Prototype T-50-11 with glider Su-57 made the first flight

Informational portal naked-science.ru reports that the first flight of the fifth-generation prototype of the T-50-11 aircraft took place. As you know, the plane a few days earlier received the official name of the Su-57.

Flight tests began machine with tail number 511.

It is noteworthy that the T-50-11 was the tenth prototype of the Russian aircraft of the new generation, rising into the air. Why is it about marking "11"? The fact is that this prototype turned out to be completed before the previous prototype "T-50-10", which was supposed to rise into the sky before the 11-th copy.

It should be noted that the T-50-10 and T-50-11 are copies of the PAK FA, after which the so-called pre-series production of fifth-generation aircraft should begin. According to the latest data, 12 of such vehicles will be supplied to the troops in the coming years.

The specialists of T-50-11 attract the most attention in comparison with other prototypes. The reason is that the Su-57 production aircraft will have exactly the same glider as the T-50-11. Since the creation of the first prototype, the airframe has undergone significant changes. The Su-57 on-board equipment will be the same as that of the prototype T-50-9.

Comments

[vch]

Would already be sooner! Very necessary car!

[cniza]

This is not a quick process, but I want it as soon as possible ...

[vch]

Yes, I understand everything! Look, how many years have the Americans been unable to bring their 35th to mind, although they have already had it in a series for a long time ......

[maxim947]

The photo is successful, you will not recognize it right away))
So we will finish it a few more years, this is a common practice

[NEXUS]

Quote: vch

Would already be sooner! Very necessary car!

It was stated that a serial vehicle will go to the troops in 18 ... by the year 20 they promise to launch the production of engines of the second stage already ...

[KKND]

Quote: NEXUS

It was stated that a serial vehicle will go to the troops in 18

Hello Andrei.
Remember in 2016 You told me that the car will go to the troops in 2016. Statements were made by officials ..
Do not remember anything?

[NEXUS]

Quote: KKND

Hello Andrei.

Good afternoon!

Quote: KKND

Remember in 2016 You told me that the car will go to the troops in 2016. Statements were made by officials ..

So what? I remember that I told you about this, based on statements by developers and Mr. Rogozin ... what's next? Or did you decide to catch me in a lie?
If your EGO requires some kind of satisfaction, in recognizing deadlines ... well, console yourself, who is against it.

[aKtoR]

And he also said the commander in chief of the Air Force - 2016 two aircraft. There were problems with the airframe and it’s great that they didn’t take a wet plane. What's bad about it?

[KKND]

Quote: NEXUS

Or did you decide to catch me in a lie?

I’m not trying to catch you in a lie, but to point out your naivety.
Do not believe everything that they say.
Although a person believes in what he wants to believe, it’s hard to fix it.

[aKtoR]

You can not understand lying on the couch and little understanding in aviation

[KKND]

Quote: aKtoR

You can't catch lying on the couch

So I did not try to catch Andrei. He is a good person, but what he often writes just amazes me.

Quote: aKtoR

and with little understanding in aviation

I will tell you a little secret: those who understand something in aviation, as a rule, do not write here.

[NEXUS]

Quote: KKND

He is a good person, but what he often writes just amazes me.

I voiced the statement of the designers and Rogozin ... and marvel at them. And as regards the postponement of the terms ... it’s better to adopt a tested and modified car after spending two more years than later to arrange circus mattresses with your 35th ...

Quote: KKND

I will tell you a little secret: those who understand something in aviation, as a rule, do not write here.

Oh you... Does the nickname Ancient tell you something? By the way, the person with whom you communicate with the nickname aKtoR, for your information, has a direct bearing on aircraft construction ... this is so, regarding your bold statement. I can also name a couple of names if you wish ...

[KKND]

Quote: NEXUS

Oh you ... Does the nickname Ancient tell you something?

Before that, he was a waf.
Different people write, happen and understand something.
But this is supposedly an exception.
But I don’t know aKtoR and I can’t speak, he understands something or an ordinary patriot. So far, he has not written anything serious (I have not seen).

[NEXUS]

Quote: KKND

Different people write, happen and understand something.

They understand much more than many people sitting here ... for example, such a person under the name SSI, who took part in the development of the first TU-160 and displayed the first prototype on the concrete ... is that enough for you?

Quote: KKND

But I don’t know aKtoR and I can’t speak, he understands something or an ordinary patriot. So far, he has not written anything serious (I have not seen).

And he won’t write ... maybe he doesn’t have the right ... but take my word for it, this person is not very simple.

[KKND]

The funny thing is that those who understand do not engage in cheer-patriotism.
I noticed this by reading this forum for years.
But it’s possible to have fun with the patriots, they have the knowledge "mother-negoruy"

[ava09]

Quote: NEXUS

I voiced the statement of the designers and Rogozin ... and marvel at them. And as regards the postponement of the terms ... it’s better to adopt a tested and modified car after spending two more years than later to arrange circus mattresses with your 35th ...

By default (from your words - to the statements of designers and Rogozin), in 2016, the car had to be tested and finalized. And you fool your head, dragging here the "mattresses" and the Ego ... Pierced, broadcasting the lies or errors of the designers and Rogozin - admit the mistake and do not get out like in a frying pan.

[Black Colonel]

"Ancient" - he is a former "VAF". A worthy specialist in aviation, God grant him health.
KeKeNeDe It seems recently appeared here, and adults expresses opinions.

[Nick]

Quote: KKND

I’m not trying to catch you in a lie, but to point out your naivety.
Do not believe everything that they say.

Of course, you don’t have to believe everything, but how can you not trust the specialists responsible for this particular issue? What does naivety have to do with it? He didn’t cite the words from the grandmother from the market!

[Philip Staros]

How many years I have been following the topic - I don’t remember what they would seriously promise IN THE MILITARIANS before 17-18. Everything is on schedule! For those I didn’t notice - TEN planes are already flying. The engine promised the second stage to the 19th year ... And then, it seems, it’s not yet in the series ... Here it is necessary to raise quotes and nuances - because it will “fly up”, “go into the series”, “enter service”, “the first stage "," second stage ", etc. - many of these nuances are not noticed by many, and the time difference between them is YEARS!

[Mystery12345]

Quote: NEXUS

It was stated that a serial vehicle will go to the troops in 18

I bet no ... not earlier than the 20th .... there is no point with the old motor ...

[aKtoR]

What are we arguing about? If you are wrong, you can hardly call yourself a divine forumchanin?))) PUBLICALLY my memory is good

[Seryoga Gord]

the dispute is useless, this device will not go into series, max. 50-60 dryers will be blinded and they will be blown in, all resources will be thrown to the 6th generation, so as not to overtake mattresses, but ahead of the board, because after 2020 drones will come to the fore and pilots will not be in demand ...))

[Philip Staros]

Something tells me that the sixth generation SYSTEMS will simply consist of several gliders, of which ONE or several will be PILOTED (in other words, optionally).

[Vlad.by]

Well, it started ...
Not only are we facilitating the work of the Western special services by pointing fingers directly at experts, but they have begun to make bets on fantasies about the “mainline” development path of military aviation. And like adults.

[Maz]

Quickly, just all sorts of rubbish such as an urgent loan - a loan is obtained. Again, the US Air Force troll, then our devices are cheaper, but much. Again, China does not wait for t-50, the Americans will definitely not give them a raptor or fi35 to copy. And we will give. Fuck at the US Air Force pilots armpits will turn gray in the crotch when the Chinese begin to chase them over the Pacific Ocean

[Stabilization]

we will give ... in 15-20 years, when the replacement will be ready.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Maz

Quickly, just all sorts of rubbish such as an urgent loan - a loan is obtained. Again, the US Air Force troll, then our devices are cheaper, but much. Again, China does not wait for t-50, the Americans will definitely not give them a raptor or fi35 to copy. And we will give. Fuck at the US Air Force pilots armpits will turn gray in the crotch when the Chinese begin to chase them over the Pacific Ocean

according to information from Hindus, Su-57 should cost at least 100 million $ if they are released at least 250. There are no miracles. R&D of such equipment is extremely expensive.
Why do the Chinese need your plane? They already have their own two models at the pre-launch.

[Setrac]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Why do the Chinese need your plane? They already have their own two models at the pre-launch.

So at the pre-launch ???

[Vlad.by]

Cost for Hindus and the cost of development are not the same thing. In addition, the same f-35 has already "exceeded" the bar of 100 million apiece long ago. And he’s definitely not a T50 equal

[Incvizitor]

Dviglo 2nd stage there?

[SergF123]

Xs, necessary for show off more. But on the other hand, progress should not stand still! Why for show-offs, but because they rolled it out early, with engines from the Su-35, firing points for old missiles and an unfinished body ...

[KKND]

Well, if by 2020 we begin to deliver to the troops.
The lag behind the Americans is only 15 years. in the 5th generation.

[Solomon Kane]

I would not say that the stripes on this issue are all “chocolate” .... In the pursuit of invisibility, other characteristics necessary for a combat vehicle have significantly decreased ...

[KKND]

Quote: Solomon Kane

. In pursuit of invisibility, other characteristics necessary for a combat vehicle have substantially decreased ...

And in the Su-57, therefore, they did not pursue invisibility
What characteristics have decreased? More details please.
Why, suddenly, the concept of the Su-57 is "muffled" with the F-22?
Hint: The 5 generation is primarily an engine, namely heat-resistant materials, since all thermal cyclic engines are subject to the principle of the "Carnot cycle".

[Solomon Kane]

About the shortcomings of "Raptor" has been repeatedly written on the pages of this site.
The concept of the 57th was, as YOU say, “licked” with the Su-47 and MiG Project 1.44, which were designed much earlier than the F-22.
And the 5th generation is not just an engine (the MiG-25 has not yet been surpassed), namely the aviation complex in conjunction with all the performance characteristics.

[KKND]

Quote: Solomon Kane

And the 5th generation is not just an engine (the MiG-25 has not yet been surpassed), namely the aviation complex in conjunction with all the performance characteristics.

Please, in more detail, about the theory of turbojet engines, in particular, about why the MiG-25 has such large nozzles?
P.S. this is not ur-scream.

[Mystery12345]

Quote: KKND

about why does the MiG-25 have such large nozzles?

because 25-31 don't care ... there's nothing to hide, he's an interceptor.

[Solomon Kane]

Hint: The 5 generation is primarily an engine, namely heat-resistant materials, since all thermal cyclic engines are subject to the principle of the "Carnot cycle".

...... do not add, do not decrease

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mystery12345

because 25-31 don't care ... there's nothing to hide, he's an interceptor.

There was nothing to hide 30 years ago ... maybe his main task was to intercept the CR ... and now he has increased his work, as well as his tasks. Well, 30-year-old radars and today's radars are like T-34s compared to T -14. And in this regard, the nozzle section, today, is a very important point.

[NKT]

Are you leading to the critical section of the turbojet nozzle?

[Blackmokona]

SU-47 first flight in 1997, the F-22 in the prototype YF-22 took off in 1990.

[Solomon Kane]

No one wrote about the "soared" The question arose about plagiarism. And the fact that the sheep were sitting in the government - the designers are not to blame .....

The crisis that erupted in 1991 put an end to the fate of the aircraft. MAPO-MIG was never able to organize project financing under the new conditions. On September 25, 1997, a prototype of the S-37 front-line fighter (Sukhoi Design Bureau) took off - the MiG 1.44 had not taken off by this time.

[okko077]

The 5th generation airplane is the central transmitting element of the information system based on certain properties of the airplane, which everyone loves to argue and love to list .... Why do we need an airplane with the properties of the 5th generation airplane if we don’t have such information systems? ... Amers have problems with information support, with software, with issues of information exchange within the framework of global information systems .... We do not have such systems and there are no such problems, and there are no 5th generation airplanes either. So why argue about the properties of single aircraft. A single aircraft without entering the developed information system will not be a 5th generation aircraft, whatever properties of invisibility, super-maneuverability, whatever engines and OFARs it possesses ..... Is this clear to everyone? So we work for the distant future ......

[Muvka]

That is, do you think our A-50s just fly like that? And can not direct fighters at targets?

[EvilLion]

The 5 generation plane is a PLANE. And it is determined by flight performance. And the information system can be put on An-2, when finally this obvious thing reaches you. Yes, and there is nothing new and unique in information systems for 20 for years, and the MiG-31 worked on the network at the link level back in the 1980.

[okko077]

I already understand everything, you have problems with understanding and with information systems in terms of network-centric warfare ....

[atesterev]

MiG-25 has not yet been surpassed

SR-71 not?

[aKtoR]

Well, about invisibility has not yet been officially announced. Let's wait ...
And what do you dislike if the system of this object detects the fact of exposure before the enemy himself detects the target)))

[KKND]

Quote: aKtoR

Well, about invisibility has not yet been officially announced. Let's wait ...

And why the inner compartment? Yes, and the very form of the glider as it hints ..

[Mystery12345]

Quote: KKND

And why the inner compartment?

ammo ... are you so stupid, or pretend to be?

[KKND]

Quote: Mystery12345

under cartridges

Do you need to hide cartridges to reduce aerodynamic drag only?
Trick

[aKtoR]

It's bad when they don't think like they write. I repeat it for you: the official parameters of the EPR are not voiced, we cannot compare it with something. The technologies used for the manufacture of exterior panels are not officially announced. Partners waiting in the future a few surprises. That is what was meant in the previous message)))

[KKND]

Quote: aKtoR

I repeat for you: the official parameters of the EPR are not announced, we can not compare it with something.

The official parameters of the EPR f-22 are not announced. And f-117. This is classified information.
So it will be with the Su-57.
I am not a specialist in the field of radar, but even I can see that they tried to reduce the EPR.

[KKND]

Quote: aKtoR

And what do you dislike if the system of this object detects the fact of exposure before the enemy himself detects the target)))

Suddenly, a direction finding is also possible on the MiG-29 before the enemy’s radar detects this MiG. Depends on Radar and MiG STR

[voyaka uh]

"Well, about invisibility has not yet been officially reported. Let's wait" ////

Because prototypes fly so far without a radar absorbing coating.
But the form can already be estimated. This is not the first stealth, there is nothing to compare.

[SPACE]

Quote: KKND

Hint: The 5 generation is primarily an engine, namely heat-resistant materials, since all thermal cyclic engines are subject to the principle of the "Carnot cycle".

This world has not heard

[KKND]

Sorry, do not indicate what exactly I'm wrong?
Do you think I came up with this?
Enlighten yourself.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BA%
D0%BB_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE

[SPACE]

Sorry, you just forgot to add that the 5 generation is called such an aircraft that flies not only thanks to the Carnot cycle, but also Newton’s laws, aerodynamics, thermodynamics, gravity and quantum mechanics, etc.

[KKND]

I pointed out that in the 5th generation the main engine and, accordingly, heat-resistant materials.
What are my complaints?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: KKND

What are my complaints?

You must be more modest ... Much more modest ... Your speeches sin with a poor knowledge of the topic along with narcissism ...

[KKND]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Your speeches sin with a poor knowledge of the topic along with narcissism ...

Specifically indicate where I am wrong.

[Shahno]

However, sensor fusion is supposed to be there. And so, yes, close, thdd uses the brighton cycle.

[Philip Staros]

The fifth generation is primarily ELECTRONICS, stealth, etc. Even cruising supersonic is not critical (see F-35).
So just the same engine is NOT the main thing. Moreover, the Su-57 also has cruising supersonic sound with the current engine.

[Vlad.by]

Sorry, but the 5th generation is not only an engine. The engine provides only thrust-to-weight ratio and cruising supersonic. This is only one of the critical properties of the so-called 5 generations.
And yes, the Americans really had a gap in materials science and engine building. But it is steadily declining.
Previously, about 30 years ago, they were ahead of us by 5 goals in terms of electronic warfare. Now it is not clear who is ahead.
Having finished the second stage, they will gain experience and statistics on it and will greatly catch up with the amers in the engines.

[owl]

Quote: Solomon Kane

other characteristics decreased

Yeah ... according to the characteristics of "SHOW" they are not competitors

[Days]

Quote: KKND

The lag behind the Americans is only 15 years. in the 5th generation.

Why does everybody measure generations with American airplanes? Aircraft were not developed in parallel, but as a response to previous adversary achievements (the F-15 was needed as a MiG-23 killer, the Su-27 was built as an F-15 killer and so on). Take the Su-57 for the fifth generation, then the F-22 does not have everything that a 5th generation fighter has, it suddenly became 4+. The same about the F-15, it is only 3+ in comparison with the Su-27.

[KKND]

Quote: Dagen

Take the Su-57 for the fifth generation, then the F-22 does not have everything that a 5th generation fighter has, it suddenly became 4+. The same about the F-15, it is only 3+ in comparison with the Su-27.

Generations 4 ++, 3, 5+, etc. just tsiferki invented for the entertainment of ordinary people.
Basically, the aircraft evolves as an aircraft with the advent of new engines, and more precisely with the creation of new materials.

[Days]

Quote: KKND

Generations 4 ++, 3, 5+, etc. just tsiferki invented for the entertainment of ordinary people.
Basically, the aircraft evolves as an aircraft with the advent of new engines, and more precisely with the creation of new materials

Oh, not for fun, but for the layman, so that then all sorts of Kaptsov and his ilk would write articles and comments about the backwardness of all of Russia. Yes? And airplanes have nothing to do with it. And especially the engines have nothing to do with it, although in Russia they are at the level of the best models. AL-41F1 In some ways, better, but in some worse, F-135. And AL-41F is better in everything

[alexmach]

All of these are inferior to the F-135 in traction.

[Days]

Yeah, the F-135 is trying very hard. He bypasses everyone in length))) Including the ancient NK-22 of 1968, which, however, did not prevent the latter from having a specific consumption of 0.85 kg / kgf * h (which is at least no worse than F-135) and a thrust on afterburner of 22000 kgf.

I don’t want to seem pretending to be an expert (my sofa doesn’t approve of this), but can still consider the engines by relative parameters and together with the plane?)

[Philip Staros]

Again you are about the engines!
The bison (MiG-21 with modern equipment) and without any engines or even gliders is quite a fourth generation for the results.
Everything in the complex. But what engine gives the fifth generation ?! And what other elements give ...

[jonhr]

this is you pearl issued don't even argue with you

[Days]

Yes, I also see no reason in the discussion, after I read about your religion - that only Americans can have 5th generation airplanes :)

[jonhr]

can not be, but it's just a fact

[Lord of the Sith]

Will I really upset you if I say that Americans don’t have a fifth generation? I mean F-22 and F-35. Specifically, out of 5 adopted parameters, two - maneuverability and speed without afterburner, does not reach 5 generations.

And the Su-35 is not the fifth generation only by stealth.

[KKND]

Quote: Sith Lord

Will I really upset you if I say that Americans don’t have a fifth generation? I mean F-22 and F-35. Specifically, out of 5 adopted parameters, two - maneuverability and speed without afterburner, does not reach 5 generations.

And we use the American definitions of what the 5th generation is.
What's up there. AFAR radar, cruising supersonic, over-maneuverability, stealth ...
Live the "American" brains, your right.

[Lord of the Sith]

Am I American brains? God with you! In my opinion, I did not defend the American aviation industry, but quite the opposite. Here you are rightly written that the Americans do not have a fifth generation. no matter what you call it for ordinary people or for specialists. There is a fact.

[KKND]

Quote: Sith Lord

In my opinion, I did not defend the American aviation industry, but quite the opposite.

Well, one must also be able to criticize ...

[jonhr]

what’s most interesting, both fly super-sonic without afterburner and the raptor is super-maneuverable

[Shahno]

Yes, the F22 and F35 have cruising supersonic sound. I'm just tired of already answering. You can’t stop the viral thoughts anyway. And someone constantly forgets about avionics. Because it’s not a camilleph about her.

[jonhr]

why should they remember if they have viral thoughts? wishful thinking and live on.
and somehow it’s not at all patriotic to recall that the 5th generation is a single information field. which, as I understand it, the t-50 is not observed

[Philip Staros]

I do not understand ... Why is not observed? Actually, the USSR was PIONEERS for the creation of network-centric systems ... And they were (and are) at the beginning of the 4th generation.
Our air defense system of the decade is a SINGLE INFORMATION FIELD the size of a COUNTRY, where interceptors have been included since Brezhnev's time.

[jonhr]

Oh really? As far as I am aware of the pioneers, my alien system appeared 15 years later than the Americans. or do you naively believe that problems with the f-35 so arose on an empty field with its 8 million lines of program code?

[Days]

Quote: Shahno

Yes, the f22 and f35 have cruising supersonic. I'm just tired of already answering. You can’t stop the viral thoughts anyway.

It seems you have not answered me yet :) Here is a good site for you: www.jsf.mil, and to be more precise, this page: http://www.jsf.mil/contact/con_faqs.htm

This page is printed in black and white:

Does the F-35 supercruise?
No, the F135 is not designed to supercruise

Here is another screenshot:

The F-35 does not have a cruising supersonic sound. All that a penguin can do is a short supersonic sound with a sharp increase in specific consumption. Because the Pratt & Whitney F-135 is built for subsonic operation.

[SergF123]

Something I have not heard about that the F-22 is super maneuverable, akromya, both from the Amerzot and the like, who holyly believe them ....

[SergF123]

Amersota does not have 5th generation aircraft, with a maximum of hints for it, the only plane that meets the signs of the 5th generation, if not paradoxically, is the Tu-160, just in case I’ll enlighten .... What would patriotism be, if you are Russian develop!

[jonhr]

I can say that only Americans have 5 generation aircraft. and if you want to learn about the super-maneuverability of the raptor, then you can help you. and I truly believe in what I see with my own eyes

[Days]

In American terms, supermaneuverability is just the use of maneuverability, which is not possible with conventional aerodynamic maneuverability, for example, through the use of OBT.

But this does not mean that he is super-maneuverable within the framework of the term adopted in the USSR. On the contrary, the same YouTube convinces the opposite :) Although your point of view religion also has a right to exist, as well as the church of the pasta monster, however.

[jonhr]

everything is more serious than I thought

[3officer]

So you look soon the whole squadron of prototypes will form And soon, we’ll bring down an entire armada of opponents

[DEPARTMENT]

Competition is a good thing .. (I'm the only thing I understood from the article)))) Good luck to aircraft builders!

[Solomon Kane]

Vitaliy, Salute! One thing is not clear - is the issue of engines on the T-50 resolved?

[voyaka uh]

Do I have to redo the glider again when completed
test and mount new engines? They are more powerful: other vibrations, weight?

[bk316]

Who knows ...

[aKtoR]

Do not have to

[Solomon Kane]

The glider is essentially perfect. The power plant will be designed specifically for the constructive structure of the airframe; in principle, it will not differ in size and weight from the previous one, the number of blades on the turbine (or the number of turbines on HPC or KPD) will be changed. And tolerances for overloads, vibrations, etc. with a huge margin ......

[KKND]

Comrade Ura-patriot, excuse me for being a skeptic, but I didn’t understand anything you wrote.

Quote: Solomon Kane

(or the number of turbines on HPC or KPD)

So how many turbines can be on HPC or KPD ???
More than one ?

[Shahno]

I propose to make it a three-circuit.

[KKND]

Quote: Shahno

I propose to make it a three-circuit.

Yes, you can stir up a five-loop

[Solomon Kane]

I agree, it was described, the slip went out, ... meant turbine wheels .....

[voyaka uh]

The glider has been redone 2 times. Fighter with internal compartments
for missiles and bombs is done in Russia for the first time. Internal compartments reduce
fuselage strength. Maybe it is in its current form and perfect. I will not argue.
In any case, there is nowhere to retreat. It is a carrier of new technologies, materials,
electronics. Must complete.

[Philip Staros]

But the bombers with internal compartments are not the first to do ...

[owl]

Quite possibly. I remember when the first “blueprints” of the T-50 appeared, some “left engineer” on the site commented on the speed characteristics (at that time something around 2.5M, I don’t remember exactly) this miracle, then literally “he doesn’t at that speed a weak ridge will fly off (from behind the compartments) "that the most important thing soon the" designer "themselves started talking about speed limits

[Operator]

The power circuit of the Su-57 airframe is a one-to-one power circuit of the Su-27, only worse: the fuselage of the first has a huge cutout in the form of wings of the internal weapons compartment, which naturally weakened the monocoque design.

After several years of work on this problem, reinforcing elements made of titanium and carbon fiber were added to the Su-57 fuselage, and they solved the problem.

The F-22 solved the same problem in a simple way - they placed air intake boxes on the sides of the fuselage (on the model of the MiG-25), reinforcing the layout layout, but at the same time worsening aerodynamics compared to the Su-27 / Su-57.

[owl]

Quote: Operator

After several years of work on this problem, reinforcing elements made of titanium and carbon fiber were added to the fuselage.

But what about the rumors about the "weight problems" of course I also heard
You just don’t worry the plane is essentially crude to recall at least an epic, and with the same Su-27, everything can be done, the main thing is desire, competence and ECONOMY, but with that ... time will tell in short. In the meantime, it shows about 200 tons of F-22 and almost doped F-35 and which F ... is waiting for us tomorrow?

[Operator]

F-18 Super Hornet, of course - to compare F-35 with Su-57 is possible only in the fantasies of Russophobes, and F-22 is hopelessly outdated and unable to withstand even Su-35С.

The Procrustean bed, in the form of limiting the length of air-to-air missiles deployed in the internal arms bays, brought the Raptor to a zugunder in the fight for air superiority with the Su-35С armed with an external airborne suspension (+ 300 km range, however )

[owl]

Quote: Operator

compare F-35 with Su-57

Quote: Operator

and the F-22 is hopelessly outdated

Quote: Operator

with the Su-35S, armed with a RVV-DB on external sling (+300 km range, however).

These are the loud conclusions of the "operator-machine milking" you already excuse me if I offended
I do not compare anything (what kind of fantasies ) there’s simply nothing to compare with but to prophesy this to Rogozin and others ...

[Operator]

Quote: gufo

I don't compare anything

Yes, yes, yes: "Practically finished F-35", - gufo (C)

PS Gufo from Italian translates as an owl, isn't it?

[owl]

Quote: Operator

Yes Yes Yes:

That's right, here I am talking about the fact that our partners have already had “5 generations” flyers who would not blaspheme them. If I compare something here, then only quantitative indicators!

[Operator]

Compare the number of "Penguins" with the number of fighters

F-22 - FSE, thank you all, everyone is free, the processing lines for the knife, suppliers of materials and equipment have reoriented to other products.

[owl]

Quote: Operator

Compare the number of "Penguins" with the number of fighters

I can not but rejoice at your optimism

Quote: Operator

F-22 - FSE, thank you all, everyone is free, the processing lines for the knife, suppliers of materials and equipment have reoriented to other products.

Visited a sense of deja vu and here I understood that the great “Ukrainians” describe the state of industry (and not only) in the Russian Federation in the same way, without having ours, in this sense I’ll see we are brothers

[Philip Staros]

Well, there is no need to overlap ... F-22 also flies in stock ... Radars, electronics, etc. changed already.
And the internal compartments, etc. give real advantages. If a large missile is needed, then some F-15 drags it behind it ... Can it be that it can not be hung from the outside, has it not been tracked?

[KKND]

Hello Operator
Where did they find the power circuit of the Su-57?

[Operator]

The power circuit of the Su-57 (a glider with a monocoque fuselage, an integrated wing, spaced engines and air intakes under the wings, and not in front of them) is visible to the naked eye.

The internal power set of the airframe is not really visible, but it is derived from the power circuit.

[KKND]

Che looked, looked ... thought, thought, the Y-23 is more like the Su-27.
About missiles +300 km. cool of course, but it’s strange that the Americans don’t use them, although there were projects. What this means is little understood. But on the Su-27, for example, the radar operating mode indicates the range for maneuvering and non-maneuvering targets for the R-27 about 2 times. I have a suspicion that everything depends on the methods (algorithms) of missile guidance. And there I do not understand anything. It is clear that an actively maneuvering target can be brought down by a missile only from a much shorter distance.
All the same, it is not clear why the Americans do not use them.

[Operator]

The experienced YF-23 almost matches the power scheme with the Su-27 / Su-57 (the latter have more engine spacing), but since the Americans themselves rejected it (by stupidity), then our Drying rules.

Americans up to the RVV-DB as to the moon - faith, that is, the dimensions of the weapon compartments F-22 and F-35 do not allow counting on more than AIM-120D with 180 km range.

[KKND]

They would have muddied on the F-15 or even implemented their A-12.
Still strange are the overloads on the P-33 \ 37. Little ones.
Any thoughts on this? It doesn’t reach me.

[Operator]

I can not say anything about the P-33 / P-37.

[KKND]

If I figure it out, I’ll inform you, we’ll think about my version.

[voyaka uh]

"About the +300 km missiles. Cool of course, but it is strange that the Americans do not use them" ///

Why is it strange? Such a missile can only be aimed at an airplane like AWACS or B-52. Of course, they also need to be shot down, but for the sake of dragging such a bandura under the wings?

[Philip Staros]

The missile part of the distance flies by inertia. And not a small part ... So it turns out that you can shoot down a maneuvering target only with the engine turned on. And non-maneuvering - it is possible and "fly".

[jonhr]

spaced engines first appeared on f-14. Do not tell me why the Americans abandoned this scheme?

[Operator]

By stupidity.

[jonhr]

and now more about this stupidity. really want to hear a reasonable answer from a specialist

[Operator]

Su-27 has a unique glider:
- the engines are lowered down the wing, the fuselage is raised above the wing (high wing);
- the air intakes are carried back beyond the wing edge.

The F-14, with its lowered fuselage (low wing) and forward-facing air intakes, was not standing nearby.

Spaced on both sides of the wing, the fuselage and air intakes allow the Su-27 to achieve super-maneuverable evolution in the yaw plane without surging engines.

Neither the F-14 nor the F-22 have this - when turning, one of the air intakes is necessarily shielded by the fuselage.

[jonhr]

and the disadvantages of spaced engines? I asked about it

[Operator]

There are no shortcomings.

[SPACE]

Quote: Operator

The power circuit of the Su-57 airframe is a one-to-one power circuit of the Su-27, only worse: the fuselage of the first has a huge cutout in the form of wings of the internal weapons compartment, which naturally weakened the monocoque design.

Nonsense, Su 57 has a better power circuit than 27, in fact 57 further evolution of 27 development where the concepts of the fuselage and wings are already completely erased, in fact 57 is one solid carrier wing, where the load is not only carried by the wing, but it is evenly distributed over judging by the flattened flat-layered body, it’s less prone to local, local overloads than the 57, which means it is stronger. And the internal 27 longitudinal compartments have a power partition, if it is removed, the caliber will fit there. But the main highlight of Pakf, all the same, is the unique first and only in the world controlled influx, controlled vortex! In general, the 2 aircraft is in many ways unique, it will be able to fly both slowly and quickly like a corncracker and 57 interceptor ... its appearance, appearance, contours, aerodynamics, directly say that absolutely all aircraft, including the FNUMX and FNUMX, are completely outdated. He will surprise many, many more ... wait ... remember these words ...

[Operator]

Quote: SPACE

this is one solid carrier wing

You confuse PAK FA with PAK YES.

the main highlight of Pakf, all the same, this is the unique first and only controlled influx in the world

Aerodynamics is not a power plan for a glider.

[SPACE]

Quote: Operator

You confuse PAK FA with PAK YES.

I do not confuse.

Quote: Operator

Aerodynamics is not a power plan for a glider.

We are talking about an airplane, these concepts are inextricably linked.

[KKND]

Quote: SPACE

in fact, 57 this is one continuous supporting wing, where the load is not only carried by the wing, but it is evenly distributed throughout the entire fuselage,

Quote: Operator

You confuse PAK FA with PAK YES.

He's talking about B-2 and his ancestors did not hear ...

[Philip Staros]

Wow ... It generally looks ... like a flying blade - very flat.

[san4es]

Quote: voyaka uh

Do you have to redo the glider again?

... yeah-well ... and so it will come down

[Incvizitor]

It seems to me that they will redo it when the ROFAR is finished, or it will be new aircraft.

[Alexey-74]

All this is good. So far, we would have to please our people with the pre-production version of the SU-57 .... well, finally complete the endless tests ............... and then we are testing that it is time to test the 6th generation aircraft

[tanit]

Quote: Alexey-74

otherwise we’re testing that it’s time to test the 6th generation airplane

And without the tests of the 5th, to experience the 6th, what's the point?

[spirit]

Something tells me that 6 in the USA it will be just a mix of RAPTOR with heavy shock drones. They are testing them in full in the hostilities, but with us it is rather weak (so I think 6 will not be soon

[Philip Staros]

Su-57, judging by the hints, will actually be an OPTIONALLY-manned aircraft. Like ALL of our latest technology. They will finish off the AI ​​and the squadron of cars will fly ... and from which the pilot (commander) will be in one ... And ANYWHERE ...

[Hadji Murat]

light wing, handsome!

[aKtoR]

Well, so we learned almost the new name of the aircraft))

[v1tz]

as I understand it, the 11th last chain of evolution of the T-50 ...

[tanit]

Quote: v1tz

as I understand it, the 11th last chain of evolution of the T-50 ...

But the tests just show. I hope the same, like everything that last before the series chain.

[aKtoR]

Do not worry, it's not scary. While not in a hurry, let the systems on the plane register

[Mountain shooter]

Make at least one!

[Muvka]

The coming years are until 2020.

[Philip Staros]

In fact, production is ALREADY proceeding at the same pace or on-going CONTINUING.

[Mountain shooter]

All is correct. The quieter you go, the further you'll get.
Our Israeli friends promised to talk about the F-35 - what does it feel like in the Middle East sky?

[san4es]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

... Our Israeli friends promised to talk about the F-35 - what is it like in the Middle East sky?

... They sent a video report

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: san4es

They sent a video report

It took off and immediately landed ..)))) It is empty in Iran will try to fly, there they have been waiting for it for a long time ...

[Panzermensch]

Clear. Very soon, here it is. Surely immediately with AEGIS and NIFC-CA will be.

[Philip Staros]

I don’t remember this ... Even in 2012. Maybe a slice filtered full of nonsense. Serious people promised otherwise. A long time ago, even before the 12th - somewhere around the year of the 16th they expressed hopes ... But then the deadlines shifted. And then everything went on schedule - the first flight, etc. And the engine of the second stage is generally on an optimistic schedule.

[irazum]

Beautiful car! The engines are just ...

[B-15]

It is not easy to make dviguny for the first time in the world.
Let's wait for the characteristics of the gas turbine engine of the second stage.
Then it will be clear who is ahead on the dvigunami.

[Voyager]

All this is good, but no one has officially named the Su-57. This leak is a rumor.

[polev66]

oh well seriously? Already from 2 months this name is well known and no one refutes

[Voyager]

There are a lot of things, but there was no official statement.

[KKND]

Quote: Mystery12345

because 25-31 don't care ... there's nothing to hide, he's an interceptor.

Another aviaexperd
This is necessary to achieve high supersonic speeds.
But it turns out to be extremely low efficiency at lower speeds.

[polev66]

quietly, calmly, modifying and improving business is moving towards mass production and deliveries to the VKS and for export)

[candidate]

... Neither oil nor gas is strong Russia
And in spirit and thought - God forbid forever! ...

[Music]

And the 10th ?? Does she have another glider? And when will this prototype be built?

[samoletil18]

Maybe never. Maybe they have already collected and started to remodel at -12. Maybe something else. They will tell us maybe. Or maybe they won’t. Or they will say something that does not correspond to the real situation.

[Holoy]

And my Air Force doesn’t give me peace at all! For Geometry, I am calm, she is the best in the world! But Avionics campaign worse ...

We do not have capable guys in Avionics!

[Philip Staros]

Avionics is how? What is the most powerful radar in the world on a military aircraft (Su-35S) than you do not like? So that the letter "A" is not in it? Or do our dryers fly poorly? Does the electronics not allow you to control yourself in the air? Or can not direct missiles? Avionics is how?
The Russians always had their trump cards and their weaknesses. Strengths correctly applied. Weak - not leveled.
The description of the systems on the Tu-214P generally makes "hair move" everywhere (such as radars displaying UNDERGROUND space for hundreds of km) ... And electrophotonics or whatever it promises that the "second stage" radar on the Su-57 will have equally futuristic capabilities operations, the flights of the Su-35S in super-maneuverability mode look wildly against the background of “normal” aircraft.
In general, avionics at the level ... Just their trump cards and their cons.

[P0LYM]

The engine is new where ???

[Mestny]

KKND,
While there are more of yours, all props and putisilsilnik. Just a little news - right there a slender choir of mourners runs over.

[Serzh_R]

Many admire the appearance of the T-50 (Su-57), but technology must be visible from the outside.
The T-50 has the look of a SU licked and chopped off by stealth technology.
These eye-catching engine contours are not what people trying to do the 6 generation do.
T-50 so far, despite the prospects, is just a window dress similar to Berkut (SU-47).
12 pieces series is just ridiculous.
Of course, the work carried out is huge and the groundwork has been done, but this is just work without result - the intended series and profitable export.

[Serzh_R]

It is not enough to produce a good thing, it should not look like a VAZ near Maserati.

[Tatarin83]

Who knows why the name of the model SU-57?
What is the logic in choosing numbers?

[Nova]

I hope not the year of release)

[Nova]

It would be interesting to look at the changes in the airframe that were mentioned in the article. I can not find with the naked eye in the photo.

[askme]

KKND,
Poking fun ... Well, this is parasitism, a kind of .... I do not see the positive in such activities. Well, people rejoice at statements by officials about the success of the military-industrial complex. The successes of the military-industrial complex are reality. Well, what’s the positive joke on these people? Yes, not him. Pointing out errors is one thing. And to make fun, to mock is the work of worms, mental parasites.

[aKtoR]

The misunderstanding of many members of the forum on the use of new technology in the army is killing. There will be a squadron or a regiment of these planes and we will be happy and the adversary will immediately be frightened. Also the situation in the topic about 1941 year ...
Even when the aircraft will be adopted, it will take years for it to become a real combat aircraft. And then you can drive a large series.
Why? This has already been written many times.
Need a guide to the flight operation of this aircraft. It is necessary to develop and test the tactics of this aircraft. It is necessary to register hundreds of types of weapons and equipment. It should be a year through .... Learn how to fly head.
All this was not done in 1940-41gg. And lost a huge amount of aircraft. We must be glad that we have smart military and are doing everything as it should.
And we restrain the enemy with the help of Yao.

[jonhr]

Operator,
well you have yes. are absent.

[ver_]

Quote: Seryoga Gord

the dispute is useless, this device will not go into series, max. 50-60 dryers will be blinded and they will be blown in, all resources will be thrown to the 6th generation, so as not to overtake mattresses, but ahead of the board, because after 2020 drones will come to the fore and pilots will not be in demand ...))

... it’s already 6 generations .., they’re not just flying - the algorithm is being worked out - without a flyer .. For this, the glider is stronger, and the modes are more * aggressive * .. the engine will reach and ... everything will be hockey ..