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Rosguard. Some thoughts after reading a good reportage

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I am often amazed by the reaction of a part of our readers to any events that mention our special services. When something out of the ordinary happens, we shout about the flaw in these special services. But when it comes to those activities that are designed to improve their work, we unanimously begin to talk about the desire of the leadership to step up the fight with us, about the senseless waste of money, about the elderly and orphans, about bad roads, about villages without gas and other problems. The object of the last surge of emotions of this type was the Rosguard.




Last week, Lenta.ru published a very informative article on aviation Rosguards, accompanying her with a video report (https://lenta.ru/articles/2017/07/26/aviaguard/). The article is really good. It was this circumstance that became the stumbling block for some of our "fighters for the Motherland" from various "radical outskirts" of the political spectrum. There are many reprints on the Internet, not only in the media, but also in blogs. And, accordingly, a lot of opinions ...

Rosgvardia exists in the Russian Federation for just over a year. Let me remind you that this special service was created on April 5 of the year 2016 on the basis of the Russian Interior Ministry troops. Just over a year, but show me a man who wouldn't know about her. Show me a man who would not have at least some opinion about the Rosguards. Positive, negative, neutral. The only thing I encountered during the preparation of this material is that ... people really do not know the official name of the special service.

Rosgvardiya, and everything. Our fault. More precisely, the media. Yes, and the Rosguards. Therefore, I correct this mistake. The full name of the young secret service is the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation.

But the results of work over the past year, many people know! Paradox? Not. Just the results of the work of the Rosguards concern many of us personally. Or through people close to us, through friends and acquaintances. Let me remind you, according to official data, for the 2016 year, the fighters of the Rosguard destroyed 125 militants and eliminated more than 300 camps, caches and shelters. At the same time, according to the data with reference to the temporary information center of the Rosguards, over the past year, SOBR officers conducted about 9 thousands of special operations. In their course 19 hostages were released, more than 7 thousands of violators were detained. Among the detainees - 332 armed, 281 - were wanted. In addition, about 1000 firearms were seized. weaponsOver 61 thousands of ammunition.

The article indicates the presence in the units of the Russian Guard under a fairly respectable aircraft fleet. But most importantly, about the planned procurement of additional aircraft. Why extra? After all, today in the Rosguards 60 various aviation units. From individual troops to the air regiments. And the fleet includes many types of aircraft. Only aircraft 9 types. But there are still helicopters, drones ...

Theoretically, the question is correct. But only theoretically. And practically? Maybe you should look at the map of the Russian Federation? View with a scale bar. From Anadyr to Makhachkala. From Petropavlovsk-on-Kamchatka to Kaliningrad. Our country is huge. And the transfer of units and parts is quite a difficult task. But if for military units there exists (in peacetime) at least some temporary reserve, then for the units of the Rosguards there is no such reserve. Terrorists after the execution of the attack go. And they disappear quickly. This is the problem.

I will now express a rather controversial thought. For some readers. However, like any citizen of the Russian Federation, I have the right to my own judgments and estimates. I believe that the Russian Guard is an anti-terrorist army. Similar to tank and other armies, air defense and missile defense armies. Today, the military component of the Russian Guard is 8 divisions, 21 brigades and 69 regiments. Everything is very different in composition: from the protection of important state facilities to the operational purpose, including artillery, engineer-engineer, training and other units. And she performs today, including combat missions. Participates in hostilities.

And the enemy of the guards is not easy. This is not just a gang with small arms. These are detachments with rather serious weapons. Mobile, having their base. Able to resist lightly armed soldiers. And the locations of such gangs are not simple. Mountains, forests, remote villages and villages. On the "cheers" take them will not work. The lives of trained fighters are, sorry for some cynicism, expensive. Both in moral, and in state, and in material sense.

It is not a secret for anyone that today, no matter how much we resist, there are quite a lot of “problem” foreigners on our territory, as well as Russian citizens. Including having combat experience of participation in terrorist organizations in other countries. It is no secret that such people are well aware of their fate in case of capture. It is no secret that they usually resist to the last.

So why should we save on aviation for Rosguards? They do not need aerial reconnaissance? They do not need attack helicopters? Why throw fighters under bullets when you can destroy a gang with an air strike? A pair of helicopter gunships, that's all.

Some will now say about the civilian population that may suffer from such attacks. Yes maybe. Moreover, even now it is suffering. Just because terrorists often use civilians as hostages. And at home, especially in mountainous areas, they often build very soundly, like mini-fortresses. However, the same helicopter can conduct aimed shooting. Specifically for the detected targets. And just "squeeze" the defenders at the time of the nomination of a detachment of guards. Or destroy the prepared line of defense.

For most, the Rosgvardia Aviation still remains the means of delivering fighters to the place of their next job. By the way, for those interested, in the above article there is not only a description, but also a video of such helicopter work. And this is probably correct. Again, because of the scale of our country. Indeed, other functions are included in the sphere of interests of this special service. The fight against terrorism is only a part, albeit the most visible. But there is also the protection of objects. There is a protection of public order. There is help in the aftermath of disasters of any nature.

In general, I understand perfectly well what caused the interest in this topic from the opposition and the radicals. They have already started the election race. Despite the fact that most people still do not think about the upcoming elections, the struggle for our minds is already underway. And in this fight all means are good. I am sure that there are already comments about Rosgvardiya as an understudy of the FSB (after all, it’s true, some of the functions of both special services are the same). I am sure that experts from the “liberal” camp are already writing about the “new NKVD”.

All this fuss is not particularly interesting for me. Just because the road spoon for dinner. And before the "dinner" still oh how far. Yes, and we are not the same romance, which were at the beginning of 90-x. The famous "vote with your heart" is no longer impressive. We understand that the brain is still in the head. But what Rosgvardia has done over the past year, and what has been done for the current one, is impressive.

Therefore, I have two questions. One on the subject of the article. Why is the realistically fighting structure not armed and equipped with equipment on demand? Everything you need to be given first. Not much needed. Need aviation? Get it. Even to the detriment of the army. Need armored cars? Get it. OPK today can increase production by a certain number of units. With increasing terrorism, which is increasing its military capabilities, more and more opportunities are needed for the forces opposing it.

The federal service of the troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation must be fully developed and supported. As practice shows, international terrorism today is no longer particularly afraid of poorly armed police forces. Even participants in illegal rallies, meetings, marches are not particularly afraid of the guards and the police in the cordon. And why? I remember the old film "Born of the Revolution." There was an episode that provides an answer to this question. Remember how the new criminal investigation department in St. Petersburg defended the embassy? And the reaction of the attackers on the arrival of the sailors? Imagine that on the spot a policeman will be a pro with "square shoulders" and with the appropriate equipment. Will the boys from the "bulk" opposition go to these guys? I doubt it. And if behind the backs of the guards there will be other special means, like in Europe or the USA?

And the second question concerns specific fighters. However, I do not know exactly, maybe it has already been resolved. I think that readers who are associated with this structure will either correct or confirm. So, some units of guardsmen are involved in real combat operations. It means that they should have a preferential calculation of years of service and other benefits. Are they in the Rosguards? And we do not need to "make surprised faces." Fu, the author, spoke about the material. Yes, he did. Because it is important for a particular soldier and officer. This is important for their loved ones.

And further. In the order of the proposal for the Rosguards. I once became interested in the color of the berets at the Interior Ministry special forces. Many people remember the name of this color - krapovy. But for the first time this color appeared in the Russian Empire to distinguish the ranks of a separate inner guard corps in 1829 year! True, it was the edges, not berets. And the internal guard itself was created by the decrees of Alexander I in 1811. Many of the functions of the internal guard and the Rosguards are the same ... Why be shy about your stories?

Maybe it is worth considering the question of the Rosguards from this point of view? And consider the time of creation is not 5 April 2016, but still 1811? The question, of course, is not particularly relevant today. But in terms of the continuity of generations is important.

Honestly, when writing this article, in the course of working with documents, in conversations with people, much has become clear even for me. And the questions that have been raised here have largely arisen already in the course of thinking on this topic. Perhaps it should have happened. In general, the successes of the Rosguard, even with all the problems of formation and maintenance, are impressive. Well done guardsmen ...
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  1. Knowing
    Knowing 31 July 2017 06: 03
    +17
    "... Rosguard is an anti-terrorist army." and the FSB assistant in this not simple matter. Respect to the author. And the bipedal barmalies (the same thing) and other scum are bent upright liberals - there is a suitcase at the station and for leaving Russia.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 31 July 2017 06: 16
      +4
      So let her fight with them, why they dragged the police there, that is vivid confirmation of the audit of the traffic police.
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 31 July 2017 06: 33
        +3
        From Wikipedia, and you know she doesn’t lie (if the amers do not need it):
        The structure of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation includes:

        Internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.
        Special Forces Center for Rapid Response Forces and Aviation, and aviation units (from the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs);
        Special quick response units (from territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia);
        Mobile special forces (from the territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia);
        Management bodies and units in the field of private security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia (from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia);
        Management bodies and units that carry out federal state control over the circulation of weapons in the field of private security activities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Internal Affairs (from the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs).

        Although it is possible in another way:
        The structure of the new department included all OMON, SOBR, and Security divisions, in the future it is planned to subordinate private security companies, private security in the National Guard of Russia in 2018 will acquire a new status and authority. The structural divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in particular, the centers of special forces of the quick reaction forces and aviation, will go under the auspices of the Russian Guard, while the ranks and posts will be retained. In addition, citizens will be attracted not only within the framework of the contract service, vacancies will be opened for them in the National Guard of Russia for 2018, but also conscripts for military service. The higher bodies that oversee and control the activities of this structure have also been approved. In the framework of the law governing the work of the Russian Guard, this body belongs to the category of independent executive bodies, which makes it subordinate directly to the President.
        1. Mikhalych 70
          Mikhalych 70 1 August 2017 16: 20
          +5
          About recruits already passed. If I am not mistaken, the year is so in '93. They recruited the police upon appeal. Half a year of training at the Central Administration of Internal Affairs, then work as a policeman. And what is bad for the kids? no rises, no lights up ... And they paid money ... Tale ... Only for the department this turned into a personnel disaster. Well, you can’t, at the age of 18, give the powers of full-fledged police officers. And the young lieutenants after the police school ?! But, after all, an officer post implies a level of responsibility for the fate of people ... A precinct at the age of 18? And laughter and sin. That was such a legal opportunity to "slope" from the army. As if not to step on the same rake. And then there really will be nobody to work. Just now, at work, I came across a "comrade lieutenant from the Office", a pretty little girl came to interrogate a man ... At X6. I have all the questions of who she and whose daughter have disappeared ... The questions have also disappeared whether she will protect the interests of a pensioner grandmother ... Maybe I’ll skip the topic, but today's shooting at the Moscow Regional Court is proof of this. How could 2 employees, one of whom was an aunt, be sent to escort five bandits ?! What does the bailiffs do not mean cops, they are employees of the "state civil service". You will believe here that the escape was being prepared at a very high level ...
        2. Welcome to hell
          Welcome to hell 2 August 2017 19: 30
          0
          at the expense of draftees, they serve mainly those parts that are involved in PLO and SAR, the protection of important state facilities
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 31 July 2017 08: 17
      +6
      It is more convenient to control the BB and the police when there is only one boss over them, who is directly subordinate to the owner of the country. And this is already the most important element of the centralization of power.
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 31 July 2017 10: 18
        +1
        ..... tell us about the ARMY when the Chief is something and how .....
        1. Yarik
          Yarik 31 July 2017 19: 53
          +8
          Everything was said beautifully, sort of with a good sense and with the arrangement, but for some reason the author forgot to say that we have one of the largest population in the world for generals and police officers. Their number will soon be equal to the size of the regular army.
          1. domokl
            31 July 2017 20: 23
            +4
            So what? When the terrorist attacks happened in Europe, it turned out that the police were not enough there and they could not cope with their tasks ... And we have the Caucasus with gangs, there are Asian terrorists, not to mention our smaller brothers ....
            The number of troops should be such that you do not think whether the child will return from school or not ..
            1. Mikhalych 70
              Mikhalych 70 1 August 2017 17: 08
              +1
              ... and, I do not believe that the St. Petersburg riot police could not enter the quarter, just as the police in Paris could not.
            2. rpek32
              rpek32 2 August 2017 15: 41
              +2
              as if you wouldn’t put a policeman to every child, this time.
              secondly, if the state’s population itself is “healthy” in terms of criminality, then it makes no sense to inflate the staff of policemen.
              crime must be fought before its inception (so that there was nothing to prevent and investigate), and not after the fact.
  2. svp67
    svp67 31 July 2017 06: 04
    +8
    In fact, the role of the Rosguard is similar to that of the gendarmerie in many “democratic” countries. And there, these structures are independent and somehow do not cause much complaints from the population.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 31 July 2017 14: 12
      +4
      only these countries do not have their own North Caucasian Military District. And the borders common with Turkey, Georgia and Ukraine are thousands of kilometers away.

      the work is serious and there are a lot of it.
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 3 August 2017 00: 07
        +2
        Quote: c-Petrov
        only these countries do not have their own North Caucasian Military District. And the borders common with Turkey, Georgia and Ukraine are thousands of kilometers away.
        the work is serious and there are a lot of it.

        We still do not have a common border with Turkey, and the common land border with Georgia and Ukraine is not thousands of km ..
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 31 July 2017 19: 10
      +1
      You just don’t understand. There are elven democratic warriors and there are terrible dark drunk totalitarian .... substitute the name of the leader;)
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 1 August 2017 00: 37
      +1
      I would say that the Russian Guard is the Ministry of Internal Defense. The Moscow Region defends itself from outside attacks, the border guards defends the borders themselves, and the Russian Guard protects against attacks from within. In my opinion, after Syria, Chechnya, Ukraine, etc., the need for a department that will organize defense within the country does not need evidence. hi
  3. AUL
    AUL 31 July 2017 06: 05
    +9
    Long live the king’s guards!
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 July 2017 07: 01
    +3
    The creation of air guard groups of the Russian Guard (as you say, "I have the right" to have an opinion) is a withdrawal including and front-line aviation units from the Air Force-VKS. The payroll of the aircraft was reduced, and the capabilities were increased. And it is right. Let glavnyuki sleep peacefully. And then, they will have another epiphany.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 July 2017 07: 28
      +6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The creation of air guard groups of the Russian Guard (as you say, "I have the right" to have an opinion) is a withdrawal including and front-line aviation units from the Air Force-VKS.

      Withdraw to? To another country? To another planet? To another galaxy?
      1. AUL
        AUL 31 July 2017 08: 42
        +3
        In another submission.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 31 July 2017 13: 14
          +1
          Quote: AUL
          In another submission.

          Well, if there is a head, "why pedal"? (+)
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 31 July 2017 13: 13
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The creation of air guard groups of the Russian Guard (as you say, "I have the right" to have an opinion) is a withdrawal including and front-line aviation units from the Air Force-VKS.

        Withdraw to? To another country? To another planet? To another galaxy?

        From graphs reporting to the world community. Your zeal has calmed down or else ... dial?
        1. A.Kaledin
          A.Kaledin 31 July 2017 23: 12
          +4
          And we should have accountability to the world community ??? :)
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 1 August 2017 06: 18
            +2
            Quote: A.Kaledin
            And we should have accountability to the world community ??? :)

            And you do not know that for each of our sneezes we write reports of paper? And they express "concerns".
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 July 2017 07: 46
    +3
    ... we together begin to talk about the desire of management to intensify the struggle with us

    This is evidenced only by the "libroid layer" of society, which accounts for just over 1% of the country's adult population. Over the past years, they have become accustomed to calmly, without consequences, harassing the country and the president, and therefore, such a reaction.
  6. long in stock.
    long in stock. 31 July 2017 08: 07
    +15
    all the same, I don’t understand. They were vovany. I myself had them. The tasks are the same. the functions are the same. why the creation of a new structure? was the base there were frames, everything was broken to build anew. and for what? fighters with square shoulders? yes it’s full of you. the same people as they were ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 July 2017 08: 12
      +6
      Quote: Long in stock.
      all the same, I don’t understand. They were vovany. I myself had them. The tasks are the same. functions are the same. why create a new structure?

      They were in the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the position of stepsons. With residual financing. It was impossible to look at their technique in tears without tears
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 31 July 2017 08: 15
        +5
        maybe .. I served 91-93 in 49 St. Petersburg operative. There were no complaints about the materiel. Yes, and the gain parts we had were not bad .- Then it was worse .... it started when I went on it was just a nightmare .. but then it was like that everywhere ..
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 31 July 2017 08: 45
        +5
        Dear, the issue of funding, what could not be solved without being allocated as a separate service?
        1. Geronimo73
          Geronimo73 31 July 2017 10: 00
          +2
          in fact, centuries have long had a very mediocre relationship to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. so the creation of a federal service is only a de jure statement of a long-established de facto situation.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 July 2017 11: 04
          +2
          What for? There is a circus and with it a funeral home. Question: why at all costs maintain subordination of one to the other, even if they have separate funding? Amuse the circus guides?
    2. Neputin
      Neputin 31 July 2017 23: 37
      +7
      What is incomprehensible here? As for the Russian Guard, no one has fought against drug trafficking, organized crime groups, and terrorism? All this was done by certain structures and quite professionally. And they continue to be engaged. The authorities "pumped" everyone's brains, it is clear that the Russian Guard is for internal use only, they are afraid of their own people, and it is the Russian Guard that is called upon to "put this people in the cost" in the event of mass protests and discontent. As soon as you begin to understand this, everything immediately develops into a "puzzle". Everything else from the evil one and from the true patriots, trolls, who will now begin to tear me to shreds.
      1. Military Builder
        Military Builder 3 August 2017 06: 11
        +1
        they are afraid of diarrhea of ​​their own people, and it is the Russian Guard that is called upon to "put it in the cost" in the event of mass protests and discontent.

        "your" people are also different, which is what the North-Caucasian Federal District is worth there is also its own people
  7. IvanTheTerrible
    IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 09: 05
    +28
    Which nation is our "national guard"? After all, the constitution does not say that the Russian Federation is a national state, it refers to the "multinational people of the Russian Federation." Then it would be more logical to call this formation "multinational guard" or "international guard".
    Rosguard is an anti-terrorist army.

    The argument looks rather ridiculous, given the fact that Russia has open borders with Central Asia, where Islamic extremists of all sorts and colors come from. You create a problem and pretend that you are solving it - a classic. At the same time, there is always a ready-made tool at hand in case of an uprising of citizens against kleptothy.
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      1. badens1111
        badens1111 31 July 2017 09: 46
        +5
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        That's right, such "patriots" like you and others like you must push in the bud!

        Their funding was blown away, and the quality and quantity of nonsense has increased dramatically.
        Worse, support for such in the Internet, on different sites is very indicative.
        Not surprised.
        The National Guard .. analogue of VV, already the fact that its subordination, directly to the Supreme, causes a gnashing of teeth in some part of society .. it’s not for nothing that they cleaned the Ministry of Internal Affairs .. since 2015, when 15 generals were kicked out for corruption by a swoop, for example a certain Badalka ..
        But it has long been known as a corrupt official, a potential traitor.
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        How are you going to live now, your masters are being sent from the country, from whom will you receive money now ?!

        Well ... as long as there is a stratum in society living according to Western patterns, they will find sources of subsistence ... yes, and as experience shows, a considerable number of these ... will move to the camp of the winner.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 31 July 2017 09: 59
          +11
          badens1111 Today, 09:46 ↑
          Their funding was blown away, and the quality and quantity of nonsense has increased dramatically.
          Vlad, good day! hi love Glad to welcome a colleague!
          You are right, and that is characteristic, these defectors will just as violently scold their former owners, as now they lick their feet! What to do is the nature of betrayal. Notice how many years have passed, how many generations have not changed, but their nature and their behavior does not change from century to century ... request
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 31 July 2017 10: 25
            +5
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            Notice how many years have passed, how many generations have not changed, but their nature and their behavior does not change from century to century ...

            Remember the phrase-the intelligentsia is not the brain of the nation, but its ..... "especially bourgeois.
            All of our so-called intelligentsia from among those infected with worship before the West, in fact, has become a stratum in society that is completely hostile to the tasks of the country and the needs of the people.
            We look at the TV hosts five-seven-ten years ago, frank Russophobes were flowing, some have already died, some have moved to channels that they watch a little, some have fled straight to the owners.
            We look at the professors .. all the same, A. Zubov and his story of departure from the best university in the country, where did he find himself? In the service of Bandera.
            We look at Sytiny, Amnuel and others, now showing these figures among the people they are developing a steady rejection of all that vile ideology that they represent.
            And what they represent ... The patriot loves Russia, but at the same time the Russians living in it may be disgusting to him. For example, during the revolution, a large part of the nobility and the liberal intelligentsia of Russia was hated by the Russian people, they simply gnashed their teeth from hatred towards the overwhelming majority of the people (Ivan Solonevich wrote a lot about these feelings of emigration). These patriots of Russia were not Russian nationalists - at that moment they were Russophobes.
            In times of crisis, the political order and type of state can change rapidly, so there are patriotic movements that have different ideal images of Russia.
            Both white and red in the Civil War were patriots - but of "different Russia." White ideologues considered the majority of Russians a apostate people, and the peasants considered the landowners and the bourgeoisie to be "internal German." In such tragedies, the minority fighting against the majority of fellow citizens more or less clearly feels like renegades. For example, Kerensky bitterly wrote about himself: "He left alone, rejected by the people."
            Today in Russia there is a similar split. The ideologists of the liberals have been trying for many years to convince us that the people of Russia turned out to be "unsuitable material" for their reforms. Their ideal is Russia, but inhabited by a different, good people. They are patriots of the “Russia” created in their liberal imagination

            Fascism is hypertrophied liberalism, that is, liberalism brought to its logical conclusion. He fully expresses the idea of ​​competition. It is competition that Nizhny Novgorod, social Darwinism in the full sense of the word, cares about.
            Spengler, the predecessor of fascism, said: “The fact that he is a predatory animal gives the highest rank to man.” But people are not equal as predatory animals. Fascism proceeds from the idea of ​​the superman - the “blond beast”, which has the right to rob other, lower peoples (“subhuman”). Notice, from some comments here it’s directly drawn by this damned ideology and it doesn’t matter who writes it, conditionally, sitting at a computer in Nizhny Novgorod or Alalai-balalai sitting at the same computer but in Haifa.
        2. IvanTheTerrible
          IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 10: 21
          +25
          Their funding was blown away, and the quality and quantity of nonsense has increased dramatically.
          Worse, support for such in the Internet, on different sites is very indicative.

          The idea that other people might have a different opinion from that imposed by the state did not occur to you?
          Like the idea that you can sincerely love Russia and just as sincerely hate those who destroy it: it is not liberals and nationalists who withdraw billions of dollars annually from the country, they did not make corruption the basis of government, they did not import hundreds of thousands of migrants from Central Asia - peddlers of Islamic extremism.
          The fifth column is not on the Internet. The fifth column in the Kremlin.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 31 July 2017 10: 30
            +5
            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            The idea that other people might have a different opinion from that imposed by the state did not occur to you?

            And you therefore think that your thoughts are exceptionally true, while others, in the assessment of the Russian Guard, are not correct?
            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            it is not liberals and nationalists who withdraw billions of dollars annually from the country, they did not make corruption the basis of government, they did not import hundreds of thousands of migrants from Central Asia - carriers of Islamic extremism.

            Yes? And who actually did all this as not-so-called liberals, since the time of Yeltsin? Who, even now in the economy and financial bloc at Medvedev, continues all this bacchanalia, aren't the liberals? They are.

            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            The fifth column is not on the Internet. The fifth column in the Kremlin.

            Well, here you got excited, just on the Internet its number is several times greater than what is on the street.
            1. IvanTheTerrible
              IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 10: 39
              +21
              And you therefore think that your thoughts are exceptionally true, while others, in the assessment of the Russian Guard, are not correct?

              I recognize for my fellow citizens the right to an opinion different from my own, I do not call them the fifth column and I do not call for reprisals against dissidents. Unlike.
              There should be free competition of ideas and opinions in society - this is the key to its stability and dynamic development.
              Yes? And who actually did all this as not-so-called liberals, since the time of Yeltsin? Who, even now in the economy and financial bloc at Medvedev, continues all this bacchanalia, aren't the liberals? They are.

              “The Tsar is good - the boyars are bad.”, “Putin knows nothing,” “Enemies have crept into the Politburo,” yeah.
              Well, here you got excited, just on the Internet its number is several times greater than what is on the street.

              Your compatriot on the Internet, having expressed his point of view, will not change anything, if he is at least ten times an agent of the "State Department", Japanese, Polish and Ganduran intelligence. Unlike not virtual, but quite real people with British, Austrian, Swiss, etc. etc. residence permits from the Kremlin.
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 31 July 2017 12: 48
                +7
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                I recognize for my fellow citizens the right to an opinion different from my own, I do not call them the fifth column and I do not call for reprisals against dissidents.

                If this is the opinion of a direct Russophobe, a direct traitor, will you give him the right to vote and the ability to do anything? Isn’t that why you are so fussing now that the time when the elements of the fifth column behaved as they like is over?
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                There should be free competition of ideas and opinions in society - this is the key to its stability and dynamic development.

                Are you the mantras of the liberals here reading? But what about your liberal censorship, even here?
                Stability and development, say .. well, in 90 your “freely competing ideas” supported by all the power of the state media, where there were enough “free-thinking” leaders, led to the collapse of the country — did you forget, or vice versa, crave this?
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                Your compatriot on the Internet, having expressed his point of view, will not change anything, if he is at least ten times an agent of the "State Department", Japanese, Polish and Ganduran intelligence. Unlike not virtual, but quite real people with British, Austrian, Swiss, etc. etc. residence permits from the Kremlin.

                Are you another kremleborets?
                But do not deign to characterize your position. For example, you a certain Girkin. Like your own, or a stranger?
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                expressing his point of view

                The point of view ... yes, it is different, but when, under one sauce or another, but shoved, an exclusively liberal point of view, nationalist from the category of Democrats or outright marginals from leftists united by one "dazzling" idea, is crushed on the Internet and demolished the Kremlin and live. .Reminds all the fuss of the orange that wave swept the world since 90 years.
                At the same time, contrary to his own liberal dogma, a different point of view, statesmen and patriots, is tabooed, censored.
                Why would such a split exist?
                And finally
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                quite a real people with British, Austrian, Swiss and so on. etc. residence permits from the Kremlin.

                Do you have one hundred percent evidence of this?
                Study.
                https://www.kdelo.ru/qa/4572-qqkss2-mojet-li-goss
                lujashchiy-imet-dvoynoe-grajdanstvo
                1. IvanTheTerrible
                  IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 13: 09
                  +16
                  If this is the opinion of a direct Russophobe, a direct traitor, will you give him the right to vote and the ability to do anything? Isn’t that why you are so fussing now that the time when the elements of the fifth column behaved as they like is over?

                  Who are the judges? Who personally gave you the right to judge who the fifth column is and a clear traitor?
                  And yes, in my opinion, the real fifth column is comfortably located in the Kremlin. And she behaves the way she wants, including tightening the screws so that those who are not indifferent to the fate of the fatherland can not only unite and openly confront lawlessness, but even just talk about the problems that Russia is facing.
                  Are you the mantras of the liberals here reading? But what about your liberal censorship, even here?
                  Stability and development, say .. well, in 90 your “freely competing ideas” supported by all the power of the state media, where there were enough “free-thinking” leaders, led to the collapse of the country — did you forget, or vice versa, crave this?

                  Those whom you consider liberals and their ideas have the same attitude to liberalism as the Russian Orthodox Church has to the Christian faith. At best, they are Ukrainian or Jewish liberals. I'm Russian.
                  Are you another kremleborets?
                  But do not deign to characterize your position. For example, you a certain Girkin. Like your own, or a stranger?

                  I love Russia. And accordingly I hate those who harm her.
                  Girkin is alien to me, because the Soviet statist is ordinary.

                  With such a person, I am not on the way.
                  The point of view ... yes, it is different, but when, under one sauce or another, but shoved, an exclusively liberal point of view, nationalist from the category of Democrats or outright marginals from leftists united by one "dazzling" idea, is crushed on the Internet and demolished the Kremlin and live. .Reminds all the fuss of the orange that wave swept the world since 90 years.

                  In the absence of politics, competition of ideas and opinions, the possibility of legally changing the power through elections, there is only one possibility for change - a power one. While the system is in its current form, a conditional "maidan" is inevitable, there is no alternative to it. And it is not the fifth column, the agents of the State Department and Papua New Guinea, who is preparing it, but the government itself, when it kills all competition in the field of politics.
                  Do you have one hundred percent evidence of this?

                  http://www.forbes.ru/news/295031-navalnyi-nashel-
                  v-londone-kvartiru-shuvalova-za-688-mln-rublei
                  A minute in google. Apartment in London, UK. In a member country of the aggressive NATO bloc with which we are "opposing", it should be noted. And this is not an exception to the rule, but the rule itself.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 31 July 2017 15: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                    Who are the judges? Who personally gave you the right to judge who the fifth column is and a clear traitor?

                    Yes, at least the Oath and Conscience. Not to mention the article of the corresponding Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, where the acts of some part of the so-called liberal opposition fall.
                    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                    And yes, in my opinion, the real fifth column is comfortably located in the Kremlin. And she behaves the way she wants, including tightening the screws so that those who are not indifferent to the fate of the fatherland can not only unite and openly confront lawlessness, but even just talk about the problems that Russia is facing.

                    So ... then you, as a liberal, are against liberals ... in the Kremlin ... yeah, but who of your liberal environment do you see there, in the Kremlin, as the savior of the Fatherland, so to speak?
                    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                    In the absence of politics, competition of ideas and opinions, the possibility of legally changing the power through elections, there is only one possibility for change - a power one. While the system is in its current form, a conditional "maidan" is inevitable, there is no alternative to it. And it is not the fifth column, the agents of the State Department and Papua New Guinea, who is preparing it, but the government itself, when it kills all competition in the field of politics.

                    Ah ... well, yes, yes, Lech Navalny, what is gundos, though he threw children under sticks.
                    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                    http://www.forbes.ru/news/295031-navalnyi-nashel-
                    v-londone-kvartiru-shuvalova-za-688-mln-rublei

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                    https://www.kdelo.ru/qa/4572-qqkss2-mojet-li-goss
                    lujashchiy-imet-dvoynoe-grajdanstvo [/ quote]
                    1. IvanTheTerrible
                      IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 15: 51
                      +6
                      Article 118 Constitution of the Russian Federation

                      1. Justice in the Russian Federation shall be administered only by a court.

                      2. Judicial power is exercised through constitutional, civil, administrative and criminal proceedings.

                      3. The judicial system of the Russian Federation is established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal constitutional law. Emergency courts are not allowed.

                      There is not a word about the "Oath and Conscience", as well as the "Criminal Code of the Russian Federation". I also remind you that the basis for bringing to justice is only the decision of the Court that has entered into legal force.
                      Otherwise, it turns out to be a “revolutionary sense of justice,” already passed - it resulted in a civil war, millions of dead and hundreds of thousands of refugees.
                      So ... then you are like a liberal, against liberals

                      Liberal liberal discord. There are Jewish liberals, Ukrainian, American, English - these wonderful people in the Kremlin are a wagon and a cart. Do you know who is not there? Russian liberals. To whom I relate myself.
                      I explain what a Russian liberal is: a Russian liberal is when, for his Russians, personal freedom combined with responsibility (for some reason we forget about this side), a fair independent court, inviolability of private property, free market relations within the country combined with protectionist measures aimed at protecting the domestic producer, and stranger - military communism, Eurasianism, a special path, revolutionary justice, etc. etc.
                      Ah ... well, yes, yes, Lech Navalny, what is gundos, though he threw children under sticks.

                      I do not care much that the FSB drain tank is "gundos".
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                      Strange, I go in without problems.
                      And yes, speaking of the inadmissibility of dual citizenship, one cannot help but recall that Ms. Maksakova’s dual citizenship did not hinder being a deputy of the State Duma.
                      http://www.compromat.ru/page_36312.htm
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 31 July 2017 16: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                        There is not a word about the "Oath and Conscience", as well as the "Criminal Code of the Russian Federation"

                        So what? It prohibits me from judging the words and deeds of pro-Western dealers, because I judge they are corrupt, and therefore pose a threat to my country. Do you forbid me to think so?
                        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                        Otherwise, it turns out to be a “revolutionary sense of justice,” already passed - it resulted in a civil war, millions of dead and hundreds of thousands of refugees.

                        You will learn History, and there the wines for Civil-White + ANTANTA and SRS
                        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                        I explain what a Russian liberal is: a Russian liberal is when, for his Russians, personal freedom combined with responsibility (for some reason we forget about this side), a fair independent court, inviolability of private property, free market relations within the country combined with protectionist measures aimed at protecting the domestic manufacturer

                        This is all blah blah blah, liberal, even Russian, even from the sultry sands of the Sahara, is not capable of this.
                        All your talk about the free market = complete nonsense that is already worth the blood of third world countries and is fraught with a big war — you cannot survive in your capitalism system, liberal system. You tell tales like the one that’s higher accuracy repeated the postulates, albeit in their own words, but the pinnacles of the evolution of Hitler's liberalism and his Mein Kampf.
                        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                        And yes, speaking of the inadmissibility of dual citizenship, one cannot help but recall that Ms. Maksakova’s dual citizenship did not hinder being a deputy of the State Duma.

                        All sorts of Maksakovs, Voronenkovs and hundreds of thousands more entrenched in London, supposedly Russian liberals, in essence expats, are superfluous in the country.
                        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                        I do not care much that the FSB drain tank is "gundos".

                        So who, instead of the hated Kremlin sitter, instead of you, can imagine the name of the next lamp and savior of the Fatherland?
                  2. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 31 July 2017 17: 32
                    +3
                    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                    In the absence of politics, competition of ideas and opinions, the possibility of legally changing the power through elections, there is only one possibility for change - a power one. While the system is in its current form, a conditional "maidan" is inevitable, there is no alternative to it. And it is not the fifth column, the agents of the State Department and Papua New Guinea, who is preparing it, but the government itself, when it kills all competition in the field of politics.

                    Sir, your arguments are void, and that is why. In Russia, we have a multi-party system. Each party goes to the polls with its own program. There is no need to breed a bodygirl now because all the leaders are fed and pour water on one mill. We will assume that formally, the Russians have an alternative choice, but we must admit that the Russians do not go to the polls, but for the most part they prefer to sit out in the kitchen and then sob about and for no reason until the next elections ...... If you noticed, then all the recent processes to dismantle statehood (Libya, Syria, Urkain) did not occur as a result of the invasion of the occupying forces, but as a result of the "work" of the opposition, which acts as a skirmisher to destroy the state. The phenomenon of external power occurs only later, when there is an occasion, under the pretext of "protecting" citizens from a "bloody despot." It turns out that any state, even one that has a fairly serious defense potential, can be blown up using internal "resources" based on the "opposition" and the radical terrorist underground. This way comes out much cheaper than trying to overthrow the state in direct armed confrontation. Urkainu was stolen for just 5 billion dollars. In the United States, the contingent in Afghanistan probably costs a billion a day. If Russia is strong enough to repulse the external aggressor, then why should it be weak in order to counter the internal enemy?
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 31 July 2017 10: 48
              +15
              it’s strange how did the Medvedev Government get into the Kremlin? Probably drove by metro? No one noticed. Liberal laws are passed, killing the retarded industry and ripping people off - everything is under the floor, no one knows. Horror. Underground and impostors
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 31 July 2017 21: 10
            +1
            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            The idea that other people might have a different opinion from that imposed by the state did not occur to you?

            Those who destroyed the USSR shouted about it at all angles. By the way, those who ruined RI - too.
            1. IvanTheTerrible
              IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 22: 03
              +5
              That is, you do not see point-blank that the state:
              1) condones embezzlement and the export of capital
              2) closely intertwined with organized crime, including ethnic
              3) continues the Leninist national policy of reverse discrimination, aimed at cultivating new nation-states in one's body and feeding already grown and dropped out in 1991
              4) imports hundreds of thousands of Central Asian migrants, which undermines the labor market and lowers the already low standard of living of citizens
              5) stupid bans radicalize the younger generation
              It seems to me that this is what leads to the collapse. And it's not liberals / nationalists / fascists / Vlasovites / White Guard
              yy shortcomings. This makes the power itself, with their own hands.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 31 July 2017 22: 27
                +2
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                That is, you do not see point blank that the state

                1) This is called capitalism.
                2) Corruption will always be. It can be driven into any borders, but it is impossible to eradicate.
                3) And what is this? "Stop feeding the Caucasus"? As for the "fallen away" - give them to the United States?
                4) Does it deliver itself?
                5) And what exactly are the prohibitions?
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 31 July 2017 22: 57
                  +4
                  that is, for the prosperity of capitalism in Russia, we all die together with the words "Glory to GDP?" Since capitalism, then do not blame me, man to man is a wolf and a competitor. Hence our whole life. And there is nothing to complain about low salaries, pensions, dying hospitals. Everything is done right!
                  For now:
                  The minimum wage (minimum wage) is only 7,8 thousand rubles. While the cost of living (subsistence level) does not exceed 10 thousand rubles. There are 22 million people in the country with incomes below the subsistence level. It’s not even poverty - poverty! So, according to the data for 2016, the minimum wage in Iran amounted to $ 225 per month. And at purchasing power parity (PPP) reached an amount of $ 900. At the same time, the Iranian economy grew by 11% last year. The Russian one, which also relies heavily on oil revenues, is not known to have grown at all during this time. Now the minimum wage in Iran is three times higher than the Russian one.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 1 August 2017 19: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Overlock
                    Since capitalism, then do not blame me, man is wolf and competitor to man.

                    And when was it different?
                    Why failed to build communism? Traitors? Economy? This is all secondary, the main thing is the people themselves.
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 1 August 2017 20: 56
                      0
                      but as they used to say: “community is the Soviet people.” Agree, there were no such relations between people as they are now. Just reasoning logically, everything is fine with us: capitalist medicine, capitalist police, and further down the list. And we appeal to philanthropy, conscience, compassion, mutual assistance, etc. Under capitalism, all these qualities are not needed. And there is no word "comrade", there is a Master.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 2 August 2017 06: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Overlock
                        but as they used to say: “community is the Soviet people.” Agree, there were no such relations between people as they are now.

                        But wasn’t it? There were fewer opportunities to manifest them, but where they were essentially nothing has changed. Humanity is a biological species, no more, no less, and you can’t get away from it.
      2. IvanTheTerrible
        IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 10: 13
        +11
        Ask your overseas hosts

        I have no owners, I am a Russian citizen - the owner of Russian land.
        where there is no nationality at all

        You, like all Soviet people, do not make out the nation and ethnos (your nationality). The American nation is very much there, and of what ethnic groups it consists of the tenth case. In addition, in English, the word nation and state are practically synonymous, since there, as in other normal countries, the state is subordinate to the will of the nation, and not vice versa.
        What became scary ?! That's right, such "patriots" like you and others like you must push in the bud!

        Again your BDSM fantasies. Find a partner for yourself already and be happy, for sure there are special resources on the network for this.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 31 July 2017 10: 33
          +3
          [quote = IvanTheTerrible] You, like all Soviet ones, do not make out the nation and ethnos (your nationality). The American nation is very much there, and of what ethnic groups it consists of the tenth thing. [/ Quote]
          Therefore, during the survey, only 5% of those polled during the census in the United States called themselves simply American. And the rest indicated 205 nationalities and tribal affiliations?
          What nation is there, what are you talking about?
          [quote = IvanTheTerrible] You, like all Soviet people, do not make out the nation and ethnos (your nationality). [/ quote]
          That's how Russian and Soviet, if you like, I distinguish, there is a unifying nationalism, on which the Russian Land has always stood, but there is tribal, tribal, leading to nowhere. Is it difficult for you to understand?
          quote = IvanTheTerrible] Once again your BDSM fantasies. Find a partner for yourself already and be happy, for sure there are special resources on the network for this. [/ Quote]
          This is called an insult, why are you going down to a level ... more precisely, below the sewage level?
          1. IvanTheTerrible
            IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 10: 49
            +9
            Therefore, during the survey, only 5% of those polled during the census in the United States called themselves simply American. And the rest indicated 205 nationalities and tribal affiliations?

            Can you link to the results? Preferably in English.
            That's how Russian and Soviet, if you like, I distinguish, there is a unifying nationalism, on which the Russian Land has always stood, but there is tribal, tribal, leading to nowhere. Is it difficult for you to understand?

            You are talking about ethnic nationalism (we convey greetings to Leninist national politics with indigenization and reverse discrimination against the Russian majority - this policy has not gone anywhere, the Russian authorities are still faithful to it) and political (a triune Russian people into which a representative of any ethnic group can join having absorbed Russian culture and law). I am a supporter of the latest model, no matter how hard it is to notice.
            This is called an insult, why are you going down to a level ... more precisely, below the sewage level?

            This is a friendly advice to a suffering soul, and not an insult: you need to be blind so as not to notice the corresponding deviations in every statement of Ms. Ilyina. Personally, I, being a liberal, do not see anything immoral in what people do in their bedroom, if it makes them happy, and the right to strive for happiness is granted to us by God.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 31 July 2017 12: 53
              +2
              Quote: IvanTheTerrible
              Can you link to the results? Preferably in English.

              What do you want? Do your work for you? Work hard.
              Quote: IvanTheTerrible
              You are talking about ethnic nationalism (we say hello to Leninist national politics with indigenous and reverse discrimination against the Russian majority - this policy has not gone away, the Russian authorities are still loyal to it)

              Nonsense is complete.
              Quote: IvanTheTerrible
              Personally, I, being a liberal

              Well, you, being a liberal, lying at every step, insulting a person, you then went into lengthy explanations saying that somewhere somewhere under a candle, a well-mannered person would not allow himself to talk about a woman, much less write what you deigned to betray.
              In general, a liberal by conviction is a person who is not able to be a citizen. When you have already learned that all your freedoms end exactly at the end of your nose, and everything else is a duty and a right.
              Quote: IvanTheTerrible
              I am a supporter of the latest model, no matter how hard it is to notice.

              You are a supporter of the National Democracy, do not prevaricate
              1. IvanTheTerrible
                IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 13: 46
                +5
                What do you want? Do your work for you? Work hard.

                Since I refer to the information, it seems to me that the source should be pointed out to you.
                From the wiki: "In the 2010 census, only a short form was used, which consists of ten basic questions, including name, gender, age, date of birth, nationality, race, availability of real estate." Nationality = ethnic origin, not nation. In the USA, nation = citizenship. Accordingly, it is quite natural that the American nationality (ethnos) corresponds to the number of Indians - Native Americans, the rest are migrants.
                a well-mannered person will not allow himself to talk about a woman, much less write what you deigned to betray.

                Ms. Ilyina is not a woman, Ms. Ilna - COMRADE! So I comradely and advised me to finally admit the hidden and find personal happiness))
                You are a supporter of the National Democracy, do not prevaricate

                What do you! I’m directly like the Alexander Column. I assure you that I have absolutely no relation to the genetic democrats from Zhmerynka and Konotop))
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 31 July 2017 15: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                  I’m directly like the Alexander Column.

                  And all your straightforwardness curve is brilliantly described here.
                  https://cont.ws/@alexandr-rogers/677626
                  Katz of the last forces requires surrender


                  On these Internet, texts of a whole series of Russian liberals appeared absolutely synchronously. Their simultaneous appearance and the same semantic content involuntarily suggest the temniks (manuals), which were launched by sponsors and grantors.
                  Moreover, texts almost identical in meaning appeared to the “political technologist” Gleb Pavlovsky, the Dozhd journalists, the “political” refugees from Russia wanted for theft and corruption, the liberal analysts on the “Elephant” and some representatives of the “creative intelligentsia”.
                  1. IvanTheTerrible
                    IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 17: 31
                    +5
                    I repeat: what you call liberalism has the same relation to it as the “thieves” to classical symphonic music.
                    1. Ryazan87
                      Ryazan87 2 August 2017 18: 51
                      0
                      By God, I am amazed at your patience. Bravo!
              2. AUL
                AUL 31 July 2017 13: 56
                +5
                In general, a liberal by conviction is a person who is not able to be a citizen. When you have already learned that all your freedoms end exactly at the end of your nose, and everything else is a duty and a right.
                Wow! It is said with a very authoritative look! Type, no doubt. But no, doubts still arise! I remember, in the recent past, everyone who thought differently as ordered in the next editorial of the newspaper Pravda was declared an enemy of the people, a renegade, a spy and other bad words. Now it’s not so tough (thank God), you can somehow express your opinion (though with zero efficiency, Vaska listens, but eats). But you don’t even like it. What are you spraying with saliva? At the call of the heart or in accordance with official duties? If the latter, then you will not see another star for a long time. It’s hacky to you somehow, it would be wiser to do it, and not just a loud voice with the appearance of a great connoisseur.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 31 July 2017 14: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: AUL
                  Wow! It is said with a very authoritative look! Type, no doubt.

                  You want to say that, for example, Dryndin from Yabloko or Sytin, is something that can be called a Russian patriot with a great-overwhelming stretch?
                  Quote: AUL
                  I remember, in the recent past, everyone who thought differently from what was ordered in the next editorial of the Pravda newspaper,

                  As it turned out in the Pravda newspaper, there were just a lot of TRUTIONS. Or do you relate to admirers, for example, Makarevich and Nazarov (a mediocre actress) who fell into outright Russophobia, and the second was completely at the service of Bandera?
                  Are you against these respected people?
                  http://allavasenka.livejournal.com/402828.html
                  For these, which in the collage below the same link?
                  Quote: AUL
                  What are you spraying with saliva? At the call of the heart or in accordance with official duties? If the latter, then you will not see another star for a long time. It’s hacky to you somehow, it would be wiser to do it, and not just a loud voice with the appearance of a great connoisseur.

                  Judging by your fuss, with splashes of anything horrible, you describe yourself, so foolishly that it immediately becomes clear which side you are on.
                  1. AUL
                    AUL 31 July 2017 17: 50
                    +1
                    .Or do you relate to admirers, for example, Makarevich and Nazarov (a mediocre actress) who fell into outright Russophobia, and the second was completely in the service of Bandera?
                    Well, another demagogic pearl! Did I say anything about these characters? No, YOU said this, and do not ascribe to me your stupidities!
                    You want to say that, for example, Dryndin from Yabloko or Sytin, is something that can be called a Russian patriot with a great-overwhelming stretch?
                    And what, I wanted to say this? When? Attribute your nonsense to me again! I said exactly what I wanted to say, no less and no more. So for your unbridled imagination I do not bear any responsibility.
                    Yes, not soon you will receive an asterisk! Hack at the service!
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 31 July 2017 17: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: AUL
                      Yes, not soon you will receive an asterisk! Hack at the service!

                      You see a lot of work?
                      Quote: AUL
                      demagogic pearl!

                      Yours, yes, undoubtedly.
                      1. AUL
                        AUL 31 July 2017 18: 03
                        +3
                        Yes, I worked hard for my life. And not with the tongue, but with the head. And I am not ashamed of my work - my developments are still used in industry, they work and are developing. But I don’t have to blame me in demagogy - I write essentially without distorting, I do not ascribe my stupidity to others!
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 31 July 2017 20: 29
                        +1
                        [quote = AUL is not ashamed of my work - my developments are still used in industry, they work and are developing. [/ quote]
                        This makes me happy.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        But I don’t have to blame me in demagogy - I write essentially without distorting, I do not ascribe my stupidity to others!

                        This is your lie, that is what you did.
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Quote: AUL
                        What are you spraying with saliva? At the call of the heart or in accordance with official duties? If the latter, then you will not see another star for a long time. It’s hacky to you somehow, it would be wiser to do it, and not just a loud voice with the appearance of a great connoisseur.

                        This is your pearl, but here you come screaming towards me, accusing me of something you have dreamed of. Therefore, you are the demagogue and your stupidity showed, unfortunately.
                        Quote: AUL
                        I remember, in the recent past, everyone who thought differently as ordered in the next editorial of the newspaper Pravda was declared an enemy of the people, a renegade, a spy and other bad words. Now it’s not so tough (thank God), you can somehow express your opinion (though with zero efficiency, Vaska listens, but eats). But you don’t even like it. What are you spraying with saliva?

                        These are your cries, not mine. So, before you get in to where they are not asking, read what it is about.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 31 July 2017 10: 54
          +9
          do not pay attention to stubborn ones. In Ukraine, stubborn nationalists of dissenters are being killed, our stubborn "patriots" are preparing for this.
          "That's right, such" patriots "like you and your kind must be pressed in the bud!" - quote.
          They consider themselves only patriots, since they are a caste, and dissenters are enemies, liberals. Such judgments led to a civil war. Now for this it would be necessary to isolate. "There is nothing worse than a helpful fool" - as they say, I would add a "stubborn fool." Stupidity and absolutism of thinking borders on schizophrenia
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 31 July 2017 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: Overlock
            "There is nothing worse than a helpful fool" - as they say, I would add a "stubborn fool." Stupidity and absolutism of thinking borders on schizophrenia

            This is you about the so-called opposition in the Russian Federation, we will specify a non-systemic one, such as these.
            So, Ilya Ponomarev, a former deputy of the State Duma from the Just Russia party, and now a fugitive suspected of a criminal offense and a representative of the off-system opposition, called on Kiev to arm anti-state forces in Russia.

            http://kolokolrussia.ru/pyataya-kolonna/pyataya-k
            olonna-idet-v-terror # hcq = F9GjXqq
            “Ilya Vladimirovich hardly even guessed what a comic effect he caused with his wet fantasies. No, you just imagine a sniper Leonid Gozman, rocket launcher Alexander Sytin, sapper-reconnaissance Dmitry Bykov, medical officer Bozena Rynsk, special forces Borovoy (who, by his own admission, has a black karate belt). Oh, there are many more of them, for each VUS there is. And the campaign of this column to storm the Kremlin. I imagined. I can’t take it anymore. All to attack. And Ilya Ponomarev with Alexei Navalny - at the command post. And who will give the parabellum Ilya Vladimirovich? Will he leave for Alexei or himself?
            Only here are jokes, jokes, but Ilya Vladimirovich told himself in this interview, in addition to the already purely financial criminality for a couple more, much more serious articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. And, I hope, the competent authorities will not miss these revelations of the former deputy, but they will not miss the current traitor. ”KP observer Alexander Grishin
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 31 July 2017 22: 45
              +1
              what kind of opposition is it? These are clowns
      3. basmach
        basmach 31 July 2017 10: 53
        +20
        Oh madame, stop talking nonsense. If someone is against your opinion about GDP and government, then right away- "liberoids, western fosterlings." Recently, it seems that only government propaganda has remained in your minds like you, and the ability to soberly interpret the situation has evaporated. I’m an officer (and I became one in the USSR), I also think that one of the main tasks of the Russian Guard is (by the way, read what is included in its tasks, one of the points is to preserve the constitutional order) it’s not for nothing that armored bulldozers are adopted , water cannons and other "charms" of democracy) - suppression of mass protests by the population in the event of a sharp aggravation of the situation (primarily economic), not only throughout the country, but in the capital and several large cities. And what is happening now is the combat coordination of this structure, the running-in. The second option is also possible — strengthening the “power” wing in the government to carry out a power coup. For such purposes, the Rosguard is simply the perfect tool.
        Now it’s interesting to me — I will also be ranked among the “fosterlings of the West who receive money for the collapse of Russia).?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 31 July 2017 13: 00
          +2
          Quote: basmach
          I’m an officer (and I became one in the USSR), I also think that one of the main tasks of the Russian Guard is (by the way, read what is in its tasks, one of the points is to preserve the constitutional order) it’s not for nothing that armored bulldozers are adopted , water cannons and other "charms" of democracy) - suppression of mass protests by the population in the event of a sharp aggravation of the situation (primarily economic), not only throughout the country, but in the capital and several large cities.

          Well, if you, an officer, how do you not understand that this function existed, exists and will exist always and everywhere as long as there is a state and its interests?
          A bunch of various fords, for example, carried out a coup d'etat in Ukraine — was the President of Ukraine entitled to use the entire arsenal of explosive weapons against the infuriated flock of nationalists led by liberals? He was right and had to do it, he didn’t, the Civil War and losses.
          Quote: basmach
          The second option is also possible — strengthening the “power” wing in the government to carry out a power coup. For such purposes, the Rosguard is simply the perfect tool.

          Correctly done, do you not, as an officer, understand that a herd of untrained warriors is more dangerous for yourself than a company of trained soldiers? You really don’t understand that, for example, in the case of a riot inspired from the West in Moscow, for example, or in Yekaterinburg, where there’s a nest of all russophobic , that same NG will carry out functions to restore order, or would you prefer carpet bombing?
          And the last thing,
          Quote: basmach
          I’m an officer (and he became one in the USSR), a communist

          You emphasized your status so to speak, well, so comply with it, and do not be compared with any agglopoddannym, squealing from London about the dangers of NG.
          1. basmach
            basmach 31 July 2017 18: 51
            +3
            And you didn’t understand anything written. Well, an attempt to use the "Golden Eagle" gave something, no. Again, the cliche is "inspired from the West riot." I have a question for you - the last 1,5 of the year in Gukovo is the ongoing confrontation between the miners (also apparently following your logic of "feeding the West", will you try to tell them or what?) And employers with the complete connivance of the authorities. Is it inspired by the west? Or maybe almost 1,5 thousand strikes over the past year, when workers demanded that their rights be respected (including salary payments), also the machinations of the West. But unlike you, the authorities understand that there are still many in the country who know how to fasten the store and turn the shutter. But at the same time, he understands that most of the army will not go against the people (although, like in 93, there are a handful of renegades, but there would have been a Rosguard ...)
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 31 July 2017 23: 09
              0
              Quote: basmach
              But unlike you, the authorities understand that there are still many in the country who know how to fasten the store and turn the shutter. And at the same time, he understands that most of the army will not go against the people

              And in the WG, are not representatives of the people serving?
      4. domokl
        31 July 2017 20: 42
        0
        [quote = IvanTheTerrible] What kind of nation do we have a "national guard"?
        What national guard do you have I do not know. In Russia, it is simply called the Rosguard-Russian Guard. We do not divide Russians by faces, by going to church, mosque or synagogue ... We are just all Russians. Russians from different places of Russia!
        1. IvanTheTerrible
          IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 22: 04
          +4
          You may be a Russian, along with the hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov. I was born Russian - Russian and die.
    2. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 31 July 2017 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      Which nation is our "national guard"? After all, the constitution does not say that the Russian Federation is a national state, it refers to the "multinational people of the Russian Federation."

      Do not confuse the concept of "nation" and "nationality." There are many nationalities, and a nation is the whole people living in a state. This is a broader concept.
      Here we have the KNB (National Security Committee), they ensure the security of the whole nation, all Kazakhstanis, and not one specific nationality.

      Read more about the nation and nationality here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
    3. domokl
      31 July 2017 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      What kind of nation do we have "national guard"?

      And you men from the military police in Syria will ask ... The muzzles are black, the hair is black, Allah's glory is spoken many times daily ... And they put their lives daily ...
      Fuck knows where these Russians are from. They say from Grozny ... But what the Russians are for sure! "
    4. A.Kaledin
      A.Kaledin 31 July 2017 23: 14
      +1
      a ready-made tool in case of a rebellion of citizens against kleptothy.
      Who is tyrannizing you, a disease?
  8. den-protector
    den-protector 31 July 2017 09: 18
    +6
    Time will show how the decision to create the FSVNG of Russia was correct and timely. The decision was made by the country's leadership, and what real reasons were the basis of this decision, we do not know. Probably, many will agree that one word in the name was not chosen very well - "national". Firstly, our “independent” pseudo-media since 2014 constantly criticized a similar structure on the outskirts with an emphasis on the “Nazis,” which means you can call it a power structure in order to leave the damned legacy of totalitarian Soviet power in the past (the name is internal troops ) Secondly, we have not a mononational, but a multinational state, although on the other hand the structure is also called in the USA. Apparently, they thoughtlessly copied from the Americans, as usual. True, we use a more politically correct name - Rosguard. If anyone remembers, the Federal Tax Police Service of Russia, the Federal Migration Service of Russia, and the Federal Drug Control Service of Russia were created and then liquidated. And each creature had a lot of good reason. And then they all quietly covered. The tax police were covered up because it hindered hucksters to steal large-scale. The relevant units in the Ministry of Internal Affairs are mainly involved in stick small things, their rights and numbers are substantially cut. But tax evaders didn’t less. The FMS of Russia does not understand why it stood out in a separate structure. The Federal Drug Control Service of Russia was created, as it were, to fight the narcotic "krupnyak". Apparently, the "krupnyak" finally overcame, we had less drugs, like let the Ministry of Internal Affairs finish off the leftovers. Where is the logic? I won’t be surprised if in ten years and the National Guard will be written off as an expense, if the creators feel that there will be no social explosion.
    1. Oden280
      Oden280 31 July 2017 09: 30
      +4
      You still forgot the destruction of the GUBOP system.
      1. den-protector
        den-protector 31 July 2017 09: 44
        +6
        I agree. Apparently organized crime was eliminated, or, most likely, they themselves headed it. So many professionals lost. Now you look at the police officer, so there are only tears. People flee from there, no salary and other benefits do not hold. There are fewer and fewer professionals. More temporary workers to solve their selfish issues. Sincerely sorry for the degrading structure.
        1. domokl
          31 July 2017 17: 31
          0
          Quote: den-protector
          Now look at the personnel of the police, so one tears. People b

          So what? Hands up? or an old imp for taking me? Fuck there. The police of the 9 police did not die) ... There were too many wolfhounds there, so that there were no descendants
      2. IvanTheTerrible
        IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 11: 13
        +4
        Even when this system existed, it was ironically called the "Office for Combating Poorly Organized Crime"
    2. creak
      creak 31 July 2017 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: den-protector
      although on the other hand in the USA the structure is also called. Apparently, they thoughtlessly copied from the Americans, as usual.

      The name is the same, but the functions of the United States NG are much wider .... In normal times in the USA, the NG is subordinate to the state governors where its formations are deployed ... In the event of an emergency, parts of the NG are used to strengthen the police and, if necessary, perform the functions of our Ministry of Emergencies.
      At the same time, NG is a combat-ready reserve of the US Armed Forces and the President of the country can, by decree, transfer it to his subordination and engage it for combat operations, including and abroad - US NG has already been noted in the hostilities in Iraq and Afghanistan ... Our Rosguard is directly subordinate to GDP and no one else.
      There are also significant differences from our Rosguard in the principles of recruitment and service.
      PS I had a chance to see the Guards at one mass event - the conscripted boys in police uniforms only on their backs, instead of the police, the Russian Guard was written ....
  9. trophy
    trophy 31 July 2017 09: 43
    +5
    The structure is new, people are old. As they were stupid, without initiative performers who did not know how to make more or less responsible decisions, they remained so. I had a sad experience communicating this year on the topic of civilian arms trafficking. For the sake of "sticks" they organized problems for themselves and me. As a result, wasted day on both sides. Okay, I'm on vacation, and they could have been at that time instead of catching some kind of villain to catch my brains. By the way, the ordinary cops from the Tuapse regional department turned out to be an order of magnitude more adequate, smarter and more responsible than the newly made national guards.
    1. domokl
      31 July 2017 17: 38
      0
      These bastards and bastards did not want to break the law? How, you did not violate anything, brought all the information and did not give permission? shoot nafig .. two times .. and with different calibers ..
      The thing is that there are many laws and legislative acts that regulate every sneeze .. And for you and against. So what, the police are not to blame..Instruction ....
  10. Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 31 July 2017 09: 58
    +1
    centuries also have naval units ......
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 31 July 2017 10: 58
      +1
      now 3 fleets: 1.this, 2. VV and 3.Moroshchiki FSB border troops
      1. Geronimo73
        Geronimo73 22 August 2017 11: 13
        0
        now is it from the late 1970s?
  11. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 31 July 2017 10: 24
    0
    I remember that the Ministry of Emergencies was in the 90s according to the father and special forces and paratroopers. and something I don’t remember yelling why they need them)))
  12. Overlock
    Overlock 31 July 2017 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: den-protector
    Apparently organized crime was eliminated, or, most likely, they themselves headed it.

    that's for sure
  13. Overlock
    Overlock 31 July 2017 11: 08
    +4
    Quote: badens1111
    Yes? And who actually did all this as not-so-called liberals, since the time of Yeltsin? Who, even now in the economy and financial bloc at Medvedev, continues all this bacchanalia, aren't the liberals? They are.

    What then to do with it?
    Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with Russian and foreign journalists in Krasnaya Polyana confirmed that he is "a true liberal and holds liberal views." The Russian leader said this in response to a journalist’s question about whether amnesty declared before the Sochi Olympics is a real liberal effort in the framework of the Russian Federation’s policy.

    and with that?
    In the issue of choosing a prime minister, the initiative belongs to the president. The Constitution spells out the time when the first person of the country is obliged to voice his proposal. For thought, the President of the Russian Federation is given exactly two weeks. During this time, he is obliged to submit his candidacy to the State Duma.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 31 July 2017 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with Russian and foreign journalists in Krasnaya Polyana confirmed that he is "a true liberal and holds liberal views."

      It’s your happiness that he said so and so far adheres to this point of view, otherwise many of those crying out for any nonsense would have gone to cut cedars long ago with a jigsaw.
      Quote: Overlock
      In the issue of choosing a prime minister, the initiative belongs to the president. The Constitution spells out the time when the first person of the country is obliged to voice his proposal. For thought, the President of the Russian Federation is given exactly two weeks. During this time, he is obliged to submit his candidacy to the State Duma.

      The toxic asset of MedVeda is already being debited.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 31 July 2017 13: 57
        +8
        Quote: badens1111
        and while adhering to this point of view, otherwise many of those yelling all sorts of nonsense would have gone to cut cedars long ago with a jigsaw.

        In the 91st year, as a result of the counter-revolutionary coup, the bourgeois class defeated, the representative and exponent of which is the GDP. dot.
        Quote: badens1111
        The toxic asset of MedVeda is already being debited.

        I remind you that Nedimon headed the campaign headquarters of the GDP.
        And look for the roots in the dog’s hall.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 31 July 2017 14: 50
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          In the 91st year, as a result of the counter-revolutionary coup, the bourgeois class defeated

          Undoubtedly.
          Quote: Stroporez
          representative and spokesman of which, GDP is

          Indeed, it is, only here, ask yourself, why, regardless of what is the power and system in Russia, the West against Russia?
          Ask yourself, I’m not an admirer of GDP, but who, instead of? Is there such a thing in our country?
          Quote: Stroporez
          I remind you that Nedimon headed the campaign headquarters of the GDP.

          Have they opened me to America?
          You with such fervor and fervor, colleague, rush at all kinds of different liberals, there will be more use ..
          Quote: Stroporez
          And look for the roots in the dog’s hall.

          Superficially, very superficially ... "Comrades, implementation, took place" (FSB board)
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 31 July 2017 17: 04
            +4
            Quote: badens1111
            Ask yourself, I’m not an admirer of GDP, but who, instead of? Is there such a thing in our country?

            Let's have no colleague tantrums!
            No need to humiliate themselves, and especially all the lieutenant colonels and colonels of Russia. What is better GDP? Let's objectively.
            Quote: badens1111
            Superficially, very superficially ... "Comrades, implementation, took place" (FSB board)

            Colleague, if the bottles are in the basket, then everything is drunk?
            Well google, little by little .....
            Once again I say that the GDP manager is not effective !!! he is not a king or a hero, but only a man who strangled and destroyed all the economic activity in the country, throwing all the financial flows into the “Sechin cellos”.
            Can you argue with that?
            I love your homeland just like you, but I hate the state! What are the contradictions?
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 31 July 2017 17: 27
              0
              Quote: Stroporez
              Let's have no colleague tantrums!

              Well, don’t start.
              Quote: Stroporez
              I love your homeland just like you, but I hate the state! What are the contradictions?

              There is a homeland without a state? Yes, probably in the form of a COLONY.
              Is there a state without a homeland? Yes there is, the Holy See, the Vatican is called.
              Could the Russian State exist if the people inhabiting it at once forget everything, that its state and the MOTHERLAND are synonyms, one does not exist without the other. In the 90s, very many forgot this, are they happy with the result? I don’t.
              The rulers come and go, the motherland remains, to concentrate everything and everything, exclusively on Putin ... Volta, this is not a panacea or a solution to problems.
              Quote: Stroporez
              Once again I say that the GDP manager is not effective !!! he is not a king or a hero, but only a man who strangled and destroyed all the economic activity in the country, throwing all the financial flows into the “Sechin cellos”.

              This would have been justified, if everything had really been in ruins, but that was far from the case. 90 and now there is a difference.
              The trouble with the patriotic opposition — the liberals — that you act like spread fingers — will you argue?
              The fact that the current course, has outlived itself, is a fact, we look at what and how, who will run for the March 2018 election. Why does the Shoigu figure cause such a fright to the liberals ..
              there is such a comparison.
              http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/analysis/view/57006/
              and there is such an opinion
              https://topwar.ru/9659-rf-protiv-rsfsr-nekotorye-
              promyshlennye-pokazateli.html
              It is interesting to read the comments of those times.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 31 July 2017 23: 51
                +5
                Quote: badens1111
                Why do liberals get so frightened by the figure of Shoigu ..

                And whose suddenly am I liberal?
                Communist!
                And Shoigu, the same hat as the gdp ...
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 1 August 2017 09: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  And whose suddenly am I liberal?

                  Did I, dear, call you a liberal? And I didn’t have this intention, just the bustle of the liberals around the intention on the account of Shoigu — God forbid, what is he talking about?
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  And Shoigu, the same hat as the gdp ...

                  Once again .. well you can’t personify everything and everyone around one name.
                  Second, Putin is bad, good, since the screech is from outside the country and partly from the inside by absolutely corrupt pro-Western forces, well and good, therefore, criticism is good, but you should not slip into pure criticism.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 31 July 2017 22: 48
        +1
        Medvedev is sacred. We don’t give our own!
  14. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 31 July 2017 12: 21
    0
    Quote: basmach
    Oh madame, stop talking nonsense. If someone is against your opinion about GDP and government, then right away- "liberoids, western fosterlings." Recently, it seems that only government propaganda has remained in your minds like you, and the ability to soberly interpret the situation has evaporated. I’m an officer (and I became one in the USSR), I also think that one of the main tasks of the Russian Guard is (by the way, read what is included in its tasks, one of the points is to preserve the constitutional order) it’s not for nothing that armored bulldozers are adopted , water cannons and other "charms" of democracy) - suppression of mass protests by the population in the event of a sharp aggravation of the situation (primarily economic), not only throughout the country, but in the capital and several large cities. And what is happening now is the combat coordination of this structure, the running-in. The second option is also possible — strengthening the “power” wing in the government to carry out a power coup. For such purposes, the Rosguard is simply the perfect tool.
    Now it’s interesting to me — I will also be ranked among the “fosterlings of the West who receive money for the collapse of Russia).?

    And that is, she should not be ready for this? Ukraine was not ready and what happened to it, huh? While there are no people who can replace the GDP, even Zyuganov. If Putin were not needed, he would not have been supported by such a huge majority, this has never happened. Putin is most afraid of a coup among his own; therefore, he will reassign his law enforcement agencies so that cases of which they do not go against him. And for many thousands of protests, there is no reason so far, and the people will not mess with the police, as the punishment for this is very serious.
    1. domokl
      31 July 2017 17: 50
      +1
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      Putin is most afraid of a coup among his own; therefore, he will subordinate his law enforcement agencies so that they will not go against the incidents.

      In general, quite adequately reason. You can say soberly.
      But in essence? The fact is that Ukraine has highlighted a huge problem for Russia. Good police have betrayed their homeland on the orders of ... traitors
      Do you know why Putin is not afraid of anything today? Exactly because 8 of 10 readers will go to fight for him. More precisely, not for Putin and his ilk, but for the course followed by the country ...
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 31 July 2017 20: 50
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        and for the course that the country follows ...

        And what is the course of the country Putin and others like him?
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 31 July 2017 23: 16
          +4
          not clear yet, but the end of the tunnel is near
  15. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 31 July 2017 14: 13
    +2
    Excellent cheers well done. And before the Ministry of Internal Affairs that could not cope
    God be with her is another intelligence agency. Let it be. But the question remains why.
    1. domokl
      31 July 2017 17: 53
      +2
      Cope .. How many terrorist groups and gangs Ministry of Internal Affairs eliminated before the formation of the WG?
      do not show yourself Ukrainian
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 31 July 2017 21: 46
        +2
        That is, without the Guard grew up, they did not fight terrorists
        They waited for the uncle of the Black Sea to bring their heroes.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 31 July 2017 23: 17
          +2
          Of course they couldn’t cope, loafers. And how in the WG they crossed, they were inspired, squared their shoulders and forward
  16. IvanTheTerrible
    IvanTheTerrible 31 July 2017 17: 25
    +2
    badens1111,
    So what? It prohibits me from judging the words and deeds of pro-Western dealers, because I judge they are corrupt, and therefore pose a threat to my country. Do you forbid me to think so?

    Well what are you! You wave to think anything and freely express your opinion, but you have no right to impose it.
    You will learn History, and there the wines for Civil-White + ANTANTA and SRS

    It was not whites with arms in their hands that they dispersed the legal and legitimate representative body - the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, through which Russia was to reach consensus on its further path. This was done by the Bolsheviks. And this means that the responsibility for the civil war rests entirely with them.
    All your chatter about the free market = complete nonsense

    This nonsense works. Unlike.
    the pinnacles of the evolution of liberalism-hitler and his mine kampf

    Hitler is actually a socialist. German nationalsocialist worker the consignment. Russian social democratic worker batch, for comparison.
    All sorts of Maksakovs, Voronenkovs and hundreds of thousands more entrenched in London, supposedly Russian liberals, in essence expats, are superfluous in the country.

    Where did you see the liberals? Every first one is a statesman-patriot, with a residence permit, family and accounts in the countries of the NATO aggressive bloc, with which we confront (they are engaged in subversive work, trying to break up the "bloody nature" from the inside - after all, everyone knows that money is evil, which means they need transfer to enemy states so that they drown in this evil laughing )
    So who, instead of the hated Kremlin sitter, instead of you, can imagine the name of the next lamp and savior of the Fatherland?

    Any non-systemic politician in the Russian Federation is sent either to places not so distant, or to the country of eternal hunting. Because the political system is so unnatural and vicious that it is unable to withstand any real competition.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 31 July 2017 17: 39
      0
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      Well what are you! You wave to think anything and freely express your opinion, but you have no right to impose it.

      Yes? And am I really imposing it? Many people think so, since you are few.
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      It was not whites with arms in their hands that they dispersed the legal and legitimate representative body - the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, through which Russia was to reach consensus on its further path. This was done by the Bolsheviks.

      They did the right thing, having dispersed this talking room, the country was spreading before our eyes, and the Februaryists all played boltology.
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      Hitler is actually a socialist. German National Socialist Workers Party. Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, for comparison.

      Did you come up with this yourself, or have you been ordered to repeat this cliche?

      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      Every first one is a statesman-patriot, with a residence permit, family and accounts in the countries of the NATO aggressive bloc, with which we confront (they are engaged in subversive work, trying to break up the "bloody nature" from the inside - after all, everyone knows that money is evil, which means they need transfer to enemy states so that they drown in this evil

      You famously disavow yours. Ilya Ponomarev, then not yours?
      Quote: IvanTheTerrible
      Any non-systemic politician in the Russian Federation is sent either to places not so distant, or to the country of eternal hunting. Because the political system is so unnatural and vicious that it is unable to withstand any real competition.

      Is this a hint of Lech Navalny? And .. children under the batons of the police, it’s possible, but for violating the Law, I’m liberals and democrats. Is that why ???
      You would keep silent, the non-systemic liberal and even the systematic same liberal company, your level of support in the country is 0,2%.
      You, not you, in fact. But your whole liberal company, ZERO in the political field of the country. You personify the system that causes rejection among the people.
      Fighting the Kremlin .. yeah, it's funny.
      “Ilya Vladimirovich hardly even guessed what a comic effect he caused with his wet fantasies. No, you just imagine a sniper Leonid Gozman, rocket launcher Alexander Sytin, sapper-reconnaissance Dmitry Bykov, medical officer Bozena Rynsk, special forces Borovoy (who, by his own admission, has a black karate belt). Oh, there are many more of them, for each VUS there is. And the campaign of this column to storm the Kremlin. I imagined. I can’t take it anymore. All to attack. And Ilya Ponomarev with Alexei Navalny - at the command post. And who will give the parabellum Ilya Vladimirovich? Will he leave it for himself or Alexey? "KP observer Alexander Grishin
  17. serg2108
    serg2108 31 July 2017 18: 06
    +1
    - Uncle Vova, Uncle Vova, let me steer!
    - Okay, Dima, get in the driver's seat!
    - Uncle Vova, where’s the steering wheel ?!
    - And the steering wheel, Dimochka, is in good hands.
    laughing
  18. gladcu2
    gladcu2 31 July 2017 19: 57
    +2
    Auto RU.

    Those. Rosguardia means against terrorists. They made fun.

    And who is arming terrorists? Are they arming themselves? The shift behind the machine was defended, and then terrorized ....

    What did you say A but didn’t say B?

    By the way, the oligarchs have private security, officially. And for something they give out money unofficially.

    Then against whom is the Rosguard?

    A state is considered independent if it holds within the framework of the law of oligarchs. This is the modern definition of an independent state.
    1. domokl
      31 July 2017 20: 32
      +1
      Sorry, but you are a classic demagogue ... Are they armed by the army or the police? And money, including from your Canada, they do not send? Terrorists are loosening up our enemies, no matter how the enemies are disguised. And feed them the same enemies.
      Yes, there are many problems in our country, including with machine tools for work. In many regions. But in our country, soldiers and officers are killed every day, and then they die and identify and destroy terrorists. Such is selyava. you have a second state french, understand ...
  19. Overlock
    Overlock 31 July 2017 22: 54
    +4
    Quote: domokl
    Exactly because 8 out of 10 VO readers will go to fight for it.

    with the calculations were not mistaken? For faith, king and fatherland? It was already, it ended badly. And then, fight against whom? Against Sobyanin, Usmanov, Medvedev, Golikova and others? - It’s easy! But what’s the hitch is friends of the GDP, and they are fighting against those with a salary of 13 thousand and a pension of 9-11 thousand. Are you ready to shed the blood of the hungry and destitute?
  20. AUL
    AUL 31 July 2017 22: 58
    0
    badens1111,
    It is not interesting to me to discuss with you. You are too predictable and illogical. Therefore - stay with your opinion. You did not convince me, and to continue the argument with you is boring!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 31 July 2017 23: 19
      0
      Quote: AUL
      You are too predictable and illogical.

      Well, yes, of course, they started with a scream and, becoming a misunderstood pose, proudly left.
      Quote: AUL
      stay with your opinion

      Yes, it's better with yours than with yours.
  21. Overlock
    Overlock 31 July 2017 23: 26
    +5
    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
    Every first one is a statesman-patriot, with a residence permit, family and accounts in the countries of the NATO aggressive bloc, with which we confront

    For example:
    1. ex-Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation Elena Skrynnik.
    2. ex-finance minister Andrei Vavilov
    3. ex-senator - Vitaly Malkin
    4. Ex-Minister of Finance of the Moscow Region Alexey Kuznetsov
    5. chief patriot-diplomat, manager and public figure, former president of Russian Railways, current state adviser of the first class, officer of the KGB of the USSR Vladimir Yakunin
    and many, many others .....
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 31 July 2017 23: 36
      +3
      They forgot the laureate of the medal for the repeated loyalty of Mr. Yastrebmzhemsky ...... lives and thrives in the South African Republic on his personal estate ...
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 31 July 2017 23: 41
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      Quote: Overlock
      and many, many others .....

      Quote: Overlock
      Every first one is a statesman-patriot, with a residence permit, family and accounts in the countries of the NATO aggressive bloc, with which we confront

      All EX, that is, no one in this case.
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 1 August 2017 07: 11
        +4
        Yeah. The current ones will also be ex. And they will be there too. I don’t want to offend you, but just look at our ministers, especially take a look at where their children and grandchildren study and live. Everything will fall into place.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 1 August 2017 11: 45
        +5
        OK. Then take for the children of the current partyiots:
        1. daughter of Peskov
        2. daughter of Lavrov
        3. daughter of Gryzlov
        4. Fursenko’s son
        5. son of Mizulina
        6. three daughters of Zheleznyak
        7. son of Zhukov
        8. Kozak's son
        9. son of Astakhov
        10. Valuev family
        and .... tired of listing.
        Most importantly, where do the daughters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief live? Some speak in Holland, papa claims in Russia. It's a state secret, but still curious
        All of them live and rejoice abroad, in the "paws of terrible capitalism", they are malnourished, miserable.
        Their fathers and mothers are working tirelessly for the good of the Motherland (which is not clear), believe in the bright future of the country, which they are developing, perfecting, etc.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 1 August 2017 12: 26
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          Quote: Overlock
          good.

          But didn’t you or someone like you yell at 90, for the freedom of travel and residence, now why do you blame these people for it? I don’t care where the daughter of this or that uncle lives, even in Burkina Faso, if only then she did not end up in a ministerial chair by kinship taking her freebie.
          Valuev earned pennies being who? Forgot? And what do you reproach him now if he acts within the framework of the existing Law? So, for the sake of trulling and that’s all?
          Daughter of Lavrov-http: //www.starhit.ru/novosti/doch-sergey
          a-lavrova-ya-hotela-svyazat-jizn-s-russkim-128218
          / what pretensions? I spit out with whom she works and who is married to you, why did she suddenly catch on fire to look up her skirt and tell a story about her supposedly foreign life or citizenship for the sake of another bluff? Does it work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
          Peskov’s daughter, an under-age and poorly understood person, God be with her, dad will figure out what’s in her daughter’s mind, is it for you misfortune — what’s in Putin’s advisers?
          And indeed your whole stuffing, it smells rotten due to the fact that it comes from this thief-https: //www.znak.com/2016-10-27/navalnyy_ras
          skazal_pochemu_docheri_edinorossa_zheleznyaka_nik
          ogda_ne_vernutsya_v_rf
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 1 August 2017 12: 47
            +5
            not yelling. I thought about how to feed my family and watched in horror as the crazy crowd of Yeltsin dragged to the throne.
            As for the rest, then you personally are satisfied with everything, I am happy for you. I get jarred when they shout about patriotism and my family is sent to live behind the cordon. I feel sick when they paint the charm of domestic health care, and they are treated to fly to Milan, Germany.
            Now on the "stuffing."
            The stuffing is
            1.publication of any documents, information with the expectation of the unexpectedness of their publication.
            2. This is falsification, deception. What do you like more? If this is true, then you are giving hands for the current state of affairs, if it is a lie, prove it. Yandex to help you.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 1 August 2017 12: 50
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              Quote: Overlock
              The stuffing is
              1.publication of any documents, information with the expectation of the unexpectedness of their publication.
              2. This is falsification, deception. What do you like more? If this is true, then you are giving hands for the current state of affairs, if it is a lie, prove it. Yandex to help you.

              What Navalny does is stuffing. Do you believe him? The second edition of Yeltsin to help you, the horror will continue.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 1 August 2017 17: 27
                +3
                Sorry, do you need glasses? Where is Navalny mentioned? Or do you have a tender love for him and for you he is the "Sun" and the only source of knowledge? Do you read anything other than Navalny?
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    1. badens1111
      badens1111 1 August 2017 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: Mikhalych 70
      . And the police units must be returned to the police "in the ass." Ufff. Spoke out.

      Mikhalych, he said everything correctly.
      Correct vision of the problem. It seems that everyone was dumped in the WG on purpose to make the idea of ​​the WG unviable.
    2. serg2108
      serg2108 2 August 2017 11: 29
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      here I fully support you .. correctly everything was stated only by the opinion of the former and current employees of the police department, it is unlikely to be taken into account by the cardinal!
  23. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 1 August 2017 00: 57
    +6
    about aviation Rosguard

    I demand that the hope of all mankind — the Russian Strategic Forces — be included in the RosGuard.
    Tremble the internal enemy! You definitely won't hide from the Mace warhead.
    Even in the remote steppes of Moscow Region retaliation will find you.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 1 August 2017 11: 46
      +2
      pancake! GDP must be prompted, defective
  24. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 1 August 2017 05: 57
    +2
    licking individual parts of the body of power has already begun before the election?
  25. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 1 August 2017 16: 26
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    Putin is most afraid of a coup among his own; therefore, he will subordinate his law enforcement agencies so that they will not go against the incidents.

    In general, quite adequately reason. You can say soberly.
    But in essence? The fact is that Ukraine has highlighted a huge problem for Russia. Good police have betrayed their homeland on the orders of ... traitors
    Do you know why Putin is not afraid of anything today? Exactly because 8 of 10 readers will go to fight for him. More precisely, not for Putin and his ilk, but for the course followed by the country ...

    It’s better now that our problems, both in the economy, in politics, as well as in the power structure, have manifested themselves than later, when oil could run out, before the war, and others. And here is Putin? I’ll go to fight for my homeland, I just know that Putin represents the politics of our country. I don’t understand those of you, what’s wrong with Putin? He has already entered history and will be called “Putin the Great” in the future. Do you know why? No one believed at the end of 99 and the beginning of 00 that Russia would remain united, that it would be able to survive, people would be able to get paid, buy cars, apartments, although most would be on credit, but they could drive to the resort. I saw photos, stories of people. Everyone in those days was preparing that Russia would fall apart and it would never be again. Russia took on all the debt of the USSR and paid it. Russia has not only survived, it has gained strength and is now a powerful player on the world stage. You can say a lot that he did poorly, that he did well, but the fact is. What country did he receive in 99g and which country should be left after you.
  26. Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 1 August 2017 17: 06
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    http://www.fontanka.ru/2017/08/01/090/?feed В копилку информации
  27. DOCTOR ZLO
    DOCTOR ZLO 3 August 2017 00: 39
    +1
    And the internal guard itself was created by the decrees of Alexander I in 1811.

    Not at all. The prototype of VV / ROSGVARDII appeared earlier ...
    The MVD of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia are the successor of special units that maintained state order in the 16th century. In the XVI-XVII centuries, some of these functions were performed by units of the Streltsy army.
    Ivan the Terrible for the "preservation of peace and silence in Moscow" created the institution of "tenants" - an army that consisted of serving noblemen, later this army was considered a prototype of the internal troops.

    https://voenpro.ru/infolenta/den-vnutrennih-vojsk
    -mvd-rossii
    The author contradicts himself (compilation of several sources?):
    So why should we save on aviation for the Russian Guard? Don't they need aerial reconnaissance? Don't they need attack helicopters? Why throw fighters under bullets when you can destroy a gang with an air strike? A pair of combat helicopters, that's all.

    и
    After all, today in the Russian Guard of 60 various aviation units. From individual units to aviation regiments. And the fleet includes many types of aircraft. Only 9 aircraft types. But there are still helicopters, drones ...

  28. Alvul
    Alvul 3 August 2017 14: 41
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    All this would make sense if the life of the Russians would improve, rather than worsen. In the meantime, this is just for the peace and prosperity of a handful of the ruling. To hell with this Russian need if one figs die of hunger? Now, in general, there is no point in Russia. This is a handful of armed barbarians who are terrorizing the whole world with their exclusive privileges to access world resources. Moreover, it does not produce anything sensible, no return for the whole world. It is necessary to part with illusions for a long time and proceed from the reality that now Russians are beggars, ragged, hungry and small, who are grinded by other peoples and production and demography.
    As long as the service in Russia provides a very good opportunity for life, then it will exist, as they propose better, it will be reassigned. Like a bunch of jihadists that are biting, driven by a pack, fighting over abandoned bones, and not knowing anything else.
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  29. Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 10 October 2017 12: 51
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    in general, what happened de facto was given a de jure status: in the Ministry of Internal Affairs they used substantial isolation and independence and were directly subordinate to the president, so the presence of military forces in the Ministry of Internal Affairs in recent years has been a formality. as for the tasks, there is still protection of special facilities including nuclear and strategic, a certain amount of water forces. control over civilian weapons was also justifiably transferred here. in general, it is an analogue of the French gendarmerie, the Spanish guards, civil and other similar formations. good luck to employees and fighters.
  30. Slavs69
    Slavs69 11 November 2017 16: 45
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    So, they should have preferential accrual of length of service and other benefits. Are they in the Russian Guard?

    I answer to the question: yes. the time of actual participation in maintaining the legal regime of the CTO counts a year and a half.
  31. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 16 March 2018 04: 07
    +1
    And why does this Rosguard have 8 divisions, 21 brigades and 69 regiments? This is a lot of armed people! And the given "certain" numbers to justify their need will impress only those who are lazy to think with their own heads - "8 divisions, 21 brigades and 69 regiments" for trapping "detainees - 332 armed, 281 - wanted. In addition, about 1000 gunshot units were seized weapons, over 61 thousand of ammunition. " plus (or maybe even) 125 fighters.
    "over 61 thousand of ammunition." only fools are impressed. How many rounds are in the zinc box?
    And the reliability of 9000 operations per year?
    The article is Explicitly ONE-SINGLE.
    Oh yes, since I ask uncomfortable questions, I’m an ordinary “liberalist and“ Westerner. ”A cheap struggle with uncomfortable questions.
    Open your eyes - the current "servants of the people" in the same Presidential Administration are "liberalists" such that there is nowhere to put stigmas (Shuvalov for example, Kudrin, Gref, NaEbulinna, ..)
    So against whom are these "8 divisions, 21 brigades and 69 regiments"?
    Peaceful protesters are pressed by ordinary policemen, but at the catch of the Rosguard (if they refuse?).
    Let's sculpt "stamps" on me - I myself know that neither Navalny, nor other politicians are on my mind (because in one circus because). It will be interesting to see. According to "IP" they will definitely calculate me, but all the same, sports interest, what will the "defenders of stability" be.
    P.S. I warn you in advance, I am not making a sacred sacrifice (most likely, he who needs it, in short, most likely like the "Elusive Joe"). It’s interesting to look at opponents.
  32. Sman
    Sman April 28 2018 16: 47
    0
    Unfortunately, in the ranks of this unit there are real ki who, having received power, spit on the law and create lawlessness! We were with my wife in St. Petersburg. At 6 am someone started breaking into the hotel room. Who did not answer the questions. They screamed only immediately and tried to knock the door open. Naturally, so as not to frighten my spouse further, I went out into the corridor and opened the door. Two are standing in an incomprehensible form, did not introduce themselves. No titles or surnames. I ask who are you? Come on, passport. I ask who to give a passport to? I climbed over the spray. Well near the receptionist stood and asked to show passports. Otherwise, it will say worse. I handed over the passports to the unknown. Without even looking inside, they shook documents and threw them under my feet. Then they turned around and left. As it turned out later, when talking to the receptionist, it was the Russian Guard. They came to shake money from the guests. It turned out it was put on stream and the guests know that it is necessary to put the nth amount in the passport. And we did not know.
    I turned to the Usspn of the Russian Guard. The answer was received from a certain V.A. Golubev, an OMON colonel. The response says that no violation of applicable law has been identified. That is, extortion of a bribe is the norm at the legislative level!
    After such an attitude to tourists bringing money to the budget of the city, we are not a foot in St. Petersburg!