Mi-28UB "break in" in Syria

Nikolai Pavlenko, General Designer of Russian Helicopters, informs that eight dual-control helicopters will enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces this year. We are talking about the Mi-28UB rotary-wing aircraft (a combat training modification of the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" helicopter developed in 2010). Attention is drawn to the statement of the general director of the aforementioned holding, Andrey Boginsky. According to Boginsky, Mi-28UB helicopters will be sent for "testing" to Syria.

TV channel "Star" quotes a statement from the CEO of Russian Helicopters:

Today, the Mi-28N helicopter has a pilot and an operator, and the main goal and task of modernization is to make it a combat training so that the helicopter can be controlled from each of the cabins. We would like these helicopters (Mi-28UB) to undergo some kind of testing in Syria.

The first formation, which will receive the latest Mi-28UB, will be the 344th Center for Combat Use and Retraining of Flight Personnel of the Army aviation (city of Torzhok). As stated, the very retraining (theoretical) for flights on Mi-28UB helicopters, the flight personnel of the Torzhok Center have already passed. Now it is expected to practice piloting a new rotorcraft.

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[pvv113]

Mi-28UB helicopters will be sent for "testing" to Syria

Running in real combat conditions is the best option

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: pvv113

Running in real combat conditions is the best option

This is not on the range ... In such conditions, any student will become a real pilot in a few "training" flights! Good luck guys ...

[pvv113]

It is not often possible to check a technique in full, with all the calculations.

[NEXUS]

Quote: pvv113

Running in real combat conditions is the best option

You yourself understood what they wrote ... these are TRAINING HELICOPTERS! What are the real combat conditions then?

[Pirogov]

Quote: NEXUS

You yourself understood what they wrote ... these are TRAINING HELICOPTERS! What are the real combat conditions then?

They are still combat training, and this also provides for the possibility of participating in a battle. Otherwise, they could be tested in Russia as well.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pirogov

They are still combat training, and this also provides for the possibility of participating in a battle. Otherwise, they could be tested in Russia as well.

How do you imagine it can be found out? That is, an inexperienced flyer sits down with an ace and they fly to bomb the ISIS ...
I have a question, was it impossible to do this on a simple MI-28N?

[St Petrov]

That is, an inexperienced flyer to sit down with an ace

it seems like this usually happens

Ace Colonel Ryafagat Khabibullin and Lieutenant Yevgeny Dolgin as an example. And while they are flying on the desk, the cadets are not sitting with the lieutenant.

And how to put eaglets on the wing, if not under the gaze of an experienced pilot

[Settlement Oparyshev]

As far as I understand, while one is driving, the other can have a smoke! I'm all for it!

[Manul]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: pvv113

Running in real combat conditions is the best option

You yourself understood what they wrote ... these are TRAINING HELICOPTERS! What are the real combat conditions then?

This is primarily a combat vehicle. She just has duplicated controls. I once asked a question why it was impossible to implement this right away, they told me that technology did not allow it. In fact, it is necessary to have the entire fleet of Mi-28s in such a version so that the co-pilot can always reach his own in case of injury to the first. Or is there something in the Mi-28 UB, according to your information, that limits its combat characteristics?

[pvv113]

Read carefully: Mi-28UB (combat training modification of the Mi-28N "Night Hunter"

[Manul]

Some apparently have a tough stereotype with the Yak-130, which is a training desk and a combat one - with a stretch. In that, everything is sharpened for training. And then they added vital controls for the co-pilot to the Mi-28, and the helicopter became "flawed" for combat use?

[pvv113]

Not everyone understands this.

[Basarev]

That is, in fact, one pilot can now fully pilot and shoot? Are Shark's opponents put to shame? I just really would like to create a modern single-pilot drummer like the Akula and expel the entire zoo of combat helicopters from the armed forces. Even the richest US army in the world cannot afford two helicopters that actually duplicate each other and only keeps an Apache.

[3officer]

In faraway Syria, barmaley look at the new military-industrial complex with apprehension on the pages of Vestnik Mordovia, because as a rule they see them before the regulars at arms exhibitions and saloons.

[APASUS]

Quote: 3officer

In faraway Syria, the barmaley are apprehensively considering the novelties of the military-industrial complex

Rather, in faraway Syria, the barmaley are the first to get acquainted with the performance characteristics of new products of the Russian military-industrial complex; they see samples of military equipment and aviation before the regulars of weapons exhibitions and salons

[3officer]

Well, in general, the "bearded girls Bana" are not delighted with the new tradition of "running in" the product of Russian gunsmiths

[rice]

Quote: 3officer

after all, as a rule, they see them earlier than the regulars of arms exhibitions and salons

Only they can not always tell about new products.

[Alexey-74]

The point is right. There is such an opportunity to test it at the Syrian "training ground". Good luck!!!

[padded jacket]

Yesterday I did not believe a friend from the site who claimed that Sukhnu was taken, but he turned out to be right.
The first footage of the city of Es-Sukhna liberated by the Syrian army from IS


There is not much left until Der-ez-Zor, and here, in the desert area, helicopters of the Mi-28 type would be very useful, it's a pity that Syria does not have the money to buy them ..

[Settlement Oparyshev]

It is a pity that Syria does not have money to buy letaki, but maybe we will put them under the record for now.

[3officer]

Quote: pp to Oparyshev

It is a pity that Syria has no money to buy letaki.

It was possible to deliver the Yak 2011 contracted before 130, at the same time the topics of numerous discussions would be removed - can it be used as a light attack aircraft or not

[v1tz]

Syria is a good testing ground, and the ISIS air defense systems are minuscule ...

[Settlement Oparyshev]

Don't worry. Wait, Congress will send a few stingers into the desert and we’ll go to bed right away.

[Muvka]

Stingers won't help. Ours fly low.

[irazum]

Here to see, to listen, well, everything is OK. However, India didn’t buy it, and on trials in Sweden it was simply "fancy-dressing".

[3officer]

Quote: irazum

just "fancy".

Banal loss of the tender, which is already equal to "fraud." There were more questions there not even to the helicopter itself, but to the wearable weapons, for example, to those same ATGMs of the 3rd generation. with the production of which we have "pull the rubber" until now.

[cedar]

Quote: irazum

Here to see, to listen, well, everything is OK. However, India didn’t buy it, and on trials in Sweden it was simply "fancy-dressing".

In the world arms business, competition is very fierce. The best does not always triumph over the good. Often politics interferes with its specific relations of power and money ...

[san4es]

The main difference between the new Mi-28UB and the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" helicopter is a double hydromechanical control system, which allows you to control the helicopter both from the cockpit and from the cockpit of the operator-operator acting as an instructor. In the new helicopter, the instructor's cabin has been increased, the upper part of the pilot's cockpit canopy has been expanded, and the configuration of the energy-absorbing seats has been changed.
The new Mi-28UB helicopter will make it possible to qualitatively improve and make more efficient the process of training pilots for the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" helicopters, which are supplied to the Russian Air Force and can be offered for export. In addition, while maintaining the full potential of an attack helicopter, the Mi-28UB is ready to serve in the ranks along with the Night Hunters.

[Manul]

Quote: rudolff

A spoon for dinner is expensive. Why do we need UB now, if NM is already on the way, also with dual control.

Just like the Mi-28N appeared. They added an overhead radar, and got a night hunter, in order to somehow withstand the competition with the Ka-50 and not lose the MO order. They took pity (everyone was worried about the Milevites, and I was also glad that the project did not disappear) adopted in the "N 'version, only in fact, until recently, the usual Mi-28 flew. your “NM” and “on the way.” Without running this basic version, nothing will be made.

[zivXP]

The Syrian flyers apparently want to be transferred to new machines. Someone needs to be on watch.

[Music]

Maybe it will reach the Su-57? Military acceptance type?

[marder7]

not earlier than the "installation" batch of serial machines. pre-production is too "different" to run.

[not main]

Quote: NEXUS

I have a question, was it impossible to do this on a simple MI-28N?

No! And then double control is a plus, not a minus! Take the Mi-24 with its "flawed" operator control. Although this has borne fruit: compare the Mi-24a and the Mi-24d, v, n, vp and everything will become clear! Moreover, a graduate of a higher flight school is used as an operator!