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NATO ships will help to "clear" Estonia

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Today, a permanent NATO mine action group arrived in Tallinn. Informational portal Delphi reports that NATO troops are preparing for an operation to search for mines and other explosive devices in the territorial waters of Estonia. We are talking about the mines of the era of the Second World War. This is the official reason voiced by the NATO military command.

The Baltic portal cited Lieutenant Commander Peter Ivask, the representative of the Estonian Navy:
The arrival of the NATO naval unit and the destruction of explosive devices from the Second World War will make Estonia’s sea lanes safer for all of us.


NATO ships will help to "clear" Estonia


If the goal of the NATO mission is really to search for and disarm mines left from the Second World War, then in fact the Estonian Navy will completely discredit itself. It turns out that the Estonian "fleet"there is not enough money and professionalism to carry out even such an operation - to increase the safety of shipping. Or is Estonia finally turning into a NATO training ground - will the mines themselves be installed, and they themselves will neutralize? ..
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 12 August 2017 10: 19
    +2
    Estonia is no longer capable of anything without the owners, the complete degradation of the state.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 12 August 2017 10: 26
      +3
      I wonder who is more in Estonia now, NATO or Estonians? winked
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 12 August 2017 10: 28
        +6
        Our submarines will search and mine the coast .. The bastards of our landing are afraid!
        Quote: siberalt
        I wonder who is more in Estonia now, NATO or Estonians?

        There, in my opinion, some of us remained, the rest were dumped in Europe ..
        1. cniza
          cniza 12 August 2017 12: 13
          +2
          Quote: siberalt
          I wonder who is more in Estonia now, NATO or Estonians? winked


          It seems that the sick are in full swing ... lol
        2. MAD_SERGANT
          MAD_SERGANT 12 August 2017 14: 26
          +1
          Why sea landing ?! A parade march is just 212 from the border .... Or they just sit in the IL-76 airport in Tallinn and the Airborne Forces will take control of the city
        3. The comment was deleted.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2017 10: 36
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        I wonder who is more in Estonia now, NATO or Estonians? winked

        Along the way, this is already indifferent. One warhead is enough, the main thing is not to go too far with power.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 12 August 2017 10: 41
          +1
          But does this matter to Estonian girls? Something they do not protest. laughing
          1. cniza
            cniza 12 August 2017 12: 14
            +4
            Quote: siberalt
            But does this matter to Estonian girls? Something they do not protest. laughing


            You really want to, until it comes to ...
        2. MAD_SERGANT
          MAD_SERGANT 12 August 2017 14: 28
          +1
          You, unfortunately, are mistaken about warheads. The logic is simple, why spoil the fence, if it stinks as well, and it will also be radioactive, by itself it will blow .....
      3. Pirogov
        Pirogov 12 August 2017 10: 43
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        I wonder who is more in Estonia now, NATO or Estonians?

        I will give half, a fourth of the Russians, the rest are Chukhons ............
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 11: 00
          +2
          Quote: Pirogov
          I will give half, a fourth of the Russians, the rest are Chukhons ............

          Your awareness is somehow strange ..... recourse
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 12 August 2017 11: 03
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Your awareness is kind of weird ...

            True, she is not everyone likes to see and you are not happy. .................. Any other opinion please voice?
      4. MAD_SERGANT
        MAD_SERGANT 12 August 2017 14: 25
        0
        Soon there will be a majority of Russians, because the “titular nation” is dumping from its homeland at an awesome pace. Already even among Estonians there is a joke that soon three big cities and a large national park will appear in Estonia!
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 12 August 2017 18: 04
          0
          Wow. We have two small cities in Adygea and a large nature reserve. Is Estonia turning into Adygea?
      5. Drentskevdodevitskevich
        Drentskevdodevitskevich 13 August 2017 19: 39
        0
        For what purpose is such interest?
    2. svp67
      svp67 12 August 2017 10: 36
      +7
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Estonia is no longer capable of anything without the owners, the complete degradation of the state.

      And you seriously believed that there would be "mine clearance". But it seems to me that NATO experts, on the contrary, will study the possibilities of installing minefields there, for the blockade of our Baltic Fleet ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 11: 07
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Estonia is no longer capable of anything without the owners, the complete degradation of the state.

        And you seriously believed that there would be "mine clearance". But it seems to me that NATO experts, on the contrary, will study the possibilities of installing minefields there, for the blockade of our Baltic Fleet ...

        Believe me, it’s not difficult to expand the impassable line from Tallinn to Helsinki. In 1942-43. the Germans created two lines of PLO here.
        A lot will depend on the position of Finland.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 12 August 2017 12: 27
          +2
          That’s what Kolchak did.
      2. poquello
        poquello 12 August 2017 12: 13
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Estonia is no longer capable of anything without the owners, the complete degradation of the state.

        And you seriously believed that there would be "mine clearance". But it seems to me that NATO experts, on the contrary, will study the possibilities of installing minefields there, for the blockade of our Baltic Fleet ...

        Yes, don’t go to the fortuneteller, take a signal map and prepare the water area for the database, in general, the plans for id_i_o_t_o_v are really idiotic, and you need to have your own plan for taking control of the Baltic states
    3. Doublet
      Doublet 12 August 2017 10: 43
      0
      Her (Estonia) and all the Baltic states, it is not necessary to mine, but mine. After all, the Russians are coming ..
    4. Maz
      Maz 12 August 2017 12: 46
      +1
      How did he intimidate Dima from the Don, they’ve already cleared me, they put a lot
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 August 2017 22: 30
        0
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Estonia is no longer capable of anything without the owners, the complete degradation of the state.

        And what were the small states of V. Europe capable of when we kept them in the valiant Warsaw Treaty? An ordinary working moment of military cooperation within the bloc.
        Do you remember the parable about the broom? Well, with subtle twigs they live no worse and no better than when they were in the alliance or composition of a powerful USSR.
        And they do not mine, but mine ...
  2. sabakina
    sabakina 12 August 2017 10: 32
    +3
    on the search for mines and other explosive devices in the territorial waters of Estonia. We are talking about mines of the era of World War II.

    Interestingly, they really take us for morons?
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 August 2017 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: sabakina
      Interestingly, they really take us for morons?

      It seems like that. I have long been saying that it’s time for us to strengthen measures to combat the “Somali pirates”. In particular, in the Baltic Sea, it is very careful to protect the possible fairways for the passage of our ships in a special period.
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 12 August 2017 10: 45
        +2
        What are the other possible fairways in the Baltic Sea? This puddle has long been studied. The NATO team on the spot determines missile attacks and possibly minefields if the fleet partially survives.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 10: 56
      +6
      Quote: sabakina
      on the search for mines and other explosive devices in the territorial waters of Estonia. We are talking about mines of the era of World War II.
      Interestingly, they really take us for morons?

      Strange as it may seem, many of the Baltic Sea’s navigational charts still indicate “former landmine hazardous areas”. In the period from 1941 to 1944, both Germans and we set mines. The Baltic was a “broth with dumplings.” At the end of the war, trawling was carried out and repeated. But the emphasis was on the main fairways and the recommended routes for sailing ships.
      And how many sunken transports rest at the bottom of the Baltic? And who knows the filling of their holds?
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 12 August 2017 12: 31
        +1
        Exactly! EPRON, damn it! And then we stopped ....
    3. Walanin
      Walanin 12 August 2017 13: 45
      0
      Quote: sabakina
      Interestingly, they really take us for morons?

      in fact. They put us on a par with Iran and the DPRK.
  3. corporal
    corporal 12 August 2017 10: 38
    +3
    Strange news. It turns out that the USSR laid on
    destruction of explosive devices of times of the second world war

    to make, then still Soviet,
    Estonian sea lanes are safer for all of us.

    And this despite the fact that the Baltic states were considered the "showcase" of the Soviet Union.
    what request
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 12 August 2017 10: 46
      +3
      Nothing strange. They will mine the Baltic.
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 12 August 2017 12: 43
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        Nothing strange. They will mine the Baltic.

        Everyone is mining, possibly with nuclear weapons ... Then provocation and undermining, and then prove it (as with the Malaysian Boeing ..)
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 12 August 2017 18: 09
      0
      And in the windows, everything quickly goes bad.
  4. Compass
    Compass 12 August 2017 10: 45
    +4
    In fact, such events are held annually, at one time the Russian Navy also took part in them. In Latvia, if I’m not mistaken, Sweden’s mine-fighting ships are permanently installed. Maybe they are villains, but when fishermen on WWII mines are blown up, it’s unpleasant for me, even if they are not our fishermen. And yes, intelligence is certainly underway, it would be foolish not to combine ..
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 August 2017 10: 50
    0
    There are only 1300000 Estonians, of whom XNUMX are Russian-speaking. During the years of "Independence" the population decreased by a third! With this pace of depopulation, the country will become depopulated soon enough.
  6. Novus
    Novus 12 August 2017 11: 05
    0
    NATO ships will help to "clear" Estonia

    Well done NATO members, mines and other explosive devices pose a threat.
  7. K-50
    K-50 12 August 2017 11: 13
    +1
    NATO ships will help to "clear" Estonia

    In my opinion, it’s cheaper to build treatment facilities, and not just dump feces into the sea. yes
    The arrival of the NATO naval unit and the destruction of explosive devices from the Second World War will make Estonia’s sea lanes safer for all of us.

    Almost everything has already been identified and caught, and to make it completely safe for you, stay at home and do not crawl in other places. yes laughing
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 12 August 2017 11: 55
    +3
    NATO every year the Finns trawl mines. It must be said that the mine danger in the Baltic still remains. Many places have not been fully cleared until now. So this is just the case when such NATO actions can be welcomed .... No one wants to die from a rusty horned death ....
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 12 August 2017 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      NATO every year the Finns trawl mines. It must be said that the mine danger in the Baltic still remains.

      Uncle Joe's Bedtime Stories? Nude nude ...
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 12 August 2017 12: 40
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      So this is just the case when such NATO actions can be welcomed .... No one wants to die from a rusty horned death ....

      Well, yes, suddenly woke up and mines near the borders of Russia began to search ...)))
      I remember we in Cuba also engaged in research activities! Can you repeat, Cuba has long craved Russian "weather reports" .. hehe I Nicaragua with Venezuela, etc.

      DPRK is working on this too ..
  9. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
    Alexander Abdrakhmanov 12 August 2017 12: 34
    0
    There was no war with Russia, but they managed to mine themselves there that they could not cope with such a task. From the Estonians went utter nonsense, then the fences are being built against Russia, then they begin to mine, it is necessary to mine the turnover. They probably have changed the climate, that’s fooling around.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 12 August 2017 18: 11
      0
      And by the way, how’s the fence? Built? Or like the Kahlov?
  10. Kerensky
    Kerensky 12 August 2017 12: 40
    +1
    Well, let's put a hedgehog to the Christmas tree. Baltic and NATO. It is clear that it’s a good thing to catch mines from the time of the Great Patriotic War, but they didn’t stop at that .... Most likely, the aesthetes sniffed something, but they themselves couldn’t lift it. They would have contacted us before, but now we are not found! I foresee: this is an interesting cargo ship that belonged to the USSR.
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 12 August 2017 12: 52
      0
      Quote: Kerensky
      Well, let's put a hedgehog to the Christmas tree. Baltic and NATO. It is clear that it’s a good thing to catch mines from the time of the Great Patriotic War, but they didn’t stop at that .... Most likely, the aesthetes sniffed something, but they themselves couldn’t lift it. They would have contacted us before, but now we are not found! I foresee: this is an interesting cargo ship that belonged to the USSR.

      The teachings we have with Belarus ... That's all! They will observe and install mines .. AND ALL!
  11. RomanS
    RomanS 12 August 2017 13: 04
    +1
    This is bad ... It is a dubious pleasure to build a gas pipeline under the "supervision" of NATO warships. Plus the potential danger of mining the waters at the exit from the Gulf of Finland. In the event of a trouble, it is easy to leave Europe without gas, and do whatever you want with it.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 12 August 2017 14: 17
      +1
      We also looked at this option. Ukraine is extremely interested in disrupting the gas pipeline under the bottom. And the guys there were sickly .... 313 ... hi
  12. NKT
    NKT 12 August 2017 15: 37
    0
    - What is the Black Sea? Pelvis.
    What is the Baltic Sea? The bottle, and the cork is not ours.
    Here is the sea, here is the window!
    There should be a Big Fleet here.
    From here we can take for life, if necessary, England and America.
    Joseph Stalin
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 12 August 2017 16: 30
      +2
      We will threaten the hotel with the Swede! (WITH)
  13. estixnumx
    estixnumx 13 August 2017 20: 45
    0
    A section of the Gulf of Bothnia off the coast of Estonia was actively mined during the First and Second World War from both the USSR, Finov and Nemtsov. There are so many memoirs on this subject who are interested in the sea knows. In the Baltic, after each storm, sea mines are carried ashore. The Baltic crews of minesweepers have always been the most trained in the Soviet Navy. The most difficult mine banks were off the coast of Estonia to promote the actions of the Baltic Fleet submarines. This has been written more than once for unbelievers and amateurs to put a few references.
    USSR Submarine Actions 41-44
    https://topwar.ru/21578-pod-volnami-baltiki.html
    The First World Monzudic Ahepilag (Saremaa Island, etc.)
    https://topwar.ru/21578-pod-volnami-baltiki.html
    Tsushima Forums section Minefields in the Gulf of Finland.
    http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=41301
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    And the German minefields map
    So there still our grandchildren will be ......
    Both NATO and the Russians are preoccupied with the greatest threat posed by anchor mines, and magnetic mines have been removed. And the anchors that did not break, fell to the bottom due to corrosion of the shells, they would tear or not, nobody has a clue ....