Shamshir 4 + is catching up with Su-34. The ambitious program of modernization of the British-Indian "Air Defense Killers" in the final stage

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One of the main drawbacks of tactical fighters of the Jaguar family (including the Indian ones) is the practical ceiling, ranging from 11000 to 14500 m (depending on the modification): this does not allow the machines to safely “bypass” the high-altitude lines of the interception of medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems HQ-16, which today are becoming the main component of Pakistan air defense


In the XNUMXst century, numerous ambitious programs for the modernization of tactical, strategic, patrol and reconnaissance aircraft became a rather important segment of the defense sector of most developed countries aviationthat have come close to the deadline for the exhaustion of their operational resource. To our disappointment, both in the West and in China, this vector of the work of the leading aerospace giant corporations and research institutes of the Air Force is positioned as the main direction, as well as the development of promising 5th generation fighters or hypersonic aircraft, at that time how this sphere is noticeably “slipping” in our country. They continue to “trumpet” us that the specialized high-performance computing subsystem SVP-24 “Hephaestus” is almost the crown of high-precision technologies for tactical and strike aircraft, and at that time almost all tactical fighters of the US Air Force F-15C / E Eagle / Strike Eagle are already equipped with modern radars with active AN / APG-63 (V) 3 phased arrays, which are 1,8 times superior to H001 (Su-27 / SM) radars in range and several times in noise immunity and target channel. Established H001 “Sword” without the corresponding auxiliary elemental base does not even have an “air-to-surface” mode.



Moreover, if our front-line Su-27CM is still at the level of the early F-15C, the updated Needles / Strike Needles has long reached the performance of the Su-30M, equipped with the Н011М Bars radar. Multipurpose tactical fighter F-16C Block 52 + US air force will also be equipped with new AFAR-radar type AN / APG-83 SABR, which are close to one of the most advanced radar systems - AN / APG-81. We continue to observe only the technological demonstrator of promising radar "FGA-29" and "Beetle-AME", as well as listen to promises about their possible integration into the MiG-29 avionics; in fact, MiG-29CMT / М2 are on duty with the “ancient” radars H019MP Topaz and H010MP Zhuk-ME, which in the DVB will not oppose anything to the modernized Falcons. In terms of the modernization of tactical aviation, even the Celestial Empire was able to get ahead by updating the avionics (including the information field of the pilots) of multi-purpose fighter jets J-11B / D. Thus, numerous J-11Bs were equipped with advanced holographic HUDs, as well as at least 4 LCD MFIs for displaying tactical information from the radar and tactical information exchange module, while the J-11D received a modern AFAR radar capable of “firing” with such station, as H011 "Bars" in range, as well as with H035 "Irbis-E" - in noise immunity and channel.

From this an unambiguous conclusion follows: until the operational combat readiness of the multi-purpose 5 generation fighters is achieved, the necessary combat potential of the air force can be maintained solely on the 4 + / ++ fighter jets; and this component should be presented by both new machines of the type MiG-35 and Su-35С, and deeply modernized MiG-29С / СМТ. Let us hope that in the near future, our Ministry of Defense will still deal with the issue of a comprehensive upgrade of tactical aviation of the 4 generation, but for now we will consider a rather interesting program of revision of SEPECAT "Jaguar IS / IM" tactical fighters-bombers in service with the Indian Air Force.

UNIQUE FIGHTING OPPORTUNITIES OF IMPROVED INDIAN "JAGUARS" WILL CHANGE THE BALANCE OF FORCES IN SOUTH ASIA. The DARIN-III PROGRAM WILL TURN VETERAN TACTICS INTO MODERN SHOCK TRANSITIONAL GENERATION AIRCRAFT COMPLEXES

Many military experts and amateurs became convinced that tactical fighter-bombers / interceptors of the F-4C / E / F “Phanton II” family became one of the most popular and successful multi-purpose 3-generation air complexes. In part, this is true: “Phantoms” for the first time were able to use short / medium range guided missiles (12 km) AIM-7C with semi-active radar seeker, which were later upgraded to AIM-7E2 with a radius of 50 km. The use of URVV data became possible due to the installation of a parabolic radar AN / APQ-120 radar capable of detecting a target with an 5 2 EPR at a distance of about 60 km and “capture” at a distance of 50 km. In addition to the above, back in 1968, the 36 F-4C was converted into an electronic warfare modification of the EF-4C Wild Weasel, which was able to detect and “capture” radio sources with further targeting for the AGM-45 “Shrike” anti-radar missiles ". The key device for issuing target designation to the Shrikam, which allows the EF-4C to suppress enemy air defenses, was the ER-142 passive direction finding complex, which was later replaced with the more accurate AN / ALR-53. At the end of 80-x - in the beginning of 90-x. The “phantoms” of the F-4F, which are in service with the Luftwaffe, underwent a deep modernization under the ICF program, thanks to which the 3 + fighter aircraft of the “120 +” generation was adapted to the use of modern medium-range long-range air combat missiles AIM-XNUMXC AMRAAM. At this point, the upgrade program for one of the most successful tactical fighters of the 20th and 21st centuries was closed.

Meanwhile, there is another equally interesting tactical fighter of the light class of the “Phantomov” times, which fate has prepared for a much longer service life side by side with the tactical aviation of the transitional and 5 generations in the upcoming network-centric conflicts of the 21st century. It can be noted that despite the attempt to successfully implement several multibillion-dollar programs related to the development of the promising low-profile 5 generation fighters AMCA and FGFA, as well as upgrading the super-maneuverable Su-30МКИ to the Super-30 version, Delhi is in no hurry to reduce the tactical fleet 3-th and 4-th generations. Moreover, some aircraft are considered by the Indian Air Force Command as air platforms for building advanced multipurpose aviation systems that can significantly change the existing balance of power with the PRC and Pakistan before entering the 5 generation combat vehicles. One of such tactical fighter-attack aircraft was the well-known SEPECAT "Jaguar", which entered the fighter squadrons of the Indian Air Force immediately in 3-s modifications: "Jaguar IS" (single), "Jaguar IT" (double, "Sparka") and " Jaguar IM ”(anti-shipping). The armament control complex (KUV) of the “Jaguar IM” (“Indian Maritime”) modification received a hardware-software adaptation to the Sea Eagle anti-ship missiles with a range of up to 110 km. The Indian Air Force urgently needed a Jaguar anti-ship variant to counter the rapidly developing surface components of the Chinese and Pakistan fleets.

At the moment, the Indian Air Force has at its disposal more than 130 operating Jaguar IS / IT / IM attack fighters, which are regularly upgraded through the DARIN-II / III programs, named after the DARIN aiming and navigation system. The latter was developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited specialists on the basis of the French INS Sagem ULISS 82. One of the stages of updating the Indian Jaguars avionics took place in 1996, when the anti-ship versions of Jaguar IM were equipped with modern at that time Israeli EL / M-2032 airborne radars with planar antenna arrays. From this point on, the 5 Squadron of the Indian Jaguars became a modern attack unit, which gained the ability to detect remote surface / hired targets at a distance of about 150 km (without using DRLO and anti-submarine aircraft), to carry out low-altitude flights in the following terrain mode and low-altitude flying over the water surface. Moreover, the option “opened long-range air combat” was possible thanks to the EL / M-2032's ability to detect air targets with EPR 3м2 at a distance of 75 - 80 km, but in 90-ies the Indian Air Force command inspired by the future supply of our fighters of air superiority gain Su-30K, did not rely on the anti-aircraft capabilities of the Jaguars, which is why the integration of medium-range anti-aircraft missiles into the “Jaguar IM” ammunition unit did not follow.

In addition to installing the multifunctional radar from Elta EL / M-2032, Jaguar IM was also adapted to the use of the container AN / AAQ-28 (V) "Lighting-ATP" optical-electronic complex, due to which the machines received new passive reconnaissance of the ground infrastructure of the enemy, as well as the possibility of laser targeting to numerous high-precision missile-bomb weapons weapons, for example, GBU-12 / 16 "Paveway II", Mk.13 / 18, etc. It is known that the modification of "IM", in accordance with the requirements of the air force of the Indian Air Force, received a decent reservation of the lower fuselage projection for protection from anti-aircraft artillery complexes and large-caliber machine guns of the enemy during flights with rounding of the terrain. Splinter durability of the cockpit canopy protects the pilot from 7,62-mm rifle and machine-guns. Indian functionality. But as it became clear even in the spring of 2017, the Indian HAL does not plan to stop there.

In particular, on June 7, 2017, with reference to the French portal "Defens'Aero", it became known that unofficial French-Indian negotiations were under way to sell 30 fuselages of SEPECAT "Jaguar" tactical fighters to the Indian side. The main purpose of their acquisition is the withdrawal of structural elements suitable for further operation to extend the service life of the Jaguars already in service, equipped with a DARIN-III PNS. What is hidden behind the contours of the glider of this "tactician" that the Indians want to keep the plane in the national air force for another 15 - 20 years?


The Jaguar GR.3 multipurpose strike fighter of the Royal Air Forces of the United Kingdom performs refueling in the air using a hose-cone system. One full refueling can increase the range of the car to almost 2700 km


First, it is an even more modern Israeli airborne radar with AFAR from Elta EL / M-2052, which they plan to install on most DARIN-III cars in the coming years. The station will open in front of fairly outdated supersonic attack aircraft unique tactical capabilities: target detection range with EPR within 1 - 3 and 2 will be on the order of 180 - 220 km with simultaneous tracking of air objects on the 64 aisle; large surface frigate / destroyer targets can be detected at a distance of 300 - 350 km. Active phased array, represented by 1500 transceiver modules with individually variable frequency and power, will allow working with maximum noise immunity when the enemy uses different types of interference (direction of the pattern may be “zeroed” in the source direction). Also, pilots of this Jaguar modification will be able to use the well-known broadband LPI radar mode of operation (with a low signal interception capability). It is worth noting here that it can only be effective against outdated irradiation warning stations of the SPO-15LM “Birch” type of indicator type, which are capable of bearing and classifying only a limited list of 6 radio-emitting sources in the range from 4400 to 10000 MHz; modern digitized open source software with the LPI regime is not so easy to fool.

As indicated in the advertising section of the official website of Israel Aerospace Industries (www.iai.co.il), thanks to the use of AFAR technology, the EL / M-2052 radar has a huge list of modes of operation critical for the 12th century wars. In particular, on par with modern airborne radar AN / APG-77 / 81 unobtrusive fighter F-22A and F-35A, the Israeli EL / M-2052 has such modes of operation as: SAR (synthetic aperture mode that allows you to map the terrain with a resolution order 2 - 3 m and the classification of ground objects), ISAR (inverse synthetic aperture mode, which allows to form a clear X-NUMXD radar image of the smallest surface objects due to carrier locking around the target being explored), GMTI (detection and tracking of moving ground targets), DBS (narrowing of the Doppler beam with increasing energy capabilities), meteorological reconnaissance, tracking mode for aerospace targets with high resolution, etc. We would not like to realize this, but in fact the EL / M-3 radar will be able to provide the Indian Jaguars of the DARIN-III version with a noticeable superiority over the Su-2052MK30 / IWC multi-purpose fighters in service with the Chinese Air Force. Cassegrain antenna Н2ВЭ / ВЭП.

In fairness, we note that the EL / M-2052 radar can raise the combat potential of the “Jaguar IS / IM” to the level of the highly accurate Su-34 bomber in attack operations, while the Israeli radar will enable the Jaguar to surpass our shock "Drying". We are absolutely not talking about the combat range and maximum combat load, in which the Su-34 with outboard fuel tanks is far ahead of any modification of the Jaguar, only the fact that the onboard radar with the passive HEADLIGHT X-NUMX Predator has where lower target detection range (fighter with 141 m1 EPR is detected at a distance of about 2 km, MBT - 100 - 35 km and destroyer-class ship - 45 km), noise immunity, and throughput (135 against 10 accompanied air targets in comparison Israeli EL / M-64). The accelerated update rates of the Indian “Jaguar IS / IT / IM” to the “DARIN-III” version can pose a significant threat to both the Pakistani air defense system and the fleet of multi-purpose JF-2052 Block I / II fighter jets that have not yet received the promising Chinese AFAR -radar KLJ-17A. There are many other advantages of the tactical fighter SEPECAT "Jaguar" in comparison with other machines of the same class.


After equipping the Jaguar Indian strike fighters of the DARIN-III modification with Israeli EL / M-2052 multi-function radars, the radial nose radome should noticeably increase in length and diameter, moreover, the machines will be able to use Israeli-made medium-range EADVDs of Israeli development, which have been in service with the Indian "Harrier"


Firstly, this is a high efficiency of the power plant, represented by two afterburner turbojet engines "Adour RT.172Mk.811" with a common thrust 7620 kgf. At the same time, the speed of the strike fighter can reach 1,45М at high altitude (taking into account the armament on the suspension nodes), which is comparable to the deck F-35C. With 4590 kilograms of fuel in the main and suspension tanks, as well as high-precision UAB / tactical missiles on 2's suspension points, the range of the Jaguar IS can reach 1320 km, which is much more than most famous attack aircraft and front-line bombers.

Secondly, the “Jaguar” strike fighter glider has a rather high structural strength, which allows high-speed maneuvers with overloads of the order of 9 - 9,5 units. (up to 12 units - for destruction): energy maneuvering is possible at speeds of 0,7 - 0,9М with weapons on the suspension. However, the small area of ​​the outgoing wing (24 m2) and thrust-to-weight ratio in 0,7 kgf / kg does not allow the machine to realize a high angular speed of turn and maintain it for close air combat with modern fighters such as FC-1 or J-10A. Close air combat can only be realized thanks to the integration of ultra-maneuverable short-range URVV AIM-9X Block II and Israeli “Python 5”. A very interesting detail is the possibility of installing 2-x wing-point suspension points instead of aerodynamic ridges; they can be used to deploy guided melee missiles.

Thirdly, compact “Jaguars” with a length of 16,42 m and a wingspan of 8,69 m have a rather small area of ​​the mid-section, and therefore their ESR does not exceed 2 m 2. In the case of airframe upgrades using radio-absorbing elements and coatings, the effective dispersion surface can be reduced to 0,8 - 1,2 м2, which will clearly correspond to the performance of the 4 + generation fighter. The radar signature can also be reduced. You can’t respond badly to the maximum combat load of the Jaguars, which comes to 4800 kg. For such a lightweight fighter, this is very good, considering that most of the equipment is a precision weapon. History Fighters of the Jaguar family began 54 a year ago with the formation by the French Air Force command of a tactical and technical assignment to develop a promising combat training aircraft (in the 1963 year); but despite this, the flights of the first prototypes of the Jaguar E / M / S modifications took place only in 1968 - 1971-m.

The baptism of the new tactical fighters took place 20 years later, during Operation Desert Storm. As you remember, the air operation began with a massive missile-bombing attack on strategically important Iraqi air defense facilities, where, in addition to Tomahawks, more than 400 tactical fighters were involved, representing the second “shock wave” of the OVS coalition led by the US Air Force. The EC11 squadron consisting of the 12 Jaguars played a significant role at this stage of the air operation. The vehicles struck a powerful bombing attack at the Ahmed al-Jabel base in the rounding mode of the terrain at an altitude of just 35 meters! Similar heights were used by the Falcons and the Needles by Hel Haavir during a pinpoint strike on the Iraqi Ozirak nuclear reactor. French cars came under heavy fire of anti-aircraft artillery complexes of the Iraqi Armed Forces, whose positions were at a distance of several hundred meters - a couple of kilometers from the Jaguars strike train. Most of the "tacticians" received serious damage, but despite this, she was able to suppress most of the Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery batteries in her area of ​​responsibility, after which she returned to Al-Asa.

An important role here was played by a twin-engine power plant, located in the engine nacelles, partially "dressed" in a titanium screen. Even today, this increases the survivability of the Jaguars over hostile territories teeming with enemy anti-aircraft missiles and anti-aircraft missiles. These structural elements, in conjunction with the currently integrated Israeli EL / M-2052 radar, will allow hundreds of Indian Jaguar DARIN-IIIs to pose a direct threat to air defense units of China and Pakistan deployed within 800 - 1200 km from joint with India for a very long time boundaries.

Information sources:
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/jaguaris.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/jaguargr3.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/jaguarim.html
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=17831
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  1. +9
    11 August 2017 07: 03
    Unfortunately for India, but it has all the programs associated with its own developments in the field of armament that begin with huge festivities, but end with a "zilch" ...
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    2. jjj
      +7
      11 August 2017 12: 12
      And the diversity of weapons systems can drive you crazy in the supply of consumables, ammunition, repair and maintenance
      1. +2
        11 August 2017 20: 35
        Well, with this we have no less ass, if not big (
    3. +6
      15 November 2017 23: 59
      Mixed in a bunch, horses, people ...
      What does the "vaunted" Hephaestus and the AN / APG-63 HEAD have to do with it? Comparison of green with wet?
      Yes, they installed a new radar on old planes, which is 1,8 times as much as the pea N-001 created under the king. This is a great achievement! But, for some reason, the respected author ignored EW stations, which are equipped with old and new Dryers and which reduce the capabilities of new phased arrays by 2 or more times to detect an enemy.
      But, since we are talking about Hephaestus - can the owners of these advanced HEADLIGHTS work out uncontrollable weapons on the ground with accuracy approaching Hephaestus?
      How many high-precision weapons are there in the arsenal of the “likely enemy”? Thousands? Tens of thousands? With a serious mess, this is enough for a week, well, for a maximum of a month.
      And then, excuse me, what will they do?
      Well, all right, and with what side did the 50-year-old light Jaguar suddenly become a level for the Su-34?
      And is everything so bad in creating the PHAR with us? Even 3-5 years ago, many violently branded the Russian authorities for their inability to create a fleet, cut money when creating Armata, T-50, Sarmat and hypersonic weapons. About our alleged backlog in electronic warfare, they almost sweared aloud, indicating that the S-300 does not shine during a raid. So what? The critics fell silent. The mace still flies, the Boreas are floating, hypersound at 8M has been reached, the mosquito fleet is overwhelming with the calibers of the igilovites. Krauchs, Leers, Mercury and Titmouses with Residents of the A2 / D2 zone create ... And much more, about which information leaked. But what didn’t it leak?
      No, it’s necessary, they didn’t inform Comrade Damantsev in time about new developments. So he talks about how everything is bad with us.
      Or is he participating in a strategic plan to knock money out of the defense budget of the Russian Federation?
      Of course, I’m not Stanislavsky, but ... Why, I don’t believe it!
      1. +2
        1 December 2017 17: 51
        These tens of thousands can solve all problems in a couple of days, do not flatter yourself. Underestimating the enemy is always expensive. But at the current level of technology, a sudden and massive attack is generally fatal.
    4. +4
      1 December 2017 17: 49
      We do not have to think about India in the first place, but about our Air Force (VKS). And then after reading the article abusive words are not enough. True scary, if that's the case. Zadolbali articles already fool, which we are cool around. You need to be realistic and practically solve problems in everything.
  2. +20
    11 August 2017 07: 39
    What is the connection between Hephaestus mounted on bombers and fighter radar?
    Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
    the author ass with a finger compares.
    1. 0
      11 August 2017 07: 59
      Hephaestus is an aiming complex ... And the radar, well, we will master the AFAR and put Sukhoi. There will be a problem in Pakistan, near China. They will put AFAR on all their aircraft.
      1. +9
        11 August 2017 08: 44
        Quote: Zaurbek
        A radar, well, master AFAR

        The headlamp is cheaper, but the functionality is the same, on the Su-34 such a station.
        I just climbed into Wikipedia, I understand that this is not a source, but this article is also not a source.
        The radar station of the Su-34 Sh-141 aircraft is designed to detect ground and air targets. Detection Range:

        large ground targets up to 200-250 km,
        typical ground targets up to 150 km [,
        with identification of the type of target as “potential tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on a caterpillar track” up to 75 km,
        large air targets without stealth technologies such as "transport aircraft" is up to 250 km,
        small fighter-type air targets up to 90 km

        Plus, there are mapping, electronic warfare, highlighting targets for long-range missiles (which is useful for cover fighters) and other nonsense.
        1. +1
          14 November 2017 17: 31
          reliability - out of 1500 modules (PPM), at least half will fail, the radar will work, albeit with reduced potential
          1500 modules will radiate in different directions - both on the ground and in the air, and at least in space - and at the same time, providing the crew with an unsurpassed degree of situational awareness
          some of the modules can work as electronic warfare - emit interference
          beam frequencies can change a thousand times per second, thereby preventing adversary identification
        2. +1
          14 November 2017 17: 32
          The main advantage of AESA is logistics and SWAP (size, weight, capacity). With PESA, you have one powerful amplifier, such as Klystron or TWT. These are older devices that require intensive cooling and are very prone to crashes. And when your only source of RF gain falls, your whole radar falls, and you are blind. They are expensive, fragile, and one point of failure. Thanks to AESA, your “powerful” gain is now split between thousands of solid state devices. Some of these AESA elements may fail, and the overall performance of AESA will be virtually unchanged.
          With PESA, you need a precision set of waveguides to receive a high power signal from a common gain source to all phase shifters. This ultimately makes the radar larger, it has special spatial limitations, it is heavier and harder to manufacture. AESA radars only require a flat panel with all the elements installed. Think of it as a frame with a connected circuit board circuit. The panel can be separated from REX and connected only to cables, which makes it easier to integrate them on different platforms.
          AESA also allows the use of solid state devices to generate and amplify RF. Separate solid state devices were never able to generate the power needed for a single source for a PESA radar. But when you are divided into thousands of elements, now you can use the solid state, and you will get much better radar efficiency and be able to take advantage of modern solid-state achievements in silicon technology.
          https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-diffe … ltaneously
          1. 0
            16 November 2017 00: 32
            And do not tell me who is the leader in solid-state microwave technology?
            Here ROFAR looms, maybe AFAR will not be needed in a couple of years?
            Maybe it’s not worth it?
      2. +4
        14 November 2017 01: 57
        Quote: Zaurbek
        .A radar, well, master AFAR and put Sukhoi

        AFAR can and should be mastered, but by the year 19 a prototype of ROFAR will be ready, in comparison with which AFAR is generally not at the box office. And I think that ROFARs will put on the SU-30, SU-35, MIG-35, MIG-29SM and SU-57 ...
        1. +2
          4 January 2018 15: 02
          "In the year 19, a prototype of ROFAR will be ready" ///

          It is a myth.
      3. 0
        16 November 2017 00: 29
        And with Unmanaged means, will these AFARs be as effective as Hephaestus?
        How many NATO or India or Pakistan and China arsenals of precision-guided high-precision ammunition in the air? Tens of thousands? And in operational readiness? And how long will this arsenal last in case of a serious batch?
        1. +1
          16 November 2017 10: 42
          AFAR (like any radar) is responsible for target search, mapping, jamming .... it maps with very high accuracy 1-3 meters ... accordingly, it can find and classify targets (in a very short time) and give target designation to such systems as HEPHEST (or corr ammunition) .... on the Su-34/24 it makes an ordinary radar ... with a shorter range, detail, stealth, noise immunity. Something like this.
  3. +3
    11 August 2017 08: 05
    Yesterday at the tank biathlon, both T90s of the Indian assembly - Broke. This is to the quality of the Indian assembly. The author is very worried about the unavailability of our aircraft. Respect to him, but all is very joyless. Is everything so bad?
    1. ZVO
      +6
      11 August 2017 09: 18
      Quote: Petrik66
      Yesterday at the tank biathlon, both T90s of the Indian assembly - Broke. This is to the quality of the Indian assembly. The author is very worried about the unavailability of our aircraft. Respect to him, but all is very joyless. Is everything so bad?


      The T-90 broke ... And it doesn’t matter whose assembly it is. He is considered the T-90 Russian tank all over the world ...
      Trying to get away that the Indians are to blame is to lie ...
      So they didn’t follow the technology, so the Indians weren’t really trained ...
      Minus is Russia and its T-90 tank.
      ... and not some sort of assembly fitter or mechanic driver who ditched the car.

      This is how it looks, whether you like it or not.
      Analogy.
      VAZs, GAZes, UAZs are also scolding, and do not think about who is to blame for the 20 thousandth plant collective, almost 200 thousandth collective of suppliers-subcontractors.
      And it is right. you can not perfectly configure the system and support it - accept the jambs to your address honestly and deservedly.
      1. +7
        11 August 2017 11: 44
        Minus goes to Russia and its T-90 tank

        And the minus option for the crew, which either did not prepare the car for the race or who did not operate it correctly, was not considered? Kuwait’s fighting Bedouins thrust their tank into the ground. And before that, for 2 years in a row, the tank was turned over at a bend. T-72 is also complete crap?
        1. +1
          11 August 2017 11: 49
          Quote: Berkut24
          And the minus option for the crew, which either did not prepare the car for the race or who did not operate it correctly, was not considered?

          To do this, it is worth figuring out what failed on these tanks.
          1. +3
            11 August 2017 12: 08
            The last time, a flight sampling showed that the Indians flew off a caterpillar due to a crazy turn that the Indians somehow missed while reading (or not reading at all) the operating instructions. There was another jamb - the engine stalled. A water hammer occurred when the driver entered the pool with water just as crazy.
            1. +3
              11 August 2017 12: 12
              Quote: Berkut24
              A water hammer occurred when the driver entered the pool with water just as crazy.

              He is NOT EXTRAORDINARY, but in violation of the same operating instructions, he did it, it clearly spells out how to DO NOT DEEP FORD
              1. +5
                11 August 2017 12: 15
                Well, as if I'm talking about that. You can ruin any technique, the Indians traditionally have a good relationship with the spirits and do not add up to the technique.
            2. +7
              11 August 2017 14: 19
              Quote: Berkut24
              when the driver also flew crazy into the pool of water.

              what a gentle tank, the instruction is not subdued - go on foot, having no analogues in the world!
      2. +5
        11 August 2017 11: 48
        Quote: ZVO
        The T-90 broke ... And it doesn’t matter whose assembly it is. He is considered the T-90 Russian tank all over the world ...
        Trying to get away that the Indians are to blame is to lie ...

        In no way. And you didn’t wonder, why didn’t our tank break down? After all, in fact, the difference between the T-90 and T-72 in the towers, and the chassis and other elements are unified. Apparently, it’s not stopping our team from taking the second team to the T-90 for the next biathlon.
      3. 0
        11 August 2017 11: 49
        do not confuse flies and bees. Indians brought a lightweight version of the t-90, which means that no one really understood. However, even that rally from the rutting bridge at maximum speed could lead to anything, or forgot how the rollers fell off from China?
        1. jjj
          0
          11 August 2017 12: 10
          Exactly. As I recall, it was assumed that the organizers will include an element of competition for strength. And so it happened
        2. +2
          11 August 2017 12: 14
          Quote: Lance
          do not confuse flies and bees. Indians brought a lightweight version of the t-90, which means that no one really understood.

          With "relief" it is more or less clear, they produced it at the expense of remote sensing, but something tells me that they "got it right" with the adjustments of the engine. Well, it’s just that the engine cannot “boil” when the others do not.
      4. +1
        13 August 2017 13: 36
        AK, too, wherever they want. But the Chinese take well, very poor countries. And the question is metal. But Russian (Soviet) - with joy. You, too, buying a thing, look where it is produced
      5. +3
        14 November 2017 02: 00
        Quote: ZVO
        The T-90 broke ... And it doesn’t matter whose assembly it is. He is considered the T-90 Russian tank all over the world ...

        If you give a fool a glass member, he will either break it or cut himself. Here it is precisely the question of the operation of the machine and the professionalism of the tankers. And Porsche with Ferarry smash the fools.
      6. +2
        14 November 2017 02: 07
        Quote: ZVO
        Minus is Russia and its T-90 tank.

        Minus goes to the crooked hands of Indian tankers and the system of education and training. The machine does not break down itself, it is broken by the person who operates it. And if he is a fool, then even give Kalash into his hands, he will either bend him or shoot himself with a fool ..
    2. +1
      11 August 2017 12: 02
      the article is really interesting, in our country as it is customary not to put advanced developments on old machines or bring to the standard the already set example su -24. but with what the su-57 11planer flies .... they are silent. I would like to hear the opinions of our flyers, who are now serving.
    3. 0
      12 August 2017 06: 35
      Well, in any case, it was. The war in 2008 showed this. It’s hard to say now in ten years. We always lagged behind in the field of avionics.
      Quote: Petrik66
      Yesterday at the tank biathlon, both T90s of the Indian assembly - Broke. This is to the quality of the Indian assembly. The author is very worried about the unavailability of our aircraft. Respect to him, but all is very joyless. Is everything so bad?
    4. +4
      14 August 2017 18: 14
      We can’t be good! This great British have an old Jaguar "with a flick of the wrist" turns into an ideal fighter and attack aircraft all rolled into one. Just change the engine and avionics ... Business then.
      And here, everything is bad! Hephaestus - sucks, PFAR even more sucks - out, even Jaguar, however, after an elegant movement of the hand, can surpass it in detection range and something else.
      It’s time to think about installing new engines and avionics on the Mig-27, but why there - on the Mig 21!
      Although, by definition, it will turn out badly for us. Not like the great Indians.
      Toscaaaaa
      1. 0
        15 August 2017 09: 08
        Here they’ve taken it off ... And the MiG-23 and 27 can still run and run (I’m silent about the AFAR equipment, there isn’t it yet ...)
        SPECIFICATIONS
        General characteristics
        Name MiG-23-98
        Code n/a
        Developer OKB them. A.I. Mikoyan, JSC "Fazotron-NIIR" and GosNIIAS
        Manufacturer n/a
        The first flight of 1999
        Adoption date n/a
        Production modernization
        Crew, people. 1
        Weight and size characteristics
        Empty weight, kg 10900
        Take-off weight, kg normal - 14700, maximum - 18400
        Mass of fuel, kg n/a
        Length, m 16.7
        Wingspan, m minimum - 7.8, maximum - 14
        Height, m ​​4.35
        Wing area, sq.m minimum - 23.35, maximum - 35.5
        weaponry
        Aircraft gun 23-mm automatic gun GSh-23L
        Combat load, kg on 5 hardpoints - 2000, maximum - 4500
        Armament on the external suspension of the air-to-air missiles of medium and close combat,
        air-to-radar missiles, adjustable air bombs,
        anti-ship missiles
        Engine and flight characteristics
        Engine TRDF R-35-300
        Engine thrust without afterburner, kgf 8550
        Afterburner engine thrust, kgf 13000
        Maximum speed at altitude up to 3 km, km/h 1400
        Maximum speed at an altitude of 10 km, km/h 2450
        Cruise speed, km/h n/a
        The radius of combat use, km 1470
        Ferry range, km 2820
        Takeoff run, m 500
        Run length, m 750
        Maximum rate of climb, m/s 215
        Practical ceiling, km 18.6
        Maximum overload, g 8.5
        1. +2
          14 November 2017 02: 03
          Quote: Zaurbek
          (I’m silent about the AFAR equipment, there isn’t it yet ...)


          Radio-optical phased array antenna (ROFAR)


          Developer: Concern Radioelectronic Technologies, Russia


          ROFAR - a system developed on the basis of photon technologies, significantly expands the capabilities of communications and radars: it allows more than halving the mass of equipment relative to the used radar equipment and at the same time increasing the resolution by ten times, using an ultra-wideband signal allows you to get almost a television image in radar range, the transition to high-frequency radio range makes it possible to detect objects invisible in the optical range.


          In addition, ROFAR technologies have increased speed, energy efficiency, high noise immunity, and resistance to electromagnetic pulses.


          Media application

          Surface vessels
          Submarines
          Aircraft
          Helicopters
          Spacecraft
          Ground tracking and control stations
          Missile systems, missile defense, air defense
          Electronics
          IT
          Робототехника
          Medicine
          Quality control

          This is the topic for you to think about AFAR.
          1. 0
            14 November 2017 17: 35
            We did our AFAR, but now they are tormented with foreign chips with mass production (This is 50% success) .... But ROFAR, I personally am skeptical ...
  4. 0
    11 August 2017 08: 37
    Nobody has canceled bookmarks yet.
  5. +6
    11 August 2017 11: 19
    Well, now everything is definitely gone!
    Quote: ZVO
    VAZ, GAZ, UAZ scolded too
    Well, according to your logic, then it’s not the VAZ that needs to be blamed, but the FIAT did not inspect, did not overlook, and did not finish it! And to the heap is not GAZ but Ford (if memory serves)
    1. +3
      11 August 2017 14: 22
      Quote: Rey_ka
      Well, according to your logic, then it’s not the VAZ that needs to be blamed, but the FIAT did not inspect, did not overlook, and did not finish it! And to the heap is not GAZ but Ford (if memory serves)

      if Fiat or Ford miss a marriage, they arrange a global recall of cars, with TAsovaz, in this case, everything is limited to a global corporate party with presentation of bonuses ...
  6. 0
    11 August 2017 12: 13
    Well, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted! We’ll wait and see what happens, on paper everything always goes smoothly, and the final result, as they say “is just around the corner”.
  7. +5
    11 August 2017 12: 16
    Quote: Gray Brother
    HEADLIGHT is cheaper, but the functionality is the same

    The function is not the same, why lie so brazenly?

    What is insulting - the USSR was a pioneer and trendsetter in the development of technologies for AFR / AFAR, but the Russian Federation in this regard has “drained polymers”, is in the position of catching up without a serial aviation radar with AFAR in 2017.

    And fools like you also praise this lag, in the worst traditions of pan-patriotic patriots, who have been beaten around.
    1. +3
      11 August 2017 13: 13
      Quote: serverny
      The function is not the same, why lie so brazenly?

      The active lattice has small radiation sources and they are located on the lattice itself, for a simple phased one large but powerful however this radiation is distributed one fig into separate elements of the lattice - the result is the same.
      The difference is only in size (less active), cost, and implicit in reliability - if one element fails on the active, then this is not scary, but for a simply phased one it’s kapets.
      1. +4
        11 August 2017 19: 40
        Do not forget that on the AFAR it is possible to regulate each APM in terms of power and frequency, but on the AFAR it is not. This gives a very serious advantage in stealth. Due to this, the AFAR can lead and capture more objects, which you will agree is important.
  8. +7
    11 August 2017 12: 26
    Maybe the author is somewhat right. But! Tell me, why do our planes equipped with the Hephaestus SVP-24 sighting system deliver targeted hits on the militants, and the mattress coalition with all their high-precision weapons bombing villages with residents, hospitals, schools, excavators and so on, which is not military at all?
    Maybe "it wasn’t the bobbin, but the cancer was in the cockpit"? smile Yes
    But woodpeckers and murderers do not care what kind of scope they use, because they will fall not where it is necessary, but where it will fall. Yes
    1. +5
      11 August 2017 14: 26
      Yes, because the author dlbeb blt .....
    2. +1
      12 August 2017 19: 12
      see less zombie box
    3. +1
      13 August 2017 07: 12
      Do not confuse the aimed blow and target designation. Where they told Ameri pilots - they bombed there. And they bomb many times more accurately and more efficiently than ours. And the fact that targets were incorrectly identified by intelligence is intelligence problems.

      Our Ministry of Defense itself uploaded a video of the bombing of granaries and sewage treatment plants - also a flood.
      1. +2
        13 August 2017 10: 15
        Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
        Do not confuse the aimed blow and target designation.

        And do not confuse here? If the brow in the cockpit is instructed to strike, do not care where, if only there, then at least some kind of sight will be with target designations. Moreover, they, as they themselves wrote and said, use data from social networks.
      2. +2
        14 August 2017 16: 48
        Strange you. The “democratic community” does not spread the elevators gouged by our aviation. So this is not. And about his, spreads out, then there is. So it turns out that ours is not yours. That's about your own and write specifically: "American aviation accurately and accurately bombed the Syrian elevators." And do not mislead us.
      3. 0
        14 August 2017 18: 24
        Can you confirm the "highest accuracy" of American bombing attacks in Syria and Iraq?
        Well, let's say a video of the “most accurate defeat” of a peaceful excavating military excavator or a terribly aggressive hospital?
        I saw online videos from Americans, but they turned out to be a copy of our videos, for some reason.
    4. mvg
      +3
      13 August 2017 13: 14
      Or maybe it’s the media coverage of the situation? Where each miss of a ... friend’s miss is illuminated, and their logs are hidden in the eye.
  9. +6
    11 August 2017 14: 26
    I have not seen such a garbage collection in one article for a long time .... Pf ...
  10. +5
    11 August 2017 15: 05
    What nonsense. Compare the capabilities of the Su-34 with the Jaguar. Machines of different generations with completely different combat capabilities. Of course, you can spend money and improve the old car, but no matter how much you upgrade the avionics, do not upgrade the glider, it will remain the same, improved Jaguar with all its inherent flaws. The question is simple. Does the improved Jaguar fit today. I think that does not correspond, although only combat use will give the correct answer.
    1. 0
      11 August 2017 16: 44
      Quote: Theseus
      only combat use will give the correct answer.

      Especially if the war will be soon, immediately after modernization.
    2. 52
      +2
      11 August 2017 17: 06
      So, the MiG-27 Indians have already broken everything ... So the Jaguars came in handy.
    3. +2
      12 August 2017 10: 16
      Quote: Theseus
      What nonsense.

      Exactly. What is the point of talking about the "Jaguar" which is universally decommissioned and remained only in India. But even there this very new aircraft will most likely be written off in the coming years.
      Quote: SergF123
      Such a collection of garbage in one article quite a while did not meet ....

      And you have not tried to go to this author's profile:
      https://topwar.ru/user/Fulcrum29/news/
      Perhaps the content of the articles Damantseva affects the residence of the author in Ukraine.
  11. +2
    11 August 2017 18: 02
    Quote: ZVO
    Quote: Petrik66
    Yesterday at the tank biathlon, both T90s of the Indian assembly - Broke. This is to the quality of the Indian assembly. The author is very worried about the unavailability of our aircraft. Respect to him, but all is very joyless. Is everything so bad?


    The T-90 broke ... And it doesn’t matter whose assembly it is. He is considered the T-90 Russian tank all over the world ...
    Trying to get away that the Indians are to blame is to lie ...
    So they didn’t follow the technology, so the Indians weren’t really trained ...
    Minus is Russia and its T-90 tank.
    ... and not some sort of assembly fitter or mechanic driver who ditched the car.

    This is how it looks, whether you like it or not.
    Analogy.
    VAZs, GAZes, UAZs are also scolding, and do not think about who is to blame for the 20 thousandth plant collective, almost 200 thousandth collective of suppliers-subcontractors.
    And it is right. you can not perfectly configure the system and support it - accept the jambs to your address honestly and deservedly.

    And when the Turkish assembly Mercedes, Chinese cars with Japanese engines break down, do you think the Germans and Japanese are to blame ?.
    1. ZVO
      +2
      12 August 2017 10: 18
      Quote: Oleg Salov

      And when the Turkish assembly Mercedes, Chinese cars with Japanese engines break down, do you think the Germans and Japanese are to blame ?.


      If Mercedes broke, then Mercedes broke.
      And it does not matter whose assembly it is.
      Turkish. German and so on. The stain falls on Mercedes, but not on some Hans. Mustafa, Lee, Ivan ...
      So do you understand?
      Or the habit of always looking for the extreme everywhere, and not understanding what the image of the company, the image of the state is the norm for you?
    2. 0
      12 August 2017 12: 40
      "I didn’t do anything! It itself broke."
      Breaking from the word "scrap". When scrap is inserted into a Japanese (but no matter what) chainsaw, it will inevitably “break”.
      Any tool, especially a complex system, objectively has operational limitations, but savages (no matter what nationality) ignore the instructions to the user (user).
    3. +1
      18 August 2017 09: 00
      Well what are you. In this case, the Russian hackers are to blame. Russians in general are always and to blame for everything. Not trained, not tuned, not done for ... and generally aggressive saboteurs
  12. +1
    12 August 2017 11: 32
    “Moreover, while our Su-27SM combatant combat facilities are still at the same level as the early F-15C, the updated Needles / Strike Needles have long reached the Su-30SM performance equipped with the Bars N011M radar. "-bad, not ???

    N011M is something based on PFAR.
    Needles / Strike Needles have long been flying with AFAR.

    1. mvg
      +1
      13 August 2017 13: 17
      Just started to rearm on AFAR. They plan to upgrade about 270 pcs. The article was from Falcon. AFAR at SA costs F-15SA.
  13. +1
    12 August 2017 11: 47
    Well, everything is as usual: if the dithyrambs are sung in an article without any analogue, then in the comments the expected friendly URA! But if, in the article, the author, God forbid, allow himself to criticize the "have no analogues" and at least try to point out the existing problems and the real state of things, then everything ... begins: the author is incompetent, does not understand anything ... and some individuals even allow themselves to go on personal insults ..
  14. +1
    31 August 2017 00: 20
    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13510/india-
    wants-to-breath-extra-life-into-old-jaguar-jets-w
    ith-new-radar (in English): "India said on August 9 it successfully tested a modified Jaguar multipurpose aircraft using electronically scanned active radar (AESA) with foreign participation."
    . The radar comes with new Israeli displays, avionics and a modern electronic warfare system. For 120 Jaguars, new engines are also planned, supplied by the American Honeywell, worth about $ 3 billion. Each Honeywell F-125N engine delivers 43,8 KiloNewtons (kN) traction, significantly less than 32,5 kN from Rolls-Royce engines
    1. +1
      24 December 2017 18: 53
      Quote: Oleg7700
      http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13510/india-
      wants-to-breath-extra-life-into-old-jaguar-jets-w
      ith-new-radar (in English): "India said on August 9 it successfully tested a modified Jaguar multipurpose aircraft using electronically scanned active radar (AESA) with foreign participation."
      . The radar comes with new Israeli displays, avionics and a modern electronic warfare system. For 120 Jaguars, new engines are also planned, supplied by the American Honeywell, worth about $ 3 billion. Each Honeywell F-125N engine delivers 43,8 KiloNewtons (kN) traction, significantly less than 32,5 kN from Rolls-Royce engines

      Oleg7700. Well, yes, well, yes - they tucked something into a piece of the old duralumin of shaggy years and got a harmonious modern aircraft ?! The article finally about something called small modernization of this IBA. And some of them got rid of the crazy breakthrough of the Indian - Israeli - British design idea. And do not want to tell how much such an upgrade will cost, with new avionics. Avionics, radio, av. DU? Do not tell me? No, of course it’s very cool (for capitalists) if there is a country that wants to screw it up, all this in English 1970s shaggy ear glider . Who thought how much you kill the fuselage resource? This is an option.
      1. 0
        24 December 2017 22: 04
        I am not an expert in these matters and I can’t judge - it’s just, the Indians, the information, but they can still change many times, as is customary with them. Have a nice new year to you.
        1. 0
          27 December 2017 00: 22
          Same to you.
  15. 0
    2 September 2017 13: 20
    Nothing new. At one time, India tried to revive the old MIG21 to the level of modern machines, having developed the MIG21-93 with Russian participation. There were new engines, new avionics, radars, etc. How did it end? Right, NOTHING. You can draw any pictures on a computer; Indian programmers are known all over the world.
  16. BVS
    +1
    11 September 2017 10: 16
    Quote: K-50
    Maybe the author is somewhat right. But! Tell me, why do our planes equipped with the Hephaestus SVP-24 sighting system deliver targeted hits on the militants, and the mattress coalition with all their high-precision weapons bombing villages with residents, hospitals, schools, excavators and so on, which is not military at all?
    Maybe "it wasn’t the bobbin, but the cancer was in the cockpit"? smile Yes
    But woodpeckers and murderers do not care what kind of scope they use, because they will fall not where it is necessary, but where it will fall. Yes

    This is only so, according to reports in the Russian media, and according to reports in the Western media, everything is exactly the same. No one has yet canceled the propaganda. And as the classic wrote, do not read our newspapers in the morning!
  17. 0
    24 December 2017 20: 17
    A strange article, piled everything up and through the times the Russian Air Force, dunk in shit. And the military-industrial complex and even more so.
  18. 0
    30 December 2017 00: 19
    When an OLS appears at least close in characteristics to Shamshir, it can fix the “invisibility” to the OLS on SU-34 at a distance of up to 90 km in the rear and up to 30–40 km in the front hemisphere. You can discuss something and dream up.
  19. 0
    30 December 2017 00: 25
    Quote: Vlad.by
    Mixed in a bunch, horses, people ...
    What does the "vaunted" Hephaestus and the AN / APG-63 HEAD have to do with it? Comparison of green with wet?
    Yes, they installed a new radar on old planes, which is 1,8 times as much as the pea N-001 created under the king. This is a great achievement! But, for some reason, the respected author ignored EW stations, which are equipped with old and new Dryers and which reduce the capabilities of new phased arrays by 2 or more times to detect an enemy.
    But, since we are talking about Hephaestus - can the owners of these advanced HEADLIGHTS work out uncontrollable weapons on the ground with accuracy approaching Hephaestus?
    How many high-precision weapons are there in the arsenal of the “likely enemy”? Thousands? Tens of thousands? With a serious mess, this is enough for a week, well, for a maximum of a month.
    And then, excuse me, what will they do?
    Well, all right, and with what side did the 50-year-old light Jaguar suddenly become a level for the Su-34?
    And is everything so bad in creating the PHAR with us? Even 3-5 years ago, many violently branded the Russian authorities for their inability to create a fleet, cut money when creating Armata, T-50, Sarmat and hypersonic weapons. About our alleged backlog in electronic warfare, they almost sweared aloud, indicating that the S-300 does not shine during a raid. So what? The critics fell silent. The mace still flies, the Boreas are floating, hypersound at 8M has been reached, the mosquito fleet is overwhelming with the calibers of the igilovites. Krauchs, Leers, Mercury and Titmouses with Residents of the A2 / D2 zone create ... And much more, about which information leaked. But what didn’t it leak?
    No, it’s necessary, they didn’t inform Comrade Damantsev in time about new developments. So he talks about how everything is bad with us.
    Or is he participating in a strategic plan to knock money out of the defense budget of the Russian Federation?
    Of course, I’m not Stanislavsky, but ... Why, I don’t believe it!

    Also Damantsev did not mention anything about OLS. Or for him it does not matter.
  20. 0
    21 July 2018 10: 34
    I would like to ask the author of the article - do you know what metal fatigue is? When the airplane is about 50 years old, its further modernization raises very strong doubts. A large, expensive upgrade, with a lot of money invested, is generally very dangerous stupidity. And given the Native American realities - a lot of noise and little use, then generally from the realm of fiction. How many little gods do they sculpt their “tejas”?