A real gift for Moscow

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A real gift for Moscow


On the maps of the Russian Empire in the 19 century, Little Russia is referred to the European part of Russia as a region of the same type as Russian Novorossia located to the south.




The beginning of the conversation should not just be supported and expanded, all the interested forces and individuals should make every effort so that the Little Russia project gets the prospect of implementation.

You can, of course, concentrate on the name - successful or not - of the Little Russia state, whose construction was suddenly announced some time ago by the leadership of the Donetsk People's Republic.

The outlandish project caused not that misunderstanding, rather, surprise among Russian officials.


However, there was no sharp rejection, which may be evidence of the importance of the problem itself, which is not publicly discussed in Russia, but its presence is beyond doubt. The question is formulated very simply: “What to do with Ukraine?”

We will have to look for an answer to it anyway, since the preservation for long years of territory that breathes hatred of Russia, dreams of military revenge, causing maximum damage to its neighbor, is ready to conclude an alliance with the devil for this — this is a direct threat to the security of our country.

The reaction of residents of the Donetsk People’s Republic to the initiative of Alexander Zakharchenko is very characteristic. For the most part, it caused irritation among people, since more than three years of war, which claimed thousands of lives, would seem to have destroyed any chance of the coexistence of Donbass and Ukraine within the same state.

On the one hand, this is true, since the population of the region places the responsibility for a wild, ridiculous, bloody military operation not only on the Ukrainian leadership, but also on the Ukrainian citizens who either support Kiev’s policies or prefer to keep silent. In any case, not protesting.

On the other hand, just forgetting about the existence of a sick state infected with Nazism, erasing its very name, alas, will not work, because Ukraine daily, every hour continues to remind itself of itself, firing at the Donbass settlements, multiplying the number of wounded and killed.

Probably, in this mode, it is possible to exist for quite a long time, provided that a certain constant intensity of military operations is preserved - say, a couple of hundred shelling, two killed, several wounded a day. It would not be very pleasant, but the relatively stable existence of most of the residents of Donbass, as the experience of the war has shown, can be maintained in such conditions.

The problem is that Ukraine is not bound by any constant in its actions, and its desire to crush, tear apart the two rebel republics only increases, being closely linked to the deterioration of the situation on its territory itself - to the increase in internal contradictions, the collapse of the economy, progressive poverty. rampant crime.

It is clear that for three years there have been constraints that do not allow the Ukrainian army to simply take and go on the offensive, but when Kiev considers that he is able to win, the troops will immediately be thrown onto the battlefield.

Living with the understanding that you are sharing living space with an enemy who is just waiting for the moment to destroy you is not too comfortable, but for people who need to build a strategy for the region to exist for years to come, it’s unwise.

The project "Little Russia" is just the answer to many questions


arising in a situation where a neighbor has to have a deadly, torn apart by internal problems, a hostile, ruined state and wind. It will still be necessary to admonish, treat, revive Ukraine, and the only one who has this moral right and all legal grounds is the Donbass, who has fallen victim to military aggression, which continues to take the lives of his sons and daughters.

For example, Russia's intervention will be perceived in Ukraine as an invasion from the outside. Accordingly, resistance to such an invasion is inevitable. Yes, in fact, Moscow - and this is absolutely obvious - no plans for the healing of the patient who has fallen into a rage and are not carrying them. Too much cost.

Bills for incurred losses, for irreparable losses must be suffered by the victim himself, and Little Russia is a kind of list of Ukrainian sins to be eradicated. Of course, the stakes are too high to the limit, but this is not surprising in the context of a war that lasts several years.

The name "Ukraine" is abolished, because it is now firmly associated with thousands and thousands of war crimes committed under the guise of this public entity.

The capital is transferred to Donetsk, which also looks quite logical, since Kiev is a springboard for a coup d'état that led to tragic consequences. The ban of Nazism and Bandera is an inevitable and mandatory measure that will only allow the mind to be returned to the millions of people living in the territory being deactivated.

It is clear that now this program written in detail seems unrealizable, utopia. But the conversation about the disinfection of the colossal space, which was subjected to the invasion of the spirits of the anger of heaven, will still have to be conducted, because in its current insanity Ukraine threatens not only Donbas.

She openly declares her desire to see Russia defeated and trampled. It is clear that these are only dreams, but let us remember how many troubles the Chechen militants did in the period between the two wars. And the fact that, sooner or later, the Bandera rabble will come to the conclusion that it is necessary to carry out terrorist acts on Russian territory, it would be strange to doubt.

Therefore, the fact that Donetsk declares its responsibility for the treatment of the patient is a real gift for Moscow. The beginning of the conversation should not just be supported and expanded, all the interested forces and individuals should make every effort so that the Little Russia project gets the prospect of implementation.
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  1. +9
    10 August 2017 05: 57
    Zhirinovsky is right to create provinces ..
    1. +10
      10 August 2017 07: 35
      Quote: 210ox
      it's time to create a province ..

      It is high time. The federal structure of the country (Lenin’s “gift”) is a prerequisite for its collapse. The first part of the Marmaisonan ballet we all watched in 1991.
      And the number of "presidents" in the country is going wild.
      1. +3
        10 August 2017 08: 59
        Yes, and the number of "presidents"

        two actually remained ... actually the President of the Russian Federation and the President of the Republic of Tatarstan ... and Tatarstan seems ready to abandon this name of the Head of the Republic ...
        1. +4
          10 August 2017 12: 44
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The federal structure of the country (Lenin’s “gift”) is a prerequisite for its collapse.

          The country (Empire) first fell apart, and only then Lenin drew. They dragged the country to parts of the generals.
          So, do not beat the sir sir.
          Now someone can explain why the Black Sea coast should become part of Russia? Moscow will start milking this region like everyone else. For some time, perhaps a free economic zone will be created there. But Muscovites will rule everything.
          Why Moscow understands this.
          But why is Odessa residents for example? Now Kiev rules it will be replaced by Moscow and? What will residents get?
          Just don't talk about jobs. This is gypsy. It is low to offer jobs instead of property and free enterprise.
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            1. 0
              10 August 2017 13: 45
              Quote: Whitesnow
              In short, you are sir woodpecker.
              Argument! wassat
              Go on thumping further.
          2. +7
            10 August 2017 14: 25
            Quote: For example
            The country (Empire) first fell apart, and only then Lenin drew. They dragged the country to parts of the generals. So, do not smack the sir sir.
            Nonsense seems to be engaged by you for a long time. You about the federal structure of the USSR, and you about the empire fell apart ...
            Quote: For example
            Just don't talk about jobs. This is gypsy. It's low to offer jobs instead of ownership and free enterprise
            Tin! Correct the pot, otherwise it’s gone to the side ... It’s not to face this free entrepreneur!
          3. +6
            10 August 2017 16: 20
            Quote: For example
            The country (Empire) first fell apart, and only then Lenin drew
            Learn the history of the formation of the republics of the USSR.
            Quote: For example
            So, do not beat the sir sir.

            Then you don’t need to squeal pleasantly when they flog you! wink
            Quote: For example
            Moscow will start milking this region like everyone else.

            Then can give everything so that Muscovites would not milk?
            Compare the standard of living when milking Moscow and milking Kiev.
            1. +2
              10 August 2017 17: 09
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: For example
              The country (Empire) first fell apart, and only then Lenin drew
              Learn the history of the formation of the republics of the USSR.

              Ingvar, the republics of the USSR were formed ten years after the death of Lenin.
              Poland and Finland split off as a result of the abdication of the king and the coming to power of the interim government.
              Learn the history of your country before teaching
              Quote: Stanislav
              You about the federal structure of the USSR, and you about the empire fell apart ...

              Stanislav, the federal republic within the USSR was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. After the collapse of the USSR, it was this Federation that remained within its borders.
              You also learn history before opening your mouth.
              1. +1
                10 August 2017 17: 45
                Russia exists within its borders only thanks to the federal structure. The Russian Empire collapsed due to unitarity. SSR artificial education built on the utopia of the union of the republics with the unitary principle of managing all the republics from Moscow.
                Talking about the federal system of the USSR is the height of ignorance or banal illiteracy.
                Any more or less owner wants independence. Only combining strong entities on a federal basis gives stability. An example is the USA, Germany and modern Russia.
                In this troika, Russia is inclined towards a unitary management system and the federal structure is still only on paper. But it is this paper base that makes it possible to look to the future. Not the nuclear weapons and the army, but namely the agreement between the strong business entities, the prospect of the existence of Russia.

                With the collapse of the USSR, the army also fell apart. Immediately. Army tool in the hands of politicians. No more.

                Ukraine is invited to become a federation, but it wants to fall apart unitarily. Yugoslavia is an example to them.
                1. +4
                  10 August 2017 19: 02
                  The Russian Empire collapsed due to unitarity.

                  How poorly you know history, you confuse causes and effects, on the principle: "from which the wind blows, from the fact that the leaves sway."
                  The borders of the republics were cut arbitrarily, not considering either national or cultural. neither religious nor linguistic composition of the population.
                  For many nations, languages ​​and writing were artificially created.
                2. 0
                  12 August 2017 16: 55
                  the role of the army to unite the state, the whole history of states confirms this. a state that does not support the army is doomed.
              2. +3
                10 August 2017 21: 09
                Quote: For example
                republics of the USSR were formed ten years after the death of Lenin.

                And after 23 years. But Lenin began all.
                Quote: For example
                before opening your mouth.

                Stanislav and I are more opponents than like-minded people, but he does not need to be rude. If you want to communicate normally - do not be rude. In real life, for such words they beat in the face. hi
          4. +1
            11 August 2017 17: 37
            Quote: For example
            The country (Empire) first fell apart, and only then Lenin drew.

            It’s only from the moment he took power into his own hands that he should be responsible for everything. So the bomb at the base of the USSR is his work.
            Quote: For example
            Just don't talk about jobs. This is gypsy. It is low to offer jobs instead of property and free enterprise.

            Yes Yes Yes. When Russia regains its territory, then they will be robbed. Is there a source of such information?
            1. 0
              14 August 2017 00: 26
              Quote: Dart2027
              Yes Yes Yes. When Russia regains its territory, then they will be robbed. Is there a source of such information?

              Well, no matter how it is necessary not to live in Russia, so as not to notice the looting ... Especially distant territories.
              1. 0
                14 August 2017 06: 22
                Quote: insular
                so as not to notice the looting

                So who is robbing whom?
                1. 0
                  14 August 2017 06: 53
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  So who is robbing whom?

                  "drink and steal" (C) classic
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2017 20: 11
                    Quote: insular
                    classic

                    That is nothing concrete.
      2. +9
        10 August 2017 09: 00
        The beginning of the conversation should not just be supported and expanded, all the interested forces and individuals should make every effort so that the Little Russia project gets the prospect of implementation.

        What is needed is not a Little Russia project, but the reunification of the Russian people. All this division into Russians, Ukrainians, Little Russians and Belarusians is artificial. Genetically, we are one people. And of course, you need a unitary device. This is obvious: one country - one law.
        1. 0
          10 August 2017 13: 48
          Quote: Basarev
          And of course, you need a unitary device.

          Well, what are we craving? Revolution? Federation for scrap! Give a unitary state !!! wassat
          I think Tatarstan and Chechnya are with you, with a unitary !!! Give !!!! all a single guide and one gyrus in my head !!! wassat
          1. +5
            10 August 2017 18: 18
            Who cares about the nationalities? In your opinion, it is normal when in one region almost segregation of Russians, and the second even fought wars with Russians - and committed war crimes encouraged by his leadership - while the rulers of those regions are all independent of the center, almost sovereign kings! You need to think about the majority, you need to think about Russians. I have already said that the multinationality of Russia is a myth. Yes, there are many nationalities living in the country, but more than 83% of Russians. That is, the country is exclusively mono-ethnic, one of the leaders in this indicator. Many countries are called national, where there are many peoples and not one has a predominant share - to take at least this stinking India. So, the problem is not entirely in the state system. And in the unequal position of the Russian people inside and outside the country, as well as in its divided position. You can, if you so advocate, preserve the federal structure, but then it will be necessary for the Russians to give an equal and equal subject of the federation, at least a republic, and, no less important, with the Russian leadership. But I have already been told that in this case over 90% of the GDP will be at the disposal of the Russian republic. This is true, because Russia rests solely on the Russians, and non-Russians are mostly parasites ... As a result, it turns out that one entity determines the financial policy of the entire federation. This would not be a disaster if it were not for the howl of the federalists defending the poor nationalities. Who is to blame for them, if instead of hard work for the common good they lived for centuries as robbery and only Russians agreed to help and pulled out of wildness? They abused Russian responsiveness and sat on the Russian neck. Only their laziness, idleness and ambition became the reason why non-Russian regions account for less than 10% of GDP. In any case, the federation in its current form is unfair and it is impossible to solve the Russian question in principle without changing it.

            There is another way - justice for all. To do this, the entire current administrative-territorial division of Russia will have to be abolished and swept away by the national republics, a unified state law will be introduced, and all princes should be banished with shame. The only bad thing is that both options are unacceptable for the current leadership of the country, which oppresses the Russians. Even worse, even here in VO, in the midst of true patriots, there are many gossips that support the actions of the leadership, and Putin personally is for them the savior of the fatherland and almost a saint.
            1. 0
              11 August 2017 03: 01
              This I wrote about 90%. But with an increase in hard work, etc. the share of the national republics in the Russian Federation within the current borders in the formation of GDP will not especially increase. After all, their share in the country's population is 18%.
              Consider the factor of Tatarstan and Bashkortostan. With respect to the above entities, your derogatory characteristics of national republics are not applicable. Both in Soviet times and now, these two multinational entities (but with a predominance of Tatars and Bashkirs) with a combined population of 8 million people (this is almost a third of the total population of the republics of the Russian Federation) have indicators that are higher than the national average. In Chuvashia, in the Finno-Ugric republics, especially in Udmurtia, the indicators of socio-economic development are about the same as in most middle-oblasts.
              Generally do not simplify. Yes, we have four fifths of the population are Russian, more than a tenth of the indigenous, titular non-Russian peoples. And less than a tenth of the population is representatives of the peoples of other former union republics, countries of the far abroad, etc., living in the Russian Federation. But we have territories where multinationality really exists, while in some of them Russians predominate a little, in others they make up a quarter to a third of the population. And there are areas like Dagestan, multinational, but where Russians are in a clear minority. By the way, Russians in this republic were also a minority in the Soviet period.
              And apart are Chechnya and Ingushetia with a clear predominance of the titular ethnic group and a small percentage of Russians.
              Well, in the vast expanses of the tundra, Russians are predominantly cities and towns, plus communities of small nations.
            2. 0
              11 August 2017 12: 04
              Even with the abolition of the republics, the majority of officials, deputies, policemen in the territory of modern Tataria, Bashkiria, Chuvashia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Tuva, Ossetia, the CBD and the KCR will be from local residents. And the locals will lead. From this they will not cease to be national regions. These ten republics makes no sense to strip their status. These are real national enclaves within the Russian Federation. This is unrealistic, there will be more problems. It is necessary to set more realistic tasks and think about the status of the first quasinational formation with a small percentage of titular ethnic groups, such as Karelia, Adygea and Khakassia. Or those where Russians from 40 to 60%, while in some areas, Russians predominate, in others the title ones. Or transform them into oblasts with the formation of national districts, regions, settlements where these ethnic groups really numerically prevail. Or, if you do not want to abandon the republican status, make adjustments to the borders, excluding areas and cities with an absolute predominance of the Russian population. The problem is that after the allocation of territories with an absolute predominance of Russians, these republics will become even more economically weak.
              In general, the opinion of people in a particular region should be listened to. I was in Mordovia. Yes, the republic is artificial. Mordva (Erzya and Moksha) together account for just over a third of the inhabitants, the majority of Russians, especially in Saransk and other cities. Most Mordovians live outside the republic. For the most part, Mordovians are Russian-speaking, both within the republic and beyond its borders. Being in Saransk, you will not immediately guess that it is the capital of the national republic. A typical small nice regional center, everyone around speaks Russian. Plus, some signs of the presence of the Finno-Ugric culture, more for color. Everyone understands that the republic is artificial, highly dependent on the federal center. But the Russian majority does not feel any harm from its existence and is used to this status. And Mordovians are also pleased that there is such a republic, a center of national culture. True, Erzyan activists sometimes demand the creation of a separate territorial unit and not be called Mordovians.)) The situation is similar in Khakassia or Karelia. Maybe it’s not worth changing anything? This is so, in order of discussion. I have been interested in this topic for a long time, but I still cannot come to unambiguous conclusions.
              1. +2
                11 August 2017 17: 36
                Adygea - like that bat. Located in the middle of the Krasnodar Territory. It is not included in the North Caucasus Federal District (where Moscow sends a lot of money). And in the Krasnodar Territory with its development and salaries - is not included. Such a hole inside the bagel. Adygeans in all the "warm places", and the Russians, of whom the majority - plow for three cents! Yes, Adygea also creates some kind of jobs ... For example, shopping complexes. Near Krasnodar, only bridge to cross. But in Maykop - nothing! Thank you if something from the Soviet era works from enterprises. But not all! In the very center of the city - ruins! Former furniture factory "Friendship". In parts sold workshops ... Younger people are trying to leave. Not because of any conflicts. At work with a decent salary.
            3. 0
              12 August 2017 17: 04
              so put forward a candidate for president, which we know and will vote for him. but at the same time there should not be revolutions, if they were not respected in the world of the Russian Federation, they were considered, if the industry did not flourish but existed, and that he had a team to disperse that part of the country that hinders the development of the Russian Federation. You will find such a leader in your hands.
          2. +2
            10 August 2017 19: 19
            Federation for scrap!
            She will go to waste already, it is worth coming to power to the weak President (and sooner or later this will happen) - a parade of sovereignty will begin.
            If you do not reverse the trend and do not take a course towards a unitary State, Russia will have only one European part.
            Here Yugoslavia was cited as an example, since it was just federal (SFRY), and therefore it fell into pieces.
            1. 0
              11 August 2017 02: 15
              Just in the Asian part of the Russian Federation, special separatism was not observed even in the 90s.
              The North Caucasus and Tatarstan belong to the European part of the country.
              1. 0
                11 August 2017 04: 51
                Just in the Asian part of the Russian Federation, special separatism was not observed even in the 90s.
                "Well-wishers" and guardians of "human rights" from abroad will help with this. When the collapse begins, it is difficult to stop it.
                The North Caucasus and Tatarstan belong to the European part of the country.

                By the European part, I meant the core of Russia without national republics, by the way about the Caucasus, there are not only Chechnya and Dagestan, there are Christian peoples who can stay with Russia, but this is not a fact.
                1. 0
                  11 August 2017 11: 29
                  Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Tomsk, Omsk also belong to the core of Russian Russia, this is a kind of Siberian continuation of Great Russia. Although formally this is the Asian part of the country. In fact, the Trans-Urals and a significant part of Western Siberia are closer to European Russia, and not to the rest of Siberia and the Far East.
                  And among the national republics a significant part is quasinational formations. Karelia and Khakassia definitely, Mordovia, Komi, Udmurtia to a large extent. Buryatia, Mari El, Yakutia and Adygea from the middle to the half.))
            2. 0
              11 August 2017 11: 21
              According to the Constitution of the SFRY of 1974, a specific state structure was created, which was only formally called a federation. In fact, the SFRY since 1974 has been a hybrid of the federation and the confederation. And in both houses of parliament, and in the government (Union Executive Chamber), all republics had an equal number of representatives. This is not characteristic of normal federations.
            3. 0
              12 August 2017 17: 14
              and tsarist Russia is unitary. everything has its time. at this stage, a federal structure is necessary, it is impossible to break the ideology of national pride, but to prove that all nations are equal, but they must be united by one culture that has developed historically, and not taught them everything else
      3. +1
        10 August 2017 18: 51
        It is high time. The federal structure of the country (Lenin’s “gift”) is a prerequisite for its collapse. The first part of the Marmaisonan ballet we all watched in 1991.

        I absolutely agree, only this must be done carefully and gradually, so as not to cause a civil war.
        But you need to start with the language, it is necessary to make the study of national languages ​​in schools optional - optional. The language begins with national self-identification.
        1. 0
          10 August 2017 20: 36
          Quote: Vadmir
          only it must be done carefully and gradually so as not to cause a civil war.

          Slowly and purposefully! good In terms of language, I agree. hi
      4. 0
        11 August 2017 02: 13
        What is meant by federation. There are territorial federations such as Germany, Austria, Argentina, Mexico, Brazil. They are usually very centralized. And no one in these countries advocates unitarianism. The idea of ​​federalism is a lot of good. Elements of federalism are present in many unitary states. And some lawyers in Germany call their country paradoxically: "a unitary state with a federal structure."
        1. +3
          11 August 2017 04: 44
          What is meant by federation. There are territorial federations such as Germany, Austria, Argentina, Mexico, Brazil. They are usually very centralized. And no one in these countries advocates unitarianism. The idea of ​​federalism is a lot of good.
          In each of these countries there is only one language. Each of these countries forms a single nation, although, in the case of the last three countries, this nation consists mainly of visitors, but they form one nation. As for Germany, their federalism stems from the contractual nature of unification into a single State, one people lives there.
          In Russia, everything is different, we have many peoples, each has its own language, culture, history and they all live on their own land, they are not visitors, they are masters.
          Under the tsars, Russia was "One and indivisible", it was the Empire when one people (Russian) unites and subjugates other peoples. This submission, in most cases, was not violent, but civilizational in nature, there was a natural assimilation. National cultures were gradually replaced by a single one, the language became one for all - Russian.
          In 1917, everything changed, the reverse process began on the division of peoples, began to revive forgotten languages, customs, culture of small nations. They divided the country into national republics, and the borders were drawn with great damage to the Russian people.
          They tried to create a single nation - the Soviet one.
          In 1991, the Soviet nation ceased to exist, and what remained?
          Instead of a single nation, a bunch of divided peoples.
          Either we recall that we have an imperial system and begin to create a single nation (and the Russian nation, since it is the largest people of our country) in a unitary State with one language, common values ​​and culture, or we will inevitably collapse.
          1. 0
            11 August 2017 11: 35
            You forget that an imperial state and a unitary state are two different things. In states of an imperial type, the existence of different laws and legal regimes in various parts of the territory of the state is perfectly acceptable. Some territories are managed rigidly from the center, others can have very broad autonomy.
            The term "empire" itself is ambiguous. Japan, for example, is headed by the emperor, but it is not an empire either in the state law, or in the political science, or in foreign policy senses.
            1. 0
              11 August 2017 20: 48
              You forget that an imperial state and a unitary state are two different things.
              I do not forget, I just mean not an abstract empire, but the Russian empire.
              In states of an imperial type, the existence of different laws and legal regimes in various parts of the territory of the state is perfectly acceptable. Some territories are managed rigidly from the center, others can have very broad autonomy.
              Of course, a typical example of Austria-Hungary, which went from one of the strongest European empires, Austria, to Austria-Hungary torn by local national elites, and then split into many pieces, that's what the games with autonomy and federalization are brought to, this process did not stop recently, when one of the fragments of the Austrian Empire fell apart into small fragments, I mean Czechoslovakia.
              The term "empire" itself is ambiguous. Japan, for example, is headed by the emperor, but it is not an empire either in the state law, or in the political science, or in foreign policy senses.
              The point is not the title of the head of state.
        2. 0
          11 August 2017 06: 56
          Quote: Sergej1972
          The idea of ​​federalism is a lot of good.

          What, for example?
          1. 0
            11 August 2017 12: 12
            The ability to resolve a number of issues (not related to security and defense of the state, foreign policy) on the spot, in accordance with local conditions. In federal states, as well as in regionalist states such as Spain and Italy, this is easier to do. In general, this trend is now observed: healthy federations are becoming more centralized and united, and many unitary states use some elements of federalism in the practice of governance. I emphasize once again that some elements of federalism are quite feasible in unitary states, especially in regionalist states.
            In Russia, the federation is highly centralized, like the Federal Republic of Germany, Austria, and Venezuela. We are not a classic federation. With a certain degree of conditionality, we can say that the Russian Federation is 60% unitary and 40% federal. And this is good.
            1. 0
              11 August 2017 13: 34
              Quote: Sergej1972
              Ability to solve a number of issues

              At least one example is possible, where the solution to the issue depends on the federal structure, rather than unitarily regional? What can not decide the leadership of the region, in contrast to the leadership of the republic? belay
            2. 0
              11 August 2017 20: 54
              With a certain degree of conditionality, we can say that the Russian Federation is 60% unitary and 40% federal. And this is good.
              And then another Gorbi or EBN will come to power and the national republics will recall the rights enshrined in the constitution, declare sovereignty, force part of the Russian population to leave, we have all gone through this, why leave this rake in a ready-to-hit position?
            3. 0
              11 August 2017 21: 01
              In federal states, as well as in regionalist states such as Spain and Italy, this is easier to do.
              In Spain, another Basque independence referendum will soon be held, and until recently, terrorists blew up cafes and restaurants with local residents. In Italy, there are centrifugal processes in the north of the country. At a minimum, this suggests that games with autonomy shake the States and potentially lead to their collapse.
    2. +6
      10 August 2017 10: 28
      Babitsky ..... This is the one who in the early XNUMXs came out with spite and guano to his homeland, for American money! Ahahahah. Stopped paying from the State Department or allowed to join the ranks of "patriots"? The article has a lot of correct written. But the author causes idiosyncrasy (intolerance, rejection) by the very fact of his existence. He has not yet repented publicly for his past mortal sins. An article embossed somewhere about changing attitudes is nonsense. Speaking on the pages of central publications with the reproach of the motherland? I got out. So come out there with repentance. . There is no faith in Babitsky.
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    4. 0
      12 August 2017 11: 18
      Rename yourself to slaves
  2. +3
    10 August 2017 07: 53
    There can be no other opinion: the state should be built not on a national, but on a regional basis. To switch to such a device model, a change in the Russian constitution is required. The main question is: is it time for this ?!
    In such a case as changing internal borders in a state it is never possible to rush, but this issue cannot be constantly put off. Everything must be done at the right time. The most important thing is to correctly determine the moment of the right hour. Here, the actions of politicians are crucial: the will to win, political instinct and support of the people are the main components of the success of the reforms.

    "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot.
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    2. 0
      10 August 2017 18: 54
      To switch to such a device model, a change in the Russian constitution is required. The main question is: is it time for this?

      But time works against us, with each year, disunity is growing.
    3. 0
      14 August 2017 00: 30
      Quote: The Truth
      People-State-Fatherland

      People Homeland Fatherland - here is my slogan.
      Country - what we inherited from our ancestors has very little in common with these godless the states created under the dictation of the enemy that plundered Homeland and humiliate People(s).
      And even the wars we had were People’s and Patriotic. Great wars for the Motherland and the Fatherland.

      Patriots ... mother ... What do you even know about patriotism?
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        14 August 2017 06: 27
        Quote: insular
        The Fatherland - what we inherited from our ancestors has very little in common with these godless countries

        How many times have I heard this. But only when they are at war with the state, for some reason they are always at war with the fatherland.
        http://ruskline.ru/special_opinion/2015/09/tot_kt
        o_lyubit_rodinu_no_nenavidit_gosudarstvo_nenavidi
        t_i_rodinu /
        http://yastalker.livejournal.com/150043.html
  3. +4
    10 August 2017 07: 56
    Ukraine is hatching the brain of the world about the "occupation" of Crimea and Donbass, and the enemy should be beaten with his own weapons, deploying an information company that Ukraine was occupying the lands of New Russia ..
  4. +5
    10 August 2017 08: 57
    How many can be worn with cards and memories of 17, 18, 19 centuries? Is it time to get used to the fact that in 1991 a new milestone was formed. The starting point of history for the fifteen former republics of one state. After all, these unfortunate historians already got it. Turn to the Bible. Everything was different there.
    1. +2
      10 August 2017 11: 09
      Phantom pains do not let you sleep at night.
    2. 0
      10 August 2017 11: 58
      These are memories of the future when the cleaning of mankurts is completed.
  5. +2
    10 August 2017 09: 42
    Dear author, the map shows New Russia, not Little Russia. Little Russia included the territory of modern; Poltava, Cherkasy, part of Chernihiv, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk and Kiev modern regions.
    1. +1
      10 August 2017 10: 30
      Correct, colleague. He is not dear, author. And the creature that poured guano to his homeland for American money. Read his articles in the 90s and early 2000s. He simply rubbed himself into trust, but as always, he was not friends with facts.
    2. 0
      10 August 2017 11: 07
      2 maps were originally laid out, and New Russia and Little Russia as a historical excursion.
      But before the article was approved, the 1 card was removed.
  6. +5
    10 August 2017 10: 06
    In the project, which was voiced by Zakharchenko, there is a small moment that the Kremlin will not accept for anything. Yes, and Donetsk, too. It was said that Little Russia (or Novorossia) would be the legal successor of Ukraine. In general, Donetsk and Lugansk remain part of Ukraine (or as the country will be called in a new way).
    This is Poroshenko’s blue dream. Fill and discard. A debt on loans (tens of billions of dollars) to leave the assignees. Will Donetsk pay the IMF tranches, or pay a penalty to Gazprom? This is a purely economic moment.
    Political. For 25 years in Ukraine, Russians were made non-Russians. Zakharchenko will focus on the Russophobia deputies? But there will be no other deputies from Central and Western Ukraine.
    There are more questions than answers.
    There are no better options here. There are bad ones and very bad ones. The collapse of Ukraine and the formatting of a new country. Without succession. Or Russia should accept tens of millions of destitute, a destroyed country, and most importantly - most of them hating Russians.
    Full furry animal.
  7. +2
    10 August 2017 11: 27
    Quote: Bakht
    In the project, which was voiced by Zakharchenko, there is a small moment that the Kremlin will not accept for anything. Yes, and Donetsk, too. It was said that Little Russia (or Novorossia) would be the legal successor of Ukraine. In general, Donetsk and Lugansk remain part of Ukraine (or as the country will be called in a new way).

    The project is open for discussion.
    Most importantly, he was thrown in on time, and the chain can be traced: 1) deprivation of the legitimacy of Kiev as the capital and command center, 2) the establishment of borders by regions within a federal republic so that taxes (or at least most of them) remain within specific regions, regions, and not sent to the center, where instantly lined up a line of people willing to stick to this money. 3) sooner or later mutually beneficial economic relations are established between the federated regions. Someone will boycott these processes for a long time, someone less. I agree, the "Ukrainianness" should not have successors, therefore it is proposed to name the new country, this new social space "Little Russia"
  8. +2
    10 August 2017 12: 27
    It is clear that now this program, detailed in detail, seems unrealizable, utopia.

    1) or anything there in detail not spelled out
    2) actually Action not. have a declaration
    Xnumx) this is not it seems utopia - this is utopia
    To implement such a scenario, a direct military invasion of Russia is necessary. No one will do it. The only chance is during the next presidential election in Ukraine to arrange a bucho in the eastern regions. And, it is possible to chop off part of the territory of neighboring regions. With the subsequent announcement of Donetsk Rus (I give Zakharchenko an idea). But then you need to clean out Plotnitsky, and not just him alone.
    Moreover, this neoplasm will not be recognized by anyone other than Russia and Abkhazia. laughing
    A more realistic scenario is that in the aftermath of the presidential election, the Donbass will merge. So much less cost to the current government of Russia.
    1. +1
      10 August 2017 14: 43
      Quote: Normal ok
      I give Zakharchenko an idea
      The giver is green dober and wise if you ...
    2. 0
      10 August 2017 19: 48
      Quote: Normal ok
      to arrange a butch in the eastern regions. And, it is possible to chop off part of the territory of neighboring regions

      I’m afraid it’s expensive (for the Russian Federation) and the people won’t do it (they have tasted both the Russian and Ukrainian world) - they will hate everything that gets worse. And it will definitely get worse! Otherwise, it will be even more expensive!
      The author of utopias ... and to calculate that the Crimea will become an apple of discord and the appearance of the enemy? It has long been known that nothing affects the creation of enemies like chopping off / joining its territories ..
      They didn’t count ... they didn’t think ... they got ... what was inevitable. Now we think what to do .. However, we don’t think .. it just might resolve itself.
      1. +4
        10 August 2017 20: 15
        It's too late to think. It was necessary to think before the races on the Maidan. You have a shift of landmarks. It was not Crimea that made enemies, but enemies made the departure of the Russian regions inevitable. Specifically in the Crimea, you can recall the very Saakashvili. Bastard, but not a fool. The fact that Crimea will leave, he said back in 2013. It was natural.
        No sane ruler would leave Crimea as part of Ukraine. It is just geography, politics, military affairs and history. In aggregate - geopolitics.
        The basis of the conflict - Ukraine is an anti-Russian project and will always be such. Ukrainian is an enemy of Russian. And here Dmitruk is absolutely right "we will never be brothers." Ukraine could exist only as an ally of Russia. When she turned toward NATO, she was doomed.
        At a summit, Putin told Bush the younger, "Once again, you say that Ukraine is joining NATO and there will be no Ukraine."
        You can talk as much as you like. Historically, Ukraine is anti-Russia. Having become openly in the opposite camp, the Maydans signed a verdict on themselves. Ukraine will either be Russian or it will not be.
        1. 0
          10 August 2017 23: 31
          Correctly. Azerbaijan is the brother of Russia. The time has come to defend the Russians in Azerbaijan, especially since this is native Russian land.
          1. +4
            11 August 2017 00: 10
            An article about Ukraine and discussing Ukraine. If there is an article about Azerbaijan, we can discuss Azerbaijan as well. But for some reason, it seems to me that my knowledge of Ukraine exceeds your knowledge of Azerbaijan.
          2. 0
            11 August 2017 11: 41
            Your malice is incomprehensible. I think that you are not so uneducated as not to understand the incorrectness of comparing Ukraine and Azerbaijan in this aspect. Does Azerbaijan have areas with a predominance of the Russian population or where the vast majority of the population speaks and thinks in Russian?
            1. 0
              11 August 2017 11: 47
              There are separate villages. The collective farm named after Nikitin in the village of Ivanovka is the most famous. He was recently visited by Prokhanov
              1. 0
                11 August 2017 12: 34
                These are not entire regions with a population of several million people published by the predominant Russian or Russian-speaking population. Probably Old Believers or Molokans?
                1. 0
                  11 August 2017 13: 25
                  Of course not. Separate villages. Ivanovka is a very large village. Despite all the vicissitudes of our land, the collective farm remained there. Molokans live there
                  But the Russian language is not banned. The minimum cable TV package is approximately 20 Russian channels. Schools and institutes have a Russian sector. Unfortunately, young people already know the Russian language worse. This is problem. Not in demand
                  1. 0
                    11 August 2017 14: 18
                    This is probably due to religious specificity. If they wanted to leave for the Russian Federation, get an education, gain a foothold in Moscow or any other major city, they would know Russian well.
                    Or maybe you are talking about the Azerbaijani youth of those places?
                    1. 0
                      11 August 2017 21: 41
                      I did not mean a Molokan. He spoke about the general trend in the republic. Azerbaijani youth already does not know Russian well. This is a common problem in all the former republics. Nationalism impedes development.
                      If they had forgotten Russian and learned English - half the trouble. The trouble is that they forgot Russian and did not learn English.
              2. 0
                12 August 2017 17: 42
                Is it forbidden to speak Russian inside the village? the enclave decides what to do. Ukraine is different. sooner or later, all Slavs living on the European border demanded independence, another point is that the kinship (if family is more correct) ties with Ukraine are more significant.
        2. 0
          11 August 2017 11: 18
          Quote: Bakht
          Not Crimea made enemies, but enemies made the departure of Russian regions inevitable

          Of course .. enemies everywhere. Even in the most vulnerable place, nearby, and there are enemies. Why should they oppose something? It’s easier to put all the flaws on them. It’s strange that it’s not the departure of the Russian regions, but the etching of all Russian, both in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation. Russian regions in Ukraine are much more numerous than Crimea and 1 / 3 regions. They were opposed.
          There is no difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian. Together they fought well and there was no enmity. Taking away a piece of someone else’s territory will not be a friend.
          current geopolitics himself signed agreements where Krym is part of Ukraine. And still they are valid.
          Quote: Bakht
          You can talk as much as you like. Historically, Ukraine is anti-Russia.

          so far, the Russian Federation is Anti Russia ... and it is most successful in destroying it .. and the Russians.
          1. +1
            11 August 2017 11: 54
            You confuse Ukrainians and Russians living in Ukraine. Ukrainian is a natural enemy of Russian. He can exist only by denying his Russian past.
            It is not even necessary to consider some underlying causes. The ban on the Russian language automatically makes the departure of Russian regions inevitable. Or Russians will have to become Ukrainians and forget their native language. By definition, language is one of the attributes of a nation. And one of the first decrees of Maidan workers was a moratorium on the law on languages. So they were opposed by those who rode on the Maidan shouting "Moskalyak to Gilyak" and "who does not skip that Muscovite." So the Ukrainian and Russian enemies. It is obvious.
            Do you want the Donbass to return to Ukraine? Perfectly. The same conditions. Deputies from Donbass in Parliament will speak Russian. Kiev agree to this? Zakharchenko will surely go through any lists to the Verkhovna Rada. Kiev is it happy?
            The issue of foreign territory is very, very controversial. Crimea belongs to Russia, in the extreme case of Turkey. But not in Ukraine.
            PS Speaking of Ukraine. Just remembered. Bogdan Khmelnitsky signed as "Prince of Russia", Zaporozhye Cossacks went into battle under the slogan "For Holy Russia." And Kiev is the "mother of Russian cities." Where are these Ukrainians? Find them.
          2. 0
            12 August 2017 18: 01
            it's hard to talk with schizophrenics, you forgot who you are, this is your problem, time will judge and show. but your verse that Russian is not brothers, asking for forgiveness works and lives in Russia.
  9. 0
    12 August 2017 18: 53
    last paragraph of Catherine II, and change the name do not disturb the old woman in the grave

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