Warsaw accused Russia of falsifying history

At the Polish Institute of National Memory (IPN) statedthat the documents on the liberation of the territory of Poland by the Russian Ministry of Defense allegedly falsify history.

Last week, the Russian military department declassified unique archival documents on the liberation of Poland from Nazism. On the website of the Ministry of Defense, you can read telegrams, memoranda, reports and combat reports testifying, among other things, about the benevolent attitude of the Poles towards the Soviet soldiers.

These documents refute the point of view adopted in Poland, according to which the Red Army brought to the Poles not a liberation, but a new enslavement. It is in this that the Institute of National Remembrance found falsification of history, RIA News.

In Warsaw, they claim that the publication of the Ministry of Defense is intended to prove that the Poles considered the soldiers of the Red Army to be exclusively liberators. The IPN calls this thesis biased, the documents - specially selected and taken out of context, and the comments - biased. According to the authors of the statement, the “false picture” of the liberation of Poland is already given in the introduction to the publication.

This is a phrase on the website of the Ministry of Defense:

In the summer of 1944, the troops of the 1 of the Byelorussian Front in the region of Brest approached the border of the Soviet Union. The liberation of Poland from the German fascist occupation began. ”Here the“ falsification ”consists in the fact that the Red Army crossed the pre-war borders of Poland in January 1944, namely, the IPN considers them obligatory at that time.

From that moment on, the “liberation” of Poland began, symbolized by the inglorious events in Vilnius.

- write the authors of the statement, citing data that the Soviet troops and the NKVD then surrounded and disarmed about eight thousand soldiers of the Home Army who participated in the battles for the city, who were then taken to Kaluga, and AK officers were arrested and sent to camps in the USSR.

The gratitude of the Red Army and the appeals to help the Soviet troops in the fight against Nazism, which are often found in documents published by the Ministry of Defense, IPN calls the population tormented by the German occupation as “episodic or local reactions”. As stated in the statement, for the overwhelming majority of Poles, the Red Army brought not liberation, but "a new, although, no doubt, enslavement not comparable with the German occupation."

Trying to put the Polish side in a position of "gratitude" for "liberation" from the German occupation, the Russian side should remember that the Polish lands were under probably the most brutal occupation as a result of agreements concluded by the Soviet Union with the Third Reich in August and September 1939 of the year, and the essence of these agreements was the destruction of Poland by both totalitarian states

- conclude the authors of the document.

Established in 1998, the Polish National Memory Institute studies the activities of the state security organs of Poland, the USSR and the Third Reich to investigate crimes against the Poles in the post-war period - up to the 1990 year. The institute also controls issues of lustration and the investigation of crimes against humanity and war crimes.
Poland was occupied by German troops from September 1939-th to February 1945. During this time, about six million Poles died (about 20 percent of the total population).

The Ministry of Defense published archival documents the day after Polish President Andrzej Duda approved a new version of the law on decommunization, according to which Soviet monuments, including military memorials, should be dismantled throughout the country. The law will affect approximately 230 monuments of the Red Army. During the Vistula-Oder operation to liberate Poland, more than 40 thousands of Soviet soldiers were killed.

Comments

[The black]

This is where fascism begins ... now it’s Polish ... I don’t want the Poles to remember the secret annex to the official Polish-German non-aggression treaty concluded on January 26, 1934. ... long before the Molotov pact, when the Czechosemians chopped off the boom from the Czech Republic ....

[210ox]

It's time for them to close access to the "sacred place" in Smolensk ... Well, maybe only by plane ..

[maxim947]

It seems that they have legalized drugs. And this is not only about Poland.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: maxim947

It seems that they have legalized drugs.

Moreover, about five hundred years ago. And how everything is synchronous - mattresses with sanctions (well, this is the "default" ); Romanians who deployed Rogozin; well, psheks are not far behind. Okay, if they don’t figure it out with the Poles at the state level, then at least the people will come off at the household level - the Psheks will come to us at the World Cup (we’ve almost left). It’s not yet clear which city (s). Arriving should just rabid. We are waiting, sir.

[hrych]

Quote: Paranoid50

And how everything is synchronous - mattresses with sanctions

[AnpeL]

Polish-German non-aggression treaty concluded on January 26, 1934. ... long before the Molotov Pact, when they were The Czech Republic chopped off ....

it seems they only wanted to participate in this (and I agree that they should be poked with a snout), but they did not participate. Hans without them captured the Czech Republic.

[K-612-O]

So they planned together with the Germans to fight against Russia and divide us according to Pilsudsky

[ARES623]

Did Teshinskaya oblast run across to the Poles?

[LeonidL]

Well, not only the Poles are snatching themselves a piece of master's happiness. There Mazepa also tore off a piece of Swedish ensign to the flag, since this rag has since served Skoropadsky, Petliura, and Bandera - now she serves Pan Potroshenko with Kiev clowns. As you name it, you will live, because Ukraine does not expect anything good, nor Kaku and its predecessors.

[Olgovich]

Quote: maxim947

It seems that their drugs have legalized

Since they believe that because of the Nonaggression Pact they were occupied, yes.
Well, there wouldn’t be a Treaty — WHAT would prevent Hitler from doing the same thing he did?

[Tatyana]

It is time to close the mythical "Katyn case" about the alleged shooting of 6000 Polish officers by the NKVD units of the USSR.

In the Tver region, 30 kilometers from Tver there is a memorial complex "Mednoe", where
visitors to Medny are assured that the remains of more than six thousand Polish prisoners of war, supposedly executed by Soviet authorities in the spring of 1940 in Kalinin, rest in this place. There is a similar memorial in the Smolensk region (Katyn).
However, this is nothing more than a myth.
In the Smolensk region in the fall of 1941, Polish prisoners of war were shot in the Katyn forest by Nazi invaders. There is plenty of evidence for this, exposing the Nazis (German bullets and the way the Germans massively destroyed prisoners throughout Europe, etc.).
Moreover, in the period from 1941 to 1943, several hospitals were located in the vicinity of the village of Mednoye. The Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army, who died in medical battalions from wounds, were also buried there.
TOTAL In the place where the Polish memorial is now located, there was a collection point for the bodies of the soldiers who died in battles, whose memory is still not immortalized.

It is time to stop this Russophobic Katyn hoax of the Poles and Nazis!
To exhume the Soviet soldiers and officers who died there in the battles and to rebury with dignity with honors and the construction of a memorial monument.

Myths of copper. Posted Jul 25 2015 year

[Tatyana]

The Katyn issue of allegedly the execution of Polish officers by the NKVD forces must be CLOSED CATEGORically! For the question rests on the multibillion claims of the Poles for Russian compensation for Poland’s damage for the death of their Polish officers.

Victor Ilyukhin The truth about Katyn! Posted on: 3 Feb 2014

[atakan]

Thank Putin.
He closed the Katyn issue publicly and unequivocally.
According to Polish requirements, not facts.
On the other hand, it was counted as a deflection and flew in to dance on the bones.
We all know the result. The plane crashed.

[Slovak]

will someone in Poland, or in the world in general, look and change the imposed opinion? Does anyone in the West need truth? Father freed Poland. It’s good that he’s gone. He left with the understanding that he was freeing people.

[stoqn477]

Pay attention to photo 3. Part “Offer the NKVD of the USSR”.




This is a document from the USSR not from Poland.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: 210ox

It's time for them to close access to the "sacred place" in Smolensk ... Well, maybe only by plane ..

That's right, colleague. In the fog, under a bison with a blade of grass, in search of the nearest pine. I read it somewhere or saw it on TV, I don’t remember that these very hissing comrades forbid to dig out some of their own burial places for the subsequent worthy resting of bones, and there could be only one reason - something could come up, the legend would come down.
However, it is not surprising that they are trying to grind the next trunks with a rasp to History, the lessons of the same History are extremely quickly forgotten. And to hell with them, miserable whiskers. We would only not be lost ourselves and not forget HOW it was all.

[Vladimir16]

Poland will always be in Russian bay, since a hundred years ago it was the territory of the Russian Empire.
We ourselves need to learn how to live according to the Constitution and finally become a Federation. In fact, Moscow is fattening at the expense of the rest of Russia. Sooner or later, the population of certain territories is bored.

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: Vladimir16

Poland will always be in Russian bay, since a hundred years ago it was the territory of the Russian Empire.
We ourselves need to learn how to live according to the Constitution and finally become a Federation. In fact, Moscow is fattening at the expense of the rest of Russia. Sooner or later, the population of certain territories is bored.

Learn to live by your own constitution imposed by the West and you must become an Empire. And you have heard a lot of bulk or bulk. What does Moscow fatten. The oligarchs, officials, loafing deputies, visitors who stole in the regions, and in Moscow with the reindeer breeder will soon conquer the Muscovites.

[DEPARTMENT]

It’s terrible to read it all now .. I just know that hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers died in Poland, freeing it at the cost of heavy losses, to save the historic cities from destruction by the Germans .. The second front didn’t bother much, doing a full sweep of artillery and aircraft!
We Russians have long been accustomed to spitting in our souls. We again wipe ourselves off and keep silent with our teeth gritting and clenching our fists ..! I am sure that soon everything will be avenged in an osprey and at once .. There will be no mercy of the bastard!

[svp67]

Quote: Black

I don’t want the Poles to remember the secret annex to the official Polish-German non-aggression treaty concluded on January 26, 1934. ..

You know, in TOY Poland, and without this, sins already were ENOUGH. It is enough to recall at least the history of the struggle for the Vilnius Territory.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: svp67

It is enough to recall at least the history of the struggle for the Vilnius region.

Poland has always had its own Polish history. Kh. Senkevich’s trilogy (“Fire and Sword”, “Flood”, “Crusaders”) is considered almost the primary source among the aborigines from the moment of publication in the second half of the 19th century.
I’m expecting a sequel to “Four Tankers with a Dog,” where the brave Polish guys are freeing Europe on the “May Beetle” with a Chihuahua in addition.

[svp67]

Quote: stalkerwalker

I’m expecting a sequel to “Four Tankers with a Dog,” where the brave Polish guys are freeing Europe on the “May Beetle” with a Chihuahua in addition.

It is quite expected. There used to be an excellent Polish series about scouts "Bet more than life" ... They’ve already rewritten that the 2010 film is far from the one that was released in the 60s.
And by the way, about "Four tankmen and a dog." Already in those years there was one of the last episodes which was not shown on our TV. There, the relationship between the Polish Army and the Red Army is not shown as very friendly when Russian soldiers stole a car from the Poles ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: svp67

There, the relationship between the Polish Army and the Red Army is not shown as very friendly when Russian soldiers stole a car from the Poles ...

My late stepfather served in Poland. Once he noticed that almost all Soviet characters in the film die.

[Sergey Fursov]

in the book the Poles just stole a car

[svp67]

Quote: Sergei Fursov

in the book the Poles just stole a car

Only from where? And whose? And how did she get there?

[Sewer krainiy]

So the “Crusaders” are not Poles, but the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, i.e. Slavs, Russian speakers. And the documents were written in Cyrillic ... The Poles were so affiliated ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Sewer Krainiy

So the Poles who joined were ..

You do not tell the Poles about this current .....

[Monos]

Quote: Black

. I don’t want the Poles to remember the secret annex to the official Polish-German non-aggression treaty concluded on the 26 of January 1934.

Yes, there is a stigma in the cannon all over Europe. But they will not remember this. They will teach us stories, trying to refute the truth that the victors write history. And who blathers? Lyakhi, Balts and Bandera. Terps and punishers.

[Logall]

[/ quote] documents refute the point of view adopted in Poland, according to which the Red Army brought the Poles not liberation, but new enslavement [quote]

Moses, to free the minds of his people from slavery, drove them through the desert for 40 years. Until the last slave died!
Poles, take Wankau Susanin and forward. Remembering the story ...

[Solomon Kane]

Victor, salute! And they (Poles) Krakow were saved and Warsaw, from total destruction ......
Sometimes you think about the doctrine of Dr. Goebels: "NO people - no history"
So much better than such a perverted abuse of her (history) ...

[Monos]

Hello, Konstantin.

Quote: Solomon Kane

"NO people - no history"

Well no. I am not a supporter of such radicalism. Such "greyhound" peoples must be deprived of statehood and assimilated. Let their archaeologists study the history of the remains.

[svp67]

Quote: Monos

They will teach us stories, trying to refute the truth that the victors write history.

But I agree - let them teach how to abandon the "dark" "Soviet slavery", let Poland take and REFUSE a third of its territory, which Stalin gave it to, I think Mrs. Merkel will take this with a BIG understanding.

[Monos]

Quote: svp67

But I agree - let them teach how to abandon the "dark" "Soviet slavery", let Poland take and REFUSE a third of its territory, which Stalin gave it

Yeah, schaz! Ukrainians, there, want to cancel all the decrees of the USSR, except ... the decree on the annexation of Crimea to Ukraine. So are these. Rather, they will demand Uzhgorod, Lviv and Vilnius, rather than abandon Silesia and Pomerania.

[34 region]

16.56. Monos! Here you can say a phrase from the movie. The last words are well remembered. Stirlitz! And I will ask you to stay. Winners story? Well, with the collapse of the USSR, the whole West became the winner. And it has grown (what should they be called right?) With leeches.

[Spartanez300]

Ungrateful pigs rejecting historical truth.

[34 region]

16.24. The black! This begins fascism !? Or maybe it begins with the advent of Gorbachev and spitting on history? We ourselves in the 90s just spit on our camp and talked about the criminal Soviet regime. And the president and the prime minister continue to say so today. And now we wonder why the Poles and others do this? But we didn’t do that and continue? Today we do not praise accomplices of the West? An immovable writer has already put up a monument in Moscow? And what is happening in the West today is our fault. It was we who allowed them to behave this way.

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Even Peter 1 punished the Poles for supporting the Swedes, hung, burned estates. We must repeat, apparently the Poles again forgot.

[LeonidL]

Well, they chopped off in Munich ... not without reason Churchill called them the hyena of Europe. The wise gate knew what he was saying.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Stalinium

it was necessary to burn all the Poles

You follow the bazaar. Your calls are ordinary fascism.

[St Petrov]

In fact, Moscow is fattening at the expense of the rest of Russia. Sooner or later, the population of certain territories is bored.

and your calls is what?

Are you tired of what? Go bear on)

But the Poles did not need to be burned - it was necessary to work with artillery and not care about architecture and the "population" - only the soldiers risked in vain. Methodically and inevitably.

That which is sacred, do not give the dogs, and do not scatter your valuables in front of the pigs so that they do not trample them, and then, turning around, do not tear you to pieces either.

Knowing the past - in the future, the Poles should not wait for victims from Russia. Work on areas.

One hell will be recorded in the enslavers.

[Cutter]

That's right, the Americans liberated Poland, so lick them ... At the same time they will bring gas to you, they are generous!

[soroKING]

Poland is now in a position of "gratitude" to the United States

[Mountain shooter]

Falsification of history NEVER leads to a positive result. Proud Poles can now "catch" from the EU such a "spit" that they will not be cut off by any Russophobia ...

[Vladimir16]

The result is positive for one side and negative for the other. Your conclusion says that you prefer to be a loser. History, but also history, that everyone sees it from their side. For some, the war ends in victory, while others lose. Our Russian "history" was written by the Germans. Some even did not know how to speak Pr-Russian. So that falsification is the basis of historical "science."
Or do you think that previously the Basurmans and Nerus were crazy about Russians? Enthusiastic and told only the truth? And only now are they Russophobes? Although you can free yourself from this lie?

[Alena767]

"Free" in your opinion is how? The Germans wrote, they know everything, did the Germans write about WWII?

[Vladimir16]

The falsification of history is the main task of propaganda historians. At all times. The slogan, "falsification of history NEVER leads to a positive result" is dependence on the cliches of these same "historians." There are facts that everyone interprets in their own way.
Freeing means living your own mind. Try to listen to your parents, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, God grant them health.
There is such a Russian proverb: "the bolt is written on the fence, and there the logs lie."

[Proton]

Lyakhi, they are Lyakhi.
But they forgot something about the fact that in the 39th USSR they regained their lands, which the Poles took away under the guise of a civilian among us.

[Baloo]

Quote: Proton

Lyakhi, they are Lyakhi.
But they forgot something about the fact that in the 39th USSR they regained their lands, which the Poles took away under the guise of a civilian among us.

And the Poles themselves tried to chop off a piece from Czechoslovakia. Moreover, these Polish clowns at our talk shows are very surprised when they are presented with this. These insolents have a genuine surprise on their faces at this moment.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Proton

Poles otkhapali under the guise of a civilian with us. angry

Proton, just look at the 1914 map. And find there Poland. How can "grab" the territory of a country that does not exist? Pilsudski invented Poland in its modern form. And he had as many rights to "his" territories as Lenin had to "his". Both of these leaders simply seized power on the shards of the Empire. Each took as much as he could take.
Independent Poland is the result of a civil war in the Russian Empire. As well as the USSR. Like Finland.

[1536]

Poles are obscurantists. It is a pity only for the fallen fighters and commanders of the Red Army, who gave their lives for this rabble, saving it from destruction by the Nazi invaders. But, as they say, the Poles will surely be "rewarded" a hundredfold for their savagery and barbarism.

[Azim77]

Let them write what this very “enslavement” of the USSR consisted of. It is presented as if the liberators of one of the Poles burned in cells, exterminated, forced them to work, took away and exported gold or other valuables, etc., etc.? Let them at least say who were at the top of power in Poland - Poles or "enslavers"? Could slaves be kept at the top?

[ImPerts]

What to take from Europe's hyena ((c) V. Churchill)?
They repeatedly squandered their statehood, since there each bump out of the blue ...
There is a saber, even out of tin, that's all ... Ala-hoo, chase the geese!
And now they are trying to bend stronger than a certified gymnast ... In order to bend, but pro ...
This turbidity will end in the next section ...

[svp67]

Warsaw claims that the publication of the Ministry of Defense is intended to prove that the Poles considered the soldiers of the Red Army exclusively liberators. IPN calls this thesis biased, documents are specially selected and taken out of context, and comments are biased

But really HOW people in 1944 could understand what was happening to them. Only modern Polish politicians were able to "understand"

[K-50]

These documents refute the point of view adopted in Poland, according to which the Red Army brought the Poles not liberation, but new enslavement.

One example is enough to refute this statement.
The Red Army was exhausted from the offensive after Operation Bagration and stopped “under the walls” of Warsaw. The Poles raised a "rebellion" at the behest of the "pro-London government in exile." When the Nazis began to "embed" them, the Poles raised a howl, what, they say, the Red Army stopped and did not go any further, to RELEASE them !!!!!
That's all I wanted to say.

[fox_rudy]

Our command asked to wait a few days for the troops to rest and regroup, but the Psheks did not want to share the victory. And when the Germans broke into them for the most I do not want, a howl about the bad Russians rose.

[Swed]

Well what to say. Everyone sees how he wants. Without pre-decoration, this topic is covered here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZE27_qqUNE The Poles are still those “devils”. But you need to watch for a long time, so I think not everyone will begin to watch historical (not invented and not falsified) epics.

[Holsten]

But what are they all about the same thing? Let’s better discuss the fourth section of Poland.

[notingem]

I agree. But Krakow and the suburbs must be left to the Poles. And then again they will cove that they were cheated

[sgazeev]

This is the pathology of Poland, it is not treated.

[notingem]

It is treated. The main thing after the operation is not to bring resuscitation

[Fitter65]

[quote] / Warsaw claims that the publication of the Ministry of Defense is intended to prove that the Poles considered the soldiers of the Red Army exclusively liberators. [quote]
Well, let the Wehrmacht soldiers be considered liberators. Hitlerite Germany turned Poland into a governor-general, with the rediscovered territories in favor of the Reich. And the Soviet invaders made the Polish People’s Republic, with territories that 600 years belonged to the Germans. Shezin was presented to them in 1955, for the fact that our troops were paying money ... Pugacheva at the festival in Zelenaya Gora paid the entire fee to the Zelenogur miners, and then every year the whole festival of Soviet song in Zelenaya Gora-transferred to the fund to the Polish miners, raised the auto industry, aircraft industry, cheap gas and oil , money and other help from the USSR, this is of course incomparable things with the warm crematoriums of Aschwitz, Majdanek and Treblinka which were introduced by German European integrators ...

[Alexey RA]

From that moment on, the “liberation” of Poland began, symbolized by the inglorious events in Vilnius.

Oh ce garne! And kick Russia, and the Lithuanians to recall that Vilnius is Polish land.
The Germans and the Czechs still had to put forward the claims to the Poles - and the situation will be exactly like before the next partition of Poland: it is cheaper to share than to listen to endless demands.

[UAZ 452]

Share ?! Nafig nafig. Let those who are not afraid of indigestion from such poison take away. Although ... say, the Germans in the 6 years of occupation have reduced the population by 20%? Then, they may succeed ... assimilation. The Germans - they are cultural, Europeans! Not that we, blue-legged.

[Cobra77]

I think we must once again repent for Katyn and increase the intensity of the exposure of Stalinism. Well, do not forget to pay compensation ....

[vladimirvn]

..that the Soviet troops and the NKVD then surrounded and disarmed about eight thousand soldiers of the Home Army who participated in the battles for the city ...
My comment. “No, it was necessary during the hostilities to leave behind 8 thousand armed people who carry out whose orders are unknown.

[Gardamir]

Army of the Land.

I'm afraid that you have mixed up with the Army Ludova. Craiova supported the socialist system, but Ludova killed Soviet soldiers and officers after May 45goda.

[Weyland]

I’m afraid that it was you who mixed up everything! It’s just the AK sheep that shot us in the back, and the “4 tankmen and the dog” was just the Army of Ludov!

[Gardamir]

just

Yes you are right. Even in the days of the pre-Internet, I delved into this topic. And now the Internet is confusing.

[faterdom]

Well, in order not to be disappointed, there was no need to be fascinated. Did the Poles give us any reason to believe them, consider them “brothers,” or something else? Throughout history, they, as a separate state, wished war with Muscovy, in alliance even with the Turks, even with the Germans, even with the Swedes, even with the French.
But it was at least somehow logical: they fought, got their teeth, lost something (when Smolensk, when Little Russia) - to rest!
It was much worse when they entered the Russian Empire, or were considered our allies during the Warsaw Pact.
It was an inexhaustible source of all troubles, betrayals, rokoshi (riots), with further inexplicable beneficence from the Russian or Soviet authorities. Either they have a separate Constitution, then every tenth Pole is recognized as nobles (!), Then we arm the whole Anders army in the most difficult days for us, which went to Iran, then we chopped off the territories of Poland from the Germans from them and gave them, then we cover the losses incurred on In the West, we save loans and loans, in fact, from bankruptcy (which led to serious unrest in the early 80s, the creation of "Solidarity", the rise of Lech Walesa) ...
It’s time to learn: if individual Poles can still be loyal and useful to us, in general, any Polish shades of statehood are hostile to us, deceitful and inclined to fuck us and betray us right away.
So they should be treated and built a policy with all this in mind.
And, of course, to expose the lies about Katyn and stop spreading tears and snot of repentance is unknown for what.

[UAZ 452]

In vain do you think that the Poles are hostile only to us. The current situation, when Poland is a member of the EU and NATO, is objectively ideal for Russia. Poland is not able to be part of an integration association and not engage in destructive activities within its framework, otherwise the Poles will not be Poles. Their current fronts within the EU are still flowers, although also an indicator - a quarter of a century has not passed, as they began to show their ambition. In a generation there will be berries.

[faterdom]

I don’t think only to us. I know for sure that they are hostile to the Germans, and, however, to Ukrainians and Belarusians.
And I’m sure that in honor of the peculiar "Polish pride" - ambition, one unpleasant disease is named

[Sling cutter]

Quote: faterdom

It was an inexhaustible source of all troubles, betrayals, rokoshi (riots), with further inexplicable beneficence from the Russian or Soviet authorities

Well, it all started in the 80s. They had to be extinguished, the Baltic Fleet was in combat readiness, and stones had to be dropped into the water.

[HEATHER]

Poland, as usual. Trash yapping. There is a good one. If you think about it!

[Flyer_64]

The Polish government needs to bill for every dead Red Army soldier who liberated a territory called Poland from the Nazi occupation under Russian law. Let’s see how they speak.

[UAZ 452]

The falsification of history was always dealt with by everyone. Our country is by no means an exception. Historical truth has always been and is being sacrificed for momentary market conditions. And very often in the long run, this goes sideways: momentary interests change the next minute (by historical standards), and it’s more difficult to play back.
At one time, in order not to spoil the reputation of the NDP, the fact of the joint aggression of Germany and Poland against Czechoslovakia was hushed up, with which, if we take the actual, and not the formal-official chronology, the Second World War began. The annexation of the Teshinsky region, an alliance with Hitler, thus got away with the Poles. Now historians can and should raise relevant questions, but after more than three quarters of a century of silence, this already sounds completely different.

[pavelty]

You can turn the whole history of the USSR and Russia upside down, the main thing is that the children know the truth ...

[Flyer_64]

Do you know what our strength is in American? In truth !!! Bodrov the younger.

[Karen]

And this is fucking you / us !!!
I remember, about 15–20 years ago, the US budget allocated $ 22 billion (twenty-two) only to streamline school curricula in all states to focus on the Soviet school curriculum / system.

[Polite Moose]

Warsaw accused Russia of falsifying history

In each family, we keep a story about the war, but not one at a time. From sources that horseradish you dispute. The action "Immortal Regiment" is a confirmation of this. We all remember. What the fuck is falsification. Rewriting history and the struggle with monuments is the destiny of the wretched. Psheks, take an example from the Germans. Lost the war, but behave with dignity. The graves of our soldiers are looked after and the results of the war are not rewritten. Reichstag left as is. For edification.
PS And it was high time for our Moscow Region to declassify, digitize and share the archives. Smart and adequate people from all over the world would reach the truth if they wanted to. And then besides the mediocre landing in Normandy and Private Ryan there are no heroes of that war.

[Kostadinov]

I did not understand the Poles have claims to Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. If they don’t have it then they occupied the territories from 1921 to 1939.
And how did they bear responsibility for aggression against the Soviet republics in 1920-1921 and for the partition of Czechoslovakia together with Nazi Germany after Munich.

[Gardamir]

The right questions! Putin and Lavrov will think of these issues, or again they will apologize to the Poles.

[Hurricane70]

It was not necessary for catholicized Slavs to be allowed to build sacred places in Smolensk. Like we didn’t know that they would behave like that? When did they differ in their special love for us? Arrogant, arrogant pans, waiting for an opportunity to chop off a piece from a neighbor ... The latter are Czechs who have experienced this pansky trait on themselves ... But the great ukras generally kept silent in a rag, cuffs, and they completely pulled their forelocks from the peschiks !

[Million]

A prostitute who has and wants wants has made science long ago.

[Pivot]

Few of these reptiles Bandera with Shukhevych cut.

[Bondik05]

The NKVD then surrounded and disarmed about eight thousand soldiers of the Army of the Craiova who participated in the battles for the city, who were later taken to Kaluga, and AK officers were arrested and sent to camps in the USSR.

Yeah, and so modestly silent about what. But there was a stigma in the gun. The lords began to loot and the local population put in a position on the rights of gentlemen. and this wretched army (I think there will be no objection) was subordinate to the government from London. They are also silent about the fact that almost all of the camps were liberated when ours began to act together with the Polish army.

[Monarchist]

Petty Officer Bondik, I agree with you: if this AK is such a powerful army, why did they wait for the Red Army?
But actually I wonder what was the real number of AK and AL in January 1944?
Once I spoke with a NKVD veteran and he told me: they were not particularly numerous, but the population supported them more than the Communists. Often in AL, a third was associated with AK

[zulusuluz]

For such, taken out of context, Polish statements need to provide additional documents:
"On September 21, at the height of the Sudeten crisis, Poland presented an ultimatum to Czechoslovakia to" return "the Teshinsky region to it, where 80 thousand Poles and 120 thousand Czechs lived. On September 30, 1938, on the day of the signing of the Munich Agreement, Poland sent Czechoslovakia another ultimatum and 1 "At the same time as the German troops, on October October, she introduced her army into the Tesin region (Zaolzie) - the subject of territorial disputes between her and Czechoslovakia in 1918-1920. On November 24, this region was annexed."

[Yasen Ping]

probably, in their opinion, there were so many camps of Poles who remained independent, because if we are acupants, camps are simply obliged to be, no? ...

[Gardamir]

Previously, someone supported the opinion that Russia was to blame, he even repented of Poland

[Monarchist]

Gardamir, and imagine yourself on the spot. V.: Your predecessors in different versions recognized Katyn long ago, ALL Europe recognizes, and you say: “you go along the forest”?

[Cobra77]

Yes exactly. Walk through the forest. This is called independent national policy. If your predecessors made market mistakes, to put it mildly, this does not mean that they must continue to be made.

[HEATHER]

Well u. Guys! Even the historians do not really know the history of Russia. There are assumptions. Facts are torn out of the ground. When will everything become clear? Never! Our past is too foggy. Thanks, you know to whom.

[rus-5819]

The Red Army brought the Poles not liberation, but new enslavement.

Generously "cutting" the fellow countrymen from defeated Germany and distributing the land to those who really cultivate it (which was not mentioned in pre-war Poland). The "subjugators" helped create a truly popular Polish army, to the detriment of themselves, to restore what had been destroyed by the war. But now they have NATO's best friend!

[Vlad5307]

This so-called Institute of memory, obvious failures in the history of their own country - they forgot how they imposed themselves on Hitler as friends, offering their services in an attack on the USSR!

Quote: Black

This is where fascism begins ... now it’s Polish ... I don’t want the Poles to remember the secret annex to the official Polish-German non-aggression treaty concluded on January 26, 1934. ... long before the Molotov pact, when the Czechosemians chopped off the boom from the Czech Republic ....

[Monarchist]

U. I have a question: what the hell did the documents on the liberation of Poland secret? If we were talking about skirmishes with AK, you can still understand: it violated an ideological tale.
Kamrad Cherny is right: the Poles are NOT INTERESTED to recall that: "they were chopped off by zemstvos from the Czech Republic." They willingly recall the borders on September 1, 1939, but you can remember the borders on September 1, 1913. Unfortunately, these borders will not suit: Librasts - **** rasters, communists, and especially Psheks and 404 powers.
By God, I would say in the place of Lavrov: "you like the borders on September 1, 1939, and I like the borders on September 1, 1913. Now that I will declare war"? Alas, these dreams

[Monarchist]

Quote: rus-5819

The Red Army brought the Poles not liberation, but new enslavement.

Generously "cutting" the fellow countrymen from defeated Germany and distributing the land to those who really cultivate it (which was not mentioned in pre-war Poland). The "subjugators" helped create a truly popular Polish army, to the detriment of themselves, to restore what had been destroyed by the war. But now they have NATO's best friend!

So the Russians are obliged

[Just me]

In my "interlocutors" there was one individual (now safely banned) who claimed that all past allies from the USSR (respectively Russia) turned their backs and, they say, we (the USSR) were to blame for doing everything wrong. I’m sure that at that time we did everything right, and let their behavior (allies) rest on their conscience. Our conscience is clear.

[Tolstoevsky]

fierce hutspa-Warsaw

[faiver]

Well, what else could you expect from this foul state ....

[Tolstoevsky]

It should be called "Polish Institute of Short Memory"

[Cuba]

Quote: maxim947

It seems that they have legalized drugs. And this is not only about Poland.

no, they hit the fly agaric - cheap and cheerful!

[Cuba]

Quote: faiver

Well, what else could you expect from this foul state ....

I would have expected self-decay! .... the awful folk, sort of like Slavs, but nature-rotten, fucking !! ... and even their ambition !!

[Dmitry Skorobogatov]

"the authors of the statement write, citing data that the Soviet troops and the NKVD then surrounded and disarmed about eight thousand soldiers of the Army Craiova who participated in the battles for the city, who were later taken to Kaluga, and AK officers were arrested and sent to camps in the USSR."
Well, if that's true, then what's wrong? Craiova’s army is no different from Bendera, they also organized a massacre of civilians.

[Brushing]

They didn’t finish the psheks at the time ..... but it’s a pity .... they need to recall 1612 more .... and the Germans to turn Danzig back ....

[LeonidL]

With the Germans they are on “You” and with a gasp, they forgot everything, everyone forgave ... such as a serf on the hosts are not offended ...

[LeonidL]

Not a single good deed goes unpunished ... Notice for memory! Emperor Alexander the Third was right! No, Russia will not and will not have friends. It’s time to stop the trifling philanthropy - Lukashenko once again spat in his eyes and insists that it is God's dew. Only import substitution, only the production of everything high-tech at home, only the revival of industry and science. why not remember the words of Stalin about the need to run fifty in ten years?

[GRF]

Hey aftarr translator, that hand does not rise in Russian to write ipn? Communicate with the civilized, so said bi akipo in Polish does it sound? Not in Polish? The Enlightener ....
Relax, no problem, ok do not drop from the track. Wow, aka smartanuty, panimat all ...

[S_Baykala]

the authors of the statement write, citing data that the Soviet troops and the NKVD then surrounded and disarmed about eight thousand soldiers of the Craiova Army who participated in the battles for the city, who were later taken to Kaluga, and AK officers were arrested and sent to camps in the USSR.

Poland was occupied by German troops from September 1939-th to February 1945. During this time, about six million Poles died (about 20 percent of the total population).

During the Wisla-Oder operation to liberate Poland, more than 40 thousand Soviet soldiers died.


Poor Poles, so much so, our “ousted” them, putting tens of thousands of their soldiers and arresting several thousand. T .. if ungrateful. And if you didn’t want strangers to walk on their land, pinch them and set them up as they wanted, you had better protect your land.

[Love is]

These are all the consequences of Soviet internationalism. The stupidest misconception. However, like all Bolshevik teachings. But what to do with Poland? Never mind.

[Just me]

Love is

These are all the consequences of Soviet internationalism. The stupidest misconception.

You know, internationalism is a delusion (I bet) But I.V. Stalin did this not for reasons of internationalism, but for a simple reason: if Soviet troops do not stand in Poland, someone else will stand, which the USSR did not need at all. Internationalism - wrapper (exactly at that time) The world was divided (by agreement of SERIOUS participants), and no one asked the Poles Now we see the result of this division

[Sewer krainiy]

Quote: Gardamir

Army of the Land.

I'm afraid that you have mixed up with the Army Ludova. Craiova supported the socialist system, but Ludova killed Soviet soldiers and officers after May 45goda.

Well, I do not. Kraev's army was controlled from London. And I worked with those who served in the Army of Ludova (translation: People's Army), they told a lot... They, together with our army, took Warsaw.

[Just me]

Sewer krainiy
According to your answer to Gardamir, you are absolutely right. Even at school they teach this (or taught it)

[Goblin13]

This is not about the Poles, but, as usual, about the leadership. All the crap comes from politicians, and the Poles, for the most part, treat Russians normally, but at the same time, they really don’t like Ukrainians. I wonder why such an attitude towards this European people? I served in the SA in the 80s with Eastern and Western Ukrainians, since then for some reason I don’t like Westerners, but with Easterners we were like brothers. I don’t understand why, since I’m Ukrainian myself.

[Alexandr2637]

And indeed. Why did the USSR free these degenerates and not allow the Nazis to destroy this non-people?

[Lexa-149]

documents published by the Russian Ministry of Defense about the liberation of Polish territory by the Red Army allegedly falsify history.

Falsifies the latest fictional history of Poland.

[Vodila]

Apparently Bavarian beer turned out to be better than Zhiguli beer.

[Jarserge]

The thief shouts - stop the thief. The Poles lied... this is already becoming their national trait.