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Is "Siemens" squeezed out of the Russian market by American companies?

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The scandal associated with the supply of turbines "Siemens" in the Crimea (which, by the way, is not officially confirmed so far) is gaining momentum. After the European Union recently imposed sanctions against several officials of the Russian Ministry of Energy and three Russian companies in connection with the supply of turbines, Siemens said that after the trial it was ready to leave the Russian market.

Edition Forbes reported that the German company is going to withdraw licenses from Russian partners, as well as cancel the contract for the supply of equipment with the simultaneous export of turbines supplied from Russia.

Is "Siemens" squeezed out of the Russian market by American companies?


At the same time, there is information that the German manufacturer is deliberately squeezing out of the Russian market under the guise of a company that supplies “sanctions goods”. At the same time, American companies are picking up schemes to “replace” Siemens in Russia. In fact, we are talking about operations to free the Russian market from a German company that has been operating in our country for several decades, while simultaneously replacing it with an American company. In particular, this point of view in an interview with the radio station Sputnik expressed political scientist Alexei Mukhin.

From the interview:
And here, I am afraid, he (“Siemens”) will have to give way to American companies, which, without a twinge of conscience, occupy the places that Europeans relieve under the influence of these very sanctions. And they are already cooperating with us ... In general, the sanctions policy of the West raises questions not only in our country, but also in the West itself: guys, why do you shoot yourself in the leg? Russia is part of the global economy.


Recall that the activity of Siemens in Russia is not limited to gas turbines. For many years, there has been cooperation in the creation of railway locomotives, electric trains, household appliances, etc. These are hundreds of millions of euros in profit per year.

If Siemens leaves Russia, then companies from core areas will start to fight for the Russian market - and not only from countries that have not supported anti-Russian sanctions.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 7 August 2017 15: 53
    +22
    The Germans, whom I respect, unlike the Anglo-Saxons, have become complete prostitutes of the latter ... Sorry!
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 7 August 2017 15: 58
      +6
      The holy place will not be empty. As they say: business, nothing personal. Trump and Congress are interested in the profits of American companies. Europe is just getting in the way.
      1. The black
        The black 7 August 2017 16: 20
        +17
        That case when I will be even glad if the Americans once again throw euro suckers ..... let dunk their head in shit until they reach what’s what.
        1. cniza
          cniza 7 August 2017 16: 22
          +6
          Throw without hesitation, for this all this fuss.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 7 August 2017 16: 27
            +7
            Victor hi what kid? business - nothing personal laughing
            1. Cutter
              Cutter 7 August 2017 16: 40
              +9
              Quote: Partyzan
              Victor hi what kid? business - nothing personal laughing

              Volodya, so they call it "business"! Wall Street is well aware of a bunch of dishonest ways to squeeze competitors out of the market, ruin them, buy shares, go bankrupt, etc. I would not be surprised if the concept of "squeeze" came from there ... request
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              2. cniza
                cniza 7 August 2017 16: 55
                +3
                Do not be surprised if the concept of "squeeze" came from there


                All the muck comes from there ...
              3. cniza
                cniza 7 August 2017 16: 57
                +1
                Quote: Partyzan
                Victor hi what kid? business - nothing personal laughing


                Welcome hi , they have the whole business built on this ...
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          2. 210ox
            210ox 7 August 2017 16: 28
            +3
            How are they going to take out the turbines ?! fool
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 7 August 2017 19: 39
          +2
          Something seems to me such a scenario is unlikely.
          First, they say, the Germans still honor their economic interests.
          Secondly, it seems to me that it will be more difficult for Americans to supply something bypassing sanctions than Germans. They seem stronger sanctions.
          Well, in the event Simens leaves the market, Russia will also definitely suffer. Not for nothing that we buy technology from them.
      2. arane
        arane 7 August 2017 19: 14
        +3
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The holy place will not be empty. As they say: business, nothing personal. Trump and Congress are interested in the profits of American companies. Europe is just getting in the way.

        On. FIG is such a collaboration. Turbines produced in Russia cannot be delivered to Russia! To go nuts.
        We have to do it ourselves. Previously, export turbines were made.
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 7 August 2017 16: 02
      +6
      A holy place is never empty .. There is an ordinary redistribution of world markets in favor of the United States and the firms controlled by it ..! The United States kills two birds with one stone with these sanctions, tries to “squeeze” Russia and drive away EU firms, etc. from Russia thereby freeing these profitable markets for itself .. Nothing personal, only business ..! We understand this very well in Russia, therefore, these sanctions do not really hurt us so much, it’s just ridiculous to look at their brawl and tears that Russia does not kneel and does not ask for mercy from Uncle Sam .. hehe ..
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 7 August 2017 17: 10
        +2
        And in the geyrop everyone shouts “Putin is to blame” in unison, and meanwhile they are farther and farther from the table
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 7 August 2017 18: 19
          +5
          General Electric is Siemens' main competitor. Applauds this mess in a German concern standing.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 7 August 2017 19: 03
        +2
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        A holy place is never empty .. There is an ordinary redistribution of world markets in favor of the United States

        There is a natural weakening of the economic positions of those who began to get out of the custody of the USA and its patronage. Russia is no exception. The 90th EBNov years of rule put the economy at the feet of the Americans. They took everything they could. Now they don’t give so much, but the habit remains ...
    3. Tartar
      Tartar 7 August 2017 16: 05
      +3
      Quote: Finches
      The Germans, whom I respect, unlike the Anglo-Saxons, have become complete prostitutes of the latter ... Sorry!

      But the Germans are not Anglo-Saxons, no?

      In general, the article is somehow not logical, it puts more pressure on emotions. For example, which American company will fully replace Siemens in Russia?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 August 2017 16: 11
        +3
        But the Germans are not Anglo-Saxons, no?


        wassat

      2. Finches
        Finches 7 August 2017 16: 15
        +4
        Not....! hi There is a big difference between the Germans and the British, which is absolutely revealed by geneticists - the Germans have a completely different haplogroup. Details can be found on the Internet, but better in the monographs of scientists ...
        1. Tartar
          Tartar 7 August 2017 16: 17
          +3
          That is, the Saxons are not Germans?
          1. garnik
            garnik 7 August 2017 20: 30
            0
            Saxons and Angles are Germanic tribes. Subsequently mixed with Britons.
        2. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 7 August 2017 17: 37
          +2
          Quote: Finches
          Not....! hi There is a big difference between the Germans and the British, which is absolutely revealed by geneticists - the Germans have a completely different haplogroup. Details can be found on the Internet, but better in the monographs of scientists ...

          Yes, here, even without a halogen, it’s understandable that the Germans constantly fought with England, and with all their neighbors .. As long as the Russians didn’t drown them specifically! soldier
          Nevertheless, it’s better to be friends with the Germans. than with arrogant Saxons .. Putin tried, but alas, old Merkel earns her pension! Maybe the future Chancellor of Germany will be a peasant smarter ..! It’s better to be honest with the Russians, otherwise we’ll come back to Berlin for explanations!
          1. garnik
            garnik 7 August 2017 20: 42
            0
            We are not friends with the Germans, but they are with us. As long as we are a market for raw materials. They cannot be our allies, history is proof. In the West, the French can be allies, they have the same competitors and not friends around as in our west.
        3. 32363
          32363 8 August 2017 00: 44
          +2
          Quote: Finches
          Not....! hi There is a big difference between the Germans and the British, which is absolutely revealed by geneticists - the Germans have a completely different haplogroup. Details can be found on the Internet, but better in the monographs of scientists ...

          so in the USA 60% of the white population has German roots.
      3. Dym71
        Dym71 7 August 2017 16: 24
        +4
        Quote: TarTar
        For example, which American company will fully replace Siemens in Russia?

        GENERAL ELECTRIC for example
        Head office: Moscow, Russia
        Representative offices: St. Petersburg, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Kaluga, Rybinsk, Krasnodar, Gelendzhik, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Astana, Kiev, Baku, Tashkent, Ashgabat.
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      6. analgin
        analgin 7 August 2017 19: 55
        +1
        Quote: TarTar

        In general, the article is somehow not logical, it puts more pressure on emotions. For example, which American company will fully replace Siemens in Russia?

        If you see materials with expressions such as: “According to Western media,” “As American experts say” ... Or as here: “... political scientist Alexei Mukhin said,” then feel free to pass by.
        Because in 99% of cases this will not be the media, not experts and not political scientists.
      7. jonhr
        jonhr 7 August 2017 22: 50
        0
        rather the opposite. anglo-saxons little germans laughing
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 August 2017 17: 05
      +4
      "The Germans, whom I respect, unlike the Anglo-Saxons" ///

      In fact, the Angles and Saxons are two Germanic tribes who moved
      to the island of Britain, displacing the Celts (Britons) from there. wink
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 7 August 2017 17: 06
        +4
        displacing the Celts (Britons) from there.


        what buzzwords

        The Germans also drove you back from wherever possible

        not crowded out - but cut out. There is no other way to “squeeze out”

        Well, I don’t think what they did as Ottomans with Christians with increased attention and taxes, so the only option left is to cut it out.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 August 2017 17: 12
          +1
          It was driven out - the Celts remained in Wales, in Ireland.
          And then the Norman Scandinavians from the north of France (William the Conqueror)
          moved the Angles and Saxons. But again there was no massacre: battles, a change of power
          and a mixture of peoples.
          So England is a mixture of peoples.
          And the Romans (legionnaires in retirement) conked out there, and the Picts. smile
      2. Finches
        Finches 7 August 2017 17: 10
        +3
        voyaka uh

        Do not be clever - without much reason, I think that you still understand what I had in mind! Especially below I made a reference about gallogroups! hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 August 2017 17: 20
          +2
          Don't Be Smart ///

          Remember, the Soviet joke about school
          a janitor looking like Karl Marx? fellow
          ("Well, okay, I’ll shave off my beard ... but my mind, my mind somewhere
          your den ?? ") drinks
          1. Finches
            Finches 7 August 2017 17: 29
            +2
            Such a problem! laughing drinks
    5. Monarchist
      Monarchist 7 August 2017 17: 06
      +1
      Alas, the way it is: the baboon as he began to spit the Germans in all the holes, and they only groan. And now another has come, and they are still groaning.
    6. starogil
      starogil 7 August 2017 17: 52
      0
      Or maybe someone else, maybe those who easily change their partner?
  2. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 7 August 2017 15: 53
    +5
    To say thanks to those who destroyed their own production remains, let them burn in hell!
    And we ourselves can’t do it ???
    Yes, time is needed
    But do not fight forever, if you suddenly decided to become independent ???
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 7 August 2017 15: 56
      0
      Yes. they couldn’t live with their own mind, they took someone else’s - now they are recalling it.
      what bumps to go to Courchevel?
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 7 August 2017 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: kot28.ru
      And we ourselves can’t do it ???
      Yes, time is needed

      I am sure that it will be its own. Taught by bitter experience!
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 7 August 2017 19: 08
        0
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        I am sure that will be his ..Taught by bitter experience!

        That's for sure... fool Where does it come from? From the political department of United Russia? If there is one, then only from China and South Korea ... laughing
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 7 August 2017 19: 42
          +1
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          I am sure that will be his ..Taught by bitter experience!

          That's for sure... fool Where does it come from? From the political department of United Russia? If there is one, then only from China and South Korea ... laughing

          There was such a country as the USSR .. There they built from needles to space orbital stations!
          Now the USSR is no longer there, but in essence we are using everything that our ancestors created (weapons precisely, nuclear power plants, Cosmos, etc.) Everything can be restored, but not everyone wants it .. "As they said in the 90s, it's easier to buy than to create" And you don’t need to create anything, everything is there, everything can be restored again in drawings and projects .. The whole difficulty is that the world financial magnates will not allow us to! We are already included in their conveyor .. Sanctions, this is one of the methods of redistributing financial resources .. We have not yet escaped from them, but are trying ... They want to force us to fight again! And we do not want .. hi
  3. pvv113
    pvv113 7 August 2017 15: 55
    +1
    he (Siemens) will have to give in to American companies, which, without a twinge of conscience, occupy those places that Europeans are freeing under the influence of these same sanctions

    If in Europe there are no brains, then for them the Americans have come up with everything
  4. Buffet
    Buffet 7 August 2017 15: 58
    0
    Bred as if by notes. And they are happy to help.
  5. Ka2
    Ka2 7 August 2017 16: 00
    +3
    The material in this article is like an unconvincing attempt to blame someone for their mistakes.
    Cap guarantees it!
  6. Anton Boldakov
    Anton Boldakov 7 August 2017 16: 00
    +3
    Something somehow quickly “Siemens” leaked ... Wait! they have been working with us for more than a hundred years, and suddenly, because of a couple of some turbines, they ran away. incendiary sun ...
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 August 2017 16: 01
    +6
    Is "Siemens" squeezed out of the Russian market by American companies?
    And why not Russian?
    1. Yura
      Yura 7 August 2017 20: 05
      +1
      Some time ago I read that another large power station will be built in the Crimea on which turbines of completely domestic production will be installed. Siemens can because of this, among other things, climbed into the bottle, do not pick the jackpot anymore?
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 August 2017 16: 01
    +2
    Siemens is doing a lot of stupidity by giving the Russian market to Russian companies. And they understand that. Therefore, wang, loud statements and waving hands, they actually remain.
  9. Altona
    Altona 7 August 2017 16: 04
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    The Germans, whom I respect, unlike the Anglo-Saxons, became the finished prostitutes of the latter ...

    -----------------------------
    Well, women with reduced social responsibility at least take money, but here they just use it and humiliate it for free. FREE, THAT IS A GIFT!
    PS It’s strange, for some reason I’m forbidden to write the word “forgive me.”
  10. den3080
    den3080 7 August 2017 16: 05
    0
    Flag in hand and there is something uncensored on the collar
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 7 August 2017 16: 33
      +6
      You need to “score” this Siemens General Electric and other partners and make the turbines yourself, as it was during the USSR, this is the only worthy exit.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 7 August 2017 17: 04
    +1
    Look at how Europe copies all the steps of Ukraine, even if it looks less aggressive and defiant. The Americans crushed the EU for themselves and shamelessly wiped their feet on them. Although the EU crushed only one Merkel, I don’t know what my grandmother likes to shake on the phone, but she said Seriously.
  12. maiman61
    maiman61 7 August 2017 17: 10
    +1
    I don’t like Anglo-Saxons, but it’s better to let American firms work than these spineless ones!
    1. AUL
      AUL 7 August 2017 18: 40
      0
      Also not a gift! So they will also hold us by the turbines for eggs - an extra opportunity to play a dirty trick. It is necessary to restore its production, although it is difficult, expensive and long. Otherwise, we will depend on some, then on other "friends."
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 7 August 2017 19: 16
        0
        And why restore there, those same turbines because of which all the boron cheese was made in St. Petersburg. Just share there Siemens.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 August 2017 19: 12
      0
      Quote: maiman61
      but it’s better to let American firms work than these spineless ones!

      Better let the Russian vocational schools and our technical universities work. Yes, GDP and DAM will figure out a couple why our designers cannot, how much they earn and what the hell do you need to feed this obese team of oligarchs ...
  13. Operator
    Operator 7 August 2017 17: 13
    0
    Competition from the USA is just the tip of the iceberg: finished turbines and paper licenses can, of course, be taken to Germany, but Siemens enterprises, German machine tools, design and engineering documentation and trained Russian personnel will remain in our country laughing
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 August 2017 19: 15
      0
      Quote: Operator
      trained Russian staff will remain in our country

      Come on!!! After the collapse of the USSR, we have so much trained personnel left ... belay All outlets were crammed with engineers and professors who wanted to eat, but could not work anywhere, there were no existing enterprises ... request
      1. Operator
        Operator 7 August 2017 19: 31
        0
        Now 2017 is a year in the yard, and what have Soviet engineers and professors of the 1991 model of the year not trained in modern technology to do with it?
  14. TOR2
    TOR2 7 August 2017 17: 23
    +1
    The author is right, an interesting trend is visible. Recently I went to see a grinding nozzle with Velcro for a drill, and what kind of interesting manufacturers such were in the store. "USD" for example. And what kind of sanctions are these? This is not a sanction, but the crowding out of Euro-suckers from the market.
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist 7 August 2017 17: 33
    +1
    If “Simens” leaves, of course, it’s a pity, but the Comrade is right: “these sanctions do not hurt so much, it’s just ridiculous to look at their badge and tears” if the Germans leave today to visit us (they just passed by chance): Americans, Yaps, Koreans and the Chinese will not forget to offer their services.
    There have been two “simens” at our CHP since 1975. In 1988-19990, they started reconstruction and ordered a powerful turbine in Leningrad, but it doesn’t plow and we had to buy a couple of turbines in Japan more simply, but how much money is this super-super turbine in the pipe
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    1. svp67
      svp67 7 August 2017 18: 46
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      After all, they knew that it would not do without consequences and did it anyway. Sneaky.

      But nothing that installation and debugging was done by companies affiliated with Siemens?
      When a lot of money is at stake, it’s not up to "almonds with some kind of ethics" ...
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        1. svp67
          svp67 7 August 2017 18: 56
          +2
          Quote: rudolff
          What does affiliate mean?

          And that means that the company is "left", and the specialists are "Siemens". "Vacationers" you mean ...
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            1. svp67
              svp67 7 August 2017 20: 16
              +1
              Quote: rudolff
              These specialists also installed turbines and the Germans had nothing to do with it.

              "No matter what color the cat is, just to catch mice." Deng Xiaoping
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 7 August 2017 20: 12
          0
          In Russia, it seems like there is a complete production cycle, and not just assembly. And as for the licensing ..... So the turbine was already made by Russian hands, and the process technology in the technical department lies along the way. The license can be hung up in the toilet.
          1. jonhr
            jonhr 7 August 2017 22: 58
            0
            yeah and program codes for turbines from siemens are available? how will the turbines be serviced?
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 August 2017 19: 20
      0
      Quote: rudolff
      Siemens is already under tremendous pressure for cooperation with Russia, and then there is this scandal.

      And if Siemens moves to Russia, who will put pressure on him? belay In all the troubles that are happening in Russia, only the toothless Russian leadership is to blame. You do not listen to what they say, but watch what they do ... And you will be relieved to understand the situation ...
  17. japs
    japs 7 August 2017 19: 28
    +3
    Something tells me that one should look for "Serdyukovyh" in the bowels of the government and ministries.
    All this "Zhu-Zhu ..." (c) for a reason.
  18. analgin
    analgin 7 August 2017 19: 44
    0
    At the same time, there is information that the German manufacturer is deliberately driven out of the Russian market under the guise of a company that supplies “sanctioned goods”. At the same time, American companies are selecting schemes to "replace" "Siemens" in Russia. In fact, we are talking about an operation to free the Russian market from a German company that has been operating in our country for several decades, while replacing it with an American company. In particular, this point of view in an interview with Sputnik expressed political scientist Alexei Mukhin.

    This nonsense here is discussed in all seriousness. belay
  19. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 7 August 2017 19: 51
    0
    "And here, I am afraid, he (Siemens) will have to give in to American companies, which, without a twinge of conscience, occupy those places that Europeans are freeing under the influence of these very sanctions. And they are already cooperating with us .."
    To leave, not to leave, of course to decide "Seed". Yes, and to be honest, I personally do not care. No Canopy, there will be a General Ilektrick for example. They will not be, there will be a "Dong Fang" some thread. It is important to me that the engine works, the process goes. And to whom to pay money is not the point.
    Speaking of birds. And where exactly did these very turbines go. Who will tell me?
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 7 August 2017 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: Benzorez
      Speaking of birds. And where exactly did these very turbines go. Who will tell me?

      Well, they bought them urgently .. And someone passed! And it began .. The most important thing is that they work! And there you go all .. in the DPRK!
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 7 August 2017 20: 37
        +1
        No, I have the main idea, are they dual-use or civil? Moreover, they covered them in our city. I mean at the port. Yes, I somehow did not attach much importance to this event. And then you understand, a whole saga raced! Right world resonance! His mother! ..
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 7 August 2017 21: 08
          0
          Quote: Benzorez
          No, I have the main idea, are they dual-use or civil?

          Of course double ..! Crimea will be non-volatile ... Well, the military has its troubles there (which is not worth talking about ..))))
  20. l7yzo
    l7yzo 7 August 2017 21: 04
    +1
    I think the question is a little deeper. Probably many do not know - that everything is done according to German standards, metrics and measurements. Starting from the frequency in the sockets and voltage, ending with communication standards and just a meter, centimeter)))

    This is not just a change of suppliers - it is a change of concept as a whole. Now there will be an opportunity to take all the best that is already in the world and implement it with us. As the saying goes "Well with God"
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 7 August 2017 23: 02
      0
      strange, but I thought that the standard meter is in Paris in Sevres
  21. earloop
    earloop 7 August 2017 21: 55
    0
    Electricity currently provides the life of mankind!. The West does not realize that playing in sanctions, the West commit a crime against the possibility of people to live normally! And the task of any state is to ensure normal living conditions for its population. Therefore, the deliberate attempt on the part of the leadership of a foreign state to forcibly worsen the lives of people living in another state: is fascism! But fascism must be resolutely fought! At the same time, remember that along with sanctions, there are counter sanctions! Proceeding from this, the corresponding rigid "answer" should be immediately undertaken!
  22. 19001900
    19001900 7 August 2017 23: 02
    +1
    Well, suppose they sort things out with the turbines (they will pay a fine, they will leave Siemens Technology of Gas Turbines LLC, then they will be screwed back). And then what ???? in a couple of years, the railway bridge will be completed and passenger trains will run there with wheels knocking. And on them from the equipment and "Siemens" and "Knorr-Bremse" and a lot more if not at all "peregrine falcons" will not be allowed (that’s why sweat will blow your breath). And that these guys are ready to break off relations with JSC Russian Railways and all its many daughters and granddaughters ??? Despite the fact that they have been squeezing competitors by all means for so many years. Well good luck to them
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 8 August 2017 02: 10
      +2
      They won’t run anywhere - they will turn around, spin and ... calm down. Probably they themselves are not ards that raised the boom. Business is business - he does not like scream and scream.
  23. LeonidL
    LeonidL 8 August 2017 02: 08
    +2
    A holy place is never empty - especially lucrative ... and spit on them for sanctions. In general, I am very surprised - Soviet turbines were some of the best in the world! though the part was made in Kharkov.
  24. Topotun
    Topotun 8 August 2017 09: 17
    +1
    A holy place is never empty. It is strange that the Germans, complete pragmatists, shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of the "elder brother." However, this is their choice.
    1. l7yzo
      l7yzo 9 August 2017 06: 06
      0
      How can I say - either they will shoot themselves in the foot, or they have Big Brother in their heads) This is the general choice. After all, the Russian market is tiny compared to the US-controlled market. So you have to sacrifice less. But there is such a technology as “Rat King” or “Overton windows” - they always start with seemingly not very important things, but gradually you are already destroying everything important for yourself and vital interests and values ​​are changing.
  25. Aristide
    Aristide 8 August 2017 17: 49
    0
    Sorry for the Simpsons family. You need to be friends with your neighbors. Russia does not forget its friendly attitude, but does not forget its hostile attitude.