India plans to purchase FGFA fighter jets from Russia

India made another step in the purchase of FGFA 5 fighter jets - the internal commission of the Indian Ministry of Defense gave a recommendation to purchase a batch of T-50 / FGFA jets through their joint production with Russia, reports bmpd with reference to the resource psk.blog.24heures.ch.

In a commission led by a marshal aviation retired by Simhakutti Wartahman, conducted an analysis of the performance characteristics of the aircraft and gave a positive conclusion regarding its purchase. The Indian government plans to allocate $ 5 billion for the joint development of the fighter.

According to a resource referring to a military source, India "is preparing to place a firm order for X-NUMX T-108 aircraft."

However, the Russian and Indian sides have not yet agreed on the division of work on the project and the transfer of technology. The source noted that the Indian military is currently actively working on this issue with representatives of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[newcomer]

small by small we move to the finish line. the construction and sale of a younger brother will seriously facilitate the further production of pak fa, I mean the number for the vks.

[Doublet]

108 aircraft is good, this is not China, which is purchasing on 2-4.

[newcomer]

yes, the number is impressive, if only the Indians again did not start snake dances.

[NEXUS]

Quote: newbie

yes, the number is impressive, if only the Indians again did not start snake dances.

However, the Russian and Indian sides have not yet agreed on the division of work on the project and technology transfer.

Here is the answer to your thesis ... we don’t want to transfer secret technologies, and the Indians are very insistent on this.

[newcomer]

not scary. this retired marshal is an influential type. since recommended, so be it. As for technology, well then? something needs to be gifted, something hidden, this process is for specialists.

[NEXUS]

Quote: newbie

As for technology, well then?

Secret technology cannot be given ... but secondary and well-developed, why not?

[newcomer]

I’m talking about this.

[ZVO]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: newbie

As for technology, well then?

Secret technology cannot be given ... but secondary and well-developed, why not?

They paid almost $ 10 billion just for access to the latest technology. This is just for development.
Plus, they still spend at least 150 million. dollars for the manufacture of each aircraft ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: ZVO

Plus, they still spend at least 150 million. dollars for the manufacture of each aircraft ...

Do not run ahead of the engine. So far, even we do not have a serial SU-57. And the development of “sparky” will take another 5 years ...

[Berkut24]

108 aircraft is good, this is not China, which is purchasing on 2-4.

Well, not 2-4, but 24. On 2-4 we ship it according to the schedule.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Doublet

108 aircraft is good, this is not China, which is purchasing on 2-4.

In fact, China bought 75 Su-27 assembled in the Russian Federation and a license to build 200 Su-27 on its territory, the latter being assembled partly from Russian components.
Piecewise they were purchased in 90. Then they were pleased even with the order for 10 aircraft.

[Incvizitor]

If China again with its 2-4 fit, send them with this to hell.

[Kasym]

China FGFA will never be able to take - Indians will not give good. You probably had in mind the Su-57, which Moscow imposed a ban on selling abroad (platform.Armata and other modern designs as well). If I am not mistaken, such information passed.
108: 36 (3 esc. To 12 sources) = 3 regiment of strands. Good order. I do not think that the project will continue to be pulled. Because no one will give them the opportunity for such cooperation. And they want to gain an advantage over the Chinese in the air - do not go to a fortuneteller.

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Garik! I foresee that the Indians, according to the old tradition, will again begin to wag stern, so that there will still be a vinaigrette!

[newcomer]

I greet you, Pash! in their head the devil himself will break his leg, the porridge is still that. but I hope that the successes of the Sino-Pakistani friendship gave a good kick to the Indians in the direction of our five, export of course.

[cniza]

Although it’s hard with them, they have money.

[newcomer]

their money brought to light many of our projects. but, damn it, really, a heavy narol.

[bouncyhunter]

Yes, in India, mattress interests should not be discounted. The arms market there is a tidbit for anyone. And not only money matters, geopolitical interests are even more important. And mattresses, as you know, are extremely non-selective in the ways of achieving their goals.

[cniza]

Yes, the market is very interesting, and working with them is so difficult, but we will compete with the United States.

[bouncyhunter]

Clear business - we will! Such a cash (albeit moody) cow is needed!

[cniza]

Here - here the herd is not very large, but there are more than enough milkmaids.

[bouncyhunter]

And everyone is actively working with their elbows in the pursuit of udders.

[cniza]

Not only elbows, but also try to put the steps.

[DMB_95]

Quote: bouncyhunter

So cashy (albeit moody) cow need yourself!

A sacred animal cannot be moody! It is ... peculiar.

[bouncyhunter]

From changing the word horseradish does not become sweeter than wasabi.

[newcomer]

one news went almost unnoticed. the Yankees doubt the expediency of transferring critical technologies under the maid india of f16 airplanes, or rather the block 60 proposed to the Hindus of modifications (it seems, if I'm not mistaken). this, together with the ponds of friendship between China and Pakistan, has helped the “Cossacks” to issue this verdict.

[bouncyhunter]

Any mistake mattresses need to use for their own benefit in order to oust them from the Indian market and this region.

[cniza]

The USA does not like it, they are nervous, but they cannot change anything ...

[bouncyhunter]

Send them a dry cargo ship with medicines that have a pronounced and persistent sedative effect (phenobarbital, for example) - let them calm down.

[cniza]

They also need to be treated, let’s not let them take care of themselves ...

[bouncyhunter]

Vit, well, it already depends on the harvest in Afghanistan.

[cniza]

So they are there "agronomists", all in their hands.

[newcomer]

Pasha, you're right. but the main thing is not to creep, but vigorously beat to the point, or else Vel, our Ivan loves, pulling time (to say the least).

[bouncyhunter]

There is no time to yawn - in addition to mattresses and gay men with Scandinavians, they are not averse to falling into such a feeder.

[newcomer]

Yes, all the more so since the future of our Pak depends in many respects on the commercial success of the FGF, the Indians know this.

[cniza]

"Laziness is the engine of progress," but you need to move differently around the corner.

[newcomer]

you need to quickly do business and count income. and the Indians are still “experts”: “the T90 is to blame for the biathlon failure”, it’s time to cetate the classics from Lavrov.

[cniza]

This is their crown, blame on the technique or marriage.

[newcomer]

The highlight is that T90 biathletes from the series "Maid India".

[avt]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I foresee that the Indians, according to the old tradition, will again begin to wag stern,

And at least go to the googel ?? Yes, the Indians have long invested in the PAK FA theme, as well as in IL-214, long ago. And the fact that they will sniff and turn their nose and push the key technologies to the maximum in their localization of production, well, no one argues.

[bouncyhunter]

Well, where in my comment did you find at least a word that contradicts your words? Do you like to engage in letters and “catch” people?

[pvv113]

Indian Defense Ministry internal commission recommends acquisition of a batch of T-50 / FGFA aircraft

Nice advertisement for our technology

[Ziksura]

Not bad. One annoying: if only India did not pass us in the number of 5-rock. Although, to be honest, I am optimistic in this matter. It happened...

[Doublet]

You just noticed that it would be wrong if India has several times more 5-rock.

[Damir]

Well, in India, the T-90 is more than ours in the army and nothing ... we can’t fight with them ....

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

India is far from us and will not fight against us (at least in the near future the probability of this is close to zero), even if they have more such aircraft than we have nothing to worry about ... But the purchase of our new weapons by China much more dangerous ...

[Stirbjorn]

will bypass - the Su-30s of the Indians are 235, but we can’t get 100, we already wrote about the T-90

[rotmistr60]

“Preparing to place a firm order for 108 T-50 aircraft”

This is certainly good. But, something tells me - again bidding for the price will begin and the petty move tested by India more than once with "poor-quality equipment" will go into the course.

[irazum]

Technology will beg, a hundred pounds! With the French “Rafals” is not a ride, we are the only ones left.

[voyaka uh]

How can I place an order for a non-existent aircraft?

[Nasrat]

no one else will sell them, or anything like that, that's what they post ...

[pavelty]

And what is it not? I have seen)

[Muvka]

I saw it too. In the sky. Probably imagined. The warrior will not lie.

[Walanin]

FGFA in the sky? This is where it was?

[Doublet]

Quote: voyaka uh

How can I place an order for a non-existent aircraft?

but how does the whole democratic world invest in American planes that are still not brought to mind?

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

How can I place an order for a non-existent aircraft?

And what did the Penguin create in a different way?

[voyaka uh]

When the flying prototypes of the F-35 appeared,
then went and orders. And before that there were "intentions" to acquire.
If we consider the prototypes of T-50 prototypes and FGFA too ...
then there is something to talk about.
The question is how much the glider will differ.
I am with both hands for a joint Russian-Indian project .
Otherwise, the T-50 will get stuck in "museum" quantities from underfunding.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

When the flying prototypes of the F-35 appeared,
then went and orders. And before that there were "intentions" to acquire.

Nothing like this. Initially, the F-35 project started according to the same scheme as the FGFA. US develop - customers pay, then localization. Only more participants

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

When the flying prototypes of the F-35 appeared,

Quote: voyaka uh

If we consider the prototypes of T-50 prototypes and FGFA too ...

same
13 April 2012 of the year made the first flight of the aircraft F-35A with serial number BK-1 - the first car for the UK and the first for foreign partners in general

F-35I appeared hzk (I will not decrypt, so I don’t get out of the bans), but Israel signed a contract at 2010, and shipped it to 2016:

with serial number AS-1 (Israeli side number "901").

F-35I is NOT ALL F-35 - AF-6, absolutely

[avt]

Quote: voyaka uh

How can I place an order for a non-existent aircraft?

Azochenway! How is it! Go to the googel and ask him for Panavia 2000

[voyaka uh]

I agree with you what is running. Both the T-50 project and the FGFA project
urgently need to force, otherwise they will become obsolete before
mass production.

[avt]

Quote: voyaka uh

I agree with you what is running.

Oh wow! What was that? So for

Quote: voyaka uh

How can I place an order for a non-existent aircraft?

Already not relevant? Well and goodies.

[voyaka uh]

"how so Israel could go to bed" ///

You shoot at emptiness.
The first prototype of the F-35 - X-35 took off in 2000 year.
By 2010, it was already clear to those who understood that the plane had turned out.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

You shoot the void
The first prototype of the F-35 - X-35 took off in 2000 year.
By 2010, it was already clear to those who understood that the plane had turned out.

About the financing of the Penguin in our army magazines has been written since 89. The union was still alive. The fact that the Jews realized that the pepelats will work, began to sing in 2014

[MadCat]

Well, yes, the song is about the main thing, f35 pingivinorazpil, but the T50 of 100500 million is better, by what parameters it is better, but the truth is not clear but already. Kindergarten.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

You shoot at emptiness.

come on?

Quote: voyaka uh

The first prototype of the F-35 - X-35 took off in 2000 year.
By 2010, it was already clear to those who understood that the plane had turned out.

?
T-50 The first flight of the plane made 29 January 2010 year

29 January 2010, the first flight of the Su-57 for the first time took to the air [2], making a flight lasting about 45 minutes. The car was piloted by honored test pilot Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan.

14 March 2011 during the flight tests of the Su-57 for the first time broke the sound barrier, by this time 40 test flights were made, and the program of testing prototypes at supersonic speeds began.

24 July 2012 of the year began testing of the third flight sample (T-50-3, w / o 53) with radar H036, with a radar installed on it with an active phased antenna array. As of October 28, 2013 has completed more than 450 flights [16].
September 18 The 2015 of the year has begun the final test phase.

and even I am a deer full (psevdoraketchik, not a pilot, I realized THIS PLANE)
+ Sergey Bogdan HAVE NEVER FLIGHT ON THE HUMAN (AND DON'T PRAISE THE PECU)

And forgive me (even from an aesthetic point of view) this beauty


NOT IN WHAT COMPARISON DOES NOT GO WITH

even thin circle is not necessary to finish

[aliis-M]

So with the Su-30MKI it was already, and everyone was satisfied

[Kurare]

Quote: voyaka uh

How can I place an order for a non-existent aircraft?

Well, about the same as on the JSF F-35 at the time. There is nothing unusual here.

[Gardamir]

India "getting ready

It would probably sound better if India placed an order. And what is the conversation about?

[Altona]

Quote: newbie

yes, the number is impressive, if only the Indians again did not start snake dances.

---------------------------------
Well, the classic "Jimmy, Jimmy, acha-acha" cannot be taken away from the Indians. Then, when the time for signing a "firm order for 100 pieces" arrives, the Indians suddenly announce a tender and, relatively speaking, include the American F-35. The Americans will get involved in the process and bring down the deal, although they are supposedly selling something.

[irazum]

By the way, it’s quite possible! It just seems to me that the Americans will not transfer any technology to them. And the Indians are interested in them!

[Vlad.by]

Do not prompt.
Although, ours have already learned not to step on the same rake twice.

[newcomer]

will fail. Too much Indians invested in FGF.

[Shadow shooter]

The T-50 was originally created as an adversary of the state birds, but we will also see a confrontation with Chinese cars on the campaign. It will be interesting

[bratchanin3]

This is nonsense - the joint design and production of the latest technology, especially since India rushes from the USA to Russia, ambitions like the Poles (or more), and the poor themselves. And if so, then the United States will outbid Indian Maharajas at the right time. You can’t get in touch with the Holodrans - they will sell.

[Walanin]

Is the 7th world economy poor?

[MadCat]

Quote: Walanin

Is the 7th world economy poor?

you’re trying to denigrate all the details, he said the beggar means the beggar

[bratchanin3]

Well, you are my friend. 7th economy, this is due to the large population. The anthill is large, because it is a lot of ant and work from morning to night. It should be judged by per capita income (per person). And in India, you know how much, you are our economist !?

[Walanin]

How is per capita income related to the military budget, are you our economist?

[bratchanin3]

Is this a lecture on the military budget and population? Then it’s worthwhile to compare the UAE and India on your own for the security of Aboriginal people and military budgets, and it’s a long time.

[Siberia 9444]

These fighters cannot be sold! Like the T14 with 400 and other samples of modern weapons. This is the country's security and parity on the opponents, and there is not a guarantee that India is a different and ally. And as we all know, we don’t have them!

[MadCat]

with such an approach and around the world it’s not long to go, is there any sense in rushing with them like a written bag? They don’t give it for free ... modern yes, but certainly not having an analogue in the world.

[Vittt]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: newbie

As for technology, well then?

Secret technology cannot be given ... but secondary and well-developed, why not?

Anything they can give to these gypsy-Indians, they will be able to screw up everything. On a tank biathlon they ruined their T-90s made in India. Primates. And you say "secondary", "fulfilled", they would even "Kalash" fucked up. Let them better cleanse their sacred Ganges from their feces.
Almost 30 years have been building their own Arjun tank, and the Tejas light fighter is almost the same. Better to dance and sing.
I have a conspiracy question - where does India get nuclear weapons?

[voyaka uh]

"I have a conspiracy theological question - where does India get nuclear weapons?" ////

Without any conspiracy theories - what you wrote about the Indians is wrong.
Among the 1,4 billion people and dozens of peoples and tribes, a couple of peoples of several hundred million are very intelligent. Among them are scientists, engineers, and programmers.
And they are able to be at the global level. And the sooner Russia realizes and erases this
neglect of India - the more Russia will win.

[Zaurbek]

It’s not the USSR and the Russian Federation to blame for such a thing ... with India a long history of cooperation in the Indo-Pakistan war too.

[Zaurbek]

Give me another light fighter:

with one engine "Product30"

[Ugolek]

Perhaps 108 cars for India after so many years and invested money. If you look at China and Pakistan, there are not so many, given that China is developing its aircraft industry efficiently, and the Indians are slipping. Pieces are bought, then Rafali with an incomprehensible amount (36), then 108 FGFA, later they will surprise something else ...

[Zaurbek]

So the car is not cheap. And not yet. The Indian Air Force's need for heavy fighters is the same as the Su-30MKI, approximately. So we count on 200-300 pieces. Excites the other; part of the plants will be engaged in the production of MC21 and one plant can produce 12-15 pieces per year. How many will we make them? Car kits for Indians and 100 for themselves.

[Ugolek]

If the car is not cheap, you are welcome for the F-35 with a service package ...
It's not about price, but about the real need for India. Will 108 cars cover all needs? Or will there still be an option?

[Zaurbek]

1. about 300 Su-30MKIs will be upgraded to super dry
2. The Su-57 is not yet in its final form, especially the Indian version. Would you order immediately another 300pcs?
3. And they will be produced in India .. unlike F35

[Ugolek]

I just do not fully know what they have on planes. Do you understand correctly that they will still finish building the Su-30 MKI in a certain amount?

[Zaurbek]

They almost completed them and think how much more is needed so that the plant and workers would not stand idle before the launch of the T-50. And they began to monitor the option of upgrading the Su-30 MKI that is in service and may be producing new ones in a modernized version.

[Ugolek]

And what is the Super Dry?

[Zaurbek]

They have not yet approved ... like F-15 silent needles. 4 +++++

[Kasym]

Super dry primarily implies the ability to use anti-ship gun "BraMos". 108 appr. = 3 shelf cords. With a backup of the Su-30 (over 200 and most likely with further growth, because they themselves assemble), which they want to upgrade to the capabilities of the Su-35. As I understand it, they want modernization to take into account the “work” in Syria on the one hand; on the other hand, the BrahMos air variant will definitely want to intervene, which entails the installation of additional equipment. So the Indians are doing fine by the cords. By the way, that Germany has less than a hundred combat-ready sources, and this is far from a burden. And the Chinese "competitor", besides Delhi, also has butting from the USA and others for the disputed islands. And this stretches the capabilities of aviation on two fronts.
I am worried by the fact that for the modernization of the Su-30MKI Delhi may attract a third party. The Russian Federation must firmly assert its rights in this matter.

[Zaurbek]

like this

[mann-mann]

They themselves are not able to have their fifth generation aircraft cleanly, now some kind of India, which never knows how to build aircraft, will have such technologies!

[MadCat]

Quote: manne mann

possess such technologies!

which ones? Is the engine there upgraded from the SU-30 which they already produce, a glider? Well, they calculated a new glider on the server, well done. 25 years after the Americans, fully digital ... ECA is unseen. There will be no one else to sell all these “innovations” a bit, since the Americans will share the markets with the Europeans.

[dm-itry]

Do not make people laugh with this nonsense, if you are not aware of new technologies, this does not mean that they are not there.

[MadCat]

Quote: dm-itry

Do not make people laugh with this nonsense, if you are not aware of new technologies, this does not mean that they are not there.

I’m aware of new technologies, but are you aware that these "new technologies" are far from exclusive and lacking analogs in the world?

[dm-itry]

No one in sound everything will sell the SU-57 now, especially with the transfer of technology. So India will have to roll up its lip.

[ZVO]

Quote: dm-itry

No one in sound everything will sell the SU-57 now, especially with the transfer of technology. So India will have to roll up its lip.

You wrap your lips back ...
The contract with the Indians to create a joint 5th generation fighter was signed many years ago. Hindus have already paid nearly $ 6 billion to develop it. And all this money went into the PAK-FA project. Under the contract, they will pay 4-6 billion dollars more.
In return, they will receive all the technologies, as well as the right to produce 2/3 of their contract at their enterprises.

So wrap your lips, you are our illiterate ...

[ZVO]

newcomer,

Quote: newbie

The highlight is that T90 biathletes from the series "Maid India".

What did you forget about the "maid in india" when you compared the air battles on Red Flag ...

[Serzh_R]

The market for military equipment is a trump card that must be managed competently in politics and business.

[Ugolek]

In general, it is clear that there is only one result - India in the region is becoming a very serious force in the region and China will have to reckon with this.

[SergF123]

Kozlyachye dances ..... They waited until Russia itself brought the car to perfection, (excluding the engines so far), and now they want to produce it together .... for the 5th lard of dead amertzed presidents .... do not they want to hell, given that they will insist on production in India ... You need to twist such "partners" in one place!

[Eflintuk]

You still can’t cook porridge with these gypsies ... :)