitic civilizational confrontation is a zero-sum game remaining in the past paradigm. And most truly independent states understand this perfectly, distinguishing between the Old Testament media impacts and the model of harmonious progressive development, already available outside the three-layer usury.
  13. +1
    18 August 2017 11: 45
    It all depends on the politician who runs the country !!!
  14. +3
    18 August 2017 11: 59
    Our guys .. take care of the balance of power .. so that everyone is on an equal footing ...!
  15. +5
    18 August 2017 12: 09
    A bloated U.S. dollar has a military basis, otherwise it will collapse. As soon as the dollar begins to fall, the U.S. begins to bomb.Follow the $ exchange rate and military operations in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. All U.S. policy is intimidating many countries. After the collapse of the USSR, nothing prevented from pursuing and developing such a policy, but Russia rose and stood in the way of such a course of the United States. It is not capable of turning into a new course after 25 years of domination in the world in the near future. War in the DPRK is quite possible, working out a modern way of war , s intimidation of others, mastery of another district on the border with Rossiey.Sanktsii, the war in Syria, the Donbas, whipping up of tensions around Iran, the Baltic states, nothing more than to force Russia to spend significant resources and reserves, ie. to weaken economically. The US (NATO) military potential is sufficient to unleash regional military nuclear-free operations around the entire perimeter of Russia (the Arctic, the Baltic states, the western borders, Ukraine, Georgia, Afghanistan, Korea). On the border with Afghanistan (Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan) from the beginning of 2017, radical Islamists began to accumulate, some groups were seen in several provinces of Uzbekistan. Is that why Nazarbayev, fearing the fate of Milosevic, Gaddafi, Hussein, Najibula, wagged his tail in front of the Americans allowing them to Kas FDI to build its military base. Even if you create a threat, a military conflict in neighboring republics, hundreds of thousands of refugees will pour into Russia. The USA does not dream of destroying Russia without consequences, but to economically cast off and seize neighboring republics is a task that will certainly warm American brains hawks. In the event of a NATO war with Russia, China joins. To distract and weaken China, the United States will provoke and oppose China to India with the entire Pacific bloc of Australia, Japan and other pro-Western henchmen in the IATR. To weaken the United States And why not take advantage of internal political tensions in the United States itself. The United States is on the verge of a civil war. Why cannot there be artificially created color revolutions, Maidan, armed civil conflicts in the United States? Are they saints? You need to talk to them in their own language.
    1. +2
      18 August 2017 15: 26
      12.09/XNUMX. And how to arrange a maidan in the USA? The United States has extrabudgetary funding from the protection of drugs, plus the interests of TNCs, there is still the IMF. Do Americans save their money in Russia? Does Russia control the international financial system? Does Russia control other countries through economic and military alliances? In Russia, the best living conditions? Does the US and the EU want to integrate into Russia and asks for its investments and technologies?
      1. +1
        18 August 2017 21: 27
        It’s already beginning - they are demolishing monuments, riots are going on. Familiar people were in the United States, Americans themselves are worried that they are on the verge of a war. We need to help them in this, and maybe they already help them in this. There are many headless people who want to hold a meeting , make noise, take part in the riots. People who automatically connect, as we have in Bolotnaya, went to the square of thousands, and why they don’t know. The technology has been worked out.
        1. +1
          19 August 2017 09: 31
          It is necessary to solemnly declare that the Russian Federation fully supports the fight against the remnants of the slave system, condemns the recurrence of racism by representatives of the southern states, fully supporting the American government in its just actions to demolish monuments to criminals and separatists. Then everything will be as it should - after all, the American media themselves have created Russia such a halo of the US enemy for free that they have planted an American citizen in the subcortex - you need to do the opposite of what these vile Russians want.
        2. +1
          19 August 2017 15: 20
          Considering how many weapons, sectarian preachers of all stripes and directions are on hand, ethnic criminal groups: Latinos, Irish, Yakuza and triads, goat nostra and the notorious Russian mafia, interethnic friction, imposition of tolerance for homosexuals. Centers of ignition mass. Pour oil - I do not want.
  16. +5
    18 August 2017 12: 53
    Selling military technology to the detriment of their country is a betrayal. It is necessary to calmly, without brandishing fists, restore their industry. Only foolish people believe that the main thing is to create a strong army, and the industry will wait. The army requires constant reinforcement, and without fueling industry with new components, it
    getting old. The main thing is not to threaten anyone. A silent adversary is more afraid. As long as we have something to answer the USA, there is no war
    will be. The army should not have many enemies and global aspirations should be completely driven away. Russia must behave
    worthily.
  17. +3
    18 August 2017 12: 54
    Lost Indians bloody "exploits" of the Anglo-Saxons. As they forgot the help of the Union, which only gave India independence.
  18. +9
    18 August 2017 12: 54
    The article is oversaturated with thoughts and thoughts that are difficult for the reader to understand without a higher political education. Not to mention the logistical problems that are available only to commanders of various branches of the armed forces. The symbolic reassessment of what, it would seem, is not subject to confusion. For example, I was always sure, and so far no one has convinced me that it is China that is encroaching on the territorial integrity of Vietnam, although the author apparently does not agree with me. China seems very attractive to him from the point of view of the interests of Russia, although it does not understand that, if at the moment this is so, then from the perspective of the future, the enemy is more than dangerous. In the end, now there is a situation where the most urgent tasks have to be applied in situations that are changing almost every day, and who will be the third person tomorrow, the players themselves do not know. So looking for advice from the audience, not from the players, is like money in an empty pocket.
    1. 0
      18 August 2017 14: 02
      the islands by and large were not populated by any of the countries, although the latitude of the earth more refers to Vietnam in the aggregate. but in principle for Vietnam they do not play any role, for China a distant frontier.
  19. 0
    18 August 2017 13: 41
    They rub their hands and show Russia backside hobbling around with ampers ?! And we will calmly look at all this and be silent in a rag? Yes, this is not the USSR!
    1. 0
      18 August 2017 22: 31
      And how did the USSR prevent China from "hobbling" with the Americans in the 70s? Tell me!
  20. +1
    18 August 2017 14: 25
    India has no chance if she goes for Washington. Only Pakistan is enough for India. Only the USSR saved it in the past.
    All the same, I think India will not make such a fatal mistake.
  21. +2
    18 August 2017 14: 41
    Indeed, it’s enough to give out technologies to both ours and yours who wave us x @ yami. Only sell weapons a generation minus one from our modern designs.
  22. 0
    18 August 2017 16: 00
    Normal border graters like everyone else and always
  23. 0
    18 August 2017 16: 06
    Quote: ydjin
    Indeed, it’s enough to give out technologies to both ours and yours who wave us x @ yami. Only sell weapons a generation minus one from our modern designs.

    Absolutely correct! I don’t understand why suddenly RUSSIA sells modern weapons, especially military technologies
  24. 0
    18 August 2017 16: 12
    Quote: siberalt
    And what, besides Moscow and Beijing, in Russia and China, other cities will not bomb?

    In Russia, “bombing” Voronezh permanently. wink
  25. 0
    18 August 2017 17: 27
    Quote: Black Sniper
    Absolutely correct! I don’t understand why suddenly RUSSIA sells modern weapons, especially military technologies

    E..a about joint development with co-financing did you hear? And the fact that the level of Indian electronics engineers is orders of magnitude higher than that of many countries such as Germany, France, and by the way the majority of IT engineers in the USA are the same Indians?
  26. +3
    18 August 2017 17: 59
    Quote: Fonmeg
    They rub their hands and show Russia backside hobbling around with ampers ?! And we will calmly look at all this and be silent in a rag? Yes, this is not the USSR!

    Tell us, what did the USSR do in this case? Fat fly or bomb what? The backside they show in the blurred imagination of the author of a custom article.

    If you fold all riveted from above, as the user from Israel correctly noted, an obscure obscure husk that there is no desire to check .....
    Then the leitmotif of the article is this: the Russian leadership, headed by Putin, are dumb, Conclusion - all to the Swamp.

    Then one of the users wrote:
    Quote: seos
    Is there a peacemaker? For 30 years we have been called up for war, and we are stupidly moving out ... In order to become this peacemaker, one must have at least some authority. And how can our country become a peacemaker if even a state. the coup in Ukraine was not prevented? (Everyone knew what he would be, for 10 years before his start there were already warnings from the security forces).


    As I understand it, the author of the post burns in the ass - how can Russia not fight and the soldier’s blood does not pour out massively?
    Russia has long and constantly been working as a UN peacekeeper. He himself participated in a mission in central Africa in Mali, two terms in Kosovo as part of UNMIK. It is the Russian peacekeepers who stand by the UN mandate, and not at the request of Moscow, in Transnistria. They were also identified as UN peacekeepers in the zone of Abkhazian and Ossetian Georgian conflicts. Yes, there were officers from other countries, of the same India, but the main military component under the UN mandate was from Russia. In Mali, the main component was the Foreign Legion of France, and we, as observers, worked with the French.

    The author of the post claims that Russia does not have authority .... Well, yes .... But didn’t they re-read Girkin by chance? It is harmful to read it, brains melt, especially if you know that he is a constant and professional liar.
    .
    The question is - did nafuya prevent a coup in Ukraine? If 90% of the population was for a change of power. And pan Yanukovych was never pro-Russian except in words. It was he and his clique who literally dragged Ukraine into the EU recently, despite Moscow’s objections .... And only after realizing in Vilnius that promises of providing interest-free gratuitous aid for 160 billion euros for a transitional period of ten years turned out to be a simple bait when EU representatives make surprised eyes such as "sho" for the first time we hear, but you sign "- only here Yanyk and Azarov turned on the brake and backed up ... But it was too late.

    Because millions of Ukrainian citizens have already become convinced that as soon as they sign the association, how they instantly build roads, increase pensions, salaries, flow rivers of milk, everyone will become rich, and the West will send its police and prosecutors to do judges and justice in the West .... And when they found out in the morning that the promised freebie would not be - they became furious ......

    I was in Kiev at the end of the 13 year. Here they are bashfully trying to say that they all come in large numbers ... mythical raguls .... P true Kievans are all against Horseradish ... The whole city seems to have gone crazy ... The whole country with a few exceptions ....
    Remember the animated series "Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers"? Here all Ukrainians were instantly in the role of a cartoon hero with eyes popping out of their sockets: CHEESE !!!! CHEESE!!!! Visa-free !!!!! Visa-free !!!!

    All the 25 years of the independent existence of Ukraine, Russia only did that to the detriment of itself it supplied the brothers gas, oil, wrote off debts, endured nationalist tricks from the very beginning, was silent when the Ukrainian military not only pressed our military in 91 and 93, but also captured it by force military towns, beating with rifle butts not only the military and their family members ... During the reign of Kuchma, the case almost came to an armed conflict, when Ukrainian artillery received orders to open fire on Russian ships and civilian the ladies in the area was still Tuzla island.
    During the reign of Kuchma, the Theodosian marines on the target with a laugh pulled on Russian uniforms and drew stars ... The scandal was hushed up. But those who were involved did not forget, remember ...

    And at one fine moment Putin ordered to calculate all the options and made a decision - neher to continue feeding the wolf, let him leave for his forest ... It got to the point that Panov from Ukraine mocked the Russians - they say we get gas and utilities from us at times lower ... But Ukrainian metallurgists, using a lower gas price and hence lower cost, simply dumped Russian producers on the international market.

    That's enough ... Halyava’s over .... Already the appointment of Zurabov as an ambassador clearly gave a sign to the Ukrainian elite - you haven’t dug into us.

    Because of the moaning over the fact that Russia supposedly fucked up I think it was inappropriate .... I didn’t fucked up, but threw off the yoke that I had been carrying all these post-Soviet years. Point.
    1. +5
      18 August 2017 23: 35
      Bravo, for Ukraine to the point. Tired of these exclamations - "overslept." Like foreigners worked, and Moscow was asleep. It seems that the “non-brothers” only did that they rated the “carrots” - from the west it is sweeter and cheaper from Russia.
    2. +1
      19 August 2017 02: 18
      Quote: Santor
      Russia has long and constantly been working as a UN peacekeeper. Sam himself participated in a mission in central Africa in Mali, two terms in Kosovo as part of UNMIK. It is the Russian peacekeepers who stand by the UN mandate, and not at the request of Moscow, in Transnistria. They were also identified as UN peacekeepers in the zone of Abkhazian and Ossetian Georgian conflicts. Yes, there were officers from other countries, of the same India, but the main military component under the UN mandate was from Russia. In Mali, the main component was the Foreign Legion of France, and we, as observers, worked with the French.
      Huge respect for your work!
  27. 0
    18 August 2017 19: 21
    Interesting !!! and the American nuclear carrier will enter the port of Vietnam after the crisis? And how will the Asians behave when they see at least a small slack of the "world policeman"?
  28. +1
    18 August 2017 22: 27
    The union of the USA and India can only be situational. The Yankees are too straightforward, cheeky, straightforward. But in the East it is impossible. India is a capricious girl, and the American macho, once again faced with such dynamic behavior (from the word "dynamo"), will flare up and begin to bend. Well, they do not know how otherwise!
    By the way, the contradictions of India and China are not so insoluble. The border in Tibet and the Himalayas generally does not favor large-scale military operations. And in general: both countries have been neighbors for millennia, and they fought much less frequently than any (or almost any) pair of European states bordering each other.
  29. +1
    19 August 2017 09: 55
    Indeed, what the Anglo-Saxons do best is to unleash wars, pitting nations among themselves, and then preying on the bones of these same peoples, putting everything there that is needed for war and even debt !!! Rarely bloodthirsty people .....
  30. 0
    19 August 2017 11: 14
    The Chinese paid the author or is he trying for free? If Russia caved in to China then the rest are obliged, Vietnam fought the United States for 15 years with China for 2000 years, so who is Vietnam’s enemy? And the Indians themselves will figure it out.
  31. 0
    19 August 2017 13: 01
    Quote: A1845
    India as a US partner?
    don't tell me my slippers
    amers generally can’t have partners, there can only be assholes .. licks or already enemies

    The Americans have BUYERS of weapons. If the Indians are friends with the United States, Russia will lose this promising market! China is already developing, or copying, buying a minimum of samples. Here is such a friendship, Russia will lose foreign exchange earnings. hi
    1. 0
      22 August 2017 18: 27
      How do you imagine that? Will the Americans produce components for Russian weapons that make up 80% of the Indian Armed Forces fleet?
  32. 0
    20 August 2017 00: 52
    Selling the latest technology, especially in the defense field, is a crime.
  33. 0
    20 August 2017 20: 39
    Well, the contour of the future inevitable third world war is taking shape, with the inclusion of India in NATO-3, Pakistan and in the course of the entire Middle East region will enter into a coalition with China. What is the purpose of World War III? World elites controlled by global financial Jewish capital play in favor of the future of new Israel and the construction of a new world order in conditions of a qualitatively new psychological image of a person. The third world war is the selection of a new man. Modern information technologies are capable of not only tracking the way of thinking of a person in our footsteps on the Internet, but also making selections of people who will be loyal or useful to the future new world order, but not all turned into a feast of the Messiah. The Third World War is conceived by the financial and political ethics of the world with one goal, with the goal of total disposal of all unnecessary people. Extra humanity is a big problem for the financial and political elite of the world, after the third world war, which will take place not in the metropolitan areas of the main players, but not in the periphery in areas affected by permanent revolutions and where the territory will be completely cleared of the population. Strategic nuclear weapons will protect the metropolis from the destruction of the military-industrial complex, but the zone where there is no nuclear umbrella will be the scene of a total world massacre of all mankind, except for those who will be given armor from the war.
    1. 0
      22 August 2017 18: 18
      = Well, the contour of the future inevitable third world war is taking shape ... =
      ))) "contour of the third world war" is the entire planet Earth.

      = The Third World War is conceived by the financial and political ethics of the world for one purpose, with the goal of total utilization of all unnecessary people ... =
      )))) Yah?!
      US GDP is 25% of global GDP, of which 71% is services, 21% is industry and 1% is agricultural.
      What kind of "extra people" can we talk about ?!
      1. 0
        23 August 2017 08: 00
        First of all, the USA is not a subject of global politics as it seems at first glance, but an object in the hands of Jewish global capital, which the USA has created since the foundation of the Fed. The USA is a global locomotive, but whoever controls it is not necessarily the driver and stoker of the last resort, the United States has owners, but these owners order a route. Extra people can be both internal and external, and so internal superfluous, about which you say that they are not superfluous, so far, until the United States has moved from the third industrial revolution to the fourth, and this shakes all countries making such a technological transition, and it’s internal superfluous people at this stage are an obstacle to the technological transition into the era of the fourth industrial revolution, the threat of social collapse increases with an excess of people who are not involved in the technological process released by the fourth industrial revolution dei. Why keep billions of people if the technological revolution uses only a hundred and a hundred million more in demand in the full production cycle. There is another category of superfluous people, those who are outside the golden billion, who are also in religious contradiction with the new world order being built, where the New Israel will play a key role. Islam and Orthodox Christianity, as well as atheists, become superfluous at the ball at the political Messiah. The prerequisites for the third world war were laid not in the ideological confrontation between the USSR and the USA, but in the creation of the state of Israel in the center of the Islamic world. And these contradictions are rooted in the watered economy, in religion. According to the Jewish beliefs, Mashiach will establish a just new world order, for Christians this Mashiach Antichrist, for Muslims Dajjal, which is the same thing, atheists are also a problem for establishing a new world religion of a new world order.
        1. 0
          23 August 2017 12: 50
          = ... The USA is not a subject of global politics as it seems at first glance, but an object in the hands of Jewish global capital ... =
          All. I get it. Sorry, I'm not a psychiatrist.
          1. 0
            24 August 2017 10: 08
            In a letter dated August 15, 1871, Pike presented to the head of the Illuminati Mazzini the outline of conquering the world through the three world wars in the most general terms, which was the path to establishing a “NEW WORLD ORDER”.

            Pike's letter to Mazzini on world wars of August 15, 1871

            THE FIRST WORLD WAR was to be staged in order to bring tsarist Russia under the direct control of the Bavarian Illuminati. Russia should be used as a “scarecrow” in order to solve the problems facing the Bavarian Illuminati.

            The SECOND WORLD WAR was, through the manipulation of German nationalists and political Zionists, to create a general split in opinions. This was to serve as an extension of the sphere of Russian domination and the creation of the State of Israel in Palestine.

            THIRD WORLD WAR should, in accordance with the plan, begin because of the divergence of views caused by the Illuminati between the Zionists and Arabs. It was planned to spread this conflict to the whole world.

            Similarly, an integral part of this third war should be the inciting of nihilists and atheists against each other in the course of provoked social upheavals, which should lead to never-before-seen atrocities and cruelty. After the destruction of Christianity and atheism, a genuine “Lucifer Doctrine” will be brought to people, and thus both doors will be slammed shut (X.9).

            Corresponding note regarding the current situation: If Russia existed as a “scarecrow” (image of the enemy), Western states were driven into international unions into which they would never voluntarily join (NATO, UN). Likewise, the Russian empire, as an enemy of the whole world, made international arms trade flourish, which again benefits international bankers.

            It is worth noting here that the Second World War was played out according to a scenario completely different from the one presented to us in school history textbooks.
  34. 0
    22 August 2017 18: 08
    There will be nothing.
    India in foreign policy is a very conflicting country, for 70 years of its independence, it has not acquired any partners, or allies, or even well-wishers. In addition, India, in spite of all its achievements, looks like a wedding horse - a muzzle in flowers, an ass in shit, a fairly developed industry in some regions combined with the poverty of the population of the whole country, high scientific methods can not be compared with the general wild culture and ignorance.
    1. 0
      23 August 2017 08: 07
      You see, you yourself have identified the problem of India, in India there are a lot of superfluous people for the elite of India, whom you compared to shit. If the elites of India, whose mugs in flowers agree with the global Zionists on the rules of the Third World War, then you can get rid of Homna.
      1. 0
        23 August 2017 12: 54
        I did not compare people with shit, do not compose.
        The rest of your thoughts are worthy of the attention of a specialist in psychiatry.
  35. 0
    April 28 2019 20: 36
    What ridiculous people here are in analysts, read by NF AND LET'S COME.