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Russian "Commander" is not yet in Syria

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In the Russian Federation, an automated control system for anti-tank units has been created, called “Commander”, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

Russian "Commander" is not yet in Syria


The complex includes radar detection of ground targets, laser range finders - target designators, automated control, communications and orientation, and others. “Therefore, when a photo appeared on the network on Monday that showed the position of fighters fighting on the official Damascus radar. and ATGM "Cornet", then many users have decided that this is exactly the "Commander", ”writes the author of the publication Lev Romanov.

However, Russian military expert Yury Lyamin corrected them, saying that the photo shows a radar for detecting Iranian-made ground targets. The development was called "Tarik".



“The mass of this Iranian station is about 30 kg. It can detect people at a distance of 4,5 km, cars, armored vehicles at a distance of 8 km. She sees helicopters at a distance of 6-8 km. The average coordinate determination error is 50 meters.

Of course, a bunch of ATGM "Cornet" with the Tariq radar increases the effectiveness of anti-tank operations, but it is still very far from our "Commander", ”said Lyamin.
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  1. VAZ2106
    VAZ2106 2 August 2017 12: 20
    +2
    Who gives arrogant names to weapons?
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 2 August 2017 12: 41
      +14
      Our designers generally do not have a trivial sense of humor. How beautiful and romantic our weapon names sound: "Katyusha", "Carnation", "Tulip", "Hyacinth", "Acacia", "Poplar" ... Not like the Amerzos.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 2 August 2017 14: 39
        +2
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        How beautiful and romantic our weapon names sound: "Katyusha", "Nails ...
        - Well, when will a non-trivial system appear under the romantic name PiSets ???
        1. Topotun
          Topotun 2 August 2017 15: 32
          0
          It has long been - nuclear weapons are called ..... And full .....
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 2 August 2017 12: 58
      +4
      Why is there no “commander” at LDNR? Crossed the "gray zone" - get a fascist grenade!
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 2 August 2017 13: 02
        +14
        sibiralt Today, 12:58 ↑
        Why is there no “commander” at LDNR? Crossed the "gray zone" - get a fascist grenade!
        Well, firstly, probably because it is also not in the Russian troops. And secondly, we do not for certain know what LDNR has there. And we don’t need to know it, we know less, the enemy knows less ...
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 3 August 2017 09: 52
          +3
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Today, 12: 58 ↑
          And we don’t need to know it, we know less, the enemy knows less ...

          It would be impossible to forget with such a formulation of the question ...
  2. Monos
    Monos 2 August 2017 12: 22
    +5
    Well, finally they began to give names in the feminine gender. Progress!
    1. 3officer
      3officer 2 August 2017 12: 27
      +12
      "Mother-in-law" - reacts to movement, discovers objects in complete darkness, "works" often from an ambush, the chances of surviving are slim laughing
      1. Monos
        Monos 2 August 2017 12: 45
        +8
        Quote: 3officer
        "Mother-in-law" - reacts to movement, discovers objects in complete darkness, "works" often from an ambush, the chances of surviving are slim laughing

        Plin ... With that name, it’s immediately to burn down the characteristics of the device. laughing
    2. nik-karata
      nik-karata 2 August 2017 12: 37
      +1
      The development was called "Tarik".

      Tarka - I know. Board for the manufacture of boxes (containers).
      Tariq ??? Probably a husband or brother of Tarka! laughing
      Such a joke of humor!)))
  3. Lopatov
    Lopatov 2 August 2017 12: 37
    +1
    They didn’t finish the “Commander”. Although they could ... At least to the level of the equipment that stands on the American “Tou”
  4. strannik1985
    strannik1985 2 August 2017 12: 58
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    They didn’t finish the “Commander”. Although they could ... At least to the level of the equipment that stands on the American “Tou”

    Thermal imager, optics detection systems?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 August 2017 14: 59
      +1
      There are many little things. Saved, while notably "failed" in the time of fire practice, and in the convenience and speed of target designation.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 2 August 2017 18: 34
        0
        What exactly? EMNIP you recommended this complex for equipping instrumental intelligence groups.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 August 2017 19: 40
          0
          Quote: strannik1985
          to equip instrumental intelligence groups.

          Unless for paired observation, faster than target designation it would be possible to transfer to the left (right) observation point ...

          Quote: strannik1985
          What exactly?

          Like the Toe - two antennas of a global positioning system. This gives not only coordinates, but also the directional angle of the installation axis immediately after switching on. The Commander will have to arrange dances with tambourines in the form of mutual sight with direct visibility between the laser rangefinder, target designator and installations, or large dances with tambourines, if there is no direct visibility. In fact, the considerable savings against the background of the cost of the entire complex led to a considerable increase in deployment time.

          Second, you need to enter a maximum of information into the field of view of the sight of the anti-tank system. In the form as done on the Commander, the operator will be constantly distracted.
  5. Operator
    Operator 2 August 2017 13: 04
    +1
    A stillborn project - as soon as the Commander is turned on, the anti-radar ammunition will immediately arrive.

    Thermal imagers rule.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 2 August 2017 14: 25
      0
      Well, it’s not flying to Tarik yet, judging by the photo ...
      Yes, and the accuracy of the PRR is not so high for low-power emitters to get it exactly into the antenna sheet, and not for the reverse ramp of the parapet.
      And the blow on the machine that launched the PRR certainly does not hit. So it’s not a fact yet who is more afraid of whom on the front line.
      1. Operator
        Operator 2 August 2017 14: 31
        0
        As a PR-ammunition, an 120-mm guided mine with the corresponding GOS can be used - its fragmentation field is guaranteed to cover the “Commander” even with a miss of several meters.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 August 2017 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      A stillborn project - as soon as the Commander is turned on, the anti-radar ammunition will immediately arrive.

      The radar plays an auxiliary role there. And without it you can. The main thing is optics. Quick target designation from the platoon commander to the installation, plus the ability to adjust artillery fire and highlight targets for guided artillery shells and mines.


      1. SNAR radar
      2. Laser rangefinder target designator
      3. Remote commander
      4. ATV orientation device.
      1. Operator
        Operator 2 August 2017 15: 52
        +1
        The illustration you provided is missing a thermal imager.

        By the way, for army men, unlike aviation, a greater target detection range is not required than 5-6 km (due to the low direct visibility of the target from an altitude of 1-2 meters above the ground). Therefore, they do not need a radar with a range of the order of 10 km.

        The radar's capabilities to detect targets in dense fog and in conditions of heavy dust will also not be in demand for a simple reason - ground ATGMs are aimed at the target exclusively in the optical range. And the laser rangefinder-target designator works in the same range.

        In the Commander, as well as in its foreign radar counterparts, the issue of target identification (tank, infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, truck, jeep) is completely not worked out in the absence of visibility in the optical range. Therefore, ATGMs will explicitly be spent, including on the defeat of horse-drawn carts covered in aluminum foil and harnessed by donkeys (in the Middle East).
        False targets however laughing

        For the border guards and the rear units, the Commander will come down (no answers are expected in the form of a PWB there), and for the Republic of Armenia - a cut of the budget in pure form.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 2 August 2017 16: 26
          +1
          What is the agreement between donkeys in the foil and a homing 120mm mine with passive radar guidance?
          Who pays for the banquet?
          As I understand it, all kinds of battlefield radars are developed and implemented for security functions, for parrying the first strike (the same anti-sabotage task in times of military danger) and for epic battles with the "basmachi" where the martyr’s mobile is almost the top of technical equipment.
          In the event of a serious kneading in the western theater of operations, electronic warfare equipment will not allow any communication or intelligence to breathe. In any case, until they are suppressed by the Points, Iskanders, Krosnopoli and others like them.
          As a result, all the same, the infantry will be measured by the calibers of the bursts of the rifle and mortar coverings. Unless someone’s nerves can’t stand it and nuclear weapons will not be used.
          Again, after it is either an automaton or a machete ...
          1. Operator
            Operator 2 August 2017 16: 56
            0
            Donkeys in foil and an 120-mm mine homing to a radio source are in very good agreement with the Commander and her foreign counterparts in the Donbass.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 August 2017 18: 47
            0
            Quote: Vlad.by
            In the event of a serious kneading in the western theater of operations, electronic warfare equipment will not allow any communication or intelligence to breathe.

            Tortured "in the case of a serious batch" to suppress everything. The radar will be not just many, very many.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 August 2017 18: 46
          0
          Quote: Operator
          The illustration you provided is missing a thermal imager.

          Thermal imagers are included in the set of anti-tank systems and laser rangefinder-target designator


          Quote: Operator
          In the Commander, as well as in its foreign radar counterparts, the issue of target identification (tank, infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, truck, jeep) is completely not worked out in the absence of visibility in the optical range.

          Uh ... Why?
          There is no visibility in the optical range - anti-tank systems and so do not shoot. "Commander" for portable systems. That is, either laser beam control or wires and an optical coordinator.
          1. Operator
            Operator 2 August 2017 21: 26
            0
            If the use of optical reconnaissance means such as a thermal imager is mandatory for identifying a target, then why do you need a “goat button accordion,” that is, a radar (except for budgeting)?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 August 2017 21: 49
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              then why the "goat button accordion", that is, the radar (except for budgeting)?

              It plays a matter of time.
              These are anti-tankers. Hold the line at 2 km. nine installations. There may be many exit routes to them. The radar will allow you to identify exactly one in advance. on which the column will trample, and “condense” the calculations in the direction of the main blow. A snarling column of armored vehicles can be detected by the SNAR radar at a fairly large distance.

              Well, about the "pilage" - most likely there will be one radar, at the battery level. That is, 4 KNP, battery and three platoons. Well, or one for a separate platoon of the battalion. That is, the radar is not in every set of "Commanders"
              1. Operator
                Operator 2 August 2017 21: 56
                +1
                Given the limited range of vision on rough terrain and the inability of the radar to distinguish armored vehicles from automotive equipment, there will clearly be more benefit from a thermal imager at the battery level than from a radar.

                Moreover, a thermal imager can always be placed on board a small UAV of a battery level, unlike a radar, which requires a powerful energy source and, accordingly, a heavy UAV of a divisional level (which also glows with its radar radiation like a Christmas tree).
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 2 August 2017 22: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Operator
                  Given the limited range of vision on rough terrain and the inability of the radar to distinguish armored vehicles from vehicles

                  Yes, drums, what is going there. The task of anti-tankers is to detain, not armored vehicles, genocide. If at the exit from the forest there is a convoy of motor vehicles that will prevent tanks and motorized infantry from climbing through, this is even better.

                  In addition, the SNAR radar can not only detect the column, but also serve the sighting of artillery on it. After all, she sees the explosions of her shells perfectly, yet a moving target too. And the column of armored vehicles will come to the line already battered, with protective systems partially broken by fragments.

                  Quote: Operator
                  Moreover, the thermal imager can always be placed on board a small battery-level UAV

                  Antitank batteries are microscopic, they have no people on drones. Their main task is to deploy very quickly at the turn to delay the enemy and thereby ensure the deployment of infantry and tanks behind their backs. And then step back.
                  That is mobility, mobility and again mobility. UAV does not fit into this.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 2 August 2017 23: 02
                    0
                    Figuring ATGMs on vehicles and being left without ammunition when armored vehicles go on the attack - it will be stronger than Faust Goethe laughing

                    If the ATGM battery is so microscopic, then why does it need a radar - the optics of the standard launchers can fully cope with the detection and recognition of targets at direct line of sight in rough terrain.

                    On the other hand, the state of the ATGM battery has an artillery reconnaissance officer who will be delighted if he does not have to climb on the front edge and get comfortable behind and operate a small UAV from there with a flight range of up to several tens of kilometers .
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 3 August 2017 10: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Operator
                      Figurized ATGM vehicles

                      There will be enough barrel artillery.

                      Quote: Operator
                      If the ATGM battery is so microscopic, then why does it need a radar - the optics of standard PUs will completely cope with both detection and recognition

                      8 km? Even with direct visibility in the steppe, it will be difficult. Do not forget, "Fara-BP" on a single tank has a limit of 8 km. On a column it will be more. Through the optics of standard PUs, fire can be controlled by barrel artillery. But it is difficult, this will require the highest training of operators at the level of an artillery platoon commander, no less. For the anti-tank sergeant, this is clearly redundant.

                      Quote: Operator
                      On the other hand, the ATGM battery has an artillery reconnaissance

                      There are no "artillery scouts" there. The ATGM battery is an artillery unit with all the consequences. That is, the battery commander and platoon commanders are artillery officers. And all 4 KNI battery- and battery, and platoon, can fully control the artillery fire with closed fire.

                      Quote: Operator
                      do not climb on the very front edge

                      Climbing "on the very front line", and even further, the main purpose of the anti-tank battery. And its composition does not need a certain "artillery reconnaissance officer in the rear." On top of that, the anti-tank battery is directly subordinate to the regiment commander directly through the chief of artillery (the decision to use is from the regiment commander, process control is the chief of artillery) So he does not need a "small but his own reconnaissance drone", he has all the resources of the regimental artillery intelligence at his disposal / brigade level. Including serious UAVs, and not nerds, who simply will not be able to cover the entire area of ​​responsibility.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 3 August 2017 16: 46
                        0
                        Especially on horseradish goat (ATGM battery) bayan (radar), if it has at its disposal "all the resources of artillery reconnaissance regimental / brigade level"? laughing
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 3 August 2017 17: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Operator
                      Especially on horseradish goat (ATGM battery) bayan (radar), if it has at its disposal "all the resources of artillery reconnaissance regimental / brigade level"?

                      In order to pull out the radar as close as possible to the line of contact, and thereby ensure the maximum detection range of the columns.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 3 August 2017 17: 34
                        0
                        The maximum range is provided by the UAV, and not the ground-based radar, which also glows like a Christmas tree.
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 3 August 2017 17: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: Operator
                      UAV provides maximum range

                      The one that is heavily dependent on weather conditions and easily gets off at the same time?
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 3 August 2017 19: 29
                        0
                        Give an example of the downing of 50-kg UAV, performing anti-aircraft maneuver "snake" at an altitude of 1000 meters.
  6. Dashout
    Dashout 8 August 2017 18: 15
    +3
    In Siiii, can the Commander be adapted to protect our embassy? Well, like that, no, no, yes, again, they will fire from mortars! Can the Commander put things in order there?