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Walther PPK-L: DURAL light alloy gun

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Walther PP and Walther PPK are German self-loading pistols, created by specialists of the company "Walter", were one of the first mass pistols that received a double-action firing mechanism. PP in the name of this model of the famous pistol meant Polizeipistole - a police pistol. The Walther PP version was released already in 1929, and the Walther RRB version was released in 1931.


The Walther PPK model was a lightweight and shortened version of the Walther PP, with the PPK being decoded as the Polizeipistole Kriminal - the gun of the criminal police. Smaller dimensions pistols allowed to wear it covertly. In this case, the gun is not just changed in size, the model received a number of original features in the design. So, the barrel length was reduced by 15 mm, the overall length was reduced by 16 mm, and the height of the gun by 10 mm. In accordance with this, the constructors of the Walter company slightly changed the design of the frame, as well as the shutter-casing, which received a different shape of the front part. This model was very actively used by the German police, however, after the end of the Second World War the pistol was not produced for some time, but already at the beginning of the 1950-s it was again started to be produced at factories in Germany and France.

Despite his designation, the first to receive this police pistol were not members of the criminal police, but members of various party organizations of the Nazi Party, but after a few years he reached the police units, as well as the Wehrmacht. In the Third Reich, this gun was actively acquired by officers in private. At the same time, its production was suspended in the 1944 year, it happened because of the complication of the military situation, Hitler's Germany was close to collapse.


Since the start of production of Polizeipistole Kriminal modell in the city of Zella-Melis, in the land of Thuringia, more than 80 years have passed. For almost a century of production and operation in various countries of the world, this gun is still not outdated, weapon still popular in the civilian market, firmly associated in the minds of people with the very concept of "compact pistol". Since 2002, the American company Smith & Wesson has launched the production of PPK and PPK / S models under license. Nowadays, the Walther PPK pistol is produced in two main versions: PPK and PPK / S chambered for 9x17 mm, as well as in small-bore version - PPK / S .22 chambered for 5,6 mm .22 Long Rifle cartridge.

It is worth noting that the Walther PPK pistol is great for shooting using a silencer, which is achieved thanks to the cartridge with a subsonic initial speed of a bullet. At the same time, models with an elongated barrel and threads on the muzzle for a silencer installation are not mass-produced, but in the USA this is not a problem, since a large number of weapon workshops are able to install such a barrel instead of the standard one for a small fee. It is also no coincidence that in dashing 1990s in Russia, the gas versions of PP and PPK pistols were popular as the basis for subsequent conversion into military weapons, designed for a small-caliber cartridge, including using a silencer. Such alterations could be used for the shortest possible time, the fact of the matter is that gas models were made from aluminum or powder alloy, their resources were enough to shoot several stores of live ammunition.

Until 1944, Walther PPK pistols were produced in Germany for 7,65 mm Browning, 9 mm Browning kurz, .22 lr cartridges, and very rare today - 6,35 mm Browning. In addition, it was possible to find the “Extra” model, which differed from others by the indicator of the presence of a cartridge in the chamber or the version with “super-gloss blued”. Already in those years (and without its own model designation) it was possible to buy a pistol with a light alloy handle. This pistol remains quite a rarity to this day. Since 1957, Carl Walther GmbH in Ulm on the Danube has been supplying the Walther PPK pistol with an alloy handle, but now under its own original designation PPK-L, the specialized Internet portal notes. all4shooters.com.


The letter L in the name of this model of the pistol just meant light alloy, but in this case it was not just aluminum. In many cases, aluminum turned out to be a very soft and not strong enough metal for its use in engineering. For this reason, “resistant” aluminum (from the Latin durus) was created in Germany. Today, solid aluminum alloy is officially called duralumin, it is widely known under the brand name Dural. The company Carl Walther in Ulm used this alloy not only for the manufacture of Walther PPK-L pistol grip arms, but also for post-war P38 (P1) pistols, TPH, P5 and a number of other weapon models.

Duralumin itself was created originally for the needs of aviation industry. In fact, the rapidly developing aviation industry began its direct and fairly large-scale use in the production of wings and various parts of the fuselage already in the 30s of the last century. What you are unlikely to find in literature today is that before becoming synonymous with durable and lightweight aluminum, Dural was already secretly used in the German military industry.

Already during World War I, Kaiser Germany experienced a very great need for weapons and ammunition. In particular, the country was already actively searching for an alternative to brass widely used in the production of ammunition. These experiments led to the introduction of aluminum. Since this soft metal was not suitable for the production of cartridges for cartridges, alloying elements were added to its composition, which made it possible to obtain an alloy that possesses the necessary properties for military purposes. The composition of the new alloy in addition to the aluminum were included copper, magnesium, manganese, silicon and iron.

WALTHER model PPK-L caliber 7,65 mm with ergonomic overlays of wood

The new alloy, recognized as unsuitable for mass production of ammunition, nevertheless found application in the aviation industry, and then in the production of weapons. The Walther PPK-L pistol was offered in parallel with the PPK model. At the same time, the gain in the mass of weapons, thanks to the duralumin handle, was 110 grams. In the catalog of Dynamit Nobel-Genschow in 1963, the margin on such a gun performed by 7,65 mm Browning was 23 of the mark marks (at that time it corresponded to an increase in the cost of the gun by more than 10 percent).

Since the light alloy could not be blued, the pistol grip of such a model had a black glossy anodized coating, which could be outwardly distinguished from the bluing of the all-metal Walther PPK pistol model. Nowadays, the reduction of the weight of firearms is already achieved by other methods - the extensive use of polymer handles. As, for example, in the very popular today guns company GLOCK.

Information sources:
https://www.all4shooters.com/ru/strelba/pistolety/WALTHER-PPK-L-istoriya-pistoleta-i-legkogo-splava-DURAL
http://mgewehr42.livejournal.com/30493.html
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  1. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 4 August 2017 05: 40
    +9
    Beautiful weapon.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 4 August 2017 06: 05
    +3
    The advantages include small dimensions and on some * indicator * the presence of a cartridge in the chamber.
    The rest is all average. Including ammunition.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 4 August 2017 06: 36
      +5
      Actually, it seems to be yes ... But almost a hundred years of release, albeit intermittently, are talking about something. Which of the pistols can still boast of this.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 4 August 2017 07: 15
        +7
        Quote: alex-cn
        Which of the pistols can still boast of this.

        Colt 1911.
        1. alex-cn
          alex-cn 4 August 2017 07: 20
          +1
          I agree. Maybe there are still, but a few.
  3. erased
    erased 4 August 2017 09: 24
    +12
    A good trunk for your tasks. Nobody will storm the shelter of terrorists with him, nor will they participate in practical shooting competitions. But as a weapon of self-defense at distances up to 10 meters, the gun fits perfectly. As well as PM, it is trouble-free and indispensable in its field. By the way, the shootout in Mossud proved this, the bandits quickly failed and no one complained about the poor accuracy, accuracy, penetration and moral obsolescence of the PM. Unless the bandits.
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    2. tracer
      tracer 4 August 2017 20: 42
      +1
      Magarena is good .. in its field of possible application. Although after the line of "heather" or cypress. The time of the shootout could be greatly reduced. A chetam and AKSU would have gone halfway. Only rebound from concrete walls is not possible for children.
  4. 32363
    32363 4 August 2017 09: 50
    +4
    for hidden wear there was another PPK, 18 or 20 mm thick, which is somewhat similar to the PSM specially made for the GeStaPo secret service.
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 4 August 2017 10: 02
      +6
      It was like that. A better and not necessary. Fashionable, stylish and reliable.

      And here with the silencer
      1. 32363
        32363 4 August 2017 10: 11
        +7


        nashol
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 4 August 2017 10: 16
          +6
          There he is. One to one. Only the other handle with a swastika.

          Immediately make a reservation this photo is a sample, and not the propaganda of Nazism.
          Here's another interesting example of a police weapon Walter P38k
          1. 32363
            32363 4 August 2017 10: 23
            +2
            but how thick was it, don’t you know?
            1. FIREMAN
              FIREMAN 4 August 2017 11: 12
              +2
              Height 105 mm, length 155, speed 280 m / s, barrel length 83. I did not find the thickness.
              1. FIREMAN
                FIREMAN 4 August 2017 11: 29
                +1
                This is me about PPK. In general, this pistol, with this design, was called the "Party Leader".
  5. Curious
    Curious 4 August 2017 10: 15
    +7
    According to legend, it was from Walther PPK that the gruppenfuhrer, Lieutenant General of the SS troops German Fegelein, was shot dead, who, according to unconfirmed (but not completely disproved) rumors, was a Russian intelligence agent. By the way, he himself was the owner of Walther P38, decorated with the SS slogan “Mein Ehre heisst Treue” (“My honor is fidelity”) and G. Himmler’s inscription “In Herrlicher Kamaradschaft” (“As a sign of cordial friendship”)
    In 2004, a pistol was found in one of Florida's pawnshops, exactly matching the description above.
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 4 August 2017 10: 25
      +2
      Good afternoon! hi Beautiful finish. Apparently ivory.
      1. Curious
        Curious 4 August 2017 10: 59
        +8
        Especially for you.
        Judging by the marking, this R-38 was produced at the Mauser enterprise in 1944, has a serial number 4620. By special order from Himmler, the weapon was removed directly from the conveyor and transferred to the master engraver for artistic decoration and gilding. Almost the entire open surface of the pistol slide box is decorated with carved oak leaves. On the left side, after the marking “R-38” and the year of issue “44”, there is the famous SS slogan - “Mein Ehre heisst Treue” (“My honor is fidelity”). The name of Herman Fegelein is engraved on the left on the trunk.

        On the right side there is an inscription in italic italics “In Herrlicher Kamaradschaft” (“As a sign of cordial friendship”) and a signature - G. Himmler.

        It is assumed that the engraving of the inscription is made according to the text executed by Himmler's hand, which gives greater authenticity to the authenticity of this unique weapon.

        The overlaid cheeks of the polished ivory pistol grip have an image of a Nazi eagle with a pure gold swastika. Despite the fact that the pistol is more than fifty years old and it was discovered thousands of miles from the Hitler bunker, the weapon was well preserved, only a small sling attachment for the cord on the left side of the handle was lost.
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 4 August 2017 11: 27
          +3
          hi Thanks, very interesting.
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 4 August 2017 17: 25
          +2
          Curios, as I recall Fegelein (or other Fegelein transcription) was married to Eva Braun's sister and this explains his career growth. That Fegelein the Soviet intelligence never heard.
          The version that the Soviet intelligence agent Knipper-Chekhov I met, but about Fegelein ... maybe it's a duck?
          1. Curious
            Curious 4 August 2017 17: 51
            +4
            Fegeleina is not the only one recorded as agents of the NKVD or the KGB. In particular, the same rumors are spreading about Martin Bormann, who, allegedly, did not die, but got out of flaming Berlin. Subsequently, it was discovered somewhere in Latin America, and recently died. Rumors are even circulating that Hitler did not commit suicide, but lived quietly somewhere in Argentina and became almost a woman, and so on.
            The official version is dead. And the altistory is the sea. Demand creates supply.
            For example.
            http://history-paradox.ru/gitler2.php
          2. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 5 August 2017 13: 27
            +2
            Quote: Monarchist
            but about Fegelein ... maybe it's a duck?

            Of course a duck. Fegelein was shot on Hitler’s personal order when he learned about Himmler’s separate negotiations with the Americans, by the way, Fegelein was Himmler’s personal representative at Hitler’s headquarters. Yours faithfully
  6. spech
    spech 4 August 2017 10: 26
    +1
    shortened by 1,5 cm height by 10 mm weight 110 grams and raised the price tag by 10% good
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 4 August 2017 13: 31
      +6
      So many comments, but no one remembered Bond. According to Ian Fleming, Walther PPK is Agent 007's favorite weapon.
      1. avt
        avt 4 August 2017 19: 39
        +2
        Quote: MooH
        So many comments, but no one remembered Bond. According to Ian Fleming, Walther PPK is Agent 007's favorite weapon.

        Actually, in the very first episode, Beretta was his favorite weapon, and Walter, “M”, got into it with an eye on the CIA, and Bond wanted to hobble Beretta according to the script, but you won’t be fooled. bully
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 August 2017 22: 39
          +3
          Quote: avt
          Walter him ,, M "vparil

          He and TT vparivali. winked
  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 4 August 2017 17: 11
    +1
    Quote: erased
    A good trunk for your tasks. Nobody will storm the shelter of terrorists with him, nor will they participate in practical shooting competitions. But as a weapon of self-defense at distances up to 10 meters, the gun fits perfectly. As well as PM, it is trouble-free and indispensable in its field. By the way, the shootout in Mossud proved this, the bandits quickly failed and no one complained about the poor accuracy, accuracy, penetration and moral obsolescence of the PM. Unless the bandits.

    PM modified Walter PP, its accuracy and penetration is just for such situations: short fire contact at a distance of up to 15 meters + the bandits didn’t have armor, and if they had prepared bm and then it would have been sour with the PM against the gang.
    My opinion: pistols with a 9mm “kurtz” caliber (actually - PM caliber) should or should be done as civil servants for: fish inspectors, private security companies, private investigators and for self-defense. The army caliber should be like abroad: 9mm Parabellum with a high-speed bullet.
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 4 August 2017 19: 38
      +2
      Let me disagree with you

      1. FIREMAN
        FIREMAN 4 August 2017 19: 52
        +1
        The PM pistol is an independent design: a two-armed mainspring, the end of the trigger, the design of the hammer and fuse, and much more. The 9x19 cartridge, by the way, is made on the basis of the 7,63x25 Mauser cartridge. cartridge from TT 7,62x25 can be fired from parabellum if desired. Therefore, the conversation that a 9x19 cartridge is more powerful is deeper and stronger is endless. The most powerful cartridge is 7,62x25, and 9x19 is its continuation. Everything is written in the literature. And about plagiarism ... The Baltiets pistol:
        1. Operator
          Operator 4 August 2017 20: 18
          +2
          Quote: FIREMAN
          two-armed mainspring, trigger release, hammer and fuse design

          Little things in life - the layout of the PM completely copies the PP, plus the PM caliber one to one PP caliber.
          1. FIREMAN
            FIREMAN 4 August 2017 20: 23
            +2
            The layout of the AKM corresponds to Sturmgever 44. This is normal. So you can argue ad infinitum. hi
            1. Operator
              Operator 4 August 2017 20: 29
              +2
              The layout of all AK series corresponds to the layout of the Lewis machine gun of the 1923 model of the year (up to the magazine latch)

              1. FIREMAN
                FIREMAN 4 August 2017 20: 45
                +1
                So what. I see no reason to argue. The layout is similar in view of the convenience, logical arrangement of parts and mechanisms. All the same, these are independent constructions. This is true in any science, and even more so in technology. Based on the basis of the new is built. I don’t see anything seditious.
                1. Operator
                  Operator 4 August 2017 20: 48
                  +1
                  The seditious thing is that the developers of PP and Lewis 1923 were designers, and the developers of PM and AK were rationalizers.
                  1. FIREMAN
                    FIREMAN 4 August 2017 20: 57
                    +2
                    I partially agree with you. And nevertheless, in my opinion, the design, improved to perfection, is much better than the initial prototype. If you are given a choice of a stone knife and a knife made of X12MF steel, what will you choose at a particular moment. Of course the last one. Two structural elements (blade and handle), the layout is generally almost identical. Therefore, I do not see anything here because of which it would be possible to break the spears. That is life. The base is taken and finalized, so everywhere and everywhere. To come up with a fundamentally new is difficult. It’s easier to take ready-made technical solutions, to modernize (and this is often much more difficult), to work out the parameters. Therefore, I repeat once again, I agree that there are borrowings, but this does not fundamentally affect the result.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 4 August 2017 21: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: FIREMAN
                      it does not radically affect the result

                      This is the problem - when copying into a series, an already obsolete design is inevitably laid.

                      An even greater negative effect is caused by the psychology of copy pasteurists themselves, oriented to drag in the tail of advanced developers and swallow dust from their boots (see dances with a tambourine around AK-12 and various ATP / PY / PL).
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 5 August 2017 00: 24
                        +3
                        And what are some fundamentally new solutions and ideas implemented in the field of handguns over the last, say, fifty years?
          2. Grid
            Grid 5 August 2017 20: 05
            +2
            / Little things in life - the layout of the PM completely copies the PP /
            The only thing they have in common is a free bolt with a return spring around the barrel (hello to Browning arr 1910) and fixing the barrel with the protrusion of a movable trigger guard (this feature was originally agreed upon by the GAU when the TTZ was issued for a new gun. Everything else is completely different for them. To realize this, I simply advise you to carry out a complete disassembly, and especially the assembly of the PPK and PM.
            / plus PM caliber one to one PP caliber. /
            Complete nonsense. Not only is the geometry different for 9x17k and 9x18PM. Pmowski cartridge is also more powerful, and quite seriously. In fact, this is the maximum power cartridge, under which you can still create a sane pistol with a free shutter.
            1. Operator
              Operator 5 August 2017 20: 14
              +1
              You just don’t have to roll a barrel at GAU MO USSR - they ordered Makarov to make a copy of the foreign Walter RR not from a good life, but from the fact that the designs of pistols of a purely Soviet invention then (and now) came out crooked.

              Makarov rationalized the individual elements of the PP, but the layout solution (automation system, frame shape, location of the return spring, USM) remained German.

              9x17 and 9x18 are twin brothers (police caliber, however).
              1. Grid
                Grid 6 August 2017 11: 18
                +2
                Well, you and an alternatively gifted person!
                we take and read:
                http://huntsmanblog.ru/pistolet-pm-9-mm-naznachen
                ie-istoriya-sozdaniya-i-modifikacii-pm /
                http://shooting-iron.ru/board/13-1-0-56
                1. Operator
                  Operator 6 August 2017 11: 28
                  0
                  By your (note) link:

                  "All designs in size, layout and device were similar to the German prototype" (FROM)
    2. avt
      avt 4 August 2017 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      PM modified Walter PP,

      wassat To the site archive! Urgently! Already so many frayed on this subject, tired again. By the way, with the new and seemingly Israeli Fab Defense handle, the machine really gets a second wind. Like a second, personal weapon. Reliable to ... disgrace, and even with a quick change of store it will last a long time.
  8. Lganhi
    Lganhi 4 August 2017 22: 55
    +1
    As a civilian weapon, this gun is the best, as is its counterpart PM. No wonder it is produced for almost 100 years. And the power of the bullet 9 * 17 or 9 * 18 is enough to stop the bandit. The 38-caliber revolving cartridge has similar power, while it is the most popular revolving cartridge in the USA, and the Americans, as you know, do not favor weak calibers.
  9. Operator
    Operator 5 August 2017 02: 13
    0
    Curious,
    For example:

    The AR-10 automatic rifle, developed in the 1955 year, with direct axial action of powder gases on the slide frame.

    The TKB-0111 submachine gun, developed in the 1981 year, with a two-tempo shooting system, actually won the Abakan contest.

    The HK G11 automatic rifle, developed in the 1983 year, with an automatic fire monitor system, a rotating chamber, a horizontal magazine and cartridgeless cartridges.
    1. Curious
      Curious 5 August 2017 18: 53
      +4
      And what is fundamentally new in the listed samples? All use the energy of powder gases discharged from the wall. The principle of operation of automation is known for more than a hundred years. There were more exotic ways to implement it.
      All of these samples remained experimental. I do not see a revolution.
      1. Operator
        Operator 5 August 2017 20: 06
        0
        You would still say with a smart look that firearms have been known for 700 years with a hook laughing

        AR-10 is the M16 prototype (you need to know the materiel by sight).

        The novelty of the aforementioned models lies in various constructive methods for the execution of the main device of automatic weapons - reloading mechanism (plus various constructive methods for increasing accuracy of fire bursts from unstable positions).

        Compared to this, differences in USM designs or, especially, in USM elastic elements are pot-bellied trifles.
        1. Grid
          Grid 5 August 2017 20: 23
          +1
          / The novelty of the above models lies in various constructive methods for the execution of the main device of automatic weapons - reloading mechanism /
          New in this generation of Eugene Stoner is only a direct gas outlet to the shutter frame. More than a dubious decision. By the way, and before that they indulged in this.
          Further: the operating principle of the rotary shutter itself, greetings to Lews and Mac Lynn, USM - greetings to Browning and Garanda, general layout - greetings to Schmeiser, and through him to Holek.
          / Compared to this, differences in USM designs or, especially, in USM elastic elements are pot-bellied trifles. /
          The differences are more than enough, you just really poorly own the materiel.
          1. Operator
            Operator 5 August 2017 20: 30
            0
            The coaxial action of the powder gases on the bolt frame on the barrel was first realized by Eugene Stoner (learn the materiel).

            No one to say hello laughing
            1. Curious
              Curious 5 August 2017 23: 03
              +6
              Dear Grill! Do not share. Mr. Operator is inherent in such a quality as militant ignorance. Militant ignoramus is not just not versed in the subject. It also does not understand that it does not understand, that is, does not see itself from the side. And the main thing that distinguishes him is his fanatical desire to impose his ignorance on others, which manifests itself in the form of fierce criticism, conviction, or rather condemnation of the rest of the world.
              It’s just that man did not realize himself, apparently. in life.
              1. Operator
                Operator 5 August 2017 23: 37
                0
                Curious - human soul engineer laughing
            2. Grid
              Grid 6 August 2017 10: 55
              0
              Once again, for the alternatively gifted, you are very shamefully versed in the principles of work and the history of weapons. About the coaxial action of the powder gases with the barrel (even the turn is illiterate, like the author) google "systems with a movable capsule." Think (if you have anything), and then maybe we’ll talk.
              1. Operator
                Operator 6 August 2017 11: 38
                0
                For very "literate": systems with the selection of powder gases from the barrel (with the placement of a gas chamber above the barrel, like an AK, or in the shutter frame, like AR) and from the chamber (with a movable capsule, like AAI SPIW) are different system.
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 August 2017 16: 40
    0
    How is it with Tolstoy ... "Tell your master:
    When so strong with a spiritual sword,
    Then he’s free to praise him,
    But let him still own it,
    And here I am with this, my iron,
    Satisfied."
    Better not say.
  11. Grid
    Grid 5 August 2017 20: 12
    0
    Curious,
    Principal? Here we can call the development of a fire monitor in the G-11 and AN-94 and the APS (this is just what was produced more or less commercially). But the first two did not take off for the cuckoo clock, moreover, expensive and not giving a cardinal superiority over existing samples, and the Special Underwater Automaton is too much a niche thing.
    1. Operator
      Operator 5 August 2017 20: 25
      0
      HK G11 did not take off primarily for another reason - shellless cartridges.

      The Germans took too much steps and tore their pants - the self-ignition temperature of the base of the propellant charge of the G11 octogen cartridge is about 200 degrees Celsius, and the temperature of the inner surface of the barrel chamber (even detachable) when shooting bursts significantly exceeds this value.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 5 August 2017 21: 03
        0
        I add that a sleeveless cartridge is less durable in the field of storage and is more susceptible to mechanical stress.
        1. Operator
          Operator 5 August 2017 21: 26
          0
          The Germans solved this problem by using disposable plastic stores equipped at the factory.
          1. FIREMAN
            FIREMAN 7 August 2017 16: 33
            0
            That is exactly equipped at the factory. And the stock of cartridges for G11 is destroyed, due to the development's not promising.
            1. Operator
              Operator 7 August 2017 16: 54
              0
              Factory equipment of disposable stores is fraught with only one thing - planting a supply spring in the case of months of storage of stores after their equipment.

              In the case of the correct organization of logistics with the delivery of disposable stores to the place of military operations within one month and the application of a guaranteed trigger date for each store, it is quite possible to use this scheme, which saves fighters from the time spent on outfitting stores.

              As part of long-term (strategic) stocks, cartridges and unloaded disposable stores will be stored separately.
    2. Curious
      Curious 6 August 2017 00: 32
      +2
      What previously unknown principles form the basis of these samples? They do not use the pressure force of the gases generated during the combustion of a propellant, moreover, gunpowder? Or do they not use the power of these gases to operate automation? Or is the work of their automation built on hitherto unknown principles?
      By the way, if you give an example of a special weapon, it is better not to APS, but to ADS. All the same, different cartridges for different environments - the solution is really new. But the weapon itself is implemented on the basis of well-known schemes.
      1. Operator
        Operator 6 August 2017 00: 58
        0
        Do not worry - not your topic laughing
        1. Grid
          Grid 6 August 2017 11: 04
          +1
          What a self-criticism! I'm amazed! :)
      2. Grid
        Grid 6 August 2017 11: 04
        +1
        / What previously unknown principles form the basis of these samples? /
        Driven circuit with offset recoil momentum.
        / They do not use the pressure force of the gases generated during the combustion of a propellant, moreover - gunpowder? /
        And what, someone uses other propellants? If you are about the iron-ore-mining industry, then this is a fairy tale, which is unlikely to become true when.
        / Or is the work of their automation built on hitherto unknown principles? /
        In view of the adopted scheme and ammunition, they have extremely interesting features of the device that have not previously been encountered.
        And to force a firearm to shoot continuously is only possible in two ways: either by an external graft, or using the energy of powder gases. Well this is obvious. :)
  12. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 17 October 2017 12: 53
    0
    a lot of water ...
  13. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 22 December 2017 14: 11
    +4
    Somehow the Browning of 1910 was pawing with the stigma of the Third Reich. Thing of course
    1. Dr. Bermental
      Dr. Bermental 19 January 2018 22: 16
      0
      Hitler said the same thing ...
  14. Dr. Bermental
    Dr. Bermental 19 January 2018 22: 13
    0
    and they said that in 1972 they released ..