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The Chinese are leaving the Russian Far East

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The Chinese are leaving the Russian Far EastExtremely curious data appeared on the change in the structure of migration to the Russian Far East. Fears about the "settlement of the Far East by the Chinese" are increasingly becoming a myth - and this is due to the rapid enrichment of the PRC. Russians who are leaving the region are being replaced by completely different foreigners from much poorer countries.


Secretary of the Security Council Nikolay Patrushev, speaking at a meeting on national security issues in the Far Eastern District in Yakutsk, said that this year the number of migrants arriving in the district increased by 15%. In general, it amounted to 400 thousand foreigners.

This figure is especially evident against the background of the mass departure from the region of the actual citizens of Russia. “Over the past 20 years, the outflow of the indigenous population of the Far East amounted to almost 2 million people. This is almost 20% of the population of the macroregion, ”Patrushev quotes the portal of the Yakutia authorities.

Who exactly is arriving in the Far East instead of leaving Russians? One of the most common myths says that the Chinese actively inhabit these territories. But the facts are completely different.
“These are not Chinese, but, most likely, Central Asian migrants,” Alexander Gabuev, head of the Russia in the Asia-Pacific program at the Carnegie Moscow Center, told the VIEW newspaper. The economic situation in Central Asia has recently deteriorated, and therefore the migration flow from there to Russia is growing.

In general, the migration pattern in the Far East has changed: migration from neighboring China has been replaced by migration from distant Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. According to Gabuev, migrant workers from Central Asia took the first place in the Far East, followed by China, and then the DPRK. The expert says that with the naked eye it can be seen that there are more visitors from Central Asia in the region, although there were practically no such faces before, unlike, say, Moscow and St. Petersburg. “According to indirect data, there is a large influx from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan,” said the source. “Maybe it is a question of the redistribution of migration flows within Russia. Now he is going there more, and not to Moscow and St. Petersburg, ”he added.

But the number of Chinese in the Far East is declining, said Gabuev. He cites the economic crisis in Russia and the fall in the ruble exchange rate as the main reason. In addition, according to him, “structural aging” is taking place in China: the working-age population is declining, and gradually jobs in their own country become much more attractive than what can be found in Russia.

But the number of North Korean migrants is kept at about the same level, emphasizes Gabuev. At the same time, the sanctions announced by the UN Security Council on Saturday may lead to a halt of this flow, since it has forbidden to hire new guest workers from the DPRK. However, according to the interlocutor, it is not clear how they will be implemented. Gabuev noted that the migrants from the DPRK are in the same niche as from Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. “This is a cheap, disciplined workforce that local private owners can hire and which they can apply for state-owned construction,” he said. The Chinese are still more involved in projects with Chinese capital, in agriculture, at construction sites, and partly in trade, the expert said.

The influx of migrants from China is declining, agrees with Gabuev and the leading researcher at the Center for Korean Studies at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences Kim En Un.

“Inside China, labor demand is growing rapidly. 10 years ago, China’s GDP was 700 billion dollars, and now it is around 13 trillion dollars. To produce such a quantity of products, we need workers. A lot of people who used to look for work outside of China find it inside the country, ”said Kim Yong Un to the VIEW newspaper.
North-east of China, which is just bordering the Far Eastern District of Russia, was previously considered problematic, economic development was lagging behind, but the situation is changing, Kim En Un pointed out. Everything goes to the fact that after 15 years there, on the contrary, there will be a serious shortage of labor, the expert believes.

The expert did not rule out that some illegal immigrants come to the Far East, even from Vietnam. “The population there is already more than 80 million, there are not enough jobs for them. Many people prefer to go abroad, ”said Kim. According to him, many Vietnamese go to Russia by the old memory, since connections from the Soviet times have been preserved.

However, citizens of the PRC, the DPRK or Vietnam “do not constitute a breeding ground for terrorism,” the source stressed, noting that this problem most likely concerns immigrants from Muslim countries. So Kim commented on Patrushev’s thesis that illegal migration, which the authorities haven’t succeeded in reducing, “still threatens public security, is a breeding ground for terrorism, cross-border crime, criminalizes economic relations,” the Security Council secretary said, noting as an example more and more frequent cases of use of forged documents by migrants, fictitious registrations.

Earlier, the Commissioner for Human Rights in Russia, Tatyana Moskalkova, noted that illegal labor migration creates a serious tension in society. Prosecutor General Yury Chaika said earlier that the centers for the maintenance of illegal migrants were overcrowded due to the underfunding of the deportations. Recall that at the end of last year, RBC reported that the increase in migrants, according to official data, returned to the “pre-crisis” level of 2012 – 2013. By the beginning of this year, legally, there were more than 10 million foreigners in Russia, of whom one out of every four indicated his goal of being a job.

“In the Far East, if we take the federal district, 6,2 million people live. How many migrants there are on the “permanent” is a big question, but 400 thousand is not a figure that should cause some kind of excitement

- believes Gabuev. “I don’t think this is any kind of danger at all.” The growth of illegal migration, the source stressed, is a question for the migration and border guards. However, in his opinion, this translates more into taxes not received by the budget from migrants working in the shadow sector than with some kind of demographic dominance of foreigners.

As for the outflow of the Russian-speaking population from the Far East, this is a structural problem, to which migrants are only indirectly related. “There is simply a structure of the economy such that few high-paying jobs, wherever a Russian person would consider it unreasonable to go,” said Gabuev. “Russians in Vladivostok do not sweep the streets and do not put roads, but at the same time many people complain about the absence of any work,” the interviewee concluded.
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  1. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 14 August 2017 06: 23
    +33
    The trouble with Russia is not that migrants come to us, but that our people, Russians, are leaving the Far East, and not only the Far East, but also Transbaikalia, Siberia.
    This is the strategic miscalculation of the top leadership of Russia, although perhaps there is no miscalculation - they all do not care if this issue has not been resolved for decades.
    It is impossible to consider the “Far Eastern hectare” or the creation of the D-East University on Russky Island, or something like that, serious decisions.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 August 2017 10: 32
      +6
      And people should not freeze their asses in the naked taiga. Neither roads, nor incomes, and prices are many times higher than the land prices. Hell, if you think about it, it’s more profitable to settle all the inhabitants of the small villages there into millionaire cities. Small and regional aviation are not needed. And it’s absolutely ideal - the entire population of Russia should be settled in the European part, where at least the climate and infrastructure. And I dream in the most climatically favorable part of Russia to build an Ultra-city for 160 million people, thereby bringing urbanization to perfection. The village is out of date. People should not live in darkness and stench, from morning to night sticking in the garden. I recognize only the urban way of life worthy of a modern person.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 14 August 2017 10: 53
        +17
        Quote: Basarev
        The village is out of date. People should not live in darkness and stench, from morning to night sticking in the garden. I recognize only the urban way of life worthy of a modern person.

        On the contrary, I am observing a trend right now. All successes are current in agriculture, mainly from urban ones, and investments too. The attractiveness of the village, and rural lifestyle - is growing. Own, beautiful house, with maybe not a big but well-kept plot, blooming garden, near a picturesque lake or river - much more interesting than the urban jungle, 18-story anthills, always clogged, endearing roads ...
        1. Archon
          Archon 14 August 2017 12: 07
          +2
          Now the processing of giant areas requires a minimum of people. And harvesting is seasonal.
          1. Archon
            Archon 14 August 2017 16: 12
            +2
            Russians go to Korea to work in the fields.
            https://www.farpost.ru/vladivostok/job/foreign_jo
            b/

            Here is an example from an ad
            . Good Arbayt-pay daily-4100 rubles per day! Meals for free, Housing-3500 rubles per month.
            !!! URGENTLY AT GOOD FACTORIES (Anson) - Furniture Assembly (school desks) - AND FRAME FACTORY, glass cutting - 4500 rubles per day. Meals are free, Housing in apartments by 3 people-3500 rubles per month Restriction of PLACES. There is an opportunity to stay for a long period! Payment 15
            @@ -CLEANING OF MOTELS -WOMEN -from 75 000 rubles per month! Food and Housing Free!
            @@ - WOMEN WORK ON THE KITCHEN (thin) - FROM 2800 RUB. DAY. (Payment every 15 days).
            @@ -CLEANING of the construction site- (WOMAN) - from 75 000 rubles per month. Everything is free!
            @@ - PIZZERIAS-guys girls-payment from 80 000 rubles per month! Everything is free!
            @@ - Beautiful Girls work in KARAOKE clubs - salary 150 000 rub! WITHOUT INTIMA!
            1. Guaranteed ARBYT in XINAN. The owner is the employer himself and the work will ALWAYS be! Food and Housing for free! Payment weekly 4000 RUB per day! There are processing from 500 rub. at one o'clock!
            2. Bulldozirists and drivers of construction equipment, salary from 150 000 rubles per month Food and housing Free!
            3. Full-cycle field work For couples food and lodging is free (housing is SEPARATE for couples!) - pay salary WOMAN from 80 000 rub. HUSBAND-100 000 rub. day!!
            1. Alf
              Alf 14 August 2017 21: 43
              +2
              Quote: Archon
              Russians go to Korea to work in the fields.

              I DO NOT BELIEVE ! You can promise a lot, the paper will endure everything. But what will really be there, you will find out on the spot.
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 15 August 2017 10: 05
                +6
                Even when the euro was worth 40 rubles and at work where I work hard, they paid 40-50-60 thousand rubles, but for this it was necessary to strain, the young boys, tired of this "exploitation", rushed like something like this. They promised 100 thousand a month with lunches and cheap accommodation. As a result: 100 thousand, if you work for 12 hours on Saturday, do not dine in their canteen and live in wooden-steel sheds for 10 people in bestial conditions. Moreover, going beyond such a zone is not easy. But that is not all. The fines are simply disastrous, for anything you can’t dispute anything. Well, it was necessary to work hard so that the boys just initially worked on the verge of loss of consciousness. Then they got involved, but as soon as the initial contract was over, they spat and left. Banal slavery turned out.
                So let them knock down))))
            2. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 11: 50
              0
              Yeah, just get ready to work there like slaves don't work. You will be there analogues of Gaster, passports will be taken away and you will plow for food ...)))) Well, women know why they invite there ...
      2. dauria
        dauria 14 August 2017 12: 10
        +16
        And I dream in the most climatically favorable part of Russia to build an Ultra-city for 160 million people


        This already exists, is called Moscow. laughing Well, this is such a viper where as many as 10% of the population live !!!! due to the sale of the rest of Russia. I wonder how many years will be enough?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 14 August 2017 15: 10
          +1
          due to the sale of the rest of Russia.


          and how many have already sold? in percents?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 14 August 2017 18: 52
            +5
            The Chinese are leaving the Russian Far East
            gee ... yes they can’t survive from the Urals ... there are poisonous greenhouses around .. shops too ... poisonous ...
            . Stroybatzapasa
            I have a suspicion that if there are only 400 thousand migrants in the Far East, then in the Sverdlovsk Region there are more of them than in the whole Far East. - confirm Ivan ... drinks
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 14 August 2017 18: 58
        +4
        Quote: Basarev
        and. And I dream in the most climatically favorable part of Russia to build an Ultra-city for 160 million people, thereby bringing urbanization to perfection.

        genius! so that with one blow, fuck to solve the issue .... GOOD FELLOW! wassat
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 20: 17
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          genius! so that with one blow, fuck to solve the issue .... GOOD FELLOW!

          And the blow is not needed. Near Moscow, for example, is a huge underground sea. The authorities prefer to keep silent about this fact. Moscow runs the risk of failing in Tartarara. Personally, I am for one-story Russia. Was recently in the Moscow metro. It feels like everyone is walking on each other’s heads. Anthill. On the roads - the same thing. By the way, the Moscow region is not able to provide Moscow with oxygen. Cover it with a kumpol, and that's all, several million at once will not.
          1. CorvusCoraks
            CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 11: 52
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Personally, I am for one-story Russia. Was recently in the Moscow metro. It feels like everyone is walking on each other’s heads. Anthill. On the roads - the same thing.

            The hive city ...
      4. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 15 August 2017 06: 27
        +4
        And people should not freeze their asses in the naked taiga. Neither roads, nor incomes, and prices are many times higher than the land prices. - Basarev

        Write nonsense. For centuries, people have mastered Siberia, Transbaikalia, the Far East, built cities and villages, small villages and farms, lived as a community, because they couldn’t master big business alone, had their own traditions, built collective farms and state farms, and worked collectively.
        And now, this misfortune happened to you, ghouls destroyed the USSR, Soviet local authorities, the traditional way of life, collective farms and state farms, factories and factories, the time has come that there is nowhere to put your hands in traditional places of residence, nothing to live on. Therefore, people abandon their homes and leave for Ultragrad.
        And this is happening not only in the Far East, Siberia, Transbaikalia, the same phenomena in the Urals, the European part of Russia - everyone is striving for "Ultra Grad" - Moscow, because the current government there has concentrated all cash flows and benefits, leaving the regions with nothing, even without their own funds that they earn from the remaining industries.
        Is this government policy correct for the powerful oligarchs-capitalists who seized power? No, the wrong non-state one, the entire population of the country cannot concentrate in one “Moscow”, leaving all of Russia deserted, leaving it to visiting migrants.
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 11: 53
          0
          Quote: vladimirZ
          No, the wrong non-state one, the entire population of the country cannot concentrate in one “Moscow”, leaving all of Russia deserted, leaving it to visiting migrants.

          In other Rome, they somehow tried to throw everything dirty, unfavorable onto barbarian tribes, slaves, etc., which then was known to everyone and where is that Rome now ...
    2. yahont
      yahont 15 August 2017 00: 33
      +4
      He returned from an ethnographic expedition of one of the Samara region two days, noticed the following - there are villages that exist on maps, in particular of a car atlas, but in fact they no longer exist, one or two houses and that’s all ... also families are starting to settle in abandoned villages Tajiks, and the Samara region is not the Far East.
  2. Shurale
    Shurale 14 August 2017 06: 37
    +12
    Lies, the Chinese will never leave the Far East ...
    1. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 14 August 2017 07: 28
      +12
      The myth is that the Chinese are leaving the Far East.
      The Great Migration: The Chinese walk on the ice of Lake Baikal, risking their lives
      They bought land and built hotels. Tourists from China will only stay at Olkhon in Chinese hotels and will only be served by Chinese staff, including drivers and guides.
      http://www.infpol.ru/news/society/123573-velikoe-
      pereselenie-kitaytsy-idut-peshkom-po-ldu-baykala-
      riskuya-zhiznyu /
    2. seos
      seos 14 August 2017 08: 45
      +3
      No need to drive the Chinese - these are excellent and not at all conflicting people, they do not deliver discomfort to residents of the Far East unlike people from Central Asia or the Caucasus ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 14 August 2017 21: 47
        +6
        Quote: seos
        No need to drive the Chinese - these are excellent and not at all conflicting people, they do not deliver discomfort to residents of the Far East unlike people from Central Asia or the Caucasus ...

        You will say it in 10-20 years, when the Chinese in the Far East will dominate in numbers. And then they can absolutely legally demand the separation of the Far East from Russia. A precedent is Crimea. "We are the main people in the Far East and we want to return to their homeland in China. But with the land." How much blood will be shed then, ours, not Chinese, the Chinese do not e ... excite me, it’s scary to think.
      2. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 11: 56
        +1
        It’s just not their majority yet. Wait, they’ll still ask for autonomy, and they’ll ask you out of it, if the Chinese don’t fix it ...
        Even with the alliance, they had already plowed into our territories before and more than once in the face received for it. With the union, in general, three thousand three at a time lost, if not more.
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 14 August 2017 11: 14
      +2
      "The Chinese leave the Russian Far East"
      If they don’t leave, they’ll take them home in one night. This has already happened ... Hung Xin .... ((“Hong Xing” (“Red Star”).) laughing
      http://rusplt.ru/society/primorie-11833.html
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 14 August 2017 07: 09
    +14
    400 thousand? It is doubtful. I have a suspicion that if there are only 400 of thousands of migrants in the Far East, then in the Sverdlovsk Region there are more of them than in the whole Far East. laughing
    Are the Russians leaving? Strange, why would it? Do they really want work and some kind of infrastructure?
    Here the authorities need to think. By the way, as it turns out, migrants are harmful to the local population, as they dump on the labor market and, in fact, spit on the laws of the Russian Federation
    1. seos
      seos 14 August 2017 08: 48
      +2
      Nobody dumps .... they have their own working niche, and everything is normal with salaries and work in the Far East. But I recommend to the people to dump from there as soon as possible.
      By the way, the paradox is that people are falling, and real estate prices are rising when they are declining in more prosperous regions ...
  4. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 August 2017 07: 28
    +27
    Poverty salaries in the labor and production sectors of the Russian economy are the reason for everything. Even the Chinese already have higher incomes in China than in Russia since the purchasing power of Russians is now below the baseboard, and in China this purchasing power is constantly growing due to rising wages.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 14 August 2017 15: 12
      +2
      Poverty salaries in the labor and production sectors of the Russian economy are the reason for everything. Even the Chinese already have higher incomes in China than in Russia since the purchasing power of Russians is now below the baseboard, and in China this purchasing power is constantly growing due to rising wages.


      it’s a pity that you write and criticize from the sofa, and you do not come up with laws with your bright head. You know how to fix it, huh?)
      1. Alf
        Alf 14 August 2017 21: 49
        +5
        Quote: c-Petrov
        Poverty salaries in the labor and production sectors of the Russian economy are the reason for everything. Even the Chinese already have higher incomes in China than in Russia since the purchasing power of Russians is now below the baseboard, and in China this purchasing power is constantly growing due to rising wages.


        it’s a pity that you write and criticize from the sofa, and you do not come up with laws with your bright head. You know how to fix it, huh?)

        I know. To do this, you just need to change the population of the Kremlin and return socialism.
        1. Roman 11
          Roman 11 16 August 2017 01: 15
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          I know. To do this, you just need to change the population of the Kremlin and return socialism.

          Sit down, you deuce sad

          About the Kremlin: who shouted Crimea OUR 3 years ago?

          Supported?

          New ones will come (who’s strange? Bulk Khodorkovsky, Udaltsov, Zyuganov .... the list is large) what will happen? Correctly redistribution ...... and licking Americans. Do they need the interests of people and territory?

          By the way, on point 2, about sociolism, you can continue from the territories - atom production was organized in Siberia: Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, you can add Chelyabinsk. Well, a very effective organization of the nuclear industry! Not in remote and sparsely populated areas, but in large centers with relatively clean ecology.

          And there is nothing to stutter about the economy, Kosygin and Voznesensky mastered the planned one, besides Kosygin shied away towards the market, until they found Samatlor. Here it’s worth noting that the planned structure is semi-mobilization, i.e. not efficient in the allocation of resources, because the situation is changing. Even the geniuses of the planners are powerless .... there, in the 70s, scientists tried to transfer the plan to an automated control system for an automated system, but how computers can know the needs of the market, + accurately calculate the raw materials (how much will be spent, how much will be of low quality, etc. ), influences of tastes, moral aging, etc. And most importantly, how can they calculate the exact volume output? Nobody knows this, do not even try to conjure. They will print one series, and a quarter will be sent to the scrap ....... no artificial intellects built into the machines are capable of planning consumption.

          What happened during the years of industrialization was a massive release of goods, and 1. with it, as you know, the quality drops 2. overflow of resources (erosion of the economy) we bring it to an extraordinary path ..... - well, that's about how now China, which has moved into phase of intensive depletion, because the ceiling will quickly reach, which simply leads to overpopulation and suffocation from a decrease in GNP, in addition, they have a weak domestic market, and goods are mainly exported. Hence the conclusion that developed economies almost all reached the top ..... and then everything, we need new markets and resources, otherwise a recession.

          So all your dreams of socialism are today's Cuba and North Korea, if all the elements of a planned economy are still there, but their population, by the way, is very small, it seems not very picky - a loaf of bread a day, a film about the leader and work, roughly speaking. .... that's all socialism!

          Of course, we had a different one and here I agree with you, it was like in paradise ..... but again thanks to the genius Kosygin and his magic wand to Samotlor and other resources sold to despicable bourgeoisie, and when the Stalinist genius rested, they increased wheat from Of Canada.

          Do not try to think about socialism, because Zyuganov’s and the Udaltsov’s talkers didn’t even talk about the centralized economy ..... Ryzhkov and Ligachev, Yakovlev and others, who lived with her, failed, and you say. hi
        2. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 12: 00
          0
          Quote: Alf
          I know. To do this, you just need to change the population of the Kremlin and return socialism.

          Ahahahahah, that's just this population comes from socialism, to change the flea?
    2. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 11: 59
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Even the Chinese already have higher incomes in China than in Russia since the purchasing power of Russians is now below the baseboard, and in China this purchasing power is constantly growing due to rising wages.

      There is such a thing, only with the growth of salaries, the cost of production grows no less and PPC China.
      The main reason why all the world's production there is the cheapness of production due to the cheapness of wages. Labor cheapness will not become, all these productions will be placed in other countries.
  5. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 14 August 2017 08: 13
    +9
    Russians in Russia consider the luxury of their third child. One or two minds would give.
    1. Archon
      Archon 14 August 2017 12: 04
      +2
      It’s enough for itself, but the family is not really needed.
  6. seos
    seos 14 August 2017 08: 41
    +19
    As for the outflow of the Russian-speaking population from the Far East, this is a structural problem to which migrants have only an indirect relationship. “It’s just that the structure of the economy is such that there are few highly paid jobs where the Russian people would consider it not shameful to go,” Gabuev emphasized.

    So far, people in power imbibils like Guborev will flee from the Far East !!!!! Salary in the Far East is quite decent, but prices are higher than in the western regions.

    This figure is especially evident against the background of the mass departure from the region of the actual citizens of Russia. “Over the past 20 years, the outflow of the indigenous population of the Far East amounted to almost 2 million people. This is almost 20% of the population of the macroregion, ”Patrushev quotes the portal of the Yakutia authorities.

    People are fleeing this fact, the government is not trying to stop the flight, but trying to drive people there with stupid things, I suggest free land and money ...
    Morons in the government do not understand why they are fleeing from the Far East, and asking the population is not their method ....
    The law on the issue of land in the Far East was invented by MegaKretins it was impossible to come up with anything more cretinical, they destroyed the Far East by this law.

    In fact, the Far East did not belong to Russia from 1991-2008, it was abandoned by Moscow, given to the bandits at the mercy of ..
    The laws of the Russian Federation in the Far East did not and do not work, law enforcement agencies do not work, the courts would not work better ... every first judge should be hanged. Those court decisions that are made in the Far East, in higher courts remain unchanged, even if they are made on the basis of invented laws. All power and governing bodies have grown together with the criminal world .... the region lives "according to concepts."
    Human rights in the region do not apply, the population does not belong to people - rather, it is a serf population ascribed to their masters and obliged to pay tribute to them (and cannot go to another serf master, has no right). The population has the right to remain silent and pay bills (whatever they say).
  7. ism_ek
    ism_ek 14 August 2017 08: 44
    +1
    China is a very big country. There are areas with a very favorable climate. Like in the Nile Delta or Israel. In the northern regions of China, the population is also declining, despite huge financial injections from the government. And people live there not richly.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 August 2017 20: 48
      +2
      Quote: ism_ek
      not rich.

      My grandfathers would consider it fortunate to live in such a house. Unfortunately, they didn’t live. And digging a garden with shovels, and not a tractor. And this house, as I understand it, was built in the 90s. At that time, China did not live richly, but here we surpassed them.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 16 August 2017 11: 41
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And digging a garden with shovels, and not a tractor.

        There was no tractor driver in the village who would plow the garden "for a bottle"? :)
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 16 August 2017 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: ism_ek
          there was no tractor driver who "per bottle"

          Mining villages. Already in the mid-80s, they began to die out. Yes, and the sense of the tractor? All plum cherries. Not a field.
  8. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 August 2017 09: 15
    +7
    “Russians in Vladivostok do not sweep streets and lay roads, but many complain about the lack of any work.”
    Or can officials scratch their turnips, raise their priests and organize high-tech and well-paid jobs for the Russian population, as was promised earlier? And then the population to train and pull up to the necessary qualifications, and not rely on the invisible hand of the market and spontaneous capitalism?
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 14 August 2017 15: 06
      +4
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Or can officials scratch their turnips, raise their priests and organize high-tech and well-paid jobs for the Russian population, as was promised earlier? And then the population to train and pull up to the necessary qualifications, and not rely on the invisible hand of the market and spontaneous capitalism

      "You can’t transfer power to the hands of the population, because as soon as people understand the basis of their" I ", it will become extremely difficult to control and manipulate them." © G. Gref
      And someone Fursenko said that we do not need creator-producers, but only consumers.
      So the creed of our authorities: "Serf (b..loe) - know your place."
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 14 August 2017 09: 55
    +10
    “Russians in Vladivostok do not sweep streets and lay roads, but at the same time, many complain about the lack of any work,” the source said.
    And the interlocutor is ready to revenge the streets for 15000 rubles. And why should a person work hard without any prospects for the future, for many a vacation at sea is not an affordable luxury. And yes, we will lose both to China and Vietnam simply because of our position, we are further from the seas and it is colder here. We cannot live alone, therefore we are closer to the socialist model, where everyone works for the good of society, not capitalism, where everyone drags everything for himself.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 14 August 2017 11: 05
      +5
      Quote: Alex66
      And the interlocutor is ready to revenge the streets for 15000 rubles. And why should a person work hard without any prospects for the future, for many a vacation at sea is not an affordable luxury. And yes, we will lose both to China and Vietnam simply because of our position, we are further from the seas and it is colder here. We cannot live alone, therefore we are closer to the socialist model, where everyone works for the good of society, not capitalism, where everyone drags everything for himself.

      I fully support. Everything is just like that.
  10. sirota34
    sirota34 14 August 2017 13: 53
    +4
    Basarev in you give the country coal !!! Ultragrad give you Mlyn !!! They will cover it with one blow, and they will eat that there will be no village ... buy from Europeans or use chemistry? Such a hive! Yes there conditions will be worse than a concentration camp. This is exactly where the darkness and stench are provided. In the village did not live it is understandable, everything can be done there conveniently and comfortably ... there would only be a desire
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 14 August 2017 19: 11
      +3
      I fully support. The security of the country can only be ensured by the settlement of rural areas. Yes, and you can live quite well. I know a lot of people who live in cottages outside the city and even envy. Than in the city traffic jams-left early in the morning. But in the evening you can relax, breathe clean air. Mostly they are engaged not in growing crops, but in design. But in difficult times you will not die of hunger. Much more convenient than an apartment-garden-garage. Currently, only on yourself and you can hope. And security is higher than in the city.
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 12: 05
        +1
        Quote: olimpiada15
        The security of the country can only be ensured by the settlement of rural areas. Yes, and you can live quite well. I know a lot of people who live in cottages outside the city and even envy. Than in the city traffic jams-left early in the morning. But in the evening you can relax, breathe clean air. Mostly they are engaged not in growing crops, but in design. But in difficult times you will not die of hunger. Much more convenient than an apartment-garden-garage. Currently, only on yourself and you can hope. And security is higher than in the city.

        Yes, here is simple logic, it is necessary to distribute the population as evenly as possible, then in case of a chance to survive more. We have vast territories, we must use these.
  11. andy.v.lee
    andy.v.lee 14 August 2017 15: 28
    +4
    Migrants usually come to where "they are waiting." Only for some reason, in recent years, the most unskilled crawl, plus still multiply. Turkic peoples are already driving public transport with might and main (without the appropriate qualifications and level of culture for public transport drivers), they are quietly fed to the police to cover their own tribesmen, then they will be in power.
    In Vladivostok, almost the entire area of ​​the Second River was already in the vipers of the visiting merchants, and there was a clean, quiet sleeping and park area.
    What is this fraught with? The fact that the initially left over from the times of the Union and the closed city is really a cultural layer and more or less educated either leave or die out. The niches are uncouth in their niches (I cannot find another word), all this further develops into a clan economy (Turks and other visitors from the east are successful in this), degeneration of the level of culture, reduction of the level of economy to the level of trade and kinship, begins finally, the Chinese can come here not as migrants, but as masters.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 18 August 2017 12: 06
      0
      Quote: andy.v.lee
      to cover up their fellow tribesmen, then they will be in power.

      And then the very first one becomes, as with the mayor of London, who is he, is there a Hindu Pakistani ...
  12. igorserg
    igorserg 14 August 2017 16: 15
    +5
    Unpersuasive ... there are still resources that, with the growth of the Chinese economy, the last child is more and more lacking. The migration of the Chinese to us may be reduced, but the risk of occupying territories not populated by the Russian population is increasing.
  13. The splinter
    The splinter 15 August 2017 14: 05
    +2
    But Uzbeks and Tajiks in the Russian Federation should not be allowed. Not only are their countries sick with Russophobia, so there are not a few Islamic terrorists among them. It’s better to let the North Koreans come, they won’t even launch terrorist attacks in Russia, and the United States and Japan do not like this audience, which is also good for us.
  14. Liberson
    Liberson 16 August 2017 19: 50
    0
    We can say this is already Chinese territory.
  15. 1536
    1536 18 August 2017 10: 55
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    The trouble with Russia is not that migrants come to us, but that our people, Russians, are leaving the Far East, and not only the Far East, but also Transbaikalia, Siberia.
    This is the strategic miscalculation of the top leadership of Russia, although perhaps there is no miscalculation - they all do not care if this issue has not been resolved for decades.
    It is impossible to consider the “Far Eastern hectare” or the creation of the D-East University on Russky Island, or something like that, serious decisions.

    About the "left" Far East "Russian people." What statistics do you use? Please indicate because the information is completely contradictory. Some sources talk about outflow, others about stabilization, and Yakut information portals generally have population growth. But ours, with permission to say "government", probably use the fourth type of source. While Moscow and Leningrad are suffocating from a huge crowd of people, the Far East, indeed, suffers from a lack of inhabitants. But it has always been this way, with the exception, perhaps, only of the time of the Stalinist reforms. Conclusion: to turn to youth again to think about relocation to the Far East, only honestly, not in a bare field, not on a hectare, but to build and improve cities, factories, etc., to make industry there alternative to the Center and Moscow so that they themselves provide for everyone. This requires political will, honesty and the desire of young people to live not in the US and GB, but at home. Is that so hard to do? No, it’s quite easy if you do, rather than cormorant, from morning to night about some hectares, gambling zones and plundered spaceports, planting young people to lead an easy life, or pushing young people into the army and guards. "Silk Road", what do they want to protect with our forces? Well, except for the words "come .. rki" another is hard to find.