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US marines are switching to M27 rifles

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The United States Marine Corps has announced the purchase of more than 50 new M000 IAR (Heckler & Koch 27) automatic rifles, reports Warspot with a link to thefirearmblog.com portal.

US marines are switching to M27 rifles


The letter of intent states that the Corps will purchase "50 M814 Infantry Automatic Rifles (IAR) from the German company Heckler & Koch."

"The notice of intent is not a tender, and the choice of model weapons made at the discretion of the government ", - stated in the documentation. However, other companies may also submit notices and offer their products.

“The M27 IAR is a Heckler & Koch 416 rifle modified for the US Marine Corps. Since 2010, this weapon has been purchased by the Marines as a replacement for the M249 machine gun. In the fall of 2016, the experimental Marine battalion received an experimental batch of these rifles for testing as a replacement for the M4 automatic carbine. In particular, a study was carried out whether the HK416 meets the requirements that were previously put forward for the M4 carbines. The new rifle has successfully passed all the tests, but had a considerable price - in the basic modification (without sight and other accessories) HK416 costs about $ 3000, ”the author of the article writes.

"Crash test" rifles HK416

It is reported that the main difference between the German automaton and the American model lies in the vapor system: the HK416 uses a short-stroke gas piston circuit, “borrowed” from the HK G36.

HK416 is made from 2004 year and has several modifications with different barrel lengths.
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  1. Logall
    Logall 14 August 2017 12: 51
    +17
    Are the Yankees specially made Futuristic? For adult children? Probably...
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      1. dnestr74
        dnestr74 14 August 2017 13: 10
        +38
        We have contractures in parts of the permanent BG — at least half, you’re stuck in the 90s, and while the draftee doesn’t go round, they don’t give you a rifle.
      2. Squelcher
        Squelcher 14 August 2017 13: 25
        +25
        Your policemen bought it from us very actively, so don’t star here, and no matter what the hole will be from Kalash or from this device with or without a collimator, it depends on the shooter's training.
        Someone from a sports sniper will miss, and wait for the Evenk and the broken-up carbine with a gross cartridge just in the eye.
      3. Mwg
        Mwg 14 August 2017 14: 35
        +14
        For The Lancet.
        Ivan the conscript is not used to the collimator, Ivan the conscript for close combat is genetically tuned. And not greedy for issuing lyuli. Ask the past Ilovaisky boiler PMKashnikov for an opinion
        1. taiti3000
          taiti3000 23 November 2018 06: 20
          0
          But what will the Wagnerites from Syria say?
      4. Engineer
        Engineer 14 August 2017 15: 47
        +8
        Quote: The Lancet
        Of course, under the article, the appearance of experts was expected ... Mosin rifle in hand and go! Then who
        not far gone. Did the collimators even put in your army? Or is it still too complicated equipment for Ivan the conscript?


        As your Jony Springfield Contracting Professionals return, so do ours on Mosin. It’s no more difficult for Ivan to deal with the collimator than John with the tactical diaper.

        ps sorry the letter does not convey the accent, I am sure it is as expressive in yours as ours, which became yours in half a year laughing
      5. Scoun
        Scoun 14 August 2017 18: 05
        +5
        Quote: The Lancet
        Did they even put collimators in your army? Or is it still too complicated equipment for Ivan the conscript?

        1.
        How many US rifles did they purchase?
        Looks like "prisianikov.
        2.
        Sand sprinkled and a box to shake?
        3.
        Mattresses complained that the AK "high" store .... but here that it is less?
        4.
        All units of special forces, MTR, intelligence, etc., etc. They have these notorious sights.
        2014 Crimea, Syria, the Caucasus ....
        Or a pole with a striped flag?
        I see you are such a pro and a connoisseur of weapons ... besides the collimator and the bar, what else can I say is that?
      6. daddy angel
        daddy angel 14 August 2017 19: 48
        0
        You are not hurt
      7. tracer
        tracer 14 August 2017 19: 56
        +4
        You will frighten negroes with a colimator in the gateway or grandmothers on the street. EXPERT ... COLIMATOR FOR DIRECT SHOT calculated. And this is only part of the trajectory of the bullet. You need to play Nintendo shooting games with such knowledge. ON V.O. it's too early for you ...
        1. Walanin
          Walanin 15 August 2017 00: 53
          +2
          Quote: tracer
          EXPERD ... COLIMATOR FOR DIRECT SHOT

          yeah, but from a tactical assault rifle, we must assume that they’re being hit from a howitzer along a hinged path.
          1. tracer
            tracer 15 August 2017 16: 55
            0
            There are many digital cameras on the sights. So they are responsible for the trajectory. But for the next generation, the numbers are difficult ....
    2. Hog
      Hog 14 August 2017 13: 01
      +8
      What is futurism? This is not an FN2000 like.
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      2. Logall
        Logall 14 August 2017 14: 39
        +17
        I will answer all at once:
        In my opinion, it is very similar to the blaster from films of my childhood. Externally. As for the materials - ordinary!
    3. Panzermensch
      Panzermensch 14 August 2017 13: 06
      +14
      What is futuristic for you? Polymer materials? So this is the 20th century. Or should it be made of mahogany from a blind master of the 18th century?
    4. Maz
      Maz 14 August 2017 13: 06
      +6
      Thing. Well done Americans. Great rifle. Interchangeable trunks. Made neatly and thoughtfully. And trouble-free as AKM. And 70% compatible with M16 and Her clones
      1. The Lancet
        The Lancet 14 August 2017 13: 10
        +18
        Thing. Well done Americans. Great rifle.

        Well done German weapons engineers wink
        1. jonhr
          jonhr 14 August 2017 18: 52
          +1
          m-4 also comes with a gas piston. so check shirt what so so. it's all the same AR-15 with only a piston
        2. Vovanya
          Vovanya 14 August 2017 21: 01
          0
          Quote: The Lancet
          Well done German weapons engineers

          Would be great if a new semi-free shutter were invented, and so - overweight - a fighter is not a joy.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 14 August 2017 14: 35
        +9
        Maz Today, 13:06 ↑ New
        Thing. Well done Americans. Great rifle. Interchangeable trunks. Made neatly and thoughtfully. And trouble-free as AKM. And 70% compatible with M16 and Her clones

        You yuzali that so excitedly rejoice ??
        From this assessment for the full effect of joy it remains only to describe.
        1. yehat
          yehat 15 August 2017 12: 19
          0
          I watched the tests. it is inferior to Kalash’s endurance, but nevertheless, to take her to the edge, you need to shoot continuously for 15-20 minutes. He is less afraid of pollution, like bumps, than the old m4. In general - a reliable weapon.
        2. taiti3000
          taiti3000 23 November 2018 06: 22
          0
          You are writing from AKM
      3. tracer
        tracer 14 August 2017 19: 59
        +1
        Why are you happy? The shutter principle has been canceled? Canceled from the AR? What are you happy about? Has the captor disappeared?
      4. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 16 August 2017 01: 11
        0
        what do the Americans have to do with it, if the development is German?)
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      1. Vovanya
        Vovanya 14 August 2017 13: 41
        +10
        Shutter designs (and this is the most important thing in automatic weapons) came up with a million species. But only a few took root. The Germans, and indeed the Americans, did not come up with anything special in this area - all the wars they waged showed this, which is why they change machines like gloves at a construction site and steal ideas from around the world.
        And what you consider “embarrassing” - for you Americans - is still unattainable, and therefore you are opening pirate AK factories on your territory. Transforming AK into a weapon of the future is much easier than a beautiful machine gun from the Germans, because the platform is promising and indestructible, and inserting electronics is no longer a problem.
        1. The Lancet
          The Lancet 14 August 2017 14: 08
          +2
          AK pirate factories

          Is it pirated illegal? This is not true. The Russian Weapon Company (RWC) used to be an official importer of assault rifles in the United States, but after imposing sanctions, it simply stopped working with Kalashnikov and then introduced new AK-made models of its own production adapted to the local market. and that’s it.
          And the shelves in the arms stores are already packed to the brim with Bulgarian and Romanian clones, for which for some reason no one has filed lawsuits.
          About ordinary US soldiers with AK in their hands during the fighting can only be heard from Russian fairy tales (or from staged photos)
          I’m not even saying that it’s for the civilian market, it’s understandable. Or piece by piece for elite soldiers because of the prevalence of cartridges of this caliber in combat areas.
          Maybe the party will be sent to the Syrian rebels, everything is possible in their production. For the Syrians, this weapon will be like a native weapon. It will be easier to find and maintain it and spare parts
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 14 August 2017 15: 16
            +3
            On December 23, 2015, the American company Kalashnikov USA LLC filed an application for registration in the USA of the Kalashnikov trademark for classes related to weapons, ammunition, ammunition, repair and maintenance of weapons. On January 14, 2015, the same company filed an application for registration of a visual trademark in the form of the letter “K” in the USA, the basis of which is a curved vending machine shop.
            Such an image is the fruit of more than six months of work by the Apostol Center for Strategic Communications, which won the 40 millionth tender for brand development and other services for the Kalashnikov concern.
            Kalashnikov USA LLC is registered in the USA, in the “offshore” state of Delaware on 5 of January (the application for registration was filed on December 23 of 2014 of the year). In the Kalashnikov concern, Izvestia was told that they had nothing to do with the American company and were not connected with it at all: this new company was registered by RWC Group, the exclusive distributor of products of the Russian concern in the United States. Representatives of Kalashnikov USA and RWC did not respond to Izvestia’s requests. On January 20, RWC CEO Thomas McCrosin announced that he owns the American brand Kalashnikov and plans to launch the production of weapons under this brand in the second quarter of this year.
            As the Kalashnikov concern told Izvestia, the Russian company itself did not register the trademark in the United States - "due to anti-Russian sanctions, the process of registering a mark in the United States has been suspended."
            “If the Americans have patented the brand for themselves, they will be able to produce weapons under it, and the question of the similarity of the samples is not simple and difficult to prove,” said military expert Igor Korotchenko. - In this case, the concern needs to provide full protection to the Russian brand.
            According to sources close to the concern, in the 1970s
            technical documentation was received by the USA. As explained in the concern, to date, after the statute of limitations, they have lost legal force. However, according to experts, the United States can now use the technical documentation obtained in those years and independently upgrade weapons for its needs.
            RWC CEO Thomas McCrosin made a statement about setting up production in America at the world's largest arms exhibition Shot Show in Las Vegas. The impressive RWC Group booth with Kalashnikov’s weapons obtained prior to the imposition of sanctions was designed using the brand updated by the Apostle. According to the concern, the American company managed to use the new corporate identity when creating the stand in order to maintain identity with the weapons of the Russian manufacturer.
            The American company decided to create its own production because of the sanctions imposed in the United States last year and prohibiting the import of Russian weapons into this country. At the same time, the Russian concern in January 2014 signed a contract with RWC for the supply of small arms to the United States and Canada for a period of 5 years. The volume of exported weapons under this contract was to be from 80 thousand to 200 thousand items per year. At the same time, it was announced that 90% of the civilian weapons exported by the concern were delivered to the USA.
            Article
            US stole Kalashnikov brand from Russia
            January 27 2015
            AgitPRO
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 14 August 2017 15: 18
            +1
            Syrian, as you call them "Rebel" are transferred to the Bulgarian trunks!
            Possibly paid by AMERICAN TAXPAYERS!
          3. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 14 August 2017 17: 34
            +6
            The Lancet
            About ordinary US soldiers with AK in their hands during the fighting can only be heard from Russian fairy tales (or from staged photos)
            When in the early 90s the American marines were transferred to Iraq, the cameraman and TV presenter, in my opinion of the Vremya program (Russian Federation, if anything), filmed the training of these same marines. In particular, they carried out firing at targets on the deck of an aircraft carrier. So one of them stuck M-16. It happens to everyone. Jammed and jammed. But here it stuck tightly, so that the soldier could not distort the bolt. And this is in sterile conditions, where there is not even a hint of any possibility of clogging weapons.
            When the operator asked what happened, he complained that it jammed and there is nothing he can do on the deck and will have to be repaired in the workshop. "But when I set foot on Iraqi land, I will definitely get a Russian AK." It was live and censorship did not manage to adjust the report (image after all). So there is no need for staged shots - realities correct the attitude to reality.
          4. PROXOR
            PROXOR 14 August 2017 17: 43
            +4
            Star do not roll bags. In my opinion, you are confused by the site. But that would not be unfounded catch in both hands.
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            2. Walanin
              Walanin 15 August 2017 00: 59
              +1
              In the photo, dzhigits with PMC Black water logos, not military. So look for other photos.
              1. PROXOR
                PROXOR 15 August 2017 09: 47
                +1
                And Abrams was rented in the nearest village. Enough. Do not consider yourself smarter than others.
                1. Walanin
                  Walanin 15 August 2017 11: 27
                  +1
                  And black jihad motorcycles with wheelchairs and machine guns must also be supposed to be given to ordinary soldiers according to this logic, right?
                  Quote: PROXOR
                  Do not consider yourself smarter than others.

                  even as I will consider, since others are not able to think in an elementary way
                  1. PROXOR
                    PROXOR 15 August 2017 13: 00
                    +1
                    You are not real with a paravoz !!! Which is easier to buy in the Middle East. Ural motorcycle or Abrams tank.
                    1. Walanin
                      Walanin 15 August 2017 14: 27
                      +1
                      You can buy anything, especially to PMC employees. Which and are depicted in the photo. That's just the military has nothing to do with it.
                      1. PROXOR
                        PROXOR 16 August 2017 10: 46
                        0
                        We drove shorter. With the die-hard I do not even want to continue the controversy. To cowards dominate.
            3. yehat
              yehat 15 August 2017 12: 22
              +1
              only there is one “but” - this is the American Kalash with its body kit, high-quality chrome trunks, etc. This is far from the Kalash that is usually in our soldier’s hands, usually only in special groups.
          5. siemens7774
            siemens7774 15 August 2017 14: 41
            0
            Don’t carry it anymore. 2012, Iraq Umm-Qasra. They are also storming the houses with the PPSh. The order for the battalion was obligatory to have a company with Russian weapons. And preferably 40-60 people from the former USSR as a member. This is a present for Lanset. And there are many.
        2. 32363
          32363 14 August 2017 15: 06
          +4
          Quote: Vovanya
          steal ideas from around the world

          a strong statement, and they then stole ideas from rocket technology? But back in October 3, 1942, the Germans launched a rocket into space to a height of more than 100 km.
          1. Vovanya
            Vovanya 14 August 2017 16: 06
            +3
            Rocket ideas are legal trophy Red Army.
            And you will never wash off for your acts during the war - you have shown your terrible face of a "cultural and enlightened" European nation.
            By the way, we also carried out work in this area, and ideas on rocket technology were expressed somewhat earlier.
            1. 32363
              32363 15 August 2017 00: 25
              +3
              Quote: Vovanya
              Rocket ideas are legal trophy Red Army.
              And you will never wash off for your acts during the war - you have shown your terrible face of a "cultural and enlightened" European nation.
              By the way, we also carried out work in this area, and ideas on rocket technology were expressed somewhat earlier.

              don't take the conversation aside, you stated that the Germans were stealing / stealing ideas, I asked you: - from whom did they steal rocket technologies? mind you, I didn’t ask about trophies and guilt of the Germans of WWII.
              1. Vovanya
                Vovanya 15 August 2017 11: 17
                +2
                Quote: 32363
                You stated that the Germans were stealing / stealing ideas, I asked you: - from whom did they steal rocket technologies?

                - It YOU in vain such a phrase was written. The guilt of the Germans is the most important thing, we will remember it for another thousand years, because Germany’s military (including missile) industry is free millions of captives and disenfranchised slaves worked, and this is the theft of labor and ideas, and of the lives that were used to develop your technology.
          2. malik
            malik 14 August 2017 16: 47
            0
            Well, at least not to Mars.
          3. PROXOR
            PROXOR 14 August 2017 17: 45
            +5
            Come on!!!! But was Tsialkovsky engaged in crackers? And in 1941 on the Leningrad Front did the Wehrmacht die of crackers too?
          4. aws4
            aws4 14 August 2017 22: 56
            0
            how are you tired of your Germans ... I ask 10 races to ask you for an interview with Kalashnikov ??? do you understand how you look ?????
            1. 32363
              32363 15 August 2017 00: 29
              +1
              Quote: aws4
              how are you tired of your Germans ... I ask 10 races to ask you for an interview with Kalashnikov ??? do you understand how you look ?????

              once it was time to review all programs in search of a couple of minutes at which Kalashnikov himself said that the Germans helped him in creating the AK ... he believes people need it.
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              2. aws4
                aws4 15 August 2017 09: 46
                +1
                it means that I’ve been digging for two days looking for this interior view and didn’t find anything ... you are a man and if you said please be kind enough to confirm your words here at all .... the link to the interview in the studio .... my previous letter was tougher but administrators deleted it it is not clear why ....
              3. aws4
                aws4 16 August 2017 11: 34
                0
                I'm waiting for a woman answer the question
          5. Awaz
            Awaz 15 August 2017 06: 37
            +2
            It is worth recalling that all the successes of the American (in quotation marks of course) cosmonauts are connected with the period when the captured fascist engineers were alive. As soon as they left, something serious the Americans did not succeed. It turned out that even German technology has been lost. And the USSR possessed rocket technologies even before it received German first-hand laptops. The successes of the USSR are connected precisely with the fact that they were able to unite Soviet and German knowledge. The Germans in the USA bent their line and, as a result, came to a standstill.
            All attempts to change concepts have not led to anything new. Even Musk has returned to the old scheme.
            The Russians would have more money and the approach is a little different, who knows what results they would have reached.
        3. jonhr
          jonhr 14 August 2017 18: 56
          +1
          that is, the turn of the shutter to lock for the first time is not used on this rifle MKb.42 (W)?
          1. Cycle boss
            Cycle boss 15 August 2017 12: 17
            +1
            So it seems that the M1 Grand also used a rotary shutter, and it used to be MKb.42 (W).
            1. jonhr
              jonhr 15 August 2017 22: 42
              0
              I'm talking about what we know as a modern assault rifle or assault rifle
              By the way, you just admitted that AK was not the first machine with rotary locking laughing I'm afraid patriots will bite you on this site tongue
          2. 32363
            32363 15 August 2017 19: 43
            +2
            Quote: jonhr
            that is, the turn of the shutter to lock for the first time is not used on this rifle MKb.42 (W)?

            turning lock
            Mannlicher M1895
            Lewis Machine Gun 1915
            FG42
            1. jonhr
              jonhr 15 August 2017 22: 42
              0
              Well, there were not intermediate cartridges laughing
              1. 32363
                32363 16 August 2017 02: 33
                +2
                Quote: jonhr
                Well, there were not intermediate cartridges laughing

                well then there weren’t any more of them, in 50 years only to appear. Rogozin just resting with his words that "Mikhail Kalashnikov first applied this scheme in small arms."
      2. K-50
        K-50 14 August 2017 14: 23
        +6
        Quote: The Lancet
        A plant that has squeezed out THIS over 30 years should be ashamed ...

        What a bile you are! belay laughing
        There is a saying, "Masha Kaslom will not spoil!" yes laughing
        In the masterpiece of Mikhail Kalashnikov, it is quite difficult to change something, except for the body kit.
        Therefore, it is in demand for slaughter, reliability and durability. yes
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR 14 August 2017 17: 46
          +2
          Well, why go far. And let's remember the machine gun M2. Since what year has this thing been in the arsenal of the army of MATRASNIKOV?
      3. avt
        avt 14 August 2017 14: 28
        +7
        Quote: The Lancet
        A plant that has squeezed out THIS over 30 years should be ashamed ...

        bully And this is spoken by the representative of the general people under the flag, on an article about the adoption of IMI by arsenal, by iPhone builders of the “GERMAN invention!?” Yes, even by competition, one of the conditions of which was the opportunity to work with stores from AK! bully The shooter is computer ... at best at the shooting range. Run to the field, then try to shame someone. Another thing about ,, Sriker "- ,, Piranha" Swiss swirl should be compared with BTR-80/82. bully
        1. The Lancet
          The Lancet 14 August 2017 14: 38
          +6
          bully And this is spoken by the representative of the general people under the flag, on the article on the adoption of IMI into service by iPhone builders "

          I did not understand this bunch of words what they refer to ... I hope they do not carry a negative meaning
          GERMAN invention!?

          And why not? Germany, an ally, can offer an excellent model of weapons, which won the competition, everyone is happy.
          Soldiers want the best - soldiers get the best. Rifle reviews are positive
          The shooter is computer ... at best at the shooting range. Run to the field, then try to shame someone. Another thing about ,, Sriker "- ,, Piranha" Swiss swirl should be compared with BTR-80/82. bully

          I didn’t say all this
          I don’t understand where so much anger is from you. I just noticed that it’s time to stop praying on AK and move on
          1. avt
            avt 14 August 2017 14: 48
            +2
            Quote: The Lancet
            I did not understand this bunch of words ... I hope they do not carry a negative meaning

            bully Klara Novikova, an conversational genre artist, said, “I came to Russia an emigrant and sort of forgotten language and through time-, I don’t know how it will be in Russian” And in response I received from it, ,, In Russian it will be - not you ... Xia. "
            Quote: The Lancet
            Soldiers want the best - soldiers get the best

            bully M 16, after M-14 bully
            Quote: The Lancet
            About ordinary US soldiers with AK in their hands during the fighting can only be heard from Russian fairy tales (or from staged photos)

            Well, here I agree - for the lost property put on the headstock specifically, up to the loss of insurance. So
            Quote: The Lancet
            To prolong the purchase and call THIS this is the weapon of the future is really stupid and very childish

            I’m better with Kalash on the principle - ,, It’s good to laugh who shoots the first “in this” childhood, I’m awake alive, than from the unit untested in the matter, to rush into ecstasy, but you catch an orgasm there - your perverted business. bullyYES! PS about
            And why not? Germany, an ally, can offer an excellent model of weapons, which won the competition, everyone is happy.
            He is ka-anesna, but somehow having a real foundation such as Moses Browning .... bully Much is said about the real state of the weapons school. Like the Angles themselves on the island after World War II.
            1. The Lancet
              The Lancet 14 August 2017 14: 56
              +2
              bully Klara Novikova, an conversational genre artist, said, “An emigrant came to Russia and sort of forgotten language and through time- ,, I don’t know how it will be in Russian” And in response I received from it, ,, In Russian it will be - not you ... Xia. "

              it's good
              bully M 16, after the M-14 bully

              The problem is only in the climate of Vietnam and bad gunpowder for a short time, then corrected
              Well, here I agree - for the lost property put on the headstock specifically, up to the loss of insurance. So

              Where did you get the information about insurance deprivation? In the USA there are 115 insurance companies and organizations for soldiers. And how much in Russia?
              I’m better with Kalash according to the principle - ,, Good laughs who shoots first "

              It depends on the optics. We are doing better with this.
              1. avt
                avt 14 August 2017 16: 22
                +3
                Quote: The Lancet
                The problem is only in the climate of Vietnam and bad gunpowder for a short time, then corrected

                bully good He won in Vietnam .... General Frost! With Kalash! bully He did not know that it was necessary to hang new fragments on him.
                Quote: The Lancet
                Where did you get the information about insurance deprivation? In the USA there are 115 insurance companies and organizations for soldiers. And how much in Russia?

                bully The jump is not protected! You don’t have to pretend to be a durik about
                Quote: The Lancet
                . And how much in Russia?

                no speech at all, once again for ,, dumb "according to Zadornov
                Quote: avt
                for the lost property on the headstock put specifically, up to the loss of insurance.

                And in all
                Quote: The Lancet
                there are 115 insurance companies in the USA

                Quote: The Lancet
                It depends on the optics. We are doing better with this.

                bully bully You won’t even be able to visit the phallus, you won’t even get a camera, you’ll always be a member of the Academy of Sciences, and you’ll always get from a yakut from a three-line line. cool flashlight. And without a laser pointer and other gadgets.
                1. The Lancet
                  The Lancet 14 August 2017 16: 41
                  0
                  He won in Vietnam .... General Frost! With Kalash! bully He didn’t know that it was necessary to hang new fragments on him.

                  The problems with the first batch of M16 were resolved promptly. Since that time, it has become a normal weapon.
                  bully The bounce is not protected! You don’t have to pretend to be a durik about

                  This is not a dismount, I honestly say that I did not deal with this. You answer my question where did you find information on insurance?
                  for the lost property on the headstock put specifically, up to the loss of insurance.



                  Yes, at least to visit the phalos, at least a camera, you’ll never become one of the correspondent members of the Academy of Sciences, but you’ll always get in the eye from a yakut from the three-ruler.

                  Those with better optics and more experienced eyes will be the first to detect the enemy and fire a shot. The Yakuts will be upset when they find out.
                  Do not even hesitate, that's when you will look for batteries to the collimator, or change, especially at night, illuminating yourself with a cool flashlight

                  I will change, yes. Once a year laughing Somehow I can handle it without a flashlight
                  1. avt
                    avt 14 August 2017 16: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: The Lancet
                    Who has better optics and more experienced eyes

                    bully Both on! Already the same eye appeared. bully
                    Quote: The Lancet
                    .Yakuts are not interesting.

                    Him too, he will shoot and forget.
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                      1. Stas 2rep
                        Stas 2rep 14 August 2017 17: 35
                        +4
                        I participated in Afghanistan as a part of fr. legion. Both we and we were hung with all kinds of optics. However, the initiative was with the spirits. From RPG-7 at a distance of 800-1000 meters without any optics, they often managed to throw on the technique
                  2. PROXOR
                    PROXOR 14 August 2017 17: 55
                    +1
                    So why are you just barking from behind a puddle and spilling sanctions? Anus bench press?
              2. PROXOR
                PROXOR 14 August 2017 17: 53
                +3
                Quote: The Lancet
                It depends on the optics. We are doing better with this.

                WHAT optics !!! Sofa warrior. While you will be aiming at you, a half-fly will fly offhand.
              3. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 19: 11
                +4
                Quote: The Lancet
                The problem is only in the climate of Vietnam and bad gunpowder for a short time, then corrected

                Special for you rummaged on the shelves. A. Borovik. "Like I was a soldier in the US Army." Interview with Colonel Hoffman.
                - Oh yes. The last operation, so her, one way. I was in the special forces - "green beret." We went to combat not with the M-16, but with the AK-47. In the jungle, your machine is better, or rather: it’s not so ricochet, the bullet is heavier, and its speed is slower. Kalashnikov well done ....
                1. The Lancet
                  The Lancet 14 August 2017 20: 54
                  0
                  Can you write me a link to the electronic version? For fun, I want to read
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 21: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: The Lancet
                    Can you write me a link to the electronic version? For fun, I want to read

                    Yes, highlight the author and the title in blue, right-click, and search. The journalist Borovik was sent to the US Army in perestroika, in the 88th year, in Fort Benning. US journalists from Life served in the USSR army. I have a paper version, but I can’t give a link. Interview with Hoffman in the penultimate chapter, Portrait of the Ranger.
          2. Titsen
            Titsen 14 August 2017 15: 01
            +3
            Quote: The Lancet
            I did not understand this bunch of words what they refer to ... I hope they do not carry a negative meaning


            I do not hope, I am SURE - they have a negative meaning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          3. Titsen
            Titsen 14 August 2017 15: 05
            +1
            Quote: The Lancet
            I don’t understand where you got so much anger from.


            Listen to your radio, read your newspapers, watch your TV or the same set of your allies - “YOU WILL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND SEE EVERYTHING YOURSELF”!

            PS For the mattresses and their allies, I explain - in quotation marks in capital letters - a phrase from a Russian film, or rather from a song ...
          4. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 14 August 2017 17: 44
            +2
            The Lancet
            I just noticed that it’s time to stop praying on AK and move on

            I see that you, too, were tired of praying for Jesus and began to move on. So they went all the way — homosexual, now lesbian, then pedophile. And this is legally ... Will die out soon as a subspecies of man. And it will be right - nobody has canceled the natural selection ...
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          5. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 18: 52
            +5
            Quote: The Lancet
            And why not? Germany, an ally, can offer an excellent model of weapons, which won the competition, everyone is happy.

            Where is Mr. Carbine? There is a wonderful miracle here: the American praises the German rifleman. crying
      4. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 14 August 2017 14: 41
        +7
        The Lancet
        A plant that has squeezed out THIS over 30 years should be ashamed ...
        The plant should be ashamed if its products jam at a crucial moment and cause the death of soldiers. Is there such facts on this device? (only for AK Soviet-Russian production)
        1. The Lancet
          The Lancet 14 August 2017 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: Black Colonel
          The Lancet
          A plant that has squeezed out THIS over 30 years should be ashamed ...
          The plant should be ashamed if its products jam at a crucial moment and cause the death of soldiers. Is there such facts on this device? (only for AK Soviet-Russian production)

          Well, AK is a submachine gun that is known for its reliability. No, I don’t know such facts.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 14 August 2017 17: 46
            +1
            So why be ashamed?
            1. The Lancet
              The Lancet 14 August 2017 18: 17
              +2
              In addition to reliability and simplicity, there is nothing to brag about. And in 2017 this is not enough. About this conversation
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 15 August 2017 02: 28
                +1
                Quote: The Lancet
                And in 2017 this is not enough

                in 2017, it’s embarrassing to test a weapon by throwing it in the sand! For the "test" is when fine-grained sand + wind and most important + simultaneous operation of the mechanism. And what do we see in the video? first shut down all caps and then sprinkle then shoot and everything ... One pleases, though in this video shooter is able to stand and shoot as any nigga out of Hollywood
        2. Walanin
          Walanin 15 August 2017 01: 09
          +1
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Is there such facts on this device?

      5. igorserg
        igorserg 14 August 2017 14: 50
        +2
        Porridge checked by frost, water, heat, dirt, dust ... other "natural incidents." For that he was always appreciated - for the reliability in any conditions, but these are not toys. Where are such indicators at M27?
        1. The Lancet
          The Lancet 14 August 2017 15: 06
          +1
          Take your time, this weapon did not have time to prove itself yet. In addition, there were tests in special conditions
          1. igorserg
            igorserg 14 August 2017 15: 29
            +2
            How was it when it was already adopted? One of the advertising signs of Kalash, that in Russia, when Western lovers of weapons, when they bathe him in water, dirt, covered with brick dust, we freeze it to -50 degrees Celsius, throw it on concrete from two-three meters high .... and all that jazz, and then they continue to shoot, as if it were clean and oiled. I think that if M27 could repeat all this, that would be his best advertisement.
            1. Walanin
              Walanin 15 August 2017 11: 30
              +1
              Quote: igorserg
              and then they continue to shoot, as if it were clean and oiled

              and Kalash punches the rail !!!
              1. tracer
                tracer 15 August 2017 16: 59
                0
                Along ... A bayonet with a knife shred like a sausage.
          2. tracer
            tracer 15 August 2017 05: 12
            +5
            What are these special conditions? High School? Institutes? Yes, the test conditions ... special ..... This is so, by the way. And to the point ... You see, dear friend, the 223 Remington cartridge in its 5,56 NATO military incarnation was created on the basis of the quite good Benchrest 222 Remington, "finished for warriors." Only here is the news. This cartridge was not designed specifically for automatic weapons, IT'S A BOLT RIFLE CARTRIDGE. !!! Questions? The design of the cartridge itself is flawed and incorrect as well as the construction of the AR rifle according to the "precepts" of uncle Hugo Schmeiser. From there, my friend’s lid is .... from there, and not only her. What else do you have there? And yes, you change the batteries once a year ..... Where? In the tactical Teddy Bear's soft toy? ))) You’ll hold a rifle in the frost then on the street at least a day, and see how it lasts for you “year” ... And AKOG? "Tipo do not need nifiga batteries")))). AKOG is not a bad thing, about 4 years I was busy with it, first on SIG 556, then on Swiss Arms, on the LMT .308 I put it experimentally ... And here’s what I have to tell you. IT DOES NOT GIVE ANY BENEFITS. Without making shots, either more precisely or “faster.” Possessing normal vision and the skills of the shooter, it equally accurately and quickly hits targets at an effective distance with and without collimating sights. Even having shooting experience in US shooting ranges, I advise you not to forget the code that these are “ideal conditions” for weapons and that their work there is only partly indicative. The real test is dirt, water, sand and frost, rust from uncleaned gunpowder, and much more that weapons in shooting galleries never encounter. As they said "Kozma Prutkov" "Look at the root" ....
      6. AlexKP
        AlexKP 14 August 2017 17: 32
        +1
        THIS works no worse than NK416, or even better, for what should be ashamed? But Colt and any springfields should be ashamed unambiguously.
      7. Scoun
        Scoun 14 August 2017 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: The Lancet
        Are the Yankees specially made Futuristic? For adult children? Probably...

        To prolong the purchase and call THIS this is the weapon of the future is really stupid and very childish

        A plant that has squeezed out THIS over 30 years should be ashamed ...

        The mountain gave birth to a mouse.
        What is the difference?
        You launched the AK-47 production at your mattress, which is more than the famed 30 years old, since time allows, you bought a batch of weapons from the Germans and caught a wave of ragul?
    6. Tusv
      Tusv 14 August 2017 13: 23
      +2
      Quote: Logall
      Are the Yankees specially made Futuristic? For adult children? Probably.

      In fact, the progressive bulap is massively used only in China
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 August 2017 13: 47
        +4
        And in Israel. Tavor.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 14 August 2017 13: 50
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And in Israel. Tavor.

          The main weapon of the Tsahal?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 August 2017 14: 58
            0
            Of course. Tabor armed 4 out of 5 brigades.
            Actually, it’s easier to list who did NOT switch to Tavor:
            airborne brigade, airborne battalion of the Nahal brigade.
            1. The Lancet
              The Lancet 14 August 2017 15: 11
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Of course. Tabor armed 4 out of 5 brigades.
              Actually, it’s easier to list who did NOT switch to Tavor:
              airborne brigade, airborne battalion of the Nahal brigade.

              Alexey, was this weapon (brand) tested before purchase among other models before buying? How was it better? How would the brand look compared to the HK416?
              Is there integrated optics there?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 August 2017 15: 29
                +3
                "What would a brand look like compared to the HK416" ///

                In my opinion, Tavor is a step forward compared to the HK416.
                First: it is much more compact with the same barrel length
                and cartridge.
                Secondly: Tavor has a barrel and a pitatinny rail - one factory
                integral part. What provides the maximum possible parallelism
                barrel and sights. Hence the high accuracy.
                Default on Tabor is a collimator. Includes 4x Wide Angle Sight
                and night sight.
                Tavor's disadvantage: manufacturing complexity.
                1. aws4
                  aws4 14 August 2017 22: 59
                  +1
                  and worse reliability .. and so everything is correct
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 14 August 2017 15: 21
              0
              And why does TAVOR not suit them? hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 August 2017 15: 34
                +1
                I don’t know. I once asked the paratrooper on the train why
                they stayed with the M-4. He answered indifferently: “so the commanders decided” And that’s it.
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 14 August 2017 15: 48
                  0
                  SO THE COMMANDERS DECIDED - well done! And for the commanders of other units must have decided superior officers, but these did not succumb good
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 14 August 2017 15: 55
                    +1
                    As far as I know, each team decided independently.
                    At first, Tabor was run in for 5 years in battles and skirmishes in southern Lebanon.
                    in the givati ​​brigade. Many times they sent for revision to the factory.
                    Then Tavor was taken by the Golani brigade. It seems they liked it.
                    I didn’t shoot myself - I was late. My son liked it, but with his high
                    Tavor was short and tall.
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 14 August 2017 16: 08
                      0
                      laughing So your TAVOR and just one size - SORROW good
                      The French refuse their "Cleron"! The British "muddy the water" with their L85A2!
                      So you did something ...
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                      2. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 14 August 2017 16: 39
                        +1
                        "So you did something ..." ///

                        Always happy to try! fellow drinks
                    2. marshes
                      marshes 14 August 2017 16: 12
                      0
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      As far as I know, each team decided independently.
                      At first, Tabor was run in for 5 years in battles and skirmishes in southern Lebanon.
                      in the givati ​​brigade. Many times they sent for revision to the factory.
                      Then Tavor was taken by the Golani brigade. It seems they liked it.
                      I didn’t shoot myself - I was late. My son liked it, but with his high
                      Tavor was short and tall.

                      And back to the classic with a short stroke, the desire to go no?
                      What the bulpups don’t like, a short aiming line, if the store “under the arm” is not convenient in the steppe when shooting lying down. Chinese yuzal. But in the village, of course.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 14 August 2017 16: 46
                        +2
                        "if the store" under the arm "is not convenient in the steppe when shooting while lying down." ///

                        In my humble practice, the main fire in the shootings is from the knee. Crouching.
                        When you lie, you yourself see nothing: we have dry grass and large stones (you can get crushed stone from your own rebound into the eyes). When you stand, he is the target. From the knee, the store does not interfere.
                        It seems that Tavor "took root" in the army. Change is not going to.
                2. tracer
                  tracer 15 August 2017 17: 03
                  0
                  So decided the company arming the IDF. On the rifles of the AR system, they have earned and earn a lot of money. And the nails are effective to them up to the lantern ... It is not for them to run with them in the sand.
            3. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 14 August 2017 17: 49
              0
              You, dear Voyaka UH, did not have the opportunity to use the Tavor? The impression is simply interesting, at least in comparison with Galil (the same AK)
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 August 2017 18: 15
                0
                No, I didn’t. I was a reservist when conscripts started
                run in tavor.
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 14 August 2017 19: 27
        +8
        Quote: Tusv
        In fact, the progressive bulap is massively used only in China

        Oh oh ?!
        L 85, FAMAS, Tavor and old man Steyr AUG request
    7. Samaritan
      Samaritan 15 August 2017 14: 38
      0
      Quote: Logall
      Are the Yankees specially made Futuristic? For adult children? Probably...

      Yes you? But our new ones, you think they just copied from the Germans ??? or have come to experience by necessity:
  2. avt
    avt 14 August 2017 12: 51
    0
    So it seems they held a competition for specialists, as a result of this this unit appeared. Long pulled something.
  3. 32363
    32363 14 August 2017 12: 53
    +7
    would have shown more disassembly is incomplete, the Germans like to complicate simple mechanisms, still Kalashik like
    1. The Lancet
      The Lancet 14 August 2017 13: 41
      +3
      Elementary ...
      even a person with 5 grades of education can handle
      And you say love complicate ...


      1. 32363
        32363 14 August 2017 13: 46
        +6
        Quote: The Lancet
        Elementary ...
        even a person with 5 grades of education can handle
        And you say love complicate ...


        these all the keys and hairpins are enraging, and he meant them, you will lose this and that’s all. Tryndets.
        1. andranick
          andranick 14 August 2017 16: 16
          +2
          Damn, I imagined how to get that pezalka out of the first video (at the very beginning), so I thought - WRONG AUTOMATIC MACHINE! Dirt, cold, frozen fingers, the machine is covered with a crust of ice - and a brave marine, heroically trying to disassemble the machine. Offset! And as I saw that small hexagon from the second video, your thought: did you launch a campaign on the Internet to raise funds for the purchase of such wonderful weapons for the army of a potential friend ?! To be sure - not for our conditions. No, well, what a delight!
          Oh, yes, I forgot: the collimator scope decides everything.
      2. 32363
        32363 14 August 2017 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: The Lancet
        And you say love complicate ...

        PS..pro complicate, look, for example, how the Germans solved the problem of transporting tanks under water and how in the USSR, you will immediately understand what I mean.
      3. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 14 August 2017 17: 54
        +1
        This is what interested me - at the 28th second of the first video, a soldier lubricates the bolt (dripping from a nipple into a hole). Is this a necessity? It turns out that without lubrication the machine will not work. And if so, then it is necessary to seal the bolt frame very well, because if anything, then a dust cluster on plentiful grease is provided. And this is a delay in shooting and an increased risk of being helpless during the battle.
    2. marshes
      marshes 14 August 2017 13: 48
      0
      Quote: 32363
      Germans like to complicate simple mechanisms, all the same Kalashik is more like

      I agree, it can be clearly seen in cars but in budget cars in particular, the Skoda-VAG, they wiped the nose of the Koreans and Japanese, as a simplicity.
      1. The Lancet
        The Lancet 14 August 2017 13: 53
        +1
        So budget = ease of implementation almost always, or did you want to say something else?
        Less price -> less options
        1. 32363
          32363 14 August 2017 14: 02
          +9
          Quote: The Lancet
          So budget = ease of implementation almost always, or did you want to say something else?
          Less price -> less options

          the Germans think it’s hard, in my opinion, from my practice, sometimes engineers think such a thing that you clutch your head, show them your vision of how to perform some device, it’s much easier than them, they immediately ask if I worked as an engineer in the Union?)) )
        2. marshes
          marshes 14 August 2017 14: 07
          0
          Quote: The Lancet
          Less price -> less options

          No.
          The options are almost the same, SKODA, but I like the simplicity of the solution. Take the engines, the transmission, the brake system. I like the fuel and ignition systems more, and they were wise with a gas pump, they could do a simple submersible car like on yap and Koreans but in another simplified to disgrace. And the main thing works.
          The main thing is to look at the temperature-controlled mechanical valve on the air duct, you can "throw it out" in the summer, but in the winter there must be otherwise the throttle valve will freeze.
          1. 32363
            32363 14 August 2017 14: 15
            +1
            Quote: marshes

            The options are almost the same, SKODA, only I like the simplicity of the solution. Take the engines, transmission, brake system.

            I will never buy a VW, although I’m working in this concern myself, I’m very pleased with the Merc as mechanisms, everything is thought out to the smallest detail.
            1. marshes
              marshes 14 August 2017 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: 32363
              I will never buy a VW, although I’m working in this concern myself, I’m very pleased with the Merc as mechanisms, everything is thought out to the smallest detail.

              I don’t digest Meren, except for the hexes. I don’t like the rear drive as the main one, and this is the same for the Boomers.
              I love the Audi Queen of the freeways, and Golfs. And so Toyota.
              Skoda is an accident, but I won’t sell it, firstly they don’t give what I wanted for it, but spent it on purchase and distillation, from you, but the car’s mileage was almost ridiculous for 12 years, a little more than 150 thousand, although I know that you learned to twist the kilometer I like iron and the engine. Yes, and I have a housekeeping, I love it from the hodovka, although the road is under repair. Yes, the engine pulls on the bottoms.
              There are several cars in the family.
              1. 32363
                32363 14 August 2017 14: 43
                +2
                Quote: marshes
                Rear-wheel drive as the main one does not like, and this is the same Boomers can say.

                in the rear-wheel drive, it’s still a plus, when the vehicle starts to “roll over”, increasing traction with the drive axle.

                Yes, the car’s mileage is almost ridiculous for 12 years, a little more than 150 thousand, although I know that you learned how to twist the mileage

                my mileage is even funnier, mazda3 ran over 17 thousand for 90 years, and it’s not the Germans who twist the mileage, but the Turks or one of ours, but mostly Turks and Arabs, but people with money will never buy a car from them.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 14 August 2017 14: 51
                  0
                  Quote: 32363
                  in the rear-wheel drive, it’s still a plus, when the vehicle starts to “roll over”, increasing traction with the drive axle.

                  Well, okay.
                  But I had a Mazda 323,90go three Three-door engine 1,3 (B-3), the body is 760 kg.
                  He did everything except the Honda Civic.
                  The rear springs sank, the cement carried something like a low Priora, but there were new springs from the front, be healthy, with slipping, immediately from the third gear. laughing
                  A rear-wheel drive is a problem in the winter and just to leave the asphalt immediately sits in the sand.
                  I hunted golf 1, rode along the dunes, surprised Nivovedov and Kruzakavedov.
            2. The Lancet
              The Lancet 14 August 2017 14: 28
              0
              Quote: 32363
              Quote: marshes

              The options are almost the same, SKODA, only I like the simplicity of the solution. Take the engines, transmission, brake system.

              I will never buy a VW, although I’m working in this concern myself, I’m very pleased with the Merc as mechanisms, everything is thought out to the smallest detail.

              What do you think about American car brands? Specifically about Chrysler, Chevrolet. Maybe you were / are the owner before?
              1. marshes
                marshes 14 August 2017 14: 42
                0
                Quote: The Lancet
                What do you think about American car brands? Specifically about Chrysler, Chevrolet. Maybe you were / are the owner before?

                Good brands but we have a little expensive to repair and maintain. There was Hammer 1, Cherokee, engines with large volumes but also to eat, DT, gasoline, they ask.
                Chevrolet Aveo like but everything rests on spare parts. We have the cheapest Toyota, parallel import exists. On Amerra, wait a long time, order, but not cheap. On German, it’s a little more expensive, but China, Germany.
                So the Kazakh car is Toyota Camry or Landcruiser Prado, 100,200.
              2. 32363
                32363 14 August 2017 15: 15
                +2
                Quote: The Lancet

                What do you think about American car brands? Specifically about Chrysler, Chevrolet. Maybe you were / are the owner before?

                I have a friend working in American harvesters right now in the Kustanai region, I like them, before that they were German, they also had great grit, the service staff had both hemorrhages (high prices for spare parts), although the Germans carried out all the repairs more quickly, unlike the amers.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 14 August 2017 15: 37
                  0
                  Quote: 32363
                  I have a friend working in American harvesters right now in the Kustanai region, I like them, before that they were German, they also had great grit, the service staff had both hemorrhages (high prices for spare parts), although the Germans carried out all the repairs more quickly, unlike the amers.

                  A soldier from Kokshetau spoke to me back in '96, figs I will transfer to Niva, Don after John Deere, and so after buying a new car he buys. Of course AvtoVAZ, he will not find spare parts for others in his region. Year by force he goes. Father of course every three years, Foltz Touareg, with a diesel engine, changes.
                  And so in the regions where the German diaspora still lives, they ride on the Germans. Be sure to have a couple of SHROTOV nearby, that is, trading in spare parts from Germany, and there is also its own “mail-transcontainer” every month a car comes from Germany and leaves. Also with a money transfer .
                  His wife has relatives in the North Rhine-Westphalia. laughing
                  1. 32363
                    32363 14 August 2017 15: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: marshes
                    Quote: 32363
                    I have a friend working in American harvesters right now in the Kustanai region, I like them, before that they were German, they also had great grit, the service staff had both hemorrhages (high prices for spare parts), although the Germans carried out all the repairs more quickly, unlike the amers.

                    A soldier from Kokshetau spoke to me back in '96, figs I will transfer to Niva, Don after John Deere, and so after buying a new car he buys. Of course AvtoVAZ, he will not find spare parts for others in his region. Year by force he goes. Father of course every three years, Foltz Touareg, with a diesel engine, changes.
                    And so in the regions where the German diaspora still lives, they ride on the Germans. Be sure to have a couple of SHROTOV nearby, that is, trading in spare parts from Germany, and there is also its own “mail-transcontainer” every month a car comes from Germany and leaves. Also with a money transfer .
                    His wife has relatives in the North Rhine-Westphalia. laughing

                    I already talked to you in a "past life" under the nickname alpamys))) banned, I had to reincarnate laughing
                    I can’t say anything bad in the field, a year ago in Siberia in the taiga they wound on it, a cool car, between the pines only flies like that, there is Golf1 all-wheel drive, probably it is just its equal.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 14 August 2017 15: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: 32363
                      I already talked to you in a "past life" under the nickname alpamys))) banned, I had to reincarnate

                      Ah understand! Then laughing and then again.
                    2. marshes
                      marshes 14 August 2017 16: 42
                      0
                      Quote: 32363
                      I can’t say anything bad in the field, a year ago in Siberia in the taiga they wound on it, a cool car, between the pines only flies like that, there is Golf1 all-wheel drive, probably it is just its equal.

                      Stop writing comments.
                      Golf and Opel cars were taken from the beginning of the 80s, they were killed. And partly rebuilt. They removed the roof in FIG, only the windshield wagons left. Of course the cars were removed from the register, the early ones went on Ural motorcycles with a cradle. It’s just hard to find parts on a motorcycle .Although later a Honda chopper was used, okay. It was on them that I went hunting, or rather, went.
                      Front-wheel drive is the "taxis", drags the car be healthy. I dubbed such, kill.
                      Four-wheel drive only on 2 Golf appeared. - The Founder of the Tuareg, Amorokov and so on ...
              3. tracer
                tracer 15 August 2017 16: 10
                0
                Yes, I own the Cadillac SRX for the second generation. Satisfied terribly. But this is for Irka’s wife. She is comfortable with all kinds of bags, "in the face does not blow" and so on. Reliable 4 × 4 car. I personally prefer the Japanese SUV. BUT the article is not about that at all.
  4. meandr51
    meandr51 14 August 2017 12: 57
    +1
    In this regard, relevant information on the situation with small arms and ammunition in the Russian Federation http://pravosudija.net/article/otkrytoe-pismo-os
    ostoyanii-strelkovogo-i-inogo-oruzhiya-v-nashey-s
    trane
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 14 August 2017 13: 11
      +1
      "Page not found". ???
  5. Altona
    Altona 14 August 2017 13: 08
    +4
    Quote: The Lancet
    Of course, under the article, the appearance of experts was expected ... Mosin rifle in hand and go! Then who
    not far gone. Did the collimators even put in your army? Or is it still too complicated equipment for Ivan the conscript?

    ---------------------------------------
    What do you have against a Mosin rifle? A good weapon, by the way, was even the base for a sniper rifle. It is important not only the weapon, but the soldier’s ability to deal with it and determination in actions. And an automatic weapon is approximately the same in its characteristics, if you project it on the average soldier and its effectiveness also determines the characteristics of the cartridge.
    1. 32363
      32363 14 August 2017 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      A good weapon, by the way, was even the base for a sniper rifle.

      What does good mean? excellent device, on the same level with the K98.
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS 14 August 2017 13: 09
    +6
    I'm interested in the results of tests on temperatures and firing after water ... well, and the cost of this unit.
    1. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee 14 August 2017 13: 34
      +1
      There, it seems, about US $ 3000 was indicated, with different weights the price will be different. In any case, the range is US $ 2500-3500. What is not so expensive for the "most expensive" army in the world.
    2. zivXP
      zivXP 14 August 2017 13: 34
      0
      in the basic version (without sight and other accessories) HK416 costs about $ 3000 "
    3. 32363
      32363 14 August 2017 13: 37
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      I'm interested in the results of tests on temperatures and firing after water ... well, and the cost of this unit.

      here is a little test
      the cant was detected at 3.30min when firing in the underwater position, the machine does not restart.
      1. andy.v.lee
        andy.v.lee 14 August 2017 13: 52
        0
        Hmm .. Fairly good unit.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 14 August 2017 15: 41
          +3
          Maybe a good unit. But to indulge in the children's pool .... Somehow not for an adult ...
  7. Altona
    Altona 14 August 2017 13: 30
    +4
    Quote: The Lancet
    To prolong the purchase and call THIS this is the weapon of the future is really stupid and very childish

    -----------------------------
    Making plastic body kits for old weapons in general, for example, the M-4 carbine (M-16, AR-15), is much easier than changing all the accessories to parts of the exhaust mechanism. The rifle presented in the article is also a compilation of the M-16 and G-36.
    1. IvanTheTerrible
      IvanTheTerrible 14 August 2017 14: 56
      +1
      Make plastic body kits for old weapons in general

      You won’t be able to roll back a lot from this, and the appetites are brutal not only among our generals wink
  8. Holoy
    Holoy 14 August 2017 13: 37
    +1
    In the USA they know how to choose weapons. And in our Lobby everything AK pushes through ....
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 14 August 2017 14: 22
      +3
      Everything is simple. To adopt a new model, this machine requires a set of characteristics that is 1.5 times superior to the old model. Today, experts say, in the world there is no sample assault rifle that would be 1.5 times superior to the AK-74m. And the AK itself was adopted precisely because of its superiority over magazine rifles and submachine guns of the 1940s. We are waiting for weapons based on other principles than automatic weapons from the mid-XNUMXth century.
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 14 August 2017 14: 38
        +3
        Don't ... la ... la
        Before Rogozin arrived, our media and generals in the Moscow Region (before Shoigu) all said that the AEK-971 passed the tests ... More precisely, the factories should immediately present three types - the machine itself, the sniper rifle, and the machine gun ... so, then Degtyarev factory from Kovrov won in all respects! Moreover, Kalashnikov was not even allocated state funding for further tests due to overt loss, and was given time to develop fundamentally new ideas, but at his own expense!
        And as only Rogozin came, so immediately there was silence about Degtyarev! Generals from the Moscow Region were also fired, and AK immediately surfaced, all the same old as Mammoth! Only a little ergonomics added ...
        1. marshes
          marshes 14 August 2017 15: 53
          0
          Quote: Holoy
          AEK-971

          By the way, in Kazakhstan they considered the purchase of this machine, but your experts and the media did the anti-advertising.
          1. avt
            avt 14 August 2017 16: 32
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            By the way, in Kazakhstan they considered the purchase of this machine, but your experts and the media did the anti-advertising.

            wassat bully And actually the party in the field didn’t have enough of your governors to try? bully We kind of landing for their specialists Kovrov ordered. But somehow .... annoying me is the presence of additional and rather fragile nodes in AEK. The machine is really for trained people. Kalash last in this regard is preferable to the infantry. But frankly, I just like Gryazev and Shipunov’s bun ... I just like everything. Well, A -91 / ADS. And the Baryshev Rifle under the Mosin cartridge, as well as its grenade launcher. The store would have to fix it somehow, under the tape and without.
            1. marshes
              marshes 14 August 2017 17: 12
              +1
              Quote: avt
              And actually the party in the field didn’t have enough of your governors to try?

              I don’t know if the Italians won’t be smart enough, they shoved 160 y. To Berret and bought a little more than 300 trunks. Although there is a desire for 20 thousand for the structures. But now there’s a lot of money that is being allocated for the purchase of aviation.
              Quote: avt
              We kind of landing for their specialists Kovrov ordered. But somehow .... annoying me is the presence of additional and rather fragile nodes in AEK. The machine is really for trained people.

              Also, they didn’t want to order for ordinary people.
              Quote: avt
              Kalash last in this regard is preferable to the infantry.

              I love him myself, but until the 90s of release. Next, the shitty chrome barrel went.

              Quote: avt
              But frankly, I just like Gryazev’s and Shipunov’s bun ... I just like everything. Well, A -91 / ADS

              In fact, a roll is not a convenient thing for lying down. And so the early Austrians and Chinese were yuzali.
          2. Holoy
            Holoy 14 August 2017 17: 06
            +2
            AEK-971 is an excellent automatic machine. It does not need any advertising or anti-advertising! Normal fighters and their Commanders understand this, and they don’t give a damn about the corrupt Generals, and the corrupt Generals are apparently afraid of such fighters, because they can easily offer such Generals to fight in remote combat with their AK ...

            Therefore, in Russia, AEK-971 first began to enter the Vityaz detachment of the then internal troops, and now the 45th separate guard brigade of the special forces of the Kutuzov and Alexander Nevsky special forces ...
            1. marshes
              marshes 14 August 2017 17: 25
              0
              Quote: Holoy
              AEK-971 is an excellent automatic machine. It does not need any advertising or anti-advertising! Normal fighters and their Commanders understand this, and they don’t give a damn about the corrupt Generals, and the corrupt Generals are apparently afraid of such fighters, because they can easily offer such Generals to fight in remote combat with their AK ...
              Therefore, in Russia, AEK-971 first began to enter the Vityaz detachment of the then internal troops, and now the 45th separate guard brigade of the special forces of the Kutuzov and Alexander Nevsky special forces ...

              So the purchase was planned not for combatant shooters, but for the forces of special forces.
              Another feature, if you start releasing weapons under 6.5X39, this will be a breakthrough.
              By the way, the cartridges with such a caliber were earlier in the union, for hunters. So there is experience, though it will be interesting which sleeve will be taken for the main one.
              1. Holoy
                Holoy 14 August 2017 17: 30
                +2
                I don’t know how now, Rogozin specifically beguiled the cards, but there is no final decision yet, apparently in Rogozin the President has already begun to doubt ...

                But before Rogozin, the AEK-971 was planned for all troops without exception, as well as Kovrovsky machine gun and their sniper rifle, the designation of which I no longer remember ...

                AEK-971 is not an elite machine at all, it is a simple workhorse. The times of illiterate fighters have passed ...
                1. marshes
                  marshes 14 August 2017 17: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Holoy
                  AEK-971 is not an elite machine at all, it is a simple workhorse. The times of illiterate fighters have passed ...

                  And we wanted to buy for competent fighters, although it is easier for the Kovrovites to organize production from us, the invested funds will be on deposit, wherever they want. Whatever they fly by, the main production and local ones. These are the conditions for all investors with us.
                  1. Holoy
                    Holoy 14 August 2017 17: 51
                    +3
                    In Russia, in the Motorized Rifle parts of the equipment, there is much more complicated technology than in the Airborne Forces for example. The firepower of the Motorized Rifle Division is 90% greater than that of the Airborne Division ... Elite is a thing of the past ... Now any part is the Elite! I think soon the Airborne Forces will be minimized ...
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 14 August 2017 18: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Holoy
                      In Russia, in the Motorized Rifle parts of the equipment, there is much more complicated technology than in the Airborne Forces for example. The firepower of the Motorized Rifle Division is 90% greater than that of the Airborne Division ... Elite is a thing of the past ... Now any part is the Elite! I think soon the Airborne Forces will be minimized ...

                      I don’t belong to paratroopers, I celebrate holidays that I jumped before May 28, which is now August 18, but jumping is the merit of the local Aero Club. laughing
                      Yes, somehow the “blue” is indifferent, although the familiar Ryazan graduated, I almost sent myself a bottle to someone, I see this airborne diagnosis laughing
          3. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 14 August 2017 17: 33
            +2
            This is not anti-advertising. This is a healthy criticism. Is AEK bad? “No, he's quite good.” - Is he good enough to replace them with 15 million Kalashnikovs (or at least one million in the regular army)? - No, the advantages of AEK are not so obvious, and the disadvantages are visible to the naked eye. That's just Kazakhstan and could buy a batch of a hundred thousand trunks for its quite a small army. It would not be worse.
            1. marshes
              marshes 14 August 2017 17: 44
              0
              Quote: Roma-1977
              . That's just Kazakhstan and could buy a batch of a hundred thousand trunks for its quite a small army. It would not be worse.

              Only if they were produced at us. And so we are satisfied with the reserves of TURKVO, but they are not eternal.
              Here we are completing the cartridge plant, otherwise it turns out 1,5 lard of cartridges for a month of defense.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 August 2017 16: 53
        +1
        "We are waiting for weapons based on other principles" ///

        It is not a matter of other weapon principles.
        The point is in other sights. They improved radically.
        Previously, only snipers had any sophisticated optics (day and night).
        Today - every mediocre, seedy footman.
        Therefore, weapons must be improved (or developed from scratch) AT SIGHTS.
        To use their capabilities 100% WITHOUT SHOOTING and quick-detachable.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 14 August 2017 17: 24
          +1
          Specificity. Optics is not a panacea. And does not change tactics revolutionary, and does not give dominance on the battlefield. All the same, the infantry will be divided into ordinary shooters, "Marxman" and LMG, even if their weapons are of the same type, like a modular one, for each specific soldier. Small arms themselves reached the pinnacle of evolution. The widespread implementation of “intelligent” sights is still far away, but even they will increase the effectiveness of fire far from as high as some expect.
        2. marshes
          marshes 14 August 2017 17: 34
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Therefore, weapons must be improved (or developed from scratch)

          Well, they’ve survived, now they’re developing weapons for the sight, it’s not easier to produce under the existing cartridge.
          By the way, I heard from a relative that you did Galil that under 5,56x45 for the variation of the AKS-74 U, you did it. In Mexico there are a lot of them, I really don't like them.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 August 2017 17: 44
            +1
            Maybe ... I'm not happy with Galil. I don’t know what was done to him
            in recent years. In my time: heavy, inaccurate. Is that a biped
            he was comfortable. And in the car on his knees fit with a folded butt.
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  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 August 2017 13: 46
    +4
    At last. It was important to end Colt's monopoly
    in the arsenal of the American army. And then - no development.
    Stuck on M4.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 14 August 2017 14: 25
      +1
      IMHO, the word "development" is not quite suitable for this case. Still, this is a classic assault rifle that does not contain anything revolutionary.
  11. Operator
    Operator 14 August 2017 13: 59
    0
    Money down the drain - it's time to switch to 6,5-7,62 mm.
  12. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 August 2017 14: 00
    +1
    At first I thought that they inserted a photo of the M-4 carbine.
    But no, here is a proof with a diagram.
    http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1322
  13. LEYBSHTandArts.
    LEYBSHTandArts. 14 August 2017 14: 01
    0
    In this weapon for the modern army good
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 18: 30
      +2
      Quote: leybshtandartss
      In this weapon for the modern army

      No way SS drew?
      1. LEYBSHTandArts.
        LEYBSHTandArts. 14 August 2017 21: 10
        0
        I have many accounts under different names, and the fact that you saw something fascist does not mean that I am like that.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 21: 15
          +4
          Quote: leybshtandartss
          I have many accounts under different names, and the fact that you saw something fascist does not mean that I am like that.

          Well, I certainly would not have taken that.
          1. LEYBSHTandArts.
            LEYBSHTandArts. 14 August 2017 22: 16
            0
            Damn, when I created my account, I read about LeibStandard, so I gave the name
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 22: 37
              +3
              Quote: leybshtandartss
              Damn, when I created my account, I read about LeibStandard, so I gave the name

              So you need to think with your head sometimes. My grandfather in the tank was burning while this Leibstandard was operating on the Eastern Front.
              1. LEYBSHTandArts.
                LEYBSHTandArts. 14 August 2017 23: 24
                0
                not yours alone. hi
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 23: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: leybshtandartss
                  not yours alone. hi

                  That's what I'm talking about. Only now I took my nickname in honor of my grandfather, and you seem to be not very friendly with your head. Put a hat on it. Okay, hushed up.
  14. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 14 August 2017 14: 03
    +1
    Serious machine
  15. JonnyT
    JonnyT 14 August 2017 14: 22
    +1
    Kokh showed himself poorly in the water, but still better than with a condom on the barrel of the MKI to land
  16. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 August 2017 15: 06
    +6

    For a plant that has squeezed out THIS over 30 years, it should be a shame ... [/ quote]
    Why over 30? Over 70!
    1. marshes
      marshes 14 August 2017 15: 56
      +2
      [quote = TUFAN] A plant that has squeezed THIS out of itself in 30 years should be ashamed ... [/ quote] [/ quote]
      What are you using now?
      In general, I consider the standard of quality, personally, as AKM, C, and AK-74, C automatic machines, released before 1988, and the rest sucks.
  17. Engineer
    Engineer 14 August 2017 15: 38
    0
    BATTLEGROUNDS beat like laughing
  18. hohol95
    hohol95 14 August 2017 16: 18
    0
    The lancet,
    With you, Mr. Comrade - master, FULL SORROW hi
    WITH HUMOR TIGHT!
  19. PROXOR
    PROXOR 14 August 2017 18: 12
    +1
    And he didn’t open the lid on the video on the shutter frame? Probably because he can’t shoot anymore))))
  20. - = ANTRAX = -
    - = ANTRAX = - 14 August 2017 21: 36
    0
    push button as evidence of “uptime”. it’s better to conduct a test at the Kalashnikov plant.
  21. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 14 August 2017 22: 32
    0
    Yes, Russia was also excellent, I think the AK12 assault rifle until it was remade into a dull ,, G, AK16. Here comes the question why such degradation as with the T72B3
  22. Maxnet
    Maxnet 15 August 2017 00: 06
    0
    Oh dear, they changed the disgusting gas pipe to a piston with a pusher, in fact an important change, plus the reliability of the design.
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  24. Igorec
    Igorec 16 August 2017 16: 23
    0
    3000 dead presidents rifle cost? 3 ak-12
  25. Artem Popov
    Artem Popov April 10 2018 11: 52
    0
    Quote: Vovanya
    Quote: 32363
    You stated that the Germans were stealing / stealing ideas, I asked you: - from whom did they steal rocket technologies?

    - It YOU in vain such a phrase was written. The guilt of the Germans is the most important thing, we will remember it for another thousand years, because Germany’s military (including missile) industry is free millions of captives and disenfranchised slaves worked, and this is the theft of labor and ideas, and of the lives that were used to develop your technology.

    Well, the USSR was just one big concentration camp, except that the severity of the regime of detention from ruler to ruler changed - are you going to hate him just as much? 30-40 %% of the country's GDP for military purposes went, according to various estimates, this was not close in Germany in the peaceful years.
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