Armament of the Turks of the Early Middle Ages (Part One)

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“And I saw that the Lamb took off the first of the seven seals, and I heard one of four animals, speaking in a thunderous voice: go and see. I looked, and behold, a white horse, and on it a horseman who has a bow, and a crown was given to him; and he came out as victorious, and to conquer. "
(Revelation of John the Divine 6: 1-2)


It has always been and will be that there is a special literature on a subject that requires study and certain knowledge, which allows this study to be carried out properly, and popular science literature, the content of which on the same subject is adapted for a mass audience. Of course, the larger the topic, the more extensive is its historiography. However, sooner or later, so-called “generalizing works” appear, in which information scattered from different sources is brought together and a very interesting work is obtained, a kind of tip of the iceberg of all the information that precedes it. For example, on the subject of weapons of the Mongol-Tatar warriors such a work is the book of Gorelik MV “The armies of the Mongol-Tatars of the X-XIV centuries. Martial art equipment weapon". (M .: Vostochny Horizon LLC, 2002. - 84 p. - (Uniforms of the armies of the world). - 3000 copy. - ISBN 5-93848-002-7), which is completely academic and at the same time written the same is beautifully illustrated.


Turkic warriors VI –VII centuries. Fig. Angus McBride



However, until this time, Central Asia was not at all empty. There lived their own peoples, there were mighty empires and developed civilizations, the military affairs of which had a significant impact on their neighbors. In particular, such people were Western Turks, the weapons of which the scientific article of A.Yu. was devoted to. Borisenko, Yu.S. Khudyakova, K.Sh. Tabaldiyeva, and O.A. Soltobaeva "ARMING OF THE WESTERN TURKS", prepared under the program of the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences "Adaptation of peoples and cultures to changes in the natural environment, social and technological transformations." Project No. 21.2.

It is necessary to get acquainted with it in order to imagine the military business of nomads in general, and later heirs of the ancient Turks in particular. Since this work itself is quite large and contains a large amount of rather specific iconographic material (graphic drawings), let us try to present it in a somewhat more popular format with illustrations from available modern Internet sources.

Armament of the Turks of the Early Middle Ages (Part One)

Ancient Turkic sculpture. IX — X centuries. Chuy Valley, Kyrgyzstan. Hermitage (St. Petersburg).

So, what do the authors of this work tell us? It turns out that already in the middle of I thousand n. er The ancient Turks, led by the ruling family of Ashina, managed to subdue the tribes of nomads who lived in the steppe belt of Eurasia and create a powerful military state called the First Turkic Kaganate. In the course of almost continuous wars, they subjugated the numerous nomadic tribes that differed both in culture and ethnicity throughout the Eurasian steppes from the Yellow to the Black Sea and, respectively, from the Siberian taiga to the borders with Iran and China. It was then that, under the influence of their culture, among the Eurasian nomads, the characteristic types of weapons, clothes of warriors and war horses were most widely spread, the tactics of equestrian fighting took shape, and, of course, military traditions. The main goal of the Kaganate rulers was to control the Great Silk Road routes that were in their zone of influence. They charged tribute to silk merchants and sought to impose unequal treaties on China, Iran, and other sedentary agricultural states to pay taxes to them. That is, they formed a certain type of regional culture, which was later inherited by those representatives of the nomadic world who inherited from them.


One of the very interesting monographs on this topic. Its only and main drawback is poor printing and the lack of color photographs and illustrations. Most of our historical publications of the Soviet period before the Ospreyev editions were, alas, like earthlings before Mars.

The successes of the Turks in the early Middle Ages would have been unthinkable, if they did not possess the means of remote and close combat that were perfect enough for that time, as well as armor for the soldiers and their war horses. The researchers note the significant typological diversity of weapons of the ancient Turks, that is, their high military culture. Among the innovations were manufacturing techniques for bows and arrows, bladed weapons, various personal protective equipment, as well as equipment for riders and their riding horses.

Widespread saddles with a rigid base and stirrups, thanks to which the landing of soldiers significantly strengthened, which expanded their ability to fight a horse. In the army, the ancient Turks, and even a number of nomadic peoples neighboring them, it was then that troops of cavalry cavalry appeared, which from that time became an independent branch of the nomads of the Central Asian region. Accordingly, in addition to the "Scythian tactics" of remote shooting the enemy from bows, they also had a technique such as frontal attack by the forces of heavily armed horsemen.

Of great interest in terms of studying weapons, military affairs and military art is the culture of the Western Turks who lived in the mountains and steppe regions of Semirechye in the Eastern and Western Tien Shan, as well as in Central Asia in the 6th - 8th centuries. It is important to note that the states created there also included a large part of the sedentary trade and craft population, who lived in cities and agricultural oases in East Turkestan and in Central Asia. Such a close intermingling of the nomadic Turks with the settled Iranians could not but cause the interpenetration of their cultures, and this in turn affected both the armament and the art of war of both the Western Turks and the Turgesh soldiers. The constant wars of Western Turks with Sasanian Iran also had a great influence on both those and others, which ultimately affected the improvement of military affairs in the territory of the nomadic world of the entire steppe Eurasia.


Map of the distribution of Turkic peoples.

What is the source study basis of all these judgments about the nature of the military affairs of Turks in the 6th-8th centuries? First of all, these are finds of various items of armament during the excavations of the burials of the ancient Turkic culture, as well as images of the Turkish soldiers, made on frescoes, stone sculptures, petroglyphs, as well as ancient descriptions of wars, battles and military organization of Western Turks and Turgeshes (Turgeshes Turkic people who lived on the territory of Western Dzungaria and in Semirechye, and were part of the Western Turkic kaganate. Later they created their own Turgesh kaganate, and at the end of the 7th century they led the local tribes in the fight against invasions. Arabs and Chinese. But in 711, they were defeated by the commander of the East-Turkic Kaganate, Kültegin. Then in the middle of the VIII century the Uighurs conquered the Dzungar turgeshes, and the Karluk - the Semirechenskys.) on Tien-Shan. It is noted that recently a number of works were published in which numerous finds of weapons and protective equipment belonging to Western Turkic and Turgesh soldiers were attributed and put into scientific circulation, so the experts have quite enough material for conclusions.

What conclusions did the authors of this study come to? In their opinion, the archaeological finds and extant information from ancient written sources suggest that the most important type of weapon among the Western Turks and turgises was bows and arrows, with the help of which they fought remote battles. They had compound bows of different types, which differed in the number and location of bone or horn linings on them. The swing of the kibiti shoulders in the bows of the ancient Turkic epoch was somewhat inferior to the bows of the Hunno-Sarmatian time (they were even more!), But at the same time they were more convenient to use in equestrian combat and quick-fire.


Hun bow (reconstruction). The exhibition of Attila and the Huns 2012 of the Year at the Museum of the City of Mainz.

What bone patches were used and how were they positioned? The discovered burials in Tien Shan and in Semirechie contained various bone patches: end side patches, which served to strengthen the ends of the kibiti, and the median ones, which strengthened its middle part.

So, in the ancient Türkic burial of Besh-Tash-Koroo II in the Kochkor Valley in Tien Shan, a bow was found with a kibiti length of about 125 cm, cut from solid wood. Its middle part and the ends were somewhat narrowed and oriented with their ends in the direction of shooting, while the opposite shoulders were widened and slightly flattened. On both sides of its middle part there were median overlays glued to the sides. The plates had slanting cuts for a stronger connection with a wooden base, and then the onions were also twined together with tendons in separate places.

Similar bows were found in other places, in particular, in Tuva and Minusinsk hollow.

Some linings are not only functional, but also a work of art. So, on the surface of one such lining, a hunting scene was engraved from the burial in Tash-Tyube, which depicted an archer who was shooting a deer running from a knee just from such a composite bow.

Fragments of both end and side midline and frontal lining belonging to composite bows were found in the Ala-Myshik burial in the valley of the r. Naryn on the Tien Shan. The end plates of them were narrow, long and slightly curved, while the middle frontal pad opposite it was short and narrow. The inner side of these overlays is covered with mesh cutting for more durable gluing onto the wooden base of the kibiti.

Were found and longer bows with a length of kibiti around 130 cm, common among the nomads of Central Asia, Hunnish time. That is, many nomadic peoples used them even in the early Middle Ages. But for the Eastern Turks such bows were not characteristic, but the Western ones used them in the VI-VII centuries.


Bows and archers Mongolian time. "The Fall of Baghdad." Illustration for Jami 'at-tavarikh Rashid ad-din. In the foreground - Mongol warriors in heavy weapons. On the left is the Mongol siege weapon.

They were used by the Turks and "Kushano-Sasanian" bows with a short middle part, steeply curved shoulders and straight ends, located at an angle to the shoulders. They were probably the result of the borrowing that took place in all wars and at all times.

The main thing that is emphasized by the researchers is that the bows, which belonged to Western Turks and Turgeshes, were oriented towards firing at the enemy, who had good protection, because they were used in wars with armies of the sedentary agricultural states of Central Asia and Iran.

At the disposal of the ancient Türkic archers there was a large selection of arrows for various purposes with two-, three- or even four-blade tips, with flat, triangular, tetrahedral and round feathers in cross section, and a petiole. For the second half I thousand n. er The most widely used were arrows with three stabilizing blades that could rotate in flight. Bone whistles were often put on shafts behind the tips, whistling in the air. It is believed that three-bladed arrows were the most perfect in the aeroballistic respect and were widely used already in the Hunnish period and later until the late Middle Ages.


Turkic arrowheads.

The three-lobed tips found in the Turkic burials, on average, had a length of 5 cm, with a pen width of 3, and a petiole 11 long, see. At the same time on the blades you can see rounded holes, and on the petioles - bone balls-whistlers, having three holes. In addition to the three-bladed arrows, the Western Turks sometimes used arrows with flat iron tips.


An armor-piercing three-blade tip of a Turkic type.

Such tips appeared in the Hunnish era, but were rarely used then. But they became widespread later, when the Mongol nomadic tribes dominated in Central Asia. Arrows with such tips are somewhat inferior to those in which they are three-bladed, but they are easier for mass production and have greater speed at short distances.


Ampolate tip with emphasis: Yenisei Kyrgyz, 1 thousand AD The early Middle Ages.

There are ten types of three-bladed, seven types of flat, two types of two-bladed and one type of tips with four lobes - that is, the whole developed system. The western Turks and Turgeshes had six types of three-bladed and one type of flat tips. Apparently, they did not need more.

Iron peak-like tips with a combat part rounded in cross section are also of a rare type. Perhaps they were used specifically to push the rings at the chain mail. One such tip was found in a Turkic burial on the territory of East Kazakhstan.


Impressive arrowheads of the Yenisei Kyrgyz: two armor-piercing and two for shooting at the enemy without armor and at horses.

The fact that there is a significant group and typological diversity of armor-piercing arrowheads at the Western Turks and Turgeshes indicates an increase in the role of shooting at the enemy, dressed in protective armor. The only difference is that there are four types of tetrahedral tips in the eastern Turks, while in the western - only one type.

Bone arrowheads belonging to the Turks are also found, although rarely. They have a three-sided pen shape, 3 length, cm, 1 feather width, cm, 3 stem size, cm. The tips have an acute-angled tip and sloping hangers. Three types of bone tips were found in the eastern Turks.

The arrows of the Turkic soldiers were kept in birch bark or in wooden quivers. Western Turks had a quiver with a wooden frame and bottom, and were covered with birch bark. Pure wooden quivers were found in ancient Türkic burials with horses in the Tien Shan. In the burial of Besh-Tash-Koroo I, in barrow No. 15, they found a birchbark quiver with a receiver, which then extended to the bottom. It is about X cm long and about cm long, but in Besh-Tash-Koroo II in the barrow No. 80 they found a quiver also with a wooden successor about 3 m in length, the bottom of which was decorated with carved ornamentation.


Asian onion and its accessories:
1 - arrowheads: a - a bronze cast vtulchaty type of Scythian time, b - iron petiolate with whistlers, c - a method of fixing the petiole in the shaft of the arrow; 2 - Asian bow with a lowered bowstring (a), with a stretched bowstring (b) and at the time of the shot and maximum tension (c), bamboo bows (d); 3 - compound bow and its device: a - wood parts, b - horn parts, c - thread braid, d - birch bark (bast) for covering, d - tendons for winding the most stressed parts, e - onion parts in section : black is a horn, gray is wood, white is skinning or bast; 4 - arrows: a is a feathered arrow with a straight shaft, b is a barley grain shaft, and c is a tapered shaft; g is a tendon string; 5 - archers' protective rings: a - bronze with inscription in Farsi, b - bronze for the thumb of the right hand, c - silver, decorated with engraving; 6 - bowstring tension techniques: a - with a ring on the thumb of the left hand, b - one-finger technique, c - with two, d - with three, d - the "Mediterranean" way of pulling the bowstring, e - Mongolian; 7 is a birch bark quiver with bone decorative overlays for arrows stored upward.

Why did the quivers expand down? Yes, because the arrows in such quivers were placed tips up, and the plumage was at the bottom. In the ancient Türkic monuments of Tien Shan, such quiver accessories as belt buckles and quiver hooks were also found.

That is, the conclusion that the authors of this study make is the following: the soldiers of the Turkic Kaganate were archery soldiers, and they were mounted and fired at the enemy directly from the horse. At the same time, they had a highly developed “culture of bows and arrows”, bows perfected in their design and various carefully crafted arrowheads, including those that, along with the tail, allowed them to rotate in flight. The tips were both armor-piercing, designed to defeat the soldiers in chain mail, and broad-blade, to defeat the enemy's horses. The wide wound made by such a tip caused a strong blood loss and weakened the animal.

To be continued ...
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  1. +2
    23 August 2017 07: 04
    Yes, apparently they did not dare to write the Bulgarian soldiers, but they lived side by side with the Russian ancestors and fought and traded, so they waited for them to write, because the conversation was about Western Turks!
  2. +4
    23 August 2017 07: 05
    We look forward to continuing. I don’t understand why the author positions the Turgesh separately from the Türks. Indeed, under the Türks is meant a large number of different tribes and peoples. If we separately mention the Turgeshs, then it is worth talking separately about the Kyrgyz, Uyghurs, Karakalpaks, Karluks, Kimaks, Kipchaks, Oguzes, Seljuks, Kangyuy, Usuns, Zhuan Zhuan, etc. etc.
    1. +2
      23 August 2017 22: 38
      The Uighurs of antiquity are Oguzes, also known as Pechenegs or Berendeys with black hoods (Karakalpaks). Modern Uighurs do not belong to them. Kimaki and Kipchaks are also one and the same, there are the Kangyu, or as the Kangly call them today. Uysuni except that they stand on the specimen. Well, juan-juan is already an ancient Chinese name for those whom the ancient Türks called the word Apar, and in Europe they were recognized as Avars, and the Slavs called them images.
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        21 September 2017 19: 32
        Uyghurs (Uygh. ئۇيغۇرلار, Uyғurlar, Chinese. 维吾尔, Wéiwú'ěr) are the Turkic indigenous people of East Turkestan, now the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of the PRC. By religion - Sunni Muslims. Uyghur language belongs to the Turkic language group. Uyghurs are a Turkic-speaking people, the vast majority of whom live in a region called Xinjiang in the far west of China.
        1. +1
          23 September 2017 15: 29
          Well? And what were they called until 1921? Sartami! Taranchi, Kashgarli and other shtetl names.
  3. +4
    23 August 2017 07: 50
    Arrowheads ... just cartridges of that era .. for all occasions .. We look forward to continuing, thanks ...
    1. +2
      23 August 2017 08: 13
      No, not just cartridges ... Even now, some professional hunters prefer to "close up" the ammunition on their own, not trusting in-line production. And even then, the gunners were known in person, with all the ensuing consequences.
  4. +4
    23 August 2017 08: 52
    Very interesting and informative article. I look forward to continuing.
  5. +1
    23 August 2017 10: 22
    An armor-piercing three-blade tip of a Turkic type.

    It looks like a typical incendiary. Point - so that the arrow could stick even in a dry and hard tree. Limiter-blades - this is to stick the arrow only to a certain depth and allow the incendiary winding to burn freely and at the same time to scorch what the arrow stuck into. An arrow without a limiter may not stick into a tree, but break through it, as a result of breaking the incendiary winding, or even completely extinguishing it. As an option, try to pierce the chain mail with this arrow, or at least a quilted one - you will get nonsense.
    1. +4
      23 August 2017 12: 44
      The author clearly made a mistake.
      In the era of the early Middle Ages, the ancient Turks and other Turkish-speaking nomads significantly increased the typological diversity of the iron arrowheads compared to the previous period. Ancient Türkic archers had the opportunity to hit their opponents at a distance of arrow flight with tips with a two-, three-, four-bladed, flat, trihedral, tetrahedral, round cross-sectional feather. A leading quantitatively group among the iron arrowheads of the ancient Turks throughout the existence of the ancient Turkic culture, in the second half of the XNUMXst millennium e., there were three-blade arrows. They had a three-beam cross-sectional feather that could rotate in flight. Bone whistles with holes were emitted on the shafts of some arrows, emitting a piercing whistle in flight. Three-lobed arrows are considered to be the most aeroballistically perfect group among medieval tips. In Central Asia, these arrows began to be widely used in the Hunnic period and continued to be used until the late Middle Ages. Three-lobed arrows were the most common group of tips also in the Western Turks.
      All these types of arrows were designed to fire and defeat an enemy not protected by the shell. In addition to the three-bladed arrows, Western Türks sometimes used arrows with flat iron tips to shoot at such targets.
      Vedernikov Yu.A. et al. Ballistics from arrows to rockets / Yu. A. Vedernikov, Yu. S. Khudyakov, A. I. Omelaev. Novosibirsk, 1995.
      Khudyakov Yu. S. Armament of the medieval nomads of South Siberia and Central Asia. Novosibirsk, 1986.

      Armor-piercing arrows.
  6. Cat
    +6
    23 August 2017 14: 57
    Vyacheslav Olegovich thanks for the article!
  7. +4
    23 August 2017 14: 58
    in the picture, the fall of Baghdad if you don’t know that the Arabs were defending, then the soldiers could not be distinguished from each other .. then the Fomenkovites will attack and tell that they are not Mongols whom we all knew was not, but a civil war among Arabs ...
    1. +5
      23 August 2017 18: 01
      the Mongols fought bare-chested (so much more handy!), and the Russians built the Great Wall of China. laughing Proved by the forum participants drinks
      1. +4
        23 August 2017 18: 35
        You make a fool of our brother, Nikolai, and sisters, like us! Teach topwar classics, they have long proved that the Great Proto-Ary Wall was erected by the carriers of the XXL haplogroup ... (and hereinafter).
        1. +5
          23 August 2017 18: 43
          yeah, the reverend spread out all the haplogroups. laughing esteemed Viktor Nikolaevich (Kurios) once put forward a bold theory that if you follow the teachings of the Venerable (haplogroups), it turns out that it was the ancient Slavs who ate Cook without salt and without onion laughing drinks
      2. +2
        23 August 2017 19: 30
        well, is there any arguing against such authorities ... they will spit out haplogroups ..
        1. +1
          23 August 2017 19: 33
          haplogroups first. Then they will also begin to hang epithets fellow
          1. +3
            23 August 2017 20: 10
            Ek, you are sophisticated and pisant, Nikolai! I would say, "they will begin to encircle the Moramoi." But I am a miserable and anfan terible.
            1. +4
              23 August 2017 20: 16
              That is, Anton, do you think that not a single amateur, not even a professional haplogroup, can stand the terms of a professional builder? laughing with cheers-patriots you learn to control yourself inevitably. And then you’ll answer to some boor “mother”, and you’re in the ban. request so you have to develop vocabulary and control emotions! (because if banned, I will lose more - communication with you all) drinks
              1. +3
                23 August 2017 21: 14
                Yes, everything is simple, pure physics, the opposite poles are attracted. The plebeians, namely, they form the urapatriotic cohort, beckons and scares the "high calm". Refined intellect pulls in the mud. I try to comply with both of them, periodically changing diametrically tonality (very “interlocutors” are sobering). I consider mat a professional jargon. With normal, adequate and just good people - polite and correct, even if I consider them wrong.
                1. +2
                  23 August 2017 22: 07
                  Write in your native Hebrew / Yiddish - you won’t be mistaken.
                  1. +1
                    24 August 2017 03: 49
                    And you shalom, reb!
                  2. +3
                    24 August 2017 09: 18
                    Andrei, do you think that every person with the right literary language can be written in Jews? wink drinks The Lord is with you! wink
                    1. +1
                      24 August 2017 09: 42
                      Each person with a racially faithful Russophobic approach.
                      1. +3
                        24 August 2017 09: 53
                        Anton and I do not explicitly classify ourselves with Russophobia laughing
          2. +2
            25 August 2017 17: 42
            Mikado "haplogroups first. Then they will start to hang up epithets."
            It’s a pity plus only one and I have already used it.))) To the point it is said.)))
            1. +6
              25 August 2017 17: 53
              it will be so! Here, those who disagree with the "general line of the party of the Ura-Ancient Slavs-Bolsheviks-patriots" (and I can accept and share points of view for each item only by looking at which ones and communicate with any of these people) immediately earn a nickname ( short list): "son_do_my", "zh_idov_stvuyushchiy", "Russophobe", "Japanese spy." I cited only those epithets that I myself saw on the forum in 2017, moderators should not have complaints against me - I didn’t say that hi . Some generally write a five-minute revealing novel on the page. fellow proving that you are their ideological enemy, and they are not at all against your mass execution - they say that only this can 100% save the Motherland. laughing "We’ll only shoot you, dear man, and we will live in such a way that everyone will be jealous!" drinks
              1. +1
                25 August 2017 18: 18
                About a spy is generally an intellectual bacchanalia. More evidence that history is spiraling. Only in our case could Fibonacci describe it. Since the turns are unstable and tend to collapse at a speed that goes beyond the bounds of human understanding. Alas. crying
                1. +2
                  25 August 2017 18: 25
                  how the coils are unstable and tend to collapse at a speed that goes beyond the bounds of human understanding.

                  before that, only Kurios and Marat were racking my brains ...... laughing drinks and one customer who wrote me the word “extrapolate” in correspondence. When this word was repeated by V.O. Shpakovsky on the forum, I already neighing in the voice. wassat
                  so who is miserable there? wink drinks
                  bacchanalia is not bacchanalia, but many think according to the principle: "everyone who is not with us is against us." Thank God that they haven’t shot yet! laughing
                  1. +1
                    25 August 2017 18: 50
                    I am a miserable, I am. There is no "tower", no family (in the traditional sense), no home ... There is experience, a brain and a desire to learn (Lomonosov, damn it). And in the art of addiction, frankly, mundane. As for Fibonacci, this is my (civilian) wife — a mathematician. The Fibonacci number series ideally describes regular spirals. I can develop, but in a "personal", so as not to clog the ether for the stubborn.
                    1. +2
                      25 August 2017 19: 02
                      all in your hands! hi drinks
                      strong words were said. Accept my respect! hi "miserable" leave to someone else. stop You definitely won’t refuse in your mind. Yes
                      1. +1
                        25 August 2017 20: 13
                        Thank! I can’t compete with my wife, but I try.
              2. +1
                25 August 2017 18: 27
                One joy, they will shoot us (although there is a big question of who is who), they will take for our comrades-in-arms. Maybe the world will get better. "Our mournful corpse will not be lost." Sorry, Alexander Sergeevich!
                1. +2
                  25 August 2017 18: 33
                  laws of the universe! after seizing power, it must be divided. fellow Okay, tip on the tongue. stop One must be kinder to each other, despite the sometimes different points of view. drinks
                  1. +1
                    25 August 2017 19: 15
                    And who is Marat? I know a few personally, well, and so: the leader of the French Revolution, Kazei, a cruiser (many argue - battleship, but we have already discussed this).
    2. +3
      23 August 2017 18: 24
      Ours should have white turbans there, and bad guys have black ones.
      1. +3
        23 August 2017 18: 44
        and for ours, the sword should be cast in blue light, and for enemies in red.
        1. +1
          23 August 2017 20: 12
          That is not the soul for this series.
          1. +2
            23 August 2017 20: 19
            yes with me too. I recalled this phrase from a Goblin translation, "Lord of the Rings." It is impossible to watch this tolkensky series without its translation (personally for me! If someone likes it - thank God, to each his own).
            1. +1
              24 August 2017 11: 49
              Quote: Mikado
              It is impossible to watch this interpretation without this translation

              Perhaps, but only once. Another thing is Storm in a Glass or Caribbean Crisis. Although not a Goblin, but sometimes I revise it. While the originals from the collection are already somewhere lost, which I do not regret.
              Antiofftop. Do not offend alternatives. This is our national treasure. For example, here is an article on how RI geodesy in the 18th century was superior to the British in head. http://apxiv.livejournal.com/75858.html The article is not about this, but that our story is fake, but it doesn’t matter. It is important that since then I started looking for where to download the aforementioned documents - the atlas of the Russian Empire in 1745 and the English Britannic in 1771. Now let’s imagine that this would be another article where another historian would nudge on the topic “love your native history, your mother”. I wouldn’t even read this.
              1. +1
                24 August 2017 11: 50
                It is important that since then I started looking for where to download the aforementioned documents - the atlas of the Russian Empire in 1745 and the English Britannic in 1771.

                there is no silver lining, as they say drinks
              2. +1
                24 August 2017 20: 24
                But who offends them !? Just some people know the numbers of battalions, squadrons and the names of the people who fought in them (for example, Anisimov and Martyanov). And some operate with haplogroups, considering their navel, the ultimate truth. Moreover, while the former openly say that they are engaged in science fiction, the latter, fanatically and indisputably, "carry garbage to the masses."
                1. +1
                  25 August 2017 11: 52
                  then Blavatsky, Muldashev and the “three-eyed people” will go. laughing drinks
        2. +2
          23 August 2017 22: 41
          and those with green swords, where should they go? winked
          1. +2
            24 August 2017 03: 45
            Either at Greenpeace, or to Makhno. wink
  8. 0
    23 August 2017 22: 02
    Opus Gorelika M.V. “Armies of the Mongol-Tatars of the X-XIV centuries. Military art, equipment, weapons ”, as always, is a colorful dummy built on misinformation about defensive weapons (which was absent as a class) among the Turkic-speaking nomadic tribes of the early Middle Ages.
    1. +3
      23 August 2017 22: 43
      Fig yourself! In fact, the ancient Turks were the first to invent steel - damask steel! Due to this, they conquered such spaces of the Turkic Kaganate ... It is plate armor that belongs to them as an invention.
      1. +1
        23 August 2017 23: 53
        Damask was first described by Aristotle in the 4 century BC, when there were no Turks even in the project.
        1. +3
          24 August 2017 00: 15
          Quote: Operator
          Damask was first described by Aristotle in the 4 century BC, when there were no Turks even in the project.

          Damask is described by the ancient Greeks? !! Where, in what composition? Aristotle wrote so, with the Turkic word "damask"? !!! Can you quote a text from Aristotle, or did you just blur out this way?
          The ancient Greeks fled with bronze weapons, where did they come from not only steel but damask steel ?! laughing
          And by the way, they were not called Turks at that time, but the Greeks knew them well and called them the word SKUT (Scythians) - Scythians served as mercenaries in Athens ...
          1. 0
            24 August 2017 02: 28
            What do you smoke - Scythians were Iranian-speaking.

            Steel, called damask steel in Russia, was called a pulad in Iran, and a university in India.

            Aristotle called this alloy "white iron" (according to the color of the workpieces supplied to the weapons workshops), the Greeks first met her during the expedition of Alexander the Great to India, where it was invented in the 7-8 centuries BC.
            1. +3
              24 August 2017 09: 13
              Quote: Operator
              What do you smoke - Scythians were Iranian-speaking.

              Did the Scythians tell you that ?! laughing
              Chronicles say that the Scythians were precisely Türks and Türkic-speaking! hi

              I repeat - give an excerpt from Aristotle, where he describes exactly Bulat ?! White iron can be just iron or steel. Moreover, the Indian university is not white, but dark gray. Otherwise, it's just balobolism.
              Bulat is a Turkic word and is brought to Russia through the Türks, who invented it in Altai.
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                24 August 2017 09: 44
                Yes, yes, yes: the Pulad is the Turkic word, but the Scythians / Sarmatians / Saks were completely gibbering in the Tungus language laughing

                What kind of “chronicles” did the Scythians have?
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                  24 August 2017 12: 25
                  Does the name of such a minister and actor as Pulat Bul-Bul Oglu say nothing? Name Bulat, Bekbulat not heard not? One even sat on the Russian throne with that name - Simeon Bekbolatovich! wassat
                  And by the way, the Türks do not speak the Tunguska language, but the Türkic, if you do not understand, then do not make yourself a fool! lol

                  As for the annals, for example:

                  I quote Menander Protector, a Byzantine diplomat (end of the 6th century):

                  book Henry Yule "Cathay and the Way Thither" v.1 (Oxford Edition)

                  p.206
                  Note viii
                  From the Fragments of Menander Protector (end of sixth century)

                  ... When this second Turkish embassy arrived at the Persian court, the king, with the Persian ministers and Katulphus, came to the conclusion that it would be highly inexpedient for the Persians to enter into friendly relations with the Turks, for the whole race of the Scythians was one not to be trusted ...

                  ... When this second Turkic embassy arrived at the Persian court, the king, together with the ministers and Katulfus, came to the conclusion that it would be extremely impractical for the Persians to enter into friendly relations with the Turks, since in the whole race Scythians there is no one to trust ...

                  or from there

                  p.207
                  ... The Emperor when he had by aid of the interpreters read the letter, which was written in Scythian, gave a gracious reception to the embassy, ​​and then put questions to them about the government and country of the Turks ...

                  ... The Emperor (Byzantium) when he read with the help of translators this letter, which was written Scythian, graciously accepted this embassy, ​​and then asked questions about the rule and country of the Turks ...

                  ... Now Justin, when the Turks, who were anciently called Sacae, had sent to arrange a treaty with him, resolved to send them an embassy also ...

                  ... Now Justin, after the Türks, called in antiquity Blazers, sent (people) to conclude an agreement with him, he also decided to send an embassy to them ...


                  Those. it is directly indicated from the text that the Türks are Scythians or Saks. There is also a Russian edition.
                  The source of the quote is the book of Yu. N. Drozdov: "Turkic-speaking period of European history." This book has many quotes from various ancient and medieval sources:
                  So, in the letter of the Italian Albert Kampense to Pope Clement VII, written in 1523 or 1524, it says: "The Scythians, now called the Tatars, are nomadic people and have long been famous for their warlike character."

                  In the middle of the sixteenth century, the Venetian ambassador Marco Foscarino, in his Report on Muscovy, describing the peoples surrounding Muscovy, noted: "To the east live the Scythians, who are now called the Tatars; you will learn about their character, like all other peoples, below."
                  And further: "To the east of the Volki River, vast deserts and plains populated by the Scythians, that is, the Tatars and Amaxobii (Amaxobii), stretch."

                  Michalon Litwin wrote in 1550: "Although the Tatars (tartari) are considered barbarians and savages in our country, they, however, boast of the moderation of life and antiquity of their Scythian tribe, claiming that it comes from the seed of Abraham, and they have never been to anyone slavery, although sometimes they were defeated by Alexander, Darius, Cyrus, Xerxes and other kings and more powerful peoples. "

                  The envoy of the English queen Giles Fletcher, describing the Crimean Tatars, noted in 1591: "This is the same people that the Greeks and Romans sometimes called Scythians nomads, or Scythians shepherds."

                  The French captain Jacques Margeret in 1607 published a book about Muscovy. There he wrote: "The word" Scythians "is still called the Tatars, who were formerly rulers of Russia ..."

                  In the Kiev synopsis, first published in 1674, it says: "Savromania, or Sarmacia, the country is all in the same Europe, the third part of the world, the lot of Afetov, both of which are purely one: Scythian, and now Scythians or Tatars .."

                  The Czech Jesuit Jiri David in 1690 noted: "There is no doubt that the Scythians and Sarmatians, some of whom later became known as Tatars, called their rulers, who were at the head of the horde (something like a tribe), nothing other than" sar "."


                  Those. as we see before, they knew perfectly well who the Scythians were and who their descendants were. In the 20th century, history began to be redrawn to please the rulers. The theory of the Iranian linguistics of the Scythians remained a theory, but it was completely unproven, as the apologist of this theory Miller wrote in Ossetian Studies.
                  You yourself can be convinced of this easily simply by correlating the traditions of the peoples. Which of the modern ethnic groups has nomadic traditions in Eurasia? Only the Turks. Which of the ethnic groups lived in collapsible yurts? Only the Turks. Which of the modern ethnic groups uses the mare's milk and eats horsemeat? Only the Turks. What kind of people live throughout the Scythian area with all of these traditions? Turki ...
                  Now let's see - what Iranian-speaking people live within Eurasia? Tajiks and Ossetians. But what is surprising is that they don’t have any nomadic traditions at all, just as there are no culinary traditions inherent in the Scythians ... Voila!
                  Of course there are still Mongols, but they have all the nomadic traditions inherited precisely from the Türks from the 15-16 centuries.
                  1. +1
                    24 August 2017 12: 32
                    Bul Bul, speak? laughing

                    What, damn it, Scythians could have been in the Black Sea region (not to mention Central Asia) in the 6 century of our era, when at that time they were successively ousted from the Black Sea region first by the Antes, then the Scandinavians, the Ostrogoths, and then the Turkic-speaking Huns, Avars, etc. .d.?

                    You tie up with quoting Italians, Lithuanians, English, Czechs and Poles of the 16-17 centuries of our era - they knew Scythians like a pig in oranges.
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                      24 August 2017 13: 26
                      When did the Antes Slavs oust the Scythians from the Black Sea ?! What nonsense? !! Do you already come up with it yourself or is it already from fomenkoids? laughing
                      Well, who would know about the Scythians, then probably those who lived closer in time to them, and not modern wretched historians ...
                      Where do you think the Scythians disappeared? Flew on vimans to distant lands?
                      No, they stayed where they lived, they were simply not called Scythians, but by their tribal names. They still live there, just now they are called all Türks.
                      The only written evidence left to us from the Scythians is the Turkic runic inscription on a bronze dish from the Issyk Scythian barrow, this is where the Golden Man was found:
                      http://www.gumilev-center.ru/issykskaya-nadpis-26
                      00-letnejj-davnosti-dve-stroki-sakskogo-pisma-izm
                      enivshikh-vzglyad-na-istoriyu-tyurkov /

                      Well, or here you have modern American studies, I hope you can master English: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615

                      So get out of your head all this "Iranian-speaking" stuff! tongue
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                        24 August 2017 20: 15
                        sorry, maybe I'm certainly wrong, but it seems like the Greeks bought grain from the Scythians? and where did the nomads come from? Yes, and the Scythian treasures contain a lot of things but I haven’t seen about writing. Maybe I missed it, but it seems there are no references to Scythian writing.
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    23 August 2017 22: 14
    Good introductory. Only the material is presented somewhat messy: either the emphasis is on global things, such as the general distribution of the Turks, or the recession is unnecessarily deployed in particular, such as varieties of arrowheads.
    Nevertheless, the most correct coverage of this topic is from general to particular. For instance:
    1. A brief historical background on the origin of the Turks, their progress, the created states. You can even refer to the modern spread of the Turkic-speaking peoples.
    2. Their influence on other peoples and the general contribution to history, in particular to the military.
    3. Tactics and related weapons complex
    4. And here is the description of the complex - armor and weapons. There is already the main body of the article (in several parts) with consistent detailed coverage.
    And then here all these points are mixed up in different ways several times.
  10. +1
    24 August 2017 04: 59
    Shpakovsky Well, finally, the drawing of Angus McBride! Damn and why I'm not surprised !!!
  11. 0
    24 August 2017 13: 41
    Quote: Aposlya
    http://www.gumilev-center.ru/issykskaya-nadpis-26
    00-letnejj-davnosti-dve-stroki-sakskogo-pisma-izm
    enivshikh-vzglyad-na-istoriyu-tyurkov /

    This is a complete scribe, not a "Turkic" inscription, variants of its "translation", so to speak:

    "Elder brother (this) is the hearth for you
    Stranger, bow down! The offspring [may have] food ”
     
    "Lonely person / drinking a useless person / arak (milk vodka)
    Alas, drink / evil wildness / arak
    Be obedient to drink / a little "
     
    "King Ong-Er, Charik,
    You are soldiers
    Go!
    Hero volunteers, rise to heaven
    Reach the (eternal) peace! "
     
    "In memory of Kochu the white house,
    Ugushgu, for the husband of Oguz drew "

    "If food and homeland are far away, a friend will remain below, Utashta Khan will become the master"
     
    "The son of the king, at twenty three (thirty three), died
    His name and fame became dust. "
     
    "One whose Majesty you praise
    became an arrow belonging to space
    He is Zeus
    going to the leadership as having won the race, (reach) the space seat 
    (is) name accepted name "

    Those. each next Turkic-speaking "scientist" simply fantasizes, stroking the runic inscription on a golden dish, which has not yet been deciphered.
    1. +2
      24 August 2017 15: 56
      And so what ?!

      1. Türkic languages ​​are divided into dialects and what dialect the Uisuney Sak tribes had in those days no one knows - one word can have a bunch of meanings, it all depends on what kind of dialect of the Türkic language it matters.
      2. Scientists still argue HOW exactly the inscription was written - from left to right or vice versa, since runic inscriptions allow spelling and so on.
      3. In this inscription, the words are inseparable, they are in solid text, therefore, accurate reading is difficult.

      Alas, its decoding can already be done, and maybe everything is still ahead, since the inscription is archaic in itself. But she does not sweep away the most important thing - these are the Turkic runes, which were also used during the Turkic Khanate on the stele of Kultegin in the 7th century A.D. It’s just that it was possible to decipher it on the stele, since next was the same inscription made by Chinese characters, i.e. the key to decryption was right there, and it was also clear there with the separation of words.

      So alas, the Scythians are Turkish-speaking tribes, not Iranian-speaking tribes. By the way, the Persians never had tribes for your information! lol
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        24 August 2017 16: 18
        Do not confuse Iranian-speaking tribes / peoples (e.g. Kurds) with Persians proper.
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          24 August 2017 17: 27
          And then the Kurds then ?! They have no nomadic traditions. This is originally a sedentary people like the Persians (Iranians). And the origin of the Kurds is so confusing that it is quite possible that they are just an Iranized people, although they used to have a completely different language! wink
          1. 0
            24 August 2017 18: 39
            You never know who used to have a different language (like Azerbaijanis - Semites) laughing
            1. +1
              24 August 2017 21: 30
              As I see it, you do not think anything at all in the ethnogenesis of peoples! laughing
              The very name of their people is Azeri Turk. The word Azeri consists of two words Az and Ep, i.e. "Asa's men." They are the descendants of the Toguz-Oghuz that settled there after the conquest of the Caucasus by the Turks ....
              Yes, they have Kurdish and Semitic inclusions of peoples in the form of descendants of the Persians and Talysh, whose descendants give J2 years ... so what? For your information, the percentage of Azerbaijanis in Iran is up to 40%, and their current highest head (rakhbar) Ali Hosseini Khamenei is Turk, an Azerbaijani by origin!
              Russians have it up to 20% of Semitic blood .... What’s wrong with that? laughing
              Where is the confirmation of your words about the Iranian language of the Scythians? !!! Or are you stupidly balabol? !!!
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                24 August 2017 23: 14
                Haplotype of Azerbaijanis - 58% Semites


                In the population of the Russian Federation, the share of carriers of the Semitic haplogroups J1 and J2 is 4 percent, mainly Chechens and Ingush.
                1. +1
                  25 August 2017 00: 31
                  Well, from you there will be evidence of "Iranian-speaking" of the Scythians? Or are we moving off the topic again? Would you like to hear an argument?
                  And by the way, your schedule includes not only Azeri Turks, but also other peoples. Read better here:
                  http://www.proza.ru/2014/12/20/1146
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                    25 August 2017 10: 04
                    Quote: Aposlya
                    your schedule takes into account not only Azeri Turks, but also other peoples

                    Do Azerbaijanis in Azerbaijan belong to national minorities? laughing
                    1. +1
                      25 August 2017 13: 21
                      Well, this is exactly the same sutuevina as the Jews:
                      haplogroup J1c3d - 17.3%,
                      haplogroup E1b1b1 - 18.2%,
                      haplogroup J2a4 - 16.3%,
                      haplogroup R1b - 14.9%,
                      haplogroup I - 3.9%,
                      haplogroup Q1b - 3.6%,
                      haplogroup J2b - 4.2%,
                      haplogroup G (G1, G2a, G2c) - 7.5%,
                      haplogroup R2 - 1.6%,
                      haplogroup R1a1 - 7.9%,
                      haplogroup T1 - 3.1%,
                      haplogroup E1 (xE1b1b1) - 1.4%.

                      If you take your logic, then the Jews are not Semites, but a sort of mixture with a large interspersed "Aryans"! So all these haplogroups are complete rubbish and nothing more. You will not find a people with only one haplogroup, well, maybe some lost tribe in the forests of the Amazon! laughing
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                        25 August 2017 13: 29
                        For Jews, the sum of Semitic J1 + J2 is 37%, for Azerbaijanis it is 58% (dominant). The former are mestizos, the latter are Semites.

                        Therefore, the term “anti-Semitism” (which refers to Arabs, Azerbaijanis, Ingush, Chechens, Persians, Turks and Kurds) is not applicable to Jews. In Western countries, another term is used - "anti-Semitism".
    2. +1
      24 August 2017 15: 58
      And by the way, I would like to hear or see from you evidence of Iranian-speaking Scythians ...

      As I understand it, you have not mastered the article in English ... Is there a lot of bukaf? laughing
      1. 0
        24 August 2017 16: 25
        Here you have it with English letters - a map of the settlement of Iranian-speaking peoples in the 1 century BC

        1. +3
          24 August 2017 17: 31
          laughing
          Those. do you think this map with English letters proves that the Scythians were Persians ?!
          The modern map does not carry at least any information other than the approximate borders of countries BC and there is your evidence? !!! what wassat
          Damn ... I am aware that after the collapse of the USSR, education sank greatly ... but not so much? crying
  12. +1
    24 August 2017 21: 21
    long in stock.,
    So what? The Pontic Greeks had a description of how the Scythians plowed and sowed the land of the Scythians every year at a certain time, the crop of which the Greeks then bought ...
    Kazakhs, for example, seem to be like nomadic people? But in the 18th century in the Orenburg province alone, up to 400 thousand poods of grain were purchased from the Kazakhs. Or here’s the description of Almaty in the notes of 1853 of Major Peremyshlsky, the man who founded the Zailiysky and Verny fortification on the site of the modern city:
    8 August, 1853

    Kargaly

    G. Corps Commander

    I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined with the engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky the first and second Almaty and the valley between them, we found the convenience of logging, a lot of beautiful, the crooked ditches of arable land, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlement, and through occupation of this point all the best nomadic and arable lands of Dulat will be at hand. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

    (the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed)

    As we see the nomadic people had cities and lands where there were man-made irrigation ditches for irrigation on the lands of the Dulat tribe - the Kazakh tribe of the Elder Zhuz ...
    Yes, the Türks and in particular the Kazakhs, like their ancestors, were nomadic people, but confusing the nomadism as the meaning of life among the Roma and the nomadic among the Türks whose livestock herding was just a way of managing would be great stupidity, or rather ignorance of the subject conversation.
  13. +1
    25 August 2017 16: 02
    Operator,
    Well, so what ?! fellow
    haplogroups do not prove anything at all! Moreover, the Azerbaijanian gg J is not dominant, but 15%.
    As fools with candy wrappers rush with these years, by golly!
    1. +1
      25 August 2017 17: 57
      Aposlya "Well, so what ?!
      haplogroups do not prove anything at all! Moreover, the Azerbaijanian gg J is not dominant, but 15%.
      How foolish with candy wrappers rush with these gg, I swear! "
      Well, I’ll bother all familiar Azerbaijanis now.))) Aposlya, in the West, it seems to me that all of our steppes were called Scythians, then Tartars.))) And the steppes near Orenburg are Tatar.))) I already brought here one modern Anglo-Saxon researcher. He wrote the Tatar pancake of the steppe near Orenburg.))) But seriously I know for certain that my ancestors from the side of the Kazakh grandfather in the 19th century lived in houses built of stone. Not in adobe. It was the village of Priisk-Kumak, Orenburg province. They say the skeletons of the buildings remained.
      1. +1
        25 August 2017 18: 10
        In the west, it seems to me that in the west all of our steppes were called Scythians, then Tartars.))) And the steppes near Orenburg are Tatar.)))

        The best answer to this was given by Viktor Nikolaevich (Curios) under an article by Denis Brig about the Chancellor expedition (published on the same day as this article):
        "Map of Tartaria in the third volume of the first edition of the Brittany, 1771
        “As follows from the British Encyclopedia of 1771, there was a huge country Tartaria, the provinces of which had different sizes. The largest province of this empire was called the Great Tartary and covered the lands of Western Siberia, Eastern Siberia and the Far East. In the southeast, it adjoined Chinese Tartary (Chinese Tartary) [request not to be confused with China (China)]. In the south of Great Tartary was the so-called Independent Tartary [Central Asia]. Tibetan Tartaria (Tibet) was located northwest of China and southwest of Chinese Tartaria. In the north of India was the Mongolian Tartaria (Mogul Empire) (modern Pakistan). The Uzbek Tartaria (Bukaria) was sandwiched between Independent Tartaria in the north; Chinese Tartaria in the northeast; Tibetan Tartary in the southeast; Mongolian Tartaria in the south and Persia in the southwest. In Europe, there were also several Tartaries: Muscovy or Moscow Tartaria (Muscovite Tartary), Kuban Tartaria (Kuban Tartars) and Little Tartaria (Little Tartary).
        "
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          25 August 2017 18: 44
          Quote: Mikado
          “As follows from the British Encyclopedia of 1771, there was a huge country Tartaria, the provinces of which had different sizes.


          And now we read the English version:
          From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          Tartary (Latin: Tartaria) or Great Tartary (Latin: Tartaria Magna) was a name used from the Middle Ages until the twentieth century to designate the great tract of northern and central Asia stretching from the Caspian Sea and the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean , settled mostly by Turko-Mongol peoples after the Mongol invasion and the subsequent Turkish migrations.

          I hope now I understand?

          Quote: Mikado
          In the north of India was the Mongolian Tartaria (Mogul Empire)


          There is a big difference between the Mongols and the Mughals! The Mongols are the descendants of the Tungus (the people of Donghu), and the Mughals are the Turks, the descendants of the Scythians, Huns, Dinlin, etc.
      2. +2
        25 August 2017 18: 40
        Quote: Nagaibak
        In the west, it seems to me that in the west all of our steppes were called Scythians, then tartars.

        Actually, tarTar is translated from English as Tatar! wink
        Modern freaks are worn with these TARTARS and Magna Tartaria, but there are not enough brains to see, at least open a dictionary on the Internet! laughing

        Quote: Nagaibak
        And the steppes near Orenburg are Tatar.

        So these steppes have been Kazakh since the time of the Golden Horde, if not even earlier from the Turkic Kaganate. The same city of Orienburg was rebuilt as the headquarters of Abulkhair Khan (Khan of the Younger Zhuz) on the river Or.

        Quote: Nagaibak
        my ancestors from the side of the grandfather of the Kazakh in the 19th century lived in houses built of stone. Not in adobe.

        My ancestor's winter road (kystau) in the Semipalatinsk region was preserved in the form of cores - stone, granite foundations. Saman in the south is good, but the stone will be more practical, as it were.
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          25 August 2017 19: 24
          Aposlya "Actually, tarTar from English is translated as Tatar!"
          Without any doubt.
          1. 0
            26 August 2017 10: 53
            As part of the Serbs settled on Macedonian lands and steals this name, today's “Azerbaijanis” want to steal the name and history of this land.
            There was a commander Atropen. Accordingly - the province of Atropena, with the Persians, its indigenous ethnic group. We called that (state) education Atrpatakan. Arabs came, for a long time. The land became known as Aderbeidan. In the 9th century, the Persians began to invite Turks and shepherds there. They multiplied, as usual. The land came to be called Adergejan (we still denote it this way). Well, in the end, rounded up, so to speak, to Azerbaijan. Until 1920 (+ a little more) the local Muslims generally designated themselves as a nation precisely by the definition of “Muslims”).
            It is worth noting that the descendants of Genghis Khan moved there a lot of their own.
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              29 August 2017 12: 18
              Karen, actually you have already begun to fantasize and try to rewrite history for the Armenians! laughing
              Azerbaijanis, or rather their ancestors of the Oghuz Turks or specifically Assy (hence their self-name Azeri Türk - Az Er, As men) have been there since the time of the Turkic Haganate, i.e. it is approximately 5-6 century AD And by the way, the Persians could not invite anyone there, since the Persians before BC were already conquered by the Türks (Arshakid dynasty). Since that time, Dulaty and Albanians live there.
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    4 September 2017 18: 42
    Oh, Julius Sergeevich)))) How many memories of excavations in the Altai Mountains
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    21 September 2017 19: 35
    Impressive arrowheads of the Yenisei Kyrgyz: two armor-piercing and two for firing at the enemy without armor and horses
    Probably not badly preserved, probably a modern dummy
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 09: 52
      Quote: Lex.
      Probably not badly preserved, probably a modern dummy


      Not at all. He held them in his hands. When you look nearby, you can see that the little things are old. And not all of them are so well preserved. Here, after all, they showed the most-most, and there all sorts of those who are gnawed with rust - the majority. Yes there are arrows. During agricultural work in Khakassia, we dug up a steel sword around those days - and it also looks great. The environmental conditions have been very successful. It does not shine, of course, with sharpened edges, but it doesn’t look like a dead iron either.
  16. +1
    2 October 2017 08: 02
    Many thanks. The whole history, from the Pechenegs and Polovtsians to the Kazan Tatars, takes place next to the Turkic tribes. And many Mongol tribes spoke Turkic languages. Genetically, up to 15% of Russians are of Turkic origin.
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      12 October 2017 11: 08
      Quote: JääKorppi
      The whole story, from the Pechenegs and Polovtsians to the Kazan Tatars


      Yes, it will be early - starting from the Scythians, which were the ancient Turks ....
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    19 October 2017 09: 47
    Interesting material, thanks to the author. That question has ripened: weapons, armor, incl. horse - this is in fact developed metallurgy and pumped blacksmithing. But how to combine all this with a nomadic way of life? Who mined the ore, who smelted it and where, who and where did they create rather labor-intensive products from metal? Forged in the forge? But metal smelting also implies high fuel consumption - where was it taken, in the steppes?

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