Poisoned Feather. The provincial press from February to October and the first years of the victory of Bolshevism ... (Part of 8)

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“... resolve the chains of wickedness, untie the bonds of the yoke, and let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke; divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the poor people into the house; when you see the naked, put him on, and do not hide from your half-brother ”.
(Isaiah 58: 6).


As is known, a revolution is nothing else but an extremely accelerated evolutionary process, accompanied by non-economic and extra-legal violence, during which the right is inferior to force. Moreover, these two processes can go simultaneously, complemented by one another.



Thus, the reform of the Russian alphabet and language, prepared long before the October Revolution, although it was carried out by the Bolsheviks in the course of all its policies, but, nevertheless, had a positive significance for all. The situation was the same with the introduction of a new chronology, and in a number of other cases. Of course, all these processes were of great interest to the press, including the provincial one. Therefore, it is not surprising that soon after the February bourgeois-democratic revolution of 1917, many new periodicals appeared in the Penza province. What was inextricably linked with the rise of social and political activity that engulfed all segments of the population of Russia and their desire to obtain information.


One of the Penza newspapers of the revolutionary time.

Political parties, reflecting the interests of various political clans and public groups, with the opportunity to offer Russia the best, in their opinion, ways of further development, began to publish their own newspapers and magazines everywhere. With their help, agitation and propaganda work was carried out, party doctrines and programs were explained to the population, and political opponents were criticized. At the same time, all information, mainly of topical socio-political and economic nature, was fed to the reader through the prism of interests, likes and dislikes of a political party. At the same time, almost all publications ceased to exist already in 1918: some closed the Soviet power because of their counter-revolutionary orientation, but most simply “died” because of a banal lack of funds and even plain paper, which, in general, was also to the victorious Bolsheviks.


And this is the newspaper of the Petrograd Socialist Revolutionaries ...

A typical example of political periodicals of this epoch was the newspaper Penza Speech, the organ of the Cadets and the popular socialists; Its first issue was 11 May 1917. Already the titles of its creators speak for themselves: Prince V. Trubetskoy, Professor Ye.A. Zvyagintsev - that is, the nobles and the same Russian intelligentsia, "who ached for the people with their soul." The newspaper was a widescreen, and it was published daily on four, and sometimes on six or two pages.

It noted that "... there are no experienced workers, they are not enough in all areas of life," and therefore "... you cannot demand from the new edition that completeness, integrity, content, which the reader is entitled to demand from the old edition." However, this publication “... with impartiality illuminating the issues of the present, respecting the opinions of others and carrying out the ideas of free citizenship ... is necessary for educating ... the consciousness of citizens and their ability to sacrifice personal, clan and party interests for the sake of the Fatherland ... »[1.C.1]. Publishers of the newspaper considered it their duty to propagate a more sober state order and peaceful, state-building. Confident that “attacks, ridicule and, maybe, unfair complaints” would be poured on them, the publishers did not intend to pursue, “... remembering that we have freedom of speech and freedom of the press, which are the same for all”. Then it was stated that the “Penza speech” is a non-party body, and the positions that the newspaper intends to defend are listed:
1. Complete confidence in government authority.
2. Bringing the war to a happy end, to a universal and lasting peace that ensures the vital interests of the country.
3. Preparing society for elections to the Constituent Assembly and local governments.
4. Full and impartial coverage of local life [2.C.2].

Poisoned Feather. The provincial press from February to October and the first years of the victory of Bolshevism ... (Part of 8)

Photos from illustrated editions of those years are alive story country.

Already from the first number in the newspaper, the “Russian Press” column was published, where a review of the domestic press on a pressing political issue was given. At the same time, in the beginning, a quotation was made from one or another publication, after which there was her commentary, which expressed the position of this publication. The Bolsheviks, in the face of their newspapers "Pravda" and "Social Democrat", indicated that they, apparently, decided to break away from the whole "Russian State", since they support fraternization of soldiers at the front.

The panorama of the provincial events presented to the readers of "Penza speech" in the materials under the headings "Chronicle"; "Life of the region." The reprint of the response to the appearance of this newspaper, written by V.V. Kuraev, published by the Bolshevik newspaper "Izvestia". Criticizing and exposing the reactionary, from his point of view, orientation of the new newspaper, the author led the reader to the conclusion that it was defending the interests of landowners and capitalists with the support of the intellectuals who had sold. To this, the editorial board of Penza Speech responded that its respect for the printed word and freedom of the press did not allow it to "respond in the same tone."


That even happened, it turns out! Well, who do we have an amateur around finding the machinations of the British? As you can see, and here it was not without them!

And from the front page of the first issue, until the beginning of June, the newspaper conducted a powerful advertising campaign of the Loan of Freedom announced by the Provisional Government in favor of the Russian army: "Only the strain of all our forces can give us the desired victory." In July, the “Penza Speech” published an appeal to the population with a call to join the volunteer detachments.

In the reviews, placed under the heading “Theater and spectacles”, the class and political nature of the publication is clearly visible, which clearly indicates that the difference between themselves and the “people” publishers clearly felt: “The correct captain Gordeev was SM. Muratov, and the dramatic places were held with the proper strength and lift, but I think Gordeyev should be more graceful, although he was born a “peasant”, but the naval corps and, all the more, the academy had to educate a gentleman in him ”.

In the sections "Telegrams" and "Various Izvestia", short messages about Russian and international the news... First of all, these were reports from the fronts. The "Little Feuilleton" published satirical miniatures and poems devoted mainly to the situation in the country and blaming the left parties, the Soviets and their policies for everything. In July 1917, the newspaper carried the election campaign of the People's Freedom Party in connection with the upcoming elections to the Penza City Duma.

From mid-July to 20 of October, “Penza Speech” did not come out due to the strike of printing workers and the opposition of “local left-wing forces”, and in the released issue it was reported that “the agrarian movement ... degenerated into real Pugachevism with murders, robberies, arsons and stabbing between members of the “movement” [3.C.1]. In the fall and winter of 17, the headings “Civil War” and “Deeds of the Bolsheviks” appeared in the newspaper. Many articles have been published that stigmatized both themselves and the whole policy of Soviet power: “Bolshevik autocracy”, “At the Smolny prison”, “What did the socialist parties do for Russia after the coup”. Perhaps, for the first time, the term “yellow press” appeared in the local provincial press, and the newspaper explained that the so-called “foreign countries” (as in the text - the authors ’example) are newspapers that are not ashamed of any methods to attract the public. In one of the September issues in the newspaper, social stratification among peasants was analyzed in detail. It was concluded that 25% of the peasants are proletarians, “37-38% are only food and only the rural bourgeoisie working for the market”.

From July 8 to November 16, 1917 of the year, the Penza group of the RSDLP Mensheviks (united) daily published its newspaper, The Struggle. The “struggle” was of a small format, was published on four pages and was more like a newspaper than a newspaper, rather than a newspaper. Its content was mainly a statement of Menshevik doctrines and programs for solving various problems; and events taking place in the country and in the province were given from the point of view of this party.

Initially, the Bolsheviks also collaborated in the newspaper. However, very soon, almost all Bolshevik authors were sent to the front, and already on 18 in July, “Struggle” welcomed the Provisional Government, which had shot the demonstration of workers and soldiers in Petrograd.

In such articles as “Who benefits from the socialization of the land?” And “Land reform” [4.C.2-3], published in the August 1917 numbers of the year, the problems of land management in Russia were discussed in detail, but the facts were again just stated, and the calls were not to whom specifically did not apply. It is interesting to note that the newspaper openly explained all the difficulties of the war by Russia's poverty compared with France, and this poverty resulted, in her opinion, from the general poverty of the country's agriculture.
In principle, this publication did not contain anything, and as for its mood, it is best conveyed by the poems written by the poet S. Ganypin in it: “In the Hour of Troubles”:
In times of trouble
When boils in my homeland
Treason, darkness and lies ...
Sounds my verse, human hearts
Wake up, worry.
When my homeland is full
Crosses, native graves ...
Sounds my verse
Keep silence criminal
No more strength.

It's funny that this newspaper has a direct relationship with our current opposition publications, both in its content and in the manner of presentation of the material, but ... it did not have any effect on the masses!

The last seven issues of Wrestling were published irregularly in September-November 1917 of the year on brown wrapping paper. They are saturated with extremely acute rejection of the policy of the Bolsheviks and the October Revolution, which was perceived by the “Struggle” as a “criminal uprising raised by the Bolsheviks”.

The daily Socialist-Revolutionary Menshevik provincial newspaper, Our Way (United Socialists Organ), which came out from December 17 on 1917 on May 17 on May 1918, was a continuation of the Struggle and also said: "We are not with Bolsheviks, and even less with the Cadets ... »[5.C.1]. There was also an article about the protest of the All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Peasant Deputies against the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly and the activities of the Bolsheviks, which the newspaper’s publishers rated very negatively. Accordingly, most of all other materials of Our Way contained information selected or written in such a way as to convey to the reader this negative attitude of its editorial board to the events that took place in Petrograd.

At the same time, even in the midst of crime, “Our Way” blamed first of all the new Bolshevik government, which declared amnesty in the country, which was directly stated in the article “Bolshevik power and amnesty”.

Under the heading "Little Feuilleton" satirical stories and poems were published, which were mainly devoted to criticism of the Bolsheviks, both in the center and in the field. For example, a satirical poem entitled “Report to His Majesty Vladimir Lenin” was placed in one of the numbers, containing a completely obvious allusion to the Bolshevik Kuraev and his “expropriation activity” in Penza.
I immediately issued a decree in Penza,
That all your power recognized,
And the bodies of the local SRs, cadet
And we took the other bourgeois.
And now here everything goes like clockwork:
Dispersed Duma bayonets,
And we did valiant raid
Alcohol and Banks with Ships [6.C.2].



"Boldly comrades in the leg, with the spirit strengthened in the struggle, into the realm of freedom, pave the way for yourself ..."

Feedback in the newspaper was present in the form of letters from readers, but their total volume was very small, moreover, they often had no social significance. Other letters from the village at the same time were obviously symbolic in nature. So, from the village of Tarkhovo of the Penza province it was reported that local peasants want "at least some kind of inferior king, at least some kind of power ...". In the same note it was reported that extortion of money from rich peasants is called by their poor "Bolshevism". At the same time, the peasants dream to disperse all employees of the volost territorial council, CLOSE THE SCHOOL (authors' note - SA and V.O.) and “destroy the nearby forest that bothers them” [7.C.3]. In other materials, sometimes there were such topics, the content of which has not changed at all until the present day. In particular, this refers to the article “Urban Socialism. Sewage. Tram. Water "in which you can read the following:" Abroad, in many cities, sidewalks are cleaned with brushes every day, and in some cities with soap, and at home we do not wash the floors every day and adults and children also breathe dust. "- a very significant informational passage, for all subsequent years has turned into a kind of informational cliché. In the most recent issues of Our Way, articles appeared with headlines such as Persecutions, Closing Newspapers, which reported on the closure of non-Bolshevik newspapers in a number of Russian cities.

As for the purely Bolshevik publications, so much was written about them at Soviet times at all levels that in this case it makes sense to mention only some of its interesting points. So, it was in the Bolshevik newspaper “The Voice of Truth” and it was at this time that the call “Everything for the front, everything for victory!” Was first heard, which became so popular during the Great Patriotic War.


The anarchists had their own newspapers ...

In the spring and summer of 1918, three socialist publications in foreign languages ​​were published in the Penza province. Thus, the Bolsheviks sought to influence the foreign prisoners of war in the city and thus pull them over to their side. The first was called “Die Weltbefreing” (“Liberation of the World”) - and was published in German, the editor of which was Heinrich Obshtetter. He participated in the days of the White-Czech rebellion in Penza’s defense, worked as head of the department for foreign prisoners of the provincial board of prisoners and refugees, and actively participated in all major provincial political events. The newspaper Vilagszabatsag (World Freedom) was published by a Hungarian group of prisoners of war. Finally, Ceskoslovenska Ruda Armaja (the Czech-Slovak Red Army) was an organ of the Czechoslovak Red Army Communists, and was published in Czech, Slovak and Russian. She played a role in the political education of Czechoslovak prisoners of war and in bringing to the side of Soviet power a certain part of the soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps. It was edited by a member of the revolutionary movement since 1905, professional journalist Arthur Getl. The main task of the newspaper was to inform prisoners of war about events in Russia, about the class struggle in their homeland, explaining to them the ideas of Marxism-Leninism and shaping a sense of proletarian internationalism.

It should be noted that an important problem at that time was the shortage of “intelligent workers”, about hiring of which as registrars for bread accounting in the village even special announcements were printed in newspapers. It was suggested that high school students of high classes should be registered, and the salary should have been as much as five rubles a day with travel payments at the expense of the land committee. That is, “intelligent” labor cadres were required even at that time, and no revolutionary impulse could replace them!

Also in the spring of 1918 of the year, in the conditions of the acute struggle of various social and political forces of various ideologies, the Penza Provincial Committee of the RCP (B) began to publish a new daily "Hammer". It showed and analyzed current Russian events from the point of view of Bolshevik doctrines. Practically everything that was printed in the newspaper — from short informational messages to poems — was aimed at educating its readers in the spirit of Marxist-Leninist ideology, i.e. performed purely political tasks. At the same time, the articles on the front page gave an overview of current events in Russia and abroad. Much attention was paid here to the theme that was marching towards the end of the First World War and which was soon expected by the publishers of the newspaper of the world revolution. The predatory policy of the imperialist states (about which, again, many of our authors and bloggers write with indignation today!) Was naturally sharply criticized, and, of course, it was told about the intensification of the class struggle in Western countries. Of course, all the working people were called for unity and for toughening the struggle in the name of the world revolution: "not a single concession to the bourgeoisie, no mercy in the last struggle against its performances!"

In many articles published in Molot, other socialist parties of Russia were harshly criticized, who did not agree with the policies of the Bolsheviks. Here are the very characteristic headlines of articles on this topic: "Former Socialists", "There is no black sheep in the family", "Impossible, gentlemen, sir!", "Comfortable teaching" (about anarchists), "They took off the mask", "Not friends, and predators. " That is, the journalists of the winning party were not too shy in expressing “to the former”, although today in denunciations of those who disagree we give a head start to the then “accusers”. Our language has become clearly richer!

He was engaged in the “Hammer” and directly political education of readers, publishing articles containing the main provisions of Marxism-Leninism. So, in the issue of 5 in May 1918, three such articles appeared, dedicated to the anniversary of Karl Marx "Karl Marx", "What did Marx give to the workers?", "Karl Marx - Russian political criminal". And in the "Hammer" printed a lot of poems - and satirical, and revolutionary - pathetic, which were found in almost every issue. The names of these works speak for themselves: “Bagmen”, “The Tale of Freedom”, “March of the Communists”, “Singers of the Proletarian Peaks”. Many authors (mostly local) in verses glorified the working people: “To the Guymen”, “At the Factory”, “In the Foundry Workshop”, “Proletarian Writer”. Interestingly, this tradition — to print the poems of the “working people” —was also preserved by the modern communist press of Penza and, just as then, despite sincerity and topicality, “this is far from Pushkin.”

It is interesting that the newspaper also noted the shortcomings that had occurred in the Bolshevik Party, that is, the beginning Soviet journalists did not hesitate to “remove the rubbish from the hut”. So, for example, the Bolshevik A. Markin in his article “The Disease of our Party” wrote directly that the Communists did not attend party meetings, that “the Council was consumed by all”. As a result of this, in his opinion, life in the party begins to freeze, and "Soviet workers are detached from the masses." Solutions, as always, were offered in an imperative spirit: “to introduce party service for all Soviet workers,” and in conclusion, proclaiming the “slogan of the moment” - “Back to the party!”. Those. under the conditions of effectively organized work in the soviets, the activity of the Bolshevik party proper was, in general, clearly not needed, and it is not surprising that the slogan “For the Soviets, but without the Communists” was subsequently born!


This newspaper was also published in Penza. How many different prints were there then, weren’t there?

The content of the newspaper "The Penza poor" in many respects coincided with the content of the "Hammer". However, in it even more attention was paid to foreign events, as if the poor from this could become richer! At the same time, the international news heading was called “The Beginning of the World Revolution”, and judging by the materials published in it, it turned out that the world revolution had already begun.

Reports from the fronts of the civil war were published in the section “Struggle against the counterrevolution”. The events that took place in the regions of Russia, occupied by white troops, and the decisions taken by the command of the White Guard units and the governments that supported them, were described in short messages under the rubric “In the camp of the White Guards”.

On the state of affairs in the Penza province reported notes under the heading "On the province." Here, much attention was paid to the changes that occurred in the countryside, as well as the work of the provincial committees of the poor. And it is interesting to note that it turns out - and in one of the notes on this topic it was stated directly that when organizing the committees of the poor in the Moksha district, it was noted that "the poorer and the smaller the village, the more successful the organization of the communist cells and the committees of the poor goes." And, on the contrary, “in villages with six seven thousand people, with shops, trade institutions ... the creation and activities of the committees are extremely difficult”, i.e. The "trampling" character of the revolution itself in the village, and the activity of the combos in the province, for an attentive and thoughtful reader, could not help but be noticed!

The notes and correspondence published under the heading "Spiders and flies" also dealt with the class struggle in the village. Here the letters of peasant activists from villages and villages of the Penza province were constantly printed, the authors of which called on the poor to get out of the influence of the "kulaks" and fight exploitation ie The “voice of the people” in the Bolshevik newspapers was now used in the most active way, which was not noticed even some 10 years ago. However, the peasants wrote not only about kulak and priestly "outrages", but also about drunkenness in separate Soviets and other negative facts of the life of the peasants of that time.

There were also published articles of an enlightenment nature, which told about the different stages of the history of the national liberation movement. For example, in the issue number 112-114 an article “Pugachevshchina” was published, where not only it was told about the causes and course of the peasant war under the leadership of E.I. Pugacheva, but also its historical significance was explained in a popular way. Numerous caricatures were published on the images of the class enemy, published in virtually every issue of the Penza poor. Most often they reflected the vicissitudes of international politics and episodes of intervention, civil war, the struggle against the kulaks, etc. Selected caricatures were supplied with poetic comments.

In December, 1918, the “Hammer” and “The Penza poor” merged, and the first issue of the “Penza commune” was released on December 16. The new newspaper became full-length and was published daily on four pages. Its editors were S. Davydov and A. Marin. The editorial of the first issue, written by Marin and entitled “The Penza Commune”, spoke about the goals pursued by the publication - “to give the masses (ordinary workers and peasants) an interesting popular newspaper that even a semi-literate reader could easily read and assimilate. It should touch on the most burning problems of the life of the workers and peasants, post short notes on current events and comment, explain them to the reader, be a friend, loyal interlocutor and leader of the working people. ” At the end of the article there was an appeal to readers asking for assistance in distributing the newspaper and cooperating with it.

From the "Penza poor" in a new edition of the headings: "The Beginning of the World Revolution", "Over the White Light", "In the camp of the White Guards", and from the "Hammer" - "News from the Village", "Working Life", "By Counties" . Reports from the fronts of the civilian were published under the heading "On the Red Front". As in previous editions, the Penza Commune published many stories, satires and cartoons. The section of humor was called in the newspaper “Knots and Hitch”.

The traditional section in the newspaper was the column “Party Life”, where there were also calls for the recovery of the party. Under the “Red Calendar” rubric it was reported about events that happened on this day in the past years - a tradition that successfully moved to many newspapers of today!

The newspaper maintained intensive feedback with the reader. This is clearly seen in the materials under the headings "Complaints of the reader" and "Mailbox". Here were printed and letters from readers, and the answers that were given to them by the editors.

Since January 29, Penza Commune began to appear on wrapping paper, and its last issue saw the light of February 10 of the year.

Since there were quite a few foreign citizens in the Penza military garrison, from 14 July 1918, the newspaper Za Svoboda (the military body of the Penza Red Army) began to appear in the city twice a week. The article “From the Editors” stated that it would be printed in Russian, Czech-Slovak, German, Hungarian, Latvian, Serbian, Polish and other languages ​​in order to rally the Penza international garrison around the newspaper.


Odessa newspaper "Struggle" 1919 of the year.

It is interesting that in it we meet a different look at the problems that existed in the Bolshevik Party. In the article “It's Time to Understand” (signed by the pseudonym “Proletary”) its author wrote that “the dark mass of the people are reading the newspapers ...”, therefore, “by revealing party feuds on the newspaper’s pages, we thereby embarrass, split the proletariat, thereby weakening his revolutionary spirit and strength. " This is how the “dark people” party differences should not be known!

The article by V. Kuraev “Proletarian in the village” again highlighted the need for more active propaganda of propaganda in the village. That “in every provincial city it is necessary to publish small newspapers of the“ Bednoty ”type and distribute them for free in tens of thousands”, and also to use the usual character of the people - songwriters, calendars, and popular prints with verses. The main slogan of the publication was the call: “Long live the ruthless iron dictatorship of the urban and rural poor!” [8.C.1.] The newspaper described in detail the suppression of armed demonstrations against the Soviet government, and it was emphasized that all its enemies would be destroyed in the most ruthless manner . That is, the stake in the information impact on the public was largely made on fear (which the tsarist government lacked! - note by the authors SA and VO) and this practice, as we all well know, completely paid off!

The county newspaper “The Voice of the Poor” became a very curious example of the Soviet revolutionary press. This newspaper began to appear in 1919, and from the very first issue appealed to readers with a proposal to establish close feedback, and subsequently constantly reminded him of this. “You give little information, correspond little to a newspaper! Comrades, send more! ...Without hesitation! All that is fair will be placed. ”

The newspaper as a whole was even more revolutionary than the newspapers published in the provincial center. In any case, it contained much more brief appeals and appeals that were both informational and clearly slogan in nature: “Families of deserters are deprived of rations and the right to use land; “Read the newspaper to the illiterate. It is your duty, comrade! ”Etc. The newspaper paid much attention to the fight against religion. In particular, the author A. Blumenthal in his article “School and Faith” explained that faith in God was born in a moment of national despair and that now she was dying because she was a tool of people's enslavement, which is now destroyed. “Long live a free man and his new free faith!” He finished his article with a rather peculiar appeal [9.C.3]. The layout of the materials themselves in the newspaper was extremely motley. Often, information from abroad coexisted with instructions on how to sow!

To be continued ...

Sources:
1. Penza speech. 1917. No. 1.
2. Ibid.
3. Ibid. No. 50.
4. "Struggle" No. 29.
5. "Our way." 1917. No. 1.
6. "Our way". 1917. No. 2.
7. Ibid.
8. "Poor" 1918. No. 6.
9. "Voice of the poor" 1919. No. 65.
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  1. Cat
    +4
    17 August 2017 07: 02
    Good morning Vyachelav Olegovich!
    We continue our discussion. Yesterday, we already came to the conclusion that the educational opportunities in central Russia and the mining Urals were radically different.
    As part of today's topic, I have nothing to do with you, because its first newspaper in my hometown of Lower Sergi was published in 1931. Although it should be noted that despite all the hardships and the change of names (Forward, Lenin banner, New Time), it exists today. And thanks to the editor Chertkov, the newspaper is not published in a buy-sell format.
    1. +3
      17 August 2017 07: 33
      Well, this is not my merit - ha ha! Penza Pravda and Young Leninist (!) Survived in Penza, and new newspapers appeared. A number of 90s newspapers "died." The New Exchange Newspaper and the communist newspaper Beloved City died, but something else appeared. However, my first article in Penza truth appeared just in 1977, it will be an anniversary in the fall! And the possibilities are certainly different. It was very difficult for people engaged in heavy physical labor to get an education.
      1. Cat
        +5
        17 August 2017 09: 47
        The problem is in the state system! The narrow, later provincial city of Penza is one thing, the mining center of Serginsky and Ufaleysky factories Nizhny Sergi is another. By the way, the status of the city was received only in 1943. Initially unequal conditions!
        If we compare Penza with Yekaterinburg or Perm, then there is a different picture, and not in favor of Penza, but again the flavor of the Urals. For example, propaganda leaflets in Arabic script for native Tatars and Bashkirs. Another touch of the newspaper produced during the capture of Yekaterinburg Kolchak! An interesting fact is that some journalists did not even change their pseudonyms.
        I just did not understand your statement about the impossibility of combining hard work and scientific activity? Last year he pulled out his former colleagues on "strada". Someone stood the day, someone - all five. They wished me all fall, but this year the number of people who wished to "rest" was twice as much! The neighbor was happy, I don’t need to hire a drunk; everyone is motivated until I can’t, even those who "screwed up" the next day last year worked out to the fullest. Everything should be in moderation!
        1. +3
          17 August 2017 13: 08
          I guess I put it inaccurately. I meant a man of a working profession under the king. When he was educated and engaged in science. I can first work in the country, and then at the computer. But how much did I go to this, yes?
          1. Cat
            +4
            17 August 2017 14: 56
            My grandfather said that he started helping his father at the logging since he was 10 years old. For the first two years, he chopped off branches of fallen trees and pulled them into heaps. With 12 years old, stood at the pale. And so all summer holidays, 6 days a week. The plant switched to coal only in 1936. On September 1, when the children went to school, it was a double holiday, not only a day of knowledge and the day when they paid the full settlement
            1. Cat
              +3
              17 August 2017 15: 27
              Moreover, the guys worked in the summer, including the children of craftsmen, shop managers and party secretaries. It was believed that when you became a worker you should own a factory specialty. In fact, the plant itself was preparing a shift. First you are a student, then an apprentice, a master, etc. my second great-great-grandfather was a dam and part-time blacksmith, the position was hereditary. Before he became a flesh master, he spent 20 years as a student. In Soviet times, it was easier. When the factory was transferred to coal, my grandfather was sent along the Komsomol line to Chebarkul (based on the fact that if the profession is not in demand, then ....) and there my grandfather managed to get a working specialty - a hairdresser!
  2. +4
    17 August 2017 08: 03
    Kuraev Vasily Vladimirovich, if I am not mistaken in 1933 for anti-Stalinist speech at the meeting and the distribution of a letter criticizing the party leadership, he was expelled from the CPSU (b) and arrested. He was exiled somewhere to the Urals. In 1936, on the eve of his release from exile, he was again arrested, convicted, sent to a gold mine in Orotukan, Magadan Region. During the exile he kept a diary, which caused him to be sentenced to 5 years, since the diary entries were, according to investigators and the court, counter-revolutionary in nature. For which, in fact, he was sentenced to death. The sentence was carried out. In Penza, he led the Soviets and was the editor of party and Soviet newspapers, wrote articles under the pseudonyms Derevensky, Elm, Skaldov. The period of stay in Penza seemed from December 1917 to August 1918 ... Further on the road V.V. Kuraev and Penza parted. He was on the fronts of the Civil War. Then, at senior positions in the Supreme Economic Council. Sam Kuraev, a native of Penza, from a family of employees, graduated from high school, then studied at St. Petersburg University. He spent two years in the trenches of the WWII.
    1. Cat
      +3
      17 August 2017 09: 50
      The worst thing is to "live in a time of change!"
  3. +6
    17 August 2017 08: 05
    So, it was in the Bolshevik newspaper “The Voice of Truth” and precisely at that time that the appeal “Everything for the front, everything for victory!” Sounded so popular during the years of World War II.

    No no it's a slogan World War I in Russia: http://kraeved.biblio-irbit.ru/kraevedcheskie-dat
    y-2 / k-100-letiyu-pervoj-mirovoj-vojny-na-urale / ur
    al-v-gody-pervoj-mirovoj-vojny /.

    In general, the article is very interesting and confirms the words of Ulyanov that Russia after February"the freest country in the world." .
    Many thanks to the author! Such collections are very informative and instructive.
  4. +3
    17 August 2017 08: 49
    Vyacheslav, thank you for the interesting articles. In the 90s there were publications that in those years a maternity law was issued on “socialization of a woman,” but what was the reality like? Some of our communists claim that no such maternity existed and this is a fiction of modern anti-communists.
    What were the first maternity decisions of local Bolsheviks after the seizure of power? How did the people respond to the change of power? What recipes for solving city problems did newspapers offer? All this is interesting
    1. +2
      17 August 2017 08: 56
      Quote: Monarchist
      What recipes for solving city problems did newspapers offer?

      Interesting questions for everything I have no answer. As for the nationalization of women, I will not say anything. What I read ... mmm, somehow not very credible. But about the nationalization of the housing stock - 100%. I have a document that in 1918 my grandfather's house was nationalized. And then in 1929 denationalization was carried out, the procedure was signed in detail, it was indicated for what now, as the owner, he would be responsible. That is, at least in Penza (and most likely everywhere!) The residential background was nationalized!
      1. Cat
        +4
        17 August 2017 10: 07
        A small touch, if there was something to nationalize from the housing stock! On the example of my hometown, only 1917 dwellings were nationalized from 1931 to 17! The rest of the city consisted of wooden huts, the value of which was quoted from the number of windows on the facade "house with three windows", "four", "six". Apparently because of this, the last 5 nationalized two-story wooden houses were nationalized, but in an interesting way. Two were given to school, one on a day nursery. And the two remaining ones were given to the former owners, radically dividing the youth and the elderly with the walls of slabs. Youth liked it, the elderly do not!
        But there was an interesting feint with the creation of schools, where classrooms were made on the ground floor, and the residential building in which the former owners lived was on the second floor. Such a kalumbur remained until 1937, the construction of new schools and kindergartens.
        1. +1
          17 August 2017 13: 28
          Probably in different cities it was different. My grandfather had a one-story 3-window house. Behind the wall is the 3-window house of his brother under one roof. Both were nationalized. And one must assume that other houses along this street also. He stood in the middle, not from the beginning, not from the end. So the whole street was nationalized. But it was then the outskirts. Nafig she was so needed. So nationalized everything in a row most likely.
          1. Cat
            +1
            18 August 2017 05: 26
            Vyacheslav Olegovich - the question is, after the nationalization of the house of your grandfather, his family and his brother's family were evicted?
            1. +1
              18 August 2017 06: 30
              No, of course! And where would they live otherwise? As I understand from the documents, HOUSING NATIONALIZED, PEOPLE IN IT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED OWNERS, but continued to live in it! And then in 1929 they decided to denationalize. Return to the property with the ability to buy-sell, the obligation to repair the fence, paint it ... etc. Here is how it was. That is, maybe, on the basis of this decision, someone was evicted somewhere - the LAW IS ONE FOR EVERYBODY, but on Proletarskaya Street in Penza it did not affect anyone! Yes, and where was the eviction and for what? Grandfather - a communist, foodstuff, teacher ... the house has two rooms, a canopy, a closet and a stove. For 5 people. My grandfather’s brother had a family of two, rooms - 4. But they were not touched at all. So, as I say, you can never generalize, you never need extremes and you always need to know exactly what exactly it is. It’s like with the vague term “there are victims”. Who was hurt, how was hurt, killed, wounded, burned pants?
      2. +3
        18 August 2017 09: 27
        Quote: kalibr
        But about the nationalization of the housing stock

        the new government adopted the DECREE of August 20, 1918 ABOUT CANCELING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS IN REAL ESTATE IN CITIES.

        Not only were real estate taken from people, but they were first compacted, and then completely thrown into barracks. At the same time they forced to pay off before the robbery .... all their real estate debts belay

        At the same time, a decree was adopted that the state is the heir of deceased people (with living heirs) ..... fool

        Government decrees are entertaining reading.
    2. +2
      17 August 2017 09: 41
      Obviously you mean "Decree of the Saratov Provincial Council of People's Commissars on the abolition of private ownership of women."
      Ideological sabotage already existed then. The author of this "ideological mine" is considered the owner of the Saratov teahouse Uvarov. The Khlebobakers are very fond of this document and they defend with the breast the thesis that this is the essence of Bolshevism. We see the idea like, but do not want to admit. To avoid copy-paste, look at the link http://www.gumer.info/bibliotek_Buks/History/Arti
      cle / dekr_obotm.php.
      1. +3
        17 August 2017 10: 14
        Case No. 18
        SPECIAL COMMISSION FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF THE Bolsheviks' atrocities, CONSISTING UNDER THE CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES IN THE SOUTH OF RUSSIA
        ACT OF INVESTIGATION on the socialization of girls and women in the mountains. Yekaterinodar by the mandates of the Soviet government

        In the spring of 1918, in the city of Yekaterinodar, the Bolsheviks issued a decree printed in the Izvestia Council and glued on pillars, according to which girls aged 16 to 25 were
        "socialization", and those wishing to take advantage of this decree should contact the subject revolutionary institutions. The initiator of this "socialization" was the Commissioner for Home Affairs, Jew Bronstein. He also issued “mandates” for this “socialization”.
        This is the essence of Bolshevism.
        1. +4
          17 August 2017 12: 18
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          The initiator of this "socialization" was the Commissioner for Home Affairs, Jew Bronstein. He also issued “mandates” for this “socialization”. This is the essence of Bolshevism.

          Sorry, but Bronstein (Trotsky) never entered the Leninist faction of the "Bolsheviks" of the RSDLP. He himself was the founder of another faction of the "unionists" and took part in the work of the faction of the "Mensheviks" and always opposed Lenin. With what fright did you record him in the "Bolsheviks"? And by the way, where did such "parties" like the "Mensheviks" and "united" go? Please understand the basic concepts, otherwise you are a member of the Masonic lodge "Bnay-Brit" of the highest level decided to call immediately "Bolshevik", it is not clear on what basis. By the way, the party of the CPSU (b) included former members of many of the factions and even parties, try to take a closer look at this issue because there were members of the BUND and eSeR communists. And who is there, and from which party was it really just there? Be careful and even watchful (enemies are often among us).
          1. +1
            18 August 2017 19: 58
            This is another Bronstein, not Three. There in all fractions there were many brackets.
        2. +1
          18 August 2017 19: 52
          I consider this document to be completely true.
      2. 0
        17 August 2017 13: 14
        I don’t remember, dear Viktor Nikolaevich, I don’t remember. I only remember that I read, but did not find any serious links either then or later. But it was in the 90s and then it became no longer interesting to me.
  5. +3
    17 August 2017 11: 51
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    This is the essence of Bolshevism.


    Why did you just bust, and where is the photo of the mandate? Why not presented?
    There is also a photo. http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/2/2/1
    83/2183495 _______ 1.JPG

    This fake has been walking since 1919, when this “mandate”, allegedly issued by the Bolsheviks, was published in a Swedish newspaper.

    There is the signature of the non-existent commander-in-chief Ivashchev (there was no such commander-in-chief in the Red Army), the date on the mandate was wiped, so that it was impossible to determine the time, because Ekaterinodar was a very short time in the hands of the Soviet government, and therefore, in order not to be mistaken with the dates, the falsifiers date greased.

    The seal of the headquarters of the "revolutionary forces of the North Caucasian Soviet Republic", put on a mandate in the spring of 1918, also simply could not be, because such a republic was formed only in July 1918.

    In general, the adjutant Pan Ataman Gritsay-Tauride (film “Wedding in the Robin”) could write you such mandates.

    And here is an excerpt from an allegedly instituted case
    “So, for example, a 5th grade student of one of the Yekaterinodar gymnasiums was raped for twelve days by a whole group of Red Army soldiers, then the Bolsheviks tied her to a tree and burned them with fire and, finally, they shot him”

    Oh, these Bolsheviks, what animals. And do you believe that?

    PS Yes, and what do you understand in Bolshevism?
    Bolshevism is the theory and practice of socialist construction in the USSR! It was a high point of our Motherland, and therefore do not stain our history with your dirty paws.

    For information to readers of the forum, the exposure of this fake can be read at http://shatsky.livejournal.com/14485.html
    1. +4
      17 August 2017 11: 57
      Well, I live in the Kuban, if this is true.
      And your Soviet Motherland threw the hooves in 1991 good
      And why didn’t anyone protect her, since she was so star-like laughing
      1. Cat
        +7
        17 August 2017 12: 45
        Well, I live in the Kuban, if this is true.
        And your Soviet Motherland threw the hooves in 1991 good
        And why didn’t anyone protect her, since she was so star-like laughing

        I can’t understand one thing? Is the homeland chosen !? Naturally you can choose, but it somehow smacks of betrayal. Moreover, the time machine has not yet been invented.
        So, as for the majority of Russians, the Motherland is one for me: the Russian Federation, the USSR, the Russian Empire, etc. in descending order. To rejoice that the "Soviet Russia is bent" is probably the lot of people wretched and poor. In my understanding, this is to receive joy from the fact that a neighbor has a fire in the apartment below. Perhaps he will burn, but he will not touch us.
        1. +2
          18 August 2017 06: 25
          Quote: Kotischa I can’t understand one thing? Is the homeland chosen !? Naturally you can choose, but it somehow smacks of betrayal.

          At the expense of the Kuban. The old Soviet joke is recalled: Didu, shaw? How am I an American shpien? You bother me - I’m a dude! - Yaky are you garni lad, when you nigga lipped?»
      2. +3
        17 August 2017 20: 29
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        Well, I live in the Kuban, if this is true.

        Yeah ... "A Cossack mishandled!" (c) Is not a quote about you?
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        And your Soviet Motherland threw the hooves in 1991
        And why didn’t anyone protect her, since she was so star-like

        Well, it’s nice, with us, right now, everywhere, democracy and every desman can make judgments about things that are inaccessible to the deserted consciousness. You do not hesitate, continue - entertains. )))
        1. +3
          18 August 2017 06: 21
          Quote: HanTengri You do not hesitate, continue - entertains. )))

    2. +5
      17 August 2017 12: 04
      Green !! Do not waste your energy discussing with the troll. Without food in the form of response comments, they die, poisoning themselves with their own poison.
      1. +7
        17 August 2017 12: 05
        Quote: Curious
        Without food in the form of response comments, they die, poisoning with their own poison

        Your words - yes to God’s ears ..... laughing
        good
        1. +3
          17 August 2017 12: 28
          so get used to the realities and endure. Yes
        2. +6
          17 August 2017 12: 44

          Never, under any circumstances, enter into a conversation with him! The troll is not inclined to constructive conversation, its purpose is to throw mud at you. This is not a person, but an anonymous nickname, a hole through which dirt erupts into virtual space, like sewage in the real world.
          A troll is one who is not satisfied with life. He cannot realize himself in the real world: in personal relationships, in work. This is due to the fact that a person does not receive from life what he was counting on. He lives according to the principle “they did not give me enough”: the world - recognition, the mother - love, the teacher - attention, the boss - salaries, the wife - se .. ksa, se ... ks - satisfaction.
          In their own way, unhappy people. But you can’t feed. Even out of pity.
          1. +1
            17 August 2017 23: 23
            Let me disagree. You can’t give a damn about trolls; the problem is a fragile brain. Only for this we need discussions. But you do not want to read A. Samsonov’s articles all the time? Links, you give to what sources? Generations are changing, and if, you. if you don’t want to receive historical information from satirists, you need a conversation. What the troll does not receive from life is its problems, the question of those who are just starting to live.
            1. 0
              18 August 2017 20: 53
              Samsonov’s articles are interesting to me, but that doesn’t mean that I completely agree
    3. 0
      18 August 2017 20: 49
      Green, the veracity of this decision can be checked in the archive.
      But the local initiative or from the center is another matter
  6. +4
    17 August 2017 12: 34
    Quote: Curious
    Green !! Do not waste your energy discussing with the troll. Without food in the form of response comments, they die, poisoning themselves with their own poison.

    I’m writing not for him, but for those who, having read his poisoned opus, cannot find an antidote. Such as he can’t convince, I already have such experience, I discussed on one of the Kuban sites of the monarchists precisely on this issue, to my arguments, they burst into such abuse that I had never heard in my entire life.
    1. +2
      17 August 2017 13: 20
      This is a subjective view, maybe it wasn’t a scolding, but a clear, precise presentation of the position.
      You do not like the position of opponents?
      So what to do?
    2. +4
      17 August 2017 13: 43
      Like is drawn to like, Alexander. Those who "take pleasure" should not be sorry, because they are worth it. The case is inoperable. Victor is right in my opinion.
      1. 0
        17 August 2017 13: 53
        Quote: kalibr
        So nationalized everything in a row most likely.

        By 1935, all houses in the USSR were nationalized.
        In the village, too, by the way.
        This, realities, but to indignantly clatter about this matter is vain.
    3. +2
      17 August 2017 15: 40
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Quote: Curious
      Green !! Do not waste your energy discussing with the troll. Without food in the form of response comments, they die, poisoning themselves with their own poison.

      I’m writing not for him, but for those who, having read his poisoned opus, cannot find an antidote. Such as he can’t convince, I already have such experience, I discussed on one of the Kuban sites of the monarchists precisely on this issue, to my arguments, they burst into such abuse that I had never heard in my entire life.

      Thank you for wasting your time, Alexander. Even at night. I have no doubt that this is beneficial for everyone ----- those who know a lot and those who can’t understand anything at all
      1. +3
        17 August 2017 15: 52
        Dmitry, have you noticed that in the photo of the "English delegation" Kirpichnikov is posing? A rare shot! that’s what I’m looking at, whose face it is impudently familiar .. what
        1. +2
          17 August 2017 16: 36
          No, Nikolai, he didn’t. He stayed for me in that article. By the way, a very good example of misunderstanding
          1. +3
            17 August 2017 16: 42
            misunderstanding of what? how did they make a hero out of an impudent non-commissioned non-killer, and he himself was stunned by his glory? drinks
            1. +2
              17 August 2017 17: 08
              Well, he didn’t understand at first why his fate had changed, and then he didn’t understand that not everyone liked it, that fate could change again. He thought that all his life they would honor and praise him. But no !.
              1. +2
                17 August 2017 18: 37
                There was such an emigrant philosopher Ilyin. He also explored such a specific social stratum — the product of political reforms and social transformations — the children of “vile” fathers, immigrants from peasants: peasants, philistines, petty merchants, during the period of the greatest participation in the historical events of their country - 1900 -1920s Gave him the name "semi-intelligent."
                So everything is explainable, there is no mystery.
                1. +2
                  17 August 2017 19: 16
                  many of these people felt “on horseback” during the years of the revolution, it has always been so, from Bonaparte to Bulak-Balakhovich and various red marshals.
                  1. +2
                    17 August 2017 19: 30
                    Napoleon does not fit. Though small, but aristocracy. Napoleon's ancestors came from Florence and lived in Corsica since 1529. Carlo Buonaparte, Napoleon's father, served as a lay judge and had an annual income of 22,5 thousand livres.
                    Napoleon’s mother, Letizia Ramolino, was a very attractive and strong-willed woman, the daughter of the late general inspector of Corsican bridges and roads, had a large dowry and position in society.
                    1. 0
                      18 August 2017 09: 56
                      had a great dowry and position in society

                      apparently, her great fecundity also helped to quickly get rid of a large dowry. Otherwise, why is the young Bonaparte positioned as a naked rogue? fellow
                      1. +2
                        18 August 2017 10: 44
                        Honestly, about the holozadny rogue - this is not true. It may be worth reading, Tulara, “Napoleon, or the myth of the“ savior. ”Of course, his family did not turn over millions, but in Corsica until 1782 it occupied a very worthy position.
                        In 1782, Napoleon's father received a concession and a royal grant for the establishment of a mulberry tree nursery. Three years later, the Corsica parliament revoked the concession, allegedly due to non-compliance with its conditions. At the same time, the Buonaparte family had big debts and an obligation to return the grant. On February 24, 1785, his father died and Napoleon took on the role of the head of the family, although according to the rules his older brother Joseph should have done it. On September 28 of the same year, he completed his education ahead of schedule and on November 3 began his professional career in the artillery regiment de La Fer in Valence with the rank of junior artillery lieutenant. As you can see, the beginning of his career coincided with the financial problems of the family, which he took upon himself. Hence his extremely poor lifestyle at the beginning of his career. But he was not a starving man.
                  2. +2
                    17 August 2017 21: 32
                    Quote: Mikado
                    many of these people felt “on horseback” during the years of the revolution, it has always been so, from Bonaparte to Bulak-Balakhovich and various red marshals.

                    Perhaps your words can be attributed to the 90s of the last century. But it can also be attributed to those representatives of the show business who seem to have gained fame and then left the race and everyone forgot them
  7. +2
    17 August 2017 15: 29
    Quote: Kotischa
    So, as for the majority of Russians, the Motherland is one for me:

    Soviet and Russian enemies. It's simple.
    1. Cat
      +5
      17 August 2017 19: 27
      Soviet and Russian enemies. It's simple.

      ? I don’t even know how to react to your pearl Sergey! In 1991, after June 12, were Russians supposed to slaughter Russians who had a Soviet past? Or in 1917 did all Russians go into exile? And who stayed that ......! There is such a science called formal logic, read at your leisure, you will find a lot for yourself new!
      1. +3
        17 August 2017 19: 38
        "I don’t even know how to react." The answer, I think, can be found in these books.
        1. +5
          17 August 2017 20: 31
          How to react? HOW you yourself, Victor, wrote above ----- do not feed the trolls. After all, it is clear that he wants to tease, piss off at least someone, grimaces like a monkey in a zoo. Maybe he even dreams that someone will lose his temper and become angry. However, once he is mistaken, we somehow know .....
          1. +4
            17 August 2017 23: 44
            Interfering in your dialogue. Your comments are not for trolls, believe Benjamin is no longer possible to convince. Comments are needed to reduce the likelihood of new Samsonovs, Kaptsovs and others. How to fight? Either reasonable links to available resources, or bring their ideas to the point of absurdity.
            1. +3
              18 August 2017 02: 17
              Quote: mar4047083
              Interfering in your dialogue. Your comments are not for trolls,
              Either reasonable links to available resources, or bring their ideas to the point of absurdity.

              Alexander Green knows a lot, he still knows how to explain what is not available to everyone. And, he alone is enough. After all, the troll needs to involve everyone, so that everything around him is something like joy, something like a buzz for him. And if the troll sees that he has little attention, and that the opponent knows more than him, he will be furious, puffed up, bounce higher, he will bring himself to absurdity and fall into a ditch with sewage !!!!! How many of these trolls were this happened before our eyes !!!!! "" The case is typical, typical, typical ...... ""
        2. +4
          18 August 2017 06: 18
          Quote: Curious "I don’t even know how to react." The answer, I think, can be found in these books.

          I think Victor, these books will not give an answer. The answer is simple:

          And he himself is one of these:
      2. 0
        17 August 2017 19: 45
        It is a big sin to slice the weak and cowardly little people, which are Soviet people.
        Only affection, clarification and exhortation, rays of love and kindness, trickles of compassion can alleviate their suffering.
        That is what I do on this forum bully
        But if a person in 2017 stupidly faps on Dzhugashvilka with Apfelbaum and Blank, then here is a very serious condition.
        1. Cat
          +7
          17 August 2017 20: 19
          Sergey, whom do you think are weak?
          Moreover, whom do you want to “cut”, but only because of your inner convictions are you ready to explain?
          Apparently respected Victor is right "clinic"!
          I don’t know to cry or rejoice when the lady of the apron gives such an opponent. It is sad that the Russian land bears such a miracle and the neighbors endure. Or rejoice that against the backdrop of such a miracle of Juda, everyone seems so reasonable!
          And all the same answer who we will cut. All born before 1991 or those born after 1917?
          1. +4
            18 August 2017 02: 37
            Vlad, was he born after 93? HA-HA-HA !!!!! psychiatrists nervously smoking aside,
            They want to return to the psychiatric hospital, FSE happens. Probably, after all, before 93 he was born. Then he himself must twist the rope.
    2. +5
      17 August 2017 20: 59
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Soviet and Russian enemies. It's simple.

      ABOUT! And, here, from this place, in more detail, pliz! laughing Well, don't be shy. Here are all mine! Tell us already, which monsters are eating you, there, in the dark depths of your subconscious? wassat
      1. +4
        18 August 2017 05: 34
        This is not a greeting from the subconscious, this is a greeting from the State Department. I don’t remember who, but at one of the intelligence questions, it was said that the goal of the "partners" was to introduce into the consciousness of people in the post-Soviet space, the idiom that there are "Russians" and "Soviet". So it’s either shell-shocked idiom or Svidomo on salary / more likely /.
        1. +4
          18 August 2017 06: 40
          Quote: avva2012
          This is not a greeting from the subconscious, this is a greeting from the State Department. I don’t remember who, but at one of the intelligence questions, it was said that the goal of the "partners" was to introduce into the consciousness of people in the post-Soviet space, the idiom that there are "Russians" and "Soviet". So it’s either shell-shocked idiom or Svidomo on salary / more likely /.

          Voooot, what the specialist in diseases said !!!!!! So the State Department has been engaged in various countries for a long time !!!!! Well, what can I do, such a job in the Troll. I have to earn some money. And it is framed as, But interesting.? AS an agent or journalist? Are they paid per diem? And what? Is the training manual fat? What if he starts to play, but gets into a mental hospital? And vdrgg in prison? Then ----- Kerdyk assignment and salary! And the title will not increase !!!!
          1. +2
            18 August 2017 08: 51
            And the title will not increase !!!!

            And the title is one, unprintable.
          2. 0
            18 August 2017 12: 43
            Dear Dmitry! It is good that you ask such questions. For some reason, it’s against the wool for some reason, then it is obligatory about the State Department and the salary from there and per diem. Have you ever received money from there? Do you know how it is arranged? How was it in the 90s? Like now? What kind of control is exercised over currency transfers and in general ... "control" over citizens ... by ... authorities. And most importantly - what’s most interesting for our person? HOW MUCH PAY? and here I will tell you. Advertising companies for the post in the comments - 200 p. In the West, for an article in 8 thousand signs - $ 80. Now consider whether it is profitable? And you will see that no ... So most of the stories about State Department agents writing comments on the VO are the result of the work of journalists who "cut down" easy money and people read and fear ... "enemies around". I do not want to say that from there they "do not pay" for it. Probably pay. I would pay, for example. I would find idiots. But this is by no means on such a scale, as is evident from our media and the comments of the local "experts". There will be more problems, after the "conversation", where it follows ... and money ... not enough!
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And vdrgg in prison? Then ----- Kerdyk assignment and salary! And the title will not increase !!!!

            You wrote it differently than I did, figuratively. But the essence is one! Just many want it to be so. This enhances their self-esteem, prudence and virtue. This is the same situation as with the "Hontian gold" with the Strugatsky in the Inhabited Island.
            1. +1
              18 August 2017 14: 26
              Hello dear Vyacheslav! Although I read this series of articles, I don’t comment, because a year and a half ago, when there were 2 of your articles on the print topic, I wrote that as about old newspapers, it’s just some kind of stupor. Moreover, although I am reading 2 books by Medinsky about PR, this topic is somehow difficult. What's the matter? Maybe it's because of the time difference? And, unfortunately, I'm not alone in this. At work ---- different ages and there is something to think about in this regard.
              Well, with the troll, everything is clear ---- betrayal !!!!!! And what it is: paid, or free, or for a jar of jam and a basket of cookies ....... These are details. Maybe, on the contrary, he gives a bribe to the State Department with his letters? Or maybe because of a personal hostility to VO or to which individual rank in Va he jumps out of his pants. ?? After all, this article ----- is not the only one where he tries to turn his attention to his beloved. Spends someone else's time and distracts from the article and informative comments. So ask, in accordance with personal understanding, this, I think, is normal!
              1. 0
                18 August 2017 19: 12
                I understand you, but there is no need to replicate the thesis about money, that’s what I’m talking about. Not proven!
                1. +1
                  19 August 2017 05: 11
                  Yes, interestingly, many write about the State Department, not the first time, but a claim to me alone! Makes me think!
                  And the funny thing is that precisely after the assumptions about the State Department --- the troll merged somewhere! And then, after all, he didn’t climb into his pocket for a word. I wrote unsubstantiated garbage and you, Vyacheslav, were not concerned about this!
        2. +2
          18 August 2017 17: 27
          Quote: avva2012
          there are "Russians" and "Soviet"

          neither Ulyanov and Bronstein, nor Ilyin and Bulgakov doubted that the “Soviet” and “Russian” were two DIFFERENT subjects. Or do you think that the “Soviet” was definitely Russian IV Dzhugashvili? !!!
          1. +2
            18 August 2017 18: 26
            This is an agitation in which, with appropriate goals, it is proposed in the census to write in the column nationality: "Soviet". What he said, fascist-Ilyin, I am not interested. Bulgakov, for me, is not a serious writer. The only decent work is "Morphine", written according to his own feelings. Narkolyga. Trotsky, whom you and people like you stubbornly call a “girl” surname, as if that he is a Jew changing at least something, what is his connection with Lenin? As you know, there was Trotskyism and Leninism. You, at least, understand the basic concepts.
            1. +2
              18 August 2017 18: 54
              Quote: avva2012
              Bulgakov, for me, is not a serious writer.

              Bulgakov S.N. is a philosopher. Your business is whether he was a serious writer or not. And what about Dzhugashvili, if he is "sovetsky" then, in your opinion, is he Russian too ?! In the Soviet Union, a new historical community has emerged - the Soviet people, which is a union of all working people of the USSR, characterized by social, ideological and political unity.Soviet Union. Political and economic reference book. M., Politizdat, 1978.
              1. +2
                18 August 2017 19: 54
                It is not possible to know everything, especially in such a specific area. You know what Bulgakov you mean. I do not deny "historical community, the Soviet people." I do not see what the opposition of the "Soviet people" is with the Russian, Tatar or Even people. Are you a nationalist? I congratulate you. It is a wonderful activity to consider your own people as the best. As an example, the Russian Empire. The Germans in power, the Jews in finance, the industrialists: the French, the British, the Germans, and a bit of the Old Believers. And the people, the God-bearer, for the most part, had only Pima for the whole family and walked out of the hut in turn to the wind. The great Russian people, for the most part, were elementary illiterate. But, God-bearer. And the Russian on 1 / 128, the anointed of God, after a hodinka, went to the French embassy to celebrate. And when he pressed a little, he surrendered the throne, his responsibility to the Russian people, "how to surrender the squadron." And not Russian comrade Stalin was committed to working until 3 at night and when the German stood at 30 km. from Moscow, he remained with the people, though not God-bearing, but Soviet. And then he raised a toast to the Russian people, although the community remained. Do not remember the reason for the toast?
                1. +1
                  20 August 2017 20: 14
                  Quote: avva2012
                  And then he raised a toast to the Russian people .... Do not remember the reason for the toast?
                  Let me remind you ... "I want to say a few words about the Tajiks. Tajiks are a special people. These are not Uzbeks, not Kazakhs, not Kyrgyz, they are Tajiks, the most ancient people of Central Asia. Tajik means a bearer of the crown, as the Iranians called them, and Tajiks justified this name.
                  Of all the non-Russian Muslim peoples on the territory of the USSR, the Tajiks are the only non-Turkic, the Iranian people. Tajiks are a people whose intelligentsia spawned the great poet Firdousi, and it is not for nothing that they, the Tajiks, lead from him their cultural traditions. You must have felt during the decade that they, the Tajiks, have a thinner artistic sense, their ancient culture and special artistic taste are manifested in music, in song, and in dance.
                  Sometimes we have Russian comrades all mixed up: a Tajik with an Uzbek, an Uzbek with a Turkmen, an Armenian with a Georgian. This, of course, is wrong. Tajiks are a special people, with an ancient great culture, and in our Soviet conditions they have a great future. And the whole Soviet Union should help them in this. I would like their art to be surrounded by universal attention.
                  I am raising a toast for Tajik art and the Tajik people to flourish, for us Muscovites to be always ready to help them with everything we need
                  "-I.V.Dzhugashvili, reception in the Kremlin of the participants of the decade of Tajik art on April 22, 1941
                  1. +1
                    20 August 2017 21: 51
                    Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                    I.V.Dzhugashvili, reception in the Kremlin of the participants of the decade of Tajik art on April 22, 1941

                    So what, a very good toast, I.V. Stalin respected all nations. But when he offered a toast to the Russian people, he put his services to the country above all.
                    1. +1
                      20 August 2017 23: 18
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      he put his merits before the country above all.

                      You do not seem to be aware of what you are reading:so that we Muscovites are always ready to help them with everything that is necessary "
                      1. +1
                        21 August 2017 01: 10
                        Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                        You don’t seem to be aware of what you are reading: for us Muscovites to be always ready to help them with everything that is necessary. "

                        Well? We helped everyone, all people are brothers ...
                  2. +2
                    22 August 2017 03: 14
                    ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH: I.V.Dzhugashvili, reception in the Kremlin for participants in the decade of Tajik art on April 22 1941

                    No, not this one. I had no doubt that do not remember the Victory, but it is not yours.
                    8 May 1945 in the Berlin suburb of Karlshorst, an act was signed on the unconditional surrender of Germany. 9 May Supreme Commander I.V. Stalin made a historic appeal to the Soviet people about the end of the war. A few days later he ordered the General Staff to begin preparations for the parade of winners on Red Square with the participation of representatives of all fronts and all military branches. He also expressed the desire to celebrate the victory according to Russian custom with a feast, having arranged a gala dinner in the Kremlin in honor of the commanders of the troops of the fronts and other military men.
                    This reception was held in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace on May 24, exactly one month before the famous victory parade. The choice of venue for the celebration was not accidental. This grandiose room of the Grand Kremlin Palace, built in 1945-1838, was considered in imperial Russia the main ceremonial room of the Moscow Kremlin. The White St. George Hall is one of the order rooms, which embodies the idea of ​​the memory of generations of people who unselfishly served Russia and gave their lives in battles for it. In this hall, which received its name in honor of the Order of St. George, placed marble boards with the names of 1849 regiments and the names of St. George cavaliers.

                    Stalin's toast to the Russian people sounded the last, final.
                    Speech by I.V. Stalin at a reception in the Kremlin in honor of the commanders of the Red Army, 24 May 1945
                    “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast.
                    I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian people (Stormy prolonged applause, cries of "Hurray").
                    I drink, above all, for the health of the Russian people because it is the most prominent nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.
                    I am making a toast to the health of the Russian people because he deserved general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
                    I make a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, strong character and patience.
                    Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in the 1941-1942 years, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. Other people could tell the Government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. But the Russian people did not go for it, for they believed in the correctness of the policies of their Government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured a historic victory over the enemy of mankind - over fascism.
                    Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust!
                    For the health of the Russian people! (Stormy, prolonged applause). ”
                    Stalin I. On the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet Union. M., 1947.
            2. +2
              18 August 2017 21: 18
              And I like Notes of the Young Doctor. As a child, I found that pre-revolutionary hospital, the corresponding equipment, the relationship between staff and patients, which is no longer there, the smell of carbolic acid. When I read Bulgakov, I remembered the childhood impressions of that hospital, now there is no trace of it. And medicine is again not in the district center, it fell a victim of reform.
              1. +2
                19 August 2017 04: 37
                And again, medicine is not in the district center,

                No.
                But instead, there are such as ALEXEI VLADIMIROVICH (such a modesty with a capital letter), reading Ilyin and the philosopher in a cassock, Bulgakov (one author left a very "fresh" thought: "philosophy in Russia at the beginning of the century was formed in the struggle against Bolshevik ideology and because the palm of this championship undoubtedly belongs to its most worthy representatives "), but they don’t understand that it was the Soviet government that made medicine so accessible that these lovers of philosophy with an anti-Soviet soul had the opportunity to be born and live to the ability to leave comments here and not only here / infant mortality before the 1 year in the Republic of Ingushetia, as an example of an alternative /.
                1. +1
                  19 August 2017 19: 14
                  Already in ancient Rome, the public figure Cato Sr. lived and he said: “You can learn something in every book.” If Ilyin or Berdyaev emigrated does not mean that they don’t have good thoughts.
                  You have a sharp negative attitude towards Bulgakov the writer, and Stalin loved the play "Days of the Turbins" Do you recall the author of this play?
                  To be honest I don’t like Dog’s Heart (the film is better), “Master and Margarita” there are places worthy of attention
                  1. +1
                    20 August 2017 05: 57
                    You, apparently, didn’t read Ilyin at all, if you think that it’s only emigration. Bulgakov, yes, a matter of taste, I expressed only my opinion about him. The opinion of JV Stalin, this is his personal opinion and this does not mean automatically that it will coincide with mine.
          2. +3
            18 August 2017 21: 40
            Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            neither Ulyanov and Bronstein, nor Ilyin and Bulgakov doubted that the “Soviet” and “Russian” were two DIFFERENT subjects. Or do you think that the “Soviet” was definitely Russian IV Dzhugashvili? !!!


            Firstly, thanks for reprinting the flyer. Wonderful flyer!
            Secondly, if you rely on the definition given by you:
            “The Soviet people is a historical community, which is a union of all working people of the USSR (or of all peoples, because at that time everyone worked in the USSR), characterized by social and ideological and political unity. ” ,
            then, according to the theory of sets, the historical community (Soviet people), characterized by unity, can be considered as a set consisting of elements that are understood as all peoples living in the USSR (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Jews, Georgians and over 100 nationalities).
            Therefore, it is legitimate to say that Russians, Ukrainians and others are Soviet people, the term “Soviet” means the name uniting them. Those who did not consider themselves as such were on the other side of the front. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with this leaflet.
            To say the opposite, that a Soviet person is necessarily Russian, is inappropriate. But on the other hand, there will be no big mistake, if we consider the Georgian I.V. Stalin's Russian, do you consider Nikolai the Second Russian? Moreover, Stalin is much more Russian than Nikolai II, Krasnov, Vlasov, Khrushchev, Solzhenitsyn, Gorbachev, Yakovlev and others like them, because he did much more for the Russian people than all these entities combined.
            Thirdly, master, finally, the modern spelling of the Russian language and write correctly - SOVIET (formed from the word SOVIET), otherwise it’s just not convenient for you, foreigners also read to us, and they might think that the descendants of the Russian aristocracy remained illiterate, they simply don’t understand your "refined" sarcasm.
            1. +1
              19 August 2017 19: 20
              Green, you liked the leaflet, but you know that the Communist Party and the Russian Communist Party are two warring organizations: what kind of muck they did not pour on each other
              1. +1
                19 August 2017 19: 27
                Quote: Monarchist
                Do you know that the Communist Party and the Russian Communist Party are two warring organizations: what kind of nastiness did they pour on each other

                There is nothing surprising in this, the Communist Party is a bourgeois parliamentary party of the Social Democratic Party, it works to strengthen capitalism in Russia, its electorate is pensioners and small entrepreneurs. The RKRP, in spite of some inconsistency, nevertheless reflects the interests of the workers.
            2. +1
              20 August 2017 21: 23
              Quote: Alexander Green
              To say the opposite, that a Soviet person is necessarily Russian, is inappropriate. But on the other hand, there will be no big mistake, if we consider the Georgian I.V. Stalin's Russian

              Your logic is very strange: "... twice two is four. But ... there will not be a big mistake if you count twice two it is five ..". So, you still claim that the Soviets are not necessarily Russian, but also Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Jews, Georgians and more than 100 nationalities. Developing your thought, it can be argued that the Russians may well be non-Soviet, like the same Ilyin and Bulgakov. Thus, we conclude that sovetskost has a very weak relation to ethnicity: you can be sovetsk of Russian origin, you can be Georgian, but you can only be Russian.Sovetsky is not identical to Russian. Nicholas II was of the same nationality that William II of Hohenzollern and Georg Saxe-Coburg European aristocratThis is a caste of hereditary top managers who controlled most of our planet. And the fact that Holstein-Gottorp called themselves the Russian Romanovs is a great honor. It is much better when your country is ruled by a hereditary aristocrat with a genealogy of five hundred years than a Georgian bandit or an illiterate crest .
              1. +1
                20 August 2017 22: 16
                Dear, read the text carefully. I have written “... a historical community (Soviet people), characterized by unity, can be considered as a set consisting of elements, which are understood as peoples living in the USSR»
                So, where do your white emigrants come from?

                And about the strangeness of my logic. You write: "Your logic is very strange:" ... twice two is four. But ... there will be no big mistake if you count twice two it is five .. "

                Logic can be formal, informal, probabilistic, temporary, utterances, dialectic, and somewhere else about two dozen varieties. One of them allows us to consider a Jew II. Levitan Russian artist, and Georgian I.V. Stalin's Russian leader. You call Russified tsars Russian tsars and consider them Russian.
                1. +1
                  20 August 2017 23: 21
                  There is no logic in your statements.The Romanovs are European aristocrats of the highest level (the first ten genera of the planet) who called themselves Russian.
                  1. +1
                    21 August 2017 01: 16
                    Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                    There is no logic in your statements.The Romanovs are European aristocrats of the highest level (the first ten genera of the planet) who called themselves Russian.

                    In yours too. I don’t see any connection between European aristocrats and Russians and I don’t see any honor for myself and my nationality, that some Holstein and Gottorps call themselves Russian.
                    1. +1
                      21 August 2017 01: 42
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      I do not see any connection between European aristocrats and Russians

                      And the connection is the most direct. The highest aristocracy of Europe calls itself the Russian Romanovs, i.e. raises the semi-Asian ethnic group to its level. Plebs have no honor. Honor is belonging to the upper class, which extends this concept to the rest of the nation. As a Russian nation by 1917 year did not work out.
                      1. +2
                        21 August 2017 12: 33
                        Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                        And the connection is the most direct. The highest aristocracy of Europe calls itself the Russian Romanovs, i.e. raises the semi-Asian ethnic group to its level. Plebs have no honor. Honor is belonging to the upper class, which extends this concept to the rest of the nation. As a Russian nation by 1917 year did not work out.

                        Dear, here I am reading your opuses and I have the impression that your aristocracy has everything that is useful in the earth, like potatoes.
                        Now about the honor. We understand it differently.
                        The honor for the aristocracy to exploit the people, to parasitize on it is not great. Such an honor is manifested only in swagger before the common people, which you scornfully call the plebs.
                        The Soviet government, for example, in the first time after the victory, released tsarist officers, generals and aristocrats under their honest word, not to speak out against the people, hoping for their honor. Did someone keep their word?
                        No, because the peak of the manifestation of their honor was to give a card debt, but, excuse me, criminals also consider this their honor.
                        therefore true honor is inherent only to the people, and it consists in honestly working for the good of the motherland.
  8. +5
    17 August 2017 19: 35
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Thank you for wasting your time, Alexander. Even at night. I have no doubt that this is beneficial for everyone ----- those who know a lot and those who can’t understand anything at all

    Thank you for your support, comrade, the main thing is that we are not alone. And I, simply, have no right to be aloof, otherwise it will be a betrayal of my grandfathers who made the revolution, and my parents, who in 1941-1945 defended our Soviet Motherland.
    1. +3
      18 August 2017 05: 53
      Alexander, of course, you need to clarify, but this can be done in conversation with people. A troll, he makes money, which means he must report to those who pay him. For empty comments without an answer from others, he will be paid a donut hole. Therefore, responding to such stuffing, you feed the troll. In my opinion, if you need to respond to one or another stuffing with explanations, it is better to do them in a conversation with another user. Personally, I am trying to do so, categorically not responding to attempts to draw myself into the "discussion". Of course, you decide, with respect. hi
      1. +2
        18 August 2017 06: 51
        A troll, to pass for the present, for Russian, or for Soviet, must necessarily use strong expressions, well, about child-bearing processes. And that is, there is some kind of flaw in it. There is no expression in him, some kind of boring and lethargic. It must be somehow more dynamic, pobbleshchy, in short !!!!!!!
      2. +2
        18 August 2017 13: 21
        Quote: avva2012
        A troll, he makes money, which means he must report to those who pay him. For empty comments without an answer from others, he will be paid a donut hole. Therefore, responding to such stuffing, you feed the troll.

        That's right, dear comrade, But let him get paid from the State Department, it’s fearless, he still works for us, because raises questions that many prefer not to raise, fearing to be considered an ignoramus.
        Let's take an example from history: the provocateur Malinovsky was a member of the State Duma of the Russian Empire from the RSDLP, he surrendered his wrestling comrades. This is bad, for that he was then shot. But still, he had to do a lot of such things to the benefit of the revolution, which, for example, others could not do, i.e. he worked for the revolution anyway. So the trolls, let them bark, they still help our cause.
        1. +2
          18 August 2017 13: 54
          Thanks for the answer, Alexander. I now fully understand your position and it is worthy of respect.
        2. 0
          19 August 2017 19: 24
          Alexander, you remembered Malinovsky, and for a very long time he was almost a favorite of Lenin, V. And he believed until the last
          1. +1
            19 August 2017 21: 22
            Quote: Monarchist
            Alexander, you remembered Malinovsky, and for a very long time he was almost a favorite of Lenin, V. And he believed until the last

            So what? Malinowski did not say on his forehead that he was a secret police agent. And Lenin’s tasks, so that he wouldn’t be exposed, he performed very well, in the State Duma he carried out the party’s policy
            1. +2
              20 August 2017 06: 06
              I noticed that many anti-Sovietists are ardent Stalinists, because they consider him to be almost a god. He could do everything in their opinion. Never made mistakes. Here, the same thing, but only to Lenin.
              Monarchist, are you a hidden Leninist?
  9. +3
    17 August 2017 19: 38
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Quote: Kotischa
    So, as for the majority of Russians, the Motherland is one for me:

    Soviet and Russian enemies. It's simple.

    Sorry, sir, but this is BSK.
    BSK stands for - bullshit.
  10. +1
    17 August 2017 19: 46
    Quote: Alexander Green
    the betrayal of my grandfathers, who made the revolution, and my parents, who in 1941-1945 defended our Soviet Motherland.

    So you betrayed them a long time ago in 1991 in real life, why now cry on the forum?
    1. Cat
      +6
      18 August 2017 05: 07
      Yeah, especially Dmitry and I are the most malicious, spiteful and ruthless traitors to the Soviet state! Maybe you tell us how we betrayed him - I was in sixth grade, and Dima, if I’m not mistaken at all, “betrayed” betrayed the USSR in the senior group of kindergarten!
      1. +1
        18 August 2017 08: 55
        Well, this is a completely different matter. Why then, to talk about the grandeur and beauty of the Soviet state, once they walked on foot under the table. There really were 19 million Communists and 45 Komsomol members. But then it turned out to be bullshit. Then there is nothing to talk about.
    2. +2
      18 August 2017 13: 03
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      So you betrayed them a long time ago in 1991 in real life, why now cry on the forum?

      No, I did not betray the anti-Soviet essence of Gorbachev and his team, I understood back in 1989, and began the fight against pseudo-democrats. But unfortunately, there were very few of those who understood at least something then. Very much people like you have made a fool of themselves.
      The USSR died in the information war. Enemy propaganda disoriented Soviet citizens. And in this war, the discredit of Stalin played an important role. Remember how, in the presidential election, television scum constantly frightened voters with the arrival of the Stalinist Gulag.
      Therefore, it is very important to expose all distortions of history.
      1. +1
        19 August 2017 08: 07
        That is, Soviet people ate sandwiches with caviar, traveled freely anywhere abroad, watched Sonya TVs and looked at them, and eating these sandwiches, began to believe that "there" is even better? But thousands of agitators and propagandists, lecturers of the RK and OK CPSU and the Komsomol, working day and night, could not convince them that there are "blacks hanged"? And our people answered them: we know everything there according to the coupons, there are lines for the car, there you have to stand in line for three days there, periodically there is no toothpaste, then brushes, or bedding. And still we will go there, because there is "freedom". And we went in the end. So was it your way? So do not talk about the information war — I was one of its fighters and I know very well how we fought for socialism. But when you have instead of "cartridges", only slogans ...
        1. +2
          19 August 2017 11: 36
          Quote: kalibr
          ... do not talk about the information war - I was one of its fighters and I know very well how we fought for socialism. But when you have instead of "cartridges", only slogans ..

          No need to tell what kind of fighter you were. We already know, useless, besides finished as a deserter and traitor.
          Just like you thought one thing, said another, did the third. In a word, they were two-faced.
          Because of my work, I often went abroad at that time, and we were taught to correctly understand what we saw. Basically, everything that was on the windows was shit wrapped in a beautiful wrapper. Ham, sausages melted in a frying pan, like plastic, apples were bitter from the inflated antiseptic, the milk did not want to sour, the fish did not even spoil in the heat of 40 degrees, because pumped up with formalin, drugs are expensive and inaccessible, foreign doctors constantly turned to our doctor for help.
          And people like you, having been abroad, said that the West is rotting, but it smells good, it was the philosophy of your circle. So the information war against the conscience of the people is a reality.
          1. +2
            19 August 2017 16: 28
            The problem is that he was not when you were abroad. Who would send the petty propagandist from the county town to? That hatred of envy of successful people, an attempt to get now what did not go then. Hence the war with the past, outwardly wrapped in anti-Sovietism.
            1. 0
              31 August 2017 12: 54
              You are right doctor! Someone was allowed, but some were not. And why is it possible for some, but not for others? Of course it's enviable. But now I'm going where I want and for as much as I can. I do not need characteristics from the Republic of the CPSU and from the place of work. And with the past, I have no war. I just make money on it. "In summer, ice is rare and I sell ice. In winter, flowers are rare ..."
  11. +4
    17 August 2017 20: 03
    How many feces pops up from the sewage during flood time
    1. 0
      17 August 2017 20: 30
      Sorry. Your city leadership should replace the sewer system.
      And most importantly do not drink this water feel
      1. +3
        17 August 2017 21: 05
        C'mon !, tell it to Poltavchenko. As for me, I can survive in any "flood".
        1. 0
          17 August 2017 21: 36
          Where can I see him, I live in the Kuban.
          1. +3
            17 August 2017 22: 04
            And come to old age, to Smolny, get hold of boiling water ...., "And what, my dear man, they are telling the truth, bytto Poltavchenko is lame, but oblique?" Frankly, we also did not see him, maybe you are more lucky.
  12. 0
    17 August 2017 20: 32
    Quote: Kotischa
    Sergey, whom do you think are weak?

    People professing leftist views.
    I didn’t see them in real business, I sincerely believed that these were elderly people, quietly dying away, and when you come to the forum, ba, frolic!
    Enemies must be killed, not unhappy little people who themselves betrayed their state and quietly hid themselves under the shkonarik and from there muttered something.
    1. +2
      17 August 2017 21: 09
      Interestingly, do you consider architect Victor Kaloev to be elderly or what?
      1. +1
        17 August 2017 21: 35
        Kaloev Ossetians. He cannot love Blanca and Dzhugashvili, who divided his people. He was in Tskhinval during the war of three eights.
        Then the Ossetians carried out a very successful de-Stalinization of the territory. Like the Abkhazians smile
        Kaloev nationalist, avenged with a knife for his family, the people of Stalin for his people.
        1. +2
          17 August 2017 22: 08
          Oh how! And it seemed to me that he slammed the goat guilty of the death of his child ....
          1. 0
            18 August 2017 09: 16
            And not only, he cleaned the Georgian too.
        2. 0
          19 August 2017 19: 31
          Kaloev is a crazy man who is crazy and he didn’t care about all politicians
  13. +1
    17 August 2017 23: 03
    Great article loop. The only question for the author, but what prevented many readers from explaining the basics of political economy earlier?
    1. +2
      18 August 2017 06: 16
      Good question. The answer will be this: when you start to be published in a publication or on a website, you try to give something more interesting, to interest the reader. After some time, you begin to give thematic collections. Again - this is interesting to the reader and useful to the author. Then they go chapters into books. And only then you see that many do not know the basics. The question arises, but how to fix it. So new cycles appear. But ... writing them is hard. For example, this cycle. It merged 2 dissertations - candidate and doctoral (imagine the amount of work?), On the basis of which a monograph was written on a grant from the Russian State Humanitarian Foundation, because publishing such books is otherwise very difficult. She did not receive a grant, although all the reviews were in favor. Only after that (!) They decided to give it in separate chapters here. But this also requires work - to remove unnecessary scientificness, the mass of footnotes. That is, it is hard and uninteresting work. It’s much more interesting to write about knights and codes of Indians. But your idea is interesting. We must try to give a kind of educational program in the same cultural studies, which we generally few know. Previously, it was not, and many studied for a long time. So thanks for the tip.
      1. +1
        18 August 2017 08: 57
        Thanks for the separate article series, it’s especially interesting on the example of Penza.
      2. 0
        18 August 2017 15: 18
        Maybe I'm wrong. But in my opinion, religion and culture are somewhat secondary to production. It is very difficult to maintain a reasonable balance between all this in a short article, but when it succeeds, the number of "crazy" comments drops sharply. Again, my personal opinion is that if articles on medieval weapons mentioned metal processing methods, they would only have won.
        1. 0
          18 August 2017 19: 02
          There will be a squirrel for you, there will be a whistle. Not all at once!
          1. +1
            18 August 2017 20: 33
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, if, you mean this animal Then God save us from the new Benjamin.
            1. 0
              19 August 2017 08: 01
              This is in the sense that I will write about what interests you, but you have to wait. This is from some Russian classics.
    2. +1
      18 August 2017 13: 31
      Quote: mar4047083
      explain to many readers the basics of political economy earlier

      Dear, if you want to master the real political economy, then go to the site
      http://anticomprador.ru/publ/.
      A Stalinist textbook was published there; all subsequent textbooks distort the political economy of socialism.

      Link: http://anticomprador.ru/publ/uchebnik_politehkono
      mii_1954 / politicheskaja_ehkonomija_uchebnik_1954 /
      54-1-0-975
      1. +1
        18 August 2017 14: 55
        Thanks for the link . But this textbook, despite some sound thoughts, I consider it somewhat biased. Strongly scolding the authors for this is not necessary, there was such a time. Something like that, just one person sent me. Do not believe the link to a historical study of the 50s, about the class struggle of the Mesoamerican Indians with the Spanish interventionists. And the basics of political economy were given to me at the institute.
        1. +2
          18 August 2017 17: 39
          Quote: mar4047083
          ... But this textbook, despite some sound thoughts, I consider it somewhat tendentious ... And the basics of political economy were given to me at the institute.

          You are wrong here. The textbook has no bias; it reflects the economic system of real socialism that had developed in the USSR by the beginning of the 50s. but the textbook on which you taught political economy is already a perverted textbook.

          Unfortunately, I also taught political economy from a perverted textbook, but when perestroika began and everyone began to teach us how to live, I decided to figure it out myself. And to my good fortune, I got a textbook on political economics in 1954, when one of my friends, a teacher of political economics, saw this, she laughed at me that all this was already outdated, which meant that it was wrong.

          But when I read the Stalinist textbook of political economy and compared it with the subsequent ones, I saw how our pseudo-scientists perverted political economy. I show with a simple example.

          In the Stalinist textbook of political economy, the basic law of socialism is given in the following wording:

          "Ensuring maximum satisfaction of ever-growing
          material and cultural needs of the whole society through continuous
          growth and improvement of a socialist society on the basis of higher
          technicians. "


          Then the whole army of "economists" took up its gradual substitution.

          Here is how it was formulated in 1966 by Doctor of Economics, Professor S.S. Dzarasov:

          "The basic economic law of socialism can be formulated as follows:
          ensuring the full well-being and free comprehensive development of all
          members of society through the continuous growth of improving public
          production. "


          In 1978, he was chartered by Doctor of Economics V.V. Radaev:

          "Ensuring complete prosperity and free comprehensive development!
          all members of society through their joint work using
          social means of production - this is the content of the basic
          economic law of socialism. "


          And in 1988, academicians L. Abalkn, S. Shataln, V. Medvedev and others simply finished him off:

          "Welfare and free production
          the development of the workers' association and each of its members - this is the content
          the basic economic law of socialism. "


          After that, these mutants rejected socialist terminology and led our country into slavery, into wild capitalism, realizing the CIA’s ideas.
          1. +1
            18 August 2017 20: 53
            That's right, you say [quote] The textbook has no tendentiousness, it reflects the economic system of real socialism that had developed in the USSR by the beginning of the 50s] [/ quote]. One small addition is 2017. And pay attention, if the system allows the "mutants" or "traitors" to come to power, it means that something is wrong with this system. A healthy body itself is able to cope with viruses.
            1. +1
              19 August 2017 06: 52
              There was a substitution of concepts and finally lost the meaning! Therefore, after the amendments of 1988, what happened happened! And just a few years later! So that the body could not defeat viruses ---- it systematically poisons, poisons. And where would I find these sources from a dozen years ago, what would I learn?
              But things are worse now. BECAUSE it was said that it is necessary to educate a qualified consumer ... That’s what he said on TV. , that he doesn’t care who is in power, if only he (everything) has everything and that he has rights. But who will give the dropout all this? So it's not the only one.
              And if then the body could not cope with the viruses, then now, even more so, the body cannot cope on its own.
              1. 0
                19 August 2017 07: 55
                Dmitry, my textbook “Internet journalism and online advertising” will be published in very good circulation soon and it will detail how to hang noodles on the ears of 80% of the population. And students will learn from it. Countrywide. And someone will continue to tryndet on VO - "Traitors, Russia is dead!" And someone will become richer and just chuckle while reading this textbook and these statements!
                1. +2
                  19 August 2017 12: 10
                  Quote: kalibr
                  ... soon, my textbook “Internet Journalism and Internet Advertising” will be published in very decent circulation and it will describe in detail how to hang noodles on the ears of 80% of the population. And students will learn from it. Countrywide. And someone will continue to tryndet on VO - "Traitors, Russia is dead!" And someone will become richer and just chuckle while reading this textbook and these statements!

                  You are not a discoverer here. At the end of the 80s Carnegie’s books on manipulating people were thrown into our country. It was also part of ideological sabotage. Instead of an honest contract between partners, a desire began to circumvent, deceive a partner, and throw him. Manipulations of consciousness began even at the household level. It was funny to watch you flatter, how to praise, just to get from you what they need ...
                  But be careful with this, this is a dirty business, from which it will then be difficult to wash.
                2. +2
                  19 August 2017 15: 04
                  And I chuckle now, having read the contents of those adventures that you wrote and sell, probably to your students.
                3. 0
                  21 August 2017 23: 49
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Dmitry, my textbook “Internet journalism and online advertising” will be published in very good circulation soon and it will detail how to hang noodles on the ears of 80% of the population. And students will learn from it. Countrywide. And someone will continue to tryndet on VO - "Traitors, Russia is dead!" And someone will become richer and just chuckle while reading this textbook and these statements!
                  If you familiarize yourself with the subject matter of books now being published, then many of them advise how quickly it is easy to get rich, but those people who have become rich in our country have become rich even before these textbooks, and now the number of poor people has increased compared to socialism. But I'm interested in something else, for some reason, in one of your previous comments, you, Vyacheslav, advised our esteemed Doctor to read about the Pareto law, despite the high cost ...... somehow. And recently, I thought, why ----- To the Doctor? Why to him, and not to all of us, why not to me? As if, besides Alexander, no offense would he be told, none of us can spend money on a good book? ?? Well, let's say these volumes are ~~~~ 35000 rubles. This, of course, is a lot, but feasible. But a lot would become clear and understandable. Something very recognizable is seen in the third book, as if I had met a friend ... I am very vulnerable, why only Alexander can find out about everything ? But I don’t know if he studied it. I approached this topic from a completely different perspective ----- by studying information about the YAM agency
                  1. 0
                    2 September 2017 20: 52
                    You correctly noticed this, Dmitry! I agree completely. They are all 3 books, 6 volumes are on YAM, and ordering can be very easy ... for rubles.
            2. +2
              19 August 2017 11: 44
              Quote: mar4047083
              A healthy body itself is able to cope with viruses.

              Firstly, can the capitalist system be considered a healthy organism? She is rotten through and through!
              Secondly, the new always makes its way very hard. Remember the story: the transition from one formation to another has always been long and difficult, with rollbacks, a classic example - the Great French Revolution. So it is with socialism. As the song says: "The first wave is not a wave yet. The storm is coming, Wait a minute!".
              1. +1
                19 August 2017 14: 05
                In the same words we mean different things. For example, words about a healthy body for me meant words about the USSR, which defeated fascism and then created a bloc of socialist countries. Well, and poisons ----- these are just the innovations of corn, debunking and further until the last days of the USSR. However, the keyword in my previous comment is ----- INDEPENDENT.
              2. +1
                19 August 2017 14: 25
                What exists in developed countries can be called classical capitalism with a big stretch. The poorly modern Western system is still coping with the challenges of the times. The USSR could not cope with the systemic crisis. This is the answer who is healthier. There is nothing wrong with the ideas of socialism, the problem is that so far no one has been able to fully realize them. As Chernomyrdin said: "They wanted the best, but it turned out as always." Alas, we don’t know which way humanity will go further. There may be ways to implement communist ideas, or maybe they will kill each other. And looking for enemies and traitors is a futile business, it is more a consequence than a cause. There would be no Gorbachev, there would be another. And if you send at least a dozen Gorbachevs or Yeltsins to Europe, the system itself will quickly neutralize them.
                1. +2
                  19 August 2017 14: 56
                  Marat, the capitalist system survived at the expense of those who are weaker. The last is Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ...... They were very lucky with the CMEA countries, the USSR. During the existence of the Western elite, they learned how to implement long-term programs. here is our Motherland, unfortunately not. You write that the Western system would grind the hunchback. But RI did not grind its traitors. Although how many years the Romanovs were.
                  1. +1
                    19 August 2017 16: 42
                    Once again I try to get my point across. It is not a matter of traitors, liquid massons, cosmopolitans, commissars, etc. The problem is in a built system. RI by the beginning of the 20th century, in principle, could not defeat anyone, not grind. Autocracy has become obsolete by the end of the 19th century. This was a logical result, not only for Russia. Of the six major European states, four are classical monarchies, and they all ended sadly. You constantly read VO. Didn’t you notice the wretchedness of the economy of the Republic of Ingushetia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire against the rest by the end of the 19th century. About Turkey in general, a separate topic in the Middle Ages, the guys lived. Photos of how the land in RI processed saw? Literacy percentage discussed? And notice literacy is just the ability to read and count (something that is taught in first grade, one year). What enemies does such a state need? There are no miracles in the world, so the tsar was asked to leave the tsar. True, some people are trying to prove that we now need the monarch, but do not want to clarify why. Perhaps the problem of the USSR is that it also became a kind of monarchy, only the monarch was chosen by close boyars. And here the matter of chance will be lucky; an adequate one will be elected; no luck will be, as you say a traitor. As an example, your opinion, how many decrees directed against the economy of your country can the US president sign if he proves inadequate? And what time will be in power, say the German Chancellor, if he suffers from chronic alcoholism?
                    1. 0
                      2 September 2017 20: 54
                      Well, why are few like you here? I'm not for the same opinion, but still ... I would like less stupid ones.
                2. +1
                  19 August 2017 16: 27
                  Quote: mar4047083
                  The USSR could not cope with the systemic crisis. This is the answer who is healthier.

                  There was no systemic crisis in the USSR. In the USSR there was a class struggle between the old (bourgeois ideology) and the new (socialist ideology), in which the bourgeoisie won a temporary victory. There are objective and subjective reasons for this.
                  1. +2
                    19 August 2017 16: 57
                    If there were no systemic crisis in the USSR, then the elderly senility would not have been in power. When an elderly “zombie” tries to steer a country, and the majority is satisfied with it, then this is one of the manifestations of a system crisis.
                    1. +1
                      19 August 2017 19: 29
                      Quote: mar4047083
                      If there were no systemic crisis in the USSR, then the elderly senility would not have been in power. When an elderly “zombie” tries to steer a country, and the majority is satisfied with it, then this is one of the manifestations of a system crisis.

                      There was no systemic crisis either in politics or in the economy of the USSR, even under senile old people.
                      First, the economy and the national economy developed dynamically and met the interests and aspirations of the Soviet people. despite all the deformations in the post-Stalin period.
                      Secondly, the potential of socialism, laid down by Lenin and developed by Stalin, has not outlived to this day, the remnants of Soviet power can still be found in any area of ​​public life.
                      Thirdly, the referendum of March 17, 1991 speaks for itself. Almost 80% of the population of the USSR favored its preservation.
                      Fourth, the Ogarevsky process, which Gorbachev started, was a direct betrayal of the ideas of the Soviet Union. But, unfortunately, few people understood this in the USSR at that time. This was already the deed of the hands of the young restorers of capitalism.
                      1. +2
                        19 August 2017 21: 30
                        It seems to me that this is not a completely normal situation when state decisions are made by not quite capable people. Toward the end of the life of the USSR, there were probably two Soviet people living in parallel realities. The dynamic economy was responding to the interests and aspirations of one people, but the second part was eating up what was left after the first. Without denying all the good that was (and there was actually a lot of good), let's not idealize life in the USSR. U, you, it was about sausage, but many saw it only on holidays. The bulk of the population did not buy goods, but got it. 80% of the population may have been in favor of preserving the country, but this did not prevent them from subsequently gladly killing each other. Yes, the remnants of the USSR can be found everywhere, good inertia is gained. There was a big country, the whole world could be turned into dust, and even now we can use those remnants.
                  2. 0
                    2 September 2017 20: 56
                    There was no bourgeoisie, but ideology? Who was its carrier? A new historical community called the "Soviet people"?
  14. +2
    18 August 2017 10: 46
    Curious,
    You would, Viktor Nikolaevich, write books. So many myths would debunk. I'm serious. Yours faithfully, hi
    1. +4
      18 August 2017 11: 58
      So this is all already written in books. We have no shortage of writers. My readers and I are very strained. Look, today the "writer" wrote about the helicopter, the VO site, naturally, picked up how to get past such good things, because a sensation. And it went like something according to the Yenisei.
      Yes, and books, as well as writing them, it is also necessary to publish. And for this we need a stock of "despicable metal." In a word, I still relate to the endangered view of readers.
      1. +5
        18 August 2017 12: 45
        it remains to debunk myths in the comments .. request By the way, here are my thoughts - I sometimes read VO articles, suppose 11-12 years. And the comments of the people who have not visited the site for a long time. The level of discussion still increased! - my thoughts. Now people who know how to use literature and generally operate on information have begun to visit the site. Yes I will not name by name, but I like this level of discussion (the ratio "information-level of communication"). hi
  15. 0
    18 August 2017 19: 10
    Quote: Reptiloid
    2 Medinsky's books on PR --- this topic is somehow difficult.

    But Medinsky does not understand PR, that’s the thing. Therefore, it is written poorly and hard. Read my books later. How is it written? Easy and clear. This is all noted. And why? Because he wrote one who understands and understands how to file, so that it is not difficult. And this one ... "heard a ringing, does not know where he is." He himself simply does not know the definition of PR, which is already there ... But as a minister, he knows everything by definition. Hence such books.
    1. +2
      19 August 2017 10: 48
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Reptiloid
      2 Medinsky's books on PR --- this topic is somehow difficult.

      But Medinsky does not understand PR, that’s the thing. Therefore, it is written poorly and hard. Read my books later. How is it written? Easy and clear. This is all noted. And why? Because he wrote one who understands and understands how to file, so that it is not difficult. And this one ... "heard a ringing, does not know where he is." He himself simply does not know the definition of PR, which is already there ... But as a minister, he knows everything by definition. Hence such books.

      Medinsky's books were reprinted in large numbers and sold out quickly. I follow OZON ... I really like his big book about WWII. Very good edition. The fact that it’s hard for me about PR is my personal problem, but not of the authors in any way. I read 2 of your children's books. But they can not be judged on anything. You yourself wrote about the retelling or processing of other authors in this case.
      Interestingly you write how you get rich from literature. As if in childhood you knew a terrible need. Or, again, a traumatic event reminds of itself?
  16. +1
    18 August 2017 20: 03
    Quote: avva2012
    And then he raised a toast to the Russian people, although the community remained

    He overwhelmed the forests and fields with Russian bones, and freed the Georgians from taxes following the war.
  17. +1
    18 August 2017 20: 27
    Quote: HanTengri
    Yeah ... "A Cossack mishandled!" (c) Is not a quote about you?

    Consider what you want.
    It may not be mishandled, but as Professor Ochapovsky sent from above to treat eye diseases.
  18. +1
    18 August 2017 20: 43
    Quote: Reptiloid
    must necessarily use strong expressions, well, about child-bearing processes

    No need to swear. You’ll be cursing yourself more.
    1. 0
      19 August 2017 07: 58
      There is no! But in general the rule is this. People who consider themselves intelligent (people in the first generation!) Really do not like them when ... in a popular way. And if you smack “on points”, then it’s the end of everything. Sometimes, knowing who is in front of you, you need to use this!
  19. 0
    19 August 2017 08: 36
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Enemy propaganda disoriented Soviet citizens.

    What were they all ... next is a word with a negative meaning, which the VO computer automatically deletes. They did not make out where sour and where sweet. And they themselves were not allowed to figure it out. It was impossible to travel freely.
  20. +2
    19 August 2017 12: 40
    Quote: kalibr
    What they were all ... They did not make out where sour and where sweet. And they themselves were not allowed to figure it out. It was impossible to travel freely.

    Unfortunately, people like you, the people were discouraged from thinking and understanding. And to understand: sour lemon or sweet is not necessary to eat it yourself, you can see by the reaction of those who eat it, the physiognomy will not lie.
    Everyone knew that the economies of the capitalist countries were regularly shaken by crises, but those like you said that it’s good, it leads to the renewal of production. Everyone knew that unemployment was in the West, but people like you also convinced that it was good that instead of educating a worker in the brigade, it was necessary that the queue had a queue in its place.
    Everyone knew that in the West, medicine was paid, and ours was free, but again, people like you convinced us that “to be treated for nothing — for free” and explained to the people that we also needed to make medicine paid. And now what? No money - do not treat. If there is money, they will heal.
    Unfortunately, the illiterate masses learn from their own experience. But if there had not been such intensive ideological treatment conducted from all sides, including from above, the country would not have plunged into such a thing. Under Stalin, this was simply impossible, because they really fought against ideological sabotage, and people like you just imitated a struggle.
    1. Cat
      +2
      19 August 2017 22: 28
      The saddest thing in this story is that doctors receive a salary from our taxes.
      1. 0
        22 August 2017 00: 07
        Quote: Kotischa
        The saddest thing in this story is that doctors receive a salary from our taxes.

        The only sad thing is that doctors get too little.
  21. Cat
    +2
    19 August 2017 17: 38
    In principle, if we consider the abolition of private property - nationalization, that by 1927-29, private property was abolished and zayenina personal. Which, by the way, existed before the adoption of the new civil code and the constitution of the Russian Federation in 1993.
    In my hometown, therefore, nationalization was carried out painlessly. The trouble came in the 50s of the last century, when they began to optimize the living space of the city by cutting gardens in the alleys. Then there were small land plots of 6-7 hundred of the previous 15.
  22. +2
    19 August 2017 19: 47
    Quote: mar4047083
    If there were no systemic crisis in the USSR, then the elderly senility would not have been in power. When an elderly “zombie” tries to steer a country, and the majority is satisfied with it, then this is one of the manifestations of a system crisis.

    In my opinion, the whole point is that there are NO IDEAS. The present communists are only impostors. It seems that Sazhi Umalatova talked about this
    1. Cat
      +2
      19 August 2017 20: 28
      You're right!
      The idea of ​​"modern communists" is Chinese-style socialism!
      In comparison with "communism" somehow kutso.
      Perhaps I will repeat myself, but having 1000 years of history behind me, there is no point in pouring mud on any period or personnel! Do not twist it is our story, good or bad - our point! A.S. said not bad at the time. Pushkin, Britain’s attempts to intervene in the Polish question - "the Slavs themselves will understand without the British Queen!"
      1. +2
        19 August 2017 21: 27
        Quote: Kotischa
        The idea of ​​"modern communists" is Chinese-style socialism!
        In comparison with "communism" somehow kutso

        Where did you read such nonsense? Take a look at the link:
        http://bolshevick.org/programma-vkpb/,
        There is nothing like that there. Go to the forum, there you can see discussions of the program and even ask a question, which is not clear to you.
        1. Cat
          +2
          19 August 2017 22: 26
          Dear Alexander!
          I am responsible for my words, I propose to listen to the Communist leader Zyuganov. Every second example is taken from China, every third comparison with the achievements of the Middle Kingdom! In addition, this week he specifically listened to the speech of Parfyonov, a candidate for the post of governor of the Sverdlovsk region from the Communists. Again China and others like him!
          The program is a tribute to traditional slogans, aspirations and desires. Reading it is necessary to see the root, and in modern Russia, the Communist Party has real and not far-fetched traditions. The leftist forces are Europe and America, and the Communists are China.
          1. +1
            19 August 2017 22: 33
            Quote: Kotischa
            I am responsible for my words, I propose to listen to the Communist leader Zyuganov

            I have known for a long time who Zyuganov is, he is not a communist, his party only parasitizes on this sign. I offered you a link where you can read the program of the real Communists, and you are too lazy.
  23. +2
    19 August 2017 22: 15
    mar4047083,
    Quote: “... this is not a completely normal situation when state decisions are made by not quite capable people. ”

    Unfortunately, the situation is not quite normal, but behind all the decisions were special well-trained consultants.

    Quote: "Toward the end of the life of the USSR, there were probably two Soviet people living in parallel realities. The dynamic economy responded to the interests and aspirations of one people, but the second part was fed up, what was left after the first."

    Toward the end of the life of the USSR, many distortions of socialism have really accumulated, but if you have noticed, I am campaigning to return to the Stalinist model of socialism. Read about it at the links:

    http://pkbu.ucoz.ru/publ/6-1-0-85
    http://proletaire.ucoz.ru/publ/stalinskaja_model_
    socializma / 1-1-0-55
    http://proletaire.ucoz.ru/publ/o_gosudarstvennom_
    kapitalizme / 1-1-0-56

    Quote: “... we were talking about sausage, but many saw it only on holidays. The bulk of the population did not buy goods, but got it. ”

    This is again an exaggeration, already tired of answering such trifles, I only note that under the Stalinist economy in the 50s. there was no shortage.
    1. 0
      19 August 2017 23: 15
      Here, you, and called one of the causes of the crisis of the system. It turns out that decisions were made by specially trained consultants who were not known to anyone. That is, no one was responsible. That is why everyone was satisfied with the incapable leader. Why make any transformations and live so cool, we advise on various issues and don’t answer for anything. Regarding the sausage, I didn’t live in the days of Stalin, here I can only rely on published archival data. But I caught Leonid Ilyich. Perhaps you have not seen how people bought 20 kg of sausage, so that later on holidays they could get it out of the refrigerator. We need to ask kalibr what year bananas first saw in Penza? This is not an exaggeration.
      1. +3
        19 August 2017 23: 48
        Quote: mar4047083
        Perhaps you have not seen how people bought 20 kg of sausage, so that later on holidays they could get it out of the refrigerator. We need to ask kalibr what year bananas first saw in Penza? This is not an exaggeration.

        Almost according to Dostoevsky "about the tear of a child" ...
        Oh you! Did our homeland cost 20 kg of sausage, and it had to be destroyed so that your caliber saw bananas ?!
        Great achievements: I remember how Yeltsin in the 90s. on television exclaimed in a happy voice about his merits: "Now in our stores even kiwi is! ”, and at that time, millions of pensioners sat for a week on one cube of“ Ryaba ”and destroyed the country's industrial potential.
        1. 0
          20 August 2017 00: 04
          I carefully read your links. So there the situation looks a little different than what you tell here. We were very distracted from the topic of the article, and this can be perceived as disrespect for the author. If you want to add something, write in private messages. If you want to discuss publicly, I suggest waiting for the next portion of delirium from A.S. and there to continue the discussion.
      2. +4
        19 August 2017 23: 57
        Quote: mar4047083
        But I caught Leonid Ilyich. Perhaps you have not seen how people bought 20 kg of sausage

        I didn’t see anyone 20 kg. I bought sausages.
        Quote: mar4047083
        what year in Penza first saw bananas?

        I don’t know how in Penza, but bananas were often brought to us, in the Tula region. Cuban, sort of. Greens. Ripened on the windowsill, and not in the gas chamber.
        1. +2
          20 August 2017 00: 15
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I don’t know how in Penza, but bananas were often brought to us, in the Tula region. Cuban, sort of. Greens. Ripened on the windowsill, and not in the gas chamber.

          In the Black Sea Shipping Company in 1969-1970 six Italian-built refrigerated vessels (bananos) were received with a displacement of about 5600 tons each. They regularly brought bananas from Cuba and from Australia.
          In a buffet, 1 kg of bananas cost 2 rubles 20 kopecks.
          1. +3
            20 August 2017 00: 36
            Quote: Alexander Green
            In a buffet, 1 kg of bananas cost 2 rubles 20 kopecks.

            I don’t remember the cost, but now I’ve climbed on tyrnet, many write that “real, ripe, yellow bananas appeared in the 90s.” laughing The people, it seems, are not aware that they are ripening in gas chambers.
            1. Cat
              +3
              20 August 2017 05: 33
              Maleho envy Tula!
              I first saw and tried bananas in 1987, in third grade. What bananas, in order to buy two loaves of bread in one hand, it was necessary to defend the line. Yes Yes The line with a capital letter that started from the corner of the street and in miniature did not concede the line to the Lenin Mausoleum. They bought everything in huge quantities and by pull. Sugar, salt, stew and other preserves. By 1988, the whole city switched to subsistence farming. My parents kept in 1990: a cow, two bull-calves, 3 pigs, chickens, broilers, geese, turkeys and one sheep! A similar picture was in other houses of the district.
              before had residents of apartments in high-rise buildings. And then all the families were allotted 10 hectares of land for Christmas at the icy key, where everyone planted potatoes. This place is still called the "Field of Miracles." Subsistence farming is gone, it began to go only to 00 years, when people believed in the future. I think that happen, something like a shortage of products on subsistence farming will be able to go only a few families.
              1. +1
                20 August 2017 14: 36
                Quote: Kotischa
                in order to buy two rolls of bread in one hand, it was necessary to defend the line. Yes Yes The line with a capital letter that started from the corner of the street and in miniature did not concede the line to the Lenin Mausoleum. They bought everything in huge quantities and by pull. Sugar, salt, stew and other preserves. By 1988, the whole city switched to subsistence farming.

                You already say thank you to those whom you are currently serving, they then, under the leadership of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, began to disorganize the national economy of the USSR, artificially created a deficit, reached a real crime, I remember cases when meat, sausages were rotting in warehouses, and then dump dumped in the trash with bulldozers.
                1. Cat
                  +2
                  20 August 2017 21: 42
                  Alexander sadness is that until 1987 in my hometown there were no bananas either (not green and not yellow), and in a number of regions, in particular in the capital, it was a quite frequent and full-fledged guest of the counters. Of course, I can assume that someone ate all the bananas that came in the regional ROC, but .... it was possible to get it.
                  Regarding Yedtsin and Gorbachev. Two weeks prior to the coup, grandfather planned to renew the Orsk freezer by slaughtering one of the bulls. By the way, they wore interesting nicknames "Bear" "Borka". The lottery went to the altar, or rather, the bull Borka fell into the womb of the freezer, but, by coincidence, Mishka got out of the hole. Whose fate was decided under the butcher’s knife. When Gorbachev was removed, the grandfather said the key phrase "jumped." Closer to all these events was the butcher, who stabbed the bull, Bear. If I’m not mistaken in a drinking bout, he was guilty for weeks, though the grandfather was after the coup, he blurted out on the street so that Mishka was put on sausage, maybe now Raisa is under the knife? What he meant to Raisa the pig, he naturally kept silent.
                  Now in the service - I serve my native Fatherland!
                  1. 0
                    20 August 2017 22: 20
                    Quote: Kotischa
                    Now in the service - I serve my native Fatherland!

                    Only now the songs are sung by strangers, Goebbels, CIArushny, BBC.
                    1. Cat
                      +1
                      21 August 2017 02: 41
                      You are sick...........?
                      Homeland does not choose Alexander.
                      1. 0
                        21 August 2017 12: 38
                        Quote: Kotischa
                        Homeland does not choose Alexander.

                        What about the songs? You re-sing songs from Goebbels records.
  24. +1
    21 August 2017 13: 13
    Alexander Green,
    You spread less myths. ".. The noble crest Dybenko takes the word of honor from the hereditary nobleman Krasnov !!! ..."You yourself are not funny ?! The Russian aristocracy made of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Vladimir Russian empire- one of the leading powers in the world. Aristocracy of this level, say, was not in Rzeczpospolita which predetermined its demise.
    1. 0
      22 August 2017 00: 11
      Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
      Alexander Green,
      You spread less myths. ".. The noble crest Dybenko takes the word of honor from the hereditary nobleman Krasnov !!! ..."You yourself are not funny ?! The Russian aristocracy made of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Vladimir Russian empire- one of the leading powers in the world. Aristocracy of this level, say, was not in Rzeczpospolita which predetermined its demise.

      Firstly, I don’t see anything funny: General Krasnov gave a word of honor to the soldiers' committee and did not keep his word given to his own soldiers. This indicates his dishonor. Then your hereditary nobleman fought with his people during the Civil War and during World War II and ended his life with the shameful execution - the gallows.
      Secondly, the great Russian state was built not by the aristocracy, but by the working people. It was he who built, sowed, sculpted, defended ....
      Thirdly, the first wave of the boyar aristocracy (the descendants of the Rurikovich) did not even manage to control Russia, quarreled among themselves because of wealth and capital cities, divided Russia into estates and surrendered it for 300 years under the Tatar yoke and continued to betray. Well, at least Ivan the Terrible then chopped off their heads.
      Fourth, the second wave of the Russian aristocracy is noble, it is entirely the descendants of the courtyard servants, and the Tatar overseers with the Polish gentry, and their names are not Russian Baskakov, Yushkov, Yusupov, Arakcheev, Zagoskin, Vronsky, Sapegi ...
      And fifth, what do you boast of being an aristocracy? This is just a privileged layer of the ruling exploiting class. I already wrote that the current aristocracy has everything useful in the earth, like potatoes.
      1. 0
        22 August 2017 11: 52
        Quote: Alexander Green
        General Krasnov gave a word of honor to the soldiers' committee and his word given to his own soldiers

        What word of honor can be given to a gang of looters, deserters and traitors of the Fatherland ?! Krasnov was a Cossack general and replied to the Cossacks that they had elected him ataman of the VVD, and not sailor soldiers! Where is the "word of honor to the rebel gang" spelled out in the Charter of the Russian Imperial Army ?! Or do you regret that Krasnov was not beaten with bayonets as General Dukhonin, who did not give any word. But he fought for Russia until the last day ?!
        The people are an object of politics !!! “The freest Russian people” in the year and a half after the revolution plundered their country, so they themselves began to die of hunger, then the Communists put commissars everywhere behind the Chekists, recruited internationalist mercenaries and the people ran like a flock of sheep to build communism!
        You do not know at all that the aristocracy is a supranational concept! The nobility is formed from immigrants from the bottom. The grandfather of the hereditary nobleman V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin was a serf peasant Nikolai Ulyanin.
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          22 August 2017 17: 05
          For ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
          I quote AB: What word of honor can be given to a gang of looters, deserters and traitors of the Fatherland ?! ... you regret that Krasnov was not beaten with bayonets as General Dukhonin ...

          Real people of honor keep their word even to criminals. But Krasnov was arrested not by a gang of marauders, but by revolutionary soldiers and sailors, and it’s really a pity that he was released on parole, how much trouble he then did ...

          I quote AB: "The freest Russian people" in the year and a half after the revolution plundered their country, so they themselves began to die of hunger,

          And just your supporters plus the Entente, which your ancestors invited to help, succeeded in this, they exported the gold reserve of Russia, hijacked the military and civilian fleet, and much more.

          I quote AB: then the Communists put commissars everywhere behind the Chekists, recruited internationalist mercenaries and the people ran like a flock of sheep to build communism!

          Well, you must not respect your people like that. Is it really not clear that people will rise only when ideas take over the masses. No commissars and security officers will force anyone to build communism.

          I quote AB: You do not know at all that the aristocracy is a supranational concept! The nobility is formed from immigrants from the bottom. Grandfather of a hereditary nobleman V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin was a serf peasant Nikolai Ulyanin.

          In the course, but what's the difference how the aristocracy was formed? In feudal society, this is the titled top of the ruling feudal class, which was exploited by the common people. In bourgeois society, the aristocracy merged with the top of the bourgeoisie, and such a conglomerate became the most reactionary part of the exploiting classes.
          Only a few of them rose to the prejudices of their caste and began to serve the people. This is Lenin, Chicherin, Armand. The rest opposed the revolutionary people, unleashed a civil war against them, and organized an intervention.
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            22 August 2017 17: 56
            I guess where you got this nonsense from:
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              22 August 2017 20: 34
              Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
              I guess where you got this nonsense

              A good textbook, but I had it even better; Khrushchev had not yet had time to rewrite everything. But my main teachers were those who fought in the imperialist and civilian, who made the revolution. I learned a lot from them how they lived before and after the revolution. Unfortunately, they all died a long time ago, which is why so many paper scribblers rewrote our history. Would you and your dad try to tell them everything, I would look where you were.
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    21 August 2017 20: 53
    Alexander Green,
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    21 August 2017 21: 10
    Alexander Green,
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Quote: Kotischa
    Homeland does not choose Alexander.

    What about the songs? You re-sing songs from Goebbels records.

    Yeah, every second Tuesday of the month, I take out my harmonica and play the wafen-ss division’s anthem on it. wassat
    Dear Alexander, do not stick!
    The presence of high-profile slogans does not make the party legitimate, and man - man. Moreover, you turned to open insults. Believe it does not paint you.
    If there is a claim in PM!
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      22 August 2017 00: 10
      Quote: Kotischa
      If there is a claim in PM!

      The only claim is to stop lying and pouring dirt on our fathers and grandfathers who made the revolution.
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        22 August 2017 01: 43
        1. Where and when, I denigrated the fathers and grandfathers who made the revolution and even those who did not?
        2. I am a descendant of those and others in the literal and figurative sense, gendarmes and NKVDeshnikov, white and red, repressed and those who repressed, only with aristrocratic roots, I have a blind eye, and the rest is "in one bottle"! Therefore, I always say what is and what I consider necessary, without bending to authorities or small fry discharged from power, or rather not allowed to the feeding trough!
        3. What’s the slogan of your idol “10 Stalin’s blows” - who is he to hide behind the great Leader? In a word, a lot of blah blah and more. By the way, most rushing to the FS of Russia are like that. In connection with the foregoing, as I related to these parties to the litmorphs, as clowns, I will be related.
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          22 August 2017 13: 15
          Quote: Kotischa
          1. Where and when, I denigrated the fathers and grandfathers who made the revolution and even those who did not?

          I'm sorry. You fell under a hot hand, confused you with Kosnitsa.
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    31 August 2017 12: 56
    Quote: Alexander Green
    So the information war against the conscience of the people is a reality.

    Of course, who argues. But the sheep eventually got what they deserved!
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    2 September 2017 21: 01
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Everyone knew that the economies of the capitalist countries were regularly shaken by crises, but those like you said that it’s good, it leads to the renewal of production. Everyone knew that unemployment was in the West, but people like you also convinced that it was good that instead of educating a worker in the brigade, it was necessary that the queue had a queue in its place.
    Everyone knew that in the West, medicine was paid, and ours was free, but again, people like you convinced us that “to be treated for nothing — for free” and explained to the people that we also needed to make medicine paid. And now what? No money - do not treat. If there is money, they will heal.

    Are you sick on your head? If I told students this at lectures on the history of the CPSU, then ... already after the first such lecture I would not have worked at a university! And in lectures from the Republic of CPSU at the factory and even more so. There was always a party organizer and vigil!

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