Project "ZZ". The root of Russian inequality

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Sanctions are unlikely to change anything in Putin’s policies. Historically, gentlemen "sanctioners" rarely achieved their goals. This was especially true of Russia, both Soviet and present. However, to "tame" the Russian oligarchs, analysts believe, there is a loophole: you should hit offshore capital. By 2015, the rich Russians had accumulated in offshore, according to some data, 75% of the national income of the country, i.e., 3 times more gold reserves!





If sanctions change something, it rarely happens, writes Stefan Kaufmann in the publication "Frankfurter Rundschau".

Historically, financial and economic embargoes imposed by the United States, the West, rarely led to the weakening of unwanted regimes. One of the current examples is the sanction opposition of Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un. Another famous example is the war of sanctions against Russia. The same lever Washington used against Iran and Venezuela. However, Kaufmann doubts the success of American politicians on these financial "fronts".

Already a hundred and twenty (!) Times the United States announced sanctions from 1945 year. There are only a few examples of success. Economist Gary Hufbauer (USA) gathered some interesting statistics on this issue, looking at history even deeper. He took the period from 1914 to 2009. and counted two hundred cases of international sanctions. Only thirteen times the sanctions forced political regimes to change course.

Because of the Yugoslav sanctions in 1921, she refused to annex parts of Albania. After World War II, there was another case of success: the United States stopped helping the Netherlands according to the Marshall Plan, which forced the country to grant independence to Indonesia. At the beginning of the 1960's US sanctions contributed to the overthrow of the government in Ceylon, which had previously nationalized American oil companies. In 1970-s. South Korea and Taiwan abandoned their plans to develop nuclear weapons - and also because of the sanctions imposed on them. And another example: in 1980-s. sanctions contributed to the collapse of apartheid in South Africa.

And what is interesting is that prohibitive measures did not hit those to whom they were addressed, but rather harm mainly the poor. Sociologist Joy Gordon writes that because of the sanctions in Iraq in the 1990-s. died before 880 of thousands of children (for the period in 5 years). The same scenario can be repeated today with the DPRK: in this poor country, 40 percent of the population is undernourished, 70 percent gets food aid. US sanctions against the DPRK have existed for a long time, since the Korean War. So what? The Kimov dynasty rules to this day, and the rocket program does not stop, but, on the contrary, develops.

Sanctions also couldn’t do anything about the Assad regime in Syria: prohibitive measures were in effect since 2004, the foreign capitals of the Assad family were frozen, but it didn’t have any particular effect.

And here is Russia. Its economy, the sanctions of the West hardly hurt it for real. Basically, the raw material Russia was hit by the collapse of world oil prices. Today in Russia there has even been a growth: according to IMF forecasts, in 2017, the country's economy will grow by 1,4%.

The restrictive measures imposed by the US and the EU could have infringed upon the interests of Putin and his entourage, but they have no effect on these people unnoticed: they still take their places.

With the opinion of the German author agrees American Shelley Carabell. She explains in the magazine "Forbes", why do not work sanctions against Russia.

According to the observer, since when sanctions were imposed on Russia, almost nothing has changed in either Moscow or the outback of the country. On the Russian outskirts, people have never received any benefits from the high oil prices observed in the years preceding the sanctions. And therefore, in their life under the sanctions nothing has changed, the journalist said. She has an economic explanation for what is happening.

In the post-Soviet economy, she points out, the redistribution of goods, in fact, did not happen. The so-called communism collapsed, but its leaders, sitting at the top, took everything they could. The rest got crumbs - and they hurried to sell it off by selling the goods to where the market was outlined. Even uranium went on sale, not to mention weapons.

The article by Carabell cites material from economist Andrei Movchan, who heads the Economic Policy program at the Carnegie Moscow Center. In the article “Decline, not collapse: the dark prospects for the Russian economy,” Movchan recalls the following: when Putin came to power in the country (2000 year), most of the key assets belonged either to the state or to a small group of individuals who received assets from the state in exchange on political loyalty.

In an interview with Movchan, an observer created an interesting picture of the state economy of Soviet and present-day Russia.

According to Movchan, by 2008, before 70% of the RF budget consisted of revenues from the sale of hydrocarbons abroad, directly or indirectly. Later, by 2013, no more than 10 percent of GDP was accounted for by an independent private sector and non-mineral production. That year, inflation was 6,5%, GDP growth did not exceed 1,3 percent, but real wages increased by 11,4%. Such a difference has developed because of the "careless" social policy of the Russian government.

At that time, many capitalists sold their business to the state and went abroad, not forgetting to grab money with them. The state controlled more than 2013% of commercial firms in 70. The figure is higher than under Gorbachev: in the years of perestroika, the figure was 60 percent. As for today's realities, then today, probably, the private sector has only 25 percent of GDP.

In addition, state economic statistics should be taken carefully, because "more than thirty percent of it is classified." It is believed that the classified budget items contain expenses for the military-industrial complex and special services, but the expert admits that money is also used for other needs, for example, to support foreign “friends of Russia” or plugging holes in state-controlled companies. In addition, of these funds, “high-ranking officials” may allegedly make personal purchases.

From this, the observer concludes: opacity is a national feature of Russia, and not a model built at the time of the Soviets.

Leonid Bershidsky in the publication Bloomberg View spoke about the study of Thomas Piketty, who recently turned his attention to Russia. To those who survived the transition from communism to capitalism in Russia, Piketty’s hypothesis may seem weak and not without deep flaws in the general methodology. However, Western politicians should take into account some of the findings of the scientist.

In the new work, Piketty, his colleagues Philip Novokme (Paris School of Economics) and Gabriel Zuckman (University of California at Berkeley) showed that policy makers in the United States significantly underestimate the inequality in Russia and the degree of influence of oligarchs on this inequality. Piketty and colleagues came to the following conclusion: the standard of living in Russia in 1989-1990 was about 60-65% of the European average, and by the middle of 2010 it reached about 70-75%.

These indicators Bershidsky ridicules. They would have been ridiculed by any resident of the Soviet Union of the 1989-1990 period. Those people remember the bread lines and the widespread shortage of many consumer goods up to toilet paper. In grocery stores there were only banks with birch sap. The author, having come to Greece for the first time in 1992, was struck by the contrast: the Greeks seemed to him much richer than the Russians.

Piketty himself admits that the data with which they worked may be unreliable. In addition, non-monetary inequality was important in Soviet times.

However, this imperfect work has its merits. They appear where statistics acquire a different quality - from the 2000-s. In those days, 13 percent income tax, a flat scale tax, was introduced. Russian rich people rejoiced at this. Politicians like Reagan, Thatcher, Trump could only dream of such a low tax. That epoch in Russia is characterized by the cessation of massive tax evasion, and therefore government statistics in the country deserve a serious attitude.

And here are two points. First, the researchers found the difference between the trade surplus and net worth of foreign assets: 25% of the national income to 2015 g. The researchers explained this huge discrepancy by the large profits made by foreign investors from buying for Russian pennies in the middle of the 1990s. But here is the second point: the flight of capital from the country turned out to be a much more significant factor. Piketty believes that by 2015 the amount of wealth in offshore accumulated by the Russian rich was 75% of national income - three times more than the gold reserves of the Russian Federation!

The author of the material is not surprised by the amount of Russian money abroad. The authorities do not hide this. For example, presidential adviser Sergei Glazyev says that the Russians ’offshore wealth will be worth a trillion dollars, and half of this wealth will not return to their homeland. By the way, a trillion dollars is 78 percent production for the past year.

The picture painted by Picchetti and his co-authors shows a country ravaged by oligarchs who now own fabulous wealth. What allows them to maintain such an unequal position? Such inequality seems “acceptable” as long as the oligarchs “remain loyal to the Russian state.” So say scientists.

From here Bershidsky goes to the very question of the effectiveness of sanctions. Do Western sanctions really beat the heart of the Russian system? And another burning question: since the introduction of sanctions, no Western government has made serious attempts to find out the origin of hundreds of billions of dollars in Russian offshore accounts. Western actions to trace sources of wealth to the benefit of democratic Russia, which could have arisen after Putin’s departure, would radically change the situation.

On the other hand, does the West want “unpleasant revelations” that could affect both business and politics?

The latter, I suppose, is a purely rhetorical question. His silence is the point in the “sanction case” that the West itself has set. It is much easier to speculate on the topic of the Crimea and the “armed aggression” in the Ukrainian east, than to show by your own actions who in the West helps launder Russian money. London has already tried to announce a corresponding new financial policy in relation to the “new Russians”, whose dark capitals are divided between the UK and offshore companies, however, the initiative announced at the level of the Prime Minister soon died out. The same is true in Washington. The capitalist world is built on chistogane, and those who read the notations on freedom, democracy, legality, morality and other things have nothing to put their nose into big business. Curious Varvara in the bazaar nose torn off.
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  1. +1
    16 August 2017 09: 30
    when Putin came to power in the country (2000 year), most of the key assets belonged either to the state or to a small group of individuals who received assets from the state in exchange for political loyalty.

    But what about collateral auctions? Were they in 2000's?
    1. +3
      16 August 2017 11: 15
      In part, the researchers explained this huge discrepancy by the large profit received by foreign investors from buying up Russian assets for a penny in the mid-1990-s.

    2. +4
      16 August 2017 11: 34
      Dear, ImPertz. I agree with you, the author of this quote is disingenuous. "... As for today's realities, nowadays, probably, the private sector has only 25 percent of GDP ..." - this phrase is completely doubtful. There is other information. "... The state’s assets are still the largest in the generation of electricity, mining (oil and gas, amber, uranium and diamonds), oil refining, transport engineering, and the nuclear industry. The state does not play a significant role in other sectors. More than half of the companies examined have in the list of shareholders or founders foreign or offshore companies ... "https://aftershock.news/?q=node/423561
  2. 0
    16 August 2017 10: 03
    No need to do anything with offshore capital. You just have to wait until ZZ shakes a couple of oligarchs. The rest will run to their native land, especially if you make your own offshore, for example, in the Crimea :)
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    1. 0
      16 August 2017 11: 01
      Quote: den-protector
      Until Russia turns on the path of socialism

      What socialism are you talking about: Trotskyite-Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev or Gorbachev-Yeltsin?

      Quote: den-protector
      tales about a good king who wants, but cannot, and about bad boyars, is not necessary.

      Tell me, who is the most important: the boyars who write the laws, or the king who obeys them?
      1. +20
        16 August 2017 11: 13
        I had in mind socialism in the Stalinist version, which was curtailed by Khrushchev. As for the "tsar" and "boyars" of modern Russia, they are from the same theater of political absurdity. Our zomboyaschik, like other "independent" pseudo-mass media, impose on the consumer an imitation of political struggle and the allegedly existing system of checks and balances. Both the king and the boyars are top managers of high-level commerce.
        1. +9
          16 August 2017 11: 59
          hi
          I will give a cool expression of a major Western economist of the last century:
          Belief in capitalism is an amazing belief that the worst actions of the worst people, in one way or another, serve the common good. John Maynard Keynes.
          1. +2
            16 August 2017 12: 31
            Or here is his quote. In my opinion, capitalism, if ruled wisely, can more effectively connect the ends with the ends than any other visible alternative system, but, in turn, it is extremely subjective.
        2. 0
          16 August 2017 12: 20
          Quote: den-protector
          Both the king and the boyars are top managers of high-level commerce.

          In general, I agree.
          The fact that the king and the boyars are representatives of different clans is understandable, but the question is who is more important: the one who sets the rules, or the one who plays by them, did not answer ... Although in general it’s clear that the boyars still bad, and the king ... and that the king, he only spins in the framework of the law established by the boyars.
          It just so happened that the bosses (boyars) write duties to the subordinate (king).
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        4. J77
          0
          16 August 2017 18: 58
          Quote: den-protector
          I had in mind socialism in the Stalinist version, which was curtailed by Khrushchev.

          Yes, you are right, Khrushchev, unlike Dzhugashvili and Ulyanov, managed to become a real revolutionary. Because it was he who led and carried out the feudal revolution of the 50s in the USSR. At the initial stage. Unfortunately, then only the economic basis of society was replaced, the slave-owning TDOs of the time of Dzhugashvili ("socialism") were replaced by feudal TDOs of "developed socialism".
          Khrushchev also tried to transfer society in the USSR from a theocratic state to a secular one. Those. generally eliminate the so-called "socialism". For which he paid for the position. It was possible to do this only in December 1991. and to other people already.
          1. +1
            17 August 2017 00: 13
            it’s strange how you are a descendant of Dzhugashvili’s slaves you learned to write ... a slave is a dumb cattle, it’s not that he shouldn’t even think about writing. ..
            1. J77
              +1
              17 August 2017 00: 26
              Quote: Long in stock.
              a slave is a dumb cattle, it’s not like he shouldn’t even write to think

              You have some relict views. And a complete misunderstanding of the slave system.
              Meanwhile, in the USSR, the transition from a slave-owning society to a feudal society began not so long ago, in 1956. And it ended in 1974. You could very well have found it all.
              Quote: Long in stock.
              Well, yes, I forgot you have your own logic, it can not be analyzed ..

              Why so? Just my logic is quite trivial. And I would even say banal. Unlike yours, perverted by "socialist consciousness."
              Well, nothing, your 64 years are long over. Hopefully forever.
              1. +1
                17 August 2017 08: 11
                hope. only yours ended 100 years ago .. and there is no turning back ..
            2. +1
              17 August 2017 03: 20
              Quote: Long in stock.
              a slave is a dumb cattle, it’s not like he shouldn’t even write to think


              Why not? Elite slaves laid.
      2. J77
        +1
        16 August 2017 18: 50
        Quote: Boris55
        What socialism are you talking about: Trotskyite-Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev or Gorbachev-Yeltsin?

        Actually, "socialism" is an invention of Dzhugashvili. Founding father. Therefore, "Trotskyist-Leninist socialism" in living nature did not exist and could not exist.
        Remember when it began to "build" in the USSR? In December 1927 at the XV Congress of the CPSU (b).
        Where were Ulyanov and Bronstein by then?
        And "Lenin, the founder of the world's first socialist state," is nothing more than ordinary Soviet lies. To understand this, it is enough to know the history at least at the most basic level.
        Quote: Boris55
        or the king who performs them?

        And who told you that kings, in addition to constitutional monarchs, comply with any laws? They are the law. At the same time, they are the state itself as a whole. "The state is me." It was not just a figure of speech. It was the TRUTH.
        1. 0
          17 August 2017 07: 33
          Quote: J77
          And who told you that kings, besides constitutional monarchs,

          The conversation began with the phrase that supposedly the boyars are bad again, and the king is good. It was an allegorical form. many people think that Putin is the king and that he should move his finger at everyone, they prostrate themselves, take off their trousers, back off and hold out a jar of petroleum jelly ... For the rest, you have pluses from me.
    2. 0
      16 August 2017 14: 56
      but in my opinion it is not necessary to abolish Capitalism, but we need a social body such as the CPSU which, with its powers, will additionally control the government, the prosecutor’s Duma ... like in China.
      1. J77
        +2
        16 August 2017 19: 08
        Quote: aybolyt678
        but in my opinion it’s not necessary to abolish Capitalism

        Where to cancel? In which country?
        Quote: aybolyt678
        but we need a social body such as the CPSU which with its powers will additionally control the government, the prosecutor’s Duma

        What, one more organ? And what will be the name of the body that will control this "organ of the CPSU type"?
        Quote: aybolyt678
        like in china

        From there we are waiting for a big cab. Since bourgeois productive forces are increasingly conflicting with feudal software. It can’t go on like this for long, China must finally land somewhere. Therefore, they are waiting for either a revolution (bourgeois) or a coup within the CPC, which will lead to an increase in reactionary forces. And this in any case will cause a strong crisis in the global economy. Least.
    3. +2
      16 August 2017 18: 38
      I agree! Everything is right!
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  4. +6
    16 August 2017 10: 42
    And let's try! Well, in the sense of returning Crimea, to leave Donbass and Syria. And then there have been too many speculations lately on the topic - if these problems were not there, then sanctions were imposed anyway. Why does the government not want to play according to the proposed rules? After all, until 2014, everything worked out!
    1. +6
      16 August 2017 11: 16
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And let's try! Well, in the sense of returning Crimea, to leave Donbass and Syria.


      And then we will return Kaliningrad, reduce the armed forces, abandon nuclear weapons, Khodorkovsky or Navalny as president, and "all will be happy." But do not forget that "appetite comes with eating."
      1. +4
        16 August 2017 11: 43
        But After all, until 2014, everything worked out! or will you deny it?
        1. +7
          16 August 2017 14: 05
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But After all, until 2014, everything worked out! or will you deny it?

          What did you get? Until 2000, they kissed the gums with the Americans and completely fell under them. Since 2000, they began to regain their sovereignty: they sorted it out with Chechnya, and somehow the relations between the center and the regions were established. But at the same time they still retreated - Camran, Lourdes, etc. were closed at this time. In 2007, Putin in Munich talked about the limitations of a unipolar world, the return of equality to international relations, that Russia should be listened to at least a little, and if its position was not taken, then at least taken into account. There was only one answer - you lost the Cold War, so now you are a third-rate power.
          In 2008, Saakashvili, who was naughty, gave the command to attack civilians in South Ossetia and the Russian peacekeepers, for which he received his face (though not very well). Then the sanctions began. And all this time, the United States continued to assert rudeness in international relations. The Arab spring spawned a series of color revolutions in the BV. But even then, from about 2010, it became clear that Russia was in the line of the planned victims of the color revolutions, which was confirmed by the speeches at Bolotnaya. And then the state consistently upheld sovereignty. The events of 2014 - Crimea and the Donbass - are the consequences of a common global American policy - in fact, in this spirit, it was necessary to react. Somehow they would react extremely mildly, the next questions would be the legality of the presence of certain regions within Russia.
          1. +4
            16 August 2017 19: 45
            2000 years have passed since 17 .... Who is in power? All the same puppet (yes! He is scolded in the West !?)
            Management principle: It works - do not touch! Are we selling resources? Do you produce anything of your own? (SS - XXX, RD - 180, do not offer!) Raise the S / X people - you need to feed! And the events in the country - launching! The cruise boat "John of Kprnstadsky"
            Excuse me. Sore.
      2. +6
        16 August 2017 12: 01
        Still, the most sensible decision would be to give up. The West will break Russia anyway, do not be deceived. And if you submit voluntarily - then, taking everything of interest, the West will finally leave the country alone. And most importantly, it will be a very tricky gambit: surrender to the west to stop China.
        1. +3
          16 August 2017 12: 04
          Quote: Basarev
          And if you submit voluntarily - then, taking everything of interest, the West will finally leave the country alone.


          Are you seriously?!
          1. +8
            16 August 2017 12: 13
            This is precisely the difference between the West and the Chinese locust. The West takes a very moderate indemnity - with money, jobs, and the removal of the most odious figures, as it was with Germany, so it was with Japan. China, on the other hand, scrapes everything clean and uses the devastated territory as a landfill. I always said: Japan is an ideal Russia. She is among the best friends of the West - but at the same time preserves her original culture. And Russia could become the second Japan if it obeyed the west voluntarily. And if not for the art of Putin.
            1. +15
              16 August 2017 12: 25
              Quote: Basarev
              And if not for the art of Putin.


              The feeling that Gozman, in person, visited the site.
              1. +4
                16 August 2017 14: 48
                And what is he wrong about? In the prevailing world order, you need to know your place. The most difficult thing is to fight not with an external enemy, but with yourself. As my friend said: "If you want to say nonsense, think first and then keep silent." Past grievances cannot be made the foundation of the future. Japan understood this, the Japanese turned out to be wiser than many - yes, they lost, but this gave them an impetus, the Germans did the same thing - admitted that they were wrong, where is Germany now? Nobody took their history from them, they themselves refused what was not right for the time and today is more important for them than yesterday. Does Norway lay claim to world domination and imperial honors? Holland? Singapore? Are they eager to change the world order? On this planet, everything is already divided and there is no one to redistribute. Why would they even need this? Moreover, even China with a history of many thousands of years reconciled to its position in the eighties and received tremendous benefits from this, simply because it recognized its problems and occupied a niche. Needless to say, America is fighting civilians, America is fighting politicians who, in turn, are making their citizens hostages and are ready to put their whole people for their interests. And I don’t understand at all why in the Russian Federation everyone blames the USA for what happened in the nineties and Yeltsin. That Yeltsin, that officials from the 90s are direct heirs of the Communists, they were both in the 80s and 70s, they were not brought from the USA or Mars a year before the collapse, and no one forced them to trade the country, this is the responsibility of those people who allowed them to power, a people who have withdrawn from the political system. And all of them are still in power, nothing has changed.
                1. +6
                  16 August 2017 15: 00
                  Quote: Christochist
                  Needless to say, America is fighting civilians, America is fighting politicians who, in turn, are making their citizens hostages and are ready to put their whole people for their interests.


                  These "tales", tell your children at night, or grandmother.

                  America "peacefully dropped" two atomic bombs on the "non-peaceful" cities of Japan.
                  "Peacefully drops" bombs on hospitals, schools in Syria.
                  And in general, where America is present, everywhere: "quiet, smooth, and God's grace."
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                    1. +4
                      16 August 2017 15: 09
                      Quote: Christochist
                      Moderate your ambitions. What America is doing now, RI did before, when it was able, carving indigenous peoples. Both China and Japan, and all countries without exception. It’s not worth remembering, there are no saints here.


                      Once again I ask: tell tales to someone else and please do not teach me how to live.
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                  1. +1
                    16 August 2017 16: 36
                    Quote: Antianglosaks
                    Although with such a nickname is clearly inadequate, or a troll ...


                    Troll, so "fat."
                3. +6
                  16 August 2017 16: 58
                  You wrote all this in vain, most of those present here sincerely believe that the Russian Federation can be reborn as the USSR, you just have to put someone in place and tighten the political nuts.
                  They are all good people and love their homeland, they simply don’t understand that it is impossible to compete with the West in the broad sense of the word without “adopting” Western standards of behavior and attitude to work.
                  There is one more point: judging by my "long-term observations", most of the US prosecutors, as well as supporters of "putting in place the presumptuous imperialists" and "knocking down a few" Raptor ", do not want to discuss any possibilities for the country's peaceful development. these very good and honest people, for the most part, do not see for themselves the opportunity to "rise" in a market economy.
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2017 17: 30
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    that without “adopting” Western standards of behavior and attitudes toward work, it is impossible to compete with the West in the broad sense.


                    You know, Alexander, if you can agree with the "adoption of Western standards of attitude to work", then there is no desire to agree with "standards of behavior", especially tolerance.
                    As far as I know, Russia does not impose its attitude on traditional family values ​​to the West and America, then why do they strive to impose on us the same model of attitude towards LGBT communities, same-sex marriages. Maybe you don’t have to "comb everyone under one comb" ?!
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2017 19: 29
                      I partially agree
                  2. J77
                    +1
                    16 August 2017 19: 19
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    here, the majority of those present sincerely believe that the Russian Federation can be reborn as the USSR

                    This does not speak in their favor at all.
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    They are all good people and they love their homeland.

                    As for good people, this is far from a fact. After all, everyone praises himself.
                    As for the homeland, so it is their own. Russian (and everyone else) people do not need. Enough, gone already.
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    they simply don’t understand that without “adopting” Western standards of behavior and attitude to work, it is impossible to compete with the West in the broad sense.

                    It’s not them, you don’t understand. There are no production relations of capitalism in slaveholding ("socialism") and feudal ("developed socialism") societies. Therefore, all these formations and societies, they are HISTORICALLY doomed to lag and decay. What really happened to the USSR. And with all the "socialist camp," too.
                    Quote: a.sirin
                    I think these very good and honest - in the majority - people do not see for themselves the opportunity to "rise" in a market economy.

                    In order to "rise in a market economy," you must, at a minimum, live in a country with a market economy.
                    1. +2
                      16 August 2017 19: 33
                      I just understand bully the problems of these people are precisely in the lack of understanding of the absence of any way for Russia to the future, except for building "developed capitalism".
                      The common place - IMHO - of all the mistakes of patriotic citizens is that they strongly, on the one hand, overestimate the talents and capabilities of the Russian Federation and the people, and on the other hand, completely do not represent the terms (time) that will be required for rebuilding the country
                      1. J77
                        +1
                        16 August 2017 20: 00
                        Quote: a.sirin
                        the absence of any path for Russia into the future, except for the construction of "developed capitalism".

                        This makes me happy. And this is not sarcasm.
                        Quote: a.sirin
                        all the mistakes of patriotic citizens

                        They are often patriots of the RSFSR, and not Russia. These are different countries on the same territory.
                        Quote: a.sirin
                        and on the other hand, they don’t represent at all the timelines (time) that it will take to restructure the country

                        Duration, deprivation and labor. Because the construction of something, including building a prosperous bourgeois society is work.
                        There are still a bunch of conditions, because labor alone does not solve anything. Even the percussion. You can dig a hole in the morning, and after dinner, dig it. A lot of work, but zero results.
                4. 0
                  16 August 2017 19: 53
                  Quote: Christochist
                  Do you want to say nonsense - think first, and then keep silent

                  yes, no doubt when silent you look smarter
                5. +2
                  16 August 2017 20: 04
                  Quote: Christochist
                  And what is he wrong about? In the prevailing world order, you need to know your place.

                  usually if you show your place - then it is much worse than that which you could take yourself. The Japanese are no wiser than many. A country without resources fought with America, the Union, China ... at the same time, it got a nuclear club. Germany rejected wild capitalism and the worker there began to receive more officials - in the end, now we see what we see.
                  Quote: Christochist
                  On this planet, everything is already divided and there is no one to redistribute
                  - here is the problem guess yourself. As for the collapse of the Union, it was just the party elites who wanted to live as they live now. Here I agree with you, but it’s not the people who have eliminated this manipulation, including the Anglo-Saxons.
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                    1. +3
                      16 August 2017 22: 14
                      Quote: J77
                      Japan fought with the Union? Where and when?

                      Is memory bad? in 1938 and 1939, Hassan and Khalkhin Goal.
                      1. J77
                        0
                        16 August 2017 22: 28
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Is memory bad?

                        With memory is good.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        1938 and 1939, Hassan and Khalkhin Goal.

                        Hm. Hassan, this is the Soviet attack on Manchuria. And here is Japan?
                        Khalkhin-Gol, this is a raid of the Red Army inland of Chinese territory (Mongolia) and a meeting there (clash) with the Japanese who fought with China.
                        Where is the Union war with Japan?
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            2. +7
              16 August 2017 14: 58
              Quote: Basarev
              And Russia could become the second Japan,

              Russia would become the second Ukraine
              1. +3
                16 August 2017 16: 22
                Are you sure? Taiwan did not become the second China. And Arabia did not become a second Egypt.
                1. +1
                  16 August 2017 19: 33
                  Quote: Basarev
                  Are you sure? Taiwan did not become the second China

                  I am sure. Taiwan has become Taiwan's fairly well-known state, but Bolivar cannot stand the two. For some people it’s good when others feel bad. So it happens between states. Only for America it is also finance. If everything is good, then who will take loans from them ???
            3. +5
              16 August 2017 16: 22
              Quote: Basarev
              This is precisely the difference between the West and the Chinese locust.

              Maybe we ourselves will take indemnity, as we have already done more than once in the last millennium ?! And then - what kind of perversion is it - to submit to the weaker, but evil? And the West is many times weaker than Russia, even collective! That is why it no longer wants armed confrontation, because it knows it will rake to the very top. So it craps, as it can, stealthily, or howls and stupidly stupidly when everything happens not according to their intentions. These are animals !! Geeks are simple, nonhumans, and you, if you are not kidding, offer animals to obey ?! Ugh on you! (If of course you can seriously scribble such nonsense!)
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                1. +3
                  16 August 2017 18: 48
                  These geeks live an order of magnitude richer than our most sophisticated professors.
                  In your opinion, eating three throats is the most important thing in life? The West hated the USSR because Soviet people were creators, creators, and Westerners were confident consumers.
                  1. +2
                    16 August 2017 20: 10
                    These soulless Western consumers scored more than the Nobel Prizes, so do not put them stupid gluttons. And the reason for the alleged hatred is because the USSR, with its impoverished population, publicly declared that it longs to encroach on Western well-being. It’s about how your house is full, a car, and a hefty neighbor drunk (spiritually rich, like) lives, collecting bottles, what can you fuck from him? .. But he can clean your face if he can ...
                    1. +2
                      16 August 2017 21: 17
                      Quote: Basarev
                      These soulless western consumers scored more than us Nobel Prizes

                      Nobel Prizes ... who themselves decide who to give. I tried to understand the "bead game" once received by Nobel. I have a Ph.D., but I didn’t see anything there. We would go to the West, There are people like you. But I warn you that Homo..seki are in sexual orientation and in life position, at least one facet must be
                      and Nobel himself was a fagot. The prize has not yet been given to the man who gave birth to the child. He betrayed the West of God, the nature of man ...
                    2. +2
                      16 August 2017 22: 32
                      Quote: Basarev
                      And the reason for the alleged hatred is because the USSR, with its impoverished population, publicly declared that it longs to encroach on Western well-being

                      From this place in more detail.
                      Quote: Basarev
                      And it’s not the West that doesn’t want a conflict, it’s the Russians who are ready for any humiliation and impoverishment "if only there is no war

                      Although it’s not worth it ....
                      And how do you still live in this "land of masters, the camp of slaves"?
        2. +5
          16 August 2017 12: 11
          interesting twists in your brain .... woe to the vanquished — have you never heard such an axiom?
          1. J77
            +1
            16 August 2017 19: 21
            Quote: Long in stock.
            woe to the vanquished — have you never heard such an axiom?

            Tell the Germans and Japanese. That's the grief they have, so grief.
            1. +1
              16 August 2017 21: 22
              Quote: J77
              Tell the Germans and Japanese. Here is their grief, so grief

              I don’t know about the Japanese, but many Germans from Germany are returning. Due to the forcefully cultivated pederasty, even the lessons are special, the lack of prospects for the Russian Germans. They would leave more and keep their loans for many years overwhelming, the help once received first must be returned
              1. J77
                +1
                16 August 2017 21: 34
                Quote: aybolyt678
                but many Germans from Germany are returning.

                Have you tried to give such sketches from the stage? For money.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Would leave more yes keep

                Quote: aybolyt678
                help once received must be returned first

                "Help" implies irrevocability. Learn the terminology. And do not invent fables.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                redite perennial excessive

                Do you know the interest rate on loans in Germany?
                No, well, where do such ignoramuses come from in the age of the Internet?
                1. +2
                  17 August 2017 00: 10
                  and the Germans .. we just felt sorry for them .. but they would definitely not have us ..
                  1. J77
                    0
                    17 August 2017 00: 33
                    Quote: Long in stock.
                    and the Germans .. we just felt sorry for them .. but they would definitely not have us ..

                    You try in vain to shock me with writing all sorts of nonsense. I haven't heard that before.
                    1. 0
                      17 August 2017 08: 14
                      shock you? you have too much opinion about yourself .. what you heard more is sure of it. when they spoke in front of the mirror, they obviously carried a lot more rubbish ...
                2. 0
                  17 August 2017 09: 52
                  Quote: J77
                  "Help" implies irrevocability. Learn the terminology. And don't make up fables

                  I live in a German village, here children learn Russian from the first grade and native German. I’m not saying that I read it somewhere, but I hear from living people. Many have returned and many want to leave from there.
                  1. 0
                    17 August 2017 10: 29
                    he shouldn’t try to explain something. he knows, because he believes ... and in faith no evidence is needed ...
            2. +2
              17 August 2017 00: 08
              and you from Poland know the Japanese well? if you had lived a week as an average Japanese, you would have already carried you forward with your orchestra upside down ..
              1. J77
                0
                17 August 2017 00: 35
                Quote: Long in stock.
                if you had lived for a week as an average Japanese, you would have already taken you and the orchestra forward with your feet ..

                I am happy for you, a great specialist in Japan. It is a pity that your "knowledge" is gleaned from garbage sources.
                1. 0
                  17 August 2017 08: 15
                  not at all ... I never claimed your sources .. don’t worry, the trash will remain yours .. well maybe Basarev will force you out there but you’ll figure it out.
        3. +15
          16 August 2017 12: 31
          Basarev. "And yet the most sensible decision would be to give up."

          BASAREV. Reading your opuses - the mustache is gone, we must give up, we all die - I suggest: how to be an honest person, tired of life by order - to shoot yourself. How to bask - shoot yourself, help evolution.
        4. 0
          16 August 2017 14: 30
          Basarev Today, 12:01 Stah-aaaa? fool
        5. +9
          16 August 2017 16: 15
          Quote: Basarev
          Still, the most sensible decision would be to give up.

          But four put this creature pluses!
          They give birth to such !!!
        6. +1
          16 August 2017 19: 27
          Quote: Basarev
          Still, the most sensible decision would be to give up

          Katz always offered to surrender - quote from the movie "The weather is good on Deribasovskaya"
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        8. +1
          17 August 2017 03: 28
          How do you respond to the following objection (see next paragraph)?

          Russia surrendered already in the 90s, and it was very painful. Does Russia need this?
    2. +1
      16 August 2017 12: 35
      What you call the rules is the international obligations of Russia and international laws. Therefore, you need to start with the fact that to ensure their implementation. But to return or leave is stupid as it will again change the prevailing reality. But it is necessary to negotiate and move away from isolationism.
  5. +4
    16 August 2017 11: 08
    Historically, financial and economic embargoes imposed by the United States, the West, rarely led to the weakening of unwanted regimes.


    They did not lead to a weakening of the regime, but they frozen the country economically. North Korea, Cuba and Iran are excellent examples. Yes, there were no coups in them, but what is it like for ordinary people to live there? And about the fact that the sanctions did not affect the economy of the Russian Federation ... well, how to say ... products are growing and growing in price ...
    1. 0
      16 August 2017 20: 11
      Quote: Choi
      but they froze the country economically.

      Union from 31 to 41g. of the last century was severely frozen.
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          16 August 2017 21: 25
          Quote: J77
          well, by the Bolsheviks. Only it is more correct from December 1927 to December 1991

          I insist all the same on the period 30 - 41, do you know anything about him except the word Stink?
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        2. +4
          16 August 2017 22: 26
          Quote: J77
          For only 64 of the year, all these "socialisms" of all kinds on the territory of Russia held out. And stink ...

          Just do not interlinearly prioritize Germany’s post-war economic successes, as this territorial entity owes its achievements primarily to investments from the USA (mainly) and Great Britain (to a lesser extent) during Hitler's rise to power, and to the Marshall Plan after the defeat of Nazi Germany.
          As for 64 years, you haven’t lived so much, but you have changed your place of residence with your parents, and now you consider yourself a “true Aryan” who has made a great contribution to building the economic miracle of present-day Germany. Do you live on German money? God help you. But do not speak for the entire German people.
          1. J77
            0
            16 August 2017 22: 48
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Just do not interlinearly prioritize Germany’s post-war economic successes

            Persuaded, I won’t. Italy, can I? What about Finland?
            You can still recall the CMEA countries and the Baltic states after the collapse of the USSR. Something better to live than with the "social camp". Well, at least you crack.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            and Marshall’s plan after the defeat of Nazi Germany

            But what about this plan in more detail? What bad did you find in this regard? Everyone likes him, but not you.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            and now consider yourself a “true Aryan” who has made a great contribution to building the economic miracle of present-day Germany.

            Are you Kashpirovsky? Or grandfather Nostradamus? How can you be aware that I consider myself there?
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Do you live on German money?

            I actually live on my own. What I wish you.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            But do not speak for the entire German people.

            I don’t remember that I even said anything about him.
            1. +3
              16 August 2017 22: 54
              Quote: J77
              Just do not interlinearly prioritize Germany’s post-war economic successes
              Persuaded, I won’t. Italy, can I? What about Finland?

              What are these successes?
              Quote: J77
              You can still recall Poland and the Baltic states after the collapse of the USSR.

              Be consistent - do not confuse BEFORE and AFTER. This is about the "rich" Baltic farmers working in enterprises from Lithuania to Estonia.
              Teach materiel.
              1. J77
                +2
                16 August 2017 23: 04
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                What are these successes?

                Do not see any success? My condolences to you. Do not despair, now medicine works wonders. Some recommend Cuban. I do not recommend.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                This is about the "rich" Baltic farmers working in enterprises from Lithuania to Estonia.

                You to the material level of the inhabitants of the Baltic states, like ..., well, I don’t know where. And all the same, criticizes.
  6. +4
    16 August 2017 12: 00
    one hundred twenty (!) times the United States announced sanctions since 1945

    Well, right "Stakhanovites". They are so diligently building their well-being at the expense of others that they spare no money and health for building "American democracy" around the world.
    1. +2
      16 August 2017 12: 42
      This is called creating competitive advantage.
  7. +5
    16 August 2017 12: 53
    You cannot glue a broken vase. Neither socialism, nor territory can be returned in its original form. 1948. Germany was destroyed by the war. Adenauer took over as Chancellor, and in his first speech, he declared, "Endless capitalism has come to an end. We
    we will build a new society, which will be called socio-economic. "Workers began to receive more salaries than officials. Stimulated workers to invest surplus money in state-owned banks. The result of these reforms
    affected after two years, the GDP of this country grew by 20%.
    1. +2
      16 August 2017 15: 27
      Quote: nikvic46
      .No socialism, nor territory in its original form can not be returned

      We have experience, we even have people left, in China there is an institute for studying the problems of the collapse of the USSR, there is experience in Japan, experience in Germany. There is no political will and will not be until there is an Ideology.
      1. 0
        18 August 2017 11: 13
        "there is no political will and will not be until there is ideology"
        Offend. At the invitation of Yegor Gaidar, thousands of ideologists of the Peace Corps came to Russia and
        fourteen years fooled our people. This is not such a harmless mission. The CIA in its
        branches of "Tolstoyans" does not hold.
    2. J77
      0
      16 August 2017 19: 25
      Quote: nikvic46
      Workers began to get paid more than officials.

      QUALIFIED workers. They always got her so big. And now they get it.
      Do not confuse the proletariat (laborer) with the worker. And do not confuse a low-skilled worker with a skilled one. And with the proletariat.
      The "working class" is an ordinary Soviet fiction. Lies, simply put.
      1. +1
        16 August 2017 20: 12
        what country are you talking about?
        1. J77
          0
          16 August 2017 20: 20
          Quote: aybolyt678
          what country are you talking about?

          About everything more or less adequate. Skilled workers in any society earn VERY MUCH. Even under "socialism" in the USSR it was like that, although for some reason there was a very good pay for the proletarians and dropouts.
        2. 0
          16 August 2017 21: 40
          Quote: aybolyt678
          this is an ordinary Soviet fiction

          I found the Soviet era, there were never fictions, there was a colossal ideological hole. Because of our "elites"
          1. J77
            0
            16 August 2017 22: 36
            Quote: aybolyt678
            I found Soviet time, there were never fictions

            Do you have vision problems? And with a rumor? And with understanding?
            There were, say, fictions? Oh well.
            Quote: aybolyt678
            there was a colossal ideological hole

            What is it like? Total ideology, is that an ideological hole? Where is even more ideology?
            1. 0
              17 August 2017 09: 59
              Quote: J77
              Where is even more ideology?

              I wrote a lot about this, I will write more: Ideology is what should unite palaces with squares. There is such a fr. proverb that palaces and squares think differently. If the palaces are not concerned about developing a common ideology, barricades arise. England has been helping with this since the Decembrists. The party elite in the Union wanted Western chic and gained it by losing its ideological foundation and country. State ideology is the ability to identify and eliminate enemies of the people as well.
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  9. +3
    16 August 2017 16: 00
    The title topic is not disclosed in the article.
    People did not see the root.
    The root is that in a system that works according to the law, the winner receives everything, and the loser nothing, an enormous social stratification is formed. In capitalism, the winner is the one who has earned more. In the USSR, one who was able to win ideological competition, in a party career, since the Soviet elite is primarily a party elite with fierce competition, with clans, etc. The systems are different, but the principles are the same. In the cap. success is determined by a bank account in the system, and in the Soviet system there was a complex system of formal and informal criteria. One of the most important success criteria was joining the system of special distributors, not accessible to ordinary Soviet citizens. There were 99% of ordinary citizens, 1% of party officials and their families with access to the elite consumption system.

    In general, the theme of "oligarchs" is precisely the main theme on which the organizers of the orange revolutions from the CIA build their manipulative strategies in relation to Russia before our elections. This is their main bet. The goal is to overwhelm the Russian authorities.
  10. J77
    0
    16 August 2017 18: 37
    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    DPRK: in this poor country

    Like this? What, a country from the "socialist camp" can it really be poor? After all, everyone knows that the socialist countries, they are the richest. And they are populated by the happiest people in the world.
    Because others, they are just being treated there. Mostly forced. From the mind, which is sorrow for them.
    And here, a poor country. Child mortality. Hunger. Malnutrition. It can not be.
    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    US sanctions against the DPRK have been around since the Korean War.

    US sanctions and UN sanctions are two different things. US sanctions against Cuba also exist for a long time. And also especially do not affect anything. Do Americans go there on vacation? Canadians ride. That’s the whole difference.
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  12. +4
    16 August 2017 22: 36
    J77,
    Quote: J77
    Hm. Hassan, this is the Soviet attack on Manchuria. And here is Japan?
    Khalkhin-Gol, this is a raid of the Red Army inland of Chinese territory (Mongolia) and a meeting there (clash) with the Japanese who fought with China.
    Where is the Union war with Japan?

    Where is your knowledge of history? Or is it now being taught in Germany? Textbooks in Poland, probably printed?
    wassat
    1. J77
      0
      16 August 2017 22: 52
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Where is your knowledge of history?

      And what, are there any claims to the stated facts?
      No, it cannot be.
      Well, that's just the same. There is nothing to cover.
      By the way, the USSR still forced China to recognize the independence of Mongolia in 1949. Which, in fact, was the moment of the formation of Mongolia as a state.
      Question, what for did the USSR need this? After all, the Chinese have not forgotten this.
      1. +4
        16 August 2017 22: 55
        Quote: J77
        Well, that's just the same. There is nothing to cover

        Your verbiage only proves your ignorance and bankruptcy in matters of history. Alles Clar ....
        1. J77
          +1
          16 August 2017 22: 59
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Your verbiage only proves

          Boo boo beads. The customer is crippled.
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Alles Clar ....

          Good for you. But a lot of things are not clear to me.
          1. +5
            16 August 2017 23: 42
            Quote: J77
            But a lot of things are not clear to me.

            You are an amazing client of a neuropsychiatric dispensary. Golem verbiage and distorted history.
            1. J77
              +1
              16 August 2017 23: 59
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              You are an amazing client of a neuropsychiatric dispensary.

              Still claiming to be Grandma Wang? Have you already done a sex change operation?
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              veritable verbiage and distorted history.

              Can you give examples?
              Well, I caught you on ignorance of history. They would quietly keep quiet, and business something. But no, now you won’t get a scream.
              1. +3
                17 August 2017 00: 15
                Quote: J77
                Well, I caught you on ignorance of history

                Are you raving
                fool
                1. J77
                  0
                  17 August 2017 00: 37
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Are you raving

                  I do not have your habits.
                  1. +1
                    17 August 2017 05: 36
                    Quote: J77
                    Are you raving

                    I do not have your habits.

                    Every lunatic considers himself normal
  13. 0
    17 August 2017 06: 19
    J77,
    Above the “knowledge” of history is striking
  14. +1
    17 August 2017 08: 47
    “Kennan wrote about the cynical, cruel rulers of Soviet Russia - and noted the traditional mutual alienation between“ boyars ”and“ people. ”But he also understood another thing: any American sanctions and punishments of the Kremlin for misconduct will not achieve their goal, since the rulers will immediately transfer all their burdens on the people, portraying themselves as saviors from external aggression. "

    http://www.bbc.com/russian/blog-vox-historicus-40
    856086
    How many years have passed, but nothing has changed.
    1. 0
      17 August 2017 12: 36
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      How many years have passed, but nothing has changed

      I join you and advise you to see: https://topwar.ru/122490-chitayte-tyutcheva-gospo
      da.html
  15. 0
    17 August 2017 12: 45
    Quote: J77
    Quote: aybolyt678
    but many Germans from Germany are returning.

    Have you tried to give such sketches from the stage? For money.

    Are you ready to pay? Then pay: 5 "A" class of school No. 34 in Orenburg, two students, Maxim and Anisia, from German families who have returned from prosperous Europe to suffering Russia in recent years. Two. In one class. Both are Germans. From different families. How do you like the social cut?
    I accidentally saw your sarcasm resulting from ignorance, did not monitor this topic on purpose, but ... Pay for these - I will conduct research outside this class laughing .
  16. 0
    20 August 2017 13: 05
    So, it turns out the Americans will not remove the scalps from the top of Russia? What a pity, so weak. I would certainly try in their place. And there would be a chain reaction. This is not the DPRK, where capital and resources are not driven, block the movement of capital and trade and die. Already, the elite wants a new round of privatization, because they have devoured everything and are leaving at a loss, and are looking to push something else from the Russians.

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