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Designer: the Ukrainian engine could copy for the DPRK

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The chief designer of the Yuzhnoye design bureau, Alexander Degtyarev, admitted that any country managed to copy the Ukrainian rocket engine and then transfer it to North Korea, reports RIA News.



I am sure that none of our employees are involved in helping to build a rocket engine in the DPRK. And our engines are highly valued and used throughout the world. Maybe somewhere some copies and managed to do,
said the designer of the online publication "Strana.ua".

Degtyarev called the article in the New York Times "an invention of someone who wants to remind himself, show the result of his work and put out his name."

Earlier, the American newspaper, referring to the classified data of the special services and research by the expert of the IISS analytical center Michael Elleman, said that the DPRK “could get engines for its ballistic missiles produced by Yuzhmash through the black market.”

Later, the secretary of the National Security Council of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov said that Kiev "did not supply weapon and military technology to North Korea. "

In turn, the IISS Center noted that Elleman did not talk about technology transfer to Pyongyang directly from the manufacturer or from the Ukrainian government.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 15 August 2017 13: 59
    +8
    Designer: the Ukrainian engine could copy for the DPRK


    The USA cannot copy ... here clowns and China would have been a long time, but nothing.
    1. vch
      vch 15 August 2017 14: 04
      +11
      I am more inclined to believe that the current rulers (or maybe the former ones) have sold several engines under the guise. Under the conditions that Ukraine over the past 20 years has only done what it sold that is left to it from the Union - it’s not surprising that it pushed the engines with a quiet glander ... Few examples of arms deliveries to hot spots? Including ISIS .....
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 15 August 2017 14: 13
        +7
        Twenty five again !. Well, they didn’t do rocket engines on Yuzhmash! And about the "copy" above, the Yankees correctly wrote with the Chinese, and the former even have documentation on the NK-33, and nothing)))).
        Most likely artificially create hemorrhoids for Ukraine, the question is - for what purpose?
        1. vch
          vch 15 August 2017 14: 25
          +7
          Somehow strange ..... The chief designer says that they did, but you say no request
          1. A1845
            A1845 15 August 2017 14: 41
            +7
            Quote: vch
            Somehow strange ..... The chief designer says that they did, but you say no request
            still no to yes! engines for Yuzhmash were made by NPO Energomash, which is in the glorious city of Khimki wink
            Well, the news on lol and everyone discusses them together
            bredos s ..
            1. AlexKP
              AlexKP 15 August 2017 14: 49
              +1
              Not only Energomash, second-stage engines and steering did KBHA. But after the collapse, they based on Energomashevsky 15D117 muddied their own. they even tried to sell it to the Americans instead of rd 180, but the couple didn’t grow together there.
              1. A1845
                A1845 15 August 2017 17: 42
                0
                Quote: AlexKP
                engines of the second stage and steering did KBHA
                Voronezh south of Khimki, but not Ukraine ..
                1. AlexKP
                  AlexKP 15 August 2017 18: 16
                  +2
                  I am aware of this. the comment was that not only Energomash made engines for Yuzhmash.
                  1. A1845
                    A1845 16 August 2017 10: 37
                    0
                    Quote: AlexKP
                    the comment was that not only Energomash made engines for Yuzhmash.

                    I agree, how not to remember Cosberg with a kind word
            2. Catherine II
              Catherine II 15 August 2017 17: 42
              +1
              Quote: A1845
              Well, the news on IN lol and everyone is discussing them together
              bredos s ..

              because the headings do not correspond to the content. And reprints ... even with distortions of the original source ... Intended. Sense to discuss distorted information? Which, having passed the 3 source, no longer corresponds to the initial one completely!
              Just scandalous news in many media ... and this is the mass consciousness .. there are not many experts or understanding. Therefore, they believe in the word headlines.
        2. AlexKP
          AlexKP 15 August 2017 14: 36
          +6
          RD-843 is a Ukrainian liquid-propellant rocket engine that runs on a fuel pair of UDMH and AT. The engine is designed for 5 starts in flight and can deviate up to 10 degrees in each direction.

          The engine was developed by Yuzhnoye Design Bureau for Fiat Avio and manufactured at the Yuzhmash plant. It uses a combustion chamber from the RD-869 engine of the Soviet R-36M ICBM. The RD-843 was tested in 74 tests, 140 ignitions, reaching a total operating time of 8201 s, which is approximately equal to 12 service life on 4 engines. As of August 2, 2017, it was successfully used on 10 orbital launches.

          Now used as the main engine of the Vega launcher on the upper stage of AVUM
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 15 August 2017 15: 05
            +6
            It is advisable to understand more deeply.
            RD-843 engine weighing 16,5 kg. and traction 250 kgf. - This is called a “pshikalka,” even if it is four-chamber. Such a small and low-power engine is already used directly in outer space and most likely on additional units i.e. when the spacecraft already has an impulse, and this is a completely different story. And in this "news" we are talking about engines with a capacity of several hundred or tens (for the second stage) tons.
            1. A1845
              A1845 15 August 2017 16: 08
              0
              Quote: maxim947
              this is called zhikalka
              you won’t be sure to launch such a missile
              another thing - on the "bus" for breeding warheads
            2. neri73-r
              neri73-r 15 August 2017 21: 35
              +1
              We are talking about an engine with a thrust of 45 tons and the name begins with two RD 2 ......, called, did not remember. It was made by Yuzhmash in the 60s, the last launch of the engine into space in 2009.
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 18 August 2017 09: 10
                0
                I recognized RD-120 (0120), really did and really did 45 tons. So, I was wrong.
        3. venik
          venik 15 August 2017 15: 52
          +1
          Quote: maxim947
          Twenty five again !. Well, they didn’t do rocket engines on Yuzhmash!

          ==========
          Correctly!! At Yuzhmash - They didn’t! But in Pavlograd (I don’t know what it is now called - everywhere “renaming”) - DID !!!! True - "solid fuel" (but for ICBMs .....)
        4. In100gram
          In100gram 15 August 2017 22: 53
          0
          Quote: maxim947
          Most likely artificially create hemorrhoids for Ukraine, the question is - for what purpose?

          The goal is at any time you can block the "oxygen". Sanctions, for example, loans. Bend Yuzhmash for sure.
        5. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 16 August 2017 04: 07
          0
          Quote: maxim947
          Well, they didn’t do rocket engines on Yuzhmash!

          hmm. and then what was produced at this plant?
      2. Stranger03
        Stranger03 15 August 2017 14: 24
        +4
        General Designer of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau Alexander Degtyarev admitted that a country has managed to copy a Ukrainian rocket engine and then transfer it to North Korea

        It is strange why they did not find a trace of Russia in this matter. After all, on Facebook you can certainly find evidence that Russia is to blame, wassat
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 15 August 2017 14: 48
          +6
          If Russia were to blame, they would fly to New York.
          1. Kent0001
            Kent0001 15 August 2017 16: 05
            +1
            You can’t say better. Plus.
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 15 August 2017 19: 10
              0
              Or maybe they are preparing, as they call it, an information bomb when all this is more turbulent, say BA! So this is only Russia can do.
          2. Catherine II
            Catherine II 15 August 2017 17: 44
            0
            Quote: MoJloT
            If Russia were to blame, they would fly to New York.

            accused .. just Ukraine is more interesting for Russians ..
            therefore, the news is written without parts where they accuse the Russian Federation.
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 16 August 2017 04: 10
              0
              Quote: Catherine II
              Ukraine is more interesting for Russians ..

              Do not imagine yourself a kind of Israel among the Arabs. we need you. ugh ..
            2. MMX
              MMX 16 August 2017 07: 12
              0
              Quote: Catherine II
              Quote: MoJloT
              If Russia were to blame, they would fly to New York.

              accused .. just Ukraine is more interesting for Russians ..
              therefore, the news is written without parts where they accuse the Russian Federation.


              Let's just say, in a stubborn article, the leitmotif and almost bluntly says that the source of rocket engines is Ukraine. China and the Russian Federation are mentioned there rather for the sake of pro forma. But in general, it is concluded that, in general, in Ukraine and after 2014, in particular, Yuzhmash is in a deplorable state, and there is no single centralized control system for missile technologies in Ukraine after the revolution. So it goes...
        2. Kondratko
          Kondratko 15 August 2017 15: 36
          0
          "It is strange why they did not find a trace of Russia in this matter."
          In the course of the project, Ukraine has exhausted itself due to the insurmountable and centuries-old "national characteristics / customs." And now they simply begin to pour them into the toilet so that they themselves do not get their hands dirty.
      3. Nasrat
        Nasrat 15 August 2017 14: 29
        0
        "Chain scandal-2": the US finish off Poroshenko according to the same scheme as Kuchma
        http://kot-sapog.livejournal.com/6964295.html
    2. Sheridan
      Sheridan 15 August 2017 14: 15
      +2
      A mozhe wono to get there? Honest Ukraine no one in the world is better.
      1. Aspid 57
        Aspid 57 15 August 2017 14: 21
        +1
        Correctly! He broke down the test bench and flew under his own power.
    3. papas-57
      papas-57 15 August 2017 18: 51
      0
      Naive people are these designers and engineers, no commercial acumen. They would invent something new and build. But thank God the "effective managers" and "" government officials "who will sell anything and to anyone for personal gain have not yet been extinct in Ukraine. By the way, and in Russia such in bulk.
  2. Mwg
    Mwg 15 August 2017 14: 01
    +2
    "The general designer of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Alexander Degtyarev, admitted that a country has managed to copy a Ukrainian rocket engine and then transfer it to North Korea" - why are there such difficulties? Given the craving of today's owners of Ukraine to turn everything that is bad into bucks, it can be assumed that they themselves sold to Koreans without any copyists. Someone got a good gesheft))
    So the New York Times sometimes writes the truth)))
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 15 August 2017 14: 14
      +2
      President of Ukraine Poroshenko (Valtsman) and Prime Minister Groysman could well sell to “fill their pockets” and most likely organized the production of engines in the country by transferring technology for a reason. Recently, new engines were tested one after one in the DPRK, then a new nuclear warhead was tested, then one after the other launches three new types of missiles.
      Testing a new DPRK rocket engine.
    2. the villain
      the villain 15 August 2017 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: MVG
      Given the craving of today's owners of Ukraine to turn everything that is bad into bucks, it can be assumed that they themselves sold to Koreans without any copyists. Someone got a good gesheft))
      So the New York Times sometimes writes the truth)))

      Oh, my heart feels that Ukraine is now, not hiding relief, for it has already got everyone, they will be recorded as members of the world axis of evil. But it turns out logically: Don does not give money, so you can also ask Kimushka, along the way, having built Don’s goat’s face.
    3. avt
      avt 15 August 2017 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: MVG
      So the New York Times sometimes writes the truth))

      Secret of the open door. Great ukry rocket technology was taken out quite under cover of a contract for the construction of a cosmodrome in Brazil. Well, they did not make tables in the Ukrainian SSR, and even more so cosmodromes. But Cyclone is a kind of conversion of a Soviet military missile to itself, so it was originally a scam for the export of rocket technology to those who paid the most. So the US can certainly easily recognize the names of those who traveled with documentation and even samples to Brazil , where there are a lot of wild monkeys and more. Well, judging by how the Great Ukrainians began to squeeze drop by drop - it’s just as if they started to take the Bejs and this has allowed the rear-wheel drive to turn on the start.
  3. HAM
    HAM 15 August 2017 14: 07
    +3
    One could believe, if one did not know the mentality of Ukrainians.

    And us for sho !?
  4. pavelty
    pavelty 15 August 2017 14: 11
    0
    Probably in North Korea with all the desire they could not be copied. And what other country is this?
    1. zivXP
      zivXP 15 August 2017 14: 39
      +1
      Why couldn’t it? Having those documentation is not very easy, but the neighbors are experienced at hand.
  5. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 15 August 2017 14: 17
    +4
    First, some countries copied the technical process to themselves, and then, having failed to figure out the terms on the mov, they spat and passed it to the North Koreans!
  6. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 15 August 2017 14: 32
    +3
    reported that the DPRK could "through the black market receive for its ballistic missiles engines manufactured at Yuzhmash."
    So, maybe. For dill now represents one big and black market. yes
  7. Flinky
    Flinky 15 August 2017 14: 35
    0
    Mow down on us. Fortunately, we do not even need to copy.
  8. Pivasik
    Pivasik 15 August 2017 14: 44
    +1
    We must blame everything on the former leader ... of the country 404 request
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 August 2017 14: 45
    +3
    In addition to the drawings, technology is needed. It is impossible to repeat without specialists. So most likely - the engines were sold TOTAL! They were not copied. This is not possible for the DPRK.
  10. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 August 2017 14: 47
    0
    Elleman is the very one who launched the duck that the Hwason-14 warhead collapsed before falling into the sea.
    Which Ukrainian engine did Korea buy is not clear?
    Interestingly solid fuel engine from whom the Koreans bought - from Russia, China, France or Israel?
  11. Altona
    Altona 15 August 2017 14: 50
    0
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Which Ukrainian engine did Korea buy is not clear?
    Interestingly solid fuel engine from whom the Koreans bought - from Russia, China, France or Israel?

    -----------------------------
    I doubt that the DPRK could buy it legally. Still, some defectors are behind this.
  12. bk316
    bk316 15 August 2017 14: 53
    +4
    I wonder what the country of the first democracy will say,
    when the nuclerenbaton flies to her on an engine made by the best students.
    In general, forward 404! The following hezbollah buyers they also want to popularize, they have Israel.

    By the way, now everyone except Una is probably happy that they exported nuclear supplies from 404, otherwise they would not be an engine, but they would sell a set of two in one.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 August 2017 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      I wonder what the country of the first democracy will say,

      Well, if not a country, then its resident has already spoken out ....
      The author of the popular SNAFU Solomon blog, an American marine who does not reveal his identity on the Web, commented on yesterday’s scandal caused by the publication of the New York Times about the supply of rocket engines to the Ukrainian CB Yuzhmash Pyongyang
      "Ukraine. Well of course this is fucking Ukraine. From the very beginning, I was wondering why we should support this nest of Nazism, ever since I first saw the photo of the Azov brigade. Anyway: taking sides in a civil war is somehow abnormal. I wondered all the time why we should be worried at all, ”he writes.
      “And now I find out that they supply weapons components to North Korea? Yes, give them to Russia, let it take them away. He will divide, take what is necessary, and we will sit back and look. ”
      “What good is this? Yes, the fact that we can get the same as North Korea, because the Ukrainians will sell anything to anyone, ”the marine writes.

      That's about the fact that it must be given to Russia, so that it Ukraine ... uh, uh, I reasoned, I agree with him.
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 15 August 2017 17: 57
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        uh, I admonished, I agree with him.

        I do not agree with him. What kind of blog author is he if he believes the first article without understanding? In addition, the article does not directly talk about the possibility, and not direct and conscious. In general, the emotional post he went to the article .. what is required at this stage.
        However, he has all the events in the world-emotional short posts.
    2. the villain
      the villain 15 August 2017 21: 32
      0
      Quote: bk316
      otherwise they would not be an engine, but a two-in-one set would be sold.

      With delivery anywhere in the world under its own power wassat
  13. LAWNER
    LAWNER 15 August 2017 14: 57
    0
    I understand that in addition to the drawings, is technology also needed? And I think that no one will give them to Korea. It looks like a disu.
  14. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 15 August 2017 15: 03
    +1
    Copied-well yes wassat kids on the knee in the barn fool Whom does he hold for woodpeckers? ?? am
  15. Altona
    Altona 15 August 2017 15: 45
    0

    The author of the popular SNAFU Solomon blog, an American marine who does not disclose his identity on the Web, commented on yesterday’s scandal caused by the publication of the New York Times about the supply of rocket engines to the Ukrainian CB Yuzhmash Pyongyang.

    “Ukraine, which we kind of should support against Russia, is supplying weapons equipment to North Korea? Seriously?" - He is indignant, citing the same article in the New York Times on the pages of his blog.

    "Ukraine. Well of course this is fucking Ukraine. From the very beginning, I was wondering why we should support this nest of Nazism, ever since I first saw the photo of the Azov brigade. Anyway: taking sides in a civil war is somehow abnormal. I wondered all the time why we should be worried at all, ”he writes.
    “And now I find out that they supply weapons components to North Korea? Yes, give them to Russia, let it take them away. He will divide, take what is necessary, and we will sit back and look. ”
    “What good is this? Yes, the fact that we can get the same as North Korea, because the Ukrainians will sell anything to anyone, ”the marine writes.

    SNAFU Solomon's blog focuses on weapons, counter-terrorism, military affairs and politics. The author does not disclose his real name, since he is currently serving in the US Army.

    Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1502789865
  16. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 15 August 2017 15: 51
    +2
    From a joke) .... and what kind of people will sell their mother and father for a piece of gold? - A prolonged silence, then the answer "But we are drunkenly drunk"
  17. Catherine II
    Catherine II 15 August 2017 17: 38
    0
    well, just the same thing - RIA writes
    a country managed to copy a Ukrainian rocket engine and then transfer it to North Korea

    and this, says the General Designer
    Maybe somewhere some copies and managed to make,

    Not even a perversion, but a conscious distortion of words with conclusions. This RIA news indulges in a distortion of information ...
    Let's look at the very source (the country of yua)
    Oh, closer to body headline
    General Designer of Design Bureau "South": I do not exclude that somewhere they could make a copy of our engine

    by the way
    The general designer remembered the 2012 incident of the year when two DPRK citizens were sentenced to eight years for spying on Yuzhmash. Alexander Degtyarev said that he didn’t communicate personally with these people. He remembers that such a story took place, but then the leak of valuable information did not occur.

    hmm for spying 8 years give ... Songchel and Thekil for Satan then tied ..
    oh yes .. it’s strange that only the “Ukrainian trace” is being promoted in
    On August 9, the DW published an interview with rocket engineer Robert Schmucker, who is now a professor at the Technical University in Munich. He is also studying the "North Korean issue."
    "The previous missiles that the North Koreans launch every now and then are SCUD, Nodon and Tochka missiles - all these are Soviet developments. From photographs from military parades, from launches it can be seen that the vast majority of them are old Soviet missiles But the new missiles launched in the last 12-14 months are based on a different technology, which is no longer related to SCUD and others. They should have created this technology literally from nothing. But here we see that used in these missiles, the engines tupili of Russia ", - said Schmucker.

    and there China is blamed ..
    In short, Ukraine / Russia / China is to blame for the "successes" of Koreans .... that’s the topic of newspaper scandals.
    1. Alsi
      Alsi 16 August 2017 08: 55
      0
      = and this, says the General Designer ... =
      Isn’t it a shame that Ukrainian Gen Constructor carries such nonsense? Already someone, and he should know that for the production of engines you need technologies for creating components, and moreover, special technologies, special alloys, equipment for production, instrumentation and automation systems, and all this is created for YEARS, and not for "12-14 months".
      Ukrainian rulers crap eagerly, eagerly in front of their American masters.
  18. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 15 August 2017 18: 42
    0
    I congratulate the DPRK, it worked clearly .. And these cockshot showdowns are trifles! Ukraine is selling everything, this is no longer news ... Chernozem has remained and it is already being exported to the EU! Well done "brothers", they created these technologies and enterprises all over the country, and you sold everything for 25 cents, but you couldn’t destroy it forever ..
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 16 August 2017 08: 51
      0
      What do you congratulate them with. With success that brings war closer to our borders. Are you out of your mind?
  19. Old26
    Old26 15 August 2017 18: 57
    0
    Quote: maxim947
    Twenty five again !. Well, they didn’t do rocket engines on Yuzhmash!

    Of course they didn’t
    We open the site of Yuzhmash and read about the assortment of products that he produced (produces). It is clear from him that he did the rocket engines. Both mine - KB-4 UMZ, and created in KB Glushko.
    http://www.yuzhmash.com/production/index/rengines
    ? Id = 24

    Quote: A1845
    still no to yes! engines for Yuzhmash were made by NPO Energomash, which is in the glorious city of Khimki

    CREATED in the city of Khimki. And the issue was incl. and in Ukraine

    Quote: A1845
    you won’t be sure to launch such a missile

    What about the RD-261 engine? With a total thrust of 251 tons?
  20. Ustin Umarov
    Ustin Umarov 15 August 2017 20: 26
    0
    Well, what this stubborn one can still say: if for the truth about the sold engines he will be killed.
  21. bratuha
    bratuha 15 August 2017 21: 51
    0
    Of course they could copy .... But it will be somehow simpler to buy something from Ukraine. Get cheaper!
    1. Alsi
      Alsi 16 August 2017 08: 48
      0
      = Of course they could copy .... =
      ))) This is not a pan.
  22. Alsi
    Alsi 16 August 2017 08: 46
    +1
    “You cannot buy a tram to buy a donkey!” (12 chairs)
    It is ridiculous to look at the pathetic attempts of Ukrainian representatives to otmazatsya from the fact. It is impossible to build an engine even according to the most detailed drawings - materials, technology for the production of materials, equipment, sources are needed. Even a simple safety wire for the engine pipe coupling is made of a special stainless steel. And here - "copied" ....))))
  23. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 16 August 2017 08: 49
    0
    Anyway, we will be to blame.
  24. All the details
    All the details 17 August 2017 00: 23
    0
    I remember, in the early 90s, our NGO South Africa helped. They asked White to replace the engines in the Mirage fighters with something more interesting - to get more traction and weapons, respectively, to take on board. And our design engineers went to a country that is subject to UN restrictions. For the supply of military equipment. And yet, our engines were inserted into the Mirage. For good money from South Africa. Because I wanted to eat in the 90s with cards for everything. And where did Israel bring atomic weapons to full-scale tests? That's right, in the South Africa prohibited by the UN at that time. When Mandela was sitting. So I admit real "help" to the Ukrainian engineers of the fraternal DPRK. For grandmas.