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Ankara: in the negotiations on C-400 it remains to clarify minor points

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Negotiations on the supply of Turkish Russian anti-aircraft missile systems C-400 are nearing completion, reports Interfax-AVN report of the press secretary of the Turkish President Ibrahim Kalyn.

Ankara: in the negotiations on C-400 it remains to clarify minor points


Negotiations are nearing the end. This I can clearly state. It remains to clarify minor points regarding the contract. However, in general terms, the agreement has already taken shape,
said Kalyn.

He recalled that the other day, President Erdogan said that the agreement on the supply of C-400 has already been signed.

Our goal is not to attack, but to prevent possible attacks,
the press secretary stressed, noting that “the cost of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems is very different from the prices of other defense technologies.”

He noted that the main thing for the Turkish side in this matter is technology transfer.

The position of the allies of Turkey, including the United States, caused deep disappointment in Ankara. These states declared that they are partners in NATO and therefore it is necessary to create a joint defense system. We do not mind. However, the model proposed by Ankara will put Turkey in constant dependence on these states,
said Kalyn.

He pointed out that one of the important differences of the C-400 ZRS contract "is the factor of borrowing technologies in the field of air defense."

During the negotiations with Moscow, including during the meetings of President Erdogan with his Russian counterpart Putin, this issue was discussed very openly. The Russian side approved the position of Ankara. That is, the purchase of C-400 - is not just the acquisition of air defense systems, but also a serious borrowing of developments in the field of air defense,
explained the spokesman.

We expect that in the near future in this issue will be put an end. At the same time, the assertion that Russian systems cannot be integrated into NATO systems is an argument that cannot withstand any criticism,
added on.
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  1. irazum
    irazum 28 July 2017 13: 16
    +3
    The main technology transfer only in a "truncated" form.
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 28 July 2017 13: 22
      +6
      Our gas transit can not be very truncated. But bookmark friend or foe on our aircraft must be left. The more protocols of military interrogations arrested after an attempted coup d'etat in Turkey, Erdogan read, the more he became convinced of the need for protection from ... from NATO countries. And to make this effective with weapons supplied by NATO countries is impossible.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 28 July 2017 13: 27
        +6
        Quote: Zibelew
        But bookmark friend or foe on our aircraft must be left

        huh)) Only the Turks are not Arabs, they have their own industry, their own scientific base and specialists who will not look at the ceiling when accepting the S-400.
        1. Logall
          Logall 28 July 2017 13: 50
          +17
          Quote: Yeraz
          specialists who will not look at the ceiling when accepting S-400.

          In any case, these issues, such as a `` friend or foe '' system, were discussed.
          Here the asymmetric answer wakes up. Lure the Turks. Europe is shrinking ...
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 28 July 2017 14: 01
            0
            Quote: Logall
            Here the asymmetric answer wakes up. Lure the Turks. Europe is shrinking ...

            It will be a huge success for Russia.
          2. YakimovSS
            YakimovSS 28 July 2017 14: 15
            +10
            Turkey has never been our ally, and it seems that it will never be.
            No matter how many people rest on their beaches and our weapons (without our soldiers) did not appear there.
            This is such karma.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 28 July 2017 18: 47
        0
        But bookmark friend or foe on our aircraft must be left.

        Yes, you forget about Your - Alien. No one is going to put it. All NATO will become its own in six months. Mute, yes, Missile explode, yes. And your stranger in the furnace
    2. vladfill
      vladfill 28 July 2017 14: 40
      +5
      The main thing in this action is the unsightly role of the Commander-in-Chief, and nonsense around technical
      capabilities of the S-400, as evidenced by its inaction in Syria and the possibility of its transfer
      potential adversary.
    3. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 28 July 2017 14: 41
      +2
      first 24 ku then with 400 like the Turks the number 4
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 28 July 2017 19: 32
      +2
      Quote: irazum
      Ankara: in the negotiations on the S-400 it remains to clarify minor points.

      There was nothing left - who will pay?
      1. mgero
        mgero 29 July 2017 22: 13
        0
        Well, I’m already not understanding GDP at all doesn’t understand who “sells” weapons to? Well, we will wait until the second blow to the back.
  2. Belarusian
    Belarusian 28 July 2017 13: 17
    +10
    What, "there is no money at all, and there is no way to hold out" !?
    Turkey is already "brother"? These systems have not yet been explored by NATO?
    Oh well...
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 28 July 2017 13: 27
      +8
      Quote: Belarus
      Turkey is already "brother"?

      No, they are gas transit. And in vain the Turkish Sultan tried to bang. Sultans are already vindictive.
      And the Russians laid more than a million of their lives for Bulgarian Happiness! As a result, Bulgaria in all wars fought against Russia, because it is not clear why to thank the Russians? There are Americans for that - they drove the Bulgarians to where Russia pulled 10 of them over 70 years. Bulgarians know - one careless “meow” - and wake up in the Stone Age! And then they wake up every morning, look - no, not yet in stone. THANKS TO AMERICA! Ki-ki! ..
      1. armenk
        armenk 28 July 2017 14: 24
        +10
        No, they are gas transit.

        and have they already transited a lot of gas?

        in fact, they are still accomplices of ISIS, a member of NATO, and an ode from those countries that allowed itself to bring down a Russian plane (the funny thing is that it got away with it).

        when Russia bury its money in a Turkish pipe, it will twist its hands. I think the situation will be approximately like in Europe with refugees.
        1. armenk
          armenk 28 July 2017 17: 10
          +2
          And a little more from the recent history of partnership, Turkey and gas pipelines.

          Blue Stream
          In 97, an agreement was signed between Russia and Turkey on the construction of a gas pipeline between the countries along the bottom of the Black Sea. In accordance with the latter, Russia pledged to supply an additional 25 billion cubic meters to Turkey over 16 years. m per year.

          The cost of the project is about 3.5 billion. US dollars.

          On December 30, 2002, a protocol was signed on commissioning the launch complex of the Blue Stream project. Commercial deliveries of natural gas to Turkey through the new gas pipeline began on February 20, 2003. Until March 2003, 193 million cubic meters of gas were supplied. However, March 12, 2003 the Turkish side unilaterally stopped the selection of natural gas, linking the continuation of supplies with the solution to the issue of lower prices on Russian gas supplied to Turkey under all existing contracts.

          As a result of negotiations between Gazprom representatives with the leadership of the Turkish Ministry of Energy and Botash in July 2003, an agreement was reached to resume gas extraction on August 1, 2003 and to continue consultations with a view to resolving the existing disagreements in a non-arbitration manner.

          In November 2003, Gazprom and Gazexport OJSC signed with Ankara with the Turkish side documents that settled all disputed issues on pricing, as well as on preferential taxation of project participants in Turkey in accordance with the 1999 intergovernmental Protocol.

          I wanted to remind you that the design capacity of the branch is 16 billion cubic meters of gas per year. The branch still has not loaded more than 2/3.

          And I also wanted to recall the competitive project of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline, which the United States promoted at about the same time. The project involved the export of Turkmen gas through the Caspian Sea to Baku and further through Azerbaijan and Georgia to Turkey (bypassing Russia).

          This information is more for partnership champions ..
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 28 July 2017 14: 31
        +3
        Quote: Zibelew
        No, they are gas transit.

        while even the exit point of the flow into Turkish territory has not been agreed upon - so that the "transit countries" can still stick a knife into the back a hundred times, or much lower
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 28 July 2017 13: 30
      +3
      Do not go to the site of the central bank, take an interest in gold reserves. They returned to the level of December 2014! Nabiulina voiced 500 mlr.? So everything moves to them, about 2 lard a week.
      It's about no money ...
      1. BAI
        BAI 28 July 2017 13: 40
        +2
        It's about no money ...

        The budget was planned at the rate of 40 bucks per barrel, and now - 50.
    3. venik
      venik 28 July 2017 14: 24
      +3
      Quote: Belarus
      Turkey is already "brother"? These systems have not yet been explored by NATO?
      Oh well...

      ========
      Firstly! What makes you think that the Turks (in particular), and indeed "exported" are supplied with "exact copies" of what is in service with the Russian Air Defense ??? These times are already "in the past" ... AND LONG TIME !!! Systems with "truncated capabilities" and often a completely different "architecture" go for export !!!!!
      Secondly - What is Better - so that the Turks get systems that Russian experts know "like our Father" (and therefore EXTREMELY know HOW to "drown them out"), or Amer Patriots, about which the Russian military does not know much? ?? So WHAT IS BETTER ?????
      Here are those and "Well, well" !!!!!!!!!!
      1. KUOLEMA
        KUOLEMA 28 July 2017 14: 46
        +1
        We need to sell poplars with yars Yankees, we know our best systems))) we will suppress their hawthorn
      2. mgero
        mgero 29 July 2017 22: 22
        0
        Sell ​​Turk and nuclear weapons as they promised to leave NATO, Erdogan said his mother swear we will leave NATO,
  3. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 28 July 2017 13: 17
    0
    Something this deal with historical friends worries me. Or maybe it’s for the better that Russia is finally friends with Turkey, but distrust remains.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 28 July 2017 14: 36
      0
      Quote: Black Colonel
      that Russia is finally making friends with Turkey, but distrust remains.

      What friendship? There are interests! Here we promote them ..
  4. Yeraz
    Yeraz 28 July 2017 13: 18
    +1
    This is a story about the S-400 blah blah. You don’t know who to believe. That will be the transfer of technology, it will not. They will collect it in Turkey, they will not)))) They would soon sign it so that everything becomes clear.
    1. Aleksey7777777
      Aleksey7777777 28 July 2017 13: 23
      +5
      Yes, there will be NOTHING, Ali, as you rightly noted, blah, blah, blah ..... This is all so muddied so that the partners do not relax ....
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 28 July 2017 13: 28
        +1
        Quote: Aleksey7777777
        Yes, there will be NOTHING, Ali, as you rightly noted, blah, blah, blah .....

        I still have a strong belief in this)
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 28 July 2017 14: 17
          +6
          Well, join you. Interestingly, the dubbing comes only from Turkey, ours are stubbornly silent. Voice acting pops up about once a week, two. I have a strong feeling that the Turks are playing to raise rates with the Americans.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 July 2017 13: 27
    +1
    There will be no technology transfer - absolutely ... The fact that the supplied air defense systems "do not shoot" at their creators also does not cause any doubts ... What is this about? Turks buy from us an air defense system. It is clear that it is not against us, since it is useless ...
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 28 July 2017 14: 19
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What is the speech about?
      The point is that Turks, by definition, cannot be our allies, and the trouble of Russia is that our rulers always underestimated geopolitics as a science (or even put it on it) and looked through their fingers at someone else's lobby under their nose, at foreign agents of influence. For centuries, the Turks have used Britain against Russia, precisely because they have well mastered the geopolitical laws. To hell with it, with this geopolitics, there is an obvious one - Turkey is a NATO member, the Turks shot down our Su-24 bomber ... The Turks "will not get off with tomatoes," why do they need S-400? Now, after the transfer of C-400 to Syria, the NATO greyhound is a little nervous, if they study C-400 in more detail, it will probably be calmer for them, and the same Turks will be able to decide whether they are afraid to shoot down Russian aircraft again. In any case, I see no reason for optimism, armed with the latest systems of such "friends" as the Turks or the Chinese.
      1. protoss
        protoss 28 July 2017 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: Per se.
        For centuries, Turkey used Britain against Russia

        where does this strange word-of-mouth statement come from? let’s say, Mr. Historian, from what century did Britain use the Turks against Russia, and indeed use it. until the end of the 18th century, Britain did not stand next to the Ottomans, because It was a little shaky in comparison with the sultanate, and only from the end of the 4th century (from the Napoleonic attempts in Egypt) did it periodically intervene in Turkish affairs, sometimes on the side of Russia (Greek uprising), now against (Crimean war), then without any connection with Russia ( Egypt Suez). and from the end of the 18th century until the republic, the Turks clearly focused on the Germans.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 28 July 2017 17: 15
          0
          Quote: protoss
          come on mister historian tell
          Yes, what kind of “historian” I am, Alexander, you’re a historian, they all “bent” at once, who are “word of mouth” ... Remember Navarin, where the British fleet was an ally of the Russians, and the British admiral had to send an order, although he "deserved a rope" for the pogrom of the Turks. Right, Britain has always stood aside. To Emperor Paul I, for the plans of a joint campaign with the French in India, it cost a living, and the British were not involved in this either ... Yes, their ears stick out everywhere, so the Anglo-Saxons became masters and leaders of capitalism, which was what they cared about, that they always knew how to create the necessary alliances, be it against Napoleon or Kaiser Germany, to incite at least Turks, even Japanese to Russians, and to rake in the heat with the wrong hands.
  6. BAI
    BAI 28 July 2017 13: 38
    +1
    These complexes can be delivered there only when we leave Syria.
  7. Belyash
    Belyash 28 July 2017 13: 47
    +6


    On credit, and even with technology ... Yeah.
    1. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 28 July 2017 16: 08
      0
      Envy))) so take it to yourself
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    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 July 2017 14: 34
      +4
      and, as previously stated, also for our money (credit) hi
    2. Catherine II
      Catherine II 28 July 2017 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      Our Kremlin lodgers have not one iota of morality, responsibility, or brain

      it's politics ... life is nothing here .. money is everything
      and Qatar, Turkey are only bright moments when the blood of compatriots does not knock in the veins, but plays evergreen ...
      1. KUOLEMA
        KUOLEMA 28 July 2017 16: 13
        +1
        the answer is straight from wiki
        According to the Russian economist M. G. Delyagin, comprador capitalism developed in Russia at the beginning of the XXI century, while the scientist notes its peculiarity, in which the state plays the role of the comprador [7
  9. genisis
    genisis 28 July 2017 14: 32
    +3
    As the old Turkish proverb says: "A hand that you cannot chop off, kiss and put on your forehead."
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 29 July 2017 12: 11
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Logall
    Here the asymmetric answer wakes up. Lure the Turks. Europe is shrinking ...

    It will be a huge success for Russia.

    And if the Turks put our air defense systems on the Turkish Syrian border, how much will they cover our skies already in Syria? Surely the strip will be 200 kilometers will be closed to our VKS. No need to send F-16, save on fuel. The Turks will cover the "svh" barmaley of the workers in the border zone. Turkoman and others. Great success! negative hi
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 July 2017 14: 25
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      No need to send F-16, save on fuel

      Are you kidding me???
      On the one hand, you acknowledge that the Turks, with the help of their Air Force, may not allow the Russian Aerospace Forces to rise. But on the other hand, they say they chose the S-400 path to save fuel)))))
      It would be necessary for Turkey to block the Russian Federation in its Base, Turkey would have done so, it is as if it borders on the Russian Federation and the army is direct in Syria.
      Quote: fa2998
      The Turks will cover the "svh" barmaley of guns operating in the border zone. Turkomanov and others

      Well, for you Turkmens are barmalei terrorists, for Ukraine in the DPR and LPR terrorists. It all depends on which belfry to look at.
  11. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 29 July 2017 13: 06
    0
    So what. Turkish construction business feels quite freely in Russia. As well as food. What about Russian in Turkey? Our boyars again muddied the mega project so that they could wash the boblishka, and the king is far from a strategist ...
  12. Karen
    Karen 29 July 2017 18: 35
    0
    Quote: Logall
    Quote: Yeraz
    specialists who will not look at the ceiling when accepting S-400.

    In any case, these issues, such as a `` friend or foe '' system, were discussed.
    Here the asymmetric answer wakes up. Lure the Turks. Europe is shrinking ...

    A century ago, Stalin climbed out of his skin to be in love with the Turks ... It didn’t help - the paddlers lured those ...
    After, when they divided the world according to the results of WW2, Stalin said with pain: "Let the Turks pray for the Japanese !!!"
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 30 July 2017 19: 34
      +1
      Karen A century ago, Stalin climbed out of his skin to be in love with the Turks ... It didn’t help - the paddlers lured those ...

      Armenia now also enters the EAC, where it will be in 25 years no one knows ...
  13. DOCTOR ZLO
    DOCTOR ZLO 30 July 2017 19: 31
    +1
    Che the indignation of Greece is not heard, suspiciously ...