Russia won the "Tank Biathlon" at ARMI-2017

The Russian team won the final race of the "Tank Biathlon", which was held in Alabino near Moscow, told the journalists in the Russian military department.

Russian servicemen won the final race of Tank Biathlon with a total time 1 hour 30 minutes 43 seconds. In second place - the team of Kazakhstan with the result 1 hour 45 minutes 41 second

- Said in the Ministry of Defense.

Bronze went to the Chinese team, having covered the distance in 1 an hour 46 minutes and 50 seconds. The four leaders of the tankers of Belorussia closed the distance in 1 hour 48 minutes and 40 seconds.

In 20: 00, the closing ceremony of the Army International Games begins at the Alabino training ground. The final race of the "Tank Biathlon" is timed to this event.

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

Well done! Gave a good mood! Congratulate everyone!!!
And the Chinese tank did not live up to the expectations of the Chinese military ...

[Trevis]

So I did not understand what happened with the broadcast. What time was the beginning? Five miles written on miles. An hour was waiting and nothing. Then it seemed to go, but the brakes got so bad, even worse than the commentator. And such crap on the most interesting, before this review is normal. Repeat better look later.

But well done! They showed good accuracy and speed of course!

[siberalt]

Yes, what kind of broadcast is there, if the leadership of all channels in the Canaries. Why are they worse than our deputies?
They took all the best from the USSR. Holidays like in maternity leave, holidays like with schoolchildren, salaries like with ministers, pensions like Heroes of the Union, and everyone wants to become “national”.

[Trevis]

I did not think that the Kazakhs of the Chinese would get around. Well done!

[cniza]

In general, we were able and traditionally this is ours, Kazakhs are great ...

[Observer2014]

siberalt

Yes, what kind of broadcast is there, if the leadership of all channels in the Canaries. Why are they worse than our deputies?

"Russia1" just broadcast for two hours. Have you been overheated there for an hour on the islands?

[HAM]

Watch the "Star" there is fully broadcast

[Observer2014]

HAM

Erase the "Star" there is fully broadcast

Nifiga! I looked perfectly at Rossiya1.

[Observer2014]

Guberniev how can wants to be like Ozerov. About brides and possible brides, tankers said how he could

[113262a]

Smiled, the Chinese have great surnames, great! (There is a mat on the mat, not surnames!)

[Trevis]

Quote: HAM

Watch the "Star" there is fully broadcast

Damn, my lags on her were wild. Pacrpatriot was not shown at all.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Trevis

They showed good accuracy and speed of course!

That's the big question for accuracy. It fell into the envelope at the ski biathlon, the target closed and then fled. And in the battle, getting "out of bounds" is a rebound or non-penetration of the armor. And this may end there - the enemy will not allow more shooting.

[Observer2014]

Captain Pushkin

That's the big question for accuracy. It fell into the envelope at the ski biathlon, the target closed and then fled. And in battle, getting “out of the envelope” is a rebound or non-penetration of the armor

In the village of Gadyukino it rains again!

[Settlement Oparyshev]

I don’t like these pokatushki. Here if they would give an oncoming battle, platoon to platoon, firing with wooden blanks, or an ambush battle, this is a fresh adrenaline rush.

[Observer2014]

Settlement Oparyshev

I don’t like these pokatushki. Here if they would give an oncoming battle, platoon to platoon, firing with wooden blanks, or an ambush battle, this is a fresh adrenaline rush.

Logical. I understand why the Strategic Missile Forces does not participate in competitions

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Observer2014

Settlement Oparyshev

I don’t like these pokatushki. Here if they would give an oncoming battle, platoon to platoon, firing with wooden blanks, or an ambush battle, this is a fresh adrenaline rush.

Logical. I understand why the Strategic Missile Forces does not participate in competitions

well yes! the entire disc burns until it reaches

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Observer2014

I don’t like these pokatushki. Here if they would give an oncoming battle, platoon to platoon, firing with wooden blanks, or an ambush battle, this is a fresh adrenaline rush.
Is logical. I understand why the Strategic Missile Forces does not participate in competitions

Imagine - out of the water n-fluff! Fuck, where's Chicago? So the teachings of Army 2018, an American child, just. And nefig was shaking eggs.

[MstislavHrabr]

Give a tank paintball !!!

[113262a]

Black cumulative from 300 meters rear tower breaks! (95 tank regiment knows!

[svp67]

Quote: p-k Oparyshev

with shooting wooden blanks

Go to Mulino ...

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Observer2014

In the village of Gadyukino it rains again!

And ricochets all in one. . Everything is fucked up.
But for some reason not a single adversary can be seen in the vast.

[sabakina]

What does the Gadyukino have to do with it? How many hits were in the edge? I can present, but with a hangover, too lazy to search and screen.

[svp67]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

And in the battle, getting "out of bounds" is a rebound or non-penetration of the armor.

You have missed the word: “POSSIBLE”. Since in this case, rebounding or not breaking is possible ... and maybe not.

Quote: Captain Pushkin

And this may end there - the enemy will not allow more shooting.

Yeah, and the enemy, that all the shells are MAGIC? They can’t ricochet or not break through the armor?

[Serg 122]

Yeah, and the enemy, that all the shells are MAGIC?

Here, perhaps, another word is EXCLUSIVE ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: svp67

Yeah, and the enemy, that all the shells are MAGIC? They can’t ricochet or not break through the armor?

Of course they can. The trick is that the one who more often smears or puts shells "in size" will simply live less.
And he is not a long-lived person who gets where he needs to, but he takes a shot for 10-15 seconds before shooting - he will definitely lose to someone who fits in 5-8 seconds.
Well, there is much more that determines whether you live or die, but it is hardly interesting to a civilian.

[svp67]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Of course they can. The trick is that the one who more often smears or puts shells "in size" will simply live less.

On the account, it smears yes, but on the account of the "size" I do not understand what you mean by that.

Quote: Captain Pushkin

And he is not a long-lived person who gets where he needs to, but he takes a shot for 10-15 seconds before shooting - he will definitely lose to someone who fits in 5-8 seconds.

Did you shoot from a tank? Are you aware of the algorithm of action of the gunner and the entire crew when firing? Do you know the loading time of guns on tanks?

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Well, there is much more that determines whether you live or die, but it is hardly interesting to a civilian.

Only on condition that at some point this person knows for sure that he will not change the status of "civilian" to "mobilized"

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: svp67

at the expense of "size" I do not understand

“Envelope” is when a projectile catches the edge of the target. There, no shell could penetrate the armor. Why - try to guess.

Quote: svp67

Are you aware of the algorithm of action of the gunner and the entire crew when firing?

About thirty years ago, in Germany for Leopard-2 tankers, the standard for target detection-aiming-shot was 8 seconds. One polkan in the press boasted that in its part in the Central Army Command on the T-64 this norm was fulfilled in 7 seconds.

[svp67]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

“Envelope” is when a projectile catches the edge of the target. There, no shell could penetrate the armor. Why - try to guess.

Dear, such a hit is not counted. I don’t have to try, what to guess there, I still remember the course of firing from CO and BM

Quote: Captain Pushkin

About thirty years ago, in Germany for Leopard-2 tankers, the standard for target detection-aiming-shot was 8 seconds. One polkan in the press boasted that in its part in the Central Army Command on the T-64 this norm was fulfilled in 7 seconds.

This is called "heard the ring, but I don’t know where he is" ...
So, for the information of the T-64 in the TGV, and this is Czechoslovakia WASN’T.
In our KSizSO and BM, when firing from tank weapons, there are conditions that reduce the overall rating for firing the crew, one of them EXCEEDING the time of the first shot.
On the T-64B, T-80B and U it could be done in 4 seconds, there were some tricks to invest in this time. But on the T-72 it is almost impossible to do.

[Trevis]

How did the Indians break their T-90s? And I secretly hoped that the Chinese would be forced out. Yeah right now.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Trevis

How did the Indians break their T-90s?

This karma is such - if God gave hands to ass to scratch, then trying to do something else with them is simply pointless.

[sabakina]

On TV "Star" watched, everything was normal.

[Observer2014]

Russia won the "Tank Biathlon" at ARMI-2017

Hooray!!!! Watched completely! With great pleasure! Well done! Who is against ?!

[sabakina]

Quote: Observer2014

Russia won the "Tank Biathlon" at ARMI-2017

Hooray!!!! Watched completely! With great pleasure! Well done! Who is against?!

As usual, Baba Yaga ...

[Maz]

Our cool Chinese paid to the circle completely ahead, by 9 minutes !!! the difference and shot clearly. Cool tank t-72B3. He flew like a bird. Despite the fact that the Chinese have thrown off almost all the extra armor. Well done guys. Fairly passed.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Maz

the Chinese were given to the circle completely overtaken by 9 minutes

In fact, ours went around the Chinese for 16 minutes.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

In fact, ours went around the Chinese for 16 minutes.

"And the Guinean Sam Brooke walked around me.
And yesterday, everyone around said that Sam was a friend ...
Our Sam, they said, was Guinean, Brutus. "Something from the Utrez recalled.
The Chinese - do not sleep! We still have two slippers of rabid American cockroaches to slap.

[113262a]

Alas, no one will ever see a T-80 flying a biathlon! UVZ would smoke under the fence!

[Captain Pushkin]

From what. If Cyprus or South Korea want to participate, then there is a chance to see the T-80.

[Grits]

If they don’t make any decision about “dropping” the armor, then soon we will see “tank buggies” on the tank bipathlon - a tracked frame, a cannon without a turret and an engine behind with a tank.

[sabakina]

Quote: Gritsa

If they don’t make any decision about “dropping” the armor, then soon we will see “tank buggies” on the tank bipathlon - a tracked frame, a cannon without a turret and an engine behind with a tank.

Are you talking about SU-75?

[iliitchitch]

Quote: sabakina

Are you talking about SU-75?

At he is about the "Union", most likely. .
And what ? Normal suitcase, yes. These morons and such and such dumb.

[Simon]

Yes, hello our team of biathlete tankers! Thank you for the pleasure that I saw! Congratulations to our team for the first place!

[alekc75]

Well done, ours - you need to keep it this way and not shame

[Simon]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Well done! Gave a good mood! Congratulate everyone!!!
And the Chinese tank did not live up to the expectations of the Chinese military ...

Yeah! For this, Chinese engineers say that we licked the T-50 ... Not that ?!

[Captain Pushkin]

Licensed Chinese T-69 is the Soviet T-55.

[andr327]

Oh, our football players would give all the best! Well done tank! Congratulations to the aviators!

[Yuyuka]

Quote: andr327

Oh, our football players would give all the best!

To do this, they must be thrust into the tanks (preferably in the barrel) and even better Shoigu coach

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Yuyuka

and even better Shoigu coach

There’s a whole bunch of trainers from the FSB, and rightly so. A shoigu is also in the subject, is anyone against it? Shaytanov hrenachit - only to the Way. Search for another such head of the Ministry of Defense.

[DiKoff]

And why do they pay much more than tankers))

[Mountain shooter]

Looked. They carried out through one gate! All. And they drove famously, and they shot accurately. GOOD FELLOWS !!!
And the vaunted Chinese racing tank did not look. Neither too fast nor too formidable.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the vaunted Chinese racing tank did not look.

The Chinese showed accurate shooting, and they will definitely improve the lap times next year.
I would not underestimate them.

[Masya masya]

Hooray!!! Congratulations to our team !!!
In the middle of the steppe
At the neutral strip
Our tanks fall asleep
They lowered their noses to the bottom.

No frost and blizzard
Nothing takes them
He is a mechanic like a friend
Every day is bored, waiting.

No rain and slush
You rely on him
The tank is not just a piece of iron
Tank is a living creature.

He will cover the guys in battle
The infantry will be lucky with him
And though not important tailored
Though Lviv will bring.

From Donetsk to Zugres
From Sverdlovsk to Bakhmut
Our tanks are waiting for Odessa
Our tanks are everywhere
Waiting everywhere !!!
Kazakhstan! Congratulations! You are ours, Soviet !!!
A spectacular sight ...

[Observer2014]

Masya masya Here! Here! Marina, I said for a long time that it’s time to spend a tank biathlon in the winter! Stop playing giveaways!

[Masya masya]

Quote: Observer2014

, I have long said that it’s time to conduct a tank biathlon in the winter!

Sergei Like so?

"Partners" will peep, diapers will be frozen once!

[Observer2014]

Masya masya

Like so?

Ah, then ! I want to see the Indians and the Chinese at the time of the relay! From Africa, in a heated gym, let a hundred meters pass in front of the tank.
Only your photo correct I zhezh "Observer" after all

[vanavatny]

a good sight, at the same time I’m telling you as that biathlete ... if you shoot the pseudo-economists from the government in time, then we’ll see the armature in the main role

[Masya masya]

Quote: vanavate

I’m telling you as a biathlete ...

A joke of humor ...
"I do not understand how you can come second in biathlon if you have a gun!"

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Masya Masya

"I do not understand how you can come second in biathlon if you have a gun!"

According to such sophisticated (female!) Logic, biathlon will turn into "Survival Games".

[Masya masya]

Quote: stalkerwalker

According to such sophisticated (female!) Logic, biathlon will turn into "Survival Games".

Yes, it's not logic ... Anecdote ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Masya Masya

Yes, it's not logic ... Anecdote ...

I know .... your female "jokes" ....

[Masya masya]

Quote: stalkerwalker

I know .... your female "jokes" ....

thanks for the concept ...

[sabakina]

Masya, a joke about female logic, shortly. A woman is riding on a bus ...........- Comrades, he called me a female dog! If you do not know, write in a personal, I’ll tell you in full.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: vanavate

if in time to shoot pseudo-economists from the government

At the same time, you can save on targets for a coaxial machine gun ...

[mvg]

The finals were not watched, and in the semi-finals the Chinese tank aroused respect for both speed and shooting. And it weighs 10 more than T-72B3M. And he had no 3 misses in a row. And this is not their newest tank.
I would like to look at the Tip99A2 and the T-90MS. True, the first more than 500 pieces, and the second in one copy goes to exhibitions.
And I don’t understand where the target hit ratio of 0.9 comes from? As it is imperceptible at all. And shoot from a place. Not on the move.

[voyaka uh]

And at 1800 meters, if I'm not mistaken?

[mvg]

On the analogue of biathlon in NATO, like Canadians “knocked out” 100% of the targets, and there were 2500 meters there. New shot barrel, Optics, calculators, wind sensors, bending of the barrel, etc., fine weather. Why should smear?
The Americans boasted of hits from 4000 m, from the first shot (in Iraq), and this is in a combat situation. There is no reason not to believe them at all.
When tests of Almaty (shooting) were shown, the projectile deviated from the center of the target by 10-cm, although it was not 2500 m there, well, there were more km.

[poquello]

Quote: mvg

Americans boasted

they don’t come to us and they don’t let us in - that's all! nothing to talk about

[mvg]

The MSA in them is more interesting, as it has historically developed. We were 15 years late. And the gas turbine Abrashi will give odds to diesels. Yes, and they had the helm there, plus an automatic transmission. Extra skating rink - smooth ride. Not everything is so cloudless. They also know how to fight there. It’s not so easy that Leo and the Abrams are considered the best in the world, this is not only propaganda.
PS: T-64BV among Ukrainians is not much worse than T-72B3, but they took the penultimate place, and they were getting ready too. And they lost not the newest modification of Leo2A4 - also a 30 year old tank.
I just read the article about the SLA.

[poquello]

Quote: mvg

T-64BV in Ukrainians is not much worse than T-72B3

I don’t need about the Khokhlov clowns - they are not in our team, the rest I have said above, the head start of bourgeois tanks in the last conflicts has already looked - they burn perfectly

[113262a]

Everyone is on fire! This is not sarcasm!

[poquello]

Quote: 113262

Everyone is on fire! This is not sarcasm!

disgrace! on bourgeois advertising do not burn do not drown and destroy the enemy within a radius of 4 km

[dvina71]

Quote: mvg

I just read the article about the SLA.

No .. everything is clear .. about ADB ADS and Leo you can read in the advertising leaflets .., I wonder .. where did you calculate the REAL performance characteristics of the OMS installed on the T-72b3?
And for your information .. For the movement of the tank, the engine must give out torque, and we never use the maximum power anyway .. even the F1.KM ICE diesel engine racers are noticeably more than turbine. . In addition, the turbine has a two times higher flow rate and a strong decrease in power with increasing ambient temperature.
And the automatic transmission is good on TVDs like the Iraqi desert .. I’m just wondering .. Can Abr overcome the ford in the same way as 72ka does? And anyway .. what will the Abr transmission say after 12 laps on the Alabinsk training ground .., in pursuit of 72koy ..

[mvg]

There is Pine-U, as I understand it. It is unlikely that they outdid the T-80BV. The turbine accelerates faster, regarding gluttony - your information is very outdated. 1.2-1.3 from the gluttony of a diesel engine, they also brought it to GTD-1250. The turbine has more resources, eats everything in a row, and about the power from the temperature - no, I did not find it)) there were problems with air filters - they were solved.
Hydromechanical Allison is a serious contraption, all long-range America drives it. I see no reason for concern. In Iraq, the abrashki made a march of 200 km, everyone arrived on their own.
Broad - 2 m.
Specific power - 27.6 l / s / t. Ours, even taking into account 1130 l / s, has about 25 mares per ton.
According to the LMS, we are still buying the element base from the Chinese and the matrix frogs.
And there are problems with the bend sensors of the barrel ..
PS: There will be no whipping boy abrash

[dvina71]

Quote: mvg

Your information is very outdated. 1.2-1.3 from the gluttony of a diesel engine, they also brought it to GTD-1250

Wow .. like the laws of physics have changed .. yes? I looked at Klimov GTD -1250 specific consumption of 240g / hp. Consumption of a modern diesel engine is approx. 160gr.s. Thermal dependence of gas turbine engines has long been a known problem, recently in the states they calculated the losses of airlines from a possible average annual temperature increase of a couple of degrees.
As for GM Alisson .. Well, since I am engaged in cargo transportation, and by training an engineer is a mechanic .., all Allison have temperature sensors and the car does not go when the oil is very hot. Therefore, the whole long-distance drive to the State uses ordinary mechanics .. even without synchronizers .. Try to navigate the pass with 30 tons on board .., but I won’t go there in the automatic machine .. On the descent I have to slow down 1. with the engine. 2. hydraulic TK and, if necessary, help with classic brakes, but not zealously .. they are the last chance. Do you suggest that I get transferred to the 2-3km pass on a transmission that can shut off from overheating?
Problems with bend sensors .. as far as I understand, these are software problems, and such problems are solved as statistics accumulate. Judging by the firing in Alabino .. with accuracy neither the T-782b3 nor even the T-90 has, there are problems with the training of the crew.
PS .. I have never considered either Leo or Abr to be whipping boys, but it’s worth initializing them. And approach the dynamic capabilities of the tank with data from F6 ...
This is what I mean .. In general, you understand (this is not an attempt to insult) what does specific consumption and specific power mean? Well, what do these 27 hp? And what is the efficiency of a gas turbine engine? And what is a diesel engine? Which KM turbine develops, and which diesel?
I explain .. The specific power .. these 27l.s. per 1t mean that for the movement of one ton the turbine burns 27X249g, and the diesel 25X160g .. And that's it .. Digging further .. GTE efficiency is maximally achievable at about 40% and only at maximum speeds . Efficiency of a diesel engine .. at optimal speeds - up to 70% And now it turns out that the turbine burns more fuel, but warms the atmosphere. The diesel in the zone of maximum torque (this is noticeably 50% of the maximum speed) has two less thermal emissions. So that the actual consumption of a tank with a gas turbine engine is not 2 times more .. in difficult conditions .. intersection, mountains .. low speed .. it will be 3-5 times more.

[mvg]

The turbine efficiency is just about 60%, for the American AGT-1500 the figure is 62%, for a turbocharged diesel engine - 40-50%, and I remember about the diesel efficiency of 40% in the school curriculum. The efficiency of a turbine does not depend on the number of revolutions, but on the temperature of the gas. The link is the sea.
The range of the T-72 and Abrams does not differ, while the T-72 is declared with additional PTB (470 km)
Consumption is 202 g / l / s.ch for AGT-1500 and 162 g / l / s.ch for 6TD-2, only the capacities are different, the American is 1.5 times more powerful and weighs 2 times less .. And it changes in 1 hour from transmission. But not a day must be killed at the T-72.
27 mares per tonne is better than 25 or 19 or more (at 780 l / s), as this is the dynamics of the tank.
Maximum turbine efficiency at 70% power
I do not defend the gas turbine engine, since the Americans themselves were considering the option of 1800 horsepower diesels, not in vain because, but it also has its undeniable advantages.
..................
Regarding the crew’s training, even a monkey can be taught to shoot in a year, gun bend sensors are not software, it’s a temperature bend of a 5 meter trunk. And, if 3 consecutive times smear, this is the problem of the OMS, and not the crew. The Britons boast that from 3000 m, from the first shot. (not in one source digging).
If we take the classic T-72, which we have to fool, T-72B, T-72S, the LMS there is worse than on the T-64 and T-80. The best we have is Pine-U. Probably they put it on the new 72B3M, and that is not a fact.
PS: Regarding the elemental base - in Russia there are no capacities for the production of this. Elbrus is made in Taiwan, and its performance is similar to Intel’s budgetary atoms. We do not have either 22 or 14 micron technology. And we don’t do matrices, either France or Belarusians. And there is no optics like the German Zeiss either. This is true, not humiliation.

[dvina71]

Quote: mvg

The turbine efficiency is just about 60%, for the American AGT-1500 the figure is 62%, for a turbocharged diesel engine - 40-50%, and I remember about the diesel efficiency of 40% in the school curriculum. The turbine's efficiency does not depend on the number of revolutions, but on the gas temperature

All wrong. This is at the secondary level. Without explanation of how and why. I’m not going to give you a lecture here from the ICE theory course, but you are absolutely wrong.

Quote: mvg

If we take the classic T-72, which we have to fool, T-72B, T-72S, the LMS there is worse than on the T-64 and T-80. The best we have is Pine-U. Probably they put it on the new 72B3M, and that is not a fact.

The fact is that neither you nor I know how many tanks have been upgraded with the use of modern SLAs and performance characteristics of this SLA. It is useless to argue and argue on this subject. Level OBS.

Quote: mvg

about the element base - in Russia there is no capacity to produce this. Elbrus is made in Taiwan, and its performance is similar to Intel’s budgetary atoms.

Where does this come from? Have you ever seen the Elbrus processor in your eyes? Does the abbreviation ICST say anything to you?
And continue to compare the processor for the military, space and industrial production, with a budget household .. good luck.

[mvg]

// All wrong. This is at the secondary level. Without explanation of how and why. I’m not going to give you a lecture here from the ICE theory course, but you are absolutely wrong. //
Naryl in open sources, I do not think that something is wrong with the numbers. I can give links, but you will not read. But all that he brought up was nothing. He gave the Ukrainian unit as an example, but the numbers for the B-92 are the same.
// The fact is that neither you nor I know how many tanks have been modernized with the use of modern SLAs and performance characteristics of this SLA //
Compared the stated numbers, also on military sites. Since we now have an embargo, there is little updated SLA. A lot goes for export. We have only about 300 T-90 and T-90A.
// Is this even where? Have you ever seen the Elbrus processor in your eyes? Does the abbreviation ICST say anything to you? //
I held thousands of processors in my hands, all of which, probably, were produced. Both civil and industrial. Even those that cost like 2 apartments. If there is no technology, then they will not appear from the air. There is no matrix, so there are no processors, bridges, memory. There is only logic that is unconfirmed "in hardware", remains only on paper (in the computer). Elbrus - the last century. And military software does not stand up to criticism. Yes, and without its national OS.
PS: I also have an education, and not one. ICE know a little. I also know that the whole family of our tank diesel engines goes from B-2-T34 at 470 l / s (500 at maximum)

[113262a]

Did you serve on the t-80? Have you heard about PCA? Somehow everything is sad for you. And the economy is real, so in the conditions of work in the GSVG, on sand and tank roads, the mileage at full gas station is the same to the smallest detail! And the air filters we have are maintenance free! There is dust blowing, vibration cleaning of the turbine blades. All 1 TA on about 219 was not stupid people completed!

[dvina71]

Quote: mvg

According to the LMS, we are still buying the element base from the Chinese and the matrix frogs.

I will not argue the OPMS. We do not know the real performance characteristics of either Western or ours. We can only judge by the fact .. In fact, the T-72b3 falls quite normally, and the T-90 Indians .. actually laid shells almost in one to one ..
I’m the topic of the superiority of the western SUOs ... (they had ours until they integrated the thermal imagers into the guidance system), it reminds me of the ever-mentioned "roaring cows" .., references to whoever said that, where he came from, what was meant by these "cows", but all the less for some reason the states in the Atlantic built a system for detecting Soviet squares .. A very expensive system .. What for? If the cows roar ..

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: mvg

In Iraq, the abrashki made a march of 200 km, everyone arrived on their own.

In 1991, in Iraq, a march of 500 km of all the allied armies without stragglers passed only the Syrians on the T-62.

[mvg]

There was such a bike, even the figure of 1000 km was mentioned. ))) Stupid question: where did that go? And where? There are no such distances.
Do you really believe that German MTU-883 diesel engines, which the whole world buys, are less reliable than the V-55U from the old T-62A? I do not think that they were capitalized there every 3-4 years.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: mvg

Do you really believe that the German MTU-883 diesel engines that the whole world buys are less reliable than the V-55U

Can you tell me which tanks during the Gulf War of 1991 were "German MTU-883 diesel engines"?

[mvg]

Leo2 did not participate there (MTU), there were abrams, mk3, m60a3 and amkh30 challengers. Yes, it’s not even a matter of German diesels, but the fact that the USSR has made engines “extremely accurately” since the Second World War II. These are mainly licensed and unlicensed copies of Spanish, English and German engines.
At the heart of the creation of the B-2-34, and later it turned out to be the B-55 were such people as Mayer, Billing, Martens (the most Soviet surnames). I want to say that the English Condor, the French HS, the American AVDS are no worse, as they were made on better machines, with different tolerances.
PS: Engines are still a headache (import substitution)

[Grits]

They also know how to fight there.
It is better to serve on the Abrams, but it is better to fight on the T-72. So knowledgeable tank specialists say.

[dvina71]

Quote: mvg

At the heart of the creation of the B-2-34, and later from it turned out the B-55 were such people as Mayer, Billing, Martens

You somehow reduced the history of the creation of this engine .. I would start with a DB .. that was put on the BT-5 .. but then your harmonious theory of the non-Russian (non-Soviet) origin of the B-2 .. collapses.
You are probably not very familiar with the design of ICE .. Well, so I explain .. where does the development of the engine? From the search for a workable unit with similar or desired characteristics. So do ALL. Because .. how would it be easier to explain .. All processes in the engine can be described by formulas and presented in a graph .. except for .. part of the combustion cycle .. As statistics accumulate, the efficiency, KM and ICE power are constantly growing. And this is the only way to improve the process in the internal combustion engine. .. scientific poke method.
Only in the USSR in Baumanka in the 80s did they create an internal combustion engine calculation program .. guess where it was necessary to start? Enter the geometric data of the engine parts. The more you enter the more accurate the calculation. So .. using the competitor’s experience .. this is not the USSR know-how.

[andy.v.lee]

This bullshit is bullshit. It would be better if training fights were conducted, then it would be more interesting, maybe Western countries also took part. And so - like horse racing.
With SLA - problems - constant misses with "turtle movement", but what if shooting at speed? Will they not be hit at all?
Shooting from an anti-aircraft machine gun - will it also be in battle? Hindus from the tank did not climb.
In general - there is room to grow. In the meantime - just a "sight for housewives."
Although there is little pride.
It is much more interesting to learn about the lesions, especially regarding the Air Force, with details.

[kirgiz58]

If you demonstrate "training fights", you will not understand anything at all and then you will shout that it is "vomit". The tank biathlon demonstrates individual crew training and machine capabilities. Plus, everything is planned for the sake of "watchfulness" and the popularization of the military profession. In reality, the training process for tank crews is built somewhat differently, in which there are also "training battles."

[Settlement Oparyshev]

And I have the same opinion. Tactics are always more important than individual abilities. You can conduct oncoming fights, attacks on the flank, consider interesting tactical finds. Shoot with plastic or wooden shells. All fights will look great from copters.

[svp67]

Quote: p-k Oparyshev

Tactics are always superior to individual abilities.

Yes, it is VERY important, especially in terms of any finds ... Therefore, tactical techniques are practiced during combat training at the training grounds

Quote: p-k Oparyshev

Shoot plastic or wooden shells.

There are other, less costly methods, for which, in particular, a landfill in Mulino was created

[kirgiz58]

Quote: p-k Oparyshev

All fights will look great from copters.

From copters you will see only the "theatrical production" of the battle. In tactics, the most important surprise and secrecy, but they can’t be achieved with copters, so not a fight, but a theater with its director and not a gram of competition. Better go see figure skating or ballet.

[113262a]

And they shoot from the track when the speed is about 5 km. When the stabilizer is on, from 15 km along the intersection you’ll get horseradish, what’s going on in the tower !!!

[svp67]

Quote: andy.v.lee

With SLA - problems - constant misses with "turtle movement", but what if shooting at speed? Will they not be hit at all?

Have you ever fired from a tank or so, specialist of the World of Tanks?

Quote: andy.v.lee

Hindus from the tank did not climb.

So in general, then they have in their tanks an anti-aircraft installation of a CLOSED type, like T-80U

Quote: andy.v.lee

In general - there is room to grow.

Eat more Vitamin A

[72jora72]

It would be better if training fights were conducted, then it would be more interesting

Do you have any idea what training tank battle is ??

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: andy.v.lee

This bullshit is bullshit. It would be better to have training fights,

Precisely, complete nonsense. Whether it’s the case, team on team and shoot combat. For example, a team of couch experts against these useless biathletes. Would you like to participate in a team of experts?

[K-50]

HOORAY!!!!! Our won !!! Next year, it will be completely tough. The Chinese will “lick” their “cart”, will sort out mistakes in preparation and a new “massacre”. May the gods only in peaceful fields !!!
All the teams were great, they tried their best and gave all their strength.

[zakes]

Yes, and we do not let us down, we stuff our cars with new ones next year)

[APASUS]

I am extremely happy, but for me it would be better if we took first place in the production of these tanks !! Everything is like in a dream, we are again on the eve of war and we are again perestroika. We are in some kind of circle, but each circle destroys us as a nation , like a genotype, like a life right.?
Believe in captivity in Stalin .................

[_Jack_]

it’s written together the day before, and you’d worry less about what you can’t influence, it’s kind of silly, if you think a little

[Sailor]

Great news! I really expected that Belarusians would be a step higher.

[zakes]

I don’t understand, is it that on the barrel of a machine gun on the tower hangs, is it snowing, did the condensate freeze? This is at what speed you need to fly like summer in the yard and not in space?

[Igor K]

On the next biathlon, China's diesel engine of 2000 horses is being pushed.

[Igor K]

For a more complete reflection of the "fragments" of the battle, it is necessary to introduce into the competition the interaction between tanks, anti-tank calculations, the discipline of reconnaissance, opening the enemy’s location using laser technology for radiation and fixing the “hit”.

[Archon]

Where on the Internet to find full videos of other competitions besides tank biathlon?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Sith Lord

And the Chinese tank did not live up to the expectations of the Chinese military ...

And not only Chinese, and not only military ....... How many experts were waiting here not so much for the victory of Chinese technology, but for our technology to fail. With "hope" and "love" ........

[Bort radist]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

That's the big question for accuracy. It fell into the envelope at the ski biathlon, the target closed and then fled. And in the battle, getting "out of bounds" is a rebound or non-penetration of the armor. And this may end there - the enemy will not allow more shooting.

About the word - Do not forget the games in the title. I remember the boys played war games, there were also big problems with getting there, but the main thing is the spirit of competition. We guys and then cut through, if the “Germans” or “white” are weak, then play is not interesting.

[vfqjh]

I watched with pleasure, pleased the accuracy of our tank crews (23 of 24 targets were hit). The level of training is felt. Very happy for the guys. Congratulations on a decent VICTORY !!!

[Awaz]

I’m wondering, the tank on which the Russians participated was the same as everyone else or it was prepared like that. Simply, it immediately struck me that he was more powerful than chtoli, and began to break away from everyone from the first seconds.
Okay, the Chinese, these are the problems of their tank and probably the crew, but I still do not understand, the rest - the tanks pulled by lot, or what?

[dvina71]

All received tanks by lot. In addition to Belarus, China and India. They spoke on their own. India on t-90 ..

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

A lot is such a lot.

[zakes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN1OEpMPMTA

I don’t understand, is it that on the barrel of a machine gun on the tower hangs, is it snowing, did the condensate freeze? This is at what speed you need to fly like summer in the yard and not in space? So much more powerful))

[113262a]

A bag! So that the dirt does not fly! )))