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Ban on Soviet means contempt for Russian

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The message that Russian athletes in Budapest were forced to take off their T-shirts with Soviet symbols seems at the same time completely normal and absolutely outrageous. How can Russia fight the demonization of our past? After all, the problem is not at all in communist symbols, but in relation to Russia as such.


Ban on Soviet means contempt for Russian


At the World Championships in water sports held in Budapest, a small "incident" occurred. Representatives of the coaching staff of the Russian water polo team were forced to take off their T-shirts with red five-pointed stars and the words “USSR”.

As one of the Russians said, at the entrance to the stadium, the police politely asked to remove T-shirts with the symbols of the USSR, explaining that they would not be allowed into the stadium in this form, and in the future they could be arrested and expelled from the country. The policemen apologized and explained their actions by the fact that Soviet symbols in the country were equated with fascist and prohibited by law, RIA "News».

Formally, there is nothing surprising in this message - the police only fulfilled the law adopted in Hungary as early as 1993 and prohibiting totalitarian symbols, which in Hungary include communist and Nazi symbols. Hungary is one of the seven European countries in which Soviet symbols are prohibited in one form or another - besides it there are three Baltic countries, Georgia, Ukraine and Poland. In principle, it would even be possible to reproach our athletes with provocations. Like, why are you wearing shirts with symbols forbidden in this country? Did not know? We had better prepare for the trip ...

But this, of course, is ridiculous. They do not come to another monastery with their charter, but here is another case. The USSR is not just an abbreviation, it is the former name of our state, the star with the hammer and sickle is our former state symbols. Respect for your stories - normal feature of any nation. And if the citizens of Russia are denied the right to demonstrate the symbols of their state, even if they were formerly, somewhere abroad, they are directly told to them - we do not respect, we despise your past. Well, even then Russia and its citizens have the right to relate accordingly to those who declare such to them.

Why do the Hungarians dislike us - and really dislike us?

Allegedly for the suppression of the “1956 uprising of the year” - when the Soviet army really crushed a rebellion against local communist government with military force. But then civil war broke out in Hungary. And it is not surprising that the USSR, in the military-political bloc with which Hungary was part, supported the Communists, who were tried to be removed from power by force. Fights between Hungarians and Russians on the streets of Budapest? Well, for 11 years before that, Hungary was an ally of Germany in the war with Russia, and its army fought on our territory - we still do not reproach the Hungarians at every opportunity.

Two nations can have normal relations, and the two countries have a lot in common. And the last years, when Hungary courageously defended its national identity and sovereignty under pressure from the European Union, including protecting its right to good relations with Moscow. So there is no Russophobia among the Hungarians. And what is there? There is a policy of equalizing communism and nazism, equalizing the USSR and fascist Germany, equalizing a red star and a swastika.

The fact that neither communism nor the USSR is internationally condemned and not placed on par with Nazism is not a decree for Eastern Europeans. They refer to their own bitter personal experience, the Hungarians to the 1956 year and the fact that communism was imposed on them from the outside. Although, to put it mildly, this is an exaggeration - even in 1919, the Hungarian communists took power in the country, but then they were defeated, and some of them moved to the USSR. There is nothing surprising in the fact that in 1945, when the Soviet army took Budapest, they returned and came to power: yes, with the help of Moscow, but also having support among their people.

One can blame the then Hungarian leadership for betraying national interests, for internationalism and cosmopolitanism, for humiliating the Hungarian national consciousness (and this was), but this is part of the Hungarian history, it was done by Hungarian citizens, not by Soviet advisers. Well, we have also banned our communist symbolism, the Hungarians will object to us.

In 1993, Hungary was one of the first to adopt a law banning totalitarian symbols - before it, in 1991, only Latvia managed to do this, in which, however, it was not so universal. The example of Hungary in Eastern Europe was followed only by Poland. And in the post-Soviet space, the second wave went only 10 years ago: Estonia - in 2007, Lithuania - in 2008, Georgia - in 2011, Moldova - in 2012. In Chisinau, however, a year later, the law was declared unconstitutional and was repealed - and in the same year 2013, the Hungarian law was declared inconsistent with the constitution. It was suspended - but it was resumed a couple of months later, with clarifications. So, the penalty is applied to those who use the "symbols of totalitarianism" to violate civil peace or demonstrate them in public, in mass meetings.

Well, the last country where such a law was passed was in Ukraine in 2015. The purpose of the ban on the symbolism of the "criminal communist regime" is understandable - to drive people into the head about the nonsense that Ukraine was occupied by the Soviet, that is, Russian power. Anti-communism here is needed only to cover Russophobia - as, indeed, in most other cases, the application of such legislation.

What to do with this Russia? The Budapest incident, of course, fades against the background of the recent Polish law on the demolition of monuments of the communist era, which also includes part of the monuments to Soviet soldiers, or the fight against Soviet symbols in Ukraine. But the difference between motives and domestic political goals (for the Hungarian authorities, Russophobia is not at all relevant) does not negate the fact that all this is a challenge for our country.

We understand that today they prohibit the red star, and then declare a two-headed eagle with crowns, a scepter and a power to be a totalitarian. Say, he is in our association with the damned imperialistic past, at times, when Russia enslaved and oppressed us. By the way, the fact that the double-headed eagle is not yet banned in some neighboring “anti-totalitarian” states is explained very simply by the fact that it again became the emblem of Russia. And so would not have regretted it. It is strange that even on t-shirts with Putin they are not trying to recoup - but still ahead.

We should not make excuses for our Soviet past to our neighbors - there were many things in our relations both during and before the Soviet period, in which we can blame them, and they - us. An attempt to make communism a purely Russian phenomenon, to declare Russia its exporter, and then equate it to Nazism is in fact Russophobic. That is unfair in relation not only to the communist ideology, but also to our country. And if in Poland or Hungary, Latvia or Georgia they think that the USSR is forever in the past, then they are deeply mistaken. He stayed in us - not specifically living people, but in the Russian civilization, in the modern Russian people.

Of course, every sovereign state has the right to prohibit the red star and the red flag. But only then let there not be surprised that the Russians (and regardless of their political views) will perceive it as disrespect for their state. With all the ensuing consequences.
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  1. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 August 2017 06: 26
    +19
    The ban on the Soviet means a severe long-standing genetic hatred of Russia, which only now has the opportunity to express itself. You must understand that this will never pass and never flatter yourself. Punish in any way possible.
    How many wolves do not feed .... you can’t wash the black male .....
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 11 August 2017 18: 55
      +13
      Hungary during the Second World War was a fascist state, an aggressor in relation to the USSR — the roots of the "dislike" of Soviet, Russian origin from here.
      And in 1956, in Hungary, the fascist Hungarian infirmities raised their heads, who were correctly pacified by our troops.
      In relation to the above countries that have applied anti-Soviet, anti-Russian policies, measures of political and economic influence are needed, otherwise their "experience" in the fight against Russia will be applied in other countries.
      And the most important thing in Russia itself is not to pursue a policy of desovietization, the struggle against the communist past, and not to set this bad example to others.
      1. albert
        albert 11 August 2017 21: 02
        +8
        True, the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.
      2. your1970
        your1970 1 September 2017 09: 35
        +5
        B.A. Lavrenev "The Great Land"1934 year (83 years have passed and the Bolsheviks have long been gone - but the words have not changed)
        “In America, everything was going downhill. Currency flew, banks burst and popped, enterprises went bankrupt that seemed impossible to be blown up by the explosion of the whole stock of dynamite that existed in the world. Some inexplicable force with an unexplained name“ crisis ”brought down the most large reputations and the most powerful capitals, like baby pins. From the newspapers, Pete knew that this terrible power was raging and mischievous throughout the world. Newspapers wrote that the Russian Bolsheviks were to blame for all this incomprehensible carousel of troubles.
        Pete couldn't understand that. He knew from school lessons that Russia was a secondary, almost wild country, which after the war and revolution had finally turned into a destroyed desert, completely dismissed from the great politics of the world. True, the left-wing newspapers wrote that Russia was beginning to recover, that it had a well-armed and large army called the “red”, that factories and plants were reviving in it, and even, according to the plan of the Russian government, the Bolsheviks hoped to “catch up and overtake” in one decade America It was so funny that humorous magazines lived for a long time caricatures and witticisms about Russia, catching up with America. "
  2. svp67
    svp67 11 August 2017 06: 30
    +17
    Why do the Hungarians dislike us - and really dislike us?
    Allegedly for the suppression of the "1956 uprising" - when the Soviet army really suppressed the rebellion against the local communist government by military force.

    I can say one thing that you should not reach such insanities, especially in historical aspects.
    Russia, however, may recall the very unworthy role of the Hungarians, both in our revolution and in World War II.
    But we can raise the question of RECOGNITING the state symbols of countries that supported the actions of the Axis countries in WWII as FORBIDDEN on our territory
    1. Michael_Zverev
      Michael_Zverev 11 August 2017 12: 55
      +10
      And to include in their number the coats of arms and flags of the self-proclaimed "states" located on our territory, so that they give five years for a Bandera plug or flag of some Estonia, and automatically serve as terrorists for anyone serving in their "armies" and other power structures.
  3. Moore
    Moore 11 August 2017 07: 03
    +11
    Well, 11 years before that, Hungary was an ally of Germany in the war with Russia, and its army fought on our territory - we still do not reproach the Hungarians with this at every opportunity.

    That is why they are becoming impudent that we do not reproach. And in the villages where the Hungarians stood, they still scare children.
  4. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 11 August 2017 07: 17
    +3
    Maybe, for example, to play the Russian Anthem at the World Cup every match, citing the fact that symbols (any) of other countries are prohibited in the country?
  5. Flinky
    Flinky 11 August 2017 07: 23
    +21
    Than to consider working goups - isn’t it better to turn on yourself, godfather?

    Disrespect for the USSR is greatly facilitated by our own disrespect for it, starting from the state level. Just take and cross out seventy-odd years of your own history, as if it never existed - not only everyone is capable of it. In this regard, ahead of the rest of the planet, of course, are banderlogs, balts and rodents. And we are in fourth place of honor.
    And so we need, to be honest. We deserve this with our disregard for the USSR. There is no excuse for this.
    And while statesmen, starting with the President, and every single ordinary man in the street, will not cease to be ashamed of Soviet history, the situation will not change. This question has already matured and overripe, and no matter how it was necessary to wash off this mistake with blood, if we continue to pull it.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 11 August 2017 07: 28
      +5
      I think they are not ashamed of the word "completely" (nothing at all), probably, simply different goals, well, like to make friends with someone or not to quarrel. Or some funds invested ....... ????????
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 11 August 2017 07: 31
        +14
        You can be a sensible person and think about the beauty of nails.
        Look at any mattress politician. Yes, for the most part they look half-crazy and carry rare ravings. But this is from our point of view. One cannot be taken away from them - they are real patriots of their country, and are really ready to bomb someone for its interests.
        Excuse me? Many, like shit in an ice hole, hang out, still can’t decide what their homeland is for, where it’s good, or where its roots are? Why so?
    2. baudolino
      baudolino 11 August 2017 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: Flinky
      And while statesmen, starting with the President, and every single ordinary man in the street, will not stop being ashamed of Soviet history, the situation will not change

      And why should they be holier than the Pope, even if the Communists turned into well-fed bourgeois, whose entire activity in support of the Soviet legacy comes down to comments on the Internet.
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 11 August 2017 11: 43
        +1
        I hear the baby, "and what are they?" It's a boy, but not a husband.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 11 August 2017 07: 36
    +14
    Well, 11 years before that, Hungary was an ally of Germany in the war with Russia, and its army fought on our territory - we still do not reproach the Hungarians with this at every opportunity.
    .... For the fact that all of Europe, headed by Hitler, went to the USSR to fight, we now need to understand and forgive, and not remember, but for the red flag with a star, a sickle and a hammer over the Nazi Reichstag, we should be shy, drooling, they say sorry guys, it happened .. An enemy or a partner, according to modern standards, you have to beat him with your own weapon more often with your face in his own shit ... uhhhh guano poke ....
    1. Klim podkova
      Klim podkova 11 August 2017 07: 49
      +10
      The West will never forgive us 9 May.
  7. corporal
    corporal 11 August 2017 08: 00
    +9
    The police apologized and explained their actions by the fact that Soviet symbols in the country are equated with fascist symbols and are prohibited by law

    request Local laws must be observed. Or not go where the laws seem stupid.
    They don’t come to a foreign monastery with their charter

    Well, the author has a glimpse of the mind ...
    but no, disappeared again
    but here is another case

    There is no other case! Dura lex, sed lex.
    a star with a hammer and sickle are our former state symbols

    The key word is former.
    And if the citizens of Russia are denied the right to demonstrate the symbols of their state, albeit former, somewhere abroad

    That is the problem of the Russians and the host country in no way. yes
    You just need to respect local laws and customs, and not make an insult.
    In general, the author has a strange logic.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 11 August 2017 09: 02
      +17
      Quote: Corporal
      this is a problem for Russians and the host country

      If this is a problem for the Russians, then it is not a problem for the Russians. Russians are those who themselves do not respect their past. I can’t watch the May 9 parades. And I can’t, until the mausoleum, at the foot of which the standards of Nazi Germany were thrown, is draped with rags.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 11 August 2017 18: 17
        +5
        Well, do you really not understand that contrary to the Soviet past ----- this is just a desire to impose a guilty complex. When, after the victory over fascism, the USSR helped the countries of eastern Europe, nobody cared about either repression or the overthrow of the monarchy in the USSR. And after all, then, after the Second World War, the USSR was also fed by the communist parties of these countries, as, indeed, of all others. But you forgot that the recharge ended with the destruction of the USSR, and that nomenclature ----- remained !!!!!!!
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 12 August 2017 01: 09
      0
      Quote: Corporal
      You just need to respect local laws and customs, and not make an insult.

      This is where it says that something needs to be respected somewhere?
      1. corporal
        corporal 12 August 2017 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        This is where it says that something needs to be respected somewhere?

        Probably in the same place as about mandatory fastening of the fly after visiting the toilet.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 August 2017 12: 49
          0
          Quote: Corporal
          Probably in the same place as about mandatory fastening of the fly after visiting the toilet.

          Generally not a mandatory thing. Realize this thing most people in clothes do not have such an element as a fly.
          Respect must be earned, but how can you respect a person who compares his honor with his fly?
  8. avia12005
    avia12005 11 August 2017 08: 46
    +11
    We must have a nap on these prohibitions, and sneezes should be weighty and heavy.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 12 August 2017 02: 25
      +4
      Stupid and dishonest - we need to work to ensure that our countries never and never find themselves on opposite sides of the front. This is the main goal. And such vulgar and ridiculous pictures only harm. I am sure that this is a matter of a couch strategist and an armchair commando who has never heard a whistle of bullets near an ear in his cheap life that did not lie in hospitals. Do not be fooled by foolish provocateurs.
  9. Catherine II
    Catherine II 11 August 2017 08: 58
    +5
    In the Russian Federation they cannot come to a consensus, but they want all opinions in the Russian Federation to be tolerant in Hungary (and others) .. any border means a charter and they don’t go there with their own rules.
    First you need to decide for yourself completely ... and it will be like with monuments - houses are defiled, silence ... in Poland - so immediately start up combat sofas and warm up the keyboards ...
    And there is no unity on our own history in the Russian Federation! There is no consensus on who is in the woods who is for firewood.
    On my own, one can respect the rules of others, but this is not a reason to refuse at home to pay all respects to their history and not to do them this PR action.
  10. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 11 August 2017 09: 05
    +20
    The article is a minus, due to the fact that the author is at odds with logic. And with logic, the construction of the material, because at first the author loudly declares that
    the problem is not in communist symbols, but in relation to Russia as such.
    and then acknowledges that
    Hungary courageously .... defends including its right to good relations with Moscow. So there is no Russophobia among the Hungarians.
    . That is, the author of the article admits that a negative attitude towards the communist regime does not mean Russophobia, but in the heading of the article stubbornly states that the Soviet ban is a negative attitude towards Russians.
    In general, the USSR and Russia are different states, as different as, for example, the GDR and Kaiser Germany, and Russia has never been an "exporter" of communism. So the negative attitude towards the USSR does not apply to Russia. And in Russian, by the way, too. As a matter of duty, I had occasion to communicate with young people, including those who traveled to European countries or studied in semester exchange programs, and I can say that Russians are perceived there not as “red” or “communists” or “Soviet”, namely Russian. And they take it quite warmly and friendly.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 11 August 2017 09: 12
      +4
      Are you against the USSR?
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 11 August 2017 10: 14
      +5
      Count, do not confuse the policies of the government and the people. The government has one opinion, the people have a different opinion, sometimes absolutely the opposite.
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 11 August 2017 17: 38
      -1
      Russia and the USSR are different countries ???
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 10: 51
        0
        Quote: Seeker
        Russia and the USSR are different countries ???

        And what are the same? neither territorially, nor state symbolically, nor ideologically, and for many other things, the USSR and Russia are not the same and not the same thing.
  11. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 11 August 2017 09: 12
    +7
    In Budapest, one must wear T-shirts with photos of the cemetery of Hungarian soldiers buried in Russian soil. With an indication of the number of how many Hungarians came to the USSR and how many remained forever in the USSR, for permanent residence.
  12. captain
    captain 11 August 2017 09: 13
    +7
    Dear author, your phrase: “... Respect for one’s history is a normal feature of any nation. And if Russian citizens are denied the right to show the symbols of their state, even if they were former, somewhere abroad, they directly tell them that we don’t respect , we despise your past. Well, even then Russia and its citizens have the right to relate accordingly to those who declare this to them. ", I am surprised. Seventy years in the USSR destroyed respect for Russian history and the Russian people. For seventy years they modestly kept silent about the exploits of the Latvian riflemen, the Estonian, Ukrainian SS divisions. They wrote only about the Russian Socialist-Revolutionaries and Vlasovites, and of course about the Cossacks. And they presented it with an amazing sense of gloating. Nobody knew in our country that it was the Ukrainian nationalists who burned the Belarusian Khatyn. In our films, the Latvian arrows were fighters for the happiness of the working people, no one wrote that they returned to their homeland with money and for some reason did not arrange Soviet power. And there are many other points of interest about which we modestly kept silent all these years. Why did the communists forget about the glorious exploits of our ancestors and the symbolism of tsarist Russia was prohibited? After all, this is our centuries-old history? Or is it all that was before 1917 for you and your kind like garbage and dirt? The article is worthless; you cannot represent Russia with the symbols of the USSR at the official level. This is disrespect for Russia by members of the Russian national team. It was a spit in the face of our country.
    1. creak
      creak 11 August 2017 10: 10
      +9
      Quote: captain
      The article is worthless,

      I support, besides beaten cliches and idle talk, there is nothing in it. The reason for the protest would be if the members of the delegation were forced to remove the official symbols of the Russian Federation - but this did not happen and naturally could not happen, then what is this crying of Yaroslavna about? What does Russophobia have to do with it? The Russian team officially represents its country - the Russian Federation, not the USSR, and is obliged to demonstrate its official symbolism, and not be guided by its phantom pains about the USSR, regardless of its attitude ... It is a pity that those who are responsible for preparing the team do not understand such elementary things.. The author is very reminiscent of Poklonskaya with her hysteria about Nicholas II and Matilda and "insulting the feelings of believers" ...
    2. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: captain
      After all, this is our centuries-old history? Or all that was before 1917 for you personally and people like you rubbish and dirt? The article is worthless; you cannot represent Russia with the symbols of the USSR at the official level. This is disrespect for Russia by members of the Russian national team. It was a spit in the face of our country.

      I’ll hint to you, but ardent fans of the USSR from this forum with red flags are only engaged in indicating that everything that was before 1917 in Russia is garbage and dirt ... The author is like them.
  13. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 11 August 2017 09: 38
    +4
    Quote: captain
    This is disrespect for Russia by members of the Russian national team. It was a spit in the face of our country.

    Those officials who must by all means uphold the prestige of Russia simply wipe their pants and eat up government money.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 10: 56
      0
      Ha, and where does the prestige of Russia and symbols that are not state in the Russian Federation?
  14. Curious
    Curious 11 August 2017 09: 54
    +9
    I want to ask the author a direct question. What symbols of Russia and the Russian Empire are prohibited in Hungary? The answer can be only one - none.
    The USSR is a special page in the history of all FIFTEEN republics included in it. And the history of the USSR is part of the history of not only Russia, but also the other fourteen republics. The attitude to this part of its history in the former republics of the USSR is a topic for a separate discussion. Attitude to the HISTORY of the USSR in other countries is also a separate issue. I emphasize once again - the USSR - the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. It included the RSFSR.
    Therefore, the author - do not pull the owl on the globe and do not interpret the story as it suits you. She was already perverted already, nowhere else to go. Wear a T-shirt with the emblem of Russia and go to Budapest to the sounds of the Anthem of Russia with the State Flag of Russia in your hands. If you do not disturb public order - no one will say a word to you.
  15. baudolino
    baudolino 11 August 2017 09: 58
    +2
    What is the article about? Where is the answer to these questions, how should Russia respond? Why just write?
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  17. RUSS
    RUSS 11 August 2017 10: 51
    +9
    Question to the athletes, why Russian athletes representing Russia, are not Russian paraphernalia, but Soviet?
  18. apro
    apro 11 August 2017 11: 38
    +10
    Russia itself has abandoned its Soviet past, and now what should be blamed for not respecting others? Soviet symbols are replaced by various substitutes, St. George ribbons, altered hymns, and the replacement of military banners.
  19. Weyland
    Weyland 11 August 2017 12: 03
    +10
    "Hungary was an ally of Germany in the war with Russia, and its army fought on our territory - we do not reproach the Hungarians with this until now at every opportunity."

    - But in vain! We didn’t put them near Voronezh - it was necessary “to balance the account” and in Hungary itself it would be pretty to add! am
  20. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 15: 41
    +4
    Quote: apro
    Russia itself has abandoned its Soviet past, and now what should be blamed for not respecting others?

    But Russia did not have its own Soviet past, because officially in the USSR it was the most robbed and powerless republic, and Russians were officially declared lower-class people in the USSR.
    Lenin, Stalin, and so on, have repeatedly spoken about this.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 1 September 2017 14: 26
      +1
      But you believe in what you write ...
  21. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 15: 58
    +3
    Quote: Weyland
    - But in vain! We didn’t put them near Voronezh - it was necessary “to balance the account” and in Hungary itself it would be pretty to add!

    Thank you for this feat, dear WWII veteran!
    It is so nice that you find the strength to visit our forum, we are waiting for stories about the destruction of Hungarians near Voronezh.
  22. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 16: 13
    +3
    Quote: den-protector
    you can read M. Sholokhov "Quiet Don"

    I am a Bolshevik, Cossacks, Gussian like you, my name is Joseph Davidovich Shtokman wassat
  23. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 11 August 2017 16: 48
    +9
    From the song of M. Blanter and M. Isakovsky “Enemies burned their own hut ...”
    "... And a medal for the city of Budapest shone on his chest ..."

    1. Of course, the ban on Soviet symbols in Hungary and the request for Russian athletes to remove it has nothing to do with modern Russia. It is the Hungarians who are so afraid of communism. In Russia, they are no less afraid of him; this is why the Hungarian anti-communists are no different from all the other anti-communists.

    2. Budapest in 1945 was not released, but taken, like Berlin, and the medal was called "Medal for the capture of Budapest." In total, from June 27, 1941 to June 1945, 526 military personnel were captured and equated with them - Hungarian citizens, that is, Khortist Hungary was fascist, and their ideas were revived again. Therefore, it is not surprising that Soviet symbolism was banned there.

    3. But for our athletes ... "Respect and Respect" !!!
  24. Looking for
    Looking for 11 August 2017 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: captain
    Why did the communists forget about the glorious exploits of our ancestors and the symbolism of tsarist Russia was banned?

    Give examples. Only please on the scale of the entire USSR
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Seeker
      Give examples. Only please on the scale of the entire USSR

      The Tsar and the royal family, as the main symbol of Tsarist Russia at that moment)
  25. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 17: 51
    +2
    Quote: Seeker
    Only please, throughout the USSR

    For this they put to the wall or in the camp.
    full St. George cavaliers generally shot just for that.
    Enemies of the International.
    1. igoryok1984
      igoryok1984 11 August 2017 18: 31
      +11
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      full St. George cavaliers generally shot just for that.
      Especially Budyonny.

      Or they must have been shot too
    2. reservist
      reservist 11 August 2017 18: 35
      +7
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      full St. George cavaliers generally shot just for that.

      probably not "for it" ...
  26. Looking for
    Looking for 11 August 2017 17: 53
    +6
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Quote: apro
    Russia itself has abandoned its Soviet past, and now what should be blamed for not respecting others?

    But Russia did not have its own Soviet past, because officially in the USSR it was the most robbed and powerless republic, and Russians were officially declared lower-class people in the USSR.
    Lenin, Stalin, and so on, have repeatedly spoken about this.

    Enough tryndet, Russophobe. Give sources where Lenin and Stalin "wrote" about it
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    2. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 11: 23
      0
      https://topwar.ru/10023-lenin-vi-v-otnoshenii-rus
      skih-strelyat-i-veshat.html
      http://crazybrunetka.livejournal.com/6307.html

      Such heaps.
  27. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 11 August 2017 18: 41
    +5
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    For this they put to the wall or in the camp.
    full St. George cavaliers generally shot just for that.


    I understand that the language is boneless, but stop talking nonsense already. Better look at the photo on the links
    http://mikle1.livejournal.com/3255557.html
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/900029.html

    But they do not beat the wolf that he is gray, but because he ate the sheep. Perhaps someone was shot, but only those who fought with arms in arms against the Soviet regime could be among them.
  28. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 18: 56
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Green
    who fought in arms against the Soviet government.

    Against the power of Trotsky and Blumkin? Ulyanov-Blanca and Zalkind?
    received four marks for FAITH. The Tsar and the Fatherland are a potential enemy of the power of all these gentlemen.
    Therefore, they destroyed such people.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 11 August 2017 19: 29
      +4
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Against the power of Trotsky and Blumkin? Ulyanov-Blanca and Zalkind?
      received four marks for FAITH. The Tsar and the Fatherland are a potential enemy of the power of all these gentlemen.

      And let's do it differently. Tell me what they fought for.
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        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 11 August 2017 22: 01
          +3
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          St. George cavaliers fought primarily for their homeland, for their faith and their Russian Tsar

          A moot point. At that time, only the lazy did not scoff at the king.
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          The Reds fought for the world revolution, actually.

          Yes, that was at first. And they were completely opposed by world imperialism. (In, damn it, scribbled)
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Why was he killed? Do you, Mordvin, approve of his death?

          I do not know who it is. Safronov. Well, I don’t know, that's all.
  29. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: reservist
    probably not "for it" ...

    in the 18th year he fought against Krasnov, and then they still imprisoned him. Cossacks in this regard did not have mercy.
    Just lucky, survived, when the masses are killed, always someone survives.
  30. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 19: 00
    +2
    Quote: igoryok1984
    Especially Budyonny.

    But Budyonny did not have a full bow. he wore stolen.
    Officially, this "skin" was only two George soldier EU-no.
    And Chapaev was not a complete gentleman.
    those below were hiding.
    In the USSR, many people have been hiding for a long time or their whole lives. Met such.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 19: 24
      +2
      At the end of the 17th year, more than 30 St. George Crosses of the 1st degree were issued; in the late 40s, it was known that there were several dozen full St. George cavaliers in the USSR, among the party elite-0.
      where the rest went, it’s easy to guess.
  31. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 11 August 2017 19: 36
    +7
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    "... to protect the Russian foreigners from the invasion of that truly Russian man, Great Russian, chauvinist, in fact, a scoundrel and a rapist"

    Do not be surprised, all that is written above is the usual method of an unscrupulous interlocutor. He pulled out a quote from the context, distorted its meaning and gives it out as Leninist thoughts.

    Our "distortionist"
    "... to protect the Russian foreigners from the invasion of that truly Russian man, Great Russian, chauvinist, in fact, a scoundrel and a rapist"

    And then for some reason did not continue, and then V.I. Lenin clarifies who he means. That's what he wrote with Lenin.

    “Under such conditions, it is very natural that the“ freedom to leave the union ”, with which we justify ourselves, will turn out to be an empty piece of paper, incapable ofprotect Russian foreigners from the invasion of that truly Russian man, the Great Russian chauvinist, in fact, a scoundrel and a rapistwhat a typical Russian bureaucrat is. ”

    Everything else our “distortionist” invented himself.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 19: 40
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Green
      “Under such conditions, it is very natural that the“ freedom to leave the union ”, which we justify ourselves, will turn out to be an empty piece of paper, unable to protect Russian foreigners from the invasion of that truly Russian man, a Great Russian chauvinist, in essence, a scoundrel and a rapist, which is a typical Russian bureaucrat".

      This is generally anti-Russian Nazism. Where to go? What a union, whom with whom.
      I would have thought the author is Goebbels or Rosenberg.
      So even the German Nazis did not insult Russians, Russian people in a crowd called scoundrels and rapists. And still make it a hallmark of ALL Russians.
      Ulyanov-Blanc had not a drop of Russian blood in his veins, but hatred of the Russians was, like his Nazi accomplices.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 11 August 2017 20: 02
        +5
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        So even the German Nazis did not insult Russian, Russian people in an crowd called scoundrels and rapists

        Of course not. They just wanted to destroy the Slavs.
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        Ulyanov-Blanc had not a drop of Russian blood in his veins,

        Right? A. Can you find a drop of blood?
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 21: 05
          +1
          And comrades Ulyanov, Sverdlov, Bronstein were engaged in the destruction of Russian quite successfully before any Nazis.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Right? A. Can you find a drop of blood?
          What is not, is not.
          Ravze Mordecai Blanca can be found. hi
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 11 August 2017 21: 28
            +5
            Quote: Koshnitsa
            And comrades Ulyanov, Sverdlov, Bronstein were engaged in the destruction of Russian quite successfully before any Nazis.

            Right, after all - Russians?
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 21: 33
              0
              First of all, of course, Russians. Or do you think Bronstein and Yankel Sverdlov destroyed their fellow tribesmen?
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        2. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 11: 26
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Right? A. Can you find a drop of blood?

          He has not a drop in Russian.
  32. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 11 August 2017 19: 40
    +6
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Destroying the Russians is the most important goal.
    In one of the letters, Marx also writes this:
    "In the war with Russia ... the motives of people shooting at Russians are completely indifferent, whether the motives ... are black, red, gold or revolutionary."


    As you freely quote the classics, we already know. Therefore, if you want to be respected, write down quotes in full and give links, and this is just an ordinary bullying ..
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 19: 46
      +1
      Search and find, Alexander Green.
      Lenin and his gang officially fought against great-power Russian chauvinism, that is, against Russian patriotism.
      They took away the land, and you thought how the Donbass came to be from the Khokhlyatins, or South Siberia from the Kazakh Natsiks, destroyed the Russian people and also insulted the great Russian nation, which is the best in the world, as everyone knows.
      So what to do with you now?
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        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 20: 09
          +1
          to be defeated. To beat the enemy - (Burns). And neither the Mongols, nor the biggrin Turks, nor the Swedes beat us (this is nonsense), and WE beat them. So, we were a strong opponent, and they are weak and they had to catch up with us .... biggrin Psomotrite-WHAT created the "battered" Russian people with the "battered" rulers, the biggest power in the world. Probably it happens from losing, huh? biggrin

          Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/72183-razoblachaem-s
          talin-etogo-ne-govoril.html
          Politikus.ru
    2. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 21: 13
      +2
      Read the whole last volume of Engels, even Stalin farted about Fritz's German nationalism, there are constant calls for the extermination of the Slavs and Russia, a demand for the Kaiser to start a war.
  33. Normal ok
    Normal ok 11 August 2017 21: 58
    +3
    "The USSR is not just an abbreviation, it is the former name of our state, a star with a hammer and sickle - these are our former state symbols"
    Following your logic, if Polish athletes, for example, come to Russia in T-shirts with the symbols of Polish troops fighting for Napoleon against Russia, will this be normal?
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 11 August 2017 22: 01
      0
      Fortunately for them, they coincide, and the USSR, begging for loans and weapons from the damned American imperialists in the 42nd year, was ready to return the tricolor.
      If you want to live, you’ll not be so heated.
  34. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 11 August 2017 22: 35
    +9
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    The Directive on the rolling out of January 29, 1919 "Circular. Secret."

    And what's wrong with her? Any power has the right to defend itself, the threat of Soviet power from the rich Cossacks was great.
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  36. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 12 August 2017 00: 56
    +9
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Alexander Green, are you a Nazi?

    If we are talking about talking, then you should probably know that the first was the large-scale punitive operation to “rasskachivaniyu” ataman Krasnov, he led it against the advanced red part of the Cossacks, against those who, having returned from the front to the Don, welcomed the popular revolution, took direct or indirect part in the defeat of the Kaledin rebellion, in the establishment of Soviet power on the Don. Gathered in early May 1918 in Novocherkassk, the so-called "Circle of Salvation of the Don" took the decree on the "dying" of the Red Cossacks.
    About it genocide in the Cossack environment supporters of the White Cossacks have been keeping deathly silence for almost 90 years, they pretend that these black pages in the history of the Cossacks did not exist. It was: 29 people underwent white slandering (the data was published by Krasnov himself in his newspapers).
    And when, by the beginning of 1919, the Red Army occupied most of the Don Army area. And what did she see? The traces of the wild atrocities that the Cossack tops and fist repaired over labor Cossacks, especially workers and nonresidents, over 30 adherents of Soviet power were shot by the Krasnoyarsk people, more than 000 people were imprisoned, and together with convicts this number reached 7000.
    Under the influence of messages from places, including from the Don Bureau of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.), On January 24, 1919, a circular letter was sent containing a directive on the repression to all Cossacks who took an active part in the struggle against Soviet power. But the arrests, evictions, executions were not as large as they are now being presented, usually exaggerated 10 to 100 times. Usually, 7-10 people from the farm fell into the "expense". It couldn’t be otherwise, because all the counters left for Donets.
    How can we talk about genocide if almost all the objects were absent, if almost a third of the region of the Don Army was under white? But there were the largest centers of the Cossacks Rostov and Novocherkassk. Moreover, the Directive was valid for only two months, the plenum of the Central Committee annulled it.
  37. LeonidL
    LeonidL 12 August 2017 02: 21
    +10
    Fear! To this day, these adolescent slaves of Adolf Hitler tremble with fear and hatred. Therefore, they all have the same paralyzing fear of both Russia and the USSR.
  38. igoryok1984
    igoryok1984 12 August 2017 15: 35
    +6
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    But Budyonny did not have a full bow. he wore stolen.
    Officially, this "skin" was only two George soldier EU-no.
    And Chapaev was not a complete gentleman.
    those below were hiding.
    In the USSR, many people have been hiding for a long time or their whole lives. Met such.

    Where is this crap dumb? Budyonny had FIVE
    This, damn it, what do you think, Soviet Photoshop ??
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 15 August 2017 10: 16
      +1
      Great photo!
      Only this is not Budyonny. laughing
      And so all is well.
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 11: 28
        0
        And he tried so hard .. laughing
  39. uskrabut
    uskrabut 16 August 2017 16: 53
    +1
    "The police apologized and explained their actions by the fact that Soviet symbols in the country are equated with fascist symbols and are prohibited by law."
    The answer must be immediately and symmetrically - declare the Hungarian state symbols equated to Nazi with all the ensuing consequences ... and put a couple of Hungarians for wearing such symbols (passports with the Hungarian coat of arms), and we have for this reason - Hungary was an ally of fascist Germany . Nothing to do with almonds.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 6 September 2017 06: 44
      +1
      Are you sick on your head or is it a hangover?
  40. kalibr
    kalibr 6 September 2017 06: 44
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    But to our athletes ...

    They are not yours ...
  41. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 8 September 2017 10: 38
    +1
    After all, the problem is not at all in communist symbols, but in relation to Russia as such.

    In general, yes, but the Soviet period is only 1 period from the history of Russia, it is foolish to associate the whole country with only one of the periods of its existence. Let us treat the present Mongols as those who once created a huge empire ... Or the modern Egyptians as residents of other Egypt and builders of the pyramids ..
  42. Perseus
    Perseus 4 November 2017 06: 27
    0
    Well, according to the author, the Germans are free to wear a swastika, and ziguyu, well, this is the story of their state, and so cool that the Germans can not?
  43. didra
    didra 8 January 2018 02: 49
    +1
    Russia and the USSR are different states. Although on the same land. The USSR is not a Russian state.
    1. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 10 February 2018 18: 57
      0
      Very accurate expression, grateful ... wink
  44. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 10 February 2018 18: 55
    0
    From the article:
    ... only then let there not be surprised that the Russians (and regardless of their political views) will perceive it as disrespect for their state. With all the ensuing consequences.

    Completely disagree with this thesis. You can not combine the concept of "Soviet" with the concept of "Russian". This is a cunning move by the Communists. Soviet means political system. Russian is a nation with its individuality, with its rich history, culture and heritage of this culture. The concept of "Soviet" includes a very narrow historical segment, not at all comparable with the history of Russia and beyond Russia. To cling to someone else's story is the author’s desire in this statement, for the history of the Soviet system is not always beautiful. By the way, everything Soviet was negative about the Russian. Examples - read the history of the last century.
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 3 March 2018 16: 31
      0
      So can argue either du cancer, or a scoundrel and a traitor.
  45. Old warrior
    Old warrior 3 March 2018 16: 30
    0
    "Hungary is one of the seven countries in Europe in which Soviet symbols are prohibited in one form or another - besides it there are three Baltic countries, Georgia, Ukraine and Poland." Needless to say - a "worthy" Russophobian company. Project 56 or, nevertheless, change their minds?