2019 problem of the year

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This year the transit agreement between Russia and Ukraine ends, and Moscow plans to drastically reduce or even stop the transit of gas to Europe through Ukraine. For this year, it is planned to commission the Nord Stream - 2 to Europe, to Germany, which the Ukrainian transit, 50% of Russian gas supplies to Europe, should undertake. These plans today are questionable.





The US Congress, with its recent sanction law, struck the main blow on the Nord Stream - 2, its logic is obvious. It is assumed that if the joint venture 2 is blocked, Russia will be forced to continue the transit of gas to Europe through Ukraine. Then Kiev, and Washington, at the conclusion of a new transit agreement, can set conditions and twist the hands of both Russia and Europe.

If Russia, nevertheless, stops supplying gas via the Ukrainian route, its relations with Europe are torn, broken, both sides will suffer great losses, the European gas market will open to American shale gas: it will become uncontested, despite the fact that it’s doubled more expensive than the Russian pipe. As a result, the European, most German, industry will lose competitiveness due to high energy prices and the loss of the Russian market. America eliminates / absorbs its European, albeit akin, but competitor.

If Russia agrees to continue the Ukrainian transit after 2019, our western colleagues will be completely satisfied: their euro-associated vassal will continue to be financed by Russia, while it will remain on the transit hook from Washington, Brussels and Kiev. In order to replace Russian gas with liquefied gas from America, it is also necessary to prepare the infrastructure, that is, for a while Washington needs to preserve Ukrainian gas transit to Russia.

However, Russia has a trump card: the Power of Siberia gas pipeline to China, which should be commissioned also in 2019, it can compensate Russia for the lost revenues from the cessation of gas supplies to Europe.

Apparently, Russia, and Putin personally, stands on the fact that the extension of the transit agreement with Bandera Ukraine is unacceptable for Russia, so Germany was forced to agree to the construction of a joint venture - 2. In order not to lose 50% of Russian gas. And suddenly Washington threatens Europe and Berlin for this construction with sanctions! Thus, the fate of the joint venture-2 will be the moment of truth for relations between Europe and the United States and Russia.

After all, the gas transit of Russia to Europe is something more than transit: it connects the German industry with Russia, for which the Russian market is simply “fantastic”, by definition, German businessmen. To tear Europe away from Russia, the United States needs to block Russian gas transit, which the United States wants to do, replacing Russian shale gas with Russian gas as a result. In principle, the anti-Russian law of the Congress imposes sanctions even for servicing gas pipelines, that is, it can completely block Russian transit to Europe.

These economic perturbations can have major geopolitical consequences, which are now thought of in Berlin and Brussels. Completely go under America, they, perhaps, would have agreed, in a relative. But this is not at all easy to do in reality. American dissident economist Paul Craig Roberts, among other things, the father of Reaganomics, believes that stopping energy supplies from Russia will turn into “black swans” for Europe: leading to complete destabilization with the collapse of the European Union and NATO.

In other words, an attempt to tear Germany (Europe) away from Russia could lead Europe to the same thing, to which Ukraine’s attempt by the collective West to tear it away from Russia led. In Europe, the Wolfowitz Doctrine of 1992 of the year is probably remembered, which says: The European Union is a dangerous rival for the United States and must be destroyed not only politically but also economically. This can be done just when Europe’s economic ties with Russia are broken.

Therefore, despite the transatlantic partnership, Germany is thinking about Russian gas transit. Brigitte Tsipros, the German Ministry of Economics, spoke out sharply against the sanctions of the US Congress on SP-2. Angela Stent, a professor at Georgetown University (USA), spoke on this topic in a sensational article from the American side: Europe may reconsider its anti-Russian sanctions package, which “will be good for the Kremlin news».

There is one more thing that the German press discusses: does the notorious “Chancellor Act”, which is allegedly signed by every German chancellor on his first trip to Washington, exist, about the unconditional subordination of Germany to the United States?

So, in the 2019 year, Europe may lose 50% of Russian gas supplies if SP-2 is not built, and everything goes to ensure that its construction will be disrupted. Putin does not take back his words. And perhaps 100% of gas supply, if there will be some extraordinary events, for example, in Ukraine.

Europe and Germany supported the Bandera Nazi coup d'état (!) In Kiev, their repression against the Russian-speaking population, and we must answer for this: Russia will not continue with Eurocentric policies, that is, Ukrainian gas transit, as German Foreign Minister Zigmar Gabriel hopes, and will replace him The Power of Siberia "to China.

In general, the Russian economy began to grow under sanctions, that is, it was rebalanced and rebuilt from 2014 of the year, notes Julian Rimmer, an independent analyst from London, from us, the Minsk Agreement fulfilled its function.
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  1. +8
    9 August 2017 15: 31
    That's right. The Power of Siberia is built to replace gas sales in Europe, and at the same time gives China competitive advantages in the form of cheap energy and raw materials .. But Europe and especially Germany will have to tight .. The Zionist elite of the bourgeoisie did not forgive Hitler .. It’s scary to stand on the verge of destruction ..
    1. +2
      9 August 2017 18: 02
      Quote: max702
      All right Power of Siberia

      Not true, the Power of Siberia is being built to supply gas to the Asia-Pacific region! Nord Stream - 2 to Europe feel
    2. +4
      9 August 2017 19: 39
      Uv.avtor! The Power of Siberia is a trump card for China, and not for Russia, and, especially, not for Siberia. If gas supplies to Europe decrease sharply, then China will buy it from us for a penny at the level of profitability (which is 2,5 bucks per 1000 cubic meters). Well this is elementary, Watson! hi
      1. 0
        9 August 2017 22: 28
        Quote: siberalt
        Uv.avtor! The Power of Siberia is a trump card for China, and not for Russia, and, especially, not for Siberia. If gas supplies to Europe decrease sharply, then China will buy it from us for a penny at the level of profitability (which is 2,5 bucks per 1000 cubic meters). Well this is elementary, Watson!

        Well, it’s not exactly like that ...... India, Pakistan, Vietnam and Japan and South Korea are interested in extending the Power of Siberia. In this case, China can compensate for its gas acquisition costs by paying for its transit to these countries and at the same time increase its weight as a major regional energy player. Exchange for cents, with billions of buns for pumping through its territory, China clearly will not - at least in the short term. But when everyone sits tightly on this scheme, then he can pryachrisnichat - "give or not give, or even completely close the valve."
    3. +2
      9 August 2017 20: 35
      Nothing will be tight for them. There is gas both in the North Sea and in Africa and many more where. This is a matter of principle - will we continue to feed the Bandera regime or not.
      Quote: max702
      That's right. The Power of Siberia is built to replace gas sales in Europe, and at the same time gives China competitive advantages in the form of cheap energy and raw materials .. But Europe and especially Germany will have to tight .. The Zionist elite of the bourgeoisie did not forgive Hitler .. It’s scary to stand on the verge of destruction ..
      1. +1
        9 August 2017 21: 40
        Quote: 210ox
        Nothing will be tight for them. There is gas both in the North Sea and in Africa and many more where. This is a matter of principle - will we continue to feed the Bandera regime or not.
        Quote: max702
        That's right. The Power of Siberia is built to replace gas sales in Europe, and at the same time gives China competitive advantages in the form of cheap energy and raw materials .. But Europe and especially Germany will have to tight .. The Zionist elite of the bourgeoisie did not forgive Hitler .. It’s scary to stand on the verge of destruction ..

        Europe will not have enough gas from them. Look at the supply volumes by year - they are decreasing from year to year. And our volumes are increasing .. The deposits of Europe are already very impoverished even in Norway, not to mention the North Sea .. Why did they cling to the dog like a tick ... I mean the war in Syria. They wanted to carry out a pipeline controlled by them from Qatar. It did not work with Syria, they will not have enough of their resources - there are two ways. Either piped with Russia and at an affordable price, or amers liquefied at sky-high prices, but all of it alone will not be enough for them in the coming years 10. There is no infrastructure in the United States for such a large supply.
        So all one thing they agree with us. Therefore, they will press us so that transit through the country 4о4 does not stop. They need a lever of influence on Russia .. Well, we spit in their direction and say firmly - there will be the Nord Stream 2 on our terms or go katigoroshkoy.
        1. 0
          9 August 2017 21: 50
          Quote: seti
          Europe will not have enough gas from them. Look at the supply volumes by year - they are decreasing from year to year. And our volumes are increasing

          Can I have statistics?
          Quote: seti
          They wanted to carry out a pipeline controlled by them from Qatar.

          Fairy tales.
          Iran wanted to lay a gas pipeline to Europe
          Quote: seti
          Or with Russia a pipeline and at an affordable price, or amers liquefied at sky-high prices

          Sky-high prices for LNG from the USA are much cheaper than Europe paid for Russian gas 5 years ago.
          then for 1000 cube they paid Gazprom 386 bucks
          LNG sold at 250
          Quote: seti
          There is no infrastructure in the United States for such a large supply.

          Come on.
          In addition, someone forgot about the Qatar fleet?
          Quote: seti
          So all one thing they agree with us.

          Agree on both
          Quote: seti
          Therefore, they will press us so that transit through the 4-4 country does not stop.

          I do not think this is so critical, but the United States imposed sanctions against SP-2, Europe will support it.
          GTS of Ukraine will remain automatic
          Quote: seti
          there will be Nord Stream 2 on our terms or roll a katigoroshkoy.

          Suppose you roll, what will happen to the wells? They are from where to buy gas, but to whom to sell Russia?
          1. avt
            +4
            9 August 2017 22: 38
            Quote: tamnun
            Sky-high prices for LNG from the USA are much cheaper than Europe paid for Russian gas 5 years ago.
            then for 1000 cube they paid Gazprom 386 bucks
            LNG sold at 250

            Azochenway! Everything is gone, the plaster is removed! bully Liquefied ALWAYS more expensive in view of the costs of purely technological, and even shale even more so. That is why at least there is already
            Quote: tamnun
            In addition, someone forgot about the Qatar fleet?

            There is infrastructure for receiving from Europa, BUT they buy one and all and it was just necessary to strain sanctions, and the Germans.
            Quote: tamnun
            Suppose you roll, what will happen to the wells?

            Oh wow! Learn the materiel, jokes from the liberals for the fact that you can’t shut up when learning the subject really do not roll.
            Quote: tamnun
            Well, he is for Turkey

            bully Oh me these all-knowing jewish little boys bully Of the TWO threads the Turks have one, but the second is clean for southern Europe, let them be on the Turkish border, or pulled to Italy. And North 2, well, its thread, is almost half of the South, which Bulgaria abandoned with a hub in Hungary. Here are the hans and fuss, and the US will jam them. It’s just that the chances will then be really gas-banked and the fighters will be screwed to Europe. And this is a terrible dream of the arrogant Saxon, even if the appendix was planned in Britaia.
          2. +2
            10 August 2017 04: 25
            "The sky-high prices for LNG from the USA are much cheaper than Europe paid for Russian gas 5 years ago.
            then for 1000 cube they paid Gazprom 386 bucks
            LNG sold at 250 "

            But nothing that the price of gas is calculated from the cost of oil, and now the question is how much 5 years ago oil was worth .....
            And don’t need a pppppet about the price, the Gasprom is definitely not forming the price in the geyrope ....
          3. Ren
            +2
            10 August 2017 06: 04
            Quote: tamnun
            LNG sold at 250

            They sell, this is the cost in the USA, at the manufacturer’s terminal, excluding delivery and regasification on the delivery side.
            Bananas in banana republics under a palm tree are cheaper than the same banana anywhere in Scandinavia.
    4. 0
      10 August 2017 10: 31
      If China uses the Power of Siberia, sanctions will affect it, just like the European Union! And China may not go for it, it is easier for him to sacrifice Russia than to lose the American market !!!
      1. 0
        12 August 2017 17: 20
        The Americans can’t press heavily on China, because this will lead to a trade war, and the states are strongly tied to the Chinese market and manufacturer. Who else will deliver goods so cheap to them? They now can’t protect their producers, because buyers will raise buchu.
    5. +1
      10 August 2017 22: 07
      Quote: max702
      All right

      But I'm not sure ... Take at least this:
      This year, the transit agreement between Russia and Ukraine is ending, and Moscow plans to drastically reduce or even stop the transit of gas to Europe through Ukraine.
      The contract expires on December 31, 2018, that is, NOT AS NOT THIS YEAR. But even after its completion, Russia will have to agree with Ukraine on the transit of gas to those countries that cannot be reached through “SP” and Germany or “TP” and Turkey. Well, of course, provided that these countries are interested in this.
      Quote: max702
      The power of Siberia is being built to replace gas sales in Europe

      This pipeline stretches from the field, which is not yet involved in European supplies and is unlikely to be involved.
  2. +3
    9 August 2017 16: 01
    and the Turkish stream? Is he out of business at all?
    1. 0
      9 August 2017 19: 50
      Quote: Smog
      and the Turkish stream? Is he out of business at all?

      Well, he is for Turkey
      1. +3
        9 August 2017 19: 53
        Quote: tamnun
        Well, he is for Turkey

        I meant compensation for short deliveries in Western Europe. And then the author mentioned the Power of Siberia and the Turkish Stream forgot
        However, Russia has a trump card: the Power of Siberia gas pipeline to China, which should be commissioned also in 2019, it can compensate Russia for the lost revenues from the cessation of gas supplies to Europe.
        1. 0
          9 August 2017 20: 01
          Quote: Smog
          I meant compensation for short deliveries in Western Europe.

          Well, it’s a question of what year the contracts are.
          If further than 2018, then Europe in general has a SP-2 on the drum, or no. Gas required to supply.
          1. +1
            9 August 2017 22: 40
            In this case, no. When life and the economy depend on the event, it ceases to be “on the drum”. After all, the Israelis needed the full control of Lake Tiberias, right? And do not tell tales about the Druze, they live in many places.
        2. +1
          9 August 2017 20: 02
          Quote: Smog
          However, Russia has a trump card: the Power of Siberia gas pipeline to China, which should be commissioned also in 2019, it can compensate Russia for the lost revenues from the cessation of gas supplies to Europe.

          One more question, gas produced for Europe cannot be pumped into the Power of Siberia.
          What to do with these wells?
          1. +1
            9 August 2017 23: 25
            This is the second stage of the Power of Siberia (he is the former Altai and aka “Power of Siberia 2”). Earlier (in 2011), it was assumed that Altai would be the main gas pipeline to China, and the Power of Siberia would be an infrastructure project to unite the gas transmission system of Russia, but now the other way around. Both lines of the Siberian Force will just connect the European part of the GTS with the Far Eastern GTS "Sakhalin - Khabarovsk - Vladivostok". Here is a good picture (it is high resolution, 3mb):
    2. 0
      9 August 2017 19: 51
      Where is he this Turkish stream? Erdogan can turn on the return line at any time, and the most dangerous thing can happen then, when the gas is already flowing. Do we need to close the wells or burn the gas at the outlet, heating the atmosphere? belay
  3. +4
    9 August 2017 16: 11
    Since it is impossible to recapture the territory of the former Ukraine from the United States before 2020 (or, let's say, the probability of this is vanishingly small), transit through Ukraine must be stopped. Any pressure or even temporary financial problems do not matter.
    Otherwise, the problems (including the monetary component) will be permanent.
    1. +5
      9 August 2017 16: 56
      Nord Stream 2 will be completed regardless of any sanctions - because most of the money has already been invested in it, and the construction itself is in full swing.
      1. 0
        9 August 2017 19: 50
        Quote: Vadim237
        Nord Stream 2 will be completed regardless of any sanctions - because most of the money has already been invested in it, and the construction itself is in full swing.

        It can and will be completed, and if there is no contract for deliveries on it, then request
        1. 0
          9 August 2017 21: 31
          Quote: tamnun
          It can and will be completed, and if there is no contract for deliveries on it, then

          Quote: tamnun
          Well, it’s a question of what year the contracts are.
          If further than 2018, then Europe in general has a SP-2 on the drum, or no. Gas required to supply.

          Do not you find a contradiction here?
          Aw at the gallery, think about what the fuck you wrote.
          1. 0
            9 August 2017 21: 41
            Quote: Setrac
            Do not you find a contradiction here?

            And what are the contradictions?
            Build a SP-2, but if you do not conclude contracts for pumping it, then it will remain empty.
            Therefore, if the supply agreement is concluded for a period after 2018 (and in 2018 the contract for pumping through Ukraine ends), then
            follow the thought
            No contracts were signed for SP-2, contracts for delivery to Europe were concluded for a period after 2018 --- what does it mean?
            Only that it is necessary to use the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Excluding it, they automatically cut off supplies to Europe in violation of contracts.
            1. +1
              9 August 2017 21: 52
              Quote: tamnun
              Build a SP-2, but if you do not conclude contracts for pumping it, then it will remain empty.

              Quote: tamnun
              contracts for delivery to Europe are concluded for a period after 2018 --- what does it mean?

              It turns out (according to your words) the contracts are concluded, but there is nothing to download on SP2?
              And then what are the contracts?
              Maybe you do not understand Russian well?
              1. +7
                9 August 2017 21: 59
                Quote: Setrac
                It turns out (according to your words) the contracts are concluded, but there is nothing to download on SP2?
                And then what are the contracts?
                Maybe you do not understand Russian well?

                In vain you are talking about Russian ..... Offended, shut up .... I still read this nonsense - a wild cross between Max Fry and Venichka Erofeev ..... laughing good
              2. 0
                9 August 2017 22: 07
                Quote: Setrac
                It turns out (according to your words) the contracts are concluded, but there is nothing to download on SP2?

                There is something, but they won’t.
                Quote: Setrac
                And then what are the contracts?

                For the supply of gas. Or except for what on SP-2 there is nothing to swing through?
                I will explain to you in a simpler language.
                You have entered into a supply contract. There is a transport system that you used and it has not disappeared.
                You are building a new gas pipeline - good. But I, as the end customer, was not at all obligated to buy gas from you from a new pipe.
                Your actions ? Will you block the old system, or introduce a new one? And the new one has not only not been built yet, but has also come under sanctions. Therefore, at best, there will be a compromise or nothing.
                Germany will support the Nord Stream II gas pipeline project from Russia to Europe, subject to three conditions. This was stated by German Minister of Economy and Energy Sigmar Gabriel in anticipation of a meeting with EC member for energy issues Miguel Arias Cañete.

                "Germany has established three conditions to support the project: Nord Stream must comply with legal requirements, not to threaten gas transit through the territory of Ukraine and not limit gas supplies to Eastern Europe, "the German minister quoted Interfax as saying.
                1. +4
                  9 August 2017 22: 29
                  Quote: tamnun
                  There is something, but they won’t.

                  Why then do they buy it?
                  Quote: tamnun
                  You are building a new gas pipeline - good. But I, as the end customer, was not at all obligated to buy gas from you from a new pipe.

                  Are you Ukrainian? But what about the loot for gas transit?
                  The Germans will not give up the role of gas transit, they are not Ukrainians ...
        2. 0
          12 August 2017 17: 22
          Then he will appear when they block the Ukrainian pipe. Europeans are quick to nimble when they need to.
      2. 0
        9 August 2017 20: 50
        No matter what, Turkey will not leave NATO, so what?
  4. +7
    9 August 2017 16: 55
    Another follower of the apocalypse:

    1) SP 1 is currently 90% loaded

    2) In the Black Sea, they built and laid by the beginning of August 125 kilometers of the Turkish Stream. This is more than 13% of the offshore part of the gas pipeline with a length of 937 km. We obtained such indicators based on data from the navigation portal Marinetraffic. Judging by them, the construction of the gas pipeline has come into rhythm and, for example, over the last half a month the Pioneering Spirit pipe-laying vessel has built and laid 55 km: an average of 3,5 km per day

    3) Novatek plans to commission the second line of the Yamal LNG plant for natural gas liquefaction (LNG) three months ahead of schedule, the third line 6-9 months, the head of Novatek Leonid Mikhelson told reporters.

    “We will try to commission the Yamal LNG line as soon as possible. We planned to commission each line at the end of 2017, 2018, 2019. I think that the second line will be commissioned three months earlier (plan - TASS approx. ) and the third line will be introduced 6-9 months earlier, "he said.
    Yamal LNG is implementing a project to build a liquefied natural gas plant with a capacity of 16,5 million tons per year at the resource base of the South Tambeyskoye field. The plant is scheduled to be launched in 2017. The project cost is estimated at $ 27 billion, almost the entire volume is contracted - 96% of the future LNG volume.

    The Baltic states once brought LNG and anchored, the Poles also tried.

    Someone wouldn’t say that the pipes should be replaced on average for almost 7 years (and by and large) for Kakelovsky pipes, not tomorrow, but tomorrow - and that’s + - $ 2 billion will be solved in one way or another, with the Turks also did not immediately agree.
  5. +2
    9 August 2017 18: 15
    And yet, if the joint venture 2 is built, Germany throws a glove in America ...
  6. 0
    9 August 2017 19: 10
    The Federal Republic of Germany will not only throw the glove in the face of the United States, it will remain competitive in the north and south. America. as for sp-2, it guarantees the stable development of europe in the future - and frankly I do not understand the government and gas industry? cn and the Turkish stream is enough to get around ukrodebi fishing. After a year in 2021, both the Federal Republic of Germany and France and Italy will build a joint venture-2 themselves, with the consent of the Russian Federation, to sell gas at our prices. for a year we will not die, but we will receive respect.
  7. 0
    9 August 2017 19: 49
    So, in 2019, Europe may lose 50% of Russian gas supplies if SP-2 is not built, and everything goes to the point that its construction will be disrupted. Putin does not take his words back.

    The question is different, if Europe loses Russian gas, then of course it will not lose gas at all. Gazprom's share in the total volume of European gas is about a third.
    Europe has alternative sources of gas, such as LNG, the possibility of developing shale and the increase in volumes by other suppliers.
    the pretense that Europe will be left without gas is neither real.
    The second question, where will Russia get gas? His surplus? The answer is not where.
    those therefore - will agree , for Russia, the loss of the European market is much worse than the loss by Europe of Russia as a supplier.
    I think pumping through Ukraine will continue. What about SP-2? Well, they will freeze it or use it in parallel for limited volumes of supplies.
    1. 0
      9 August 2017 20: 29
      Quote: tamnun
      Europe has alternative gas sources

      The question is how much will it cost Europe.
      1. 0
        9 August 2017 20: 39
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: tamnun
        Europe has alternative gas sources

        The question is how much will it cost Europe.

        Do you think that Europe is not ready to pay more?
        How much gas cost 5 years ago?
        in 2013, significantly more modest - the average selling price of the exported 1 thousand cubic meters. m will decrease up to $ 360 (against the preliminary estimate of $ 386,7 for 2012 and $ 383 for 2011).

        How much is LNG
        According to James Henderson, a leading analyst at the Oxford Institute for Energy Research, U.S. LNG suppliers are comfortable with the price of $ 245 per thousand cubic meters

        Europe paid much more than LNG costs now and didn’t bend anything.
        1. +1
          9 August 2017 22: 54
          Quote: tamnun
          Do you think that Europe is not ready to pay more?

          Quote: tamnun
          Europe paid much more than LNG costs now and nothing

          Well, if it is beneficial for her to overpay, then let him feed the owners. The question is how long this will last.
          ... Europe probably remembers the Wolfowitz Doctrine of 1992, which states: The European Union is a dangerous rival to the United States and it must be destroyed not only politically but also economically. This can be done just when the economic ties of Europe with Russia are broken ...
        2. Ren
          0
          10 August 2017 06: 20
          Quote: tamnun
          suppliers of American LNG satisfied with the price of $ 245 per thousand cubic meters

          Banana pickers are satisfied with the price and 1 cent per banana when selling it under a palm tree, so what?
    2. avt
      +4
      9 August 2017 22: 49
      Quote: tamnun
      Europe has alternative sources of gas, such as LNG, the possibility of developing shale and the increase in volumes by other suppliers.

      bully Azosenway! How scary to live! bully Especially when Katz offers to give up! bully Where did the famous Jewish diligence in training go? wassat Go to the googel and find out who and when and why banned mining at Europe
      Quote: tamnun
      development of shale

      Then, find out why, and most importantly, at what price and lope pumped into the existing infrastructure slurry.
      Quote: tamnun
      that Europe will be left without gas - not real.

      Oh wow! Who and when spoke for statelessness ??? fool Again zhezh - at least go to the googel and ask how much of the surplus value the cheaper Russian gas gives in relation to the liquid from the same Yankees. Then comes the realization that Europa with new US sanctions has a choice - either they are imposed sanctions for working with Russia and the USA market is closed to them, or they take the liquid from Kozyr and their products become more expensive on autopilot, and this the loss is already in the “competitive” struggle of the USA market.
    3. +2
      10 August 2017 19: 49
      Quote: tamnun
      The second question, where will Russia get gas? His surplus? The answer is not where.


      Russia can develop the domestic market. We have a lot of non-gasified places.
  8. 0
    9 August 2017 21: 43
    Quote: Smog
    and the Turkish stream? Is he out of business at all?

    One pipe for Turkey is another theoretically for Southern Europe. But it’s still not clear how it will be. There is no hub in Greece, but another question will arise. Perhaps the second pipe will go to Bulgaria - for us this would be an ideal option. Since Turkey can then turn into a new blackmailer.
  9. 0
    9 August 2017 23: 17
    it is not clear why the Power of Siberia is presented as salvation ... is there a price comparison? Information that the cunning Chinese will receive both the pipe and the humble seller and the price at the cost level is enough. And it will depend on a fairly principled China ...
    Enemies, partners, or tomatoes have still not decided on Turkey. They will build a branch for the needs of Turkey. SP2 yes - sanctions, but does it stop the money?
    The EU is the largest buyer of gas and oil of the Russian Federation. And solvent and ready to pay. And China always has an alternative .. and they can twist their hands better than the EU.
    And the redistribution of the gas market has entered an acute phase. USA, Qatar, RF ...
    Of course, you can hold on to the price ... but there will be a Pyrrhic victory ... and Gazprom is already impoverished a little.
  10. 0
    9 August 2017 23: 57
    Russia will not continue its Eurocentric policy, that is, Ukrainian gas transit, as German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel hopes, and will replace him with the Power of Siberia to China.
    - wet imagination of the author. They will always strive to have two suppliers, or two sales markets, or better, more.
  11. +1
    10 August 2017 04: 49
    I’m more interested in the question: “In general, the gas transportation system of Ukraine will be physically able to transit gas after 2019 or not, and for how long?”
  12. +1
    10 August 2017 13: 30
    [Quote]Russia has a trump card: the Power of Siberia gas pipeline to China, which should also be commissioned in 2019, it can reimburse Russia for lost revenue from stopping gas supplies to Europe. [/quote]
    Before you publish any rubbish, at least read the official website of Gazpromexport !!! I do it for you (with links to the site of Gazpromexport):
    "In 2016, Gazprom Export delivered to European countries 178,3 billion cubic meters m gas"
    http://www.gazpromexport.ru/statistics/
    "design performance of the Power of Siberia - 61 billion cubic meters m gas per year"
    http://www.gazpromexport.ru/projects/3/
    "May 21 2014 in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping PJSC Gazprom and CNPC signed a contract for the supply of gas from Russia to China in the amount of 38 billion cubic meters m per year for 30 years".
    http://www.gazpromexport.ru/strategy/markets/
    That is, there is no question of any replacement of the European consumer with the Chinese one. Neither transit capacities, nor contracted volumes, nor prospects are comparable.
    Even if China suddenly wanted to buy as much gas from Russia as Europe does now, then it would be necessary not only to build the three “Forces of Siberia”, but also to rebuild the entire domestic Russian gas transportation system from west to east. This is a huge amount of money and time. There is no money of its own, America has imposed sanctions on such projects, and China will certainly give a loan, but under what conditions? As experience shows, China plays very well on other people's contradictions, to its own advantage.
  13. +1
    10 August 2017 15: 49
    Now I am engaged in the control over the design of the Power of Siberia MG. Gas from the Chayandinsky and Kavyktinsky fields does not compensate for the loss of gas transport in the western direction. However, you forget about the SP-1 gas pipeline. Germany, France, Spain and Italy will not be affected at all by canceling the construction of SP-2; they will receive the amount of gas they need from SP-1. But the Eastern European countries will have to think hard. And yes, the Norwegian deposits are running out, according to various forecasts, they have only 5 to 10 years left to exist.
  14. 0
    10 August 2017 16: 18
    I think ours will never agree to cut off gas to Europe, economic losses will be too huge .... and Russia and Europe will have to think how to get around the US sanctions, this campaign will never end
  15. 0
    12 August 2017 12: 47
    it is necessary now to "blow up the transit pipe in Ukraine by the forces of" local patriots "... then the Europeans will become obscene, and the construction of joint venture 2 will accelerate .... everything is to be blown up, of course, we will always be the masters of hybrid wars ... our answer, in the best traditions --- WE ARE NOT THERE
  16. 0
    15 August 2017 12: 14
    So overlap.

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