News from the fields, or about the food security of Russia 2017

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The situation connected with the sanctions pressure and the actual refusal of individual states to carry out fair competition raises the question of Russia's food security. It is about achieving food independence or, at least, reducing dependence on food products of foreign production to a minimum. This material will focus on the report of the Ministry of Agriculture in terms of the 2017 harvesting campaign and the dynamics of the food supply of the Russian market with domestic food products.

The question attracts special attention for a variety of reasons, and all of them are in one way or another connected with the very possibility of Russia to provide the population without thinking about what the "partners" think about this. The older and middle generation of citizens remember very well how overnight the goods disappeared from the store shelves, then after some time these shelves literally began to fill up with European and North American products, which attracted colorful labels and often surprises with internal content ... , according to numerous testimonies of people involved in the late Soviet food industry, warehouses in a number of regions were overloaded with domestic products, which kept eh from the exit for the implementation - at sunset USSR deficit created largely artificial.

The above report Ministry of Agriculture states that the harvest campaign of the 2017 of the year, if it does not lead to another record, can follow in its results to the impressive values ​​of previous years - for 100 million tons of grain.
So, these departments on 11 August.



News from the fields, or about the food security of Russia 2017


The total sown area for grain and leguminous plants in Russia in 2017 was about 47,8 million hectares. To be "more visible" - it is more than the territory, for example, Sweden or Uzbekistan. At the same time, it is 41% of the area of ​​the sown area of ​​the USSR of the 1986 model of the year. Although in this case it is incorrect to compare with the USSR for the simple reason that the territory of the USSR, which obviously was not limited to the territory of the RSFSR.

At the same time, Russian agrarians, as follows from the reports, annually increase the acreage, which once again confirms the fact that the agricultural sector is indeed on the rise today. And let the phrase have already managed to fill the edge of teeth, but it is quite possible to repeat once again: “thanks to the sanctions!”

On 10, August, in Russia as a whole, grain and leguminous plants were threshed from an area of ​​about 14,4 million hectares (30,1% of the total sown area). At the same time, 59 million tons of grain was milled. For comparison: this is 13% less than on the same date last year. However, farmers state a significant increase in yield. If in 2016, the average yield by this time was 34,5 centners per hectare, then this year it is already 40,9 centners per hectare. Growth - 18,6%. Record yield, it would seem, as in previous years (due to at least climatic factors) should be demonstrated by agricultural farms in the Central (45,9 centners / ha) and Southern Federal Districts (42,3 centners / hectares). However, in the current year, the Northwest District shows truly record levels. If in the NWFD in 2016, the yield of grain and leguminous plants was less than 30 centners per hectare, in 2017 the figure is impressive - almost 48 centners per hectare. In fairness, in the Northwestern Federal District grain and cleaned only with 4% of acreage. And because statistics only for these percentages of the harvesting campaign.

The increase in yields on average in the country is demonstrated not only in terms of grain. The Ministry of Agriculture offers reporting data for other crops. Thus, in comparison with last year, agricultural organizations and peasant farms increased the yield of vegetables from 140, 5 centners from hectare to 144, 9 centners per hectare. The yield of potatoes and sugar beet increased from 245,5 to 249 and from 463,8 to 464,3 c / ha, respectively. The yield increase gives rapeseed with simultaneous growth in 2017 of acreage (from 15 to almost 22 centners per hectare).

There is a stabilization of the agricultural market. At the same time, official data on prices for basic agricultural products are published. Thus, wholesale prices in the European part of the Russian Federation for wheat flour have decreased by 6,3% since the beginning of the year and amount to 15305 rubles. per ton. Rye flour from the beginning of the year has fallen in price by 3,5% - up to 11785 rub./t. A sharp drop in prices was recorded in the segment of buckwheat sales - after the real price hysteria of 2015-2016, the price of buckwheat went down. In comparison with 2016 - immediately on 20%.

Such a product as sugar fully reflected the inflationary trend in the country. The weekly increase in sugar prices on average in Russia was 0,1%.

The Ministry of Agriculture claims that within a month in the Russian Federation there was a decrease in prices for milk from agricultural producers. The fall in prices averaged 3,4%.

It should be noted here that in the end, a reduction in the price by a milk producer did not at all result in a decrease in the price of a liter of milk in stores. Retail claims that the rise in prices for milk and dairy products is associated with an increase in prices for fuel and the use of transport infrastructure. Although it could obviously find work for the Federal Antimonopoly Service for the simple reason that traders are in any case trying to find a reason for getting more profit, even if the manufacturer goes into the zone of losses.

The Ministry of Agriculture states that the growth in the supply of domestic agricultural products continues along with the growth of the entire agricultural sector. Of course, there are problems, but these are not the problems that agriculture faced even 5-7 years ago.

The Office reports a decrease in imports of agricultural products for a number of items. So, for milk, the drop in imports in July 2017 of the year amounted to 44,89%. True, export has also significantly declined - by 35,84%.



35,18% decreased sugar imports. Small amounts of sugar were imported from Azerbaijan and the PRC. At the same time, the export of sugar abroad from Russia compared to last year amounted to (attention!) 4721,31%.



Again, Azerbaijan bought the largest volumes of Russian sugar. In the second position - Kazakhstan. The six "leaders" in the procurement of sugar from the Russian Federation and Ukraine. By the way, Ukraine is among the leaders in the purchase of other agricultural products from Russia. For example, milk. Since the beginning of the year, almost 15 thousand tons have been purchased.

The three leaders in grain procurement from the Russian Federation are Egypt, Turkey and Yemen. For almost three 6 million tons. It should be noted that Russia increased imports in a number of grains. For example, in Vietnam and Georgia.

As you can see, the task of not only ensuring the food security of Russia itself, but also accessing foreign markets for Russian agricultural products is being solved. When considering unfair competition from a number of "partners", this is problematic, but any problem, as the industry itself shows, can be resolved if you apply strength and do not blame it on the weather, then on the envious neighbor.
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  1. +7
    14 August 2017 06: 36
    I read the article with pleasure, there is nothing to compare. And as the classics used to say, “We can, if we want”. If you add the average weather in Russia here, you can feed yourself, fall asleep in bins, and sell the excess.
    1. +11
      14 August 2017 08: 13
      Quote: aszzz888
      "We can, if we want to"

      the question is what?
      in the store our local tomatoes 160 imported melons 60, this is not even funny, seed fund imports, machinery imports, fertilizers IMPORT
      what price reduction we are talking about, HOW and WHERE this happens, the allocated money is buried in the ground and no one bears responsibility
      1. +15
        14 August 2017 08: 14
        About grain picture with the history of the issue:
        With milk (more precisely, with what is now called) it is even worse.
        "To reduce the cost of milk, Russian producers add water to it, and to avoid quick souring of the product, they mix in chalk, starch, lime, soda, soap and even gypsum. How did the Rosselkhoznadzor come to this conclusion ..." - https://agroinfo.com/2106201603-v-sostave-rossijs
        kogo-moloka-nashli-mel-izvest-i-dazhe-gips /

        On a palm tree in milk, it’s been a long time since Putin made a public statement that during that speech he gave instructions to label palm-containing products. Well, how did the officials fulfill it? Yeah, right now. But Medvedev signed a strategy to improve the quality of food products until 2030. Khrushchev was going to build communism in such a time.
        1. +9
          14 August 2017 08: 25
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          and to avoid quick souring of the product, mix chalk

          how did you live in union? !!
          milk was not buried for months, but was natural
        2. +21
          14 August 2017 08: 53
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          "To reduce the cost of milk, Russian producers add water to it, and to avoid quick souring of the product, they mix in chalk, starch, lime, soda, soap and even gypsum. How did the Rosselkhoznadzor come to this conclusion ..."

          That's bullshit! I work as an electrician in a private agricultural enterprise. On the farm that I serve, there is imported milk milking and cooling equipment. Absolutely nothing is mixed into milk! The quality of milk is checked daily: for bacterial insemination, for antibiotics, for density, for fat, for protein, for acidity. If you wish, nothing will be able to mix in the milk on the farm. Yes, this is not profitable for livestock breeders: having slightly reduced the quality of milk, the price of its sale immediately drops, or even the central milk carrier will not accept it at all. Maybe somewhere in the outback they indulge in milk, but this is most likely due to hopelessness, and the price of their products is most likely incomparably lower than for example ours. And their hopelessness lies in the fact that they have no alternative where to get their milk: they buy it from them for cheap, but there is no way to sell it to another place. So everyone strives to have his own “profit”: one chemists with milk, and the other buys it for nothing.
          1. +9
            14 August 2017 10: 15
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            "To reduce the cost of milk, Russian producers add water to it, and to avoid quick souring of the product, they mix in chalk, starch, lime, soda, soap and even gypsum. How did the Rosselkhoznadzor come to this conclusion ..."
            That's bullshit!
            In our country, the media very often launch a campaign under the slogan "Everything is gone!" - and that’s bad, and it’s even worse. But the media needs a sensation
            - here they organize them. Milk and dairy products are checked quite tightly by all kinds of controlling bodies, and it is unlikely that anyone will chemicalize, risking the closure of the enterprise, adding all kinds of crap like chalk, gypsum and lime. Yes, and for non-acidification of milk per liter of chalk, 70-80 grams will be required, and the chalk in the milk practically does not dissolve - a precipitate will be immediately visible. Less lime will be required, but immediately there will be a specific aftertaste, just like from gypsum. It’s easier to add soda - but again you can’t get rid of the taste. About Khzleb - I know how and where, but I can say about the Bryansk region. Previously, our bread was only of our own production. But it was also produced at 80-90% of its own grain grown with us. And the quality of this grain has never been good. Therefore, high-quality grain grown south was also purchased for food purposes. The same is done now. Only before, there was practically no packaged bread - in my opinion, only one bakery produced some good white bread, packed in wax paper. The rest of the bread was sold without packaging. It was fresh to foolish delicious, with a crisp. Now almost all bread is packed in cellophane or polyethylene, but they are still packing it hot, moisture accumulates inside - this is a nutrient medium for mold. And it will be much worse to get stale in the package. Therefore, bread molds, not stale. I'm not talking about the fact that special chemical additives are not added to remove staling - of course, they are added. But the storage and sale conditions of bread have also changed. Now in the Bryansk region, 80-90% of bread is baked from Bryansk grain in the same way as in the Soviet Union - nothing has changed here. But they also bring it from the Kursk and even Voronezh regions, though the most high-quality and more expensive one.
            And the bread assortment has grown immeasurably. In principle, you can always find a wallet and taste.
            1. +5
              14 August 2017 11: 26
              Quote: andj61
              Milk and dairy products are checked quite tightly by all kinds of controlling bodies, and it is unlikely that anyone will chemicalize, risking the closure of the enterprise, adding all kinds of crap like chalk, gypsum and lime.

              Rosselkhoznadzor is the controlling organization. She beats the bells.
              Just read the current GOSTs, which is now allowed to the producer of drinking milk and dairy products. Questions will disappear.
              By the way, producers of raw milk (including farms) also have many opportunities to do shit. I'm talking about the nutrition of a cow with all kinds of chemistry and medicines. Now, for the FIRST time, they were preoccupied with feeding the cow with nitrogen-containing additives in order to overtake protein indicators. https://informatio.ru/news/society/gost_na_syroe_
              moloko /


              Unpacked (after unpacking the house) bread also rots. I just remember the taste of Togo Bryansk and Togo Moscow bread. Is there really something comparable now for any price? I have plenty to choose from, but I can’t find.
              1. +4
                14 August 2017 11: 54
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                Unpacked (after unpacking the house) bread also rots. I just remember the taste of Togo Bryansk and Togo Moscow bread. Is there really something comparable now for any price? I have plenty to choose from, but I can’t find.

                In Bryansk, even now, a small amount of gray and white bread is produced without packaging. In stores at the bakery, you can almost always buy it, but in ordinary stores, upon receipt, it is immediately packed in plastic bags. But I often buy it. If you remove the usual grumbling that is characteristic of my age (56 years) about the fact that before the bread was tastier, the horseradish was thicker, and the fish were in the rivers, then we can say that this fresh bread is no different from the same age 30 back. Moreover, under the USSR, "low quality" was often produced (for 13 or 14 kopecks instead of the usual 16) - so it was practically impossible to eat the very next day - the throat was tearing. As they said then - this bread for livestock: it was almost impossible to buy compound feeds. Yes, one more thing - in the USSR, the mass of bread was constantly decreasing. In the beginning of the 70s, the weight of a loaf of gray was 1 kg, by the end of the 70s the weight dropped to 900 g, in the 80s the weight was already 800 g., And now 600-650 - depending on the bakery. Another point - in Bryansk, the Bezhitsky bakery produces poor quality bread in any form, even without packaging. Those who work on it claim that this is due to the addition of crushed unsold bread to the dough, often even already moldy. I can’t say how much this corresponds to reality, but judging by the real quality of the bread, I believe in it! bully hi
              2. 0
                16 August 2017 19: 21
                Nikolai no offense Rosselkhozbeznadzor heap of lack of knowledge knowing nothing, not knowing
              3. 0
                20 August 2017 20: 13
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                I'm talking about the nutrition of a cow with all kinds of chemistry and medicines. Now, for the FIRST time, they were preoccupied with feeding the cow with nitrogen-containing additives in order to overtake protein indicators.

                In Soviet times, synthetic urea was added to ruminant feed. Who doesn’t know, I explain - a cow has grass, it ferments it in its rumen; when it is fermented, a microbial hay stick develops there, which is a source of protein. Proteins are polysaccharides with an integrated nitrogen molecule. The function of protein synthesis is taken by the microbe. The cow absorbs microbial protein and urea is the food of the microbe. Therefore, the cow has more milk when adding urea ..
            2. +2
              14 August 2017 14: 07
              Quote: andj61
              Milk and dairy products are checked quite tightly by all kinds of controlling bodies, and it is unlikely that anyone will chemicalize, risking the closure of the enterprise, adding all kinds of crap like chalk, gypsum and lime.

              don't make people laugh
              Quote: andj61
              Previously, our bread was only of our own production. But it was also produced at 80-90% of its own grain grown with us. And the quality of this grain was never good.

              ? !!!!!!
              Yes????
              and who told you that?
              1. +2
                14 August 2017 14: 14
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: andj61
                Previously, our bread was only of our own production. But it was also produced at 80-90% of its own grain grown with us. And the quality of this grain was never good.
                ? !!!!!!
                Yes????
                and who told you that?

                I am a native of the Bryansk region and, with the exception of 5,5 years of study at the university and 3 years of distribution work, I also live here. I follow the regional news carefully, and what kind of bread I make from which I keep track of constantly. In the Bryansk region, until recently, high-quality grain was not grown. In the past few years, attempts have been made, but it is expensive and troublesome, cheaper to buy high-quality wheat in more southern and fertile areas.
                It is only interesting that it excited you so much: the fact that high-quality grain is not grown in the Bryansk region, or that bread is 80-90% made from raw materials grown in our country? wink
                1. 0
                  14 August 2017 20: 13
                  the fact that bread was always made from fodder
                  1. +3
                    14 August 2017 20: 42
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    the fact that bread was always made from fodder

                    And where did you see me?
                    In the Bryansk region, with the exception of the last three to four years, wheat was not grown hard and valuable breeds - the soil and climate are not favorable. And wheat in any case is not a very good forage: barley and oats are the leaders here. In the USA, and we have recently, still corn. And wheat for animals as feed is much less suitable. Livestock feed is now made from low-grade wheat, but it is worse in quality than the same from barley and oats.
          2. +6
            14 August 2017 10: 31
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            That's bullshit! I work as an electrician in a private agricultural enterprise. On the farm that I serve, there is imported milk milking and cooling equipment. Absolutely nothing is mixed into milk!

            Rosselkhoznadzor raves? Oh well.
            Counterfeit products are not engaged at the level of an electrician on a farm. You need to be adequately aware of your place in the chain.
            Dairies, dairy plants are the place where the hellish mixture that is sold in stores is produced and packaged from your RAW milk.

            PS. And how much raw milk is produced, and how much supposedly milk is sold. The numbers are not comparable.
            1. +6
              14 August 2017 11: 34
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Counterfeit products are not engaged at the level of an electrician on a farm. You need to be adequately aware of your place in the chain.

              But at the farm level, do not engage in falsification! Quality products are sent to the dairy! You can believe me: I know the whole chain of milk’s movement from the cow to the “tank” in which the milk is stored and to the “central carrier”, which collects this milk.
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Dairies, dairy plants are the place where the hellish mixture that is sold in stores is produced and packaged from your RAW milk.

              But dairies are not milk producers, they belong to processors, and these are two big differences. In your previous comment it was written:
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              "To reduce the cost of milk Russian manufacturers water is added to it, and to avoid quick souring of the product, chalk, starch, lime, soda, soap and even gypsum are mixed.

              It turns out here is written about farms, not about dairies. And I protect farms, not dairies - there they are engaged in falsification in full force. No need to shift the blame “from a sore head to a healthy one”.
              1. +2
                14 August 2017 12: 28
                Quote: SRC P-15
                It turns out here is written about farms, not about dairies. And I protect farms, not dairies - there they are engaged in falsification in full force. No need to shift the blame “from a sore head to a healthy one”.

                You noticed that I have given quotereferenced. You do not like how Rosselkhoznadzor formulates? It happens. Here's another quote: "The Federal Service for Rosselkhoznadzor announced that it will soon begin to publish information about all cases of fake dairy products.
                The department took this decision due to the fact that low-quality goods were found on sale, in which they found not only water and vegetable fats, but also starch, soap, acid, soda and lime.
                According to the representative of the phytosanitary supervision department, head of the international relations department of the FSBI “VGNKI” Yulia Melano, specialists from the state budgetary institution will collect data from all regions of the Russian Federation on cases of falsification of milk and dairy products. As a result, a list of “honest” manufacturers will be formed, TASS informs.
                Melano also said that information about enterprises that allow fake goods will appear on the VGNKI website in the near future. Any Network user will be able to see the "black" list and the results of inspections by experts of the Rosselkhoznadzor. "- https://mirnov.ru/lenta-novostej/rosselhoznadzor-
                obnaroduet-dannye-nechestnyh-proizvoditelei-molok
                a.html

                The black list on the VGNKI website did not appear. Which is to be expected.
                And about the farm. Cows now eat a lot of chemistry and medicine. And only now, the standardizers FIRST time worried about feeding the cow for one specific point - nitrogen-containing additives in order to overtake protein indicators. https://informatio.ru/news/society/gost_na_syroe_
                moloko /
                Quote: Okolotochny
                What would the company purposefully add water to milk ??? Give facts .. However, this forum user "EXPERD" in the field of agriculture.

                You are a dumb troll. The facts are provided by the Rosselkhoznadzor, and I gave links.
                1. +6
                  14 August 2017 14: 29
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  You are a dumb troll. The facts are provided by the Rosselkhoznadzor, and I gave links.

                  A dumb troll, this is you, having read all kinds of articles on the internet and poking links to me. Who better knows what is added or not to milk: the troll has gained knowledge on the Internet, or a person working in the production of this milk? Once again I say: with milk "dabble" in dairy factories, and not on farms! On the farm, milk is checked in all respects: for antibiotic content, for purity, for fat, density, acidity, protein (this is greetings to you from nitrogen-containing additives), bacterial seeds, etc. And milk is checked at the dairy constantly and on the farm, not counting any commissions checking the cleanliness of milking equipment and milking parlors. In addition, the commission also checks milk in all respects. To tell you the price at which our farm dispenses milk to the dairy? Are you ready? - A farm delivers a liter of milk at 27 rubles with a fat content of at least 4%! And how much does milk cost in stores after "processing" it at the dairy? And you still dare to accuse farm workers of diluting their milk!
                  I hope that Nikolay S. is not hiding under the nickname of politician Nikolai Starikov, whom I fully respect.
                  1. +2
                    14 August 2017 16: 09
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    Dumb troll, it's you

                    In my message to this definition, the addressee was clearly indicated - the character Okolotochnywho did not realize the meaning of a simple message from the Rosselkhoznadzor.
                    If this did not reach you and you applied it to yourself, then you had reason to do so.

                    What and how to control in milk is prescribed in GOSTs.
                    At the same time, the Rosselkhoznadzor said it was in milk during such inspections.
                    I also quoted that there are still uncontrolled parameters, such that allow chemistry on farms, for example, to manipulate the protein content. But you don’t even suspect about it. You reason at the level of "check ALL (about how!) the parameters "and" dilute milk "(which is easiest to check.)
                    This is because you are just an electrician. Technologist, livestock specialist, livestock farmer, agronomist, veterinarian, etc. You will not become. You don’t understand how and why, and why cattle is fed. And there, I’m a whole electrician, I work in production. You seem to be confusing the earth with zero. Take care that your cows do not get stressed.
                    1. +3
                      14 August 2017 16: 56
                      After reading your previous comment again, I noticed that you were not contacting me. Therefore, I apologize for the carelessness and involuntary insult of you.
                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      I also quoted that there are still uncontrolled parameters, such that allow chemistry on farms, for example, to manipulate the protein content. But you don’t even suspect about it.

                      Do you finally understand: milk from the farms goes to the dairy, and they look for any clue there to reduce the purchase price of milk. And they have the opportunity to check milk in all respects! If something improper were found in our milk, then the price would be immediately reduced or milk would be returned back (which has already happened). Therefore, "chemical" on a farm with milk is more expensive.
                      How and what is fed to the cattle is not for you to tell me, I started to mow mowing in the lower grades, because my mother could not mow alone on a cow (my father was without a leg from the war). After straw, they had to mow the straw on the litter - they mowed the remaining stubble. I remember our children's tears and the tears of our mother, hands in bursting corns from a braid, rake and pitchfork! And you will tell me that I do not understand the feeding of cows? Do you yourself even know the difference between silage and silage and hay? What are crusher and sprinkle? And why are few grazing cows now, and more are kept on farms all year round? I could ask you a lot of such “ifs,” but it’s all in vain, because the answer can be easily found on the net. And what kind of electrician I am, not for you to judge, it seems not bad if I am still working at 62 years old.
                      It seems you are still not the Old Men! hi
                      1. +1
                        14 August 2017 17: 43
                        Quote: СРЦ П-15
                        Therefore, I apologize for the carelessness and involuntary insult of you.

                        Thank. Everything is fine. I am not the first to be rude. It was in reply nasty Roundabout.
                        As a child, I lived in a village, mowed hay and did the rest of the work, we had a lot of cattle. So for the village I do not need to tell. It’s just that in my childhood I went to a special school. but in the summer he came to help.
                        What is checked and what is not and how this happens, I think, I understand better. Because I'm used to working with normative and technical documentation, and you don’t even respond to keywords.
                        I have a power engineer with a MEI specialized education with experience in the operation and construction of key defense facilities. She asked her how to humiliate the simplest electrician.
                      2. 0
                        16 August 2017 03: 44
                        Quote: СРЦ П-15
                        It seems you are still not the Old Men!

                        And why is he better than the rest?

                        I remember Glazyev at one time praised when there was a candidate for tsar ....

                        I don’t know who your Starikov is, but from childhood I read books about military leaders, and in one of them, about Tukhachevsky. In addition, there is a book. In general, all the biographical subtleties ...... and then I saw your Starikov, he’s chopping down blunders about the marshal with a saber, except that he offends the insults of the designer Grabin ....... uh, somehow thought and this political creature pouring tendentiousness in front of the camera did not receive an introduction. In a word, a person who is not able to approach the subject with depth, did not deserve a serious attitude - he floats on the course.
          3. +7
            14 August 2017 11: 44
            I support, especially about water. What would the company purposefully add water to milk ??? Give facts .. However, this forum user "EXPERD" in the field of agriculture.
          4. +5
            14 August 2017 13: 06
            08.53. SRC! Well, the fact that a cow does not mix anything in its milk, I believe. This milk is bought outbid. It is clear that they will not buy water. We talked on this topic with a man with milk. Where do you buy milk? At 4 a.m., the GAZones milk tankers are already moving around the district. Still have cows? There is. Few, but there are. Enough for a dairy? We buy a palm tree, milk powder. But it really is. Many milk products have a dairy product label. And this applies to cheese and kefir. Even Russian cheese is a dairy product, Sausage product and even processed cheese (a product of secondary re-melting) are a product. At first, you don’t understand why the taste is so different from the Soviet one. And then you begin to read the label, and you understand, you have been fooled! hi
          5. jjj
            +2
            14 August 2017 13: 46
            The volumes of milk accepted by milk processing are reduced to its fat content. If you donate a ton of milk with a fat content of 3,8 percent, then you will be paid more than a ton of milk with a fat content of 3,4 percent. The fatter the milk, the more expensive it is. This was followed back in Soviet times.
            But the control of seeding and keeping this indicator at a good level is a modern achievement
        3. +1
          14 August 2017 10: 53
          But donkey urine is no longer held in high esteem?
        4. 0
          14 August 2017 14: 25
          Like a treat, I burst with sunflower oil and salt.
        5. +1
          14 August 2017 17: 43
          If the bread is moldy, then it’s wet and spores fly. If the bread is stale, it means very dry. You can store bread in a jar filled with nitrogen or argon, then it will be stored for a long time. By the way, the remaining bread from the store is processed and again turned into bread (according to GOST).
        6. +1
          20 August 2017 00: 23
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          To reduce the cost of milk, Russian producers add water to it

          Water is added to reduce fat content, and not at all cost.
      2. +7
        14 August 2017 10: 52
        Remove from trade:
        1. Foreign trade enterprises
        2. A chain of parasitic resellers intermediaries between the village and consumers, give the village to earn.
        1. +2
          14 August 2017 10: 55
          Here's another. From Zhi ...
          Why not listen and do it!
          1. +4
            14 August 2017 13: 34
            10.55. Bullshit Zhirinovsky. What are outbid? In the USSR there were collective farms millionaires. They were able to build roads in the village, housing, purchase equipment. The slaughterhouse and the sausage shop are not so big money that the monopolies for slaughtering or releasing sausages do this. Collective farms occupied territories where plants and animals were grown. Several villages were part of one collective farm and worked without leaving for Moscow. There were livestock complexes. 30-40 thousand goals. And this is a lower cost compared to small farms per 100-300 heads. Feed could be grown both by ourselves and purchased, changed to meat. Why not use past experience? Collective farms may well produce sausage and dairy products. And do not talk about a meat factory or cheese factory as a spaceship. This is not very big money so that only monopolies deal with it. This can easily be done by a dairy or meat agricultural complex. Putin really claims that meat was not produced in the USSR and went to Moscow for him. The hall refuted it, but Putin rested that it was. The marble meat of the USSR may not have produced and livestock did not drink beer. But the meat processing plants worked and the stench from them probably stood within a radius of 5 km from them. The province stank, but Moscow produced the meat !? Today, a meat factory does not stink where meat is grown and made today, I don’t know. Maybe in the storeroom !?
    2. +8
      14 August 2017 08: 22
      To complete food security in Russia oh how far.
      Yes, we are pleased with the progress in agricultural production achieved as opposed to sanctions. And what will happen when the sanctions are lifted?
      There Turkey already threatens with some sort of retaliatory measures if their tomatoes are not allowed on the Russian market. And what will happen if Turkish tomatoes are launched? Yes, our tomato agricultural workers simply can’t stand the competition due to more severe climatic conditions than in Turkey, lower due to economic (financial and credit) conditions, labor productivity.
      What are the problems of the agricultural sector in Russia that prevent it from reaching the proper level?
      These problems are the same as for other industries:

      - lack of state protection protection of domestic producers from competition of foreign industries located in more favorable natural and economic conditions;
      - the lack of real state support for large collective farms, based on collective forms of ownership, according to the type of national enterprises;
      - lack of an effective mechanism for financial lending to real industrial and agricultural production;
      - lack of state strategic planning of the entire national production;
      - and so on, so on, so on.
      It is impossible in the existing model of liberal economic development of Russia, carried out by the current liberal Government of "United Russia", to achieve complete food security, as well as proper development and progress in the strategic industries that provide us with a move forward.
      We need a rejection of the liberal model of economic development and the transition to a state planned model in strategic sectors, including agricultural.
      1. +5
        14 August 2017 08: 42
        Quote: vladimirZ
        It is impossible in the existing model of liberal economic development of Russia, carried out by the current liberal Government of "United Russia", to achieve complete food security, as well as proper development and progress in the strategic industries that provide us with a move forward.
        We need a rejection of the liberal model of economic development and the transition to a state planned model in strategic sectors, including agricultural.

        Absolutely true. In practice, P. Grudini shows this in his work. And the futility of the so-called farming imposed by the liberals is practically proved, an indicator of the futility of the efforts of these same farmers not united in any kind of cooperation. Http://fb.ru/article/172297/jivotnovod
        stvo-v-nashem-krae-problemyi-i-perspektivyi-razvi
        tiya
        Yes, despite the fact that the current financial elite does not need strong, independent nation-states or traditional societies. Moreover, they are their direct enemies, especially if such a state or society is well armed, with a strong independent economy that can literally feed its people through its agriculture. And God forbid for our enemies, if this society has a developed culture, and it will adhere to the Traditions and their values. http://pir.ucoz.ru/publ/selskoe_khozjajstvo_v_ros
        sii_prichiny_i_vinovniki_ego_upadka / 1-1-0-9
      2. +2
        14 August 2017 10: 59
        The main objectives of ensuring food security regardless of changes in external and internal conditions are:

        - timely forecasting, identification and prevention of internal and external threats to food security, minimizing their negative consequences due to the constant readiness of the food supply system for citizens, the formation of strategic food supplies;

        - sustainable development of domestic production of food and raw materials, sufficient to ensure food independence of the country;

        - achievement and maintenance of physical and economic accessibility for each citizen of the country of safe food products in volumes and assortment that meet established rational food consumption standards necessary for an active and healthy lifestyle;

        - ensuring food safety.

        Food independence of the Russian Federation - sustainable domestic food production in volumes not less than the established threshold values ​​of its specific gravity in the commodity resources of the domestic market of the corresponding products.
      3. 0
        16 August 2017 03: 59
        Quote: vladimirZ
        - lack of state strategic planning of the entire national production


        How to plan it? Could you describe in more detail? To increase the population? What for? For more people to suffer? laughing
        1. +3
          16 August 2017 05: 51
          How to plan it? Could you describe in more detail? To increase the population? What for? For more people to suffer? laughing - romance 11

          Such as you can only jerk and can, knowledge is probably not enough.
          In all the leading states of the world, there is strategic state planning with the aim of reducing the risk of economic crises that are inevitable for capitalism and maintaining its leading roles in the competition with other states.
          It is enough to look at the experience of the same US systematically leading the struggle for its leading role in the world. Japan is a country that does not have any raw materials, has taken the experience of planning the USSR and successfully used it at home - one of the leading industrial powers in the world.
          Now look at Russia, which has declared at the suggestion of the Americans since the 90s that it refuses all state participation in the economy, planning, and has switched to liberal politics, "the market will ruin everything." - The abrupt destruction of their industrial and agricultural potential, and the slide, according to the level of economic development, into the world of "African" states.
          How to plan? It is enough to recall the experience of the Soviet past, to concentrate efforts on strategic sectors of the economy, taking them under state administration and planning, taking from the "effective" billion-paid government officials, such as Sechin-Miller.
          In agriculture, the planned provision of assistance to large farms with collective forms of ownership, their protectionist support.
          1. 0
            16 August 2017 21: 06
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Such as you can only jerk and can, knowledge is probably not enough.

            Why jerk? On the contrary, it is interesting how the economy can lift itself up by the hair ..... using a plan?
            What is the purpose of such an economy? For example, in the 30s it was wise to create a production workshop of the country, there many problems were immediately eliminated - this is a demographic failure, due to the WWII, civil and devastation, and independence in the future from foreign capital, we could produce industrial goods at home, and not to buy there, and in the event, as happened later, of the deteriorating international situation, transfer the economy to military tracks.
            Now such tasks are not posed, completely different conditions. For example, why do we need to increase the population if we have not eliminated excesses in the market economy? Monopolies, total corruption, cultural decline, nepotism at work and of course the huge inequality in generating income. What will such demographic growth lead to? To even greater social aggravation in society and the possible recurrence of shocks. Therefore, we need to decide what kind of society we need to build and then it is already applicable for him to edit the economy. One of the important directions is the replacement of hydrocarbon exports, I agree here - it was a long time to plan such a change in exports.
    3. +5
      14 August 2017 09: 18
      When we "overnight" disappeared products from store shelves - homeless people in landfills rejoiced! The same shops and cooperative shops earned quite a lot, buying fresh sausage and canned fish thrown from them for moonshine. Personally faced with this phenomenon. They pulled one homeless person for the murder of a fellow, and there the whole chain stretched. laughing
      So the shortage of products was created artificially, as well as the fact that at once all tobacco factories got into repairs and chocolate sweets disappeared. And soon all these industries were bought up by foreign dealers.
      1. +7
        14 August 2017 13: 30
        I read professional oppositionists on the forum here - the nicknames are the same - in any topic - whether it’s building a new ship - or leading from the fields - or leading from the economy - in general, guys understand money flows, seed crops and animal husbandry in geopolitics

        universal and comprehensive knowledge. Straight envy takes

        Monster_Fat, the head does not burst from such volumes of knowledge? Or at the top I pulled it like any schoolboy and speak here with expert assessments?)

        You have a MIATORG (see founders) has!


        The sling cutter here is also an expert in everything just wassat Kremlin curses absolutely any topic

        maybe milk and butter in the store are natural? !!!


        No, you drink oil and spread it on bread.

        prices for CX products are getting cheaper and the products themselves are getting better every day ?!


        you are simply not on the farm, to show everyone an example of how to sell products cheaper and better than those of the neighbors.
        1. +5
          14 August 2017 14: 52
          By the way, for the founders of Miratorg most likely a duck, which the Monster joyfully gives out as the last resort. They are kept by two brothers, their surname is the same as the maiden name of DAM's wife. By the way, they reject kinship. And the Monster is apparently a "candle holder."
        2. 0
          16 August 2017 04: 03
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          in general, guys understand money flows, seed crops, livestock and geopolitics

          Yes we are - we hold the tail with a gun laughing
    4. 0
      14 August 2017 14: 39
      Record yield, it would seem, as in previous years (due to at least climatic factors) should be demonstrated by agricultural enterprises in the Central (45,9 c / ha)

      Author, what are you writing about? What is the average yield in 45 kg / ha in the central federal district, which is higher than the yield in the traditional bread-making south. Or horses mixed in a heap, people: incomparable productivity of vegetables, potatoes, sugar beets and grains. But with numbers you need to operate wisely. In the south, cereals are almost harvested. And you compare their productivity with the yield of potatoes and vegetables in the central strip, where the main crop has not yet been harvested.
    5. 0
      14 August 2017 19: 46
      I will not mention a few points on agricultural production.
      The main thing is the habitability of the spaces of Russia.
      in the explosion of the Nevsky Express in 2012 (?), the survivors were warmed up by a grandmother in the house, apparently a crawler (every 5 km along the canvas), then the "rich Pinocchio" was tonsured, in gratitude, a new house.
      EVERYWHERE SHOULD BE LIFE.
      OUR. not a stranger, hostile.
      it costs money, it is more than a centner \ ha.
      soon the Yakut diamonds will be distributed for "living in the non-chernozem region (Central Federal District and the North-West Federal District, there is not enough money in the Urals Federal District and the Siberian Federal District as always) for more than 25 years"
      1. 0
        14 August 2017 20: 12
        Quote: antivirus
        soon the Yakut diamonds will be distributed for "living in the non-chernozem region (Central Federal District and the North-West Federal District, there is not enough money in the Urals Federal District and the Siberian Federal District as always) for more than 25 years"

        But can I clarify more precisely when?
        1. 0
          14 August 2017 20: 13
          we will survive.
          or vice versa, the Chinese will populate empty cemeteries
  2. +10
    14 August 2017 06: 41
    Agriculture is really on the rise. I see this and have a relation to the agricultural sector at work. The only minus is that the administrative resource is crushing small farms. Here is an example, Kuban. We were forbidden to have pigs in private farmsteads because of the plague supposedly .. And in the neighboring Rostov region at 20 versts, no. Is it not there, or is it just that the management does not have a personal interest in pig farming?
    1. +7
      14 August 2017 07: 46
      Quote: 210ox
      .And in the neighboring Rostov region, 20 versts, no. Is it not there, or is it just that the management does not have a personal interest in pig farming?

      You have a MIATORG (see founders) has! belay
      1. +1
        14 August 2017 14: 42
        Miratorg has nothing to do with it. Tkachev has large pig farms in the Kuban. To reduce the risks of plague, he simply forbade keeping private pigs.
        1. +6
          14 August 2017 14: 53
          They can’t ban. There is no such law yet. Connected while adm.resource, media.
      2. +3
        14 August 2017 20: 12
        Yes, and the Agricultural Bank .. Well, in short, everything related to the Tkachev family .. We don’t even have pheasants per tribe to buy in Rostov ... Only from ...
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: 210ox
        .And in the neighboring Rostov region, 20 versts, no. Is it not there, or is it just that the management does not have a personal interest in pig farming?

        You have a MIATORG (see founders) has! belay
    2. +2
      14 August 2017 08: 26
      Quote: 210ox
      Agriculture is really booming

      unfortunately this is an appearance and if God forbid, the war "Leningrad" will be across the country
      1. +1
        14 August 2017 08: 49
        No, not visibility - reality.
        1. +5
          14 August 2017 08: 55
          and what is the reality ?!
          did your seeds appear?
          maybe milk and butter in the store are natural? !!!
          prices for CX products are getting cheaper and the products themselves are getting better every day ?!
          You do not hesitate enlighten the illiterate people
          1. +1
            14 August 2017 21: 27
            “Or maybe the milk and butter in the store are natural” These are the shops you need to know, not far from me there is milk, sour cream, fermented baked milk - everything is natural.
            1. +1
              14 August 2017 23: 20
              or maybe you don’t have to hide your heads in the sand?
              if large brands drive bullshit then this is an indicator
              1. 0
                15 August 2017 21: 42
                Let them drive what they want, we have a wide choice - everyone chooses.
                1. 0
                  15 August 2017 22: 11
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Let them drive what they want, we have a wide choice

                  Do you mean the choice between bullshit and garbage ?!
                  then yes there is a choice in the store
                  1. +2
                    15 August 2017 22: 27
                    Greetings, Owner! hi
                    At all times, the rule "If you want to do it right - do it yourself!"
                    Today it is not a problem to grow some kind of vegetables and fruits on a plot in the country, in the village. I understand that this will not solve all the problems. But even in Norway (with its most stringent requirements for the contents of the counters in stores), people grow certain types of vegetables and fruits.
                    1. 0
                      15 August 2017 22: 47
                      a small farmer can give a variety of products, but not saturate the wound, and we are trying to make a panacea out of him
                  2. 0
                    16 August 2017 21: 19
                    There is a choice between bullshit and quality product.
                    1. 0
                      16 August 2017 21: 58
                      Yes
                      for the sake of interest I’m looking at a milk display case, although it’s not necessary, and somehow there are big problems with the quality
    3. +4
      14 August 2017 10: 25
      Quote: 210ox
      Agriculture is really on the rise. I see this and have a relation to the agricultural sector at work. The only minus is that the administrative resource is crushing small farms. Here is an example, Kuban. We were forbidden to have pigs in private farmsteads because of the plague supposedly .. And in the neighboring Rostov region at 20 versts, no. Is it not there, or is it just that the management does not have a personal interest in pig farming?

      It’s even more interesting here: if a farmer starts raising pigs, or local residents organize their commercial production for sale, the following scheme immediately works: somewhere in the nearest forest, wild boar is killed, the carcass is taken for examination (of course, the “independent” were killed hunters!), and according to its results it turns out that the carcass is infected with the African swine fever virus. A prescription is issued, and pigs with purely symbolic compensation are destroyed throughout the neighborhood. When cunning zhurnalyugi noticed that the “hunters” were the same several times, they began to make it easier: the carcass of a dead boar was found in the forest - further along the same lines. It is in this way that the profitability of large pig farms of the same Miratorg is ensured. Now it’s almost impossible to buy "home" pork on the market. hi
      1. 0
        20 August 2017 00: 30
        Quote: andj61
        if the farmer starts raising pigs

        Let the farmer raise his pigs outside the village.
    4. +5
      14 August 2017 13: 10
      There are ASF outbreaks in the Rostov region. Go to the Rosselkhoznadzor website, see the ASF outbreak map. Almost the entire European part of Russia is blazing.
      1. +1
        14 August 2017 20: 15
        Quote: Okolotochny
        There are ASF outbreaks in the Rostov region.

        ASF seems to be a pure horror story, by the way, I wonder where the Ebola, bird flu, etc. went.
        1. +5
          15 August 2017 00: 02
          "Apparently" is not an argument. Once again I suggest - go to the Rosselkhoznadzor website. By the way, ASF instructions were drawn up even during the USSR. That is, "written in blood."
          1. +1
            15 August 2017 07: 02
            Well, come and then I will see?
            but the thought didn’t come to you that this is a tool
    5. 0
      16 August 2017 04: 22
      Quote: 210ox
      Isn’t it there, or is it just that the management has no personal interest in pig farming?

      This is politics laughing

      Kuban - breadbasket, wheat is a strategic raw material ....., i.e. very good quality - in other places this is not. For the state, quality wheat is a firmer currency than pork. Pork is a secondary commodity than wheat, therefore the state’s gold and foreign exchange reserve, which is convenient for maneuvering in foreign markets, because it is always needed by someone, is liquid ..... but pork is not needed at all in poor countries, and therefore you can’t exchange it for anything, no benefits. Those. You can of course, but liquidity is lower.

      This is only one factor, there is still specialization - the underestimation of the costs of producing one product, the maximum production efficiency, i.e. it is profitable for you to sell the surplus during the exchange than to produce another product in addition - from this the resources are efficiently distributed. wink
  3. +8
    14 August 2017 07: 02
    But the article does not reflect, but what is "sown" in the fields of Russia ?. In Soviet times, I remember the importance of the militia, judging by what I myself saw this year in the Krasnodar Territory, militia has already been forgotten about the militia long ago, and the grain rods are the same as in the USA. Why's that? It can be assumed (namely, assumed) that the seed is not local, but “imported”. What if this is so? And what if it's GMO? A GMO seed is produced only artificially and only in the United States. It turns out that in order to collect a "record" crop without troubles, it is enough to buy GMO seeds from Americans or from someone else. But suddenly, then they will take and refuse to sell them? What kind of food safety is GMO needle hooking? even worse than replanting the pipe. Once again, this is just an assumption because of the lack of coverage of this issue in the article.
    1. +6
      14 August 2017 07: 08
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      What kind of food safety is GMO needle hooking? even worse than replanting the pipe

      Moreover, the production of GMO seeds is carried out by the company that poisoned the land in Vietnam.
    2. +14
      14 August 2017 07: 59
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It can be assumed (namely, assumed) that the seed is not local, but “imported”.

      Comrade, why assume!
      Do you need to clearly understand where the Russian selection is located? I hope you understand where?
      Seed material is purchased in the glandogeyropojusaaynagvadelupupii!
      Fertilizers are also used, since the ammonia pipeline from Togliatti is being directly transported to the Odessa port (shipped there to the west), through LDNR and no one will even tear it belay
      Then...
      the grown crop with high gluten of wheat is sent for raccoons again over the hill, but the 5th category forage is given to Russians for food, flavored with baking powder and activators of taste and smell. On this bread, it’s good now to produce penicillin in a day.
      The so-called "blue eye" is now a purely Dutch variety!
      But our "Nevsky" variety rested in the Bose ....
      PS. In besieged Leningrad, our people preserved the seed fund under general hunger !!!
      And for 25 years ...., I have no other words.
    3. +5
      14 August 2017 10: 40
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      But the article does not reflect, but what is "sown" in the fields of Russia ?. In Soviet times, I remember the importance of the militia, judging by what I myself saw this year in the Krasnodar Territory, militia has already been forgotten about the militia long ago, and the grain rods are the same as in the USA. Why's that? It can be assumed (namely, assumed) that the seed is not local, but “imported”. What if this is so? And what if it's GMO? A GMO seed is produced only artificially and only in the United States. It turns out that in order to collect a "record" crop without troubles, it is enough to buy GMO seeds from Americans or from someone else. But suddenly, then they will take and refuse to sell them? What kind of food safety is GMO needle hooking? even worse than replanting the pipe. Once again, this is just an assumption because of the lack of coverage of this issue in the article.

      If you just buy GMO wheat or something else, then you won’t get much gain in comparison with ordinary high-quality seeds. Americans, along with GMO seeds, are selling growing technology - with pesticides, mineral fertilizers, methods and sequence of processing, etc. And it is expensive, such seeds in Russia are officially banned for import, and there is a lot of trouble with them.
      As for land reclamation in the USSR, there are not only positive aspects, but also a bunch of negative ones. Marshes were drained, meadows turned into arable lands - this is in the middle lane. As a result, the river became shallow, there were no swamps, water did not accumulate in the spill, and was not given up in dry times. That is, the gain from this reclamation is zero: the lands are not fertile, at best, the grass was grown on them. But for this, ordinary meadows were enough.
      In the southern regions, another trouble - watering often led to salinization of soils and the transformation of good, but with a lack of water, land into salt marshes. In these cases, it is more profitable to use special methods of cultivating the soil for water retention. There were, of course, successful examples of land reclamation. But the main thing there was not improvement of land fertility, but development of funds. And mastered, and buried money in the ground.
      Remember the year 2010. Peatlands burned in the suburbs, and they had to be flooded to extinguish fires. But these peatlands were just reclaimed, that is, drained swamps. But neither peat from the marshes, nor these lands are really used either during the USSR or now.hi
    4. 0
      14 August 2017 11: 51
      But the article does not reflect, but what is "sown" in the fields of Russia ?. In Soviet times, I remember the importance of the militia, judging by what I myself saw this year in the Krasnodar Territory, militia has already been forgotten about the militia long ago, and the grain rods are the same as in the USA. Why's that? It can be assumed (namely, assumed) that the seed is not local, but “imported”. What if this is so? And what if it's GMO? A GMO seed is produced only artificially and only in the United States.

      Still in the Krasnodar Territory It is not "pearl"!
      In Soviet times, grain yields there were over 50 c / ha. Now even higher. We have our own grain seeds. What can not be said about sugar beets, vegetables, partially corn.
    5. +1
      14 August 2017 19: 08
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It can be assumed (namely, assumed) that the seed is not local, but “imported”. What if this is so? And what if it's GMO? A GMO seed is produced only artificially and only in the United States.

      I see you are an expert in everything! But for some reason you are silent about the law on GMOs! Do not do such assumptions wink The State Duma of the Russian Federation adopted in third reading the bill "On Amending Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in Part of Improving State Regulation in the Field of Genetic Engineering".

      The text of the bill implies that from the moment of its entry into force on July 1, 2017, it is forbidden to grow and breed genetically modified plants and animals in the Russian Federation. The ban does not apply only to cases of genetic examinations and scientific research, reports TASS.
    6. 0
      20 August 2017 00: 32
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It can be assumed

      Nobody is interested in your assumptions if you do not know why you are breaching?
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    1. +4
      14 August 2017 07: 31
      Quote: Shurale
      having mosk

      Here you have a “mosk”, but there are no brains, judging by the manner of communication.
      Go to school, maybe what they teach.

      I wonder what Singapore living on total food imports lacks - probably the Mosca itself, which only a single hama reader has ...
      1. +4
        14 August 2017 11: 44
        Singapore has no way out.
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      4. 0
        14 August 2017 13: 32
        Yeah, nayabednichal, deleted my words, nothing, you read them and therefore understood my opinion and its foundations. And now I'm waiting for an answer. How did you manage to put Singapore and Russia on the same shelf?
        1. 0
          14 August 2017 13: 44
          Re-read, my dear, your comment, maybe it will come up, why it was deleted. And first, read the rules of the site, and then wave your hands. If you communicate with your drinking companions in this way, then this number will not work here, here is the mass media - and be kind enough to observe the elementary standards of decency.
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            1. +2
              14 August 2017 14: 05
              Thanks for the answer, I realized, like the rest, that you are a tabloid scribbler writing on urapatriotic topics, but having a very poor understanding of the issue being described. I wish you success in your hard work. Perhaps you someday still begin to think and your articles will begin to reflect reality. Or your extra chromosome will not allow you to go to the next stage of development. We honor your next opus.


              wow what a wit

              let's cry a patriot, show how everyone needs to love their homeland, let these patriots cheers repent like Akhidzhakova.

              and jokes about extra chromosomes - are you a slave by chance?
  5. +4
    14 August 2017 07: 43
    Impressive ... but here recently on TV, Kuban-24 there was a conversation about what we are growing .. it turns out that we buy the seed fund abroad, not 100% but a lot, we split it somewhere ... The same question is with fruit trees ..
  6. +7
    14 August 2017 07: 56
    . by its results, approach the impressive values ​​of past years - for 100 million tons of grain.
    Everything in comparison is known! Why are the figures not given how many grain produced by the RSFSR? And this, if I’m not mistaken, is the same 100 million tons. So what is the achievement? Only that we are close to the Soviet level that we already had. Correct if I am mistaken.
    Mr. Volodin. It is necessary to write more voluminously. And what is written on agitation is like. For some reason, everything is compared with the poor 90s. From that we are always in the ladies. Continuous records! And if you compare with those times when our country normally lived, with the USSR, then it turns out nonsense.
    1. +1
      14 August 2017 08: 37
      Quote: Stas157
      It is necessary to write more voluminously. And then it is written on the agitation.

      If you are interested in the topic, then you should not skip other articles on agriculture. Almost every year we compare with the figures of the USSR, the RSFSR, and other republics. This time - material on the report of the Ministry of Agriculture. I do not think that it is necessary to rewrite the same data each time into new articles “for the sake of volume”.

      If you want more volume - the three-volume "Agriculture of the USSR" is suitable in any library.
      1. +2
        14 August 2017 08: 59
        Quote: Volodin
        If you are interested in the topic, then do not skip other articles on agricultural. Almost every year we compare with the indicators of the USSR, the RSFSR, other republics


      2. +5
        14 August 2017 09: 00
        Quote: Volodin
        If you want more volume - the three-volume "Agriculture of the USSR" is suitable in any library.

        Thank. But I’m not writing an article! What do you want to show in it, real records or imaginary? Those that we already had, that is, not records at all?
        You know, I’ll do it for you, look at Google! What we find:
        On average for 1983-1990. in the RSFSR collected 101 million tons of grain

        Therefore, if I would write an article, I would do it differently. I would point out that if Russia would sow the same area as the RSFSR, then it could harvest a crop of 300 million tons!
        I apologize for the edifying tone.))
        1. 0
          14 August 2017 09: 47
          Quote: Stas157
          So if I wrote an article, I would do it differently.

          So who or what bothers you? Write, specify.

          Quote: Stas157
          What do you want to show in it, real records or imaginary?

          I give statistics of the Ministry of Agriculture. But it is real or imaginary, can not be known to anyone except the Ministry of Agriculture.

          And the comparison in the material goes with the figures of the past years of the Russian Federation itself - neither with the USSR, nor with the Russian Empire, nor with Gorokhov's kingdom, namely the Russian Federation. Once again I say that the comparison with the data for the USSR and the RSFSR was repeatedly cited in previous materials on this topic. And there are many interesting topics, including the fact that they could only dream of yields in 45-50 centners per hectare in the RSFSR. Otherwise, you yourself propose “not to compare with plow”, declare technological changes and persist in insisting on comparing with the RSFSR.
          1. +5
            14 August 2017 09: 56
            Quote: Volodin
            So who or what bothers you? Write, specify.

            I'm not a writer. But, the offer is tempting!)) How much do they pay for it? Who will print? Or did you make an offer for the sake of a red phrase?))
            1. 0
              14 August 2017 10: 00
              Quote: Stas157
              How much do they pay for it?

              Oops ... That's right ...

              Quote: Stas157
              Who will print?

              Well, I say that you are inattentively acquainted with the work of "VO". The site has a special form in which you can publish your material. Next is the editorial business.
          2. +2
            14 August 2017 10: 11
            Quote: Volodin
            So who or what bothers you? Write, specify.

            well, and you do not write triumph reports
            we have continuous problems in the Union of Artists, but on paper we are already ahead of the rest
            1. +1
              14 August 2017 10: 22
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              we have solid problems in CX

              And, therefore, you are interested in articles solely on "continuous problems" and "prospectively prepolymers" ... Any success (even for the same yield) must be kept silent?

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              well, and you do not write triumph reports

              Let me decide for myself what to write and what not to write. I do not force you to read my articles.
              1. +1
                14 August 2017 13: 33
                Quote: Volodin
                Let me decide for myself what to write and what not to write. I do not force you to read my articles.

                well then let us express YOUR opinion on your articles
                1. +1
                  14 August 2017 13: 37
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  well then let us express YOUR opinion on your articles


                  Are you to you? ..

                  Opinion and handing out advice on what to write and what not to write is the essence of different things.
                  1. +1
                    14 August 2017 14: 23
                    Quote: Volodin
                    Are you to you? ..

                    pay attention to YOUR article not only I spoke
                    Quote: Volodin
                    Opinion and handing out advice on what to write and what not to write is the essence of different things.

                    you need to write the truth, even if it is not as beautiful as a handout
          3. +2
            14 August 2017 13: 32
            Quote: Volodin
            I give statistics from the Ministry of Agriculture

            by the way about statistics
            we had such a joke
            I’m raising goats, somehow I needed to clarify the info of the Ministry of Agriculture of the CX, I called them asking, I say who I’m doing what from where, and they tell me dumbfounded - so you have NO GOATS at all in the area, that's such statistics
  7. +4
    14 August 2017 08: 09
    This article is another misinformation of officials, we have almost all of the seeds of vegetable crops imported, most of the milk (in dry form), also imported, only comes through third countries. To ensure the food security of the country, we need to collect grain crops at least 1 ton per person .e. about 143 million tons, only then will there be a complete import substitution.
    1. 0
      14 August 2017 08: 53
      And of this amount, 43 million tons of grain should be exported.
  8. +2
    14 August 2017 08: 29
    Both the breeding work, and the seeds, and in livestock breeding, the attitude towards breeding has changed radically. Moscow was not built right away, but it is being built, and this is obvious to everyone who keeps their eyes and ears open. And slowly, the nuts are tightened up for retail, and the stores have everything. There is someone about the fact that in the RSFSR they collected as much grain as now ... Probably, you did not live at that time. And the phrase "Battle for the crop" is not familiar to you. Not counting that the yield of 20 kg / ha was considered RECORD!
    1. +5
      14 August 2017 08: 47
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      yields of 20 kg / ha were considered RECORD!

      No, not a record. In the Kuban, 30 c / ha were collected. But all the same, of course, this is not comparable with those crops that are now harvested per hectare. Well, so you would compare productivity with a plow still! The world is developing. Technologies, combines, seeds, etc. I spoke for the final harvest. From memory, the same 100 million tons in only one RSFSR.
  9. +2
    14 August 2017 09: 08
    In the days of the USSR it is not necessary. It is evidently forgotten about the purchase of grain from the United States and Canada. Lost lines in grocery stores, meager assortment and often the quality of the products was not very good. Body-weighted be healthy. What was the sausage? What about vegetables?
    About this notorious modern milk, which does not spoil for a long time. Please eat one week.
    Speaking of the “damned” relays. I say from their side - in our stores up to 10-15% of products are stolen and spoiled by customers, and in some types it reaches 50! And all this is laid down in the price.
    1. +7
      14 August 2017 09: 30
      Quote: Moskovit
      In the days of the USSR it is not necessary. It is evidently forgotten about the purchase of grain from the United States and Canada.

      So consumption just fell in Russia compared to the USSR! The main consumer of grain is livestock, in particular the number of cattle (plus 14 republics, ogloedov). Russia does not grow so much beef, it imports it from abroad. Therefore, the produced wheat in Russia is enough not only for itself but also for sale, too. But, the numbers say that grain production in the RSFSR, and in Russia today, is approximately at the same level!
      Quote: Moskovit
      Lost queues at grocery stores, meager assortment

      Queues and meager assortment were in the 90s. Do not blame everything on the USSR. In the USSR, the lineup for sausage (and even then not everywhere!) Was also for imported clothes.
      Quote: Moskovit
      often the quality of the products was not very

      This hour would be such a quality !! Everything was real. Natural. The same sausage, before everyone ate. And now eating sausage is considered low tone. Chemistry, paper, soy!
      1. +5
        14 August 2017 09: 47
        Quote: Stas157
        But, the numbers say that grain production in the RSFSR, and in Russia today, is approximately at the same level!


        Where are the records? Compared to what? With a pit in the 90s? ... So it’s only in terms of grain that Russia has now come nearer to the RSFSR, but for everything else it’s far ... behind.
      2. +4
        14 August 2017 12: 26
        In Soviet times, I remember giving beef on coupons. Maybe Moscow was well supplied, in the Siberian outback we defended giant lines for meat, sausage, sausages.
        Boiled sausage then oozed water. My aunt worked in the sausage shop and said do not try to take our sausage. And another acquaintance worked in a dairy store and gave sour cream to us from the back room, because they were diluted with kefir as usual. And such "good" was enough in everything, so the times of the USSR should not be idealized. For happiness there were condensed milk, chocolates, buckwheat, sprats. Therefore, the USSR partially collapsed.
    2. 0
      14 August 2017 11: 56
      Then the grain purchased in the USA and Canada went to the Far East in bulk - the railway could not cope with the transportation ...
      And nobody canceled grain export from the European part of the USSR.
    3. 0
      16 August 2017 04: 53
      Quote: Moskovit
      Speaking of the “damned” relays. I say from their side - with us

      Cool. Who is not on view? Soon nomads of the tundra will catch up laughing
  10. 0
    14 August 2017 12: 58
    When reading such articles, you begin to regret that the minuses have been removed.
  11. +1
    14 August 2017 15: 14
    The six “leaders” in sugar purchases from the Russian Federation and Ukraine. By the way, Ukraine is among the leaders in the procurement of other agricultural products from Russia. For example, for milk. Almost 15 thousand tons were purchased from the beginning of the year.

    ORDILO buys quite a lot in the Russian Federation, it turns out the country of the importer-Ukraine.
    although the export figures for these items indicate that we do not need these Russian products
    In January-June of the 2017 year, Ukraine exported 394 thousand tons of sugar, which is almost 6,5 times more than in the same period of the 2016 year.
    According to the results of January 2017, Ukraine exported 678 tons of milk for $ 434 thousand
    This is evidenced by the data of the HFS.
    The main importers of Ukrainian milk in January 2017 were Moldova ($ 160 thousand), Georgia ($ 135 thousand) and Saudi Arabia ($ 163 thousand). Exports to these countries amounted to 249,98 t, 210,93 t and 98,45 t of milk, respectively.
    Agricultural Russia set an example when sanctions. This is almost the only, but always mentioned ..
    however, agricultural exports do not yield as much as exports of industrial goods
  12. +1
    14 August 2017 20: 27
    Harvest pleases! However, prices in stores are rising! It reminds me very much of the situation with gasoline, which is growing regardless of the price of oil. And the casket opens simply: a cartel conspiracy of resellers.
  13. +2
    14 August 2017 22: 48
    Last year, the bins of the Motherland officially accepted about 120,5 million tons of grain, of which about 73 tons of wheat. This year we risk setting a historical record that has been holding since 1978, it seems when 127 million tons of grain were collected in the RSFSR. In any case, the forecast for 2017 is 125 million tons, of which 77 million tons of wheat, with 38 million tons exported (35,5 last year).
    1. 0
      16 August 2017 00: 05
      When the Union was destroyed, in each issue of the Sparks they sounded that it was impossible to produce so many tractors.
  14. 0
    16 August 2017 14: 40
    Retail, or retail chains, in the broad sense of the word, are engaged in a very important and necessary business. Blaming retailers for speculative resale is at least stupid. The fact is that they sell not so much goods as SERVICES. And above all, logistics: from acceptance, control of presentation, storage - to moving to a point of sale. At the point of sale, they provide - goods, advertising, merchandising, to the buyer - service and a variety of choices.
    Just imagine how many people are involved in this process: warehouse workers, drivers, movers, sellers, merchandisers, sales representatives. And also a lot of equipment: refrigeration, lighting, unloading, computer, cash. And all this costs money, and all these jobs, all kinds of "controlling" authorities tirelessly observe them, go through inspections, collect taxes, fees, bribes ... And now, thanks to all this crap, you come to a clean, bright store , clogged with a variety of goods, and choose according to means and preferences. This is, in general terms, a civilized sales method that is prevalent throughout the world.
    Now imagine that they took and removed the "speculators-networkers." And then immediately in the end we get the very situation that was described here in the comments: the manufacturer’s clogged warehouses, the goods deteriorate and are thrown into landfills, and in a few outlets - empty shelves and long lines. The manufacturer begins to throw off the goods of the army of resellers, who are "on hand" in the city markets selling it. Who remembers the vegetable and meat departments of Soviet shops and the spontaneous markets in stadiums will understand me.
  15. 0
    16 August 2017 19: 19
    yeah food safety nudes - an actual ban on checking sea fish, for example, radiobiology (hi Fukushima), the actual widespread destruction of the state service (there are only one bosses left), the introduction of a long mercury system, nudes
  16. +1
    17 August 2017 16: 08
    Some historical facts.
    The monument to potatoes is located in a small Siberian town - Mariinsk. The choice of the city for the installation of the monument was not accidental, since Mariinsk holds the world record for collecting potatoes. So in 1942, the Mariins collected 1 centners of potatoes from 331 hectare. Until that time, only the Americans had a world record of 1 centners. Even at present, the record is not broken. The opening of the monument took place in 1,1, the UN declared this year the International Year of Potato. The administration of the Mariinsky district announced a competition for the best design of the monument. In total, more than 2008 models made from various materials were sent. The winner was the famous Mariinsky craftsman, artist, birch bark painter Yuri Mikhailov.
    Mariinsk, this is with us in Western Siberia.
    https://www.rutraveller.ru/place/95582
  17. 0
    17 August 2017 19: 50
    A high yield is good, but what about quality?
    Every year, the quality of harvested grain falls (apparently, effective owners are not effective enough).
    It got to the point that in 2018 a new GOST will come into force, allowing the baking of bread from 4th grade grain. That is, feed grain.