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Russians have a wrong national idea, a Polish political scientist believes

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Russia was wrong in choosing a national idea based on the Great Patriotic War, political scientist Andrzej Gil is convinced. Did Russia win that war? Not at all; the victory was won by the peoples of the USSR. And in general, in terms of ideology, Russia is “bursting at the seams”.



V. V. Putin. A photo: kremlin.ru


Site Forsal.pl cites the opinion of the Polish political scientist, professor of the Lublin Catholic University Andrzej Gil.

In the ideological sense, Russia is “bursting at the seams”. This political scientist has no doubt. As evidence, he cites two facts.

The first: the State Duma of the Russian Federation recently adopted an appeal where the Polish law banning communist propaganda was defined as a blasphemous act, for it is impossible to forgive those who insult the memory of the Red Army soldiers.

Second, as the scientist believes, in Russia you can already see the results of the opposition movement launched by Alexei Navalny.

The political scientist's conclusion: Russia ideologically cracks at the seams, and the government has nothing left to do but rely on something that could again unite the Russian people around certain values. That is why Moscow is also talking about blasphemy and the "blasphemous act."

Andrzej Gil believes that the Russian authorities are trying to rely on the traditions of the Great Patriotic War in the process of restoring “shared values”. The scientist finds such an approach “very risky.” “Russia is a country that is experiencing a terrible crisis, but this is not an economic crisis, but an identity crisis. We should remember that ethnic Russians, Great Russians, are less and less in Russia, ”the political scientist explained his point.

Gil believes that today's Russia is growing by national minorities, especially Muslim nations. And that is why Moscow is “desperately looking for” a unifying idea.

“But this is no longer Russia, not Russia Great Russian, not Russia of the Eastern Slavs. They are smaller, they have big problems, these are two problems: alcoholism and abortion, ”he explains.

The professor points out that the Great Russians still have a demographic advantage, but it is becoming less and less: “In the coming 20-30 years, Russia can completely change its ethnic look,” predicts a Polish scientist. And he doubts that the idea of ​​the Great Patriotic War as a propaganda is “attractive” to the peoples of the North Caucasus, the Volga region and Siberia. Gil does not think that Russia should be considered the successor of the Soviet Union, who won the Second World War. “Let's remember the main thing: they were not Russians, but Soviet people, the Soviet Union, dozens, hundreds of nationalities. This is not Russia fighting in the Second World War, and the Soviet Union ... "

Ban Gil, we note, went even further than President Duda, the ruling Polish party and, in general, all those who are actively fighting the past in Poland and fighting with monuments. The political scientist simply does not want to admit that Russia is directly related to the victory of 1945 of the year.

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  1. Smog
    Smog 26 July 2017 07: 03
    +27
    Again, the psekki of "life" teach us.
    And who gave them such a right?
    1. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 26 July 2017 07: 14
      +25
      But this is not Russia, not Great Russian, not Russia of the Eastern Slavs. There are fewer of them, they have big problems, there are two problems: alcoholism and abortion, ”he explains.

      In this, he is certainly right, sadly ...
      1. Smog
        Smog 26 July 2017 07: 20
        +11
        Quote: INVESTOR
        these two problems: alcoholism and abortion ",

        ????????????????
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 26 July 2017 07: 58
          0
          There is still a problem of alcoholism, whoever would say anything. In December 2016, 78 people in Irkutsk already died from poisoning with low-quality alcohol.
          1. Smog
            Smog 26 July 2017 08: 05
            +28
            Quote: Zibelew
            There is a problem of alcoholism

            There is. But there is no need to repeat the myths about Russians as the most drinking nation in the world. This is far from the case.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 July 2017 12: 21
              +8
              Not so long ago. Just look at the WHO data. I think and they are exaggerated. It is not the first year in Russia that alcohol consumption has been declining.
              This myth is long gone.
          2. Arameev
            Arameev 27 July 2017 01: 18
            +2
            Quote: Zibelew
            The problem of alcoholism ... In December 2016, 78 people in Irkutsk died from poisoning with low-quality alcohol.

            and where does alcoholism ?! the cause of death is a poor-quality product! a person who drinks a glass once a year can buy this in a store ...
        2. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 26 July 2017 08: 59
          +4
          Quote: Smog
          Quote: INVESTOR
          these two problems: alcoholism and abortion ",

          ????????????????


          The problem of alcoholism is not so much expressed in mortality from hawthorn as in the birth of mentally incomplete children with physical disabilities, the destruction of families, drunken accidents, and it is not necessary that the Russians drink no more than everything, the point is not how much they drink, the point is that they drink And How!!
          1. Smog
            Smog 26 July 2017 09: 02
            +6
            Quote: INVESTOR
            There is no culture of consumption.

            I agree with that. And the rest ... ????? Although he drank with the Germans. If they are in their company, oh, and only .....
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              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 26 July 2017 11: 02
                +4
                Investor, unfortunately you are right: this really is, but I must tell you: it was the same in the 30- very years (read letters from Sholokhov to Stalin.).
                In the beginning of the seventies the situation changed a little, but all the same people left the collective farm.
                I myself lived in a village and I know what I’m talking about: out of my whole class there were 3 people on the collective farm, and by 1990 everyone had left.
                At that time, there was a performance at the Central Television: "The Bobrov Affair" and there is also about it
              2. Smog
                Smog 26 July 2017 11: 08
                +6
                Quote: INVESTOR
                Vital, .. So the whole limit lives, brother, all of Russia.

                This is for me?
                Quote: INVESTOR
                Do you know how many dying villages and collective farms in Russia?)

                Yes, I myself am by no means urban. I live in the village. Then I don’t want to read passages about a “difficult” life. I think the proverb is correct, where he was born, there he came in handy.
                And he lived in a communal apartment
                and in a temporary hut, too. So there is no need to explain common truths. And drunkenness, from hopelessness, does not need to be justified.
              3. UAZ 452
                UAZ 452 26 July 2017 11: 58
                +2
                Well, then you moved to the city, and did not drink too much and did not cock up? Almost all countries went through a massive outflow of population from villages to cities (and whoever didn’t get through - in African countries, for example, are not very happy about this). What can you do if, with modern technologies, agriculture needs about 5% of the state’s workforce (so the whole world), and until the 30s the rural population in the country greatly exceeded 70%. The remaining 65% should feed the rest? Well, the fact that the state has not tried and does not try to facilitate the process of adaptation of the population to new conditions is another question.
                And this question is not unambiguous - there were and are resettlement programs (from remote regions, at least). But here also the mentality factor of our people is superimposed. I once lived in the Far East, at least relocation programs worked. I personally knew people who were crossing them "to the mainland." But there were those who sold housing, received money from the state (they had enough for housing in central Russia), but they drank money and returned six months or a year later, already in the status of homeless people. Here you give your head at the cut-off, that if in your former deaf village (well, while someone else lived there) to make a road-club-medical assistant, then the people will stop thumping right away? Ah, is work still needed? So who will come and give her as a gift? It is necessary that there be profitability, but what profitability, if the potential workers are finished bukhari, with the formed Soviet-collective farm instinct, to drag everything that is not welded tightly from work to the house?
              4. Khazarin
                Khazarin 26 July 2017 17: 25
                +7
                Quote: INVESTOR
                If you don’t know

                Gracious sovereign, not only in the know, but we live here! You belong to the category of individuals whose cognac smells like bugs and the glass is always half empty! What you describe was always, at all times and among all nations. The urban population is precisely growing due to the learned rural ones, only the intensity of this process in Russia, now you have greatly exaggerated. And there is life outside cities, only it is urbanized. And there is Internet, where Rostelecom is craving to invest, mobile phones are invested (Vista, Eta). There were almost no wheelless village people (they became extinct, they did not care about the wheels, but there was a matter of glass). There are certainly problems, in the form of roads, and pathological malice of employers, and this problem must be solved at the state level!
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 26 July 2017 12: 26
            +8
            Talk nonsense. I see in my city that drunk people on the streets are rarely seen, even on holidays.
            Not like before. And the drunks in the yard are not going to, they put up playgrounds there and the children play and mothers with strollers walk.
            If they drink somewhere, they probably clog into some holes so that no one sees. The nephew working in the teaching staff says there are less drunken people.
          3. mig.vlad2015
            mig.vlad2015 26 July 2017 17: 05
            +1
            INVESTOR - how much in the birth of mentally incomplete children with physical disabilities, it seems that you are mentally incomplete, moreover, a liar.
      2. klas000000
        klas000000 26 July 2017 07: 27
        +4
        The victim of a drunken abortion ...
      3. soul
        soul 26 July 2017 07: 33
        +4
        these two problems: alcoholism and abortion

        There was a period, the nation suffered, only statistics have long shown the opposite.
        Well, in that case, he forgot to mention that we go with earflaps, play balalaikas and sing Kalinka (how was they portraying us in American films of the 90s?)
        Conclusion: the "scientist" is outdated, life has gone forward. To the scrap of it. They didn’t know anything about us then, and now they don’t know
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      5. Fei_Wong
        Fei_Wong 26 July 2017 08: 34
        +9
        Yes, nichrome. The Poles drink no less than ours, this is the first (by the way, at one time they even tried to patent vodka as a Polish invention - for the sake of copyrights-money deductions, of course, but it didn’t work out, after all, and here their Russians almost jumped for a century). And about abortion - it’s eternal Polish envy. They are Catholics, and abortion is prohibited (even condoms are condemned by the Catholic Church). As for Russia - just in the last decade, for some reason, the population has scrambled out of the demographic pit - despite these terrible, terrible abortions.
        In short, the song is old. Envy, envy and envy.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 26 July 2017 11: 17
          +2
          Quote: Fei_Wong
          Yes, nichrome. The Poles drink no less than ours, this is the first (by the way, at one time they even tried to patent vodka as a Polish invention - for the sake of copyrights-money deductions, of course, but it didn’t work out, after all, and here their Russians almost jumped for a century). And about abortion - it’s eternal Polish envy. They are Catholics, and abortion is prohibited (even condoms are condemned by the Catholic Church). As for Russia - just in the last decade, for some reason, the population has scrambled out of the demographic pit - despite these terrible, terrible abortions.
          In short, the song is old. Envy, envy and envy.

          Indeed, our birth rate has begun to rise. And about the Catholic Church and envy of us, you are a little behind reality: even the PONTIFIC begins to talk about blue, there was information that the Pope approved the fairy tale for children in the "blue style". Our church does not recognize such an abomination. So your statement about the envy of Catholics was late
      6. von Schlosser
        von Schlosser 26 July 2017 08: 55
        +2
        Under Stalin, abortion was prohibited. In order to compensate for the monstrous population decline. The economy should stimulate the birth rate, not the state ....
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 26 July 2017 10: 36
          +4
          Quote: von schlosser
          The economy should stimulate fertility, not the state ....

          What a famously state you excommunicated from the economy! Well, it’s right in the best traditions of liberoids: the market itself will correct everything, correct it and put it on its feet ... And how long will you use this chewing gum of the era of nascent capitalism? maybe it's time to grow up and understand that IMPERIALISM has long been in the yard! at its worst: the symbiosis of TNCs and the world FIN oligarchy ... with protectionism and a bullying squabble for the markets, raw materials and export of capital ...
          But!
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 26 July 2017 12: 35
            +5
            The state cannot be excluded from this process. It is it, and not the abstract economy, that sets benefits for families with children, child allowances, children's clinics, preschool institutions, schools, recreation camps, sports institutions for children, etc., etc., etc.
            Parents must be sure that they will have something to raise a child, shoes, dress, feed, and that children will have a future.
            But naturally, this requires a strong economy, the stimulation of which is also the duty of the state.
            Those who offer to let things go by themselves, it’s high time to make sure from the experience of the 90s that the “mighty hand of the market” itself will not do anything.
            It's time to forget about these nonsense, "chicks nests of Gaidar."
            Primakov-Maslyukov-Gerashchenko actually showed how to manage the economy, for which they became objectionable to Yeltsin and his liberal circle.
            It turns out you can not steal and build an effective economy.
          2. von Schlosser
            von Schlosser 26 July 2017 14: 10
            0
            I do not at all deny the merger of the state with the economy. This was also the case in the USSR
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        3. Khazarin
          Khazarin 26 July 2017 17: 35
          0
          Quote: von schlosser
          .Economy should stimulate fertility, not the state ....

          Only DOMOSTROY can stimulate the birth rate, when no one asks a woman whether she wants to give birth or does not want to! As much as God gives, so much will give birth! There is one axiom when officials begin to answer for the birth rate, a demographic collapse ensues! But when a nation rejoices in every born baby and there are morals aimed at procreation, demography is all right!
      7. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 26 July 2017 09: 19
        +3
        After all, since the Pshekonoids began to call us the wrong country, they again wanted to sit in the Kremlin, at least a bit, for a troubled time! As for the Kremlin, I'm not sure, but the stars, by historical analogies, will rake the campaign! am
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 July 2017 12: 37
          +2
          If we are scolded, then we are doing everything right. Russia has become strong, at least militarily, and economically stronger than under Yeltsin.
          This causes hysteria among enemies who would like Russia to be stuck in the wretched nineties forever.
      8. nik-karata
        nik-karata 26 July 2017 12: 04
        +1
        But doesn’t it seem to you that this Pole Gil is the first victim of an abortion! Rather, he was supposed to fall as a victim of an abortion. That is, his mother had to have an abortion, but for some reason did not. Here!
    2. Finches
      Finches 26 July 2017 07: 24
      +14
      And what is the national idea of ​​psheks? Sell ​​your ass more expensive ... laughing
      1. soroKING
        soroKING 26 July 2017 07: 45
        +6
        their old idea: Poland from mozh to mozh (from sea to sea)
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 26 July 2017 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: soroKING
          from mozh to mozh

          This is in the most modest version. And in the base - Wielka Polska from Berlin to Tobolsk! wassat
      2. 210ox
        210ox 26 July 2017 07: 46
        +3
        Poland is strong in contention ... That's the whole idea of ​​these new Radzivils ..
        Quote: Finches
        And what is the national idea of ​​psheks? Sell ​​your ass more expensive ... laughing
    3. Basil50
      Basil50 26 July 2017 07: 28
      +4
      I can
      Like any losers, the rulers of Poland, that in the past, that today, are looking for the main culprit of Polish failures. And how the apotheosis of searches indicate what and how everyone around should, but simply must do. Polish * rulers * do not even want to think about the fact that someone does not care about Polish claims in the least. They had built a * globe of Poland * a long time ago and are trying to impress the Poles themselves about * the rotation of world space * only around Poland, Polish interests and Polish ambition.
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 26 July 2017 07: 42
        +6
        And let's be easier. Compare the living standards in our country and in Poland. And decide whose government losers.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 26 July 2017 08: 32
          +7
          Quote: Ken71
          And let's be easier. Compare the living standards in our country and in Poland. And decide whose government losers

          And let's find out first which government makes its decisions most independently and is least dependent on third governments (overseas). Then, after comparison, we call the more dependent government, the “government of prostitutes,” and immediately everything will fall into place. And the standard of living is not a constant phenomenon; it is higher or lower.
          1. Just me
            Just me 26 July 2017 09: 06
            0
            DenZ
            Quote: DenZ
            And first, let's find out which of the governments most independently makes its decisions and is least dependent on third governments (overseas).

            Here it is
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 26 July 2017 08: 35
          +5
          Quote: Ken71
          Let us compare the living standards in our country and in Poland. And we will decide whose government is the loser.

          The Russian government is clearly more fortunate than the Polish one, if we compare their living standards (governments) ...
          But seriously, the Poles ALWAYS lived richer, one hundred and three hundred (four hundred) years ago. AND?
      2. Smog
        Smog 26 July 2017 07: 46
        +4
        Quote: Vasily50
        They had built a * globe of Poland * a long time ago and are trying to impress the Poles themselves about * the rotation of world space * only around Poland, Polish interests and Polish ambition.

        And here I do not quite understand you. lol So which of them is greater? Ukrainians or psheks? recourse And which of them has the globe “more correct”? laughing .A to the account of the failed country you are 100% right hi
      3. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 26 July 2017 08: 09
        +1
        Quote: Vasily50
        I can
        Like any losers, the rulers of Poland, that in the past, that today, are looking for the main culprit of Polish failures. And how the apotheosis of searches indicate what and how everyone around should, but simply must do. Polish * rulers * do not even want to think about the fact that someone does not care about Polish claims in the least. They had built a * globe of Poland * a long time ago and are trying to impress the Poles themselves about * the rotation of world space * only around Poland, Polish interests and Polish ambition.

        If you replace Poland with Ukraine in your text, it’s also suitable ...
      4. THE_SEAL
        THE_SEAL 26 July 2017 18: 10
        0
        Quote: Vasily50
        I can
        Like any losers, the rulers of Poland, that in the past, that today, are looking for the main culprit of Polish failures. And how the apotheosis of searches indicate what and how everyone around should, but simply must do. Polish * rulers * do not even want to think about the fact that someone does not care about Polish claims in the least. They had built a * globe of Poland * a long time ago and are trying to impress the Poles themselves about * the rotation of world space * only around Poland, Polish interests and Polish ambition.

        What are the Polish failures? More in detail
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 26 July 2017 07: 38
      +10
      "Russia in terms of ideology is bursting at the seams"
      How can it crack something that is not and be forbidden! belay
    5. Morm
      Morm 26 July 2017 08: 06
      +2
      [b] [/ b] The Pole is completely right from the first to the last letter. I remember that even a Russian resident at a parade on May 9 said in his speech that Russia would defeat Germany WITHOUT UKRAINE !!! That's it. I would like to ask at your president:
      “And without Armenians, Russia would have won? 300000 would not have returned from the battlefields, among them my grandfather from my father’s side. If Putin believes that Russia would have done without Ukraine, what kind of Armenia is it. And Georgia, Mr. Putin, how? without Belarus? "
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 26 July 2017 08: 55
        +10
        for Morm.
        Greetings from the territory of the Russian Federation to wolf spiders who do not weave a web and attack their victims from an ambush.
        Have you not gone too far into the account of 300 dead Armenians? According to the results of the 000 census in the USSR, the population was 1939 million, including 170,5 thousand Armenians. Before the war in Arm. SSR lived 2,153% of all Armenians in the USSR. 60 thousand Armenians lived in Armenia. 1.282% of the population died? Statistics say that the population is always: 25-55% of women, 60-30% of old people and immature children. 50 thousand: 1 = 282 thousand of the male population of which 2 thousand: 641 x 641 (average) = 100 men of conditionally draft age. Where did the 40 deaths come from, based on your statistics? And this, if we assume that ALL the able-bodied male population of the ArmSSR died on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War ...
        Your comment resembles the statement of Frunzik Mkrtichan in “Mimino” - we have the second water in the world in Dilijan, and the first in San Frasisco. Hyperbole in utterances.
        For your information, in the Second World War the USSR won due to, among other things, the human resource of the Russian population in its determining mass. Both numerical and percentage. Read the statistics.
        No one denies the victims on the fronts of the war among the national republics, but to say that they won the Great Patriotic War sounds cynical and somehow in the context of the anti-Russian hysteria now existing. So, you can even say: you are in trend ...
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 26 July 2017 09: 05
        +8
        Quote: morm
        The Pole is completely right from the first to the last letter. I remember that even a Russian resident at a parade on May 9 in his speech said that Russia would have won Germany WITHOUT UKRAINE!

        1. At the Victory Parade, Putin never said such a thing.
        2. Without Ukraine, of course, they won: because there was never any Ukraine.
        Quote: morm
        And without Armenians, Russia would have won?

        Yes. But Armenia without Russians, no. And there would be as many Armenians in Yerevan today as there are today in Van.
      3. Morm
        Morm 26 July 2017 10: 04
        0
        The Armenians in the USSR lived not only in the Armenian SSR, but you know this very well, only pretend to be an unbeliever. wassat
        Russian attempts to claim victory in the Great Patriotic War evoke feelings of bitterness and loathing and nothing more. In Russia, many would like a person with the inclinations of Stalin to rule the country again. Hypothetically, such a person came to power in Russia today, he immediately put to the wall of your beloved President Putin for saying that Russia would deal with Germany and alone, as a Russian chauvinist, undermining the foundations of the state.
        1. mig.vlad2015
          mig.vlad2015 26 July 2017 17: 24
          +4
          Morm - listen, you were always crushed even by the Turks, who ran from the Russians like hares, so don’t have to drive bullshit.
      4. ser-pov
        ser-pov 26 July 2017 10: 18
        +9
        I’m reading your comments and the question arises - I D not where to pour my own? So go to the Armenian site and there, against your Serge, push your speech !!! When did Putin say that it was not the Soviet people who won? When did he belittle any nationality? Do not soar nonsense, it hurts ...
        1. Morm
          Morm 26 July 2017 10: 41
          0
          Quote: ser-pov
          I’m reading your comments and the question arises - I D not where to pour my own? So go to the Armenian site and there, against your Serge, push your speech !!! When did Putin say that it was not the Soviet people who won? When did he belittle any nationality? Do not soar nonsense, it hurts ...

          I heard Putin’s speech with my own ears, they trained me pretty well at the Russian language school and I understand you perfectly
      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 July 2017 10: 46
        +10
        Quote: morm
        If Putin believes that Russia would do without Ukraine, then what kind of Armenia is it. And Georgia, Mr. Putin, how? And without Belarus? "

        MORM! Stop carrying BAD !!! Vladimir Putin has never said such a thing anywhere! No need to sculpt a hunchback on our forum !!! Putin, on the contrary, always emphasizes that the people of Ukraine are our fraternal Russian people and we have the same historical roots. Never and nowhere has the President of Russia questioned the contribution of EVERY people of our MULTINATIONAL HOMELAND to the GREAT VICTORY!
        And there is nothing to troll here, a scumbag, unworthy of his GREAT Armenian people !!! am
        1. Morm
          Morm 26 July 2017 12: 40
          +1
          I admit I’m not right only in one thing - Mr. Putin said that Russia did not win the Great Patriotic War without Ukraine at the May 9 parade, I made a mistake, and on December 16, 2010, at a meeting with the Russian public, answering a question from biker Zaldostanov (Surgeon). You can find this piece of speech on Google or on YouTube. I can’t put photos and videos, otherwise I would just move this part of Putin’s speech.
      6. mig.vlad2015
        mig.vlad2015 26 July 2017 17: 17
        +1
        Morm -For the most stupid, in the Soviet army, only one in four was not Russian, that’s the wise guy and figure out who won the Great Patriotic War.
      7. mig.vlad2015
        mig.vlad2015 26 July 2017 17: 20
        0
        Morm - and you don’t know how many weeks Outskirts were completely occupied by the Germans, and whom she could defeat while in occupation, TOTAL BRAINS ARE ROTATED.
      8. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 27 July 2017 11: 15
        0
        You are a provocateur. Do not like living in alliance with Russia? Pack your suitcase to Poland or Ukraine.
    6. keeper03
      keeper03 26 July 2017 09: 02
      +1
      Let the Polish professor not worry, Russia will soon have to repeat feat of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers! hi Then we’ll "talk".
    7. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 26 July 2017 09: 07
      +4
      The Polish pan is right in one thing, with ideology and agreement we have difficulties, hence the monarchists, bulk players, oranges, rainbow, Natsiks, Islamists and radicals of all stripes and the bourgeoisie is not very compassionate over all this circus.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 27 July 2017 11: 15
        0
        Survive with such a set.
    8. antivirus
      antivirus 26 July 2017 09: 44
      0
      in 1612, the Monomakh Hat disappeared from the Kremlin.
      Here in Poland secretly, some try on it ..
      and the main problems of the Russian Federation named pshek correctly
  2. Logall
    Logall 26 July 2017 07: 06
    +28
    In Poland, the correct idea: lie down under the Yankees, spread your legs, and with the words `` sui pro '' have fun ...
  3. Ushly_bashkort
    Ushly_bashkort 26 July 2017 07: 06
    +8
    The first: the State Duma of the Russian Federation recently adopted an appeal where the Polish law banning communist propaganda was defined as a blasphemous act, for it is impossible to forgive those who insult the memory of the Red Army soldiers.

    Polska strong! Swaying the foundations of Russia!
    Second, as the scientist believes, in Russia you can already see the results of the opposition movement launched by Alexei Navalny.

    Yes, Ovalny has a huge percentage of support in Russia!

    Fools can’t calm down
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 26 July 2017 07: 13
      +10
      Quote: Ushly_bashkort
      Yes, Ovalny has a huge percentage of support in Russia! Fools can’t calm down

      Yesterday I saw Navalny’s propaganda “stall” in the center of Novosibirsk, and near it were distributed leaflets for boys and girls, very similar to schoolchildren. Last year, there were older students. Well, clearly this so-called "opposition" requires a good belt.
      1. Ushly_bashkort
        Ushly_bashkort 26 July 2017 07: 20
        +6
        I didn’t even watch his speeches before, then I decided to take a look when some comrades entered his sect, and so, this nonsense is a normal adult who simply does not regard political argument and the program of the presidential candidate. Logic is zero, all attacks are unproven, pressure on emotions and juggling of facts. Therefore, in the regions, this “oppositionist” gathers more journalists than supporters of his “actions”, most of which are just schoolchildren.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 26 July 2017 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: Ushly_bashkort
          most of which are just schoolchildren.

          This is dangerous: in years 10 they will come to replace people like you and they will bend what they Anal today brings in under the guise of truth-seeking ... It's time to take on our youth! Missed her in the country 404 - got maydowns! But it’s apparently holding our power while in the ass! And then it may be too late: you will have to wash your face with blood, uprooting leftist tares! Trotskyism, his mother, did not die with Leiba Bronstein ... the tenacious turned out to be a bastard!
        2. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 27 July 2017 11: 18
          0
          And how did you decide on such a feat? Only one paragraph was enough for me and set the lock. And so r ... a lot on the internet.
      2. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 26 July 2017 07: 44
        +3
        These guys will rule Russia in 20 30 years
        1. IGOR GORDEEV
          IGOR GORDEEV 26 July 2017 08: 07
          +2
          Quote: Ken71
          These guys will rule Russia in 20 30 years

          This is clear! And what to do? Where do the parents of these children look? So either support or they do not care!
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 26 July 2017 08: 23
            +1
            They need to be organized and not beaten by the kidneys as some on the forum advise.
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 26 July 2017 08: 36
              +1
              Quote: Ken71
              They need to be organized and not beaten by the kidneys as some on the forum advise

              They have already been organized (Bulk) what next? How exactly do they "organize"?
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 26 July 2017 09: 48
            +1
            how old are you?
            when the boys in pink panties seized power, everything seemed to end. We live with ABCHub + Nabiulina + Kudrin.
            and someone will live with those children, including under their authority
            1. Ushly_bashkort
              Ushly_bashkort 26 July 2017 10: 20
              +2
              Navalny proposes to bring to power all kinds of freaks, led by himself as an outsider to Ukraine. What will come of this to explain?
  4. Ka2
    Ka2 26 July 2017 07: 08
    0
    Moreover: Victory in the Great Patriotic War - United Russia? soldier
    Hm, a coincidence?
  5. Zubr
    Zubr 26 July 2017 07: 10
    +5
    smile And you wouldn’t go far away Andrzej Gil. The usual chatter and pun. I wonder who gave him a degree? smile
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 July 2017 07: 11
    +9
    opinion of Polish political scientist, professor of Lublin Catholic University Andrzej Gil

    This opinion has so much disdain for our country, so much bile and dirt that one wonders how much can one endure all these attacks and actions directed against Russia? And this is stated by the representative of the rogue country, licking the fifth point of the United States and at the same time considering itself the "center and pillar" of Europe. In Ukraine, the same "professors" of history, law, etc. We live in a hostile environment of dwarfs who are still hiding behind America’s broad back.
    1. Smog
      Smog 26 July 2017 07: 18
      +10
      Quote: rotmistr60
      We live in a hostile environment of dwarfs

      So three times Russia and Prussia divided Poland. Once again, Austria participated. Well, it didn’t work out of the great state of Poland, from the word at all. But the arrogance of the gentry can not be got anywhere. Here are the psheks until the end of the century and will be malicious. So nothing unexpected ..
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 26 July 2017 07: 25
        +4
        Of course, there is nothing unexpected, but sometimes it’s too insulting to hear this Russophobic nonsense. If you knew everything in advance, you had to divide Poland with Prussia so that the memory of it would disappear by our time.
  7. anjey
    anjey 26 July 2017 07: 12
    +9
    pshek does not catch up with the fact that Russia was the core of the USSR and now it is a full-blooded multinational assignee of the union, he voiced what the West wants to make from Russia and not what it is ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 26 July 2017 07: 41
      +7
      In their opinion, Russia as the successor of the USSR should only repay debts and repent, repent ...
  8. klaus16
    klaus16 26 July 2017 07: 13
    +5
    After reading, I do not want to say anything. Because in the soul only anger appears and mats !!! Every thought is his complete crap! "... Volga, Siberia ..." He decided for me what I need?
    1. gaura
      gaura 26 July 2017 11: 48
      +2
      How did he know that the Immortal Regiment also came from the very Siberian city of Tomsk, but in its reality we do not support the idea of ​​victory in the Second World War.
  9. Lopatov
    Lopatov 26 July 2017 07: 14
    +12
    It is Poland who incorrectly chose the national idea. The struggle with Russia over and over again led the Poles to collapse. And the allies in this struggle over and over again betrayed ...

    Well, "alcoholism and abortion" ... not the Poles to talk about it. Who has been there, in the know 8)))
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 July 2017 07: 20
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Well, "alcoholism and abortion" ... not the Poles to talk about it. Who has been there, in the know 8)))

      Of course they drink the same, not a little, but abortion is prohibited. hi
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 July 2017 07: 40
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        but abortion is forbidden

        I do not think that clandestine abortions and those performed in neighboring countries are a big plus for the Poles. Rather, the opposite. Clandestine abortion is very likely fatal to the female reproductive function. And sometimes death ...

        When the lives and health of their own women are sacrificed to Catholic ideology, this does not paint the state of Poland at all.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 July 2017 08: 05
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Clandestine abortion

          I agree that the quality of clandestine abortions is low, but nevertheless, the ban has reduced the total number of abortions by several times. Accordingly, the end justifies the means. request
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 July 2017 09: 31
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            end justifies the means

            What purpose justifies the death of women or the fatal consequences for their reproductive function?
            Well, abortion has no effect on increasing the birth rate. There are completely different mechanisms. Otherwise, Iceland, where abortion is allowed, would not be ahead of Poland in birth rates by almost a third. And Poland itself would not be at the same birth rate as Belarus, where, again, they are not prohibited.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 July 2017 10: 55
              0
              Quote: Spade
              What purpose justifies the death of women or the fatal consequences for their reproductive function?

              The number of children born.
              Quote: Spade
              Well, abortion does not affect fertility increase

              Google Poland birth rates before and after the abortion ban. The facts speak in favor of the ban.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 July 2017 12: 21
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The number of children born.

                The world leader in this parameter is Congo. No prohibition on abortion.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Google the birth rate statistics in Poland before and after the abortion ban. The facts speak in favor of the ban.

                I’m afraid you yourself didn’t dare to google these statistics ...
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 27 July 2017 15: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  I’m afraid you yourself didn’t dare to google these statistics ...

                  To my shame, yes, I hoped for a logical chain. request
                  But still, the ban is more beneficial - any gynecologist will confirm the harm of abortion to the health of both a woman and subsequent children, if they happen later. I hope you will not argue with this?
                  And about mortality - in the same Poland for several years there was only one death of a woman during an underground abortion. But mortality is with legal abortions. hi
        2. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 26 July 2017 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          I do not think that clandestine abortions and those performed in neighboring countries are a big plus for the Poles.

          And nobody needs clandestine abortions, such people just go to the Czech Republic and for a small fee they have abortions in clinics. Although yes, there is an excess in Poland with abortions.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 July 2017 09: 35
      +1
      By the way, the old picture in topic 8)))

      Over and over again, a “war hamster” is raised from Poland, and then betrayed.
      The national idea of ​​the Poles is jumping on a rake?
  10. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 26 July 2017 07: 15
    +6
    he is right in something. There are some problems with ideology, but they are associated with the dominance of advertising on TV. Regarding the fact that the face of Russia acquires Asian features, it is all over the world. America is blackening. And alcoholism has become less than 10 years old. Regarding the demolition of monuments: whoever shoots a pistol in the past, then the future will shoot from a gun.
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 26 July 2017 13: 04
      0
      America is not so much blackened as "Latinized." An endless stream of Mexicans, Colombians and other Latin Americans, through all possible means, crosses borders. Almost half of the Texas population is Hispanic, and back in the 70s it was just the opposite. And what they bring with them is also known. As a friend from Texas informed me, the first generation has nothing yet, they are working tirelessly, etc., but their "grateful" offspring are already doing the damn thing.
  11. Vladimir Anatolyevich
    Vladimir Anatolyevich 26 July 2017 07: 16
    +4
    After the collapse of the union, ideology disappeared. Divide and conquer however. Now ideology is still needed to unite and educate the young and very young, and the memory of the Second World War can do this very well. Westerners will meet the revival of a great country with a great multinational people and a truly great, common history.
  12. Dezinto
    Dezinto 26 July 2017 07: 17
    +9
    I judge by the Poles - I must say by ordinary people, but no, yesterday I watched Yakuba Koreyba burst on the air, then Tomas is also a fairy-tale scumbag. And the simple ones, of course, want to trade and be friends with Russia. But something like these Koreans come to the fore and I won’t be surprised if in their sejm the same graying with very strange logic.
    - About the Nazis in Ukraine - "less than a human being, this is certainly horrifying, but from a political point of view, I understand them, these are people who are ready to defend Europe with weapons in their hands." All the curtain. My jaw dropped open personally.

    How can one slow down in the mind and achieve a repetition of history? I don’t understand at all!?!?

  13. Lyton
    Lyton 26 July 2017 07: 18
    +2
    Whoever would know about him, if not for this note, the pan will bubble up with awareness of his importance, so he will soon agree that the Psheks won the war.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 26 July 2017 08: 43
      +1
      Quote: Lyton
      so he soon agreed that the pshek won the war.


      In the now distant, in 1974, from the 13-year-old Pole, I heard that they liberated Poland themselves, and our army only helped them a little, so what, you want to hear from them now ?!
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 26 July 2017 09: 09
        0
        and here it’s not true! Ukrainian-Polish scientists recently proved that Ukrainians liberated Poland.
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  15. Dmitry Skorobogatov
    Dmitry Skorobogatov 26 July 2017 07: 23
    +6
    All vkurse that the Russian Federation did not win the Second World War, as it was not there yet. Are Russians now forbidden to honor their ancestors only because of the collapse of the USSR? Or did the Soviet Republic of Russia not fight at all? I do not understand something? Although he is not the first grief "political scientist" who spoke this nonsense.
  16. Pravodel
    Pravodel 26 July 2017 07: 23
    +2
    After Poland taught life to Europe, there were 2 great divisions of Poland. Now the Poles decided to teach Europe and Russia again. What comes of this, see the beginning.

    "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong, united people, relying on a powerful state, ensures the prosperity of the Fatherland for centuries.
    1. Smog
      Smog 26 July 2017 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: The Truth
      After Poland taught life to Europe, there were 2 great divisions of Poland.

      Let me fix it. Three. Why are you offending them? laughing
  17. Professor
    Professor 26 July 2017 07: 24
    +8
    In order to criticize the “national idea” it is necessary to read it at least. I don’t remember that in Russia at the official level they voiced the National Idea. What is the conversation about? Moreover, even when it is voiced it will be purely an internal affair of Russia, well, unless of course there is no encroachment on other countries.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 26 July 2017 07: 37
      +5
      Well, unless of course there is no encroachment on other countries.


      It was very important to add this to your speech. good Such a small nuance, yes. Here is just a light spittle. )))

      For a second -



      And nothing like that, normal two countries to the point of democratization are democratic and fair. hi
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 July 2017 07: 49
        +3
        And in what place did you draw the UK and the USA here? Are they related to the "National Idea" of Russia? If so, then take the trouble to explain, and if not, stop trolling.
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto 26 July 2017 08: 22
          +4
          In the military doctrine of the Russian Federation there is not a word about cheating, or the intention to attack other countries. We would be beaten off - this is the eternal doctrine. II .. no troll in no time. Just a word had. The United States spelled out - "any wrong sneeze in any other country - is there a provocation against? - US national security." That’s all I’m just about.



          Well, objectively, right?
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 July 2017 09: 48
            +2
            Quote: DEZINTO
            In the military doctrine of the Russian Federation there is not a word about cheating, or the intention to attack other countries.

            Everything mixed up in a heap. National idea, Military doctrine ...
            1. Dezinto
              Dezinto 26 July 2017 10: 36
              0
              Everything mixed up in a heap. National idea, Military doctrine ...


              Oh yes! .... winked
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 26 July 2017 07: 48
      0
      One certainly will not, because "there is a quarter of our people." Yes, and we do not start a war, we end them.,))
    3. Lena Petrova
      Lena Petrova 26 July 2017 07: 51
      +3
      Our national idea is simple: - We are independent, the collapse of other countries from the outside, fascism and the imposition of our values ​​on others are unacceptable.
    4. Yura
      Yura 26 July 2017 08: 43
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      In order to criticize the “national idea” it is necessary to read it at least.

      Bravo professor. Almost aphorism.
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  19. Alex66
    Alex66 26 July 2017 07: 34
    +2
    In an ideological sense, Russia is "bursting at the seams."
    The conclusion is correct, Russia has no ideology, with the restoration of capitalism, which a bunch of nouveau riche can offer us, work for them for a piece of bread, in case of war die for their capital, they don’t want to teach our children, heal the same, they offer to cancel pensions, even they don’t want to take luggage for free on the plane (those who have everything on a credit card fly lightly). After socialism, capitalism is not able to give a national idea.
  20. Flinky
    Flinky 26 July 2017 07: 37
    0
    It can be seen from Pshekia what the bulk of the positive piled on? Why is it not visible then?
    And with natsidey he is somewhat right. Having renounced the USSR at the state level and bashfully calling this renunciation "reconciliation" - we lost it, and until we return to our history again and completely - we won’t be able to find it. One piece cannot be taken out of history and elevated to the rank of a national idea.
  21. NikolaiN
    NikolaiN 26 July 2017 07: 37
    +3
    Strange logic ... That Russia is the successor and heiress of the USSR and must be responsible for the events of those times (such as Katyn), comply with treaties and obligations. But at the same time, Russia cannot consider itself the successor of the USSR when it comes to Victory ... Although ... why be surprised where is the logic, and where are all these political scientists, the sequence of views is not their thing.
  22. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 26 July 2017 07: 46
    +1
    He went away, this wise guy
  23. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 26 July 2017 07: 52
    +1
    The national idea of ​​Russia is the development and strengthening of the country, and the victory in the Second World War is simply a story for us that we honor ... And venal and cowardly Poles, under the pretext of the fight against communism, demolish monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army who gave their lives liberating Poland, and many of them were not communists ...
  24. demo
    demo 26 July 2017 07: 52
    +3
    So I want to object to this "political scientist."
    And then you think - and it's worth it to enter into a discussion with him.
    For the Poles, the very existence of Russia has always been an annoying factor.
    And the Poles for Russia have always been "uncomfortable" neighbors.
    This is the whole answer.
    And the rest is from the Evil One.
  25. Masya masya
    Masya masya 26 July 2017 08: 05
    +7
    How tired, these all are easy to understand ... they all know how and what we have ... didn’t try to look under their feet? Probably they have the most “excellent” national idea - the fight against monuments ... with such zeal they put it into practice ...
  26. pvv113
    pvv113 26 July 2017 08: 07
    +3
    Russians have a wrong national idea, a Polish political scientist believes

    But the Poles have the right one - what Washington says is the national idea
    1. Tolstoevsky
      Tolstoevsky 26 July 2017 08: 08
      +1
      first- what will the Vatican say
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 26 July 2017 08: 10
        +1
        I agree - and the Vatican too. The Poles, in my opinion, do not care who to lie under, this is the national idea wink
  27. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 26 July 2017 08: 08
    +1
    whose cow would moo
    1. Yura
      Yura 26 July 2017 08: 46
      0
      Quote: Tolstoevsky
      whose cow would moo

      Well, "Duc" the Polish cow is being bullied.
  28. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 26 July 2017 08: 37
    0
    And the author considers the ideology of pederasty cultivated in Europe to be correct ???
  29. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 26 July 2017 08: 37
    +1
    “In the next 20-30 years, Russia may completely change its ethnic appearance,” the Polish scientist predicts. And he doubts that the idea of ​​the Great Patriotic War as propaganda is “attractive” to the peoples of the North Caucasus, the Volga region and Siberia. Gil does not think that Russia should be considered the successor to the Soviet Union, who won the Second World War. “Let's remember the main thing: they were not Russians, but Soviet people, the Soviet Union, tens, hundreds of nationalities. This is not Russia who fought in World War II, but the Soviet Union ... ”so that readers of VO would not speak to my comment, but with this statement, I agree with Lyakh.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 26 July 2017 09: 22
      +1
      A spoon of honey will not make a barrel of crap a treat. Nobody argues that the USSR fought against fascism, but ideological distortions in the information war work according to the same eternal principle of "divide and conquer." Now we see not the physical tearing of the republics of the USSR, but the remnants of its ideology "one state for all peoples." Western propaganda is absolutely non-creative: the idiotic thought about the exclusivity and inferiority of everyone else is driven into their heads (a typical Nazi ideology in the service of the West, children in the United States are raised this way - they drive the myth of uniqueness and superiority over others into the head of szmalsalstvo).
      The whole point is to deprive the victim of the idea of ​​living together and be stronger, to repulse from the herd ... to drive and devour. They are also trying to push through similar things through the fifth columns for shattering the Russian Federation: "Ural Republic", "independent Siberia with the Far East", "Kaliningrad - you are Europe" .... - all in one field of a berry.
      However, all their fuss and supposedly arguments are broken by one parable - about a branch pulled out of a broom and broken.
  30. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 26 July 2017 08: 48
    +7
    Another Catholic anneals about the Orthodox .... Nonsense ....
    But it is necessary to work on shortcomings - who would argue!
  31. Alexey Sobolev
    Alexey Sobolev 26 July 2017 08: 50
    0
    And who ever heard anything about this professor before the Dudes somewhere dug up these his judgments?
  32. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 26 July 2017 08: 51
    +2
    Damn, this flawed position, to make excuses for every sneeze from abroad. Like Chekhov’s, every day you need to squeeze out a slave from yourself drop by drop. THEY ARE NOBODY AND CALLING THEM NOW
  33. PRAVDOLIUB
    PRAVDOLIUB 26 July 2017 09: 12
    0
    The Pole is not a nationality, it is a profession.
  34. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 July 2017 09: 21
    0
    A foolish man in one word. The Psheks have historically drained their identities and have always been a rabble of the Catholic world. Do you don’t tell Russians about the national idea !!!
  35. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 26 July 2017 09: 34
    0
    Are we taught in relation to the Second World War by a country whose joint aggression with Germany against Czechoslovakia, with the annexation of the Teszy region, actually started it? A country that signed a treaty with Germany (Hitler-Pilsudski Pact) 5 years earlier than the endlessly exaggerated Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact? A country that continued to solve the "Jewish question" after the German troops left, and, by the way, achieved unprecedented success in this matter: it is estimated that about 99% of Polish Jews were either destroyed or expelled, mostly by the hands of the Poles. If there is a people on Earth who have the least rights to moralizing, then these are Poles.
  36. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 26 July 2017 09: 40
    0
    What Gil believes is harmful to Poland itself. And the main strategic mistake of the Poles from the beginning and from century to century is the Catholic faith, not the Orthodox! Catholics and an orientation toward Western culture, due to exorbitant national ambition, did not allow the Poles to be allies of the Russian principalities at the beginning and the Russian Empire in the future. As a result, such a state was abolished, then it was reborn again several times at a great cost. So the Poles have accumulated anger, their whole life “went” to Russia against the war, but they remained poor, and they still have to crawl before the Anglo-Saxons. In alliance with the Russians, this would not have happened. In a word, the second grade! No matter how angry they are and not venting their anger on the graves and not looting, they still cannot do anything else.
  37. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 26 July 2017 09: 55
    0
    In fact, even earlier, Poland would become an Afro-Arab country itself. And we Muslims also remember why our grandfathers fought and died. Moreover, remember that great-great-grandfathers took Paris. I did not want to, but we can remind you (with a small letter, Russia is more than 30 (silver pieces) times Poland.
  38. Boris Tomarov_2
    Boris Tomarov_2 26 July 2017 10: 14
    +3
    Russia is not Slavs, but all the peoples inhabiting it, even Muslims, even Buddhists, even Jews and Catholics, Russians, are residents of Russia with its mentality, but the extremely proud, strange Pole is very envious of the unity in Russia of all different national and religious concessions.
  39. kirgudu
    kirgudu 26 July 2017 10: 30
    0
    Do we have a national idea?
    The fact that they let us down from above and demonstrate by their example is to cut money by any means.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 26 July 2017 12: 09
      0
      Well, in fairness it is worth noting that in the Anglo-Saxon countries this idea has worked for centuries, and now it works. But it’s also worth noting that Protestantism is more suitable for this idea, Catholicism is less suitable, and Orthodox (and we have just that among the majority of the population, even atheists) has a mentality and Islam, less affinity for the cult of personal success at all costs - only with Buddhism and Confucianism. By the way, this is largely why Orthodox Greece in the EU has such problems - the civilizational incompatibility of mentality with the same Protestant Germany.
  40. romb
    romb 26 July 2017 10: 47
    +1
    Explicitly disagree with this statement:
    the idea of ​​World War II as propaganda is “attractive” to the peoples of the North Caucasus, the Volga region and Siberia.

    It is precisely the memory of the Second World War that is to a large extent the factor that somehow unites us together. Almost all of us are proud of the exploits of our common fellow citizens who won the Great Patriotic War. Here, probably, it was meant that Russia is increasingly replacing the concept of "Soviet" with "Russian" for propaganda purposes. Putting an equal sign on them. Which in general, looks rather unpleasant when viewed from the side.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 26 July 2017 12: 13
      0
      The Soviet is not being replaced by Russian in order to “cut off” the victory of citizens of the former Soviet republics, just the opposite - the country is ready to share a common history, and with joy. Another thing is that many of the independent ones push themselves away from this story and renounce it. The reason is Russian - the word "Soviet" still causes allergies in a significant part of society, so they try not to exacerbate once again.
  41. teron
    teron 26 July 2017 11: 59
    0
    The look of a Martian.
    Russia has no ideology. There is nothing to "crack at the seams."
    But this is official. And there is no official ideology in Russia. She is anti-Soviet. And here pan Andrzej is somewhat right - you cannot rely on Victory in the Great Patriotic War and at the same time be an anti-Soviet.
  42. Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 July 2017 12: 00
    0
    Pan Anjey, you are in many ways right: 1 the peoples of the USSR defeated WWII and V.V. talked about this more than once.
    Indeed, the Kremlin: "in the process of restoring" common values, "they are trying to rely on the traditions of the Second World War." This is natural: for 70 years we had a socialist ideology, and now there has been a change of eras and, accordingly, ideology should also change.
    In ethnic terms, we are not the same as we were 40-50 years ago - right, in our countryside, alcohol is also a fact prevailing. this is one side of the coin, and now the other.
    2 ... Poland, too, is undergoing a change of eras and a reappraisal of values: they built socialism, and now they are turning 180 degrees.
    Ethnically, Poland is also not the same as it was 40 or even 20 years ago, but your population growth is due to: Ukrainians, the Baltic states and MIGRANTS from the Middle East
  43. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 26 July 2017 12: 18
    0
    With the permission of a political scientist, it would not hurt to learn a story with geography! There would have been no Russia, there would have been no USSR, there would have been no victory over fascist Germany, and there would have been no modern Poland with the Poles, before that Mr. Gil apparently had not thought of it, he did not have enough mind! Pshek decided to teach us life and history, but they themselves dream of a "Greater Poland" from sea to sea.
  44. Black5Raven
    Black5Raven 26 July 2017 13: 15
    0
    But this is not Russia, not Great Russian, not Russia of the Eastern Slavs. There are fewer of them, they have big problems, there are two problems: alcoholism and abortion, ”he explains.

    Is not it ? The population growth is due to visitors from Central Asia, Muslim regions and every year there are more of them. But the Russians can not get citizenship for years. In the European capital (is it really so European?), On a Muslim holiday, crowds fill the streets and slaughter rams, the largest mosque in Europe is opened. But this is only the beginning and no measures are being taken. Where is the struggle against a transparent border, through which illegal immigrants scurry around as they want, for starters then?
  45. Delink
    Delink 26 July 2017 13: 45
    0
    Another "Don Quixote" who is trying to fight the mills. Well, they are completely bruised there.
  46. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 July 2017 13: 47
    0
    Well, they see it that way. American bedding ...
    Well, we have a national idea, try to survive until the collapse of the Anglo-Saxons.
    To write different things on the ruins of the Capitol and the White House.
  47. Evgeny Zhevlonenko
    Evgeny Zhevlonenko 26 July 2017 15: 45
    0
    So they didn’t understand us, our idea is “we won’t let us slander the heritage of our grandfathers”, Russians are a “collective image” of peoples living in the territory of the former USSR, many nationalities had a Russian in their passports and we are loyal to all peoples Unless, of course, the representative of this people does not lose its “human face”. And if right now the "Ukrainians" yes, that’s exactly so, not the Ukrainians, who turn away from the heritage of their grandfathers, then this fact should unite even more, since we, modern Russia, are the last outpost of "big Russia" .... dogs: how then, do not throw the current through the tomatoes)))
  48. Bibabo
    Bibabo 26 July 2017 17: 50
    0
    Bullshit on all sides. It seems that the idea that the Russians won (or the RSFSR, and not the USSR) was not promoted by the state. From the position that Gil calls for, military monuments do not look like the propaganda of communism, and their demolition turns out to be directed not only against the Russian Federation, because "they were not Russians, but Soviet people, the Soviet Union, tens, hundreds of nationalities." On the other hand, there is a "pinch" with this idea, and the peak of its popularity has already been passed ... And there are such "patriots" - red monarchists who offer to see only the merit of the leader ...
    1. Bibabo
      Bibabo 26 July 2017 18: 03
      0
      They use the military theme to propagate their idea that the destiny of the "people" is to suffer and die for the goals of the leaders. Their people are cannon fodder in the war and slaves in great construction sites. And victory is proof of the correctness of their ideology.
  49. Sasha sidorenko
    Sasha sidorenko 26 July 2017 19: 14
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    Every trash thinks of himself as a guide and teacher.: You don’t go there! To bow to the master in and another

    side! We know! We walk ourselves! The owner recently appointed us a welcome concubine! Too shallow and lousy to teach Russia!
  50. Kostik zaika
    Kostik zaika 26 July 2017 20: 20
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    The Bzdyneks Pshebzdetsky were completely insolent.