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Putin is not to blame. Russians simply cannot build liberal democracy

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In the USA, a new point of view on the political process in Russia has appeared. It turns out that the cause of the deterioration of relations between Washington and Moscow is not Putin personally, in Russia in general. It is not Putin who should be blamed, but the whole of Russia: Russians are basically unable to build a liberal democracy.



Photo Shoot: kremlin.ru


On the inability of Russians to create a liberal democracy told the managing director of the organization "Kissinger Associates" Thomas Graham (Thomas Graham) in the journal "Politico".

Today in Washington it is customary to blame President V. Putin for the deterioration of Russian-American relations. This is not true: there are disagreements between the two states long ago, from the nineteenth century. Periods of cooperation can be counted half fingers. The journalist is confident that relations should be established not with Putin, but with Russia. And it must be borne in mind: in the near future, this country will not become a liberal democracy. Why? Yes, simply can not. Maybe not be able to ever.

The disagreements between Washington and Moscow are chronic and depend fundamentally on changes in technology. Values, spheres of influence, principles of the world order - there have long been major differences. And even in Russia's intervention “in the internal affairs of the United States,” the author did not find anything innovative: when the Communists ruled the USSR, this threat existed quite real.

After the collapse of the USSR, however, the Americans considered that the Russians would accept a liberal democratic order and a free market. The argument was a conviction: after all, such an order made the West prosperous. But Russia went its own way, "traditional." Tensions between the White House and the Kremlin under Putin returned. Turning back to the past, the author notes: Russia, most likely, will never become such a liberal democracy that fits into Western models.

At the same time, Russia will not cease to be a major player in the international arena. Therefore, Washington has no choice but to cooperate with Russia. And here there are a number of difficulties: how to establish partnership with a powerful country that adheres to other values ​​and competes for influence?

The analyst notes the low effectiveness of the sanctions: the White House is unable to isolate Russia. It is better to pragmatically “conduct business” with Moscow in a pragmatic way. As for geopolitical rivalry, here we must try to reduce the risk of full-scale conflict to a minimum. The vital interests of the United States will continue to be upheld, but one should be willing to compromise on other issues. The world is full of risk, and both Washington and Moscow must understand that growing global chaos requires balanced relations. This will allow in the future to promote the interests of both states, concludes Mr. Graham.

Of course, the author takes the position of pacifism and seeks to prevent a war, to which the opposing powers are clearly sliding down with their ships, planes tanks, submarines and nuclear weapons. The trouble to the house is that the "vital interests" of the USA are spread over half-planets, and no one knows what kind of "interest" will be given priority next week. Obama is reconciled with Iran - Trump reconcile canceled. Obama behaved relatively quietly in Syria - Trump blasted the Tomahawks over Assad's troops. Next in line is the DPRK. Obviously, all these threats and blows are a sign of liberal democracy. Bombs and rockets are the means for its accelerated construction.

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  1. Altona
    Altona 14 August 2017 07: 58
    +6
    Liberal democracy will not work in a large country with large and powerful enemies. In addition, this is basically the power that is transferred to the talkers and demagogues from the oligarchic circles. In some sense, we have a very liberal democracy. We have a parliament that is not responsible for anything, we had elected governors and mayors, an elected president. In the USA and other countries, I personally no longer see any liberalism, reactionary regimes with propaganda, police force and other delights have been built for myself. Against this background, we have many better things, but nuts are also tight.
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 August 2017 08: 11
      +17
      All you need to know about liberal democracy ...

      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 14 August 2017 08: 25
        +6
        Putin is not to blame. Russians simply cannot build liberal democracy

        "... You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat!" (with) yes
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 14 August 2017 08: 54
          +13
          Yes, on the spindle to rotate this "liberalism", and all for a short time! Let them figure it out for themselves, and let us not teach them their teachings! am All sorts of bulk and so heap in tea.
          1. Monos
            Monos 14 August 2017 09: 40
            +5
            And at the same time, one must take into account that in the near future this country will not become a liberal democracy. Why? Yes, simply can not.

            Strategic mistake. It doesn’t “fail”, but “does not want to”.
            But in general, quite a healthy look.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 14 August 2017 09: 45
              +9
              I recalled an old joke:
              - Klavdia Filipovna, how can it be like this: you, a milkmaid-record holder, a mother-heroine, and suddenly you became a currency prostitute?
              - Probably just lucky ...
      2. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 14 August 2017 08: 47
        +8
        In one of the films, the following phrase sounded:

        “Bandits are worms. But they do not agree with the worms, they are poisoned. ”

        In the same way, one can say about liberal democracy, about liberals and traitors, who simply need to be poisoned by dust and more.

        Instead of "can not", we are slowly engaged in disinfection, and therefore"we do not want"" build "this very worm-like demonocracy.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 14 August 2017 09: 15
        +1
        The managing director of Kissinger Associates, Thomas Graham, in Politico magazine, spoke about the Russians' inability to create liberal democracy.

        Quote: Finches
        All you need to know about liberal democracy ...



        Russia almost slid to such a "crap" !!!
        Enough! Crush and poison the sprouts of such an infection!
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 14 August 2017 08: 26
      +8
      Let them make liberal democracy with their friends in Qatar or Saudi Arabia. laughing
    3. Vend
      Vend 14 August 2017 09: 00
      +1
      Russia will not be able to build liberal democracy, and we already have liberal democracy. And it has always been. because we have a multinational country.
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 14 August 2017 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Liberal democracy will not work in a large country with large and powerful enemies.

      Yeah. Only free democracy will rectify the situation. It seems to be synonyms, but what a significant difference. We have a Liberal or a thief or a clown
      1. japs
        japs 14 August 2017 10: 05
        +3
        I agree with you, but it’s worth adding that the liberal is also a lawyer, in every sense of the word.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 14 August 2017 10: 11
          +2
          Quote: japs
          I agree with you, but it’s worth adding that the liberal is also a lawyer, in every sense of the word

          Vasheto Volfovich son of a lawyer bully
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 August 2017 10: 06
      +1
      "Liberal democracy will not work in a large country with large and powerful enemies" ///

      Why?
      States - a large country with large and powerful enemies. Liberal democracy works great.
      India is a large country with large and powerful enemies (Pakistan, China). Liberal democracy works.
      This is not the case, but the historical past and the resulting consciousness of people from this historical past.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 14 August 2017 14: 10
        +2
        In the USA, “liberal democracy” is somehow very different from what they propagandize around the world and, in fact, is a typical clan oligarchy with all that it implies, and with a performance called “elections” every 4 years ...

        In India, too, it does not smell much like liberal democracy, given the fact that the caste system is actually preserved and the laws declaring the orientation of the crime a crime ...

        And yes you are right - everything follows from the historical past))))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 14 August 2017 14: 19
          +2
          "with a performance called" elections "every 4 years ..." ///

          The performance updates every 8 years the entire elite, the entire bureaucratic riffraff.
          And not only admin.president, but also Congress (which actually rules the country).
          And renewal of power is very important for the progress of the country. New people - new directions
          new ideas. This is the key to understanding the accelerated development of the United States in the world for the past 300 years.
          But to understand this, you need to break away from the inhibitory historical past.
          (as did Japan, South Korea, others, detached from feudal survivals and abruptly transferred to the "group of leaders")
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 14 August 2017 17: 30
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And not only admin.president, but also Congress (which actually rules the country).
            And renewal of power is very important for the progress of the country.

            Ha, so these lobbyists are changing, and those who "order the music" remain unchanged, at least the last 25 years.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This is the key to understanding the accelerated development of the United States in the world for the past 300 years.

            The key to such a rapid development of the United States is not a change of power and new ideas, but the creation of initially extremely favorable conditions for the initial accumulation and subsequent growth of capital, as well as an excellent geographical position. All the rest is old-Soviet idealism in the spirit of some of our science fiction writers ...
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But to understand this, you need to break away from the inhibitory historical past.
            (as did Japan, South Korea, others, detached from feudal survivals and abruptly transferred to the "group of leaders")

            Forgive me, now you’ve said stupidity - I have, for a minute, a good acquaintance of Japan, her husband works in our embassy in Japan, so I’ll tell you that Japan is a very conservative country, some customs still reign from there of that same "inhibitory historical past." And the secret of their success is the incredible hard work of the population and the emphasis on the strengths of their culture and mentality. Although sometimes it works against them - for example, a purely Japanese feature under the slang term “face saving” (that is, when someone tries to solve even an overwhelming problem purely on their own, as applying for help will be equated with recognition of incompetence) led to such a tragic development of events in Fukushima.
            But at the same time, in Japan itself, such a relic of feudalism remains in full bloom. as the transfer of a profession by inheritance - the son of a doctor - necessarily a doctor, engineer - engineer, etc. And if the son wants to take another profession, then he must actually renounce his father (and the father from him, which is usually accompanied by a break in the family) and find himself a special mentor in the chosen profession, who de facto replaces his father (sometimes they even live in one house).
            Well, it’s not worth talking about women in Japan - since the deep Middle Ages, a woman has been lower than a man, although now this is not legally legal. Somehow, our dear professor Lutova told me how the Japanese people rounded their eyes when they introduced her to them as “Lutova-sensei,” because their woman cannot simply be a professor - they won’t let her go, and so on.

            So, even with the feudal remnants of the land, the country can be in the lead, and the secret is simple - you have to WORK, and not sit on the mound / couch and, while drinking vodka, moan about "all in demand .. alipolymers" ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 14 August 2017 17: 38
              0
              "The key to such a rapid US development is not a change of power and new ideas,
              and in creating initially the most favorable conditions for primary accumulation
              and subsequent capital growth, as well as excellent geographical position "////

              You fully confirm with this statement my thesis about the burden of the historical past.
              I think for your grandchildren, what I wrote about “in a change of power and new ideas” will be
              completely trivial sentence ("this is so clear"), and for you - a stone wall.
              Therefore, it is better if we remain with our views. Thanks for the discussion. hi
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 14 August 2017 17: 49
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                You fully confirm with this statement my thesis about the burden of the historical past.

                Then the last question can be - what do you think is the "burden of the historical past"? Because, from the stories of relatives, it becomes clear to me that in fact, the newly created in the twentieth century, Israel is carefully digging out this burden of millennia ago?
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 14 August 2017 18: 37
                0
                Py.Sy. And yes - I am NOT against new ideas and a change of power, I am against the idea that this can be realized only in the conditions of the so-called "liberal democracy" - there is a totalitarian China example - every 10 years the whole leadership is completely updated ...
      2. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 16 August 2017 06: 13
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        India is a large country with large and powerful enemies (Pakistan, China). Liberal democracy works.

        have you heard anything about castes? democracy, yeah ...
  2. Maz
    Maz 14 August 2017 08: 00
    +6
    Enough of us liberals, this is a synonym for thieves and traitors to the Fatherland at the moment
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    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 August 2017 08: 08
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      requires one who takes full responsibility

      Here is the fullness of the vat with shit, it seems it will not be overflowing with their responsibility what
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 14 August 2017 08: 14
        +2
        Here is the fullness of the vat with shit, it seems it will not be overflowing with their responsibility

        Sometimes RUSSIA is unlucky in this regard and the vat with shit rules the country stinking like in a pigsty.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 14 August 2017 08: 17
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Sometimes RUSSIA is unlucky in this regard and the vat with shit rules the country stinking like in a pigsty.

          Therefore, periodically, a coup of that vat takes place, with an outflow of rotten into the trash ..
          But here again, we need someone who can handle this business. The role of personality in history.
          And you correctly noticed to whom what nickname History gives .. Terrible, Stalin and ... marked, drunk, iPhone ...
          1. japs
            japs 14 August 2017 10: 12
            +4
            A vat is with shit on the head of the people!
            Oh, where are you, Joseph Vissarionovich, yes Lavrenty Pavlovich ...
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 August 2017 08: 19
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          a vat with shit rules the country stinking like in a pigsty.

          I don’t want to repeat myself, I posted Shevchuk’s clip on another light, if they didn’t smear)))
          So it stinks at us, and they have impressive deodorants, which are not available to a simple absent-minded imperial.
          Tolerate to pull and pull the belts on inspiration sad
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 14 August 2017 08: 01
    +1
    Yes, we don’t know how to liberalize, although there are enough liberalists and we will not have gay parades and we have interests around the world.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 14 August 2017 08: 03
    +1
    It’s better to pragmatically “conduct business” with Moscow in a pragmatic way. As for geopolitical rivalry, here we must try to reduce the risk of full-scale conflict to a minimum.

    Common thought, a real opportunity.
    But they just can’t recognize this, therefore
    and all of Russia: the Russians, in principle, are unable to build liberal democracy

    Everything is in line with how bad the Russians are, that we are forced to turn a blind eye to their shortcomings for the sake of peace on earth.
  6. Basil50
    Basil50 14 August 2017 08: 06
    +2
    In the verbose definition of * democracy * and in even more verbose interpretations of various * democracies * it is drowned that only COLONIAL and MONARCHIC countries recognize themselves * as the basis of democracy *. Other countries are considered only as * infected * by democracy or as controlled by * democracies *. As an example, Germany, which is still occupied and therefore * follows a democratic course *.
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 14 August 2017 08: 09
    +4
    Russians simply cannot build liberal democracy

    "They can not" and "do not want" a big difference ....
  8. Moore
    Moore 14 August 2017 08: 21
    +3
    If "liberal democracy" for Russia in the American concept means:
    - willingness to be robbed;
    - disarm in the sense of nuclear weapons and send troops to where the "elder brother" orders;
    - reduce the population to the minimum planned by the same "elder brother" for servicing the pipe,
    - Then tries such a democracy.
    We don’t get into the “golden billion” already due to the fact that for the “general people” they have always been non-managers. Sometimes useful, but usually outrageously intractable when they came to rob.
    So, to the indignation of the local libertarians, all the "democratizers" are walking through the woods.
    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 14 August 2017 08: 43
      +2
      Well written! good I’ll add from myself what I said 70 years ago, comrade Stalin: "I always thought that democracy is the power of the people, but Comrade Roosevelt clearly explained to me that democracy is the power of the American people."
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 August 2017 08: 46
    0
    Thomas Graham, Managing Director of Kissinger Associates, spoke about the Russians' inability to create liberal democracy

    ... and we need it, to ask this graham, write and write about your merikatosia, but we ourselves somehow - without pointers and moralizing ... angry
  10. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 August 2017 09: 06
    +1
    They don’t go to a foreign monastery with their own charter. Do not hell and they shout to us, with their values ​​and moralizing.
  11. Mudoz Won
    Mudoz Won 14 August 2017 09: 44
    0
    No draft !!!
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  14. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 14 August 2017 13: 24
    0
    What is essentially liberal democracy? the struggle of elite groups for their interests the so-called in civilized ways. can such a form of government lead to prosperity? probably, when and if at hand there is an excess of resources and a large margin of error.
  15. Jack
    Jack 14 August 2017 13: 53
    0
    So. They began to agree on a "draw". Apparently not ready now .... they still need time. Like something like "we wanted peace"! Liberals are hypocrites.
    Well? Russian wide, open, kind soul! Believe ?????
  16. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 14 August 2017 14: 11
    +1
    Many were born in the Soviet Union, read between the lines: "Russians at the genetic level are not capable of" true democracy ", therefore, it is possible and necessary to drive these" nonexclusive "through the crematorium. Nothing personal, only democracy."
  17. aliis-M
    aliis-M 14 August 2017 15: 10
    0
    AUTHOR'S DID fool that we just have a different culture. Our people need one thing - a strong power, a strong leader. Russia has always been attracted to authoritarianism and this cannot be changed
  18. Will
    Will 14 August 2017 16: 26
    +3
    Russian "spoils" the Russian language - the carrier of the code of humanity. It’s not in vain that we easily turn foreign words into ours and carry them further into history. The enemies of Russia began to understand this, so such a massive persecution of the Russian language. YTD.
  19. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 14 August 2017 19: 20
    +1
    M-YES! Well, corn does not grow in Murmansk. What are you going to do here? This is not our way. They tried for twenty-five years. Not growing! It is necessary to be round and .... m in order to continue to impose what is not vaccinated here.
    This is already from the category — I’ll bastard you — I’ll make you happy! hi
  20. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 14 August 2017 20: 16
    +1
    We are different in this world ... How many times have they tried to remake us in a Western way in our history .. They don’t succeed! And now we will redo the WORLD again and have already begun .. Get ready gentlemen!
    Eat pineapples, grouse chew .. Your last day comes bourgeois! This is our genetic level resistance to everything ..
  21. earloop
    earloop 15 August 2017 00: 40
    0
    You listen to American, European and home-grown liberals: sheer lies, juggling with facts, unsubstantiated argumentation based on shameless audacity, looking into the eyes of an opponent, declaring that "everyone in the world knows" that the "world press has published irrefutable data", which there is no evidence, "refined cheap food, and so on. Many people are quite happy with such a life. Well, let them live on their health! But," do not meddle and stomp our vineyards "! (as F. Rabelais wrote). Do not bother to live others who are strangers to aggressive liberalism. And then you will find your “brother Jean” who will tear out a tree and with this club will sweep away all “stomping its vineyards”! We don’t climb into your liberal “vineyards”, you don’t climb into ours!
  22. forester
    forester 15 August 2017 11: 01
    0
    So they will soon agree to the fact that the Russians have no right to exist, because of the inability to accept their "values"
  23. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 15 August 2017 23: 35
    0
    "It’s not Putin who is to blame, but the whole of Russia: the Russians, in principle, are unable to build liberal democracy."
    Hooray, finally it dawned on them !! Previously, everything came to them between the eyes with a cudgel, but now they themselves begin to understand ... though, a cudgel is still needed, but now it’s enough to show. It’s not necessary to beat.

    The British have long suspected this:
    "It turns out they are the wrong bees. Absolutely wrong. And they probably make the wrong honey." (with)
    And it only came to Sha))
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