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POF: 48% of Russians were against selling C-400 to Turkey

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Public Opinion Foundation cites the results of a survey dedicated to the recent statement by Turkish President Erdogan about the “ambulance” of Ankara S-400. Recall that earlier some representatives of the military-technical sphere of the Russian Federation also spoke about the possibility of such deliveries.

In total, 1,5 thousand people took part in the FOM survey. 39% of respondents said that they were aware of the fact that Erdogan announced the “early deliveries” of C-400 to Turkey.

POF: 48% of Russians were against selling C-400 to Turkey


It is noteworthy that only every fourth respondent allowed the sale of the anti-aircraft missile system of NATO Turkey. 48% who took part in the survey stated that the sale of C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems is unacceptable. The rest for various reasons (including the reason and complete ignorance about what C-400 is ...) were unequivocal to answer.

All those who spoke in favor of selling the C-400 air defense system to the Turks, noted that "it is economically beneficial for the Russian Federation."

In addition to the C-400 question, respondents were asked about the relationship between Russia and Turkey. 41% of respondents believe that bilateral relations are positive, 18% consider Russian-Turkish relations negative. At the same time, 36% of FOM respondents noted that over the past year, relations between Moscow and Ankara have only gotten better.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 15: 02
    +6
    POF: 48% of Russians were against selling C-400 to Turkey
    And the remaining 52% in a share or what? what
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 11 August 2017 15: 13
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      And the remaining 52% in a share or what?

      And the rest to a shit! yes
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 11 August 2017 15: 19
        +6
        Why interrogate and take into account the uninformed?
    2. Kondratko
      Kondratko 11 August 2017 15: 14
      +22
      "POF: 48% of Russians spoke out"
      Again zhurnalyugi use a substitution of terms, it is necessary to write not "48% of Russians", but "48% of respondents." Perhaps I missed the referendum on this issue? As zadolbali headlines such as "scientists fshoke."
      1. Logall
        Logall 11 August 2017 15: 30
        +20
        Always, and again I ask: whom are they interviewing? Do you go to work?
        Loafers were again interviewed. Probably the most competent! Such issues should be dealt with in the Moscow Region and the Soviet Union without the Russian Federation. And only there! If questions arise there, then ask ME !!!
        bully bully hi
        1. venik
          venik 11 August 2017 18: 14
          +2
          Quote: Logall
          If questions arise there, then ask ME !!!

          ========
          And YOU, excuse me - "For" or "Against" ???? (Hee hee!)
          1. Logall
            Logall 12 August 2017 04: 29
            +16
            It depends on what stuffing they stuff! If the complex can only respond to hostile aircraft, then with both hands ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!
        2. cedar
          cedar 12 August 2017 08: 01
          +2
          "Always, and again I ask: whom are they interviewing? Do you go to work? "

          Chef on a glider ...
          1. Logall
            Logall 12 August 2017 08: 04
            +15
            At your glider? Then everything is clear! Thank! Enlightened !!!
    3. forester
      forester 11 August 2017 15: 49
      +1
      Yes there will be no sale. Erdogashka simply again started some kind of adventure with his "NATO" allies.
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 August 2017 19: 53
        0
        Quote: forester
        Yes there will be no sale. Erdogashka simply again started some kind of adventure with his "NATO" allies.

        Who told you that there will be no sale?
        All those who spoke in favor of selling the C-400 air defense system to the Turks, noted that "it is economically beneficial for the Russian Federation."

        This was said by ordinary people in a survey. Why do you think that those who decide people are different?
        1. forester
          forester 11 August 2017 22: 43
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: forester
          Yes there will be no sale. Erdogashka simply again started some kind of adventure with his "NATO" allies.

          Who told you that there will be no sale?
          All those who spoke in favor of selling the C-400 air defense system to the Turks, noted that "it is economically beneficial for the Russian Federation."

          This was said by ordinary people in a survey. Why do you think that those who decide people are different?

          But you see - there will be no sale. No one said - just an objective analysis.
          1. Alf
            Alf 11 August 2017 23: 01
            0
            Quote: forester
            But you see - there will be no sale.

            God forbid, God forbid ...
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 12 August 2017 01: 10
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: forester
              But you see - there will be no sale.

              God forbid, God forbid ...

              it will be so
              S-400 will not be sold to the Basurmans
          2. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 12 August 2017 01: 09
            0
            Quote: forester
            But you see - there will be no sale. No one said - just an objective analysis.

            quite right
            1. mirag2
              mirag2 12 August 2017 09: 30
              +1
              I also think that they are unlikely to be sold. Especially with technology.
    4. Maz
      Maz 11 August 2017 16: 03
      +3
      And there’s nothing to go to, Crimea
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 August 2017 19: 55
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        And there’s nothing to go to, Crimea

        I am also not enthusiastic about the fact that Russians prefer Turkey to Crimea. But do you know the difference in the price of tickets?
    5. Muvka
      Muvka 11 August 2017 16: 17
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      POF: 48% of Russians were against selling C-400 to Turkey
      And the remaining 52% in a share or what? what

      Read the full news. In favor of 25%.
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 11 August 2017 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Muvka
        In favor of 25%.

        I am also for! Purely redundantly sorry, there are so many holes in the sky themselves .. But here geopolitics dominates and Putin obviously made a decision not just like that, but thought for a long time! Judging by how Russia has risen to the level of a world power in the world community, its advisers have good analytics and practices .. Let's wait and see! If we sell. it means we will not fight with Turkey, but we will tear it from the USA! Good luck Putin .. I hope you will justify our trust! soldier
        1. Alf
          Alf 11 August 2017 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          it means we will not fight with Turkey, but we will tear it from the USA!

          Where is the guarantee that the day after the sale, American specialists will not begin to delve into her giblets? Such a guarantee cannot be given; Erdogan has already proved that it is impossible to take his word for it.
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          I hope you will justify our trust!

          17 already justifies, but things are still there.
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 11 August 2017 20: 26
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Where is the guarantee that the day after the sale, American specialists will not begin to delve into her giblets? Such a guarantee cannot be given; Erdogan has already proved that it is impossible to take his word for it.

            This is an export option ...! And the disconnection chip is there. It usually happens in the world whoever purchases a high-tech weapon becomes dependent on the seller ..! The S-400 is not a panacea for protection .. According to the idea, there are still a couple of echelons that need interaction, for sure ... Iran has also been installed .. As they say, these systems will work out, but they won’t give complete protection. Something else is needed to completely close the sky! We still have a lot of ideas and developments .. We recall that we are diving German Messers, it’s already left in the genes (in the Donbass, remember how all the air force was knocked off right away ..?))))
            1. Alf
              Alf 11 August 2017 20: 35
              +2
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              Usually in the world it happens, whoever purchases a high-tech weapon becomes dependent on the seller ..!

              True, only this speaks of relative friends. Turkey can’t even be attributed to relative.
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              And there is a trip chip there

              And where does the chip? I say that it will be studied by those to whom only one means of persuasion can be applied — the fist.
        2. forester
          forester 11 August 2017 22: 49
          +1
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Quote: Muvka
          In favor of 25%.

          I am also for! Purely redundantly sorry, there are so many holes in the sky themselves .. But here geopolitics dominates and Putin obviously made a decision not just like that, but thought for a long time! Judging by how Russia has risen to the level of a world power in the world community, its advisers have good analytics and practices .. Let's wait and see! If we sell. it means we will not fight with Turkey, but we will tear it from the USA! Good luck Putin .. I hope you will justify our trust! soldier

          The Turks also want to get production technology just like the Chinese want to buy rd-180 with the transfer of technology - therefore, as we don’t sell the rd-180 to the Chinese, they won’t sell the s-400 to the Turks.
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 11 August 2017 23: 03
            +1
            Quote: forester
            The Turks also want to get production technology just like the Chinese want to buy rd-180 with the transfer of technology - therefore, as we don’t sell the rd-180 to the Chinese, they won’t sell the s-400 to the Turks.

            Well, the US RD is selling something? Something they don’t really know how to copy. And we’ll supply Turkey’s air defense, they really need them .. There’s infa. That the USA will start bombing them, where our vacationers are .. So that’s just it!
            1. Alf
              Alf 12 August 2017 10: 40
              +1
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              There is infa. That the US will start to bomb them,

              It is much easier for them to slap an erdoganchik. And to find a Russian trace in the assassination attempt.
              1. DEPARTMENT
                DEPARTMENT 12 August 2017 10: 54
                0
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: DEPARTMENT
                There is infa. That the US will start to bomb them,

                It is much easier for them to slap an erdoganchik. And to find a Russian trace in the assassination attempt.

                Unfortunately no ! They will protect Erdogan right now, like the "apple of an eye" .. If anyone slaps him, then this will begin in Turkey, right up to joining Russia! The United States organized the coup and everyone knows that .. Turkey feels guilty before Russia! We do not remember evil, but we can always remember in fact. negative
                1. Alf
                  Alf 12 August 2017 10: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: DEPARTMENT
                  Turkey feels guilty before Russia!

                  When did Turkey feel guilty towards Russia?
                  Quote: DEPARTMENT
                  but we can always remember in fact.

                  Who will remember? Putin's government? Not really, I believe in this. I would like to be deceived, but so many times the opposite happened ...
    6. 73bor
      73bor 13 August 2017 00: 09
      +1
      Everything is not so simple there, I remember two years ago, the Chinese won the tender for the supply of air defense systems for Turkey, only something is missing! In addition, Turkey insists on the transfer of technology (can they give them “Almaz-Antey” as well?) There simply cannot be any more crazy proposals
  2. gukoyan
    gukoyan 11 August 2017 15: 05
    +4
    I see no reason for the NATO country to sell such technology.
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 August 2017 15: 07
      +14
      Quote: gukoyan
      I see no reason for the NATO country to sell such technology.

      Why? Greece, the same for a moment the country of NATO, at the time, the S-300 was sold, and what, did our entire air defense system collapse? After all, the systems for export are sold ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 11 August 2017 15: 10
        +3
        If with our "bookmarks" to turn off at the right time, why not sell! yes But it seems to me that this is all a game to the public.
        1. svp67
          svp67 11 August 2017 15: 13
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But it seems to me that this is all a game to the public.

          Me too. Yes, I will say more, Turkey "trolls" the United States ...
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 11 August 2017 15: 28
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Greece, the same for a moment the country of NATO, at the time, the S-300 was sold, and what, did our entire air defense system collapse?

          Moreover, there was an interesting point in this Greek deal, because Greece never politically and politically threatened us and sold it to protect it from ... (ta-dam !!!) ... Turkish Air Force (so that there would be no parity and stability in the region).
      2. garnik
        garnik 11 August 2017 18: 13
        +2
        Do you put the Turks and Greeks in one row? The Greeks are our friendly people, and the Turks, no matter who is in power, are an enemy.
        1. svp67
          svp67 11 August 2017 18: 18
          +3
          Quote: garnik
          Do you put the Turks and Greeks in one row? The Greeks are our friendly people, and the Turks, no matter who is in power, are an enemy.

          Are you out of your mind? "Friendly people" in the camp of NATO, this is cool. Do you think that the S-300 delivered to them remained "pristine clean" and that they were not "trampled and not fingered with their fingers" by American specialists?
          Take off the pink glasses. This is just BUSINESS. Moreover, it is VERY profitable for us. We then squeezed the S-300 to the Serbs, as then to the Iranians ... But there, in the case of Serbia, these complexes could save a lot of lives. The lives of civilians
          1. garnik
            garnik 11 August 2017 18: 56
            +1
            The USSR once asked for this camp of enemies. If Russia would definitely stand behind the Greeks in the confrontation with the Turks, then they would have been on the drum, and then the Turks are friend or foe.

            The arms business may be with friendly states or neutral countries outside the scope of interests, and not with potential enemies.
            You are right about the Serbs and Persians. What can I say, it’s impossible to even sell a Superjet 100 to Iran without looking at the United States.
            1. svp67
              svp67 11 August 2017 19: 06
              +2
              Quote: garnik
              If Russia clearly stood behind the Greeks in the confrontation with the Turks, then they would have been on the drum, and then the Turks are friend or foe.

              Alas, without a “corridor” through Bulgaria and the countries of the former Yugoslavia, Russia will not be able to effectively help Greece
              1. garnik
                garnik 11 August 2017 20: 26
                0
                You can swim to Greece by sea. Our humanitarian aid to Serbia was delivered through the territory of Greece, despite the fact that it is part of NATO.
            2. Alf
              Alf 11 August 2017 20: 02
              0
              Quote: garnik
              The USSR once asked for this camp of enemies.

              This is when Russia asked to join NATO? This curious fact for some reason passed by my attention.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 11 August 2017 20: 20
                +2
                Quote: Alf
                This is when Russia asked to join NATO? This curious fact for some reason passed by my attention.

                In the 90s, the EBN sent NATO a message that Russia was raising the issue of joining NATO. There is a commotion in NATO. EBN dismissed the fact that the secretary missed the letters NOT before the word "puts". And how it really was - hell knows. sad
                1. Alf
                  Alf 11 August 2017 20: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And how it really was - hell knows.

                  What can’t you blurt out with a drunk. Although, if you consider that then the country was ruled by everyone who is not lazy ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 11 August 2017 20: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Alf
                    What can’t you blurt out with a drunk.

                    The devil knows them. Maybe Korzhakov forgot to perform the “sunset” operation ... Or maybe the other way around. sad
              2. garnik
                garnik 11 August 2017 20: 20
                0
                http://russian7.ru/post/7-faktov-o-popytkax-sssr-
                vstupit-v-nato /
                This is the first thing I found on the internet.
                It is about the USSR, not Russia.
          2. Alf
            Alf 11 August 2017 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            But there, in the case of Serbia, these complexes could save a lot of lives. The lives of civilians

            Would not save anyone in Serbia S-300, given the fact that Russia Yugoslavia threw at the mercy of NATO. If the Yugoslavs had at least the 300s, at least the 400s, even the Triumphs, the result would be the same.
            1. svp67
              svp67 11 August 2017 20: 14
              +2
              Quote: Alf
              Would not save anyone in Serbia S-300

              One photograph of Serbian officers in the cockpit of the S-300 PU forced NATO to postpone the start of the bombing for several days. Until they figured out that this is a photo from our CA where they prepared these calculations and there are no S-300s in Yugoslavia. NATO members were very afraid of these complexes. In the "western" countries, they are very sensitive to high losses, especially among pilots whose training spends millions. Even if this threat is "hypothetical"
              1. Alf
                Alf 11 August 2017 20: 19
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Alf
                Would not save anyone in Serbia S-300

                One photograph of Serbian officers in the cockpit of the S-300 PU forced NATO to postpone the start of the bombing for several days.

                Well, postponed for 3-4-5 days. What would it change?
                Quote: svp67
                In the "Western" countries are very sensitive to high losses

                Before the start of the first Gulf War, Schwarzkopf officially announced that the US Army had procured 10 (!) Plastic bags for corpses. And nothing, the "public" was not a bit indignant.
              2. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 12 August 2017 01: 13
                0
                Quote: svp67
                One photograph of Serbian officers in the cockpit of the S-300 PU forced NATO to postpone the start of the bombing for several days. Until they figured it out

                talked for 3 months
      3. venik
        venik 11 August 2017 18: 32
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Why? Greece, the same for a moment the country of NATO, at the time, the S-300 was sold, and what, did our entire air defense system collapse? After all, the systems for export are sold ...

        ==========
        Bravo!!!! And not only this!!!! There is one more "nuance" ..... THOSE WHO supply the "neighbors" with air defense systems (and other high-tech weapons!) Knows BETTER than others HOW it can be "neutralized" !!! It is a pity that the "interrogated" (like some "comrades" on the forum) did NOT THINK about this !!!!!
      4. The splinter
        The splinter 11 August 2017 19: 17
        +2
        They sold the S-300 air defense system to Greece and the United States was able to get acquainted with it in detail. Greece is a NATO country and this must be understood, it has a military agreement with the USA and Turkey is a NATO member, and our S-400s, if there is a conflict, our planes will be shot down. However, traders and the parishioners of the Yeltsincentr never possessed either the desire or the ability to look beyond their own pockets and always did not give a damn about Russia's interests ...
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 August 2017 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: gukoyan
      I see no reason for the NATO country to sell such technology.

      You apparently do not see the difference between the sale of technology and the finished product ... however, apparently, like these 48%
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 07
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: gukoyan
        I see no reason for the NATO country to sell such technology.

        You apparently do not see the difference between the sale of technology and the finished product ... however, apparently, like these 48%

        Andrei, everything is not easy, and as I think, the “news” is ahead of the engine, I would only sell S-125 to the Turks.
        1. venik
          venik 11 August 2017 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Andrei, everything is not easy, and as I think, the “news” is ahead of the engine, I would only sell S-125 to the Turks.

          =========
          Sorry, but THEY will buy them ???? "Sultan Erdogan" is not casual, the Russian systems are "sunk" ..... And his advisers are also not "stupid" .... They have "pin ..... themselves" some "disagreements" were outlined - it seems to be like "friends", BUT ..... Well, he (in the sense of Erdogan) does not want to "pin .... Soviet" systems .... He knows that the "suppliers" are the same "patriots" " drown out "overnight (if that) ..... And try to cope with the Russian 400s (unless of course you know how they" work "!!!) .... Speaking of export! The Chinese until these times can not fully S-300 "copy" their "clone" STRONGLY inferior to the prototype !!! And this is despite the fact that he delivered the “EXPORT” version, which is very different from the “base” version !!!!!!
          1. The splinter
            The splinter 11 August 2017 19: 20
            +2
            But she won’t buy our problems, Russia shouldn’t supply NATO with the latest military systems. In addition, Turkey has signed a military agreement with the Saudis, and Russia also does not have to expect good from the Saudis. It is enough that Turkey supported Islamic terrorists in the Russian Caucasus. I am categorically against selling to the Turks anything other than a slingshot from the Maidan.
          2. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 12 August 2017 01: 21
            0
            Quote: venik
            Speaking of export! The Chinese until these times can not fully S-300 "copy" their "clone" STRONGLY inferior to the prototype !!! AND

            Since those s-300s that they were delivered to, they naturally couldn't really copy
            in general, they wanted something to be passed to them on production technology, but it did not work out. actually on this contract and ended.
            Because the Chinese eventually went to the Ukrainian design bureau to order something there separately
        2. Alf
          Alf 11 August 2017 20: 03
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I would only sell S-125 to the Turks.

          And those are rusty.
  3. atakan
    atakan 11 August 2017 15: 05
    0
    Uh, I’m against it too.
    But there are those who live on another planet,
    so that the citizens of Patsaki and Chetlan wave their hand.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: atakan
      Uh, I’m against it too.
      But there are those who live on another planet,
      so that the citizens of Patsaki and Chetlan wave their hand.

      you have a pronounced deviation from the "color differentiation of the pants" ... lol
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 August 2017 15: 20
    0
    The decision of VGK to sell or not to sell complexes to Turks will be 48%, 60 and even 100% more weighty (his last word and subordinate to him is a whole General Staff, analysts from the Foreign Intelligence Service, the Russian Security Council and all sorts of other military commissions there) Why raise speculation on this subject?
    Another referendum on this issue remains to be held, well, ridiculously, honestly.)))
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 August 2017 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      In the Kremlin, everyone knows better.

      "There will be no turn to modernization of the economy. We will continue the liberal course. We will carry out residual privatization and sell the rest."
      You know better, it’s only in which direction are they looking in the Kremlin?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 August 2017 23: 10
        0
        Quote: Alf
        We will continue the liberal course.

        You go the right way, gentlemen!
        Quote: Alf
        We’ll carry out residual privatization and sell the remainder. "

        Well, well, there are still no remains ...
        Quote: Alf
        You know better, it’s only in which direction are they looking in the Kremlin?

        ... I would not have sold the Turks and the rusty bullet, but why should I worry if my opinion, yours and many other indifferent citizens are simply not taken into account? They don’t hear us, but if they hear us, they don’t take us seriously. Therefore, let the tsar decide everything and then hold the answer for this (before the “partners” or the court of history). And save those who pay for mistakes, stupidity or even crimes of the bosses Once again, Russia will fall to simple people --- well, it always has been. And not only here.
        I could write a couple more general notebooks about how I evaluate today's day, the development strategy of our country, but this is simply shocking to many and will bring unnecessary pessimism to their thoughts and actions. Therefore, I’d better keep silent about the course (which is not) and about threats that, with knives in their hands, are almost at the threshold of our common home.
        Let the play be played out to the end --- the elite rules, and the people admire it. It’s all the same to change nothing, Alf. Not him, not us.
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 August 2017 10: 36
          0
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Therefore, let the king decide everything and then hold the answer for it

          When in the history of modern Russia did the tsar hold an answer for anything?
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          All the same, nothing can be changed, Alf. Not to them, not to us.

          Unfortunately, you are right. We cannot, but they do not want.
  5. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 11 August 2017 15: 25
    +1
    52% of the enemies of the people?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 11 August 2017 16: 19
      +1
      Weak to read the full news?
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 12 August 2017 01: 16
        0
        Quote: Muvka
        Weak to read the full news?

        so read
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      52% of the enemies of the people?

      at the scale of the office where the survey took place, fine ... yes
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 12 August 2017 01: 16
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        52% of the enemies of the people?

        at the scale of the office where the survey took place, fine ... yes

        vague doubts torment me if less than 50 people work in the office
        how to accurately find these enemy 2% in a person lol
  6. K-50
    K-50 11 August 2017 15: 27
    +4
    Why sell ultra-modern weapons to the side when they are not enough for their army?
    Especially in the country of the opposing aggressive bloc? Okay, Greece once sold the S-300, but then really the currency in the country was not enough. It was necessary to service their loans and other expenses. But now why so much hype? request
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 11 August 2017 15: 35
      0
      And now the country is as if in opera ... Nothing has changed ...
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 August 2017 15: 40
      +2
      In order for our weapons to come out CHEAPER for us ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 August 2017 20: 09
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        In order for our weapons to come out CHEAPER for us ...

        When will you BEGIN what will we fight back with? Contracts and screams, what became cheaper?
        1. atakan
          atakan 12 August 2017 03: 18
          +1
          When will you BEGIN what will we fight back with? Contracts and screams, what became cheaper?

          In recent times, the USSR had everything, but there was a rotten elite, the children of officials and the USSR were gone. The weapon didn’t help. Somehow not so long ago, Brzezinski asked the right question: “Do you think this is your elite? No, it’s ours.” Since their children and wives live in London (Peskov - an example).
          There will be no attack on Russia; there will be a special operation in the Kremlin by the forces of special operations of the USA of Britain, Israel. And the “BUTTON” in the suitcase will probably be blocked.
          1. Alf
            Alf 12 August 2017 10: 38
            0
            Quote: atakan
            "Since their children and wives live in London (Peskov - an example).

            History repeats itself. So it was in 1917, so it is in 2017.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      Why sell ultra-modern weapons to the side when they are not enough for their army?

      The question is legal. only "significant" objects are "covered", in the event of force majeure, the territory of Russia is huge ... "villages" with a population of 150-200 will not be covered.
      1. Alf
        Alf 11 August 2017 20: 10
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        "villages" with a population of 150-200 thousand will not be covered.

        And there is not the "elite", there every shushera lives, as was said, "not fit into the market."
  7. win9090
    win9090 11 August 2017 15: 27
    +2
    Less than 1% of Russians with their khalui will not listen to the remaining 99%)
  8. Makarov
    Makarov 11 August 2017 15: 37
    +3
    I don’t understand why against? technologies do not sell, this is not the most advanced version of the complex ... At the same time, there is the opportunity to drive a wedge between the allies in the camp of the enemy. Turkey is buying this complex to be sure that they can bring down a US plane and no unexpected “system failure” will happen ... what's the problem?
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 11 August 2017 16: 26
      +2
      Another important point that was written a couple of weeks ago during the discussion of this issue is that Turkey actually does not control or partially controls its own airspace. Firstly, they have NATO aircraft deployed, and secondly, ground-based air defense systems - petriots are imported to them by other countries in a rotational order. Now, for example, they are being patrolled by German Patriots. It is clear to whom they obey.

      Having bought their own air defense systems, the Turks will be able to at least partially control their airspace. And yes, it will drive wedges between Turkey and NATO leadership.

      But ... the very fact of the sale of the S-400 to the country that recently shot down the Russian plane is equivalent to stepping over the pilot’s corpse .....
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: alexmach
        Now, for example, they are being patrolled by German Patriots.

        how old I am ... I thought that the Patriot was a purely American product ....
        Quote: alexmach
        Having bought their own air defense systems, the Turks will be able to at least partially control their airspace.

        sorry ... "own" ??? I have a glitch what in my head ..
        Quote: alexmach
        But ... the very fact of the sale of the S-400 to the country that recently shot down the Russian plane is equivalent to stepping over the pilot’s corpse .....

        and here ... the moral side of the issue, and I absolutely agree with you. (Klaas's ashes, beating in my heart)
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 11 August 2017 18: 53
          +1
          how old I am ... I thought that the Patriot was a purely American product ....

          Petriots Budeswehr with German crews. And they obviously do not submit to the Turkish command.
          sorry ... "own" ??? I have a crash what in my head ..

          Own ... Owned ... So whose Greek S-300 are they? Russian or Greek?
        2. Alf
          Alf 11 August 2017 20: 11
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          the moral side of the issue,

          Bucks, bucks, bucks ...
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 11 August 2017 23: 33
        +1
        Well ... at the expense of the downed plane ... it was necessary to answer in a mirror ... this is my opinion ... and so ... the train left and you need to maneuver in today's realities ... to which selling the complex looks like a bargain ... .a killed pilot ... apparently the problem is in the management or speed of decision making and (or) its implementation ... after all, it was in fact an act of military aggression according to which, according to the military doctrine (I may be wrong), a retaliatory blow MUST be followed ... that’s the reason why the system didn’t work, I am personally very worried ...
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 12 August 2017 11: 58
          0
          The subsequent blow, and on the NATO base, would mean the beginning of a hot full-scale war with NATO. And this is too tough for us.

          Although yes, if you answer then right away.
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 13 August 2017 00: 51
            +1
            it’s not necessary to attack the base right away ... knocking back a plane would be enough ... and there, as history shows, everyone would shut up ... well, they would grow puffy ... but it is doubtful that they would get involved in a full-blown conflict ...
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 13 August 2017 18: 52
              0
              They are not fools to substitute. They stopped flying for a time near the border.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 August 2017 15: 38
    +1
    S-400 will NOT be fired at us! Therefore, you can sell at least Ukrainians laughing I’m joking, of course, all these passenger planes are knocked off at once ...
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 11 August 2017 16: 27
      +1
      The S-400 will NOT be fired at!

      But this is nonsense.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 26
        +3
        Quote: alexmach
        The S-400 will NOT be fired at!

        But this is nonsense.

        I’m sure that we didn’t get to the “bookmarks” ... perhaps the underestimation of the characteristics is insignificant (they won’t buy otherwise), but in electronics, we lag behind what to hide in order to make the “bookmark”, we need our own solid elemental base. and we are "polished" by checking not the "bookmarks" of any left-wing producers. There is no secret, there is only Hope ... how much is measured to it ...?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 11 August 2017 18: 57
          0
          Yes tales are all of these bookmarks. Where the calculation will shoot a rocket there and fly. Even if you sell something to someone with a bookmark, this will show up during operation. It is impossible to make such a bookmark with which the product would work like a watch during exercises, operated and possibly serviced by the buyer, but would fail when trying to bring down a Russian plane. It just doesn't happen that way.
          Not to mention the fact that to disassemble one product and see what is inside it and why, well, God himself ordered.
  10. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 11 August 2017 15: 44
    +2
    It is unfortunate that all kinds of polls are not attached to the articles on the VO, but it is as easy as making such a function.
  11. MadCat
    MadCat 11 August 2017 15: 56
    +1
    while you buy you need to sell, it will then become clear that it does not shoot. lol
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: MadCat
      while you buy you need to sell, it will then become clear that it does not shoot. lol

      go to a car dealership and buy a trough that will die in a couple of thousand run ... and then you will understand the essence of things ...
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 11 August 2017 18: 55
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        go to a car dealership and buy a trough that will die in a couple of thousand run ... and then you will understand the essence of things ...

        Too many letters, counting ...
    2. Alf
      Alf 11 August 2017 20: 13
      0
      Quote: MadCat
      while buying need to sell

      Oh, sorry Stalin did not know about this formula, otherwise he would have been trading the whole war with the Germans ...
  12. like this
    like this 11 August 2017 16: 11
    0
    48 percent they just don’t understand that the Turks need to bring down su 30, su 34, su 35 to win the prize of Western audience sympathy, and neighbors need help
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 August 2017 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: here you go
      48 percent they just don’t understand that the Turks need to bring down su 30, su 34, su 35 to win the prize of Western audience sympathy, and neighbors need help

      and SU-57? and the neighbors are sick of it ... it's time to call the "district" ...
      1. like this
        like this 11 August 2017 18: 15
        +1
        Su 57 campaign before the Indians will appear than in the VKS, for the development of our military-industrial complex is so useful. without knowing to bring him down, otherwise the wild Indians will bring down something in response
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 11 August 2017 16: 27
    +1
    It seems that the decision to sell the S-400 to the Turks is more likely political. Putin helped Erdogan with the coup and will help with the air defense system, the game of contradictions inside the NATO bloc. It’s hard to say how successful the game is. In the East, some gestures mean more words ..... .........
    1. Maz
      Maz 11 August 2017 19: 52
      +1
      Don’t say it right, the S-400 is needed to cover the air of the NATO Ingerlik base, which by the way, without the permission of the Turks, launched the very plane that shot down our dryer. The second battery is likely to cover the government quarter in Istanbul from such non-sanctions sorties of military aircraft. We give Erdogan freedom and control of the country's airspace - it is worth a lot
    2. Alf
      Alf 11 August 2017 20: 14
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      In the East, some gestures mean more words ..............

      In the East there is such a national peculiarity - no one can be trusted.
  14. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 11 August 2017 16: 33
    +2
    betting gentlemen .. I'm sure that the Turks will not buy it. and this will be at the last moment, when the US will make a convincing proposal .. which Erdogan will not refuse.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 11 August 2017 18: 46
      0
      It's not about those Turks on the other side, but about "ours" ...
  15. HEATHER
    HEATHER 11 August 2017 17: 07
    +4
    Where was the survey conducted? I haven’t heard. I am the same AGAINST! You can’t trust Turetschina. Have you completely provided yourself with these systems? Sell them S-200 with expired charges and reduced intercept range. You can’t give a potential powerful weapon.
  16. NordUral
    NordUral 11 August 2017 18: 45
    0
    I do not share, Andrei Yurievich, and I am against it. The rest, unfortunately, is a light bulb.
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    1. APASUS
      APASUS 11 August 2017 22: 16
      0
      Quote: Londo
      It's about dignity

      What are the interests of the state above all else that you don’t like Putin’s politics? Better as in the Soviet Union, betting on a leader and as soon as you dare to turn a leader all over immediately, like in Egypt or Afghanistan, for example. Americans don’t put on a leader they control the situation, they don’t who rules the country if only the course was correct. And when we took the course of the Americans, we immediately began to blame us for lack of dignity, you are not going too far !?
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        1. APASUS
          APASUS 11 August 2017 22: 49
          0
          Quote: Londo
          It seems to me that Putin and his entourage have their own interests, and they have little overlap with the interests of the state and residents ... (

          Politics is a dirty business and Putin hasn’t discovered anything new here.
  18. Catherine II
    Catherine II 11 August 2017 21: 12
    0
    Not a Russian, but polls will not help here. So discuss in the kitchens. In the Internet..
    Sell ​​to everyone who expresses a desire. Even on credit ... Moreover, there are already several projects in Turkey.
    The main issue here is not even politics, but money. The acute problem of money and the need for situational allies. What Turkey and China use very well ..
    Well, tomato sanctions in the past. Turkey has come out of the situation in better conditions than before. I have the impression that the Russian Federation shot down a Turkish plane and is doing its best to pacify the Turks .....
    as written above, “Klaas's ashes knock on my heart” ...
    however, he does not knock when ringing coins and unfounded promises and scimitars in the back ...
    he doesn’t knock there ...
    and polls won't help ...
    anyway, "guns are more eloquent than us" (good expression from the book)
  19. viktor.
    viktor. 12 August 2017 01: 02
    +2
    I wouldn’t even sell gas to the Turks!
  20. Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 12 August 2017 05: 40
    0
    Yes, let them deliver! We’ll earn at least billions of dollars in NATO! All the same, they are meaningless against us! God forbid, in case of war, they will be destroyed by the first blow by hypersonic Escanders or supersonic Onyxes or Caliber, or in the future after 2020 by hypersonic Zircons! Against GREAT RUSSIA, even our S-400s - at the moment the world's best air defense system are powerless! And we know this - therefore, we are selling them to TURKEY - a member of NATO! Moreover, we are approaching the new S-500 air defense and missile defense system after 2020! By the way, after all, in 90 years and even the USA we sold the S-300 air defense system! But even the United States could not - copy it! We could not solve the algorithms of our computers - although 90% of programmers from all over the world work for them! Including our former compatriots! An example of this is their PATRIOT air defense system! So let the TURKS buy - their dollars will be very useful to us now!
    1. raki-uzo
      raki-uzo 12 August 2017 11: 36
      0
      The point is confrontation. Money has nothing to do with it. Neither Russia nor Turkey will regret if they lose some pennies, but reliable friendship is priceless these days.
      1. Alf
        Alf 12 August 2017 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: raki-uzo
        but reliable friendship is priceless these days.

        The only question is whether the Turks remember the good? They shot down our plane, they didn’t apologize. Russia chose to forget and not pay attention. The ambassador was killed. Turkey not only did not extradite the killer, but also did not apologize. The question is, is it worth having any business with such?
        1. raki-uzo
          raki-uzo 12 August 2017 16: 03
          0
          Quote: Alf
          The only question is whether the Turks remember the good?

          They remember as much as Russians remember.
          Quote: Alf
          They shot down our plane, they didn’t apologize.

          One of you is not saying who is interested, you or GDP?
          Quote: Alf
          The ambassador was killed. Turkey not only did not give out the killer, but also did not apologize.

          He decided to finish the matter to the end and wanted to be killed, s.k. And his corpse, excuse me, is unlikely that you would need. They do not apologize for the terrorist attacks, a bad sign.
          Quote: Alf
          The question is, is it worth having any business with such?

          The local contingent will say - "no, not worth it." And today, after work, I’ll go out for a drink with my Russian-speaking friends. Here in Antalya I have a lot of them, I will order crayfish, someone will drink vodka, someone beer and relax.
          1. Alf
            Alf 12 August 2017 16: 12
            0
            Quote: raki-uzo
            They do not apologize for the terrorist attacks, a bad sign.

            Yes, if a hotel were blown up in Turkey, where Russian tourists also lived, then "Yes."
            But killing an ambassador is a different matter. Why, at the time of the ambassador’s speech, was there OUR guard not nearby?
            Quote: raki-uzo
            And today, after work, I’ll go out for a drink with my Russian-speaking friends. Here in Antalya I have a lot of them, I will order crayfish, someone will drink vodka, someone beer and relax.

            Order, drink as much as you like. At the private level. But not at the state level.
            Quote: raki-uzo
            Quote: Alf
            They shot down our plane, they didn’t apologize.
            One of you is not saying who is interested, you or GDP?

            I do not recall that Turkey apologized formally. Where is the shooter? Where is the one who gave the launch command? Have Russian experts been allowed to investigate?
            And about Putin, he too often forgives spitting in the face of Russia.
  21. genpolitproject
    genpolitproject 12 August 2017 07: 44
    +1
    In no case do not sell the latest S-400 to Turkey. TREATY Turkey - then they scan the installation options, and with the help of the USA they will do no worse, but BETTER .... Turkey is a hostile state, is a member of NATO, and what is scared of with them is a spectacle ...
  22. Boris55
    Boris55 12 August 2017 09: 19
    0
    Our libiroids, walking in the wake of Western Wishlist, completely lost the instinct of self-preservation. Do not trade in arms, do not trade in oil, do not trade in gas, and now what do we need to take off our pants and hang ourselves? All who urge us not to trade competitive goods on the international market are our enemies, working for the economies of countries hostile to us. Drive them all to the Arctic Circle.
    S-400 weapons are defensive. We are not going to attack Turkey.
  23. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 12 August 2017 10: 51
    +1
    IN AND. Lenin remarked: "The capitalist will commit any crime for the sake of 300% profit." Our efficient managers are ready to sell weapons even to potential adversaries, and if war happens they will end up in England.
  24. Altona
    Altona 12 August 2017 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: Logall
    It depends on what stuffing they stuff!

    -----------------------
    If instead of rocket fuel there will be baklava, then I am for it.
  25. Naughty
    Naughty 12 August 2017 12: 44
    0
    Let them supply it))) The main thing is that the Nizhny Novgorod Machine Plant does not know anything about this)))) Well, they’ve taken from the database and brought to the Super Light state)))) Let them not re-melt them
  26. storm
    storm 12 August 2017 13: 19
    +1
    S-400 is the main air defense system of the country, about 50% of the 2020 battalions planned for GPV-56 went through re-equipment.
    S-500 will appear in the troops after 20g and in single copies.
    The money earned from the transaction with Turkey is not comparable with the risk of loss of technology that may be with the sale of S-400 to the state, a NATO member.
    In addition, Turkey hopes to get the S-400 for a loan that it will receive from Russia, i.e. for our money .. is S-400 really such an “illiquid asset” that it can be transferred on credit or for Turkish tomatoes ...
    S-400 of course can be delivered to Turkey, but not earlier than 2025
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 August 2017 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: assault
      Turkey also hopes to get the S-400 for a loan that it will receive from Russia, i.e. for our money .. is S-400 really such an “illiquid asset” that it can be transferred on credit or for Turkish tomatoes ...

      Russia is desperately short of money. But, instead of raising the country's economy, its leaders prefer to sell its secrets to the enemy.
  27. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 14 August 2017 18: 09
    0
    I also think that this is not a good idea.