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Stalinist repression 30-ies. Are you sure that they are Stalinist?

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The question of the repression of the thirties of the last century is of fundamental importance not only for understanding stories Russian socialism and its essence as a social system, but also to assess the role of Stalin in the history of Russia. This question plays a key role in the accusations not only of Stalinism, but, in fact, of the entire Soviet regime.


Stalinist repression 30-ies. Are you sure that they are Stalinist?


Today, the assessment of the "Stalinist terror" has become in our country a touchstone, password, a landmark in relation to the past and the future of Russia. Condemn? Resolutely and irrevocably? - Democrat and common man! Any doubts? - Stalinist!

Let's try to deal with a simple question: Did Stalin organize the “Great Terror”? Maybe there are other causes of terror, about which all-human-liberals prefer to remain silent?

So. After the October Revolution, the Bolsheviks tried to create an ideological elite of a new type, but these attempts were stalled from the very beginning. Mainly because the new “national” elite believed that by its revolutionary struggle it fully deserved the right to enjoy the benefits that the “elite” had anti-people only by birthright. In the nobility mansions, the new nomenclature was quickly accustomed, and even the old servants remained in place; they only began to be called the attendants. This phenomenon was very broad and received the name "kombarstvo".

Even the right measures proved ineffective, thanks to the massive sabotage of the new elite. I am inclined to include the introduction of the so-called "party maximum" as the right measure - banning party members to receive a salary more than the salary of a highly skilled worker.

That is, the non-partisan director of the plant could receive a salary in 2000 rubles, and the Communist director only 500 rubles, and not a penny more. Thus, Lenin sought to avoid the influx of careerists in the party, who use it as a springboard to quickly make their way to grain places. However, this measure was half-hearted without simultaneously destroying the system of privileges attached to any post.

By the way V.I. Lenin in every way opposed the reckless growth in the number of party members, and then engaged in the CPSU, starting with Khrushchev. In his work “Children's disease of leftism in communism,” he wrote: “We are afraid of excessive expansion of the party, because careerists and crooks, who deserve only to be shot, will inevitably cling to the government party.».

Moreover, in the conditions of the post-war shortage of consumer goods, material goods were not so much bought, but distributed. Any power performs the function of distribution, and if so, then the one who distributes, he uses the distributed. Especially cling careerists and crooks. Therefore, the next step was to update the upper floors of the party.

Stalin announced this in his cautious manner inherent to him as early as the XVII Congress of the CPSU (B.) (March 1934 of the year). In his Report, the Secretary General described a certain type of workers who were disturbing the party and the country: “...These are people with famous achievements in the past, people who believe that the Party and Soviet laws were written not for them, but for fools. These are the very people who do not consider it their duty to execute the decisions of the party organs ... What are they counting on, violating Party and Soviet laws? They hope that the Soviet government will not dare to touch them because of their old merits. These arrogant grandees think that they are irreplaceable and that they can violate the decisions of the governing bodies with impunity ...».

The results of the first five-year plan showed that the old Bolsheviks-Leninists, with all their revolutionary achievements, were not able to cope with the scale of the economy being reconstructed. Not burdened with professional skills, poorly educated (Yezhov wrote in his autobiography: education is an incomplete elementary), washed with the blood of the Civil War, they could not “ride” complex production realities.

Formally, the real power in the localities belonged to the Soviets, since the party did not legally have any authority. But party bosses were elected as chairmen of the Soviets, and, in fact, they appointed themselves to these posts, since the elections were held on an unallocated basis, that is, they were not elections. And then Stalin undertakes a very risky maneuver - he proposes to establish in the country real, not nominal, Soviet power, that is, to hold secret general elections in party organizations and councils of all levels on an alternative basis. Stalin tried to get rid of the party regional barons, which is called, in an amicable way, through elections, and the real alternative ones.

Considering the Soviet practice, this sounds rather unusual, however, it is. He hoped that the majority of this audience without support from above would not overcome the popular filter. Moreover, according to the new constitution, it was planned to nominate candidates for the Supreme Soviet of the USSR not only from the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), but also from public organizations and groups of citizens.

What happened next? December 5 1936 adopted a new Constitution of the USSR, the most democratic constitution of its time in the whole world, even as acknowledged by ardent critics of the USSR. For the first time in the history of Russia, secret alternative elections were to be held. By secret ballot. Despite the fact that the party elite tried to put a spoke in the wheels during the period when the draft constitution was created, Stalin managed to finish the job.

The regional party elite perfectly understood that with the help of these new elections to the new Supreme Council, Stalin plans to make a peaceful rotation of the entire ruling element. And there were about 250 thousand. By the way, the NKVD approximately counted on such a number of investigations.

Understand something they understood, but what to do? I do not want to part with my chairs. And they are also well aware of another factor - in the previous period they have done this, especially during the Civil War and the collectivization of the people with great pleasure that not only they were not chosen, but also have them smashed head off. The hands of many high regional party secretaries were stained with blood. During the period of collectivization in the regions was complete arbitrariness. In one of the regions Khataevich, this dear person, declared a de facto civil war in the course of collectivization in his particular region. As a result, Stalin was forced to threaten him that he would shoot outright, if he did not stop mocking people. Do you think that comrades Eihe, Postyshev, Kosior and Khrushchev were better, less “cute”? Of course, the people remembered it all in 1937, and after the election, these bloodsuckers would go to the forest.

Stalin did plan such a peaceful rotation operation, he openly told the American correspondent in March 1936 to Mr. Howard Roy about this. He said that this election would be a good whip in the hands of the people after a change of leading cadres, and he said that with a “whip”. Did yesterday's "gods" of their counties tolerate a whip?

The Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), which took place in June 1936, directly aimed the party leaders for new times. When discussing the draft of the new constitution, A. Zhdanov, in his extensive report, spoke out quite unambiguously: “The new electoral system ... will give a powerful impetus to improving the work of the Soviet bodies, the elimination of bureaucratic bodies, the elimination of bureaucratic flaws and distortions in the work of our Soviet organizations. And these shortcomings, as you know, are very significant. Our party organs must be prepared for an electoral battle ...". And he further said that these elections would be a serious, serious examination of Soviet workers, because secret voting provides ample opportunities to divert undesirable and objectionable masses of candidates, that party bodies are obliged to distinguish such criticism from hostile activities, that non-partisan candidates should be treated with all support and attention, because delicately speaking, they are several times more than party members.

Zhdanov’s report publicly voiced the terms "inner-party democracy," "democratic centralism," and "democratic elections." And demands were made: to prohibit "nominating" candidates without elections, prohibiting at party meetings to vote "on the list", to ensure "unlimited right for the party members to withdraw nominated candidates and unlimited right to criticize these candidates." The last phrase was entirely related to elections of purely party bodies, where a long time ago there was not a shadow of democracy. But, as we see, the general elections to the Soviet and party organs are not forgotten.

Stalin and his people demand democracy! And if this is not democracy, then explain to me what, then, is democracy to be considered ?!

And how do the party grandees who have gathered at the plenum - the first secretaries of the regional committees, regional committees, the Central Committee of national communist parties react to Zhdanov's report? And they miss it all by the ears! Because such innovations does not taste the same "Leninist old guard", which has not yet been destroyed by Stalin, and just sits at the plenum in all the grandeur and splendor. Because the vaunted "Leninist Guard" - a gathering of small satrapchikov. They are accustomed to living in their estates barons, individually disposing of life and death of people.

The debate on the report Zhdanov were almost torn down.

Despite the direct calls of Stalin to seriously and thoroughly discuss the reforms, the old guard with paranoid persistence turns to more pleasant and understandable topics: terror, terror, terror! What, to hell, reform ?! There are more urgent tasks: hit the hidden enemy, burn, catch, reveal! People's Commissars, the first secretaries - everyone is talking about the same thing: how they eagerly and on a large scale reveal the enemies of the people, how they intend to raise this campaign to cosmic heights ...

Stalin loses his patience. When another speaker appears on the podium, without waiting for him to open his mouth, he ironically throws: - Have you identified all the enemies or have you left? The speaker, the first secretary of the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee Kabakov, (another future “innocent victim of Stalin’s terror”) ignores the irony and is habitually bursting that the electoral activity of the masses, so that you know, justpretty often used by hostile elements for counter-revolutionary work».

They are incurable !!! They just can not do otherwise! They need neither reform, nor secret voting, nor several candidates on the ballot. They are foaming at the mouth to defend the old system, where there is no democracy, but there is only the "boyars volyushka" ...
On the podium - Molotov. He says efficient, sensible things: you need to identify real enemies and pests, and not throw mud at all the "captains of production" without exception. It is necessary to learn, finally, to DIFFER THE GUILTY FROM THE INNERABLE. It is necessary to reform the bloated bureaucratic apparatus, it is necessary to evaluate people according to their business qualities and not to put past mistakes in the line. And the party boyars - all about the same: to search and catch enemies with all the ardor! Root deeper, plant more! For a change, they enthusiastically and loudly begin to drown one another: Kudryavtsev - Postysheva Andreev - Sheboldaeva, Polonsky - Shvernika Khrushchev - Yakovlev.

Molotov, unable to stand, openly says:
- In a number of cases, listening to speakers, it was possible to conclude that our resolutions and our reports passed by the speakers ...
Exactly! Not just passed - whistled ... Most of those gathered in the hall do not know how to work or reform. But they are perfectly able to catch and identify enemies, they adore this occupation and do not think of life without it.

It does not seem strange to you that this "executioner" Stalin, downright imposing democracy, and his future "innocent victims" ran from this democracy like the devil from incense. Yes, and demanded reprisals, and more.

In short, it was not the “tyrant Stalin”, but the “cosmopolitan Leninist party guards” that ruled the ball at the June 1936 plenum of the year that buried all attempts at a democratic thaw. She did not give Stalin an opportunity to get rid of them, as they say, GOODLY, through elections.

Stalin's authority was so great that the party barons did not risk openly protesting, and the Constitution of the USSR, nicknamed Stalin, was adopted in 1936, which provided for a transition to real Soviet democracy.

However, the party nomenklatura reared up and carried out a massive attack on the leader in order to convince him to postpone the holding of free elections until the end of the struggle against the counter-revolutionary element.

The regional party bosses, members of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), began to escalate their passions, referring to the recently opened conspiracies of the Trotskyists and the military: they say, it’s only possible to give such an opportunity as former white officers and noblemen, secret kulak underlings, priests and Trotsky pests rush into politics .

They demanded not only to curtail any plans for democratization, but also to strengthen emergency measures, and even to introduce special quotas for mass repressions in the regions - they say, to finish off those Trotskyists who had gone from punishment. The party nomenclatura demanded authority for the repression of these enemies, and she beat herself to herself. And then the parochial party barons, who constituted the majority in the Central Committee, who were frightened for their leadership positions, began repressions, first of all, against those honest communists who could become competitors in future elections by secret ballot.

The nature of repression against honest communists was such that the composition of some district committees and regional committees changed two or three times a year. Communists at party conferences refused to be part of city committees and regional committees. Understand that after a while you can be in the camp. And this is at best ...

For 1937, about 100 thousand people were excluded from the party (in the first half of the year 24 thousand and in the second half - 76 thousand). In the district committees and regional committees, there were about 65 thousands of appeals that no one had time to consider, since the party was engaged in the process of exposure and exclusion.

At the January plenum of the Central Committee 1938, Malenkov, who gave a report on this issue, said that in some areas the Party Control Commission restored from 50 to 75% of those excluded and convicted.

Moreover, the nomenclature to Stalin and his Politburo at the June Plenum of the Central Committee of 1937, mainly from among the first secretaries, actually gave Stalin an ultimatum: either he approves the lists of repressions "from below", or he himself will be dismissed.

The nomenklatura at this plenum demanded authority for repression. And Stalin was forced to give them permission, but he acted very slyly - he gave them a short time, five days. Of these five days, one day is Sunday. He expected that they would not fit in such a short time.

And it turns out, these bastards already had lists. They simply took lists of those who had served earlier, and sometimes not the kulaks, former white officers and nobles, Trotsky pests, priests, and simply ordinary citizens, classified as class-alien elements. Literally on the second day, telegrams came from the field: the first were comrades Khrushchev and Eiche.

Then his friend Robert Eiche, who was shot for justice in 1939 for all his cruelty, Nikita Khrushchev was the first to be rehabilitated in 1954.

We didn’t talk about bulletins with several candidates at the Plenum: the reform plans were reduced solely to the fact that the Communists would nominate candidates “together” with non-partisan candidates. And in each bulletin from now on there will be one single candidate - for the sake of repulse the intrigues. And in addition - another wordy verbiage about the need to identify the masses of entrenched enemies.

Stalin had another mistake. He sincerely believed that N.I. Yezhov is a man of his team. Indeed, for so many years they worked together in the Central Committee, shoulder to shoulder. And Yezhov had long been the best friend of Evdokimov, an ardent Trotskyist. Over 1937 –38 threes in the Rostov region, where Evdokimov was the first secretary of the regional committee, 12 was shot 445 people, more than 90 thousands were repressed. These are the figures carved out by the Memorial Society in one of the Rostov parks on the monument to the victims of ... Stalinist (?!) repressions. Subsequently, when Yevdokimov was shot, a check was established that in the Rostov region lay without movement and no more than 18,5 thousand appeals were considered. And how many of them were not written! The best party cadres, experienced business executives, the intelligentsia were destroyed ... And what, he was so alone?

Interesting in this regard are the memoirs of the famous poet Nikolai Zabolotsky: “A strange conviction matured in my head that we were in the hands of the fascists, who, under the noses of our government, found a way to destroy the Soviet people, acting in the very center of the Soviet punitive system. I informed this of my guess to an old party member who was sitting with me, and with horror in his eyes, he confessed to me that he himself was thinking the same thing, but he did not dare give anyone a hint about it. And indeed, how else could we explain all the horrors that happened to us ... ".

But back to Nikolai Yezhov. To 1937, the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs, G. Yagoda staffed the NKVD with scum, obvious traitors and those who replaced their work with hack. N. Yezhov, who replaced him, went to the hackers on occasion and during the purging of the country from the "fifth column", in order to distinguish himself, closed his eyes to the fact that the NKVD investigators had brought hundreds of thousands of hack work to people, for the most part completely innocent. (Say, generals A. Gorbatov and K. Rokossovsky were put in jail.)

And the flywheel of the “big terror” with its notorious extrajudicial triples and limits on the highest measure spun. Fortunately, this flywheel was quickly milled and those who initiated the process itself, and Stalin's merit is that he made the most of the opportunities for stripping the highest echelons of power of every kind of shit.

Not Stalin, but Robert Indrikovich Eiche proposed the creation of extrajudicial organs of reprisal, the famous “troika”, of the “Stolypin” type, consisting of the first secretary, the local prosecutor and the head of the NKVD (city, region, province, republic). Stalin was against it. But the politburo has a voice. Well, and the fact that a year later, such a troika leaned against the wall of Comrade Eiche, there is, in my deep conviction, nothing but sad justice.

The party elite really enthusiastically joined the massacre!

And let's look more closely at himself, towards the repressed regional party baron. And, in fact, what were they like, in business, in moral, and in purely human terms? What did they cost as people and specialists? ONLY THE BOW FIRST CLICK, MENTLY RECOMMEND. In short, party members, military, scientists, writers, composers, musicians and all the rest, right up to notable rabbit bosses and Komsomol members ate each other with ecstasy. Who sincerely believed that he was obliged to exterminate enemies, who settled scores. So no need to talk about whether the NKVD was beaten for the noble physiognomy of this or that “innocent victim figure” or not.

The party regional nomenclature has achieved the most important thing: after all, in conditions of mass terror, free elections are impossible. Stalin could not hold them. End of a short thaw. Stalin did not push his block of reforms. True, at that plenum, he said remarkable words: “Party organizations will be exempt from economic work, although this will not happen immediately. It takes time. ”

But, again, back to Yezhov. Nikolai Ivanovich was a man in the "organs" of the new, started well, but quickly came under the influence of his deputy: Frinovsky (former head of the Special Section of the First Cavalry Army). He taught the new Commissar the basics of KGB work directly "at work". The basics were extremely simple: the more enemies of the people we catch, the better. It is possible and necessary to beat, and to beat and drink is even more fun.
Drunk from vodka, blood and impunity, the People's Commissar soon openly “swam”.
He did not particularly conceal his new views from those around him. "What are you afraid of? - He said at one of the banquets. - After all, all power is in our hands. Who we want - we execute, whom we want - we pardon: - After all, we are all. It is necessary that everything from the secretary of the regional committee go under you».

If the secretary of the regional committee was supposed to go under the head of the regional administration of the NKVD, then who, I ask, was supposed to go under Yezhov? With such cadres and such views, the NKVD became mortally dangerous both for the authorities and for the country.

It is difficult to say when the Kremlin began to realize what was happening. Probably around the first half of 1938. But to realize - realized, and how to curb the monster? It is clear that the People's Commissariat of the NKVD had become deadly by that time, and it had to be “normalized”. But how? What, to raise the troops, to bring all the security officers in the yards of management and put a line to the wall? There is no other way, for, barely feeling the danger, they would simply dare power.

After all, the same NKVD was in charge of guarding the Kremlin, so that members of the Politburo would die without even having time to understand anything. After that, a dozen of “washed blood” would be put in their places, and the whole country would turn into one large West Siberian region headed by Robert Eiche. The arrival of the Nazi troops would be perceived by the peoples of the USSR as happiness.

There was only one way out - to put your man in the NKVD. Moreover, a person of such a level of loyalty, courage and professionalism, so that he could, on the one hand, cope with the management of the NKVD, and on the other, stop the monster. Hardly Stalin had a large selection of such people. Well, at least one was found. But what - Beria Lawrence Pavlovich.

Elena Prudnikova is a journalist and writer who has dedicated several books to the research activities of L.P. Beria and I.V. Stalin, in one of the TV programs, said that Lenin, Stalin, Beria were three titans, whom God sent in great mercy to Russia, because, apparently, he still needed Russia. I hope that she is Russia and in our time He will need it soon.

In general, the term "Stalinist repression" is speculative, because Stalin did not initiate them. The unanimous opinion of one part of the liberal perestroika and current ideologues that Stalin, thus, strengthened his power, physically eliminating opponents, is easily explained. These snits are simply judging others by themselves: they have such an opportunity, they will readily devour everyone in whom they see danger.

No wonder Alexander Sytin, a political scientist, doctor of historical sciences, a prominent neoliberal, in one of the recent TV programs with V. Solovyov, argued that in Russia it was necessary to create a DICTATURE OF TEN PERCENTRALS OF THE LIBERAL MINORITY, which then would definitely lead the people of Russia to a bright capitalist tomorrow. He modestly kept silent about the price of this approach.

Another part of these gentlemen believes that allegedly Stalin, who desired to finally turn into the Lord God on Soviet soil, decided to deal with all those who had little or little doubt about his genius. And, above all, with those who, together with Lenin, created the October Revolution. They say that this is why almost the entire Leninist Guard went under the ax, and at the same time the tip of the Red Army, who were accused of never existing conspiracy against Stalin. However, a closer examination of these events raises many questions that cast doubt on this version. In principle, doubts in thinking historians have arisen for a long time. And doubts were sown not by some Stalinist historians, but by those eyewitnesses who themselves disliked "the father of all Soviet peoples."

For example, in the West, the memoirs of the former Soviet intelligence officer Alexander Orlov (Leiba Feldbin), who fled from our country at the end of 30, were published in the West, taking a huge amount of government dollars. Orlov, who was well aware of the “inner kitchen” of his NKVD native, directly wrote that a coup d'état was being prepared in the Soviet Union. According to him, among the conspirators were representatives of the leadership of the NKVD and the Red Army in the person of Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky and the commander of the Kiev Military District Iona Yakir. Stalin became aware of the conspiracy, who undertook a very tough response ...

And in the 80-s in the United States, the archives of the main opponent of Joseph Vissarionovich - Lev Trotsky were declassified. From these documents, it became clear that Trotsky had an extensive underground network in the Soviet Union. Living abroad, Lev Davidovich demanded from his people decisive actions to destabilize the situation in the Soviet Union, up to the organization of mass terrorist actions.
In 90, our archives have already opened access to interrogation protocols of repressed anti-Stalin opposition leaders. By the nature of these materials, by the abundance of the facts and testimony set out in them, today's independent experts reached three important conclusions.

Firstly, the overall picture of a wide conspiracy against Stalin looks very, very convincing. Such testimony was impossible to somehow direct or counterfeit in favor of the "father of nations." Especially in that part where it was a question of military plans of conspirators. This is what the famous historian-publicist Sergey Kremlyov said on this occasion: “Take and read the testimony of Tukhachevsky given by him after his arrest. The admissions themselves in the conspiracy are accompanied by an in-depth analysis of the military-political situation in the USSR of the mid-30-s, with detailed calculations on the general situation in the country, with our mobilization, economic and other opportunities.

The question is, could such testimony be invented by an ordinary investigator of the NKVD who conducted the case of the marshal and who allegedly set out to falsify the testimony of Tukhachevsky ?! No, this testimony, and voluntarily, could only be given by a knowledgeable person who was no less than the level of the Deputy Commissar of Defense, which Tukhachevsky was. ”

Secondly, the very style of the conspiracy’s own hand-made confessions, their handwriting indicated that the people themselves wrote them, in fact voluntarily, without physical influence from the investigators. This ruined the myth that the testimony was rudely knocked out by the force of "Stalin's executioners", although it was so.

Third, Western Sovietologists and the emigrant public, not having access to archival materials, were forced to practically suck out their judgments about the scale of the repressions. At best, they were content with interviews with dissidents who either themselves had passed through the conclusion in the past, or brought stories from those who had gone through the GULAG.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn set the bar in estimating the number of “victims of communism”, declaring 1976 million victims in an interview with Spanish television in 110 year. The ceiling announced by Solzhenitsyn in 110 million was systematically reduced to 12,5 million people of the Memorial Society. However, following the results of 10 years of work, Memorial managed to collect data only about 2,6 of a million victims of repression, which closely approaches the figure voiced by Zemskov almost 20 years ago - 4 million people.

After opening the archives, the West did not believe that the number of repressed was significantly less than the same R. Conquest or A. Solzhenitsyn indicated. In total, according to archival data, 1921 1953 3 was convicted for the period from 777 to 380, of which 642 980 were sentenced to capital punishment. Subsequently, this figure was increased to 4 060 306 people due to 282 926 shot by PP. 2 and 3 Art. 59 (especially dangerous gangsterism) and art. 193 - 24 (military espionage). This includes the basmachi, Bandera, Baltic Forest Brothers and other especially dangerous, bloody bandits, spies and saboteurs washed with blood. There is more human blood on them than water in the Volga. And they are also considered “innocent victims of Stalin’s repression.” And Stalin is accused of all this. (Let me remind you that before 1928, Stalin was not the sole leader of the USSR. And he received full power over the party, the army and the NKVD, he received it only from the end of the year).

The figures at first glance are terrible. But only at first. Let's compare. 28 June 1990 of the year in the central newspapers appeared an interview of the Deputy Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, where he said: “We are literally overwhelmed by a wave of criminality. Over the past 30 years under court, investigation, in prisons and colonies, 38 MILLIONS OF OUR CITIZENS have been around. This is a terrible figure! Every ninth ... ".

So. In the USSR in the 1990 year, a crowd of Western journalists arrived. The goal is to familiarize yourself with the open archives. They studied the archives of the NKVD - they did not believe. They demanded the archives of the People's Commissariat of Railways. Familiarized - it turned out four million. They did not believe. Required the archives of the People's Commissariat of food. Familiarized - turned 4 million repressed. Familiarized with the clothing content camps. It turned out - 4 million repressed. You think that after this, articles with the correct numbers of repressions went in wads in the Western media. Nothing like that. There are still writing and talking about tens of millions of victims of repression.

I would like to note that an analysis of the process called “mass repression” shows that this phenomenon is extremely multi-layered. There are real cases there: on conspiracies and espionage, political trials on steadfast opposition members, cases on the crimes of overreaching regional masters and co-party officials who “swam” from power. But there are a lot of falsified cases: settling accounts in the corridors of power, podsizhivanie service, communal squabbles, writing rivalry, scientific competition, the prosecution of clergy who supported the kulaks during collectivization, the squabbles of artists, musicians and composers.

AND THERE IS A CLINICAL PSYCHIATRY - the meanness of the INVESTIGATORS and the meanness of the donators (four million denunciations were written in 1937-38 years). But what could not be found - so it cases concocted on the instructions of the Kremlin. There are reverse examples - when, by the will of Stalin, someone was taken out of the execution, or even released.

One more thing to be understood. The term "repression" - is the term medical (suppression, blocking) and introduced specifically to remove the issue of guilt. Placed at the end of 30's means innocent, as "repressed." In addition, the term “repression” was introduced into circulation for its use initially with the aim of imparting a corresponding moral tint to the entire Stalin period, without going into details.

The events of 30 showed that the main problem for the Soviet government was the party and state "apparatus", consisting in no small measure of unprincipled, illiterate and greedy co-workers, leading talkers who were attracted to the fat smell of revolutionary robbery. Such a device was extremely inefficient and out of control, that for a totalitarian Soviet state, in which everything depended on the device, it was like death.

Since then, Stalin has made repression an important institution of government and a means of restraining the "apparatus" in check. Naturally, the apparatus became the main object of these repressions. Moreover, repression has become an important tool for state-building.

Stalin suggested that out of the corrupted Soviet apparatus it was possible to make a workable bureaucracy only after a few stages of repression. Liberals will say that this is all Stalin, that he could not, without repression, without pursuing honest people. But here's what American scout John Scott reported to the US State Department about who was repressed. He found these repressions in the Urals in 1937.

“The director of the construction office, who was engaged in the construction of new houses for the workers of the plant, was not satisfied with his salary, which amounted to a thousand rubles a month, and the two-room apartment. Therefore, he built himself a separate house. The house had five rooms, and he was able to furnish it well: he hung silk curtains, put up a piano, covered the floor with carpets, etc. He then began driving around the city in a car at the time (this happened at the beginning of 1937), when there were few private cars in the city. At the same time, the annual construction plan was completed by his office by only about sixty percent. At meetings and in newspapers, he was constantly asked questions about the reasons for such poor performance. He replied that there are no building materials, not enough labor, etc.

An investigation began, during which it became clear that the director appropriated state funds and sold building materials to nearby collective and state farms for speculative prices. It was also found that in the construction company there are people to whom he specifically paid to turn his "affairs".
There was an open, lasting for several days, process, on which all these people were tried. They talked about him a lot in Magnitogorsk. In his accusatory speech at the trial, the prosecutor did not speak about theft or bribery, but about sabotage. The director was accused of sabotaging the construction of housing for workers. He was convicted after he fully admitted his guilt, and then shot. ”

But the reaction of the Soviet people to the cleaning of the 1937 of the year and their position at that time. “Often the workers even rejoice when they arrest some“ important bird ”, a leader whom they for some reason dislike. Workers are also very free to express critical thoughts both in meetings and in private conversations. I have heard how they use the strongest expression, speaking of bureaucracy and the poor performance of individuals or organizations. ... in the Soviet Union, the situation was somewhat different in that the NKVD in its work to protect the country from the intrigues of foreign agents, spies and the onset of the old bourgeoisie was counting on the support and assistance from the population and mostly received them. "

Well, and: “... During the purges, thousands of bureaucrats trembled for their seats. Officials and administrative employees, who had previously come to work at ten o'clock, and left at half past four and only shrugged their shoulders in response to complaints, difficulties and failures, now sat at work from sunrise to sunset, they began to worry about the successes and failures of those in charge. enterprises, and in fact they began to struggle for the fulfillment of the plan, economy and good living conditions for their subordinates, although this had never bothered them so much. ”

Readers who are interested in this question are aware of the continuous groans of the liberals that during the years of the purge "the best people", the smartest and most capable, perished. Scott also hints at this all the time, but, nevertheless, as it were, it sums up: “After the purges, the administrative staff of the entire plant was almost one hundred percent young Soviet engineers. Practically there are no specialists from among the prisoners and foreign specialists have actually disappeared. However, by 1939, most of the units, for example, the Railway Administration and the coke-chemical plant of the plant, began to work better than ever before. ”

In the course of the party's purges and repressions, all prominent party barons, who drank the gold reserves of Russia, bathed with prostitutes in champagne, seized for private use noblemen and merchants' palaces, all the crucified, twisted revolutionaries disappeared like smoke. And it is - FAIR.

But cleaning out the scoundrels of scoundrels from the high cabinets is half the battle, it was also necessary to replace them with decent people. It is rather curious how this problem was solved in the NKVD.

First, the head of the department was a person who was alien to the combs, who had no connections with the capital’s party leaders, but a professional who had been tested in the case, Laurenti Beria.

The latter, secondly, ruthlessly cleared out the compromised security officers,
thirdly, he carried out a radical reduction of staff, sending people to retire or to work in other departments for what seemed to be not mean, but incompetent.

And, finally, the Komsomol conscription to the NKVD was announced when completely inexperienced guys came to the bodies in return for honored pensioners or executed scoundrels. But ... the main criterion for their selection was an impeccable reputation. If the characteristics from the place of study, work, place of residence, on the Komsomol or party line were at least some hint of their unreliability, tendency to selfishness, laziness, then nobody invited them to work in the NKVD.

So, here is a very important point to pay attention to - the team is not formed on the basis of past achievements, professional data of applicants, personal acquaintance and ethnicity, and not even on the basis of the wishes of applicants, but solely on the basis of their moral and psychological characteristics.

Professionalism is a gainful business, but in order to punish any svolot, a person must be completely dirty. Well, yes, clean hands, a cold head and a warm heart - it's all about the young Beri call. The fact is that it was at the end of the 30-s of the NKVD that it became a really effective special service, and not only in the matter of internal cleaning.

The Soviet counterintelligence defeated German intelligence during the war — and this is a great merit of the Beria Komsomol members who came to the authorities three years before the war began.

Cleaning 1937-1939 played a positive role - now no one boss already felt his impunity, the untouchables did not become. Fear did not add insight to the nomenclature, but at least warned her against frank meanness.

Unfortunately, right after the end of the big purge, the world war that started in 1939 did not allow holding alternative elections. Again, the issue of democratization was put on the agenda by Joseph Vissarionovich in 1952 shortly before his death. But after the death of Stalin, Khrushchev returned the leadership of the entire country to the party, never answering. And not only.

Almost immediately after the death of Stalin, a network of special distributors and special rations appeared, through which the new elitist realized their superior position. But besides the privileges of formal, a system of informal privileges was quickly formed. Which is very important.

Since we have touched upon the activities of our dear Nikita Sergeevich, then we will talk about it in more detail. With a light hand or the language of Ilya Ehrenburg, the period of Khrushchev’s rule was called the “thaw”. Let's see, what did Khrushchev do before the thaw, during the “Great Terror”?

There is a February-March plenum of the Central Committee 1937 of the year. It was with him, it is believed, that the great terror began. Here is Nikita Sergeyevich's speech at this plenum: “...It is necessary to destroy these villains. Destroying ten, hundred, thousand, we do business of millions. Therefore, it is necessary that the hand does not flinch, you need to step over the corpses of enemies for the benefit of the people».

But how Khrushchev acted as First Secretary of the Moscow City Committee and the Regional Committee of the CPSU (b)? In 1937-1938 of the 38 top executives of the CIM, only three people survived; of the 146 party secretaries, 136 was repressed. Where he found in the Moscow region 22 000 fists in 1937 year, you can not explain to a sober head. In total for 1937-1938 years only in Moscow and the Moscow region. they personally repressed 55 741 people.

But maybe, speaking at the 20 Congress of the CPSU, Khrushchev was worried that innocent ordinary people were shot? Yes, it was not for Khrushchev to arrest and shootings of ordinary people. His entire report at the 20 Congress was devoted to the accusations of Stalin that he imprisoned and shot prominent Bolsheviks and marshals. Those. the elite. Khrushchev in his report did not even remember about the repressed ordinary people. What kind of people should he worry about, “women still give birth”, but oh, how sorry it was for Lapotnik’s cosmopolitan elite.

What were the motivations for the appearance of a revealing report at the XX Party Congress?

First, not trampling in the mud of the predecessor, hoping for the recognition of Khrushchev in the role of leader after Stalin was unthinkable. Not! After death, Stalin remained a competitor for Khrushchev, whom he had to humiliate and destroy by any means. Kicking a dead lion, as it turned out, is a pleasure - it does not give up.

The second motive was Khrushchev’s desire to return the party to the management of the state’s economic activities. To lead everyone, for no reason, not responding and not obeying anyone.

The third motive, and perhaps the most important one, was the terrible fear of the remnants of the "Leninist Guard" for their actions. After all, they all have hands, as Khrushchev himself expressed it, were stained with blood. Khrushchev and those like him wanted not only to rule the country, but also to have guarantees that they would never be dragged on the rack, whatever they did while in leadership positions. The XX Congress of the CPSU issued them with such guarantees in the form of an indulgence to leave all sins, both past and future. The whole mystery of Khrushchev and his companions is not worth a damn: it is the UNIQUE ANIMAL FEAR AND THE PATIENT SEATING IN THEIR SOULS AND THE PAINFUL THOUGHT OF THE POWER.

The first thing that amazes the de-Stalinizers is a complete disregard for the principles of historicism, which everyone seems to be taught in the Soviet school. No historical figure can be assessed by the standards of our modern era. It should be evaluated by the standards of its era - and nothing else. In jurisprudence they say this: “the law has no retroactive force”. That is, the ban imposed this year cannot apply to last year’s acts.

Here the historicism of assessments is also necessary: ​​it is impossible to judge a person of one epoch by the standards of another epoch (especially the new era that he created with his work and genius). For the beginning of the 20 century, the horrors in the position of the peasantry were so mundane that many contemporaries almost did not notice them. Hunger did not start with Stalin, he ended with Stalin. It seemed like forever - but the current liberal reforms are pulling us back into that swamp, from which we seem to have already gotten through ...

The principle of historicism also requires the recognition that Stalin had a completely different, rather than later, heat of political struggle. It is one thing to maintain the existence of the system (although Gorbachev failed to cope with this), and another to create a new system on the ruins of a country that has been destroyed by the civil war. Resistance energy in the second case is several times greater than in the first.

It should be understood that many of those executed under Stalin themselves were going to seriously kill him, and he hesitated even for a minute - he would get a bullet in the head. The struggle for power in the era of Stalin had a completely different urgency than now: it was the era of the revolutionary "Praetorian Guard" - accustomed to rebellion and ready to change emperors like gloves. Trotsky, Rykov, Bukharin, Zinoviev, Kamenev, and a whole crowd of people accustomed to murder as cleaning the potato claimed supremacy.

For any terror, not only the ruler is responsible before history, but his opponents as well as society as a whole. When the eminent historian L. Gumilev, already under Gorbachev, was asked whether he was angry at Stalin, during which he was in prison, he replied: “But, after all, it was not Stalin who planted me, but colleagues in the department"...

Well, God bless him with Khrushchev and the Twentieth Congress. Let's talk about what the liberal media are constantly cracking, let's talk about Stalin's guilt.
The Stalin liberals are charged with executions of about 700 thousands of people over 30 years. The logic of the liberals is simple - all the victims of Stalinism. All 700 thousands.

Those. at that time there could be no murderers, no bandits, no sadists, no molesters, no crooks, no traitors, no pests, etc. All victims are politically motivated, all are crystal honest and decent people.

Meanwhile, even the analytical center of the CIA "Rand Corporation", based on demographic data and archival documents, calculated the number of repressed in the Stalin era. This center claims to have shot fewer than 700 thousands of people from 1921 to 1953 a year. In this case, the share of those sentenced to the article on the political 58-th article accounts for no more than a quarter of cases. By the way, the same proportion was observed among the imprisoned labor camps.

“Do you like it when you destroy your people for the sake of a great goal?” Continue the liberals. I will answer. PEOPLE - NO, AND BANDITES, THIEVES AND MORAL FRAUDS - YES. But I DON'T LIKE IT anymore when they destroy their own people in the name of filling their pockets with loot, hiding behind beautiful liberal-democratic slogans.

Academician Tatyana Zaslavskaya, a big supporter of the reforms, who at that time admitted to the administration of President Yeltsin, admitted after a decade and a half that in just three years of shock therapy in Russia only middle-aged men died 8 million (!!!). Yes, Stalin stands aside and nervously smoking a pipe. Not finalized.

However, your words about Stalin’s non-participation in the massacre of honest people are not convincing, continue to LIBERALS. Even if we admit this, then in this case he was simply obliged, firstly, to honestly and openly confess to all the people in the lawlessness against innocent people, secondly, to rehabilitate the unjustly affected people and, thirdly, to take measures to prevent similar lawlessness henceforth. Nothing has been done.

Again a lie. Dear. You just do not know the history of the USSR.

As for the first and second, the December plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) 1938 of the year openly recognized the iniquities allowed in relation to honest communists and non-partisans, adopting a special resolution on this occasion, published, by the way, in all central newspapers. The plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), noting "provocations on an all-Union scale," demanded: Expose careerists seeking to excel ... on repression. To expose the skillfully disguised enemy ... of the aspirant, by carrying out measures of repression, to kill our Bolshevik cadres, sowing uncertainty and excessive suspicion in our ranks. "

It was also openly said to the whole country about the harm caused by unreasonable repression at the XVIII Congress of the CPSU (B), which was held in 1939. Immediately after the December plenum of the Central Committee 1938, thousands of illegally repressed people, including prominent military leaders, began to return from prison. All of them were officially rehabilitated, and Stalin personally apologized to some people.

Well, and about, thirdly, I have already said that the NKVD apparatus was probably hardest hit by the repressions, and a significant part was held accountable precisely for abuse of official position, for the massacre of honest people.

What don't the liberals talk about? On the rehabilitation of innocent victims.
Immediately after the December Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) 1938, they began to revise
criminal cases and let out of the camps. It was released: in the 1939 year - 330 thousand,
in 1940 - 180 thousand, before June 1941 still 65 thousand.

What else do not say the liberals. About how to fight the consequences of a big terror.
With the arrival of Beria L.P. to the position of the People's Commissar of the NKVD in November 1938, the 1939 operational officers, or 7372% of their payroll, were fired from the state security organs in 22,9, of which 937 fell behind bars. And since the end of 1938, the country's leadership has brought to court more than 63 thousands of NKVD workers who falsified and created contrived, fake counter-revolutionary cases, OF THOSE EIGHT THOUSANDS were shot.

I will give just one example from the article by Yu.I. Mukhina: "Minutes No. 17 of the Meeting of the VKP (b) Commission on Court Cases". More than 60 photographs are presented there. I will show in the form of a table a piece of one of them. (http://a7825585.hostink.ru/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=752.)

In this article, Mukhin Yu.I. writes: “I was told that this type of documents was never laid out on the Web due to the fact that free access was very quickly forbidden to them. And the document is interesting, and something interesting can be gleaned from it ...».

Curious a lot. But most importantly, it is clear from the article, for which they were shot by the NKVD students, after coming to the post of the People's Commissar of the NKVD L.P. Beria. Read. The names of those shot in the photographs are shaded.

Top secret
P R O T O K O L N 17
Meetings of the Commission of the CPSU (b) on court cases
from 23 February 1940 of the year
Chaired - m. Kalinin M.I.
Present: TT: Shklyar MF, Ponkratyev M.I., Merkulov V.N.

1. Listened to
G ... Sergei Ivanovich, M ... Fedor Pavlovich by the decision of the military tribunal of the NKVD troops of the Moscow military district from 14-15 December 1939, sentenced to death under Art. 193-17 pb of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR for making unjustified arrests of command and Red Army personnel, actively engaged in falsification of investigative cases, conducted them with provocative methods and created fictitious C / R organizations, as a result of which a number of people were shot at the fictitious ones they created materials.
Decreed.
He agrees with the application of the shooting to G.S.I. and M ... F.P.

17. Listened to
And ... Fedor Afanasyevich by the decision of the military tribunal of the NKVD troops of the Leningrad military district from 19-25 in July 1939 was sentenced to death under Art. 193-17 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR because, as an employee of the NKVD, he made massive illegal arrests of citizens of railway workers, falsified interrogation protocols and created artificial K / R cases, as a result of which people were sentenced to be shot over 230 and various the terms of imprisonment are more than 100 people, and 69 people are released from the latter at this time.
Decreed
Agree with the application of the shooting to A ... F.A.

Read? Well, and how are you, my dear Fyodor Afanasyevich? One (one !!!) investigator-forger summed up a man shot by 236. And what, he was the only one, how many such rascals were there? The figure I cited above. That Stalin personally set the tasks for these Fedor and Sergey to kill innocent people? What conclusions can be drawn?

N1 output. Judging the Stalinist time only by repression is the same as judging the activities of the head physician of the hospital only by the morgue of the hospital - there will always be corpses there. If you approach with this measure, then every doctor is a bloody ghoul and murderer, i.e. deliberately ignore the fact that the team of doctors successfully cured and prolonged the lives of thousands of patients and blamed them only on a small percentage of the dead due to some inevitable mistakes of diagnoses or those who died during difficult operations.

The authority of Jesus Christ with Stalin is not comparable. But even in the teaching of Jesus, people see only what they want to see. Studying the history of world civilization, one has to observe how wars, chauvinism, “Aryan theory”, serfdom, and Jewish pogroms justified Christian doctrine. This is not to mention the executions "without shedding of blood" - that is, the burning of heretics. And how much blood was shed during the crusades and religious wars? So, maybe because of this, to ban the teachings of our Creator? Just like today, some specs suggest banning communist ideology.

If we look at the mortality schedule of the population of the USSR, with all our desire, we cannot find traces of "cruel" repression, not because there were none, but because their scale was exaggerated. What is the purpose of this exaggeration and forcing? The goal is to vaccinate a guilt complex to Russians like a German guilt complex after defeat in World War II. Complex "pay and repent." But the great ancient Chinese thinker and philosopher Confucius, who lived for 500 years BC, said then: “Beware of those who want to impose guilt on you. For they crave power over you».

Do we need this? Judge for yourself. When the first time Khrushchev stunned all the so-called. truth about the Stalinist repression, the authority of the USSR in the world immediately collapsed to the delight of the enemies. There was a split in the world communist movement. We quarreled with great China, and TENS OF MILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAVE STARTED FROM THE COMMUNIST PARTIES. Eurocommunism appeared, denying not only Stalinism, but also, terrible, Stalinist economy. The myth of the XX Congress created distorted ideas about Stalin and his time, he deceived and psychologically disarmed millions of people when the question of the fate of the country was being decided. When Gorbachev did it the second time, not only the socialist bloc collapsed, but our Motherland, the USSR, collapsed.

Now Putin’s team is already doing this for the third time: again, it speaks only of repression and other “crimes” of the Stalinist regime. What this leads to is clearly seen in the Zyuganov-Makarov dialogue. They are being told about the development, new industrialization, and they are starting to immediately switch the arrows to repression. That is, they immediately terminate a constructive dialogue, turning it into a quarrel, the Civil War of meanings and ideas.

N2 output. Why do they need it? To prevent the restoration of a strong and great Russia. It is more convenient for them to rule a weak and fragmented country, where people will tear each other by the hair at the mention of the name of Stalin or Lenin. So it is more convenient for them to rob and deceive us. The "divide and conquer" policy is as old as the world. Moreover, they can always dump from Russia where their stolen capital is stored and where children, wives and mistresses live.

N3 output. And why does the patriots of Russia need this? Yes, just another country with us and our children do not. Think about it first, before starting to curse for repression and so on our history. After all, we have no place to throw and retreat. As our victor ancestors said in similar cases: behind Moscow and beyond the Volga there is no land for us!

Only, after the return of socialism to Russia, taking into account all the advantages and disadvantages of the USSR, one must be vigilant and remember Stalin’s warning that as the construction of a socialist state intensifies, the class struggle becomes more acute, that is, there is a threat of rebirth. And so it happened, and among the first, certain segments of the CPSU Central Committee, the VLKSM Central Committee and the KGB were reborn. The Stalinist Party Inquisition was flawed.
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  1. tasha
    tasha 4 August 2017 05: 35
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    Very interesting article. It seemed to me somewhat one-sided. The author, unfortunately, could not resist hanging labels like "democrat-general man", "liberal", "Stalinist" ...
    I will share more. I never have a desire to curse the history of my country. This is history.
    And in history everything repeats itself. Whether a revolution, a coup (to whom, how) are being made with good intentions, by which the way is laid out, it is known where. Almost all Rumats die on the barricades and fields of the civil war, and their place in power is occupied by small-town “kombarons”.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 August 2017 06: 31
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      Quote: tasha
      Very interesting article

      It is interesting as an example of an attempt to launder black- to white.

      Stalin, it turns out, was general democratwanted a democratic secret election. yes But, like all universal people, he was weak and was a toy in the hands of ardent communist dictators who unleashed repression.

      Having become a weak-willed puppet in the hands of executioners, he sobbed, sobbing, signed resolutions on increasing the plan to destroy the country's citizens.

      The country and the suffering grandfather were saved by chance in the person of Comrade. Beria.

      Away from sin, saving the secret elections from new usurper reptiles, which the party bred at the speed of an automaton, he never spent them, and he saved them! yes lol
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 4 August 2017 07: 25
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        a sample of an attempt to wash black - to white.

        Your comment is a good example of the main goal of the “handshakes” - to denigrate the history of the country.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 4 August 2017 07: 52
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          Activities I.V. Stalin and the communist period of the country's development must be evaluated by objective results.
          And these results are super-great:
          - the bastard illiteracy, destroyed by the civil war and foreign intervention, Russia for a period of just over 10 years was turned into a powerful industrial power that withstood the invasion of all of Europe under the leadership of Nazi Germany;
          - illiterate, poor, hungry people turned into a competent society in which they forgot about hunger.
          Yes, they didn’t live richly, but there weren’t hungry people, and this happened after some 10-15 years. It is incomprehensible if you look at the current "achievements" of capitalist Russia.
          And if the imperialists gave us life in peace, without wars and invasions, without interference in our lives ?!
          It is a pity that such truly great people like I.V. Stalin, we had no power after him. Power was captured by political pygmies.
          I.V. Stalin tried to create a working mechanism of democracy in the country, but did not succeed, or maybe he was not given such "reformers" as Khrushchev's bad memory.
          There is no such democracy in present-day Russia, and it cannot exist under capitalism, under the rule of oligarchs and corrupt and comprador officials.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 4 August 2017 07: 57
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            You have given very good examples. But here the hawkers of history in the person of very "liberal-democratic" citizens in their ardent speeches are fixated only on the Gulag and the rest are not of interest to them.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 4 August 2017 08: 58
            +6
            Quote: vladimirZ
            - illiterate, poor, hungry people turned into a literate society in which forgot about hunger.
            Yes, they didn’t live richly, but there were no hungryand it’s in some 10-15 years

            Aren't you ashamed to write this? About 10% of the country's population died of starvation on 21-22, 24-25, 32-33, 47-48 years. Cannibalism, carcass eating, eating fell and surrogates, too, then.

            This in Russia has never happened, and in Africa, it was not.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 4 August 2017 09: 24
              36
              Aren't you ashamed to write this? About 10% of the country's population died of starvation 21-22, 24-25, 32-33, 47-48, - Olgovich

              It’s not a shame for you to lie, and to revise what is written.
              Hunger as a mass phenomenon disappeared in the USSR after collectivization, 1934.
              The result of collectivization is the mass production of marketable bread for the whole country, the disappearance of hunger, including in the countryside, forever, which has never happened in the history of Russia.
              What you write about the "famine 21-22, 24-25, 32-33, 47-48 years" of the phenomenon before the collective farm and post-war, the causes of which are known and corrected by the Soviet government.
              Your position, Olgovich, is a well-known anti-Soviet, and accordingly anti-Russian, anti-Russian, you are an enemy on this site.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 August 2017 13: 22
                +1
                Quote: vladimirZ
                It’s not a shame for you to lie, and to revise what is written.

                You lying: I have no lies!
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Hunger as a mass phenomenon disappeared in the USSR after collectivization, 1934.

                LYING
                Quote: vladimirZ
                about what you write about the "famine 21-22, 24-25, 32-33, 47-48 years" of the phenomenon before the collective farm and post-war, the causes of which are known and corrected by the Soviet government.

                Lies, lies and illiteracy
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Your position, Olgovich, is a well-known anti-Soviet, and accordingly anti-Russian, anti-Russian, you are an enemy on this site.

                I have a RUSSIAN position, you have a Bolshevik position, i.e. ANTIRUS: you built a Russian Russian Cross for Russians.
                Quote: vladimirZ
                You are the enemy on this site.

                fool lol
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 5 August 2017 13: 55
                  10
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  You are lying: I have no lies!

                  How not? Constantly, remind?
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  LYING

                  Yours.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Lies, lies and illiteracy

                  Yours. Flavored by an outspoken Russo-community and anti-Soviet. With links to notorious liars from the West.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  I have a RUSSIAN position,

                  It’s a complete lie, you have an absolutely pro-Western position that is aimed at splitting the inside of the Russian society, and you have demonstrated the declared nationalism here. One of the instruments of the West is the destruction of the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  ANTI-Russian

                  Yours. Here you are more frank than ever.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Russian Cross.

                  The fruits of the rule of your Yeltsin and his crime company.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 5 August 2017 15: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    How not? Constantly, remind?

                    Yes yes
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    LYING
                    Yours.

                    Yours.
                    You [
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Lies, lies and illiteracy
                    Seasoned by a frank Russian community
                    yes
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    It’s a complete lie, you have an absolutely pro-Western position that is aimed at splitting the inside of the Russian society, and you have demonstrated the declared nationalism here. One of the instruments of the West is the destruction of the Russian Federation.

                    fool laughing
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Russian Cross.

                    fool
                    The Russian Cross is 92 years old. Your end is 1991.
                    Created in one year? fool lol
                    Depopulation of the Russian people -from 1964 year! After the "Great October" only 47 years have passed. No one in the world has done such atrocities in relation to ITS.
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                    2. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 5 August 2017 15: 24
                      +7
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Depopulation of the Russian people since 1964!

                      You are really illiterate or, as always, strive to forerun.
                      The causes of depopulation in these years, the war with Hitler, or rather its consequences.
                      Are you all worried about Hitler?
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                    3. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 5 August 2017 16: 43
                      +5
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      You have denied my "lie." So WHERE is the denial? And what?

                      Your myths, gossip, and more.
                      And this is an analysis of your gossip, complete and clear, indicating when and where the lies shoved into society. Including you, the unlucky liar.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH7qJ3mt5M
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                      2. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 6 August 2017 12: 28
                        +4
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        OUR brains to answer, not enough?

                        Enough for yours and watching the video, chewed, rubbed, swallow and do not stumble anymore.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH7qJ3mt5M
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 6 August 2017 13: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Enough for yours and watching the video, chewed, rubbed, swallow and do not stumble anymore.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH7qJ3mt5M

                        Those. , you yourself -Don't! lol laughing lol
                        There is a drug-VA, and all kinds of dietary supplements. Give it a try! lol
                    4. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 5 August 2017 17: 01
                      +9
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Depopulation of the Russian people since 1964! After the "Great October" only 47 years have passed.

                      Trololo. Then lie when the Vlasovsev, stop?
                      Indeed, when you position yourself as an anti-Stalinist, you follow Igor Chubais to the category of Vlossos- “Historian Igor Chubais argues (2016):“ Much of the actions of the leaders of the Vlasov movement, or rather, the protest against Stalinism, are understandable. It is not surprising that the new Russian leaders after 1991 They recognized us for years - we would have had CONRA documents (the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, established by Vlasov with the support of the authorities of the Third Reich) - we would have taken them as the basis for a new political project. Anthem of the ROA, beginning with the words: "We go in broad fields at sunrise in the morning . We are going to battle with the Bolsheviks. For the freedom of our Motherland ... “- I want to listen to more and more” "http://zavtra.ru/blogs/trezubetc_na_fone_tr
                      ikolora_rusofobskij_proekt_vlasov
                      At the expense of the question of depopulation, study the liar.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 6 August 2017 08: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Trololo. Then lie when the Vlasovsev, stop?

                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Trololo. Then lie when the Vlasovsev, stop?
                        Indeed, when you position yourself as an anti-Stalinist, you follow Igor Chubais to the category of Vlossos- “Historian Igor Chubais argues (2016):“ Much of the actions of the leaders of the Vlasov movement, or rather, the protest against Stalinism, are understandable. It is not surprising that the new Russian leaders after 1991 They recognized us for years - we would have had CONRA documents (the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, established by Vlasov with the support of the authorities of the Third Reich) - we would have taken them as the basis for a new political project. Anthem of the ROA, beginning with the words: "We go in broad fields at sunrise in the morning . We are going to battle with the Bolsheviks. For the freedom of our Motherland ... “- I want to listen to more and more” "http://zavtra.ru/blogs/trezubetc_na_fone_tr
                        ikolora_rusofobskij_proekt_vlasov
                        At the expense of the question of depopulation, study the liar.

                        fool lol
                    5. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 5 August 2017 17: 07
                      +6
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Depopulation of the Russian people since 1964! After the "Great October" only 47 years have passed. No one in the world has done such atrocities in relation to ITS.

                      Trololo inetnoe.
                      the answer is
                      http://polit.ru/article/2010/07/12/demoscope417/
                      Well, if mental abilities are low and do not absorb any information other than frankly false, then study this.
                      http://magazines.russ.ru/zvezda/2001/1/baranov.ht
                      ml
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 6 August 2017 09: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        the answer is
                        http://polit.ru/article/2010/07/12/demoscope417/

                        Wonderful article! good We read there:
                        . Already by the early 1960sThe coefficient of the total fertility of urban women has fallen below the level of simple reproduction, although in the rural population it was still relatively high during these years. But it also declined rapidly in the countryside, and in addition, the share of the rural population was rapidly declining, and hence its contribution to the total birth rate. The result of these changes is that in 1964 tototal fertility rate ceased to provide a simple substitution of generations already for the entire population of Russia.
                        The country has entered a period of depopulation

                        Now REPEAT for sat in a puddle lol witness of bolshevism:
                        Olgovich 6 Yesterday, 15:09 ↑

                        Depopulation Russian people since 1964!
                        lol laughing fool
                        I'm from here and wrote!

                        You are ALWAYS in a puddle, because you have FALSE and a desire to pass it off as truth. But, trouble for you, today, in addition to the stupid campaign propaganda that worked for 70 years in comfort, there is and the truth.

                        Now all the time in disputes with other witnesses, I will bring YOUR link indicating its authorardent and furious defender of the commidee.
                        It will be VERY convincing! Well done!good drinks lol
                      2. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 6 August 2017 12: 33
                        +4
                        Chiaym there-
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        By the beginning of the 1960s, the total fertility rate of urban women had fallen below the level of simple reproduction, although in the rural population it was still relatively high in those years. But it also declined rapidly in the countryside, and in addition, the share of the rural population was rapidly declining, and hence its contribution to the total birth rate. The result of these changes was that in 1964 the total fertility rate ceased to provide a simple replacement of generations already for the entire population of Russia.
                        The country has entered a period of depopulation

                        And then we read in the same place, the reason for depopulation, urbanization.
                        Since you do not have enough intelligence to understand that depopulation during industrialization is a regularity, then what can you talk about?
                        And your lies are arranged in such a way, by juggling a quote taken out of context, appropriating your "opinion" to those who absolutely didn’t have what you were doing here.
                        Slack
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Now, all the time in disputes with other witnesses, I will quote YOUR link indicating its author, the Armor, an ardent and furious defender of the commissa.

                        Bring and sit as always in a puddle.
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 6 August 2017 13: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        And your lies


                        again, you didn’t understand what you yourself have done ?! belay fool You have refuted my "lie" about the depopulation of the people since 1964 with an article where this depopulation CONFIRMED and since 1964 i.e. you are all-in e lol
                        further we read there, the reason for depopulation
                        We read further:
                        нand one generation of Russiansborn after 1910 and entering an active reproductive age, starting from the era of the “great turning point”, late 1920s - early 1930sx years did not reproduce itself
                        you see what for crime against the people you have done-NO ONE generation people under your power did not reproduce itself!
                        And your lies are so arrangedon the appropriation of their "opinion", to those who absolutely did not have what you are here to fool. as their opinion

                        Russian is clearly not your native language lol Try again and- in Russian.

                        By the way, why did you disable the ability to answer you? You were taught and poked into YOUR links and you did not find anything better than to RUN!
                        PS You do not read your co-witnesses a little - they DENY this article, and you yourself have gotten into it ... fool
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 4 August 2017 11: 13
              16
              Quote: Olgovich
              This in Russia has never happened, and in Africa, it was not.

              One of the most terrible and large-scale hunger periods in Russia were 1891–1892. Then, by famine, 16 provinces of European Russia (and the province of Tobolskaya in Siberia) with a population of 35 million people were comprehended; Voronezh, Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Samara, Tambov provinces were especially affected. In the Volga region, the eastern regions of the chernozem zone, 20 provinces with a 40 millionth peasant population, suffered from a catastrophic famine. In a less extensive area, but with no less disaster intensity, famine repeated in 1892-1893. Over three and a half million people died of starvation.
              In the XX century. the famine of 1901 struck 17 provinces of the center; according to the report for 1901: "In the winter of 1900/01, 42 million people went hungry, but 2 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls died."
              And in 1911 (already after the so boasted Stolypin reforms): "32 million were starving, 1 million 613 thousand people were lost." Moreover, in each report it was emphasized that the information was compiled on the basis of data supplied by churches, as well as rural elders and managers of landowner estates. And how many deaf villages were there?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 August 2017 13: 49
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                In the XX century. the famine of 1901 struck 17 provinces of the center; according to the report for 1901: "In the winter of 1900/01, 42 million people went hungry, but 2 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls died."
                And in 1911 (already after the so boasted Stolypin reforms): "32 million were starving, 1 million 613 thousand people were lost." Moreover, in each report it was emphasized that the information was compiled on the basis of data supplied by churches, as well as rural elders and managers of landowner estates. And how many deaf villages were there?

                False-NO such reports in nature.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 5 August 2017 13: 58
                  +6
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  False

                  Yours. You have already been caught several times on lies and juggling facts.
                  You remind me of the pathological liar Nikolka Svanidze.
                  http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/dejavu57/post371
                  198784
                  Royal hunger strike.
                  http://vasilii-ch.livejournal.com/100007.html
                2. MrK
                  5 August 2017 17: 33
                  +8
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  False-NO such reports in nature.

                  From the report of Stolypin to Nicholas II in the 1911 year: “32 million starved, 3 million 235 thousand people lost” [Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedia. Ed. 1913 year]. According to various estimates in 1901-1912 years. more than 12 million people died from hunger and its consequences.
                  Or were Brockhaus and Efron the Bolsheviks?
            3. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 4 August 2017 12: 40
              32
              Olgovich Today, 08: 58 ↑
              This in Russia has never happened, and in Africa, it was not.
              Again lying like Trotsky, Amerzosovsky feeding up! The famine was just in Tsarist Russia, about which you so love to write. Yes, in the Republic of Ingushetia there were milk rivers with jelly banks, but only for 5 percent of the population, for the rest it was hunger, poverty, illiteracy and powerlessness. Already 100500 times they have been given data and refutations of your lies, but you are trying with the tenacity of a donkey or a ram to blame your own for anyone but you needless lie! Okay you, you are nobody and you can’t call you in any way, but the fact that Ms. Poklonskaya got the same headbang on you, this is TROUBLE! Yes, she didn’t just appear, but she sits in the State Duma and occupies not a small post, but instead of engaging in her direct duties, she undermines the foundations of the country with her antics. Leads people to idiotic rallies for the glory of the bloody tsar, hiding herself in Crimea from sin away. In fact, this "God forgive me" works to split society and the collapse of Russia, and it gets away with it. I have a feeling that this is a deeply conspiratorial agent of the SBU.
              And about your garbage, Comrade Stalin had long predicted that the wind of history would dispel him and sweep him from his grave and his name!
              1. Geronimo73
                Geronimo73 4 August 2017 16: 10
                +3
                worship is just the fruit of Ukrainian higher education ....
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 August 2017 13: 58
                0
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Again lying like Trotsky, Amerzosovsky feeding up!

                YOU are lying like
                =Diana Ilyina] Amerzosovsky extortion--!

                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                ! The famine was just in Tsarist Russia, about which you so love to write. Yes, in the Republic of Ingushetia there were milk rivers with jelly banks, but only for 5 percent of the population, for the rest it was hunger, poverty, illiteracy and powerlessness.

                NEVER in Russia there was a carnivore, cannibalism and there were no millions of deaths from starvation in the 20th century, only with you.
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Already 100500 times they have been given data and refutations of your lies, but you are trying with the tenacity of a donkey or a ram to blame your own for anyone but you needless lie!

                Bring the data yourself, or else only you
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                with the tenacity of a donkey or a ram
                do in general terms.
                You-
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                no one to call you

                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                And about your garbage, Comrade Stalin had long predicted that the wind of history would dispel him and sweep him from his grave and his name!

                Comrade Stalin NEVER this CRAZY-did not say.
            4. Dead duck
              Dead duck 4 August 2017 17: 42
              15
              Quote: Olgovich
              This in Russia has never happened, and in Africa, it was not.

              Oh?! ... from the evil one, that's all .... yes
              The "Great Depression" of the 29-39 years went through a skating rink in many countries.
              Hunger, unemployment, poverty. Information is freely available.
              In America, the mass of people died of starvation, labor camps, etc. were introduced.
              In Europe, too, "no sugar" was.
              And in tsarist Russia, of course, everything was fine, especially in lean years. request
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 August 2017 14: 18
                0
                Quote: Deadush
                The Great Depression "of 29-39 years passed in a skating rink in many countries.
                Hunger, unemployment, poverty. Information is freely available.

                What information"? From -Soviet Communists lol Even in the USSR, they were ashamed to write that nonsense that they invented today.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 5 August 2017 14: 24
                  +6
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  What information"? From Post-Soviet Communists Even in the USSR, they were ashamed to write that nonsense that they invented today.

                  Again the vicious democratic murzilka flew on the wings of the great liberoid mind

                  personally for you.
                  http://nnm.me/blogs/ruslender/s_lopatnikov_otvety
                  _idiotam /
                2. Dead duck
                  Dead duck 6 August 2017 11: 09
                  +9
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Even in the USSR, they were ashamed to write that nonsense that they invented today.

                  This applies more to you, not to them. hi
                  Moreover, the Communists, and even more so today?! ... wassat
                  Like, you want to say that there was no global economic downturn? fool
                  You still say that the Second World War was not. stop
                3. MrK
                  18 August 2017 16: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  What information"? From Post-Soviet Communists Even in the USSR, they were ashamed to write that nonsense that they invented today.


                  Polish newspaper "New Hour": "In the Hutsul region, the number of starving farms in 1932 reached 88,6%. The property of the Polish landowners in these years reached 37% in the Stanislavsky Voivodeship, 49% in Polesie. On landowners' lands, even in lean years, peasants worked for the 16 or 18 sheaf. In March, it was completely starving around 40 of Kosivsky villages, 12 of Naddvirnyansky villages and 10 of Kolomia counties. ” The newspaper notes: “People swell with hunger and die on the go. Famine is especially fierce in the villages - Perekhresnya, Old Gvizdtsy, Ostrovtsy. Typhoid fever and tuberculosis quickly spread with hunger. ”
                  Prior to the 1929, in Hutsulshchyna, in order to enrich the region, 16000 families of military and civilian Polish colonists were resettled from Poland. They transferred 600 thousand hectares of Hutsul land. ”
                  In another issue of “New Hour” in the article “Report from the Hutsul Region”, the correspondent writes: “Sorry, Hutsul brothers, I didn’t believe your stories about the devastated villages with the“ king-hunger ”, but now in Kolomyia, I have seen for myself.”

                  Lviv newspapers reported that in the Carpathian region, the population of Western Ukraine lives in terrible poverty. There are villages in the Kalush Voivodeship where entire families die out of hunger. After the ban by the Polish government to engage in woodworking in a lean year, the Hutsuls did not have any means of subsistence. The government did not provide any help to the starving. People became extinct families.
                  IN USA. "Few people know ... about five million American farmers (about a million families) at exactly the same time that the banks drove the land out of debt, but were not provided by the US government with either land, work, social assistance, or an old-age pension,” - says the article “The Holodomor in an American way” by Boris Borisov. The author says that one in six American farmers has come under the rink of famine. Deprived of land, their native home and property, people were going nowhere — into the obscurity overwhelmed by mass unemployment and rampant banditry.

                  Millions of Americans were starving. "We replaced our usual favorite food with a more affordable one ... instead of cabbage, we used leaves of shrubs, ate frogs ... my mother and elder sister died within a month ..." (Jack Griffin), the author quotes the child’s authentic memories of those years in American history.
                  In order to objectively cover this topic, I offer excerpts from the book by N. Lativok and E. Mazur - “1932 - 1933 years: famine in Europe and America; 1992 - 2009 years: genocide in Ukraine ”.
            5. uge.garik
              uge.garik 6 August 2017 09: 37
              0
              ... so in the 90s this was not ..?! ... And, the country - was gone ...
            6. michaelruss
              michaelruss 8 March 2020 14: 05
              0
              Learn the story of your masters. This was in the United States during the period 29-32 when they burned grain to prevent further price reductions. At the same time, poor Americans were swollen from hunger in “democratic and fair” America !!!! Killed more than 1 million people.
              The famine in the pre-war USSR was largely a consequence of actions such as Tukhachevsky who poisoned the peasants with poison gas, and the U.S. lived in a palace with swans. And here are such true organizers and performers of repressions — Yehuda, Kogan Berman Pliner Eihsman (look for who this is) and such other “types of victims of repressions 37-38) Stalin shot a lot, for which THANKS. But for some reason, more than 60% of the sitters in the gulag are Russian (Ukrainians are in second place), and the leaders of the NKVD ogpu “triples” and the leaders of the gulag up to the age of 38 are God's chosen ones (now they are called handshakes). So it’s necessary to say that this famine and genocide of nations was organized by Jews. And Stalin, the organizers and performers of this genocide, shot a period from 37-38gg. And that is precisely why, by all sorts of pseudo-historians and fighters “for human rights” (judging by the rights of the Jews judging by their activities) from the “namesakes” of those “unjustifiably repressed” (and who received what they deserve) these years were called the years of the peak of repression. But these “historians” are silent about the fact that the Russians were the most repressed, and the Jews did it. And as always, trying to hide this fact, the Jews attributed the blame for their actions to others.
              AND THE SECOND REASON OF HUNGER is that the USSR was in a complete economic blockade (the initiators of the USA and England) and the development and restoration of industry required equipment and the construction of factories, and the country did not have the opportunity to do this on its own after the civil war. The USSR at the first stage was forced to purchase equipment in the west and invite their specialists. But to pay for “industrialization”, taking into account the “blockade”, they had to pay with gold and works of art and GRAIN .P§S Blockade blockade but loot is above all for our “friends” and for gold they will do everything! But grain was taken from the USSR for other reasons: - they did not give up hope that the Soviet government would not hold out and did everything to help it “fall”. According to them, the export of grain from the USSR grain was to cause hunger and discontent of the people (doesn’t it remind anything?).
              But the USSR had no choice - without large-scale industrialization, the USSR was doomed (for example, the outcome of the war would have been different) and Stalin understood this.
              In general, the famine in the USSR is a consequence of a hopeless situation complicated by the "activities" of the West and such as Tukhachevsky and other God-chosen ones from the inside .;
              And HERE In the USA, the mass hunger that caused death from starvation by more than 1 million people, man-made and meaningful. Between profit and human lives, their God-chosen ones chose profit.
          3. Stanislas
            Stanislas 4 August 2017 14: 34
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            There is no such democracy in present-day Russia, and it cannot exist under capitalism, under the rule of oligarchs and corrupt and comprador officials.
            Is there a democracy in China? Or are there no capitalists? No oligarchs? Then how many and who do we have? I agree about corrupt and comprador officials, but we should have a good understanding of where and at what levels this power is, personifying it first.
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 5 August 2017 14: 33
              +2
              Quote: Stanislav
              Is there a democracy in China?

              Perhaps you think it is in the US? Germany? Japan? No? How is it that ..... after all, this is a "city on a hill", a lamp of dubious civilization. A collection of exceptional.
              Quote: Stanislav
              Or are there no capitalists? No oligarchs?

              In the Russian Federation there is? No? Exactly?
              In the USA, the same Germany France?
              Quote: Stanislav

              I agree about corrupt and comprador officials, but we should have a good understanding of where and at what levels this power is, personifying it first.

              You did not hear the names Gaiser, Serdyukov, Khoroshavin, Vasiliev, Chubais, Belykh?
              Start with yourself. Why with yourself. Because you demonstrate a rare lack of understanding and ignorance of the issue you are trying to judge about China.
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 5 August 2017 21: 46
                0
                Quote: Pancir026
                demonstrate rare misunderstanding and ignorance of the issue
                Judging by the answers, you have trouble not only with China, but with a common culture.
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            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 4 August 2017 18: 56
              10
              They barely won, fighting against the 1st country, Japan did not fight against the USSR, Italy finished its affairs in 42, and there was only one national Germany. - mahoney

              Yes, your knowledge of history "shines".
              Do not take an interest in the Internet what part of the Red Army was diverted in the east of the country, against "peaceful" Japan?
              And how many frozen Italians participated in the decisive battle of Stalingrad?
              And Finland, blocking besieged Leningrad until 1944?
              And did Hungary fight with Germany until the very last days of the war?
              And what about the Romanian armies that occupied the south of Ukraine and fought before 1944?
              You are an illiterate person who knows the history of your country only from the words of your diminutive “grandmothers”. I feel sorry for you.
              The Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War won thanks to the leadership of I.V. Stalin.
              If there weren’t Stalin, but if there was a figure like Khrushchev-Gorbachev-Yeltsin, we would have lost the war. We simply would not be there, the German fascists would annihilate all, occupying our lands under their eastern Reich, leaving a small part as slaves.
              Where are you from .... come from ?!
              1. captain
                captain 4 August 2017 19: 33
                +2
                Dear comrades Leninists, in Russia everything was bad without you, and only you did so well that no one joined the 1991 for your power. There were different things before you, but there has never been such a loss of land and the Russian people in the Russian Empire. You have all successfully given away nationalists of all stripes and now we are reaping the fruits of your rule. You brought up Khrushchev, Brezhnev. Gobachev. Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Gaidar, Nemtsov, Chubais and the like. You have destroyed the country that our people have been gathering for centuries. For the 75 years of your reign, you have fulfilled the task of the Americans to break up Russia. Look at the map of the alleged borders of Russia, which the Americans brought to Paris in 1919, to the conference on the results of the 1 World War. Well done, follow the instructions of the bosses.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 5 August 2017 05: 35
                  +9
                  You all successfully gave away nationalists of all stripes ...
                  You brought up Khrushchev, Brezhnev. Gobachev. Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Gaidar, ...
                  You have destroyed the country that our people have been gathering for centuries.
                  For 75 years of your reign, you have fulfilled the task of the Americans on the collapse of Russia. - captain

                  captain, do not bother to pour out your bile, it does not work.
                  The fact that you listed is not the "merit" of the Communists, it is the activities of traitors in power, who have always had enough in Russia, and now they are full, handing over our country in bulk and retail.
                  If you are at least a little interested in history not from fiction books, and not from the opus of traitors like Rezun, Solzhenitsyn and other villains, you should not emotionally, but objectively evaluate the historical course of development of our country.
                  And he is like this: these are the Communists - the Leninists in 1917-1922 gathered the ruined former imperial empire, revived, strengthened it, gave the people light in life, prepared the people and the state for the inevitable attack of the enemy, who dreamed of invading Russia forever. And not only prepared, but the Communists were also a cementing link in this difficult war, won the Greatest Victory.
                  After the war, at unprecedented times, under the leadership of the Communist Party, they revived the cities and villages destroyed by the war, factories and factories, mastered space, created a nuclear shield that still protects us from the pacifying enemy of the United States and the West.
                  Yes, the traitors who entered the leadership of the Communist Party did a dirty deed, on the instructions of the enemy destroyed our state and socialism, plunged the people into slavery of capitalism, giving the country and people to plunder the eternal enemy of the West, but this was not done by the Communist Party, this was done by the campaign of traitors of renegades enemies of the people.
                  And therefore, in no way can you confuse the affairs of traitors, enemies of the people and socialism, with the activities of the Communist Party itself.
              2. mahoney
                mahoney 5 August 2017 00: 05
                +1
                If you consider Romanians, etc. Strong opponents during WWII, add Vlasov and other anti-Soviet leaders here. So consider all won)

                Quote: vladimirZ
                You are an illiterate person who knows the history of your country only from the words of your diminutive “grandmothers”. I feel sorry for you.

                Call bergamot or not, it’s definitely not your business, believe me, I’ll be much more competent))

                Quote: vladimirZ
                The Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War won against the leadership of I.V. Stalin.

                fixed so it will be correct.
                Quote: vladimirZ
                If there weren’t Stalin, but if there was a figure like Khrushchev-Gorbachev-Yeltsin, we would have lost the war. We simply would not be there, the German fascists would annihilate all, occupying our lands under their eastern Reich, leaving a small part as slaves.

                For more than ten years, the "great leader" has been preparing the country for war, and what is the result?
                The most powerful tank army was carried by the tanks of the first world))) FOR ONE YEAR!
                I am sure that even the whites would not have allowed such a shame for themselves, but would have shot themselves like real officers ..
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 5 August 2017 05: 12
                  10
                  The most powerful tank army was carried by the tanks of the first world))) FOR ONE YEAR! - mahoney

                  Ha ha ha Touched by the living, warrior! Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
                  This Russian, Soviet in 1945 celebrated the Victory led by I.V. Stalin, not the Germans in Moscow.
                  All of Europe worked for Hitler in World War II, and we defeated them, smashed them to shreds, and this infuriates you.
                  Enrages you and the mention of our Supreme Commander I.V. Stalin, because led by him, the Soviet people won the Great Victory.
                  You are “more literate than me,” you don’t even understand that “for more than ten years,” the great leader “prepared the country for war”, starting with a completely destroyed civil war and the country's intervention, practically zero industry, creating an industrial miracle unprecedented in the world - in 10 years creating a second world industrial power that withstood the blow of the whole of Europe, led by fascist Germany.
                  It is useless to communicate with you, you can’t prove anything stupid and illiterate, only you should not waste time.
                2. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 5 August 2017 14: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: mahoney
                  Call bergamot or not, it’s definitely not your business, believe me, I’ll be much more competent))

                  judging by your "bergamot" writings, it’s not necessary to say that you are literate.
                  Quote: mahoney
                  fixed so it will be correct.

                  From the point of view of an illiterate, yes, you have a different role to play, to show complete misunderstanding of both the stories and roles in the history of any of the leaders, it does not matter what they were called at any time period in the history of Russia
                  Quote: mahoney
                  The most powerful tank army was carried by the tanks of the first world))) FOR ONE YEAR!
                  I am sure that even the whites would not have allowed such a shame for themselves, but would have shot themselves like real officers ..

                  Your white, confidently fought in the ranks of the Nazi horde. Consequently, who are you? Choose a name to your taste ..
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 6 August 2017 16: 19
                    +4
                    Particularly amused by the "tanks of the first world."
                    Here is the level of competency. What can be argued with such "birch".
            2. Pancir026
              Pancir026 5 August 2017 14: 00
              +4
              Quote: mahoney
              They barely won, fighting against the 1st country, Japan did not fight against the USSR, Italy finished its affairs in 42, and there was only one national Germany. And so everyone who could help the USSR.

              Did the "grandmothers" tell you this?
              Quote: mahoney
              It was lucky that such "great leaders" were no longer in modern history, otherwise only historical notes would have remained from the Russians

              Your leaders from Krasnov to Vlasov and Yeltsin with Shkuro and Nikolka who is second? Useless people.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 4 August 2017 08: 52
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Your comment is a good example of the main goal of the “handshakes” - to denigrate the history of the country

          Have you read the article? Everything mine is from there! yes
          History cannot be blackened or whitened: it is what it is.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 4 August 2017 10: 09
            18
            [quote = Olgovich] [/ quote]
            History cannot be blackened or whitened: it is what it is.

            You write nonsense. History is also denigrated, such as you are rewritten, as in the West. Yes, only the truth will strike the road. And throw out vile, dirty perverts.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 5 August 2017 14: 54
              0
              You
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              You write nonsense
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 5 August 2017 15: 27
                +3
                Quote: Olgovich
                You
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                You write nonsense

                No, just the truth. You see, "like a breath in a goiter." "That's what the life-giving cross does!"
                When was he cleansed, parasite?
      2. sdv68
        sdv68 4 August 2017 09: 17
        14
        Quote: Olgovich
        It is interesting as an example of an attempt to launder black- to white.


        Do not wash anything. It’s only necessary to remove alluvial crap (from the late 50s to the present). If you are such a specialist in repression, then answer a simple question. Why did the “great terror" that Stalin was always blamed for, during his 30 years of rule, occurred only once - during a little more than one year - from the second half of the 37th to November 38th. If (from your words) the repressions were Stalinist, and he acted as the very same “dog that you can’t wash off to white,” then why were there no more repressions like this before the 37-38th?


        Quote: Olgovich
        The country and the suffering grandfather were saved by chance in the person of Comrade. Beria.


        Yeah and all comrade Beria did in spite of the "bloody tyrant." He turned off the repressions, began rehabilitating the innocently repressed, punished the presumptuous executioners .... And all "contrary". laughing laughing laughing
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 August 2017 14: 58
          0
          Quote: sdv68
          Do not wash anything. All you need to do is remove the shit (from the end) 50's/at)

          And how many years of SLOOP do you have? fool
          Quote: sdv68
          why the "big terror" that is always blamed on Stalin, during the 30 years of his reign, happened only once - during a little more than one year - from the second half of the 37th to November 38th.

          You are talking nonsense: dispossession with millions of victims, collectivization, cannibal island nazino and so on. This is BEFORE great terror.
          Quote: sdv68
          Yeah and all comrade Beria did in spite of the "bloody tyrant"

          Why contrary? Grandpa was for yes
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 5 August 2017 16: 00
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            dispossession with millions of victims, collectivization, the island of the cannibals Nazino, etc., is BEFORE great terror.

            Olgovich, it is clear that in Moldova wine is drunk instead of water, yes plus the sun is beaming, but is it worth it to yourself, how are you doing here to bring to a frenzy?
            Protect your health. tongue laughing
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 6 August 2017 16: 20
              +2
              It’s useless. There is a block.
          2. sdv68
            sdv68 8 August 2017 10: 30
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            And how many years of SLOOP do you have?


            I don’t know, but I have all 70 years of Soviet power. Well. mb except for the treachery of the apartparty and the collapse of the Union.

            Quote: Olgovich
            dispossession with millions of victims, collectivization, the island of the cannibals Nazino


            1. If the fists (by the way, the world-eating fist is a term from the tsarist past) did not begin to “defend their own”, but obeyed the law, then there would have been nothing. For example, my grandmother (from the middle peasants) was one of the first in the village to join a collective farm, and my great-grandfather remained a private trader with his own apiary and no one dispossessed him, didn’t shoot him, and did not exile him. T.ch. to say that it was a "state policy" - SHAPPY TO LIE. If there were "excesses", then they are completely and completely on the local authorities.

            2. I read about Nazino. But all the articles are too emotional and none of them have real links to documents. T.ch. to say who is there and what is to blame - it will be likened to the triples you so unloved.

            Quote: Olgovich
            Why contrary? Grandpa was for


            And why would this "bloody tyrant" turn off the terror and begin rehabilitation ????? Are you actually out of your mind?
      3. zenion
        zenion 4 August 2017 13: 29
        +2
        The country was saved by Mechny and Yeltsin. Now she is being dashed. It’s not clear why they have seized on the old? The old is gone and will not return. Is everything all right now, that there is nothing more to do, how to recall what happened ?!
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 5 August 2017 17: 33
          +1
          “The country was saved by Mechny and Yeltsin” - apparently for the salvation of Israel such odious personalities are needed, Yeltsin is dead, and appoint Gorbachev as prime minister!
      4. George Teptin
        George Teptin 5 August 2017 15: 44
        +1
        Before proceeding with feces, answer:
        Academician Tatyana Zaslavskaya, a big supporter of the reforms, who at that time admitted to the administration of President Yeltsin, admitted after a decade and a half that in just three years of shock therapy in Russia only middle-aged men died 8 million (!!!). Yes, Stalin stands aside and nervously smoking a pipe. Not finalized.

        How does this fit with your writings?
      5. Pancir026
        Pancir026 5 August 2017 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        democracy and saved!

        You are not our guardian, for democracy.
        Especially for you. Chewed. Swallow.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH7qJ3mt5M
        however, judging by the fact that you suffer from amnesia and don’t remember your own words, I’ll remind you that your brachology and “not having eaten bread” are malicious bullshit, it’s written down the branch where you draw your dubious qualities of “fact and argument”
      6. martau
        martau 9 August 2017 10: 13
        +1
        Name at least one country where there was no repression, or something like that.
      7. ava09
        ava09 9 August 2017 16: 01
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        It is interesting as an example of an attempt to launder black- to white.

        It is not for nothing that jokes about Moldovans were circulating in the Union ...) You are a bright character from them, have little kaleidoscopic thinking, and you are also a Russophobe.
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 4 August 2017 06: 32
      34
      About one-sidedness you are not right.
      In the article, everything is very honest and evidence-based. The success of the SOVIET UNION is that all funds were allocated for the development of the country. By the way, and during the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, nationwide support for the course AND IN STALIN led to the GREAT VICTORY.
      Today, as soon as the thieves began to be punished, so many groans about * repression *. The thief-governor and his accomplices were planted so immediately about * repression * and a bunch of good intentions trying to * smear * the thief. This is especially pronounced in the environment of the so-called * creative * figures. What is their mutual responsibility? Or are they all * in one world oiled *?
      Especially * they are * touched * by the appeals of home-grown liberal democrats to the * world community * or * civilized countries *, for protection from prosecution in CRIMINAL cases.
      1. tasha
        tasha 4 August 2017 06: 43
        +3
        In the article, everything is very honest and evidence-based. The success of the SOVIET UNION is that all funds were allocated for the development of the country.

        1. Country development is good. The direction of development must be chosen correctly.
        2. SUCCESS? Where is the Soviet Union now?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 August 2017 08: 16
          30
          Quote: tasha
          2. SUCCESS? Where is the Soviet Union now?

          We still have a Civil War going on with the division into “red” and “white”. In such circumstances, the country, the people, will never unite. Today's “Sytsins-Gozmans” are the direct heirs of the “Khrushchev”, who want to criticize the authorities, and to mud people. But at the same time, staying “clean” aside is a sort of today's caste of the “mind, honor and conscience” type of today's Russia. The basis of such a cowardly-rash position is the desire to drink sweet and eat deliciously and not to answer for anything.
          1. tasha
            tasha 4 August 2017 08: 23
            +2
            I did not understand the essence of your comment regarding mine. Please explain.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 August 2017 08: 55
              +8
              Quote: tasha
              Please explain

              T.N. the "party nomenclature" did not want to work hard, turning the upper echelons of power into a "party bunker", completely isolating itself from the needs of the people, considering its role as "leading," leading "... Anything but irresponsible.
              Today, yesterday’s party opportunists, left without a free feeder, "repainted" in the neo-liberals. But they still keep the party card in the caches - what if the "red" ones come? wassat Vona Zyuganich - Tokma is ready to broadcast to the public. But what kind of communist is he?
              And the party nomenclature was replaced by their spiritual heirs, who passed the "severe school" of the Komsomol asset. Descendants of the “Bukharik” embodying its slogan “Get rich!” Bukharov and others like him left the mortal land at one time, because before calling for wealth, their pack "worked" under the slogan "Rob the loot."
        2. sdv68
          sdv68 4 August 2017 13: 50
          +6
          Quote: tasha
          1. Country development is good. The direction of development must be chosen correctly.


          If the direction were not right, now in the territory of modern Russia there would be a third, fourth (or whatever) reich, and you would have labored on the Fritz, and would have dreamed of drinking the Bavarian (between the cries of the overseer).

          Quote: tasha
          2. SUCCESS? Where is the Soviet Union now?


          He was betrayed. Betrayed the party elite. And what remains is living in modern Russia. If it were not for his achievements, Russia would not have been on the maps of the world. She would be torn in the manner of Yugoslavia.
          1. tasha
            tasha 4 August 2017 14: 01
            +2
            If the direction was ...

            Shame on you. You have just deprived more than a dozen science fiction writers of the Alternative History section of a faithful piece of bread. wink Let them write about if, yes if only ..
            1. sdv68
              sdv68 9 August 2017 09: 37
              0
              Quote: tasha
              Just now you have deprived more than a dozen science fiction writers of the Alternative History section of a faithful piece of bread


              In this you are right. I myself do not like an alternative story, but if you do not understand what I wrote, I can decipher it for you in terms of the existing story.

              Fidelity to the direction of the Stalinist course shows that the Soviet Union won the Great Patriotic War, and not Germany.

              How does this wording suit you?

              1. tasha
                tasha 9 August 2017 09: 58
                0
                Such a yes. But not at all
                Now in the territory of modern Russia there would be a third, fourth (or whatever further) Reich
                and especially
                and you would have labored on the Fritz, and in your dreams would have drunk Bavarian (between the cries of the overseer).

                We will ask ourselves the question of the likelihood of such a Stalinist course in which the Great Patriotic War would not have happened at all?
                1. sdv68
                  sdv68 11 August 2017 12: 40
                  0
                  Quote: tasha
                  Such a yes. But not at all


                  So it's the same thing, only in other words.


                  Quote: tasha
                  We will ask ourselves the question of the likelihood of such a Stalinist course in which the Great Patriotic War would not have happened at all?


                  Give it a try. I think it’s unlikely that you will succeed, because Hitler determined his “interests in the east” long before he became Chancellor.
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 11 August 2017 14: 02
                    +1
                    So it's the same thing, only in other words.

                    You think? Interestingly, but in this version, who do you see yourself? Beloved patsak Gauleiter of an area? wink Feel the difference?

                    Try

                    What for? Do it yourself. You get to write that
                    you would have labored on the Fritz, and in your dreams you would have drunk Bavarian (between the cries of the overseer).
                    . So suppose that in some version of the war there was no ..
        3. Ulan
          Ulan 6 August 2017 16: 24
          +2
          The Soviet Union, Soviet power, Socialism, is an instrument, and it’s not a problem of the instrument that instead of Paganini, the janitor Nikifor played it.
          It was the illiterate and irresponsible performers who ruined the project.
          You know the driver’s proverb, it wasn’t in the bobbin, ..... he was in the cab.
          This is the reason for the collapse of the USSR, and not because it did not have the potential for development.
          He was and was huge.
          Until now, ALL republics of the former USSR exist at the expense of it.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 4 August 2017 08: 36
        11
        * creative * figures. What is their mutual responsibility?
        hit the point, it’s worth touching any actor or pop singer, the howl will immediately rise.
    3. Vend
      Vend 4 August 2017 10: 50
      +1
      "Stalinist repression" is a term, like "Kievan Rus", created to refer to a certain period in the history of Russia.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 August 2017 12: 48
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        "Stalinist repression" is a term, like "Kievan Rus", created to refer to a certain period in the history of Russia.

        "This role is abusive and I ask you not to apply it to me!" ("Ivan Vasilievich .....")
        1. Vend
          Vend 4 August 2017 13: 00
          +2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Wend
          "Stalinist repression" is a term, like "Kievan Rus", created to refer to a certain period in the history of Russia.

          "This role is abusive and I ask you not to apply it to me!" ("Ivan Vasilievich .....")

          This term was created before us. Khrushchev introduced this term, the communist ЕПРСТ.
          1. sdv68
            sdv68 4 August 2017 13: 52
            +3
            Quote: Wend
            Khrushchev coined the term


            More precisely translated the arrows, because his hands were elbow-deep in blood. And as he became in power, he immediately rehabilitated his accomplice-executioners, such as Eikhe.
          2. George Teptin
            George Teptin 5 August 2017 15: 49
            0
            This term was created before us. Khrushchev introduced this term, the communist ЕПРСТ.

            Not a Communist, but a "Member of the Party."
            Do not confuse white with sour!
            1. Vend
              Vend 7 August 2017 09: 48
              +1
              Quote: George Teptin
              This term was created before us. Khrushchev introduced this term, the communist ЕПРСТ.

              Not a Communist, but a "Member of the Party."
              Do not confuse white with sour!

              And what is a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is not a communist? Then who?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 4 August 2017 11: 12
      +5
      The question of Soviet Power without the Communists arose as far back as the "Kronstadt rebellion." The peoples of the USSR were not against the Union, but were against the dominance of the power of the party nomenclature, which was used by its separate part, easily repainted as a bourgeois. Inadvertently, the basic law of every revolution is to cut out the entire former elite. And the descendants of the "remnants" and now rule Russia. This tribe is very tenacious.
    5. Marat Nailievich
      Marat Nailievich 5 August 2017 13: 21
      0
      If you do not understand the Russian language, refer to the dictionaries. The words revolution and coup have a clear definition
    6. AUL
      AUL 5 August 2017 19: 59
      0
      Of course, these boyars are bad, and the king is good. And now just the same.
    7. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 10 August 2017 00: 08
      0
      And you, for starters, conduct a survey on VO, who knows who Rumata is?
      Well, maybe 10 people will answer ... well, young growth will catch up, scoring in a search engine ...
      It’s always difficult to be God, and Rumata couldn’t, he went over the corpses ...
  2. EvgNik
    EvgNik 4 August 2017 05: 36
    21
    Yes, we simply and our children do not have another country.

    Exactly what not. And if this bacchanalia of robbery of the people and resources continues, then it may not be. Just disappear.
  3. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 August 2017 05: 40
    +5
    It is time to knock out all this “leaderism” and organize local self-government according to the type of Novgorod Veche.
    The meaning of all these Stalin, Brezhnev and Yeltsin is that when these bonzes die, then the new "come in" or whatever you call it, begins to drown all the affairs and affairs of the old "tsar." The country and the Russian people at this moment are experiencing terrible stress .
    And so, don’t feed the Stalinists or anti-Stalinists --- just let me argue whether this character of our history was good or bad. The arguments on both sides are usually very weighty and extremely convincing. But all these disputes obscure the glaring present. But Russia faces very serious challenges ... I won’t enumerate them. Everyone already knows everything perfectly and wisely understands. And it’s as if they specially palm off this historical decay.
    1. tasha
      tasha 4 August 2017 06: 07
      23
      It is time to knock out all this “leaderism” and organize local self-government according to the type of Novgorod Veche.

      A good thought .. But ... Have you ever attended a meeting of some HOA? Especially when it comes to community service or fundraising? wink
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 07: 26
        +5
        Quote: tasha
        But ... Have you ever attended a meeting of some HOA?

        good The booth is excellent! laughing
        I repeat, but still the monarchy is the best form of government. Even Stalin was essentially a red monarch, but a Byzantine-type monarch — he took power, not inherit. Putin is essentially the same autocrat, and the same Byzantine type. Russia needs heredity so that there is no squabble for power. The probability that the inheritance of power will go to the duck is lower than under "democracy." If you look at the list of Russian tsars, and the list of presidential leaders after 1917, you will notice that there were only a few illiquid tsars, and there was only one Stalin among the presidential leaders.
        P.S. The only problem is where to get the ancestor of the dynasty! laughing
        1. tasha
          tasha 4 August 2017 07: 50
          +8
          Hello, hi
          there is one significant flaw in the hereditary monarchy - sooner or later a person will receive power, not for personal qualities, but just like that, having been born in the right family. Once the pope of the monarch felt good, and then the whole country felt bad ... laughing
          Repeat wink. I believe that people with the qualities necessary for the state should be allowed to participate in the elections. The selection of candidates to conduct publicly, with the involvement of psychologists, physicians, scientists and in general. As an astronaut, in short. A more radical form of selection is a certain index of a citizen - formed during the whole life of a person based on his achievements and personal qualities. Those having an index above a certain threshold can claim power.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 07: 59
            +3
            Quote: tasha
            Once the pope of the monarch felt good, and then the whole country felt bad ...

            Under other forms of government were better? Especially after the 91st? belay Even Nikolashka wins in comparison with Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Although not - with Gorbachev on the same level. Power is always a lottery, but with a hereditary monarchy, the likelihood of erupting everything is lower. request
            Quote: tasha
            with the involvement of psychologists, doctors, scientists

            This is ideal, but in reality it will be different. Corruption of these will begin. As of now - we have an “honest and not biased” supreme court and central election commission.
            1. tasha
              tasha 4 August 2017 08: 06
              +2
              Power is always a lottery, but with a hereditary monarchy, the likelihood of erupting everything is lower.

              Imagine that the monarch prepared for himself an heir. From childhood he brought him up in various ways, and then the heir went to the monastery. We must look among the nephews .. Those. there must be many heirs so that the stock is. Years later ... according to Darwin's theory, a monarch will be a person with huge testicles and a wife, with powerful hips, giving birth to heirs as if from a machine gun. Or harem wink
              This is ideal, but in reality it will be different.

              This is what we need to work on. It’s just that the number of candidates for selection is greater than under the monarchy. How will the monarch choose who will replace him?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 08: 14
                +5
                Quote: tasha
                Or harem

                Oh, dreams ..... repeat
                The monarchy of all the advantages and disadvantages has one huge plus - a stable attitude to power (and the country) as a family property, and not as a temporary feeding trough. request
                1. tasha
                  tasha 4 August 2017 08: 19
                  +1
                  My neighbor drank family property - a TV .... While my wife at work was taken to a pawnshop. "Kem volost, let them take it away" wink

                  And by logic. If under the king all his subjects are his children, then let him choose from all, and not just from his neighbors ...
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 08: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: tasha
                    My neighbor drank a family property - a TV ...

                    Ayah-yay, why immediately to the extremes. stop And anyone can drink property, and a temporary worker will do it with a greater degree of probability. (Yeltsin, for example)
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 4 August 2017 08: 33
                      +4
                      I agree about the extremes.
                      Corruption of these will begin
                      ... Ai-yayayayay ... wink
                      Since we are talking about probabilities, what do you think? Where is it more likely to choose an apple tastier - from one basket, or from a ton of apples that have already been selected? That is my main point. And the task is to select people in the most effective and less biased way.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 12: 17
                        0
                        Quote: tasha
                        ... Ai-yayayayay ...

                        About corruption is not extremes, it is a life experience. Even under the Union, when Stalin’s strong hand disappeared, the general corruption of the authorities began. Dialectics. hi
                      2. alatanas
                        alatanas 4 August 2017 15: 16
                        +1
                        The question is, who will choose? If the elector is not good, at least a basket, at least a ton ...
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 4 August 2017 08: 50
            +1
            people with the qualities necessary for the state are allowed.
            They will tell you about the right people on TV, and some fighter with privileges will crawl through.
          3. Stanislas
            Stanislas 4 August 2017 14: 08
            0
            Quote: tasha
            there is one significant flaw in the hereditary monarchy - sooner or later, a person will receive power, not for personal qualities, but just like that, having been born in the right family ... The selection of candidates should be carried out publicly, with the participation of psychologists, doctors, scientists and in general
            You are drawing some ideal community of experts, which is obviously intended to replace the family education and special training of the monarch. I must say, a weak replacement, no. The power in your project will certainly get a person not for the ability to manage the state, but just like that, being at the right time in the right place.
            1. tasha
              tasha 4 August 2017 18: 53
              +1
              Which is intended, obviously, to replace the family education and special training of the monarch.

              No, no and NO. Absolutely not ... Not at all obvious and not at all like that. Well, imagine that people are going to deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation with an IQ of at least 120. Will it be worse? Or, do you want to become a candidate for deputy? - pass the exam in the Russian language. Here you have a month to prepare and go ... And I simplified it. Have you read Heinlein?
              Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin - he also passed the selection. And which! The first man in space! And look, because 150% hit! And is there really no way to choose people in the 21 century?
              1. tasha
                tasha 4 August 2017 19: 11
                +1
                I will add. I propose that only those candidates who meet certain criteria may be eligible for election. Need filters. An example of the simplest thing is that the president must be a citizen of the country. And so on...

                To appoint me as the High Priest, Dear Guru, Outstanding Leader, Supreme Ruler and Authoritative Advisor and in general. Friday, however .... wink
        2. igor67
          igor67 4 August 2017 09: 00
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          P.S. The only problem is where to get the ancestor of the dynasty!

          hi namesake. and Romanov did not please you drinks
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 12: 18
            0
            Quote: igor67
            hi namesake. and Romanov did not please you

            Hello my friend! drinks Sanya Romanov what? So he will give the floor of Siberia for a good viskar! laughing
            1. igor67
              igor67 4 August 2017 12: 45
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              By the way V.I. Lenin strongly opposed the reckless increase in the number of party members, which later became involved in the CPSU, starting with Khrushchev. In his work, “The Children's Disease of Leftism in Communism,” he wrote: “We are afraid of the party’s excessive expansion, for careerists and crooks who deserve only to be shot will inevitably cling to the party”.

              By the way V.I. Lenin strongly opposed the reckless increase in the number of party members, which later became involved in the CPSU, starting with Khrushchev. In his work, “The Children's Disease of Leftism in Communism,” he wrote: “We are afraid of the party’s excessive expansion, for careerists and crooks who deserve only to be shot will inevitably cling to the party”. doesn’t resemble anything buddy? I apologize for some reason the comment was duplicated. I haven’t drunk it yet
            2. tasha
              tasha 4 August 2017 19: 13
              +2
              Can I fit in? Romanov is not allowed - he once chased me and threw warnings. There is no universal mercy and understanding in him ...... wink
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 4 August 2017 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: tasha
          But ... Have you ever attended a meeting of some HOA?

          I repeat, but still the monarchy is the best form of government. Even Stalin was essentially a red monarch

          Nonsense. "Died, died so." And here is democracy?
          First Dictatorship and Oprichnina!
          First, you need to restore order in the house. Selling with .. beef pro-Western increase.
          And then ....
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 August 2017 12: 19
            +1
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Selling with .. beef pro-Western increase.
            And then ....

            And who will output it? Dima Medvedev or what?
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 4 August 2017 12: 34
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Selling with .. beef pro-Western increase.
              And then ....

              And who will output it? Dima Medvedev or what?

              And what about Medvedev? The dictator will output. Do you have Medvedev in line with dictatorship?
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 August 2017 08: 24
        +5
        Alas, no, I didn’t have to attend. I’m a single-handed fist (I live in a house built by my ancestors in the late 40s. The plant (with the capital letter: unfortunately, the Plant was and now is not) so decided the housing issue of its toilers and helped build up almost in the geographical center of the city. 40 yards were erected together, settled and mixed up: sections of shop managers were adjacent to sections of the best turner-machine operators, for example, they didn’t know about the mortgage))) The plant was a completely independent entity in terms of organization cultural recreation for factory workers and in vocational training for themselves of workers in engineering and engineering specialties. Unless there was no police of their own (although the duty in the People’s Druzhina was put up correctly)))) In a word, the colossus was and produced not only important things for the country's defense, but it also formed a social space around itself with all kinds of camp sites and trade union trips there in many beautiful corners of the USSR.
        Why am I making such a departure from your soap? I don’t know, it inspired. The decision friction is NORMAL! My grandfather said that at meetings with the director they sometimes yelled at each other hoarsely, almost beaten with decanters on the head, but in these heated debates the only right, rational decisions were worked out, without which fulfilling the tasks of the party and government (without any irony) would have been impossible and accurate on time. So you probably in the HOA: surely the interests of one of the tenants are affected, but the neighbors in order to come to some kind of compromise. In a word, I have such an ambiguous attitude towards the USSR --- I admire his social policy, but I didn’t bring leadershipism and led to the descent of the red banner from the country's main flagpole .... So and in the heart of everyone who found those times there is a non-healing wound in the heart. Even if he cuts an oligarch on a yacht now, this is our Soviet man, but having gained a lot he lost something more.
        After all, we (and this is very noticeable on the site), we think in the Soviet way, we decide in the imperial way. I'm sorry that I wrote confused and it's not about that, but I believe that the more openness in state administration and transparency in the budget there will be in our state, free competition, the more rapidly Russia will be able to make a hyper-break in its development. But with us it’s all the same becoming stiff with every year and it’s harder to reach our Olympus. This is not only a big brake on development, but also a very alarming sign of the elite’s detachment from the interests of a simple people. The circus in a circle --- everyone understands everything, but nothing more. The activity of the masses was stopped by the Kremlin, but this, with certain positive aspects, is very dangerous for the government itself, because this, let's call it “activity”, goes into the subconscious, and everything hidden and suppressed there can break out in the most monstrous moments. And you want peace and stability. But a system built on a leader’s principle is only outwardly stable, and inside there is political magma of someone’s infringed interests.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 August 2017 08: 48
      +1
      understand wisely
      I do not understand! That is, under the Stalin, Brezhnev, there were no calls. And now, under bourgeois authorities with an ideology of consumption, have challenges begun?
      Throw bourgeois America is no different from bourgeois Russia. It’s just Trump’s cunning plan to prevent Russia from making money on oil and gas, and in five years the West will drive an electric car, while our leaders will look for someone to push the oil. And do not forget that we ourselves organized the challenges. 109 billion of our money in America. They will freeze and that’s all ...
    3. George Teptin
      George Teptin 5 August 2017 15: 52
      0
      Dreams, dreams - where is your sweetness!
      Then come back together in the 12-13th century!
  4. tasha
    tasha 4 August 2017 06: 24
    +5
    The arrival of the Nazi troops would be perceived by the peoples of the USSR as happiness.

    Exactly. Not everyone would have lost it to 1941. That is why it makes no sense to be surprised at the number of Nazi troops meeting as liberators. People lived under the Soviet regime in the person of such figures, there were still fresh memories from the German occupation during the Civil War and other, other ... It was necessary to see the first gallows, camps and ditches, in order to understand what Nazism brought to the Soviet people ...
    1. sdv68
      sdv68 4 August 2017 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      That is why it makes no sense to be surprised at the number of Nazi troops meeting as liberators.


      And how many were there? It is enough to recall how many Fritz went to serve from about 5 million prisoners of war and more than 70 million who fell into occupation.
  5. Shurale
    Shurale 4 August 2017 06: 25
    18
    Stalinist repression 30-ies. Are you sure that they are Stalinist?

    When I ask this question to my acquaintances liberals, they answer that the leader of the country is responsible for what is happening in it, but when I tell them that Stalin in those years was not THEM Stalin whom we know, they do not believe, but at the same time they don’t want to read the story ...

    And yet, criticize all the best, but no one wants to put himself in his place in that situation in that country ... I think these critics would have crap one's pants for the first five minutes in his situation, and instead of the country that we and the whole we know the world, there would be a fragmented territory of the colonies of different countries like Africa. What would certainly be convenient for so many powerful people of this world, but no one would ever hear of any Chubais, Gaidars, Gozmans, Troitsky, Shenderovichs and other trash ...
    1. tasha
      tasha 4 August 2017 07: 21
      +5
      I tell them that Stalin in those years was not THEM Stalin

      You wrote it well. Before the revolution, he was different, during the war he was different, and after it ... He was a man.
      What would be, we do not know for sure. We can only speculate ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 4 August 2017 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: tasha
        I tell them that Stalin in those years was not THEM Stalin

        You wrote it well. Before the revolution, he was different, during the war he was different, and after it ... He was a man.
        What would be, we do not know for sure. We can only speculate ...

        Do you propose to ask Svanidze with Gozman? They know for sure. Although they did not live in those days. Probably grandmothers told.
        1. tasha
          tasha 4 August 2017 13: 09
          +1
          Do you propose to ask Svanidze with Gozman?

          I propose to ask "What would happen"? It seems to me that this is the lot of science fiction writers of the genre "Alternative History". However, I do not propose anything like that.
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 4 August 2017 07: 17
    12
    When they say that socialism is not viable, citing the experience of the USSR as an example, it can be answered that after Stalin's death it was not socialism that was built, there was a rollback from those principles that made it possible to industrialize and win the Second World War. Speaking about the effectiveness of capitalism, they lie to us, those who made their way to power under Yeltsin, as they lied to Stalin. A robbery system cannot be effective as a collaborative system. Yes, thieves are more unprincipled, more dodgy, more mean, but they are not effective, they have a limit, they will bring the planet to the state shown in the films “Through thorns to the stars”, “Kin-dza-dza”. Whatever Baruch, Rothschild, or Vekselberg is like a "black hole" that eats everything, and over time it will eat up the space around it. The final stage of capitalism is one super capitalist in the whole universe, to whom everything belongs, which controls everyone.
  7. Alex_59
    Alex_59 4 August 2017 07: 30
    +2
    A much more elaborate article than the one published yesterday in the History section. However, there are obvious stretches. For example:
    Not Stalin, but Robert Indrikovich Eikhe proposed the creation of extrajudicial killings, the famous "troika", like the "Stolypin", consisting of the first secretary, local prosecutor and the head of the NKVD (city, region, territory, republic). Stalin was against it.
    Stalin was against ... but for me it is not obvious that Stalin was against. This must be PROVEN.
    Well, then - what about Stalin’s visas on the hit lists, where his hand says "Shoot all those named on the list." Blue pencil. Stalin was against say? There, of course, on these lists, apparently, there were mostly yesterday’s NKVD investigators who started repressions as part of special triples (somehow it’s impossible to count them as innocent victims of repression), but nonetheless. The arguments are weak. The issue needs to be explored deeper.
    The only obvious thing is that the mass repressions began under Yezhov, and were abruptly stopped with the appointment of Beria. It is difficult to understand what Stalin intended when appointing Yezhov, it is not clear to what extent Yezhov was independent in making decisions.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 4 August 2017 07: 45
      0
      There, of course, on these lists, apparently, there were mostly yesterday’s NKVD investigators who started repressions as part of special triples (somehow it’s impossible to count them as innocent victims of repression), but nonetheless. The arguments are weak.

      Your arguments are really weak. Scoundrels and careerists had to be cleaned first. And you contradict yourself, and in one sentence. For the general people, this is a familiar figure of speech. I hope you do not belong to them?
  8. Helicopter122
    Helicopter122 4 August 2017 07: 44
    +9
    Believe it or not, I was familiar with one criminal authority even at school age. At that time, he had already retired from his professional career and, after another imprisonment, was engaged in the peaceful craft of the photographer. (As it turned out later, in the dashing 90s, he did not lose his threads, contacts.) He sat down many times, starting even before the Second World War. He repeatedly ran, straightened out new documents and lived with a new history. This is a preamble.
    Ambula:
    According to him, generals were sitting with him on political articles in the camp, who, in the same camp, openly discussed plans for a coup d'etat in the country. Then I did not believe him. It didn’t fit my head that with such serious repressions, when they were shot only on suspicion of disloyalty, specific opposition members could remain in the camp. In addition, the dangerous plans discussed.
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 4 August 2017 08: 29
    +1
    http://royallib.com/book/prudnikova_elena/hrushch
    ev_tvortsi_terrora.html

    Read and re-read.
  10. win9090
    win9090 4 August 2017 08: 29
    0
    We are sure.
  11. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 4 August 2017 08: 41
    +8
    "Power is in the truth". To the whole article! Silent such an article will not succeed. “... the vaunted“ Leninist Guard ”is a gathering of small satraps. "They are used to living in their estates as barons, to single-handedly manage the life and death of people." “Despite the direct calls by Stalin to seriously and thoroughly discuss the reforms, the old guard with paranoid tenacity turns to more pleasant and understandable topics: terror, terror, terror!” “... not the“ tyrant Stalin, ”but the“ cosmopolitan Leninist party guard, ”which ruled the ball at the June 1936 plenum, buried all attempts at a democratic thaw.” What is the expression of today's liberal? “Will 30 million die?” They didn’t fit into the market. ” “... the“ executioner ”Stalin directly imposed democracy, and his future“ innocent victims ”from this democracy ran like hell from incense. Yes, and demanded repression, and more. " Almost 20 years of terror of the "Leninist guard"! I agree that "the arrival of the Nazi troops, the peoples of the USSR would have perceived as happiness." “During the party purges and repressions, all the prominent party barons, drinking the gold reserves of Russia, bathing with prostitutes in champagne, having seized the noble and merchant palaces for personal use, all the sprawled, crumpled revolutionaries disappeared like smoke. And that is JUST. Brilliant: "SITTING IN THEIR SOULS A DIFFICULT ANIMAL FEAR AND PAINFUL THIRST FOR AUTHORITY." “No historical figure can be judged by the standards of our era. He must be judged by the standards of his era - and nothing else. ” Article - in the quote box! My opinion.
  12. erased
    erased 4 August 2017 09: 12
    +9
    Posted by Bravo!
    He didn’t indicate one thing - the current top leadership and financial bosses are such enemies of the people, only now there is no Stalin and Beria, and no one can call unlimited barin to account. Therefore, Russia is drowning in shit and is unlikely to come out. They just won’t give it.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 August 2017 09: 14
    11
    First, about the "merits" of Khrushchev. Everyone knows that he was one of the initiators of the repression. Thanks to him, as a member of the Military Council, the retreat of 1942 occurred. Does anyone know what Stalin's artels and Stalin's collective farms are? After Khrushchev came to power, he dismantled the artels, and reformed the collective farms. We do not even know how we lived on those collective farms. By the way, it was the kindly Khrushchev who organized the Novocherkassk execution. But despite all these deeds, everyone believes Khrushchev to "debunk" the cult of Stalin.
    For some reason, the word repression is associated with Stalin. but here is a quote from the wiki "Repression is a punishment, a punitive measure used by government bodies to protect and preserve the existing system." Thus, we can talk about Rurik, Romanov, as well as Yeltsin and Putin repressions. The state protects itself. That is, the Union did not have the right to defend itself, but landing at the present time for likes of SMS is more abrupt than for spikelets.
    And finally, the message that Stalin, as the leader, is responsible for everything. I agree one hundred percent. I am only surprised at why the current one is not responsible for anything, then he has a fifth column, or some liberals, although he himself is a liberal. He consistently built up power and that means he is responsible for everything that is happening in the country: judge Khakhaleva, drunk boy, Mosoblsud, Yelan, Mara Baghdasaryan, Mannerheim’s board ...
  14. DV69
    DV69 4 August 2017 09: 32
    +3
    Quote: tasha
    2. SUCCESS? Where is the Soviet Union now?

    In my opinion, one of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR was the betrayal of the interests of the country by the Soviet party elite. The party nomenclature that led the country decided to legalize the "accumulated" capital, as well as legally secure its posts, on the principle "it is better to be the first in the province than the last in Rome." Hence the parade of sovereignty, and all the other troubles.
  15. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 4 August 2017 09: 33
    +2
    The amazing thing is that the Russian people are the best people on the planet, the elite of mankind, and all kind of rot and insignificant things creep into the rulers - a khrushch, an eyebrow, a hunchbacked and a bastard ebn. And so few statesmen - Ivan the Terrible, Stalin and, possibly, Putin ...
    What's wrong?
  16. Stas157
    Stas157 4 August 2017 09: 34
    +3
    . Lenin, Stalin, Beria are three titans whom the Lord God sent to Russia in His great mercy, because, apparently, he still needed Russia. I hope that she is Russia and in our time He will soon be needed.
    . I don’t want it to be required, because such things arise at a time when the country is at a fork in the edge ... There is no need to tempt fate.
    1. Gaddy pope
      Gaddy pope 7 August 2017 01: 14
      0
      As for the titan of Lenin, you turned it down. It was this titan of thought that led the country to a civil war.
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  18. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 09: 41
    +6
    The article is a fat minus, because the author, in trying to justify Dzhugashvili, seeks to shove all the blame on the local authorities, while "forgetting" about the February-March plenum of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in 1937, at which Dzhugashvili repeated his bloody ravings about " intensification of the class struggle, "and the entire Soviet elite vied with each other about" pests and spies. " So the blame for 37 years lies with Dzhugashvili and his entourage.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 4 August 2017 10: 08
      +7
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      The article is a fat minus, because the author, in an attempt to justify Dzhugashvili, seeks to shove all the blame on local authorities

      Maybe not justify, but reveal the hidden meaning? How and how can one explain the mass repressions differently? After all, you can think that Stalin was inadequate and abnormal? No! Just the fact that Stalin wanted to make democracy instead of dictatorship, but thanks to the top all this ended in a bloody struggle for power and repression, explains all this.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 10: 36
        +3
        Yeah. "The king is good, the boyars are bad." Excuse me, did you prefer not to notice my phrase about "strengthening the class struggle"? Dzhugashvili was a pathological lover of power. For him, his own power was intrinsic value, and therefore, with his theses about this “struggle”, he untied the hands of his entourage, which immediately brought justification to his Master’s desire (and this is not sarcasm, as Dzhugashvili refers to him as accomplices in his memoirs).
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 4 August 2017 11: 03
          +5
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Dzhugashvili repeated his bloody ravings about "strengthening the class struggle"

          At the plenum you indicated, Stalin spoke three times - 27.02, 03.03 and 05.03. In none of the speeches is there a word about "strengthening the class struggle." This is a note.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          So the blame for the 37 year lies with Dzhugashvili and his entourage.

          Just in case, I’ll mention that I agree with this statement, otherwise someone will call me a Stalinist again.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Dzhugashvili was a pathological lover of power. For him, his own power was intrinsic value

          But this again must be proved. Otherwise, it is slander (even if it is a slander against the perpetrator of the repressions, but this slander does not become anything else). Power is loved by all politicians. Why should Stalin be holier than the pope? Putin chtoli does not like power? “Pathological power lover” at the same plenum, for example, these words he said: we, the leaders, should not be conceited, but should think that if we are members of the Central Committee or people's commissars, this does not mean that we possess all the necessary knowledge in order to lead correctly. Chin itself does not provide knowledge and experience. The title is even more so.
          This means, secondly, that our experience alone, the experience of leaders is not enough to properly manage what needs to be supplemented by our experience, the experience of leaders, the experience of the masses, the experience of the party masses, the experience of the working class, the experience of the people.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 4 August 2017 11: 11
            0
            Quote: Alex_59
            So the blame for the 37 year lies with Dzhugashvili and his entourage.
            Just in case, I’ll mention that I agree with this statement, otherwise someone will call me a Stalinist again.

            And what is insulting for you? Guilt ... how did you ... besieged the Moldavian citizen in the next branch, according to his cries for Stalin's guilt. Why would they backtrack?
            The reprisals affecting a limited circle of people, the cries of descendants - in 99% of cases of those who are guilty under any law that the USSR was the time that the Russian Federation is now the guarantee that the country has survived the war, you probably know the words of the Amer diplomat. at the expense of the fifth column .. http://avkrasn.ru/article-681.html
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 4 August 2017 12: 01
              +2
              Quote: Pancir026
              And what is offensive to you in this?

              Label. I do not like shortcuts. I am not a Stalinist. I respect Stalin and appreciate him for what he managed to do good for my country. But I do not consider it necessary to hush up the negative that took place in his work. And he (negative) was. Repression is one of his mistakes. At least in the form that turned out in practice under Yezhov. The fact that it was necessary to clean out all the demagogues and pests (which really were) was right. But how Yezhov organized it turned into a complete mess and essentially perverted the goal of the undertaking. Beria had to rake it already.
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 4 August 2017 12: 33
                +1
                Quote: Alex_59
                Label. I do not like shortcuts.

                All right.
                But in this case, you are a statesman. There is no doubt that Stalin was a statesman.
                Quote: Alex_59
                Repression is one of his mistakes. At least in the form that turned out in practice under Yezhov. The fact that it was necessary to clean out all the demagogues and pests (which really were) was right.

                Remember Krasheninnikov’s statement about mistakes in the courts of the Stalin era and modern Russia?
                Judging a mistake ... I wouldn’t say that the price paid by all kinds of crime. Including those who were allegedly convicted under “political2” article 58, based on criminal roots, there is a mistake, the fifth column did not take place in 1941.
                For example, (The plot of the case was as follows. On December 26, 1934, Dr. Wulfson, on the order of the head of the wintering department, Semenchuk, accompanied by a canteen Startsev in two sledges from Cape Rogers to the sick Eskimos to Predatorskaya Bay and Cape Blasson. On December 31, Startsev returned alone and said that Dr. Wulfson got lost on the way) the case of Semenchuk and Startsev was considered, on the murder of Dr. Wulfson, those responsible for the murder of Dr. Wulfson were sentenced to capital punishment. However, during the “perestroika” period, this verdict was quashed by the Supreme Court of the RSFSR, and the case was dismissed for lack of corpus delicti. evidence, not even the remains in the grave. Which could show the cause of death of the victim?
                And such “rehabilitations” become facts of alleged perversity
                Soviet judicial system, for the anti-Soviet ... unproven and deceitful ... how do you like these pearls?
                http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/dejavu57/post371
                906692 / by the way, author of the article, permanent author and VO, Volodin Aleksey
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 4 August 2017 13: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  But then you’ll be fine with a statesman

                  Will arrange laughing

                  Quote: Pancir026
                  how do you like these pearls?

                  Well ... all the time I insist that life is a complex, colorful thing. But this does not negate the fact that in this variety there are purely black personalities and phenomena. Svanidze is for me an absolutely black person. There is nothing to say.
                  1. Pancir026
                    Pancir026 4 August 2017 13: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Svanidze is for me an absolutely black person. There is nothing to say.

                    drinks
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 11: 45
            +3
            The thesis about the struggle was put forward earlier. And in the year 37 there were calls to use "methods of uprooting and routing." http://old.memo.ru/history/1937/vi9503.htm#_VPID_
            160
            If this is not a veiled order to kill all dissenters, then what?
            As for the pathological love of power ... What about the murders of Bukharin, Rykov, Zinoviev, Trotsky (who generally wrote complaint articles at the other end of the world and had no influence in the USSR), is there little Leningrad case? No, understand me correctly, I do not regret Bolshevik leaders, but still the political struggle does not involve the murder of my rival. A politician is obliged to fight for power, but to kill (albeit through controlled courts) anyone who can compete can only a person with a pathology.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 4 August 2017 11: 53
              +1
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              but to kill (even through controlled courts) anyone who can compete can only a person with a pathology.

              What a sadness. Most of the kings and emperors of the All-Russian, anointed of God are pathological killers. There were not even ships there. Bitch - and that’s it. If I were a liberal, right now I would have trodden on the question that Stalin, at least hypocritically, had not called himself “the anointed of God”, eliminating his competitors. And Emperors are easy. But I'm not a libert. I understand that life is a complicated thing. And branding murderers is not worth the Emperors, not Stalin.
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              If this is not a veiled order to kill all dissenters, then what?
              What is written is what it is. But not a word about the class struggle and its strengthening, so you flew by, sir, lieutenant-s past the checkout-s.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 13: 02
                +4
                I agree with the "class struggle" - I made a mistake in the date. However, there, without it, Dzhugashvili talked about a full-fledged criminal article on genocide.
                As for the kings - you decided to compare fundamentally incomparable categories. Before the Enlightenment, political murder was practically the only way to eliminate the rival for power, but even in these conditions for the entire 18th century, only Peter the Great (a really great, but extremely impulsive and cruel man) and Catherine the Great (who gave veiled husband killing order). Moreover, keep in mind that both of these monarchs made a difficult moral choice, moreover, the only time in their lives. I do not take into account Paul I, because his death occurred in the 19th century, and Alexander Pavlovich demanded that the conspirators save his father's life. After the second half of the 19th century, the political assassination of a competitor began to be considered savagery - not a single monarch of Europe did this, despite the fact that the monarchist system implies the absence of legitimate competitors for power, provided that there is an heir and the right to order the succession of power is prescribed by law.
                The republic (to which the USSR belonged) essentially provides for the replacement of power by elective means. A politician who is in an elected post must consider the possibility of his resignation from this post. For the 20th century, which became the century of the republics, only in the USSR during the time of Dzhugashvili and Nazi Germany did the heads of state allow themselves to crack down on competitors for power. Who was killed or sent to death by Churchill, Roosevelt, Clemenceau, De Gaulle? Answer: no one.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 4 August 2017 13: 06
                  0
                  Good change of power! Roosevelt SGA how many led?
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 13: 21
                    +3
                    SGA
                    What is this? The history of such states does not know.
                    And if you are talking about Roosevelt, then after his death an amendment to the US Constitution was adopted prohibiting one person from holding the presidency for more than two terms.
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 4 August 2017 13: 27
                      0
                      It doesn’t know now. And in the 30s of the last century, a country located in North America was called the United States, in the English States, America.
                      Teach materiel hi

                      PS. You still say that you don’t know which country F.D. Roosevelt led.
                    2. DV69
                      DV69 4 August 2017 13: 40
                      0
                      No. I asked "how many years was Roosevelt in power." This is against the backdrop of statements about the duration of the board.
                      As for Britain, there is generally a monarchy.
                      De Gaulle in France was overthrown by "affiliated" students, who, incidentally, have become American students, do not recall what year
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 15: 12
                        +4
                        How did Roosevelt not please you? The man arranged the voters of America, so they re-elected him.
                        In Britain, the monarchy, but the prime minister takes office after the parliamentary elections.
                2. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 4 August 2017 14: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  However, there, without it, Dzhugashvili talked about a full-fledged criminal article on genocide.

                  You were also mistaken with genocide. There is nothing that would draw there for genocide in his words. Learn the concept of genocide. Oh, it’s a pity that we are not in court and you (and some here) cannot be compensated under the 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - I would become a millionaire.
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  both of these monarchs made a difficult moral choice

                  Cried into the pillow, huh? Sadness.
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  During the 20 century, which became the century of the republics, only in the USSR during the time of Dzhugashvili and Nazi Germany did the heads of state allow themselves to crack down on competitors for power.

                  Nothing of the kind. I am not strong in this topic, but I think if you rummage in detail, you can dig a lot. And offhand - Ceausescu and Mussolini. Those. no matter how wrong you are - in the center of Europe, in the midst of the twentieth century, politicians are torn apart, even with my wife. Civilization however.
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Who was killed or sent to death by Churchill, Roosevelt, Clemenceau, De Gaulle? Answer: no one.

                  Of their politicians, there may be no one, but in the 20 century, they thrashed so many strangers that they never dreamed of strangers. This is especially spectacular in the 21 century, when the US Secretary of State rejoices looking like they are tearing to pieces the legitimate president of Libya. Stalin did not fall so low.
                  But in fact, Stalin spent a long time tinkering with this opposition. Long long time. All 20 and 30 years. You know, you must know. How they were forgiven, how they repented, how they were restored to the party. They were given to understand - do not bother. Not up to you. It is not necessary to arrange squabbles, but to do business. Well ... Stalin, as you said above, made a "difficult moral choice" and simply removed everyone so that they would not interfere. At the same time, as I believe, he made a mistake in entrusting this matter to Yezhov, and he too got carried away too.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 15: 09
                    +4
                    As for the genocide - I agree. Criminal law has never been my specialization, so I made a mistake in qualifying the corpus delicti. This is not genocide, but a crime against humanity. Art. 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
                    For the purposes of this Statute, “crime against humanity” means any of the following acts that are committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack on any civilian, if such an attack is committed knowingly:
                    a) murder;
                    b) extermination;
                    c) enslavement;
                    d) deportation or forced displacement of the population;
                    (e) Imprisonment or other cruel deprivation of physical freedom in violation of fundamental norms of international law;
                    f) torture;
                    g) rape, sexual slavery, forced prostitution, forced pregnancy, forced sterilization or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;

                    h) the persecution of any identifiable group or community for political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender, as defined in paragraph 3, or other motives that are universally recognized as unacceptable under international law, in connection with any acts referred to in this paragraph, or any crimes falling within the jurisdiction of the Court;
                    i) enforced disappearance of people;
                    j) the crime of apartheid;
                    k) other inhuman acts of a similar nature consisting in the intentional infliction of severe suffering or serious bodily harm or serious harm to mental or physical health.

                    Quote: Alex_59
                    compensation under 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation cannot be received

                    Of course you can’t, because I didn’t say a word about you. And for obvious reasons, Dzhugashvili will not be able to write a statement.
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    And offhand - Ceausescu and Mussolini.

                    Under Mussolini, 6 or 9 people were executed - I don’t remember the exact number. As for Ceausescu - they were shot by the rebels during the coup, and not the political struggle. Yes, and there was something to shoot them for, it was a pity that there was no normal court.
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Of their politicians, maybe no one, but they and others in the 20th century thrashed so many strangers

                    Leave the topic of discussion. Foreign policy and military operations have nothing to do with the internal political struggle within one state.
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 4 August 2017 16: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Criminal law has never been my specialization, so I made a mistake in qualifying the corpus delicti. This is not genocide, but a crime against humanity. Art. 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

                      Alas, dear, there is one strong point in your logic - the leadership of the USSR in the 20s and 30s was only concerned with destroying its own people. I dare say - this is a false approach. And do not compare Joseph Vissarionovich with Adolf Alaizovich. From such comparisons liberalism carries
                    2. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 4 August 2017 23: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      it’s not genocide, but a crime against humanity. Art. 7 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

                      A good half of the above applies to the Russian tsars and Emperors. So they are "criminals against humanity", like Stalin. It is not surprising that conspiracies were constantly staged against tsarism, while the kings themselves were either blown up or shot. Thank you, this is useful information, I will take into account in future research.
                      However ... with this Roman status, if you please, wipe the sneakers of the monarchs of the past. Because a) Russia is not a member of the ICC; b) the law has no retroactive effect and does not apply to previously committed actions. Miss again, Mr. Lieutenant. Why am I so harmful? I’m not defending repression. And not Stalin. I only demonstrate how weak your arguments are, gentlemen, the accusers of Stalinism. Work harder, dig better. In the meantime - zilch ...
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Leave the topic of discussion.

                      Wherever I want, I’m going there - who decree to me? From my point of view, the topic of discussion was originally this: is it possible to deal with lawlessness with the same lawless methods? Simple question. If so, then why are you better than Stalin? Well, then you do not blame him. If not, then why hang on Stalin what he did not do?
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 5 August 2017 02: 47
                  0
                  Churchill sent to death at least two generations of only his compatriots
            2. DV69
              DV69 4 August 2017 13: 03
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              . What about the murders of Bukharin, Rykov, Zinoviev, Trotsky (who generally scribbled complaint articles at the other end of the world and had no influence in the USSR), are there few Leningrad cases?

              Especially Trotsky. What a darling was. He created labor armies, put forward the slogan "neither peace, nor war", the Russian people destroyed ...
              Probably in vain it is still an ice ax. Maybe he should have been invited to the Central Committee?
              You would, dear, not talk.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 13: 26
                +4
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                No, understand me correctly, I do not regret Bolshevik leaders

                Read carefully. Trotsky, like the whole red gang, I would rather see on the gallows. After the verdict of the court. This, however, does not negate the fact that during the political squabbles of these spiders, the bank used completely savage methods, which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 4 August 2017 13: 32
                  +1
                  What a humanist you are! The whole "whole red gang" on the gallows!
                  And you don’t remind me how this "gang" came to power, and why so many officers of the tsarist army supported them
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 14: 03
                    +4
                    Yes, to the gallows. Because, both according to the Criminal and Correctional Penalties Code, and according to the modern Criminal Code, the actions of the top of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks relate to crimes punishable by death.
                    And you don’t remind me how this "gang" came to power

                    I would like to remind you. As a result of a coup and civil war. And the officers ... In the service of the Bolsheviks, they were no more than 20%. Including mobilized. The data is from here: http://swolkov.org/tro/index.htm Read chapter 6. I trust the historian, for 30 years he recreated the fate of Russian officers from the archives.
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 4 August 2017 16: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Yes, to the gallows. Because, both according to the Criminal and Correctional Penalties Code, and according to the modern Criminal Code, the actions of the top of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks relate to crimes punishable by death.
                      And you don’t remind me how this "gang" came to power

                      I would like to remind you. As a result of a coup and civil war. And the officers ... In the service of the Bolsheviks, they were no more than 20%. Including mobilized. The data is from here: http://swolkov.org/tro/index.htm Read chapter 6. I trust the historian, for 30 years he recreated the fate of Russian officers from the archives.

                      And who did the coup and when, too, the Bolsheviks. Let me remind you, the Bolsheviks came to power, only noticeable in Petrograd, in October 17, and the coup took place in February. And who committed it, if not the then elites of Russia
                  2. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 4 August 2017 14: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: DV69
                    What a humanist you are! The whole "whole red gang" on the gallows!

                    Typical of a liberal. Those who do not share advanced liberal values-tear all to shreds. Ordinary fascism.
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 15: 11
                      +4
                      Sorry, I don’t remember something that I said about my belonging to liberalism. I am a conservative to the core.
  19. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 4 August 2017 09: 47
    +6
    Hello.
    The article is impressive. Even with repeated reading. There are, of course, some assumptions, there are liberties, but in general, a very worthy answer to the cries of trillions of repressed and executed.
    Now about the monarchy. "..Monarchy - a type of government system in which the highest position in the country is transferred sexually..."
    Who wants sexually transmitted power? I absolutely do not feel like it.
    Moreover, especially ... I’ll continue a little later. But then I read the book "23 steps down" about the last emperor of Russia. and honestly, the person of Nicholas numbered TWO, didn’t cause me, well, any positive response. Why should another sexually transmitted monarch be more charismatic? I don’t know.
    And now - a little later.
    The monarchy, which is actually being discussed, is continued for many years to come. consistentI am the control line. One opinion, decisive, which determines a long path of development.
    In theory.
    But will there now be an encyclopedist of such a plan that can "grasp the immense" - from selection work on flax seed cultivation to development of promising nuclear engines for long-range space reconnaissance starships? I have absolutely no doubt that there is NO such person. So what is the anointed of God then?
    So about the Monarch, the more hereditary (i.e. transmitted as a gonorrhea) and there is no point in talking.
    But about the Guarantor - it makes sense to talk.
    With one small exception, give this Guarantor statutory privileges for any measures during the agreed term of his reign. Say 10 years.
    And after 10 years, the same legislation will require a full report from the guaranteed Guarantor about the result of his work - 50 thousand members of Edra were shot, but such achievements - doctors and teachers have a higher salary than Rotenberg, our ships plow the expanses of the Magellanic Cloud, Oort cloud work our mines, we help the starving Oklahoma .... etc. etc.
    Well, if there isn’t such a thing, sorry, Guarantor, please come to the execution chamber.
    Socialism is control and accounting!
    Initially, they insisted on this and insisted. How do we reorganize RabKrIn? Many people know what RabKrIn is.
    That's when this one .... Jing starts to work, then the monarchs transmitting sexually are not needed.
    So I see.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 10: 30
      +3
      Dear, your definition of a monarchy is written by an obviously intimately preoccupied person. A monarchy is a political system in which power is transferred from one trained person to another also trained person. And the effectiveness of the monarchical system is confirmed by the fact that out of the top 10 countries, 6 according to the human development index are XNUMX - monarchy.
      As for the personality of Nicholas II, if a person who led the country during the period of fierce terrorist war and was not afraid to lead a defeated army in order to lead it to victories does not give you a positive response, then it is scary to think who causes you such emotions.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 4 August 2017 12: 25
        +3
        Lieutenant, I have not been intimately preoccupied for about 6 years. Not at all.
        And about one trained, transferring power to another ... prepared ....
        You do not recall a series of Russian emperors, rapturously smashing the results of his predecessor?
        An "intimately preoccupied" one who believes that out of 300 thousand livestock trying to get into a single, single, dull and sluggish ovum, the most advanced sperm cell in terms of government will be taken.
        And all the concern.
        Etc.
        So, we don’t need to sing war songs here.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 13: 06
          +3
          Excuse me, did I say anything about you? No, I spoke about the author of the definition.
          If you had in mind a series of palace coups, then the problem here was not the monarchy, but the lack of a clearly defined law on succession to the throne.
          And yes, where does it, forgive me for expressing sperm? It is actually a matter of the fact that under the hereditary monarchy, the person who inherits the throne receives a high-quality, versatile education and does not spend his energy on political squabbles. But for some reason you are trying to reduce the question of succession again to genetics and the intimate part of the continuation of the human race. It’s strange.
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 4 August 2017 13: 38
            +2
            "... under the hereditary monarchy, the person who inherits the throne receives ..." exactly what he himself is going to receive. And not a bit more. The diaries of the last Russian emperor are an example of this.
            But I am not trying to idealize the issue of succession to the throne. I'm just rude and visually talking about the lottery .... succession to the throne.
            What if instead of hemophilia the heir will have more by one chromosome? Whereas? Or one less?
            The classical succession to the throne does not have all the necessary stability factors - redundancy, scaling, and predictability.
            Well, Alexei Nikolayevich would die from bleeding, who would become the heir? Michael? No, Alice would have to work again.
            It turns out that there should be three people, at least. And all perfectly educated. From the basics of stone processing to mastery of the theory of superstrings and non-Euclidean geometry.
            Do you think the heirs will be engaged in effective management? There was already a precedent in 1825.
            Power. This very power is the worst poison. For the one with power.
            So, I do not believe in such poisoned. Whose power cannot be taken away.
            And even more so, I do not believe in the game CASE.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 4 August 2017 15: 17
              +4
              Diaries of the last Russian emperor
              , which surprisingly coincide with the journal of visits of the emperor by 80 percent. A convincing source, there is nothing to say.
              What if instead of hemophilia the heir will have more by one chromosome?
              Such questions are clarified at the birth of a child and the question of inheritance is resolved within a couple of months.
              Quote: Bashibuzuk
              Do you think the heirs will be engaged in effective management?
              I don’t think, but I know. An example of this is a number of monarchical countries from Great Britain to Japan. In Sweden, for example, a discussion about the authority of the monarch lasted until 1974. The Swedes have kept the monarchy, and nothing, the country is developing quite normally for itself.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 4 August 2017 23: 20
                +1
                Have you read the basic laws of Sweden? Unlike other European constitutional monarchies, the Swedish king, like the Norwegian one, does not even have any special powers on paper. Many of the powers that kings carry out in Great Britain, Spain, and a number of other monarchies in Sweden have been transferred to the tallyman - speaker of parliament.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 4 August 2017 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      But then I read the book "23 steps down" about the last emperor of Russia. and honestly, the person of Nicholas numbered TWO, didn’t cause me any positive response.

      A propaganda book written by a Soviet ethnic Jew, how can one be believed? I was impressed only by the Soviet reader. This book can be put on a par with such vile "masterpieces" as: the play Empress Conspiracy A. Tolstoy (Alyoshka), novel Devilry Pikul, the film Agony Klimova.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 4 August 2017 12: 41
        +4
        Did the entries in the diary of Nikolai Alexandrovich also be made by a Soviet ethnic Jew?
        This same Jew, probably, also Rasputin introduced to the family of "blue princes", relatives of ALL royal dynasties of Europe.
        And the Japanese city man who treated the tsesarevich with a saber hit flat on the head, also the Jew insisted, no?
        Abdicate - well, don’t go to the grandmother, the Jew signed it.
        Etc.
        But what about God's designation and anointing, in this case?
        Etc.
        It turns out that Stalin, and Khrushchev, were more anointed, because they fought for power with all their might. What is this ... hereditary heir to inheritance.
        They even fought - and this "... surrendered Russia as it surrendered", a quote from Shulga ... in no way a Jew or a communist.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 4 August 2017 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          It turns out, Stalin, and Khrushchev, the greater anointed

          Coming out
      2. Pancir026
        Pancir026 4 August 2017 12: 46
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        Conspiracy of Empress A. Tolstoy (Alyoshka), novel Unclean Force of Pikul, film by Agony Klimov.

        Yes? Oh .. so dear writers are wrong, due to the fact that some kind of monarchist. "Holy" is sure that Nikolka is the second. There is something grandiose ... in the sense of shooting ravens and tea drinking in the family?
        And who is there among yours? Wrote at least something similar in importance-Pikul, Tolstoy, Klimov? AMNUEL or something? So his physics resembles the physiognomy of the one who was beaten from the kindergarten and not allowed to go to the toilet ... And the "significance" of NTSovts, and it’s completely zero, except in the circle of his admirers. who are minuscule in the country ...
        Quote: bober1982
        Soviet ethnic Jew

        Soviet ethnic Jew..et is something new, are there non-Soviet non-ethnic Jews? Is it the Israelis or what?
        And then who is Gozman?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 4 August 2017 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: Pancir026
          Oh .. so dear writers are wrong

          Wrong.
          Quote: Pancir026
          . wrote at least something similar in importance-Pikul, Tolstoy, Klimov

          Klimov is not a writer, he is a stage director.
          Quote: Pancir026
          And then who is Gozman?

          I don’t know that you are attached to it, you probably start to take your breath away, at the mere mention of it.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 4 August 2017 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            Wrong.

            Is there any ARGUMENTS? Besides few interesting voluptuous groans of a nyasha and admirers of gosh, Hohenzollern and mother?
            Quote: bober1982
            Klimov is not a writer, he is a stage director.

            Clever he, do you have something against his vision of that situation? Arguments where?
            Quote: bober1982
            I don’t know that you are attached to it, you probably start to take your breath away, at the mere mention of it.

            Yes, I do not give a damn about this cross-eyed subject from nonsense with a great kokolionion all yours, with giblets.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 4 August 2017 13: 11
              +1
              They got distracted from the topic, turned the wrong way around, so I don’t want to continue, but the topic is interesting. Good luck.
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 4 August 2017 19: 17
                +1
                Quote: bober1982
                Distracted from the topic

                You
                Quote: bober1982
                The topic is interesting.

                But a jump from her, you did unsuccessful.
  20. Stas157
    Stas157 4 August 2017 09: 47
    +6
    . And again, the issue of democratization was put on the agenda by Joseph Vissarionovich in 1952 shortly before his death.
    It turns out that when Stalin wanted to bring democracy instead of dictatorship and free elections, the first time it ended with 37-38 years of repression, and the second time with the death (murder?) Of Stalin himself in 53. Can it then be argued that Stalin had unlimited power? As shown, his proposals, which were contrary to the interests of the elite, were put into practice with great difficulty. Or they were not carried out at all, as it happened, with free elections!
  21. Operator
    Operator 4 August 2017 10: 08
    +1
    Courland is a diagnosis.
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 4 August 2017 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      Courland is a diagnosis.

      You.
      And in order to confirm that you do not understand anything in this matter, read
      Part 1 of Article 58 defines the concept of “Counter-revolutionary crime”. "Revolutionary" in it called "the main economic, political and national gains of the proletarian revolution", that is, the existing system, as well as the organs of power of the USSR. Accordingly, “counter-revolutionary” are crimes against the existing system.
      A modern analogue is Section 10 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Crimes against State Power” and its 29th chapter, “Crimes against the Foundations of the Constitutional System and State Security”, as well as Ch. 30 "Crimes against state power, interests of public service and service in local authorities."
      58-2. Armed uprising or invasion ... ... of the Criminal Code. Article 275. High treason. Article 278. Violent seizure of power or violent retention of power. Article 279. Armed rebellion.
      Full coincidence ...
      http://avkrasn.ru/article-681.html
      1. Operator
        Operator 4 August 2017 14: 29
        +1
        More than 90% of the 58 parts of the 1 article under Stalin were convicted of fictitious crimes such as digging a tunnel from Moscow to Tokyo.

        The overwhelming majority of cases, the Communists artificially summed up their political rivals within the CPSU (b), class alien elements (former nobles, officers, entrepreneurs and pre-revolutionary intelligentsia, rural producers), as well as fined party and Soviet functionaries (bribe-takers who failed production plans, technological accidents, etc.).

        The ruling communist regime categorically did not want to publicly acknowledge the fact of internal party squabbles, class repressions and the inoperability of its administrative apparatus, and therefore masked these problems as "counter-revolutionary crimes" sucked from the finger.

        Of the several million people convicted under this article, God forbid that there should be several hundred thousand people who consciously acted against the communist regime, and most of them acted on the temporarily occupied territory of the USSR in the 1941-45 years, i.e. in fact, was accomplices of the occupiers, and not ideological counter-revolutionaries.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 4 August 2017 14: 50
          0
          Quote: Operator
          The ruling communist regime categorically did not want to publicly acknowledge the fact of internal party squabbles, class repressions and the inoperability of its administrative apparatus

          Judging by the statements of senior leaders, the regime simply did not realize that its problems lie not in conscious pests, but in the low quality of managerial personnel. They sincerely believed that there was sabotage and sabotage. It looks like that, they are too sure of it. And they also saw one way out - the fight against enemies. At the same time, sabotage and sabotage were definitely there, but their significance ... their share ... just those 10% probably - and the rest is their own gouging of a young inexperienced government.
          And the low quality of managerial personnel is a consequence of the very idea of ​​the dictatorship of the proletariat. It is simply impossible to make effective managers from peasants overnight. This takes time, you need to fill up cones, you need mistakes, you need experience. Which is exactly all 20-e, 30-e years and typed. The course was taken by Stalin faithful, but he had no one to rely on. That is why these managerial cadres were not able to fully prepare the country for war. That is why these cadres were not able to fencing on equal terms in the first two years of the war with the German FonHXX and other hereditary warriors.
          1. Operator
            Operator 4 August 2017 15: 07
            +1
            Under Stalin, there was clearly an oral installation from above to bring everyone under the 58 article to disguise the inability of cooks and lumpen to steadily lead the state.

            Poor Soviet investigators from the plow had from their last mental powers to come up with new episodes of counter-revolutionary activity such as digging tunnels in Tokyo and Berlin.

            NKVDists, prosecutors and judges all perfectly understood everything.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 5 August 2017 00: 09
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              Under Stalin, there was clearly an oral installation from above to bring everyone under the 58 article to disguise the inability of cooks and lumpen to steadily lead the state.

              I doubt it. Too complicated. The fact that the installation failed under 58 was already known. You have not discovered anything new here, but about the “verbally” - you are mistaken, everything is in writing. Read the decisions of the SNK, the orders of the NKVD, the telegrams of Stalin and his official speeches. Everywhere in the open it is said that we need to keep everyone on 58.
              But about the disguise. Nowhere in these same pieces of paper can I see any disguise. Everywhere a sincere conviction that these are enemies and pests. There is no point in such a disguise. From whom to disguise? From ordinary people? Duck, after all, they didn’t let them read the pieces of paper that there was anyone. And if he did, then what was written there without any disguise would be enough for a new revolution. What is the point in the secret correspondence between Stalin and Yezhov in disguise?
              But by the way, Stalin in several places openly says that the peasantry did not mature enough to become a party support in the same ranks with the workers. Workers were considered more literate and conscious. But the peasants are not. But their mass influx became a reality, and they openly said that this influx is not of the quality that we would like. Again, no disguise.
              1. Operator
                Operator 5 August 2017 01: 49
                0
                No one will publicly call for falsification of cases (in terms of retraining criminality and criminal negligence as treason, with the formulation of far-fetched, absurd charges).

                This undermines the faith of the population in justice.

                For such tasks, there are verbal instructions (in the absence of freedom of speech).
        2. Pancir026
          Pancir026 4 August 2017 19: 22
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          More than 90% of the 58 parts of the 1 article under Stalin were convicted of fictitious crimes such as digging a tunnel from Moscow to Tokyo.

          An unconfirmed conclusion.
          Quote: Operator
          In this vast majority of cases, the Communists artificially summed up their political rivals within the CPSU (B.), Classically alien to the element

          Another blah blah blah.
          Quote: Operator
          The ruling communist regime categorically did not want to publicly acknowledge the fact of internal party skirmishes, class repressions and the inoperability of its administrative apparatus,

          Another blah blah blah, who built thousands of factories. Factories, hydroelectric power plants? Obviously not like you — at best, you kept a gun in your pocket, publicly vehemently supporting the party line.
          Quote: Operator
          Of the several million people convicted under this article, God grant that several hundred thousand people who consciously acted against the communist regime should be recruited, most of

          another blah blah blah, statistics with breakdown by articles are available, they completely refute your wisdom.
          http://actualhistory.ru/2008060101
          1. Operator
            Operator 4 August 2017 19: 41
            0
            Congratulations on yet another labor achievement in the construction of the Moscow-Tokyo tunnel laughing
  22. Love is
    Love is 4 August 2017 10: 27
    +2
    This may be called "demonic confession." Everyone is to blame, but idols have nothing to do with it. So Adam justified himself before God by nodding his wife Eve “did you not eat from the tree from which I forbade you to eat? 12 Adam said: the wife that you gave me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate. 13 And he said Lord God to the wife: what did you do? The wife said: the serpent deceived me, and I ate. 14 "
  23. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 4 August 2017 10: 39
    +3
    Unpleasant article. The author, like a worm on a hot skillet, dodges in order to whitewash the perpetrators of the shootings of innocent people of those dashing years. Really it is not clear that by “removing” the witness-investigators and members of the firing squads, Stalin “cleaned” his role in this dirty business. Not without reason is still classified some of the materials on the Katyn case and many others. Not for nothing, all subsequent Communist leaders destroyed the archives of the dirty affairs of their dads and grandfathers. The author of the article is a specialist in searching for "scapegoats" in the mass political killings of the last century on the territory of the USSR.
  24. IvanTheTerrible
    IvanTheTerrible 4 August 2017 10: 39
    +2
    Another "The Tsar knew nothing!" "The boyars are bad!" "Enemies have crept into the Politburo!"
    Abomination.
    What must happen to finally knock out this crazy leaderism from the mass consciousness? The parade of the enemy army in Moscow? Only then will Russian people reach "NEVER MORE" in relation to any manifestations of leaderism and personality cult?
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 5 August 2017 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      Abomination.

      This is what you do.
      Take the trouble to see, there everything is told and chewed to the limit. If you still don’t understand anything now .. some doubts arise ...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH7qJ3mt5M
  25. speelforce
    speelforce 4 August 2017 10: 43
    +5
    Unfortunately, most anti-Stalinists, anti-communists, anti-Soviet and Russophobes (including pseudo-Orthodox) are not able to overpower texts over 140 Twitter characters. So the contents of the article will not be able to convey to them. But I tried.
    1. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 5 August 2017 16: 56
      +1
      You would work in SNK - in it the majority was based on the composition of a certain nationality. Do not confuse concepts, russophobes mostly live on the shores of the Mediterranean, in the States, as well as in modern Europe. And the others listed by you are in Russia. These are different categories of people, why do you put them all in one line? I have not mastered your twitter, because I do not have this. And what, put me in what category? Why do you teach others? Are you the smartest? Have you mastered twitter?
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 5 August 2017 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: Evgenijus
        I have not mastered your twitter, because I do not have one.

        Can you handle it?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH7qJ3mt5M
        Try to concentrate, because here, there are significantly more than 140 characters than your non-existent twitter.
        http://zavtra.ru/blogs/trezubetc_na_fone_trikolor
        a_rusofobskij_proekt_vlasov
        1. Evgenijus
          Evgenijus 5 August 2017 17: 29
          0
          No, I have no time for your twitter! Thanks for the offer ... wassat
          And I offer you to “evaluate” others and you will be happy ... wink
  26. antivirus
    antivirus 4 August 2017 10: 59
    +3
    a bunch of small satraps. They are used to living in their estates as barons, to single-handedly manage the life and death of people.
    --- and GDP changes little governors ??

    These are precisely the numbers carved by the Memorial society in one of the Rostov parks on the monument to the victims of ... Stalinist (?!) repressions.
    --- And the EBN board has not yet come to comprehend ?? where is the memorial sleeping ??
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  28. Pancir026
    Pancir026 4 August 2017 11: 20
    +5
    Quote: Evgenijus
    Unpleasant article. The author, like a worm in a hot pan, dodges in order to whitewash the culprits, the initiators of the executions of innocent people of those dashing years.

    http://fanread.ru/book/5260878/?page=32
    right here are innocent ....
    http://www.greatstalin.ru/articlestruth.aspx?xdoc
    = o + DCwI9Bsp44Dm7kJIDVHQ ==
    Well, for the overall development.
    http://nnm.me/blogs/TbINZ/nevinnye-zhertvy-stalin
    skih-repressiy /

    Forgive us, criminals, murderers, pedophiles, rapists and traitors, repressed by bloody Stalin!

    ps: something akhedzhaknul me, it is necessary to drink a vitamin for the mind ... laughing
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 5 August 2017 00: 56
      +1
      Try to justify the "dispossession" now - I can’t wait.
      1. MrK
        5 August 2017 17: 50
        +1
        Quote: Black5Raven
        Try to justify the "dispossession" now - I can’t wait.

        I read somewhere that before collectivization in the Politburo there was a dispute between Zinoviev, Kamenev and M.I. Kalinin.
        Zinoviev argued that any peasant who owns 25 tithes of the earth should be classified as a fist. Kamenev said that 15 tithes will be enough.
        Mikhail Ivanovich mocked and laughed at them for a long time, they say experts, damn it, peasant souls. And then he explained that the fist is not the one with 25 tithes of land and five horses. And if he has a wife, five adult sons, four daughters-in-law?
        And not even the one who hires people - to help harvest. This is done even by the middle peasants.
        A fist is one who lives on usury. Gave before the fall 5 bags of wheat. You’ll give ten in the fall. Expensive - do not take and p.o.d.kh.a.a. from hunger.
        And the term fist-world-eater was not coined by the Bolsheviks. From the 19 century the term. If not before.
        So there is no need to talk about the reference owners, who were destroyed by the Bolsheviks.
        And the fact that part of the middle peasants got dispossessed is also true. But in our country, this can be observed at any time in different processes. And even today.
  29. 32363
    32363 4 August 2017 12: 27
    +1
    on cont.ws I read something like that, there was also a link to a film about Beria, which is supposedly banned in Russia, downloaded, I will watch.
    film "Beria, Lose" 2008
  30. antivirus
    antivirus 4 August 2017 12: 31
    +1
    If the secretary of the regional committee was supposed to go under the head of the regional administration of the NKVD, then who, I ask, was supposed to go under Yezhov? With such cadres and such views, the NKVD became mortally dangerous both for the authorities and for the country.


    - In 47 g, the grandfather quit the prosecutor's office. the father was friends with the son of the first secretaries of the district committee and saw the first reaction of that to this news. - joy (the counterweight-legalist left)
  31. antivirus
    antivirus 4 August 2017 12: 54
    +1
    Have you read? Well, and how do you like the dearest Fedor Afanasevich? One (one !!!) investigator-falsifier brought 236 people under execution. And what, he was the only one, how many of them were such villains?
    March 23, 1989 the first elections were held for the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR.
    Father says: you need to ask your grandfather about repression.
    - He's not the boss in appearance.
    - Grandfather served in the prosecutor's office.
    And the grandfather had his 28th birthday. We arrived, presented shoes, sat down at the table. grandfather drank a stack over his 80th birthday ("the head will make a noise anyway").
    I remind my father: you need to ask about repression.
    Father asks the question "Have you participated?"
    -not
    -And who, how, when. why?
    - This is who wanted to curry favor.
    And he went to drink the pill "from the head."
    The pig will find dirt. and what did the man seek, how did he live ?.
    In 2015, I asked my aunt, 1933: what was said about my grandfather?
    - Nothing bad, but my childhood friend Kolya (her husband) was taken away from his father, the chairman of the collective farm, and no one knows where.
  32. Stanislas
    Stanislas 4 August 2017 13: 39
    +3
    Very interesting and useful article! It is especially worthwhile to read it to those who heed the quasi-argument "about a good king and bad boyars." Thanks to the author!
  33. Music
    Music 4 August 2017 14: 03
    0
    Who cares. Our era is called by the First Person. Stalin, Putin, Brezhnev ....
  34. Alexander Pulkov
    Alexander Pulkov 4 August 2017 14: 29
    +6
    It would be necessary to KNOW some LEGAL FACTS for:
    1. Repression is the punishment of offenders and the limitation of their rights and freedoms on the basis of the law
    HERE if someone for DRIVING in a DRINKED TYPE LOSS OF DRIVING RIGHTS is also a REPRESSION - https://vk.com/photo15679241_415368031.
    - https://vk.com/video68556929_456240331?list=98deb
    be0f ..


    2. Stalin was never the head of the USSR,
    and was the HEAD of the CPSU (b) and only in May 1941 became the SECOND FACE in the USSR when he was appointed CHAIRMAN of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR
    AND ALL DECISIONS IN THE Bolshevik Party or in the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks were adopted in a collective way by voting and Stalin's vote was only ONE OF MANY


    3. ALREADY PROVEN THAT MILLIONS REPRESSED IN THE USSR A LIE - http://sovsojuz.mirtesen.ru/blog/43067230811/1.-Z
    aves ..


    4. As you know, EVERYTHING is RECOGNIZED in COMPARISON and when the next GEORGE and USEFUL STATE DEPARTMENT slander about Stalin, even he SHOULD proceed from the COMPARISON
    or ONE TEMPORARY PERIOD with PREVIOUS
    or SAME TIME PERIOD, but in different COUNTRIES

    And therefore, now there is a bit of MATHEMATICS and COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS on the BASIS of STATISTICAL DATA, which are not refuted by ANYONE

    - in the 20th century in RI, MORTALITY was 30-35 people per THOUSAND,
    and in a year - 5,2-5,5 MILLION PEOPLE,
    because in RI lived about 165-170 million
    And over 17 years of the 20th century, 90-95 million people have died

    Under STALIN, MORTALITY FALLED in 20-30 years by 2 times in relation to SEMI-FASCISTAN RI to 14-16 people per 1000,
    and after the Second World War 3 to 10-12 people per 1000, now mortality in Russia is at the same level as after the Second World War -12 per 1000
    those. in 20-30 years, the mortality per year was 2,3-2,5 million,
    which is 2,7-3 MILLION LESS THAN NICHOLAS 2

    And if you take 17 years under the Bolsheviks, it turns out that somewhere 40-42 MILLION died, but 45-50 MILLION SURVIVED, which MUST BE DIED with NIKOLAI, either from HUNGER or from DISEASES
    and in the year it’s for 1939 TOTAL 1,7 million, for the census of the show is 170 million

    The mortality of newborns up to a year in the Republic of Ingushetia in 1913 was 268 out of 1000 children,
    and with the Bolsheviks, mortality fell 3 times to 80 children per 1000 newborns, now by the way 5 per 1000


    5. RI was a PEASANT COUNTRY, but every 2-3 years there were famines, ie 5-6 peasants barely fed ONE CITY

    - How many famines were in RI in the 19th century?
    answer:
    - 40 famines, i.e. every 2-3 years - Russia with the tsar - http://vk.com/video198948649_172288427?list=f9f8a
    4816 ...

    - How many famines were in the 20th century?
    answer:
    - 9 famines, seven of which were under Nicholas 2 from 1900 to 1917 - that's how people lived like that

    - How many famines were during the USSR?
    answer:
    - in the USSR there were only TWO
    and at the same time, EUROPE and the USA WAS ALSO SIMULTANEOUS HOLOMODERS,
    And in the United States, then, according to the STATISTICS, at least 7 MILLION, and most likely 10 MILLION, WASN'T CALCULATED, - The Holodomor in American - http://old.artyushenkooleg.ru/index.php?cID=297
    - what is HUNGER STALIN ORGANIZED IN EUROPE and USA? - Holodomor in Europe and the USA - naked facts - https://newsland.com/user/4297884550/content/golo
    domo ..

    in the USSR there were 2 famines in 74 years from 1917 to 1991,
    and in under TsARISM 47 (FORTY SEVEN) for 117 years.
    - WELL AND WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVED BETTER?
    answer:
    - in the USSR and now 1 peasant feeds 4 CITY


    In the 30s, not more than 70 THOUSAND died from starvation throughout the USSR,
    and about 700 THOUSAND from DISEASES and, moreover, SPLASHING in the SUMMER of 1933 - this is when there are BERRIES, MUSHROOMS in the FOREST, ANIMALS run, and in the RIVERS - FISH swims,
    OTHER JUST LEAVED TO CITIES AND OTHER REGIONS OF THE USSR
    - the myth of the "famine" - http://vk.com/video-85824712_456239021?list=708e2
    16fc ...
    about the Holodomor - https://vk.com/video68556929_456240212?list=ad179
    8484 ..
    about the Holodomor - https://vk.com/video68556929_456240211?list=6babd
    8b7b ..


    - Kedmi debunked the myths about Stalin - https://vk.com/video-60476709_456239068?list=2921
    c10c ..
    Exposing another myth of repression - https://cont.ws/@writemaster/511010
    - here it WILL BE specifically about Bolsheviks
    - https://vk.com/video-73921861_456239849?list=21de
    9245 ..
    or - 00:48:30 Communists, Bolsheviks and Trotskyists - https://vk.com/video68556929_456239535?list=e3ed8
    f6eb ..


    - http://vk.com/video198948649_172288657?list=dd14a
    3ec8 ...
    - http://vk.com/video68556929_456239077?list=2f3e85
    fde8 ..

    6. NO GENOCIDE WAS FROM THE Bolsheviks
    - from October 1917 to 1920, 65 thousand TRADERS, WHITE, and other DISCUSSIONS fell under the COURT, 25 thousand of them after the VESSELS were Shot

    And according to the claims of WHITE CURATORS, there were 1 KILLED WHITE-NAZIS killed by Bolsheviks of the WHITE Nazis, first of all PEACEFUL PEOPLE supporting the Bolsheviks and captive RED-ARMENIANS
    - And for the first world and civil RUSSIA, 8 million were not counted, if divided by 100, we will get 80 thousand DESTINED BY Bolsheviks of different WHITE-NAZI SCAS, that is, in the total there will be 100-110 thousand SCUNS, the cat KILLED HIS PEOPLE and WISTERED ON THE OCCUPAN from Germany, ANTANTS and JAPAN

    for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954, 3 people were convicted by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military College, courts and military tribunals,
    including, of them, 642 people were sentenced to death - http://vk.com/photo-980_83526610.


    - The myth of genocide: exposing fraud - http://vk.com/away.php?to=http://cont.ws/post/124
    730 ...
    - "repression." Real numbers - http://vk.com/away.php?to=http://cont.ws/post/871
    01 ...
    - Spitsyn E.Yu. about Stalin, Khrushchev and Gorbachev - https://youtu.be/ViPmYSq1wvI.
    - Andrey Fursov - De-Stalinization - http://vk.com/video-83526610_456239029?list=777fc
    4833 ...
    Evgeny Spitsyn. "Why does the ecumenist Hilarion lie again about the Stalinist repressions" - https://youtu.be/6vCQH_zHbUA
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 4 August 2017 19: 25
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Pulkov
      NO GENOCIDE WAS FROM THE Bolsheviks

      An excellent, well-reasoned answer. Thank you. But to local regulars of liberal information washing, everything is like a horse feed.
  35. Brushing
    Brushing 4 August 2017 14: 54
    +4
    One Jewish acquaintance told me that it was the Jews in the Russian government who were to blame for everything .... hi
    Notice, not a bald Nazi anti-Semite, but a Jew: "My young friend, I am a Jew .... a doctor and treat people ... and I am grateful to Russia and the Russian people for giving me the opportunity to live and work in your country. ..we are Jews, good musicians, doctors, teachers, engineers, etc., but we are so arranged that if we come to power, we begin to stir up everything for ourselves and for the good of our people and never, not a single Jew will take care of Russia and Russians .... now if I want to get involved in politics, then I will go to Israel and I will do it there, for the benefit of my people and my country .... and those who now rule Russia are the Chubais, Nemtsovs , Yavlinsky, Gaidars, etc. - degenerates and sick people and there will be no use for them for Russia and Russians ... "

    - 20 years have passed, as it was revealed to me ... think for yourself .... hi
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 4 August 2017 15: 47
      +3
      [quote = Still touching] but we are so arranged that if we come to power, then we begin to muddle everything
  36. vnord
    vnord 4 August 2017 15: 37
    +2
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    As for the personality of Nicholas II, then if the person who led the country during the period of fierce terrorist war and was not afraid to head the defeated army in order to lead it to victories
    About the dead is bad. But He betrayed the country when he abdicated the throne ...
  37. DV69
    DV69 4 August 2017 16: 11
    +4
    Lieutenant Teterin,
    And what Stalin did not please you, his people, for the most part, also loved him very much.
    Now about Britain ... I was always wondering how a constitutional monarchy can exist in a country that does not have a constitution. So the British monarchy is absolute. and now tell me something else about the prime minister’s election laughing
  38. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 4 August 2017 23: 26
    0
    But why did Stalin not touch such people as Andreev (a terrible person, although he had merits for the country), Zemlyachka, Shkiryatov, Mehlis, who, along with Yezhov, launched the flywheel of repression in 1937-1938?
  39. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 4 August 2017 23: 33
    +1
    Whatever Prudnikova writes there, I will never believe that the nominees Zhdanov Voznesensky, Kuznetsov, Rodionov and other people who were shot in the Leningrad affair were indeed enemies of the Soviet system. Even Molotov, in conversations with Felix Chuyev, and other retired members of the so-called "anti-party group," admitted that in this case there really was arbitrariness and lawlessness. Many figures of the Stalin era in their memoirs and interviews in the later period of time spoke with admiration of the business qualities of Voznesensky. In this case, just Malenkov and his comrades simply removed their competitors.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 August 2017 23: 57
      +4
      1. The Ascension associates "received the aggregate", recalled the failures in the work of the beginning of 1941.
      2. Where were these "honest" functionaries when Khrushchev shot Beria? Where was their language when Khrushchev poured mud from the tribune of Stalin?
      Screwed themselves, gave the start to the collapse of the country Khrushchev ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 5 August 2017 00: 34
        +1
        1. Yeah, and after the war they gave Voznesensky the Stalin Prize for the book "The Economy of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War." And until the end of the 40s, Voznesensky, Kuznetsov, and Kosygin (also Zhdanov’s man), Stalin constantly set an example. As you know, their number of prominent promoted figures Zhdanov one Kosygin was not repressed.
        2. Who are you talking about? Ascension during the life of Stalin was shot.
        Many of those offended by Khrushchev, by the way, were criticized with not little enthusiasm by Stalin in the second half of the 50s. Including Malenkov, and Kaganovich, and Pervukhin with Saburov. Malenkov, by the way, earlier Khrushchev talked about criticizing the cult of personality, almost a few days after the death of Stalin.
        And at the Plenum where the question of Beria was being decided, Bagirov, the head of the Azerbaijani Central Committee, his old friend and ally, branded him with the very last words. Which, however, was also soon arrested, then tried and shot.
        In general, if you look at the newsreel of the late 40s, it is easy to notice that the image of an imposing, often fattening high-ranking official with a stone physiognomy, sitting in various presidiums, was widespread already in the last years of Stalin's life.
        If you read the biographies of the most famous figures of the Khrushchev and Brezhnev periods, then it is easy to make sure that their career received an impetus in 1937-1938. This is Kozlov, and Kirichenko, and Brezhnev himself, and Podgorny, and Andropov, and Kosygin, and Suslov, and Kirilenko.
        By the way, if you read the Soviet central newspapers at the turn of the 40s and early 50s, you will be surprised to see that Khrushchev is mentioned and cited on an equal footing with Molotov and Malenkov. This is the question of the alleged accidental rise of Khrushchev to the heights of power.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 5 August 2017 08: 18
          +3
          Quote: Sergej1972
          1. Yeah, and after the war they gave the Ascension Stalin Prize for the book.

          And at the beginning of the war, Voznesensky had a lot of questions about not fulfilling the plan for the supply of ammunition on time and in the required quantity. They also reminded Marshal Novikov and Shakhurin (were in kinship) for "workarounds" on the eve of the battles on the Oryol-Kursk Bulge. And Zhukov was reminded that he was not alone in defeating Germany ...
          So did Voznesensky's "roof leaked on the issue of party building
          Quote: Sergej1972
          And at the Plenum where the question of Beria was being decided, Bagirov, the head of the Azerbaijani Central Committee, his old friend and ally, branded him with the very last words. Which, however, was also soon arrested, then tried and shot.

          Kane-e-e-e-chna-ah ... And as a result, Marshal Rotmistrov broadcast on the pages of his memoirs how he defeated Hausser completely under Prokhorovka ....
          Quote: Sergej1972
          By the way, if you read the Soviet central newspapers at the turn of the 40-x-beginning of the 50-x., You will be surprised to see that Khrushchev is mentioned and quoted along with Molotov and Malenkov.

          And not only about them. About celestials of the Soviet Olympus was written only in laudatory tones. Party discipline began to fall completely when the same Khrushch declared: "The people are the party. And the party is me!" The failures of his reforms and attributed to his predecessor, simultaneously throwing out of the mausoleum. And he removed the dissent from the road as he did with Beria, Abakumov and others, with the support of the army.
          I think that if really military marshals and generals knew where this party coup would lead, they would strangle the Khrushchev right after Stalin’s funeral. But complacency reigned in the country, the people enjoyed the tormented victory. And no one suspected that the idea of ​​communism began to rapidly lose popularity and support, especially in China. Because opportunists defeated the Bolshevik party. And Mao wrote about it and spoke about it. But that's another story....
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 August 2017 17: 06
            0
            Abakumov was arrested during the life of Salin, and Beria, apparently, had a hand in this.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 August 2017 17: 23
            0
            Why until the end of the 40s did Stalin himself speak of Voznesensky exceptionally positively? And in 1947 he transferred from candidates to members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.)?
            By the way, Bagirov’s speech was published in the Bulletin of the CPSU Central Committee. There was such a party press organ in 1989-1991. And the whole transcript of the July 1953 Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU was published there.
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 August 2017 17: 26
            +1
            It is necessary to be objective, so I note that sometimes at the end of the 40s, the beginning of the 50s. and criticism in Pravda was published against some top leaders. Molotov was criticized for something, and admitted his mistakes. Khrushchev was criticized for his fascination with the idea of ​​creating agro-cities. He also agreed with criticism.
          4. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 August 2017 18: 12
            0
            The site recently published a large interview with the Stalinist Commissar Benediktov. The latter, as you know, was very respectful of the personality of Stalin. But at the same time, he respected Voznesensky with great respect. Both Vasilevsky and Smirtyuk wrote very respectfully about Voznesensky. And Molotov, in conversations with Chuev, very positively assessed Voznesensky and did not hide that, in contrast to the repressions of 1937, the Leningrad Affair considers it a provocation and falsification. By the way, Voznesensky was not only a Zhdanovsky nominee, but he also had good relations with Molotov.
  40. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 5 August 2017 00: 44
    0
    Sometimes the feeling is that some publicists make a name for themselves and a career on such materials. Now Beria is being "untwisted". I will not be surprised that in a year or two there will be books and an article about the slandered and underestimated descendants of Nikolai Ivanovich Yezhov, and then materials of the same kind about Berry.
    About Yezhov there are already such publications. I downloaded one book a year ago. But there is still no time to study this text.
    Someone specializes in Abakumov. I think soon we will learn a lot about Merkulov, Dekanozov.
    1. Karen
      Karen 5 August 2017 11: 22
      +1
      The tenderness with which the Leader began the cleansing of the Trotskyists in the Red Army, having taken away the crusts from the 5000 liquid Bolsheviks in her leadership, is admired ... Only then it became possible to clean the country from scum with a broom.
  41. ven reis
    ven reis 5 August 2017 15: 58
    +2
    Remember the civil war, when the Russian Chekists frantically shot the Russians, the examples of B.Kun and Zemlyachka, on their orders, they killed the whole family with babies, only they killed up to 100 thousand Russians
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 5 August 2017 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: ven reis
      only they killed up to 100 thousand Russians

      Billiards, no less.
      Keep remembering myths and gossip.
  42. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 5 August 2017 17: 38
    +1
    Stalin continued:
    “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage. And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me.
    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
    In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
    And yet, no matter how events unfold, time will pass, and the views of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due in full. They will build their future on our past. "
  43. Pancir026
    Pancir026 5 August 2017 17: 52
    0
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    It is time to knock out all this “leaderism” and organize local self-government according to the type of Novgorod Veche.

    And get the Posadnitsa from the coffin to you as the leader. What is famous in the course?
    And what did the Veche talk to Alexander Nevsky know?
    Your suggestions into the firebox. They’re not enough and have outlived their own.
  44. Sige
    Sige 5 August 2017 20: 34
    0
    Now, it would also not hurt to shoot half a million people ...
    ... the only way to clean the system.
    1. Karen
      Karen 5 August 2017 21: 30
      +1
      I read on tape.vru another anti-Stalinist libel about 37 / 38gg. from the "historian" Kirill Alexandrov. Naturally, with praise of Lenin. How clearly can be traced the 5th column of the commentator.
  45. Radikal
    Radikal 5 August 2017 23: 53
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: tasha
    Very interesting article

    It is interesting as an example of an attempt to launder black- to white.
    Stalin, it turns out, was general democratwanted a democratic secret election. yes But, like all universal people, he was weak and was a toy in the hands of ardent communist dictators who unleashed repression.
    Having become a weak-willed puppet in the hands of executioners, he sobbed, sobbing, signed resolutions on increasing the plan to destroy the country's citizens.
    The country and the suffering grandfather were saved by chance in the person of Comrade. Beria.
    Away from sin, saving the secret elections from new usurper reptiles, which the party bred at the speed of an automaton, he never spent them, and he saved them! yes lol

    Paphos for the rally at some Swamp save, there they pay for it, unlike here! laughing
  46. Radikal
    Radikal 5 August 2017 23: 59
    +1
    Quote: Pancir026
    Quote: Olgovich
    Depopulation of the Russian people since 1964!

    You are really illiterate or, as always, strive to forerun.
    The causes of depopulation in these years, the war with Hitler, or rather its consequences.
    Are you all worried about Hitler?

    He is not illiterate - he is just an enemy! And if the enemy does not give up ...
  47. high
    high 6 August 2017 16: 20
    0
    Stalin - the executioner and the criminal, you can not bleach the killer of millions of Soviet citizens ....
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 6 August 2017 16: 43
      +3
      Stalin - the executioner and the criminal, you can not bleach the killer of millions of Soviet citizens .... - alta

      You are an ignorant layman, brought up on the anti-Stalinist lies of Khrushchev, Solzhenitsyn and other liars.
      Time has already revealed the whole truth about I.V. Stalin, wake up and throw off the "noodles" of lies lying on you. Read more of the historical chronicle, and not fictitious and invented lies.
  48. esaul1950
    esaul1950 8 August 2017 20: 30
    +2
    Good article, but how many “commentators”!
  49. esaul1950
    esaul1950 8 August 2017 20: 32
    +3
    Quote: d.gksueyjd
    Stalin continued:
    “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage. And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me.
    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
    In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
    And yet, no matter how events unfold, time will pass, and the views of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due in full. They will build their future on our past. "

    Is true.
  50. martau
    martau 9 August 2017 10: 12
    +3
    The more a person insists that Stalin is evil, the more he screams that Russia is going the wrong way and not as a rule. And when you ask him how to, he nods to the west. But if so, go there. This is our story, our weird. She is not dirty and she is not a perverted History. Stalin man who lost his sons at the front. The man who turned the country destroyed and torn by internal contradictions into MONOLITH (Again there was a war). Now tell me there is at least one person who has achieved significant results without loss: on the personal front, in health ... And then COUNTRY ...