Military Review

Incubator named after Suvorov

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“Childhood in epaulets” is a delicate topic. It is necessary to feel it on yourself, a look from the side is not enough. The author of 40 years ago graduated from one of the Suvorov military schools of the USSR, and in the other, already Russian, he taught after being transferred to the reserve. Over the past decades, much has changed here. The experience of a student and a mentor in one person gives a moral right to evaluate the Suvorov school in the “as it was” and “as it became” projections.


The fashion for reform, which has embraced all our spheres of life and activity, has not bypassed military education. Therefore, in the development of the Suvorov school there were experiments, shyness, achievements and mistakes. I propose a comparison of how it was in Soviet times, with what is now in some, in the author's opinion, important positions.

The first position. I want to Suvorov!

How it was? During the war years, many boys became orphans. Their fathers gave their lives, fighting for their homeland. The boys hated fascism, had a life quenching, accustomed to difficulties and hardships. Some were themselves combatants (sons of the regiment, partisans, underground fighters). The difficult fate of the children created fertile ground for their transformation into warriors. The desire of the state to help them determined the minimum age for entering IEDs - 10 years. But as time passed, the situation with the “children of war” leveled off. The problem of their social adaptation has lost its former urgency, and from 1964, the IED switched to a three-year preparation (8 – 10 classes). Since 1969, the study period has been reduced to two years (9 – 10 classes). This made it possible to make a larger number of output (two or three companies simultaneously in each IED while maintaining the standard “capacity” of 500 – 600 people), which means it is more intensive to replenish the ranks of the cadets.

In this regard, I recall two points. First: my teachers and educators called the best period for training a Suvorov student for three years. And second: my admission to the VCA after the 8 class was conscious. In the 15 age, choosing a profession is already possible and necessary. From here and smaller human "losses" to release (health of the teenager was formed, the dream of becoming an officer is sustainable).

Incubator named after Suvorov


As it is? Directive of the Minister of Defense Serdyukov (No. D-30 from 21.04.2008) the seven-year training period has been reintroduced into the SVU. They recruit children after 4 class of secondary school. What is the plus here? A child whose entire childhood has passed in uniform and in the ranks will most likely choose the profession of a military man, since he does not represent anything else. He will be accustomed to the requirements of the statutes and the army mode of life. But what is the danger? The choice of profession at such a young age is not deliberate. The parents either send the child to the IED, or it attracts external attributes (beautiful form, shoulder straps, delight from what they saw in the parade of Suvorovs). If after a few years he realizes that he was mistaken with the choice of the path, it will be a vital tragedy. Starting positions for him and the ordinary student will be equal. But one lived among parents and friends “on the other side of the fence,” and the other lived in a system of artificially created restrictions. In this case, for what?

Second position After the ball

As it was? Suvorovets graduate was obliged to continue his studies in one of the higher military educational institutions of the USSR Ministry of Defense. But besides the duty (fixed by the subscription of parents at the time of admission to the VCA), he had the deserved right to be accepted there without exams. Even in the SVU, he sewed a cadet uniform according to the kind of troops of the selected military school. And in it, he arrived at the university. Which one? This depended on the rating for which the Suvorov student fought throughout his studies (based on academic performance, behavior, military research, achievements in sports, social activity, etc.). The rating was updated monthly, was public. The resulting “places” of graduates determined their order of entry into the distribution commission. Its main tool was the distribution list screen (the number of places “under Suvorov’s” from military schools). The first in a rating Suvorov could choose any higher command military school. Last picked up the remnants. It motivated. And the system worked!



In some higher education institutions, the Suvorov school was counted for the “course of the young fighter” (KMB). It also served as a definite “bonus” to a VCA graduate. Unlike a civilian young man, a suvorovets could shoot, use means of chemical protection, walk in order, make forced marches, etc. Therefore, after the credentials committee, the guys would go home and return to the school in oath.

How come? Every 9 of May, Russia is proud to watch the ranks of Suvorov marching along Red Square. But few know what happened before the parade, and what awaits these guys after. All year round, in any weather, they train on the school ground. Then, for a month and a half, they leave for one of the military units of the Moscow garrison, where the trainings take place as part of the general parade calculation. At the same time study continues, but there is not enough time and energy for it. Boys perform a state task, but naturally lose in the quality of knowledge. Hence, the uncollected USE points and the chance not to go anywhere, since the graduate of the VCA no longer has benefits when enrolling in a university. It’s hard to imagine what a young man feels like, who wore a uniform for seven years, who has three medals for participating in parades, when he is sent to serve as a conscript soldier with an IED ...



Here we have the result of ill-conceived legislation. Entered into force on 1 in September, 2013 of the Federal Law “On Education in the Russian Federation” turned out to be so oak-reinforced concrete that there are no exceptions. In the two ministries - education and defense - should jointly develop a bill (amendment, annex), restoring justice in relation to children who wish and already prepared (for a lot of money of Russian taxpayers) to serve the Motherland.

The above-described “bonus” with the KMB is also forgotten, and the Suvorov students, having become cadets, master the initial military training on a par with those who first see the machine gun, OZK, and a sapper shovel. But at least the schoolboy arrived at the school from home. And a Suvorov student in the year of admission is relocated from one barracks to another, not being able to stay with relatives.

The third position. Life - Motherland!

Not only to give knowledge, but also to educate the future defender of the Fatherland - the meaning and purpose of the Suvorov Military School.

As it was? I will answer simply. Nowhere and never: neither in the highest military school, nor in military units in the course of the officer service, nor in the military academy - I have not met such a clear statutory organization of life, service of the troops, internal order and exactingness on the part of commanders, as it was in the SVU. In the distant 70-e, I was given such a push in the fifth point (in a good sense of the word), the inertia of which was enough for 34 years of further service. Parenting was fatherly, but tough. We were made of men. And not one of my classmates had a thought to complain about anything, to call for help from parents, prosecutors or guardians about some kind of injustice or rigor of educators, teachers. The boys not only studied, but worked, served themselves, served in clothes and were responsible for offenses. For the deduction of a Suvorov student, the decision of the teachers' council was sufficient, which was taken upon the use of alcohol, smoking, theft, absenteeism, fighting. From the intruder before the formation scarlet shoulder straps broke, and he went to the school, from which he entered the SVU. Upon receipt of the fourth “two”, the Suvorovets “flew” with the holidays. With repeated "unsuccessful" - goodbye IEDs. It was a harsh school of life that tempered characters.

How come? The same Federal Law “On Education” completely equated Suvorov students to ordinary schoolchildren in the sense of rights and obligations (there are many rights, no duties). The military component in the life of Suvorov has weakened. The outfits are turned into a formality, and the functions of the daily are limited to a level that creates a false view of life in the barracks. And how can you understand what a company outfit is if there is no school outfit (instead of the duty officer, an officer of the private security company). Labor education - outside the law (cleanliness in the premises provide cleaners). A teacher is to blame for poor performance. Any severity of the educator or teacher is perceived as an insult. As a result, complaints from parents, often anonymous, are pouring into the address of the prosecutor's office and command for any reason. It is virtually impossible to deduct a Suvorov student, no matter what offense he committed (the same Federal Law allows the transfer of a child from one school to another only at the request of the parents). Get into the Suvorov team random boy, and the big trouble the school is guaranteed. And if, moreover, his parents occupy a weighty position in society? The teacher, the teacher, the head of the VCA will always be guilty. In such an atmosphere, a graduate of the school is worse adapted to the future service than its civilian peer, paradoxically. After all, a schoolboy entering a military educational institution is initially tuned in to the fact that it is difficult in the army. And a Suvorov student thinks that the conditions of the last seven years of his life are the army. But he takes an oath in a military school. And he sees that there are no more nannies, and for studies and actions one must answer. This is stress! And laid down in the institution, designed to eliminate such stress.

This should be taken without indiscriminate generalization. Many Suvorov in the current system, as in the former, become real officers and deserve the name of the great Generalissimo.

Fourth position. Who will you be, son?

As it was? In Soviet times, a Suvorov student was preparing to choose one of the military schools of the Ground Forces, which is justified in the name of the commander who stormed Ishmael and stepped over the Alps. However, those who really wanted to become a pilot or a seaman, as a rule, sought direction to the appropriate educational institutions. There were no big problems here.



How come? Today, all Suvorov military schools are distributed by types and types of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Such a beginning of military specialization is useful to those who "guess" with the profile of the VCA. For other children (and how in 11 years not to be mistaken?) It would be more useful to expand the general military outlook, to orient in the range of military professions and specialties, to make the choice consciously, based on their inclinations. In recent years, the reorganization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation took place so often that the same Suvorov student, studying within the same IED, during the years of study turned out to be in different types of armed forces of the Russian Federation. And each new submission changed the vector of his career counseling. How useful such zigzags - leave no comments.

Fifth position. Who will make a Suvorov defender of the Fatherland

As it was? All company commanders, educators, and part of the teachers were active officers who have, besides the military, a pedagogical education. The head of the VCA is a full-time general. Most teachers are men. No wonder they raised men.



How come? TV commentators, representing the chiefs of the SVU, marching at the head of the ceremonial "boxes" on Red Square, call them by military ranks (Major General or Colonel). But forget to say stock or retired. Alas, there are no more military posts in the VCA state. All commanders and educators are certainly worthy people who have gone through the officer's school of life. Some have combat experience. But all this is in the past. Caught under the "Serdyukovskiy" reduction or laid off according to age, they objectively moved away from service, although they donned military uniforms. Most of the teachers are women. This situation makes the IED less and less a military school, more and more - an ordinary boarding school.

The sixth position. Be healthy, son!

As it was? The competition in the SVU was huge not only because of the exams in mathematics and Russian, but also in the requirements for the state of health. Through three medical boards (in the district, regional military registration and enlistment offices and in the SVU) 10 – 20 percent of candidates “leaked” on the strength of. After two or three years, having grown stronger and tempered in the school, they were even fit into the marines, at least in the airborne forces.

How come? First, the “pass-through” health criteria for admission to IEDs are hardened. This level is lowered lower than the requirements for applicants to universities of the Russian Defense Ministry. Secondly, in 11 years, it is impossible to predict how the health of a Suvorov student will change after transitional age. And some of the graduates of IEDs are outside the Armed Forces for medical reasons. The expediency of such a seven-year study from the standpoint of the costs of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation and the fate of the adolescent himself is not indisputable.

Seventh position. Is there life behind the fence?

The personality of a person is formed in childhood. And it is very important that there are no missed stages of development.

As it was? Enrolling in IED after 8 class, my peers had time to accumulate some experience of interaction in the "ordinary environment". Take at least communication with the opposite sex: sit at the same desk with the girl, run after her at recess, exchange “secret” notes, take home from school, hold a briefcase, etc. All these “nonsense” are a legitimate school of physical maturation and social maturation.

How come? If you miss such an important stage of life, do not live through it, replace it with something else, in the future this may unpredictably affect the personality traits. How exactly? I will not fantasize, but I assume that the isolation of a boy from the 11 age from the outside world harbors a number of psychological dangers aimed at his future. Inside their "own" military environment, they are not so acute. But the social adaptation of the former Suvorov "in the outside world" may be difficult. How much? This should be investigated by professionals.

There are much more real problems in the upbringing and training of future defenders of Russia. And far from everything can be solved at the local level, in a specific VCA, NVMU, PAC, etc. Many issues are systemic. Answers must be sought at the level of state institutions. And do it consistently and carefully, so as not to break new firewood ...

All of the above is not an official position of the management or work collective of any pre-university educational institution. This is the point of view of the author, which can be taken into account, but you can pretend that everything is so good ...

School of Russian elite

The idea of ​​turning children into knights goes deep stories. In ancient Russia, there were rituals of “war vestment”, “landing on a war horse”, “sword encircling”, meaning certain stages of military maturation. A short childhood ended with the arrival of the 15-year-old youth in the prince's retinue. Peter I decided to raise the issue of improving the quality of the army by recruiting the most educated class into its ranks, for which compulsory service was introduced from 16 years. The so-called young plants, successfully examined by special commissions, were sent to study in the guard regiments. The rest were “written by the soldiers” or went to another state service. It was possible to evade it only with the simultaneous deprivation of a noble title, land and privileges.

Over time, there was not enough training in the training regiment for the performance of officer duties. New weapon, strategy and tactics required special education. Cadet corps appear on this wave in a number of countries. "Cadet" means minor. So called young nobles, enrolled in the service, but not yet made an officer. From France, the name migrated to many states, including Russia.

For nearly three centuries, the elite of the Russian people was formed from graduates of the cadet corps. The cadets were field marshal Rumyantsev and Kutuzov, generals Tormasov, Brusilov and Karbyshev, admirals Ushakov and Nakhimov, artists Vereshchagin and Bogolyubov, geographers Kruzenshtern, Bellingsgausen and Kropotkin, writers Dostoevsky, Tolstoy and Kuprin, designer and designer, geographists Kruzenshtern, Bellingsgausen and Kropotkin, writers Dostoevsky, Tolstoy and Kuprin, designer and designer, geographists Krusenstern, Bellingsgausen and Kropotkin, writers Dostoevsky, Tolstoy and Kuprin, designer and designer, Geografy

Soviet power in the midst of the Great Patriotic War revived the cadet education in the format of the Suvorov military schools (SVU) and the Nakhimov naval school (NVMU). From 1943 to 1990, their number changed to a maximum of 12. After the collapse of the USSR, along with IEDs and NVMU, presidential cadet schools, naval and Cossack cadet corps, cadet schools, NVMU branches, boarding school pupils appeared in the system of pre-university education. In the Soviet Union, similar institutions were significantly smaller.
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  1. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 August 2017 16: 21
    +4
    “effective managers”, breaking the structure that has been worked out for decades, are simply not able to offer something new and modern. And in the end, they create a complete profanation of the system of Suvorov schools.
    It was not necessary to break the Soviet system of education of the Suvorovites through the knee, but gradually introduce the most effective and modern methods into it. For example, to train computer geniuses-programmers from a young age. Then in civilian life they "will not get lost."

    ps immediately after the war, young educating officers who came to the Suvorov Military School were very embarrassed when they were asked a simple question: Where were you when we took Warsaw?
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 19 August 2017 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: kunstkammer
      immediately after the war, young educating officers who came to the Suvorov military school were very embarrassed when they were asked a simple question: Where were you when we took Warsaw?


      And there is nothing to answer ...

      Such uncomfortable questions are also asked by teachers at military schools and military academies - and some are silent ...

      SHAME! ! ! ! !
      1. Nonna
        Nonna 20 August 2017 09: 41
        0
        Tired of articles in style - all the way. The competition in schools is just frantic. My nephew did this year. Three months of hassle in collecting documents, passing, passing exams - as a result - passed both in Nakhimovsky (for health) and in the cadet. Mothers with their sons do not know what to do. They do not want to learn, they are constantly sitting on the Internet, there is no discipline. Complete hemorrhoids with adolescence and its psychological problems. Here are the reasons to give the guys upbringing the state and find out what a men's team is. Worse than home, will not. So from the mother’s point of view, military schools are simply an excellent move for all Russian mothers
        1. ShKAS_mashingun
          ShKAS_mashingun 20 August 2017 18: 33
          +2
          Quote: Nonna
          So from the mother’s point of view, military schools are simply an excellent move for all Russian mothers

          Well, yes, the easiest way, without doing anything in the matter of raising your own child, let him go to the army (school), let others suffer with him there. Parents became loafers, they all want something from the school, but they don’t hit finger by finger. And a little that they run to school complaining about the teacher, how did the useless teachers offend the child
          1. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 21 August 2017 08: 57
            0
            So juvenile has taken away the last argument in the argument and guidance on the true path! “Sidorov Jr., Sidorov I, the older one, was tearing like a goat Sidorov” (c)
      2. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 21 August 2017 08: 15
        0
        it is a child psychology of self-affirmation in a pack. It is clear that the "son of the regiment" went through a tougher school than the newly called up. Do you think now this is not? even in civilian life I have to teach a teacher with 10 years of experience at a university almost every day that I am a professional
  2. seti
    seti 19 August 2017 16: 31
    +3
    Explanatory article. But you need to understand that times have changed and that something is always changing. Perhaps not for the better.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 19 August 2017 19: 56
      +3
      After the collapse of the USSR, along with IEDs and NVMU, presidential cadet schools, naval and Cossack cadet corps, cadet schools, branches of NVMU, and boarding schools for children appeared in the system of pre-university education. In the Soviet Union, similar institutions were much smaller.

      And the quality of training was noticeably higher. A Suvorov graduate was better prepared than a high school graduate. Plus military training and physical development ....
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 August 2017 22: 55
      +10
      Quote: seti
      Explanatory article.

      Inspired by nostalgia .. A couple of remarks.
      1. The document contest in 1971 was about 50 in place. Called to Kalinin at the 1: 25 contest. The entourage in the old building, 2's long-haired bunks ... After each exam, a list of “striped flights” was read out - a failed entrant carried a mattress on his shoulder for delivery to the warehouse. After passing the last exam, according to tradition, we read out the list, we failed, the mood is lower than the plinth, and some “sniffed”. The rest made fun of us, invited us to come again next year. And suddenly the team: "On the right, into the new building ... the step - the march! The rest - behind the mattresses!" What was there !!! The silent scene from The Examiner faded in the drama of the situation ...
      2. But the competitive selection passed in 2 times more than it was necessary to accept. The medical board equalized the others ... It was also a tragedy ... And in the best Soviet traditions: the diagnosis was made by psychiatry-neuralgia ... There is no arguing!
      3. FIZO exam. Pulling up. And cross country running on 1 km. With a fright, apparently ran for 3 min 05 sec. It turned out on 3 sports discharge. The beginning of physical training immediately wrote down in his notebook .. Then 2 of the year he ran for the national team in military all-around. And at the 1th stage of the city relay relay of 1 in May. The main thing was not to fall. Managed to pass the 4-5 stick in the race. Next came our sprinter staer. As a result, always - 1-th place.
      Quote: moskowit
      And the quality of training was noticeably higher.

      Right! Diploma of a military translator of the 3 class. Prizewinner of mathematics, physics and chemistry olympiads. The first sports categories in swimming, military all-around, skiing, the champion of the school in running at 400 ...
      But I recall the camp camp of 72 of the year. Explosion cry rise at 4: 30 in the morning. "Combat alert!" We get assault rifles, gas masks, KZI, MSL ... And we ran to the line ... Dale left explosion ... machine gun (though idle). We dig in lying, and so on to the trench of a full profile. Fortunately regretted, not forced to connect our individual cells in a line.
      And then there was a lesson in survival: a hole dug for 1 from the Volga River’s edge filled with water, water disinfection pills, frog legs fried on a small sapper shovel, pieces of chopped snake ... Everyone tried ...
      at the head of the ceremonial “boxes” on Red Square,
      He was the guide of the 7-th line of the 2-th front box KlSVU in 1972 g at the 100 parade. It was then that we were first awarded the medal "To the participant of the 100-th parade on Red Square". And how we were trained by drill training is a separate story.
      From 1943 to 1990, their number changed, amounting to 12 at maximum.
      In 1971-73, there were only 7, plus the Nakhimov MVU. So at the Olympics and competed.
      But what has never happened is theft. Money just lay in the nightstands. Parcels from the house were eaten by the whole class ... no one ever hoated and ratted ...
      But hardening, the base obtained in KlSVU - this is for the rest of my life! Like Suvorov’s Trofimov ...
  3. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 August 2017 16: 42
    +2
    in our Suvorovsky system was quite severe. But at the same time, the educating officers constantly said: these are still flowers, now you will become cadets, you will understand what a real army is.
    My Suvorov "flowers" were worse than all other berries. It was even somewhat relaxing.
  4. Radikal
    Radikal 19 August 2017 16: 43
    +5
    Correct, and timely article! good
  5. Old warrior
    Old warrior 19 August 2017 16: 45
    +2
    It is hard to imagine how a young man, seven years old wearing a uniform, having three medals for participating in parades, feels when he is sent to serve as a soldier on conscription from the IED checkpoint ...

    What is it, Suvorovites, nowadays, to serve as a soldier badly? "Haro-o-shie" of them officers will grow ....
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 19 August 2017 18: 44
      0
      And we generally go to the army at the call - "zapadlo". The situation began to change a couple of years ago. My peers (!) (Plus or minus) began to consciously send their sons to the army. I tried to understand the motivation, I did not hear anything intelligible. But a fact. It’s a pity, mine didn’t serve, my eyesight, I swear, did not dissuade. Maybe the younger one will.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 19 August 2017 19: 59
        +1
        having three medals for participating in parades,

        Yes, with the "medals" we have a "concert" damn .... Not every warrior who went through the war with three came back ....
  6. Earnest
    Earnest 19 August 2017 18: 02
    +13
    Quote: Old Warrior
    It is hard to imagine how a young man, seven years old wearing a uniform, having three medals for participating in parades, feels when he is sent to serve as a soldier on conscription from the IED checkpoint ...

    What is it, Suvorovites, nowadays, to serve as a soldier badly? "Haro-o-shie" of them officers will grow ....

    I was under guardianship of a boy left without parents. Having looked at my "ideal", I decided to become an officer too, and after the series "Cadets" Suvorovsky fell ill. I was against it. Quietly, the guy himself was dumbfounded by the military registration and enlistment office, passed the commission, and confronted me with the fact that "I act" only when it was necessary to go to the regional commission and draw up the consent of the guardian to enter. Convinced me. Entered. It was hard for him, but he graduated from the Sverdlovsk IED. And what happened with the stool? There was no admission to the Higher School of Higher Education in 2012, I tried to enter Novosibirsk, I did not go to the special faculty for sight. The curator suggested a feint with his ears - to enter the technical school of border troops, heroically finish a couple of courses "excellent" and transfer from there to Golitsino. A good option, but ... In the frames sat a scoundrel and talk, who forgot to send a personal file to the school. The boy is sitting, but there’s still no call ... He picked up old contacts, reached the head of counterintelligence of one of the armies - they found out the reason. Do you think everything is working out? Right now they quickly sent a personal file to the selection committee and the guy went? Yeah, two times - the hand washes his hand. You won’t go around Kadroviks - once again having carefully studied the boy’s personal file, we found out that his mother, who was murdered in 2004 by a roommate, was convicted of keeping the brothel. And the boy became unreliable !!!!! And they refused him admission. "The son is not responsible for the father"? And he answered for his mother, even 8 years after her death. And do not care that the guardian has a lieutenant colonel, commissar in 32, with awards and rights, all belly in scars, do not care about IEDs. I
    so sickened by these freaks that I began to call the personnel department of the FSB administration in the district personally to calm down. Do you think the guy is now burning with the desire to serve as a soldier for this Motherland? No, he took and entered the budget at St. Petersburg State University, finished it last year and now works in Cyprus, spitting in the direction of the Russian Armed Forces. And I understand him.
  7. andrewkor
    andrewkor 19 August 2017 18: 37
    +3
    How we, the eighth-graders, were happy for our classmate who entered the IED and how upset everyone was when he did not pass through health, but the guy still became a military, tanker!
  8. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 August 2017 18: 40
    0
    immediately after the war, young educating officers who came to the Suvorov military school were very embarrassed when they were asked a simple question: Where were you when we took Warsaw?

    This is because the young officers were at least embarrassed then. And now these “managers” in the company with their cavalier girls, after “managing” their commercial stalls in the 90 years, have now become “statesmen” and, without a twinge of conscience (they completely lack this concept), they destroy it with blood and then created the Glory Russian army, the salt of the Russian land - the officer corps.
  9. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 19 August 2017 19: 33
    +1
    In Soviet times, in order to enter the IED, one of the parents must be a military man. I entered Kalinin IED twice, after the 8th and after the 9th grades. Both times "did not pass the competition." My father was an ordinary worker, and everyone with whom I spoke at the school, my fathers were in the rank of captain.
    1. 406ppm2gv
      406ppm2gv 21 August 2017 20: 19
      0
      far from a fact, I know for myself.
    2. chenia
      chenia 22 August 2017 10: 16
      0
      Quote: 16112014nk
      In Soviet times, in order to enter the IED, one of the parents must be a military man.


      In VU there were 6 cadets in the platoon and not one of the parents was military, but almost a third of the platoon were children of military personnel (officers of their children gave very rarely to IEDs).

      As for the tailoring of the form in the VCA, the author also lied, everyone went to the KMB in cotton, before the oath they received a parade and a half-shirt.
      And the KMB cadets were in full composition (I don’t remember for a long time already), they incidentally commanded the units (we had 2 KO cadets in the platoon).
      For about six months or a little more, they "stacked up" separately, then they began to merge into the already formed interest groups by that time.

      In general, half a year at VU, this is a "leveling" professionally. Even the cadets from the soldiers had already caught up with the citizen (they were also often put up by KOs, and always by the ZKV, foreman)
  10. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 19 August 2017 20: 28
    0
    What is the title of the article? Author, are you a farmer a loser? It seems to be a serious question, but serve as a cattle!
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 19 August 2017 21: 01
      0
      You are absolutely right! But be educated .... And above ... Why humiliate the Author ... Write an article "as opposed to" ... Headline, sheer disgrace. I wonder why not a single Suvorian resented ???
      This name is more suitable for broadcasts of our vulgar television, with a huge number of dancing and howling idiots under patronage, not far from them the current "business show stars" who have left .....
    2. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 21 August 2017 08: 33
      +1
      Well, just for you, he tried to sort of hit!
    3. kriniza
      kriniza 23 August 2017 15: 20
      +1
      Answers the author of the article Krinitsky Yu.V. The headline jarred not only the readers, but also me - the author of the article. The material was sent to a newspaper called "Serve the Power from a Young Age". But the editors of the Military-Industrial Courier decided to show off. They, you see, need a sensation ... And without my consent they cut the “Incubator”. I, the Suvorovets myself, do not consider myself incubator. Somewhere like that ...
  11. Alexey Sobolev
    Alexey Sobolev 20 August 2017 00: 57
    +1
    Thank you for the article!
  12. irazum
    irazum 20 August 2017 03: 11
    +1
    Nice article, thanks!
  13. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 20 August 2017 13: 11
    +1
    Quote: moskowit
    Yes, with the "medals" we have a "concert" damn .... Not every warrior who went through the war with three came back ....

    and how do you GUARDIAN Suvorov School? I understand that after the war, the guys from the Guard units came to study - they are real Guards! But the Guards IED is already a complete perversion of the essence of the rank of guardsman.
    However, like the Guard Police - Rosguard. Soon we will reach the customs guards, traffic police ... then at the request of the former kiosk chiefs.
  14. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 20 August 2017 23: 39
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    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    He was the guide of the 7-th line of the 2-th front box KlSVU in 1972 g at the 100 parade.

    Hello! And I went to the 1-th Moscow box, 2-th row.
    Sorry, I wanted to know everything: we called you “Stakes” because of “Kl” on uniform. And you probably also somehow called us? Write. No offense, okay?
  15. kriniza
    kriniza 23 August 2017 15: 31
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    Dear Readers I, the author of the article, Yuri Krinitsky, thank you for your attention and even criticism. I must note that an article in the newspaper Military Industrial Courier was sent with the title "Serve the Power from a Young Age." But it was renamed “Incubator” without my consent. I did not need such a sensation at all. After all, the content of the article is absolutely correct, balanced. Unfortunately, this is the style of the current Editor in Chief and the rest ...
  16. demokrat86
    demokrat86 23 August 2017 20: 16
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    The author is well done, he raised the necessary questions, it is a pity that they do not understand this at the top. He graduated from UGSVU, Ryazan car and now I already serve in the rank of captain. And each time you come across a doom, from IEDs and military schools have made kindergartens, the army is even worse. It’s almost impossible to get somewhere without money and connections. And communicating with the current Suvorovites, cadets, young officers more and more oh .... b from this fool at home