Patrushev on the cons of imported software

The widespread use of foreign software and computer technology reduces the level of information security up to the possible stopping of technological processes, reports RIA News Statement by Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev.

The widespread use of foreign information technologies, software and telecommunications equipment creates preconditions for information leakage, reduces the level of information security, up to the threat of stopping technological processes and remotely blocking the infrastructure of public authorities,

Patrushev said at a retreat in Ryazan on issues of national security in the Central Federal District.

According to him, “large-scale computer attacks in May-June of 2017, with the goal of disrupting the functioning of the information resources of the Russian Federation and many countries of the world, clearly demonstrated the destabilizing potential of such malicious software.”

Comments

[210ox]

Has it just arrived? Or just just written ...

[vch]

No, it has come a long time ago - since the late 90s. But there was no alternative as such ..... And the tabs on the motherboards were also discovered by specially left “holes” in the Russian versions of Windows ... There was no strength at all to replace the software and hardware with the domestic one. Yes, and relations with the Americans then were slightly different. Now they have finally realized the full depth of the problem - which is probably why their stones appear, and the software (especially in critical areas) is increasingly ours.

[Christ-chekist]

Do you know what Elbrus produces at TSMC facilities in Taiwan? And TSMC is wholly owned by the American WaferTech.

[vch]

I know. But you probably don’t know what military acceptance is.

[Christ-chekist]

And have many Elbrus taken?

[vch]

I don’t do this at the moment, but when I was doing it, I had to test and take and pass a lot of things. On this, I represent the process well. And you Chekist probably want to find out a military secret from me? Your enemy tricks will not pass !!

[electrooleg]

Quote: vch

On this, I represent the process well.

ABOUT! And this is interesting, by the way. It is known that for example the "domestic" Astra Linux is based on Debian. Naturally, the source for everything is open for the Debian and in order to make the axis for them for defense you need to inspect all these sources, and for this you need to read them. Automatic inspection using special applications is very likely to be ineffective. Considering how many millions of lines the source code of only one kernel occupies, it turns out that you need to essentially read the large Soviet encyclopedia in volume. And not just read, but understand and remember. I honestly do not believe that anyone did this. For objective reasons. Your turn!

[Blackmokona]

And the question will arise of updating the kernel, if the kernel is updated, then each time to certify? And if you do not update, then carry all the identified bugs and vulnerabilities with you?

[vch]

You are talking about software, we had a dialogue about hardware. A bit different things, right?

[electrooleg]

Quote: vch

You are talking about software, we had a dialogue about hardware.

Well, iron, so what? Without software, they can only be nailed up, well, or used as oppression when you ferment cabbage for the winter.

[MadCat]

Quote: vch

You are talking about software, we had a dialogue about hardware. A bit different things, right?

if you are such a specialist then you should know that iron is not being developed on a piece of paper, the choice is not great ...

[Vladimir16]

Quote: elektroleg

Well, iron, so what? Without software, they can only be nailed up, well, or used as oppression when you ferment cabbage for the winter.

Elektrooleg, I think the plumber will tell you a lot about the design of the toilet and gaskets in your faucet. And if these devices break, then you will sit head over heels in shit.
So, stop ponty pounding and showing your awareness in aoooooooooo narrow question. Life is much wider.
Patrushev spoke of something completely different. I’m not sure that your “knowledge” will help the inhabitants of the country live without fear.
Yes, and it happened that cabbage in a bucket under oppression will be much more important than all your stories about hardware and software.

[AVA77]

On Elbrus its core

[AVA77]

Linax but his

[Blackmokona]

Linux is the kernel.

Linux (Listeni / ˈlɪnəks / [ˈlɪnəks] [1] [2] or [ˈlɪnʊks] [3] [4] [5]), Linux) - a family of Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel,

[electrooleg]

Quote: BlackMokona

Linux is the kernel.

Literally, yes. But for example, a driver, or the kernel environment, made for a particular kernel are its direct continuation. And how is this called? It is known that the driver can be a kernel module, that is, end up in the binary, or become a separate loadable module. In other words, the driver can be both part of the kernel itself and its environment, depending on how you build it. So is the driver Linux or not Linux?

[aliis-M]

+, considering that they pretty much rewrote these source codes for their architecture

[electrooleg]

Quote: aliis-M

rewrote

recompiled. These are different things.

[Blackmokona]

Literally, yes. But for example, a driver, or the kernel environment, made for a particular kernel are its direct continuation. And how is this called? It is known that the driver can be a kernel module, that is, end up in the binary, or become a separate loadable module. In other words, the driver can be both part of the kernel itself and its environment, depending on how you build it. So is the driver Linux or not Linux? laughing

Each user can do recompilation during installation, here you do not need to be a programmer. I checked the checkboxes and the whole business. Pure Linuh.

[aliis-M]

exactly what they rewrote. The compiler is there so that the OS and programs with x86 have the ability to run.

[electrooleg]

Not. This is an interpreter. And the compiler collects the binary from the source, the flags determine the hardware architecture under which the compilation takes place. That is, for example, on a regular Intel, you can easily assemble a binary that will work under the ARM architecture on the phone, for example.

[guerrilla]

Quote: vch

Your enemy tricks will not pass !!

Yes, this enemy all-crawler here has already worn everyone out.
Would you go monuments fell, Marquise

[Yuyuka]

Quote: vch

I don’t do this at the moment, but when I was doing it, I had to test and take and pass a lot of things. On this, I represent the process well. And you Chekist probably want to find out a military secret from me? Your enemy tricks will not pass !!

sorry ... I also wanted more detail just about to record ... so wanted to some thread Maldives ...

[aliis-M]

Those Elbrus who do in Taiwan (4C 8C) - not a single one. The military bought the old 2C +, they were made from us. The process technology will be pulled up on Mikron and new ones will be possible to do with us, but the MCST decided to go to the masses, so they started to produce in Taiwan - cheaper, and their generations and technological processes are changing at a frantic speed, so I think neither the "old" 4C, nor the new 8C they won’t do it with us - it makes no sense to buy equipment, as long as the procurement lots are small, and the development process is rushing like a locomotive. Equipment will not have time to recoup its cost. And the guys from the MCST so far are doing everything beautifully and correctly. They will conquer a wide market (state structures, servers for enterprises, thin clients), they will begin to sell their products in bulk, then it will already make sense to set up a production workshop.

[electrooleg]

Quote: aliis-M

ICST decided to go to the masses

With the price of a motherboard like a Lada, no masses are expected even on the horizon.

[aliis-M]

as long as the production unit, say thank you not like a Mercedes

[Titsen]

Quote: vch

You probably don’t know what military acceptance is.

Program schedule on the channel "Star"!

[CooL_SnipeR]

Quote: Christochist

Do you know what Elbrus produces at TSMC facilities in Taiwan? And TSMC is wholly owned by the American WaferTech.

So what? the core is essentially a print in order to redo it - you need to redesign the core. Suppose that in the stump of the cortex of 2 duos there are no exsloites. How much will it cost to redesign it in flight when you were given a mold for printing it on a plate?

[Tusv]

Quote: vch

No, it has come a long time ago - since the late 90s. But there was no alternative as such ..... And the tabs on the motherboards were also discovered by specially left “holes” in the Russian versions of Windows ... There was no strength at all to replace the software and hardware with the domestic one.

The warriors say that the software in the late 90s was based on NT-4. The thing is not a plug and play, and the code was stolen. And so we have encryption on a certificate issued by the FSB

[sub307]

Quote: 210ox

Has it just arrived? Or just just written ...

Yeah ... "woke up" and immediately "discovered America."

[Ayratelinsion]

Oh ... come on, run the cheburnet, get the scores ...

[NEXUS]

It is declared that it is declared ... AND WHAT IS DONE FOR THAT IT HAS APPEARED ITS OWN AND IRON, AND NOT WELL THAN THE WESTERN?

[Christ-chekist]

It's impossible. For many reasons. No one will give patents, no one will open the code, writing a Windows-level OS is just a tremendous effort, and in the end, if it even looks like it will not work, nor will it be compatible with components. It will be necessary to develop the entire software and hardware complex from scratch. And if you use free software, then it will be the same Western OS but with new wallpapers and icons. The price will be measured in hundreds of billions, and if we are talking about iron, then trillions, tens, and the terms by decades. And there will be no one to sell. Nobody will fence the garden.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Christochist

And if you use free software, then it will be the same Western OS but with new wallpapers and icons.

Well, Western hatred ... for example, the Linux kernel ... Russian OSs have also been developed on its basis.

[Christ-chekist]

Did Linux stop being western from this? All the same, it’s impossible to completely step back and do completely your own from scratch and a clean slate, I talked about this.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Christochist

Did Linux stop being western from this? Anyway, it’s impossible to completely step back and do your own completely, I talked about this.

But not mattress, as I understand it ... besides, this is just the core ...

[Christ-chekist]

Only? This is just a wallpaper, and the kernel is the foundation of the OS. And there are as many American as Japanese, for example, or some other.

[Tusv]

Quote: Christochist

Only? laughing Just this wallpaper

All the same, the wallpaper and assembly are different, like a hut from a mansion.

[Chills]

Not the gods burn the pots, and they do not write the axes. LK wrote their axis for the glands, for example. There would be a demand.

[japs]

I remember that the Buran flew not only on Soviet software, but even on Soviet hardware.
Those lovers of beautiful western candy wrappers, different humpbacks, but Yakovlev.
And do not rub me, that Windows write mattresses, there are Hindu blacks in bulk.
Yes, our programmers are bundled out for the same candy wrappers.

[MadCat]

Quote: japs

I remember that “Buran” flew not only on Soviet software

there was only a Soviet name, the processors copied from IBM, how did they copy ... Nobody seemed to give permission to the copy ...

[sogdy]

Oh how! Expert, adnaka!
What kind of wind blew?

[aliis-M]

Linux is an open source system. In fact - a constructor, I don’t want to sculpt. And our Russian P.O. and so on, I’ll tell you a secret. The issue of porting to the native OS. The guys from the ICSTC have been very happy lately, they recently rolled out an 8 core processor with a frequency of 1,3 GHz (do not forget that some six years ago the top of the Russian processor engineering was Elbrus 2C + - 2 core 500 MHz, the speed difference is tens of times, given that the processors of such giants how Intel and AMD became faster, for the same time a maximum of 2 times, I can give proofs), and they are developing at a very, very fast pace. As a result, what we already have today is processors with acceptable architecture on their architecture, and with their own operating system (Elbrus OS), their own software for special applications. more than enough tasks, the same Compass confidently competes with AutoCAD. Two things:
1) (this is now being done) - to provide ICST with financing for development, for the emergence of fully competitive processors and the establishment of their mass production. (Everything is going well with this, I repeat once again the guys are going up at the speed of ICBMs. In three or four years they will appear for sure, Elbrus 8C already solves all modern problems at the level of Western processors of the lowest-mid-price category, five years ago I could not even dream of such a thing could).
2) (follows the first) - porting domestic software to its own architecture.

I really have great optimism in this matter, if four or five years ago everything was depressing, now tremendous work is being planned and already being done in this area)

[Tusv]

Quote: Christochist

It's impossible. For many reasons. No one will give patents, no one will open the code, writing a Windows-level OS is just a tremendous effort

Prior to NT-7, all codes are open. Take Take out (slang Windows XP) and figs OSes by itself. Russian versions of Linux also from the end of 90. Red Riding Hood for example

[vch]

Everything is possible in Russia, believe me .... But in many ways you are right, I agree.

[Christ-chekist]

Firstly, no NT 7 exists. Secondly, the NT line is proprietary. And even if you somehow steal the entire code, you will sue and pay, pay and sue until the end of your life. Microsoft will impose such fines on you that the cost of the lunar program seems ridiculous.

[Tusv]

Quote: Christochist

Firstly, no NT 7 exists. Secondly, the NT line is proprietary.

Really chtol? Take out 2000 is NT-5, Take out HaPe Nt-6. All these codes are discovered by an American court.

[Christ-chekist]

True. Windows 8.1 is the 6.3 kernel. And then immediately 10 goes. 2000 - 5.0, XP - 5.1. Well, give a link, where can I see the code? Since the court itself.

[Tusv]

Quote: Christochist

Well, give a link, where can I see the code? Since the court itself.

An amazing thing. If that give a link. You are not an IT specialist, you are a spy. I’ll give you proofs, but um I’ll get to the FSB menu. Although all this is available Read and dirty

[sogdy]

Quote: vch

Everything is possible in Russia, believe me .... But in many ways you are right, I agree.

Remarkably nothing is said!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Christochist

No one will give patents, no one will open the code, writing a Windows-level OS is just a tremendous effort

IMHO it is not necessary to write a six-armed seven-wing type Win, military software or software for government systems can be specialized. Unixoids have open source code, not the fact that there are bookmarks in earlier versions. It is possible to analyze bottlenecks to write your own by closing critical points if you wish and political will. I’ve been talking about this for a long time, it’s all a matter of politics, domestic proposals until the 14th year, for example, they usually played football in the oil industry, only they started stirring under sanctions

[sogdy]

Quote: Christochist

And if you use free software, then it will be the same Western OS but with new wallpapers and icons.

How interesting!
Nicho that "Western software" is 80% ("resident") written in the Russian Federation, and 10% is the loader of a specific process ("dispatcher"). Only localization remains.
Only the French and Germans have their own Lin. With 20-30% of our participation.

You know, the cult-political-enlightened language strongly betrays you. Negroes did not live in the village of Gadyukino.

Quote: Christochist

write Windows OS

From Vin7 SUCH ears Ubunts stick out - you sway! Especially in the terminal.

[krops777]

The widespread use of foreign software and computer technology reduces the level of information security up to the possible halt of technological processes, RIA Novosti reports a statement by the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev.

And what to state the facts, it would be better to think about how to keep the talented guys of programmers at home, because it is no secret that they are really hunting, as well as the best graduates of MIPT and MSTU named after Bauman.

[Che burashka]

Quote: krops777

And what to state the facts, it would be better to think about how to keep the talented guys of programmers at home, because it is no secret that they are really hunting, as well as the best graduates of MIPT and MSTU named after Bauman.

In-in! And then we offer them a salary of 20-40 TR without any social media. And then they make round eyes - "And where did you guys go? ... why do you need a foreign land?" And “effective-defective” managers at the same time, at the same enterprises for 200-500 tr. (and when and more) receive. Indeed, where we went ... it is not clear ...
Here the other day, one such effectively-defective daughter of her daddy tried to agitate to work for 15 tr. at a plant in Sevastopol (holding a mattress phone in the hands of a six-month salary at this plant). For which VNA was sent .... She still in a dress from the daughter of another daddy defiled around the Hero City. I hope you guessed who I mean?

[Bun]

Who is it about: names in the studio?

[Christ-chekist]

Lisa Peskova. I came from sunny France to tell the shipyard workers how to raise shipbuilding and called it legal proceedings.

[Bun]

Yes, hunting with a telescopic sight and rifles, pistols, revolvers, knives, slingshots, sticks and simple fists. Here you are right.

[sogdy]

Quote: krops777

I’d better think about how to keep talented programmers at home,

And it is necessary? To buy it with ready-made developments ?!

[Che burashka]

Quote: sogdy

And it is necessary? To buy it with ready-made developments ?!

Nah, don't Let the West buy it, he will work there for them, and then we will get it! and .... we will buy these developments! So what? Great plan! If only oil and gas went up, we will buy everything! The West is shocked by such deceit This is what we have been doing for the past 25 years - Windows is more than 50% written by Russian programmers, whom we about ....if according to an "insidious" plan. And now we all (yes, I, and you, and a bunch of millions of Russians) are paying denyuzhku Microsoft for the opportunity to write patriotic posts on the VO. And then this corporation pays taxes in mattress ... the very taxes on which (including) this very, deeply hated and despised by us mattress, with its army, continues to exist quite well. Horrroshy plan !!!
As I understand it, this post was one of the "effective" managers?

[sogdy]

Quote: Che Burashka

Let the West buy it, he will work there for them, and then we will get it! and .... boo

This is not a "market", this is "unfair competition".
And its laws state that the one who is for sale will be bought by a competitor, squeezed and thrown away. A specialist will not come out of it.
There is the practice of closed cities. Low salaries, government prices. Nothing prevents people from working.
And those with your worldview, without the strain of leadership, end up in quarantine - and drop out.
So headquarters to whom are you composing your brains?

[Che burashka]

Quote: sogdy

This is not a "market", this is "unfair competition".

Ah ah ah We have Captain Evidence here! And he consecrated us! Hooray comrades! But what, the market once competed in good faith? It's ridiculous ... Market integrity was determined (and will always be determined) exclusively by the laws of the state and its actions, including the implementation of its own laws.

Quote: sogdy

And its laws state that the one who is for sale will be bought by a competitor, squeezed and thrown away. A specialist will not come out of it.
There is the practice of closed cities. Low salaries, government prices. Nothing prevents people from working.

How interesting! Well, a lot of people will go there? Sit somewhere in the middle of the steppe / taiga for a low salary? Especially young people, right after all, are torn, and torn - "Me! Send me to Tyulyulyusk-45 for 15t.r. I so dream of it! “Maybe, by personal example, teach foolish youth, huh? Weak? At home, is it more reliable on the couch. Or in a voluntary-compulsory order? Et yes, at that we have already passed not so long ago.

Quote: sogdy

And those with your worldview, without the strain of leadership, end up in quarantine - and drop out.
So headquarters to whom are you composing your brains?

You will poke your wife in bed.

[Buffet]

So it’s okay ... But domestic analogs sometimes just do not go to any comparison with foreign software. And under an hour they are not at all.

[Muvka]

That is what Kaspersky, Abby and 1c are known all over the world ...

[Yura]

Back in the 20th century, the Swedes called the "buffet" a "Russian table", but now it turns out that they invented a "buffet" a very long time ago and did not call it that because of their natural modesty, as well as with software, if you seriously study this issue , then we will see that almost all serious software has Russian roots.

[Bun]

correctly morse code

[Smoked]

The golden time of domestic analogues is coming. When you can vparivat the state customer at an exorbitant price something like assembled, but domestic. It’s better for him not to be, there’s no competition.

[sogdy]

Quote: Smoked

you can vparit state customer

There is an opinion that you sing from other people's words.

[Bun]

What attacks are you talking about? the very use of this technique in work already means the complete absence of any secrets from the respective states.

[forty-eighth]

Was it worth registering to write obvious stupidity?

[Bun]

Yes, what are you, well, where is the stupidity here: anyone knows a little bit by hearsay about spyware, password crackers, viruses that contain mathematical code that can bring down a computer system or one computer, etc.

[sogdy]

And didn’t try to climb into tyrnet?

[Gardamir]

Yes, this Patrushev is a liberal and supporter of Navalny. In any case, when I express such thoughts here in VO, they call me that.

[sogdy]

Quote: Gardamir

they call me that.

I notice that they always call you that.

[polev66]

straight captain evidence ...

[Vision]

Roughly speaking, in terms of computer technology, we are lagging behind the very tomatoes. This applies to both software and hardware, which is why sanctions against the PC industry are stifling us.

[Rostislav]

The widespread use of foreign information technologies, software and telecommunications equipment creates preconditions for information leakage, reduces the level of information security, up to the threat of stopping technological processes and remotely blocking the infrastructure of public authorities,
Patrushev said at a retreat in Ryazan on issues of national security in the Central Federal District.

Identified the problem (better late than never), okay. Where is the action?
The slurred stirring that is happening now can hardly be called real steps to rectify the situation.

[japs]

It is impossible to create a real, absolutely safe system. This can be sought, but not achieved. I read the stories of one respected person, with the nickname Fiks, he described in detail the situation back in 2015. He worked part-time at FAPSI for certification. So now with this case we have a complete seam!

[XXXIII]

If the hacker does not have access to the server where information and backups are stored, do not care for the hacker. In this case, it can infect the current computer, but there is an antivirus and data encryption.

[Razvedka_Boem]

You read the comments and surprise the gloating slipping in them .. Just sad ..
Moreover, I’m sure that measures have already been taken, and there’s a disinformation to the public ..
But to include logic and make at least a superficial analysis, no one will bother. They say with some unhealthy voluptuousness - but we didn’t do that, but we are behind in this ..
Disbelief in one’s country is the first sign of a traitor.
An attempt to sow doubt in one's own abilities is a sign of a provocateur.
Efforts to expose someone who cares for their country to be abnormal, attempts to denigrate the word "patriot" is a sign of the enemy.
Americans say - Remember the Alamo, and even then not all, mostly Texas ..
And we must remember that the goal of the West is the deprivation of Russia's sovereignty.
You can live full in many places. But a man without a homeland is a tumbleweed, nobody.
But we love our Motherland ..
".... but we like her! .. Sleeping Beauty! .."
DDT, if anyone did not recognize ..)

[sogdy]

In May-June there was a massive attack on bank and other accounting (read - state.) Machines. Taki oh! Broke off.
If so, the regional centers are still sitting on Soviet computers. Although the EUs have died. (This is so, about the "great electronics manufacturers" of Eastern Europe, Germany, France and the USA - manufacturers of components for the EU and Spark)

[Lawyer]

We need our own programming languages, our compilers, our development environments.

[Klaus]

Are you serious? Hmm, now, re-invent the Assembler with the Russian syntax ... and even better with the Old Slavonic))), so that the enemies break the brain))) But at the same time, it will not be possible to reinvent the unit and zero.

[sogdy]

Nothing that Assembler is machine dependent?
Really used is not some shnyaga, but languages ​​under the real percent / controller.

[Klaus]

AND? what is the ambush? Under the same Elbrus, what prevents you from writing a system? What prevented Menuet or Kolibri from writing to enthusiasts from scratch? Where? Where is our development? Yes, not only write, but also port!

[Klaus]

In order not to be unfounded, I suggest everyone try to run the Hummingbird OS, or the Menuet OS on their computer. They weigh ... tears ... a few megabytes ... However, I will not reveal the intrigue: we find an Internet site, format a USB flash drive, upload it, and run it in live mode, after setting BIOS boot mode from flash in advance. You will be surprised ochchen

[Klaus]

I foresee reproaches that these systems were written by Assamler under the x86 architecture, then they were doped up, etc. This is understandable, it was necessary for the user to see the result: and the nuances of the pussy / risk of the architecture are the last thing. But people, the core was written from scratch!

[jonhr]

such are all naive. Well, they’ll find someone ready to sell it all will create viruses and trojans again through some kind of person. all this is not his own garbage.
money is a big temptation. and I honestly don’t know a single Russian who did not dream at least about a million US dollars

[Operator]

It is one thing to dream of a million US dollars (in any monetary equivalent), another thing is to sell your homeland for this or any other amount.

But perhaps for you (not a Russian) the latter goes without saying

[jonhr]

Oh, there was a crystal man no one has ever sold probably

[Klaus]

In a good way, the ideas of domestic software and hardware had to be dealt with in those days when in the magazine "Model Designer" in the 80s, enthusiasts published pages of the binary code of the game "snake" for computers on cassette recorders. And some craftsmen tried to conjure with Electronics calculators. By the way, at about the same time, Gates got the idea to push the “windows” into Dos.
Now, after more than three decades, it’s too late to drink Borjomi.

[sogdy]

But what about the one who has been doing this since the 60s? ..

[Klaus]

Do not get lost, at least. Establish a channel on YouTube, and if possible tell the young generation that Gates is not the only one ... Well, at least show something.
This will be the best thing to do. I would have looked with great pleasure.

[aliis-M]

electrooleg,
in the end, what is it bad?

[Klaus]

Yes, everyone is bad. Pentium architecture leaked to the west. They already squeezed out the X-86s from IBEMs. Well, and then, network protocols, languages ​​... Now it's too late to rush around. It must be admitted that the computer industry is a global, universal achievement. WE, white people of European culture, created IT. These are the categories to think about. You can spit saliva of "multiculturalism and tolerance", but the facts are a direct thing. Dissuade me please, probably I'm wrong. I will be glad only.

[aliis-M]

Yes, you are right, in fact. It’s just that reality remains reality, it’s impossible to return the lost, it’s just impossible to create anything on x86, there’s no reason to pay a lot of money for a license, given the technological backlog. It remains to go the other way - all sorts of MIPS, everything based on it, etc. like, (the architecture of Elbrus, from MIPS seems to have grown) is more difficult for home use, all other things being equal, worse, I think as a knowledgeable person, you will understand why, but what to do, let's see what happens.

[Operator]

Quote: sogdy

"Western software" on 80% ("resident") is written in the Russian Federation, and 10% is the bootloader for a specific process ("dispatcher")

With such a hangover "80% in Russia" - all system software is written in the West.

[sogdy]

Quote: Operator

all system software is written in the West.

Enumerations.
And, especially, explain what you call the "system" in the kernel.
We’ll omit such a fertile topic as Linux on controllers.

[sogdy]

Quote: Che Burashka

This is what we have been doing for the past 25 years - Windows has been written by more than 50% of Russian programmers, whom we about..feel..if according to the "insidious" plan.

What a funny pop.
Russians in MS are only sellers. And this is not hiding. Otherwise, the MS will fly out of the "strategic".
Right, the post of the lamer, all myths are collected.

[Che burashka]

Quote: sogdy

What a funny pop.

Get away from the mirror, otherwise you will see a lot of things in it.

Quote: sogdy

Russians in MS are only sellers. And this is not hiding. Otherwise, the MS will fly out of the "strategic".
Right, the post of the lamer, all myths are collected.

Of course sellers, who else and American-European merchants every year in droves come to us exclusively for sellers, where can they get their own ....
"It is well known (from trusted sources) that the best sellers are Russians!"
Mood ... retsy nod their head to the beat .... "Yes, yes! Truly so!"