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NI: Su-35 in battles with American fighters

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As the InoTV, The National Interest has appreciated the possibilities of the Russian Fighter Su-35 in the event of his confrontation with the American aviation.

According to the publication, the Su-35 is the best fighter currently in service with the Russian Air Force. Its purpose is to gain superiority in the air. This model represents the crown of development of Russian aviation of the 4th generation. It has unrivaled maneuverability and advanced electronic and weapons systems thanks to which it is in no way inferior to Western "brothers", in particular, the F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale.



High maneuverability is provided by thrust vectoring engines that can rotate in different directions, which contributes to maneuver during yaw and roll performance. Also thanks to this, the Su-35 has a very large angle of attack. The speed limit is 2,25 Mach at high altitudes, it is set very quickly. The distance of the action is 3,5 thousand km without additional tanks and 4,5 thousand km with two suspended tanks.

In this case, the combat potential of the aircraft in a collision with subtle fighter 5-th generation remains in question. Radar absorbing materials used in the design are not enough to significantly reduce the visibility of the machine.

Su-35 is at least equal — if not superior — to the best western fighters of the fourth generation. However, the big question is whether he can withstand fifth-generation fighters like the F-22 and F-35.


Maneuverability provides significant advantages Su-35 at ultra-short distances. In this case, the entry into service of the newest missiles will lead to a sharp increase in the distance of the battlefield, which levels this superiority. In this case, the Su-35 will have to rely on the high speed, which distinguishes it favorably, and the means of electronic warfare.

As believed in the US Air Force, the Su-35 will not be able to detect the F-35 at long range. In this regard, the American fighter will be able to water the enemy with missiles until it enters the enemy's infrared scanning zone.

Defenders of the Su-35 believe that passive and ground-based radars will assist the Su-35 in finding the enemy. However, these tools rarely give accurate results and, as a rule, cannot be used to aim weapons.

Perhaps Su-35 is the best in stories Aviation fighter for maneuverable combat at a short distance, which is capable of carrying missiles on board; However, whether these advantages will be enough to capture air supremacy in the era of subtle fighters is an open question.


Of no small importance is the small number of aircraft: the RF Air Force has only 48 units in service, according to plans their number will increase by 10 vehicles annually. It is assumed to export 24 machines to the PRC. Aircraft may be purchased by Algeria, Venezuela, Egypt and Vietnam.
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  1. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 July 2017 10: 22
    +33
    Only on paper, but it’s capable of analysis, do a real, at least training battle with the F-22, or F-35 .... let's see. But you will never agree to this, because the most important thing is the show off!
    1. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
      +14
      Totally agree with you. Such comparisons are “about nothing” and, as always, the level of training of a combat pilot is not taken into account, and this is the most important thing. hi
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 25 July 2017 10: 48
        +30
        It has unrivaled maneuverability and advanced electronic and weapon systems, thanks to which it is in no way inferior to Western "brothers", in particular, the F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale.
        Correct me if I am mistaken, but in my opinion, the Su-27 was not inferior to all the aircraft listed, moreover, it surpassed them. Su-35 is not even a deep modernization of the Su-27, it is a new aircraft with an old glider. So this article is another PR action called “buy our Fu-35 the most-most airplane in the world” ... And nothing will need to be finished with a file later, anyway it’s the most-most ... laughing
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 25 July 2017 11: 03
          +12
          Good day, Diana! hi love love love After reading the link to NI I was wary. Having reached the comparison of the Su-35 with the F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale stopped reading. Again, the Penguin advertisement and the complete profanity of the author - boring, girls! crying
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 25 July 2017 11: 14
            +15
            Pasha, hello again! hi love NI is generally unique. There, "experts" at the level of our VOCHNY couch write articles about the most-most airplane in the world ... Which in reality is nothing more than a booming flying barrel. I can’t pretend to say how dangerous it is to our Drying, but something tells me that its capabilities are greatly exaggerated mattresses. You can remember a lot of things, and Korea, and Vietnam, and the same Yugoslavia ... Everywhere it was the same, everything was decided by people managing the equipment, and often outdated ... So, until there is a direct combat collision of these machines, all this talk level one grandmother said ...!
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 25 July 2017 11: 20
              +6
              Yes, a comparison of the Su-35 with the Fu-35 is equivalent to comparing inert gases with crushed brick. These are different planes. But if there is such an "authoritative" publication as NI took up the tug, then let him compare the number of news about the problems and accidents of the Su-35 and Fu-35. The comparison is clearly not in favor of the mattress wunderwaffle. I will tactfully keep silent about the difference in cost and development costs.
              1. eklmn
                eklmn 25 July 2017 19: 37
                +3
                If they start to write about the problems of the SU-35, then, firstly, it is a state secret, and secondly, who will buy it, with problems.
              2. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 28 July 2017 10: 19
                +2
                No one will choose planes - analogues for the confrontation. Moreover, the enemy will always try to use a technique that has an advantage over yours. Therefore, it makes sense to compare. Another thing is that stealth is not an invisible hat and does not make an airplane invisible, especially from all angles. It is worth turning to the enemy radar sideways, laying a small roll - and you can already see not from 30, but from 230 km. At the same time, any inclusion of the RES unmasks the aircraft. So the question is, can the stealth be able to go against Sushka in battle in the radio silence mode, without maneuvers, while “watering the enemy” with long-range missiles and remaining invisible? And how long will he live after they discover him? There is no super-agility, mediocre speed, small ammunition ...
            2. Pulya
              Pulya 25 July 2017 14: 40
              +10
              Diana with your permission, I will fit your conversation love

              I can’t pretend to say how dangerous it is to our Drying, but something tells me that its capabilities are greatly exaggerated mattresses.


              I want to give one example. How the T 34 is praised / praised and how the Tigers and Panthers are downplayed.
              My grandfather was a tanker. I went through the whole war on T34
              In those days, when the trees were very large, and I was very young (snotty little boy) laughing , with great interest, listened to the stories of my grandfather about the Second World War.
              In the battle for the gentlemen. high, the Tigers occupied an excellent strategic lodging, were dug in the tower and shot the attackers with famously.
              My grandfather, walking along a hollow, further along the bank of a river, went behind enemy lines.
              And a picture appeared before him: 4 tanks, dug onto the floor of the hull, looked with their stern to the rapidly attacking T 34 laughing
              Since the Tigers had a minus - the tower was slowly turning ... managed to burn 2 Tigers and "dismantled" the remaining 2 tanks.
              For this raid, my grandfather was awarded Order of the RED STAR
              And the order’s data at that time, just didn’t “sound out”.
              But for the truth, the Tigers burned our T 34 very much and that the most offensive is quite easy, that can’t say the opposite about the T-34 in relation to the Tiger. Only the courage and ingenuity / resourcefulness of our tankers gave a chance to destroy the Tigers.

              Why am I ... To the fact that you do not need to rely on all sorts of "patriotic" media articles.
              Penguin is a rather dangerous adversary, although not without cons, but even so he enemy !!!!
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 25 July 2017 16: 55
                +16
                Grandfather - unfading glory!
                However. The T-34 was intended to support infantry, and not to fight tanks. For the latter, HF and IS were produced. Another thing is that circumstances sometimes do not correspond to the BUSW, and here everything depends on the tactical skill of the commander, the skill of the crew and the reliability of the equipment. But this is at risk and peril, as they say.
                1. Just me
                  Just me 25 July 2017 19: 32
                  +2
                  Doliva63
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  However. The T-34 was intended to support infantry, and not to fight tanks.

                  That is, a tank with a gun of caliber 76 and then 85mm was intended to support infantry? You are burning
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 26 July 2017 20: 54
                    +14
                    I didn’t want to answer your stupidity, but out of boredom I will ask a counter question - to support the infantry, i.e. Is it better to fight enemy firing points located, for example, in bunkers, with a 37 mm cannon? And the calculation of the guns will cover shards steeper than 37 or 85? Yes, 34 was used universally, but was rather weak for this. As I understand it, you did not finish VU, especially tank, your knowledge from the Internet. Read the BUS of the Red Army / SA and you will look smart drinks
                    1. Just me
                      Just me 27 July 2017 07: 14
                      0
                      Doliva63
                      The charters are good, of course, but as soon as the war begins, everything does not go completely or completely not as it is written in them. But if strictly by letter, then probably you're right.
                      It’s interesting how many crews near Prokhorovka and in other places didn’t go into battle guided by the BUSW? Yes, and the command right up to the marshals, too, apparently didn’t know him.
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 27 July 2017 16: 31
                        +9
                        You are inattentive, I repeat - "It’s another matter that circumstances sometimes do not correspond to the BUSW, and here everything depends on the tactical skill of the commander, the skill of the crew and the reliability of the equipment. But this is at your own peril and risk, as they say."
              2. Just me
                Just me 25 July 2017 19: 41
                +3
                Pulya
                Quote: Pulya
                about for the truth, the Tigers burned our T 34 very much and that the most offensive is quite easy, that can’t say the opposite about the T-34 in relation to the Tiger. Only the courage and ingenuity / resourcefulness of our tankers gave a chance to destroy the Tigers.

                And besides, hatred and a desire to survive
                Quote: Pulya
                Penguin is a rather dangerous opponent, although not without its minuses, but even so he is an opponent !!!!

                RIGHT!!!
                1. Dyagilev
                  Dyagilev 27 July 2017 09: 08
                  +2
                  "And besides hatred and a desire to survive"
                  That is, according to your fascist, because of love for us, he also destroyed us? This is called hate. Hatred, incl. - The main motive in a civil war, when a brother goes to his brother.
                  And we, out of a desire to survive, went into a bayonet attack on a machine gun, biting a tape from a visor? Of course, the instinct of self-preservation, which you called the “desire to survive,” is absent only from the stubborn and crazy. But instinct, like fanaticism, should not be confused with courage. They have completely different components. And it is found, courage, less and less.
                  1. Just me
                    Just me 27 July 2017 09: 29
                    0
                    Dyagilev
                    Quote: Dyagilev
                    .e., according to your fascist, because of love for us, he also destroyed us?

                    I didn’t write this and didn’t even think. You decided so
                    Quote: Dyagilev
                    And we, out of a desire to survive, went into a bayonet attack on a machine gun, biting a tape from a visor?

                    Well, yes, all machine gunners were pierced with bayonets
                    Quote: Dyagilev
                    Hatred is the main motive in the civil war.

                    That is, the Nazis were killed with a feeling of love for them. The war is not civil. Well, this is guided by your logic.
                    But seriously, I understand perfectly what you want to say
          2. Pulya
            Pulya 25 July 2017 13: 57
            +1
            Having reached the comparison of the Su-35 with the F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale stopped reading. Penguin Advertising Again

            Did not read carefully bully
            Comparison of the 4th generation Su-35 with the F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale
            But the penguin was compared at the end of the article. No need to distort the facts
            drinks
          3. tchoni
            tchoni 25 July 2017 14: 59
            +3
            Guys, you do not forget, please, that at present the properties of a fighter are determined not only and not so much by a glider and engines as by an onboard electronics complex. And all of the aforementioned fi15, eurofighter and other fi18 and rafals regularly undergo modernization. and most of them are really not much inferior to the su-35.
          4. turcom
            turcom 25 July 2017 15: 18
            +3
            In-in. In the same place, I also stopped reading. This NI on VO cannot be reprinted. Allergy already.
        2. Fei_Wong
          Fei_Wong 25 July 2017 12: 51
          +6
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Correct me if I am mistaken, but in my opinion, the Su-27 was not inferior to all the aircraft listed, moreover, it surpassed them. Su-35 is not even a deep modernization of the Su-27, it is a new aircraft with an old glider.

          Well, I’ll fix it. The modern F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale are not the same aircraft that the Su-27 once competed with. These are also their upgrades, and deep ones - for example, the F-15E generally has a glider redesigned by ~ 60% compared to the F-15D. Likewise radically updated avionics. And the F-15C was generally the first production aircraft in the world to which AFAR was delivered. So it’s not so simple. The old Su-27 will definitely give way to the much more modern F-15E (which, I repeat, is also almost a completely new machine, in comparison with the F-15A or F-15C). In general, there are plans for its further development - the so-called F-15U and F-15U +.
          http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f15ef.html
        3. Pulya
          Pulya 25 July 2017 13: 53
          +1
          Su-35 is not even a deep modernization of the Su-27, it is a new aircraft with an old glider. So this article is another PR campaign called "buy our Fu-35 the most-most aircraft in the world"

          Rafale, as it were, isn’t old either ... radar, electronics + weapons are pretty sour laughing
          If you soberly and objectively evaluate the Rafale and Su-35 - parity. One has its own + and - the other has the same, subject to an equal class of pilots.
    2. seti
      seti 25 July 2017 10: 53
      +9
      What staff members are right is that Su-35 unfortunately is not much.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 July 2017 12: 36
      +7
      And in general there are not 48, but 64.
      Khabarovsk Territory (Dzemgi), 23 IAP - 36 units
      Primorsky Territory (Central Corner), 22 IAP - 12 units
      Republic of Karelia (Besovets), 159 Guards IAP - 12 units
      Syria (Khmeimim) - 4 units
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 25 July 2017 17: 07
        +14
        Horseradish with him, with the total, although ridiculous, of course. Surprising manning of the regiments. In other times, a regiment is 45-47 vehicles. In general, the last one was N52, but there was no N13, i.e. 51 cars. And 12 units do not even reach the squadron.
        It seems that these regiments are not for war (Syria does not count), but for reporting, because so much in the sky of the Russian Federation does not provide anything but air parades.
        1. Fei_Wong
          Fei_Wong 25 July 2017 17: 25
          +13
          Quote: Doliva63
          It seems that these regiments are not for war (Syria does not count), but for reporting, because so much in the sky of the Russian Federation does not provide anything but air parades.

          It seems to me that you are a complete ignoramus in the doctrine of the use of the forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces and make a judgment based on Western doctrines (and they really consider aviation as the main shock and offensive force - that’s why their combat aircraft fleet is corresponding). Our focus is on the defense and close interaction of the air forces with ground missile defense and air defense forces - the latter are precisely the main argument against enemy aircraft. This is our "asymmetric response." Missiles (especially ground-based systems) are orders of magnitude cheaper than literally the "golden" modern combat aircraft.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 25 July 2017 17: 41
            +5
            Plus, I’ll add that we have mixed regiments and divisions, in which, for example, there can be three fighter squadrons, one front-line bombers and one assault.
            1. Fei_Wong
              Fei_Wong 25 July 2017 17: 54
              +7
              Thank you It is always nice to meet a person who is versed in materiel. And to you from me with a tail.
              Although of course, no one cancels the fact that not only the share, but also the total amount of modern technology needs to be increased. But even in the current straitened circumstances, our troops can defend the country without plunging it into the abyss of a global race of expensive (and dubious) weapons. Like, for example, the F-35 and Zumvalt projects.
              PS I will add another cheap, but very effective “defense line” - our electronic warfare systems. And it is not for nothing that Russia is still a world leader in them.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 26 July 2017 20: 58
              +7
              Do you imagine a planned flight schedule for such a regiment? About the Air Force, it seems that you have an idea from VO laughing
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 26 July 2017 21: 15
            +8
            Have you read this in the media? And I served it in the Air Force. Which of us is a layman? lol
        2. Lucy
          Lucy 29 July 2017 23: 26
          +1
          ...... [i] At other times, the regiment is 45-47 vehicles.[/B]
          Doliva63
          is the number of tanks in other times? wink
  2. vch
    vch 25 July 2017 10: 23
    +8
    Fortune telling again. Maybe if, most likely ...... In general, no specifics. Only a real battle will show .....
  3. bondxnumx
    bondxnumx 25 July 2017 10: 29
    +6
    It is a pity that so little, it is necessary not at 10 but at 30 per year as a minimum!
    1. rafaelich
      rafaelich 25 July 2017 11: 22
      +1
      10 a year - infa does not correspond to reality ...;))))
  4. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 July 2017 10: 35
    +1
    F-22 has already conducted training fights with Efrofayter and Gripen.
    1. venik
      venik 25 July 2017 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: Kostadinov
      F-22 has already conducted training fights with Efrofayter and Gripen.

      ============
      Well yes!! With these they can !!! But with the Su-35 weak ???
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 25 July 2017 12: 15
        +9
        Quote: venik
        F-22 has already conducted training fights with Efrofayter and Gripen.

        Quote: venik
        Well yes!! With these they can !!! But with the Su-35 weak ???

        I remember the video was how the Frenchman on Rafale held the F-22 in sight on the windshield ... And you are talking about our super-maneuverable Su-35!
        Yes, about stealth.
        1. A nonequilibrium plasma generator will make our SU-35 an inconspicuous fly at a distance of 100m.
        2. Penguin and Raptor flew in fine weather. And what will happen with drizzle or rain?
        3. From space, all the birds have a very good signature ...
        So, not about that the gentlemen are baking ... more modest they need to be, blowing bubbles with a hole!
        IMHO.
        1. Velizariy
          Velizariy 25 July 2017 14: 01
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So, not about that the gentlemen are baking ...

          Yes, yes ... They don’t think at all and don’t understand at all in aircraft manufacturing))) Not that we have already hung up a nonequilibrium plasma generator and decided everything, well, or they will solve it))) What is it about these Lockheedmartin and Boeing? People could not do anything worthwhile)
        2. Fei_Wong
          Fei_Wong 25 July 2017 18: 28
          +4
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          1. A nonequilibrium plasma generator will make our SU-35 an inconspicuous fly at a distance of 100m.

          So far - fantastic. Before practical implementation still puff and puff. And I suspect, not one dozen years. Although the direction is promising and the topic is developing.
          Quote: BoA KAA
          2. Penguin and Raptor flew in fine weather. And what will happen with drizzle or rain?

          Logistics and the operational cost of an hour of flight will just become more complicated (expensive paint-coating will have to be delivered more often). For the modern Great War, this is again immaterial. If it does not drag out for a long time, which is unlikely in the current realities.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          3. From space, all the birds have a very good signature ...

          First thing in global Machache will be the failure of the enemy's satellite network (because too many types of weapons are tied to it). And to do this is very easy (no one canceled the laws of physics). So - also not an argument.
  5. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 25 July 2017 10: 45
    +17
    Maneuverability gives significant advantages of the Su-35 at ultra-short distances. At the same time, the entry into service of the latest missiles will lead to a sharp increase in the battle distance, which eliminates this superiority.

    The mantras of aircraft warfare theorists about the withering away of close air combat due to the increased range of air-to-air missiles do not change from generation to generation.
    And then the pilots after the first real battles tearfully ask to install guns on the plane. smile
  6. Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 July 2017 10: 48
    +3
    The battle is pilots and not cars. Remember the Second World War, on which the asses of both sides felled a bunch of enemies using the advantages of their equipment and piloting. Therefore, these comparisons remind me of praise in small letters
  7. shinobi
    shinobi 25 July 2017 10: 49
    +11
    Well, we already went through this in Vietnam. We also sang songs about rockets and from afar.
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 25 July 2017 11: 27
      +3
      It is also necessary to distribute sabers to the pilots, so that in the event of the shooting of the whole BK there was something to punish the adversary!
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 25 July 2017 11: 50
        +1
        Yeah, and also come up with a hand brake, what would it be to slow down behind a cloud and from an ambush and a saber on the tail! ... smile
  8. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 25 July 2017 10: 53
    +4
    So the article is in my opinion as old ...... mammoth
  9. Prjanik
    Prjanik 25 July 2017 11: 02
    +2
    This is handsome good Where there
    [/ quote] F-15 Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafale. [quote]

    And why are so mattresses with stealth excited, ours will fly in a continuous cloud of interference, and who the hell will see him for the time being.
  10. HAM
    HAM 25 July 2017 11: 04
    +3
    To rely solely on "invisibility" in my opinion is simply stupid.
    Hit and in the bushes - so only robbers argue. Well, there is no such thing, the answer will be anyway. Here it turns out, is it really that you are invisible.
    Penguins do not fly, they hide ..
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 25 July 2017 14: 47
      +4
      Hit in the bushes - so only robbers argue.

      And the United States is the robbers !!!
  11. universe1
    universe1 25 July 2017 11: 05
    +6
    ... Su-35 fails to detect the F-35 over a long distance. In this regard, the American fighter will be able to water the enemy with rockets ...
    I’m wondering, how can the F-35 detect without a third-party target designation of the Su-35 at a great distance, is it possible with the help of its onboard radar? But he will give out the radiation location of the attacking aircraft, then what is the point of launching from a long distance?
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 25 July 2017 11: 48
      +2
      Without AWACS guidance, cover by Growlers and a network centric, all stealth instantly disappears and the "long arm" turns into a near dogfight, where the F-35 is blown away even by old F-16s. F-22 honestly dogfayte a more serious opponent, IMHO.
      We shouldn’t forget about our own AWACS to detect penguins creeping without radar on the background of the land, and it makes sense to launch a smart flock of RVV-DB or something hypersonic and very fast at enemy drills that can bring out long-range guidance and an REB umbrella from the game.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 July 2017 12: 01
      +1
      One plane detects targets, and several shoot
      others, without translating radars into active search.
      They are connected in a common network. AWACS are not needed.
      1. Velizariy
        Velizariy 25 July 2017 14: 15
        +3
        That's why they broke it all ?! What does a Jew mean)) they also think that the F 35 will come out and will be face to face in a maneuvering battle with the Su 35, which, by the way, is three times less than the F 35.
      2. Pulya
        Pulya 25 July 2017 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        One plane detects targets, and several shoot
        others, without translating radars into active search.
        They are connected in a common network. AWACS are not needed.


        And what’s stopping this "one plane"immediately how does it light up when on. its radar ???
        I think that a penguin pilot is not a kamikaze ??? Knowing that when you turn on your radar, it is a consumable laughing
        How do you like such a squiggle wassat ??
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 July 2017 15: 44
          +1
          A plane aiming at a target does not fly ahead of its own
          "stealth" colleagues who shoot, and behind.
          And the BB missiles are not aimed at the enemy’s radar (this is just
          approximate indication "there is something"), but on the "radio circuit" of the aircraft
          - his EPR. And it is very low in the F-35 (its radar is turned on independently or not).
          The Su-35 can, of course, launch the R-37 long-range missile “for good luck” (suddenly
          hooks someone), but given that there are only two of them, and they are very expensive, it is unlikely
          will do it. Such a missile can bring down AWACS or a strategist with a very large
          EPR, but not stealth.
          1. Pulya
            Pulya 25 July 2017 15: 52
            +1
            A plane aiming at a target does not fly ahead of its own
            "stealth" colleagues who shoot, and behind.

            And back - how much in km. ???

            And further.
            So F35 flies a group + support AWACS. And all hidden such wassat
            And our unfortunate Su 35 is alone ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 July 2017 16: 01
              +1
              The F-35 group does not need AWACS. This is their difference from 4th generation aircraft.
              They don’t need the F-18 Growlers,
              with the F-35, the electronic warfare director is integrated in the radar. Although he is not like that
              as powerful as a hanging container.
              1. Pulya
                Pulya 25 July 2017 16: 07
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                The F-35 group does not need AWACS. This is their difference from 4th generation aircraft.
                They don’t need the F-18 Growlers,
                with the F-35, the electronic warfare director is integrated in the radar. Although he is not like that
                as powerful as a hanging container.


                Then stay to hope for a bunch of Su 35 and air defense.
    3. iConst
      iConst 25 July 2017 12: 22
      +1
      Quote: universe1
      I’m wondering, how can the F-35 detect without a third-party target designation of the Su-35 at a great distance, is it possible with the help of its onboard radar?

      AN / APG-77 installed on the F-22 has an LPI mode in which it is almost impossible to determine the radiation source. On the F-35 LII, the APG-81 is installed. There is little information about her, but it is indicated that she inherited most of the functions of her predecessor.

      Our stations are silent about this mode. Either there is nothing to say, whether they are skerking ...
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 July 2017 12: 28
      +4
      Quote: universe1
      ... Su-35 fails to detect the F-35 over a long distance. In this regard, the American fighter will be able to water the enemy with rockets ...

      * Watering * will not work: after the first launch, he will find himself and receive our RVV-DB in response. Then they will come to the detection distance of the OLS. But the Raptor doesn’t have it yet ... Well, in the dog dump, I don’t think that the reptiloid will have an advantage. Similarly with the Penguin.
      But the enemy is serious, and will not act alone. Most likely the ambush method ...
      Here the vaunted EW will come in handy for us, moreover, to the full!
    5. Just me
      Just me 25 July 2017 19: 54
      0
      universe1
      Quote: universe1
      I’m wondering, how can the F-35 detect without a third-party target designation of the Su-35 at a great distance, is it possible with the help of its onboard radar? But he will give out the radiation location of the attacking aircraft, then what is the point of launching from a long distance?

      Here are the “Invisible” planes, blind and deaf, while flying in the stealth mode. Any inclusion of on-board electronic systems will “fire” them, and put them on their small EPR
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 26 July 2017 04: 06
        +1
        With external target designation, for example, from a UAV, this is not important. The projection angle and frequency selectivity are more important here. At 35 these problems have been seriously resolved.
  12. pavelty
    pavelty 25 July 2017 11: 48
    0
    The article was somehow crookedly translated ... "Distance of Action", etc., but in fact you can draw conclusions who are stronger / cooler only in real air combat, and all this is wise sobs
  13. VRV In
    VRV In 25 July 2017 11: 48
    +4
    Maneuverability provides significant advantages Su-35 at ultra-short distances. In this case, the entry into service of the newest missiles will lead to a sharp increase in the distance of the battlefield, which levels this superiority. In this case, the Su-35 will have to rely on the high speed, which distinguishes it favorably, and the means of electronic warfare.
    As believed in the US Air Force, the Su-35 will not be able to detect the F-35 at long range. In this regard, the American fighter will be able to water the enemy with missiles until it enters the enemy's infrared scanning zone.

    The concept of 50-60 years, when the aircraft were equipped only with missiles. And it turned out that by shooting the missiles the target was not hit. So now, they do not take into account that over-maneuverability, together with missile defense systems, significantly increase the likelihood of avoiding a missile. As a result, f-22 and 35 having fired the ammunition had to quickly roll up.
    1. mahoney
      mahoney 25 July 2017 13: 08
      0
      Quote: VRV At
      Maneuverability provides significant advantages Su-35 at ultra-short distances. In this case, the entry into service of the newest missiles will lead to a sharp increase in the distance of the battlefield, which levels this superiority. In this case, the Su-35 will have to rely on the high speed, which distinguishes it favorably, and the means of electronic warfare.
      As believed in the US Air Force, the Su-35 will not be able to detect the F-35 at long range. In this regard, the American fighter will be able to water the enemy with missiles until it enters the enemy's infrared scanning zone.

      The concept of 50-60 years, when the aircraft were equipped only with missiles. And it turned out that by shooting the missiles the target was not hit. So now, they do not take into account that over-maneuverability, together with missile defense systems, significantly increase the likelihood of avoiding a missile. As a result, f-22 and 35 having fired the ammunition had to quickly roll up.

      You mixed everything up, over-maneuverability allowed you to dodge missiles, but now this makes it easier to hit the target, because for "freaks" in the sky, the speed should beat lower than the sound
  14. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 July 2017 11: 54
    +3
    Quote: venik
    Quote: Kostadinov
    F-22 has already conducted training fights with Efrofayter and Gripen.

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    Well yes!! With these they can !!! But with the Su-35 weak ???

    The information that leaked about these fights as with Efrofayter the F-22 did little.
  15. sauvage
    sauvage 25 July 2017 12: 46
    0
    Zadolbali already with comparisons. Are they at NI that in each new issue they compare the su-35 with f22 and f35?
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 25 July 2017 13: 06
    0
    Here, I do not like hats on both sides.
    significant advantages of the Su-35 at ultra-short distances

    At this distance still need to go. Any person armed with a simple ax will bring that F-35, that Su-35 to a non-recoverable state.
    In any case, do not bring Gd to meet these cars on the narrow path. It will not lead to anything good.
  17. arhPavel
    arhPavel 25 July 2017 14: 32
    +2
    No matter how good the plane, in a 1 on 1 battle, but in a 1 on 5 battle it will be merged. Therefore, you need to accumulate strength, this is of course without options and this is the only undeniable conclusion of this article.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 July 2017 15: 30
    +1
    And how will the situation change when replacing the radar on the Su-35 with AFAR. I think this will happen very soon. At the beginning of the production of equipment for the T-50, it is foolish to produce Su-35 (and they will be produced in parallel) with old systems ...
  19. Belyash
    Belyash 25 July 2017 17: 28
    0
    And how much is the SU-35, more expensive than the F-35?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 25 July 2017 19: 50
      0
      3 times cheaper.
  20. Roman 11
    Roman 11 25 July 2017 18: 55
    +3
    An article from the Middle Ages about knightly fights.

    In a nuclear-free war, everything will be different ..... here and sabotage at GRU air bases and even wandering partisans-operators with antediluvian MANPADS wassat . No one has canceled the main thing - the ground situation, the leading infantry, the aviation led ..... it will depend on this and the air defense of the district - it seems so winked
  21. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 25 July 2017 22: 08
    +1
    I wonder, HOW are the "invisible" going to launch rockets on the plane without target designation? The notorious E3 will be destroyed in the first place, and any inclusion of the radar brings all the advantages of invisibility to nothing.
  22. steam
    steam 26 July 2017 02: 24
    +2
    Still, there are rare sheep who do not want to understand the realities! Even the old MiG-29 with an ancient radar sees sky stealth even against the background of the earth. In the meter range, these stealths are generally visible at the limit of the radar. And finally, the new full-time Dryers are equipped with an electronic warfare system, which simply blinds enemy radars and guidance systems. And what can the slow and slow F-35s do? "Fire with water" ??? Go stupid s! Your position is the position of an ostrich, with its head in the sand and confident in its invisibility, and the one who provided the ass for general use
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 26 July 2017 03: 54
      +2
      Mig 29? A strange comparison. So it is not the fact of detection that matters, but the stability and accuracy of zu. And who checked the effectiveness of the reb. Under the present conditions, the 3 eighth superiority of stealth over the dryers of the last modif in number leads to the fact that every sou will take on 12 rockets of centuries. Are you sure that the effectiveness of maneuvers of evasion + reb is higher than 90 percent?
      1. steam
        steam 11 August 2017 23: 51
        0
        Yes I am sure. "The 3-fold superiority of stealth over dryers" is complete nonsense invented by the gentlemen of the military iksperdy so as not to disturb their public opinion. In fact, electronic warfare systems installed on generation 4 ++ aircraft, such as the Su-34, Su-30, Su-35 and MiG-35, not only negate any advantage of the F-22 and F-35 in long-range combat conditions, but make these aircraft simply defenseless at medium and, especially, close range
  23. Solvedor
    Solvedor 26 July 2017 09: 22
    0
    and here you are not too lazy to chew all this? .. wassat
  24. Roman 11
    Roman 11 26 July 2017 13: 49
    +1
    When will we be equal in invisibility? The T-50 glider is praised, the radar is still sharpening, and the cape is not advertised at all. The term of transfer of 5s is postponed. Perhaps just because of the new products that are just about ?, and not just because of the engines and radar.

    It seems there for a long time and this is correct, because the "undercooked" plane eats a lot of denyuzhek, but we still need cheaper in the series. Although if everything goes as it should, we won’t serve for a long time - it will be exported.
  25. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 26 July 2017 14: 05
    0
    I was also compared with Rafaly, Eurofighter and another F-15.
  26. Thrombus
    Thrombus 26 July 2017 18: 00
    +1
    I’ll tell you one clever thing, you just don’t be offended) - there’s nowhere for them to land, the airbases will be destroyed in the first place, and units will be able to take off, I think)
  27. Analyst
    Analyst 26 July 2017 23: 51
    +1
    1. I think the real battle between the Su-35 and F-35 will be seen by a few of the survivors.
    2. If I understand correctly the principle of operation of electronic warfare equipment that can be installed on any maize, of course they do not turn the same maize into invisibility, but at least the early warning devices make noise by showing a spot of several kilometers on the radar, or a swarm of thousands of maize ", which greatly complicates the choice of targets due to the horizon, and increasing the chances of reaching close combat.
  28. Just me
    Just me 28 July 2017 18: 51
    0
    Doliva63,
    I am attentive
    “It’s another matter that circumstances sometimes do not correspond to BUSW, and here everything depends on the tactical skill of the commander, the skill of the crew and the reliability of the equipment. But this is at the risk and peril, as they say.”

    I think (I'm sure) that the tactics of using the T-34 (and many other types of weapons) did not sometimes and almost always did not comply with the rules of the charters And this was not done at the fear and risk of the crews, but an order was issued And people did it Once again I repeat: You are right in the letter of the law And let's stop it. I heard you, hear me
  29. bratuha
    bratuha 28 July 2017 19: 50
    0
    While there have been no direct clashes, to argue on this topic that pour water from empty to empty. F-35? Don’t tell me at all, we don’t fly into the fog, we don’t know how to rain, the helmet doesn’t see at night! Generation 5 ... la! 22nd yes, this is a time-honed machine, I don’t see any more competitors! And what is generation 5? America has its own standards, we have our own.
  30. EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 July 2017 14: 41
    0
    They think that in ranged combat it is not necessary to maneuver. Nude Nude.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 31 July 2017 16: 55
      0
      Why, if you can rockets to water laughing
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  32. jurijsv
    jurijsv 31 July 2017 16: 03
    0
    As for projection and stealth. And that planes always come together head-on? With lateral projection, the reflection area is already different. And if they are at different heights, and this is normal, then the belly can be seen? So what is the reflection area? Tsk that this stealth is very arbitrary. And the weather will make a well-trained melee pilot
  33. Aqela
    Aqela 31 July 2017 16: 52
    0
    The operating distance is 3,5 thousand km without additional tanks and 4,5 thousand km with two hanging tanks.

    What is that? Ferry range or combat radius? Something I do not recall in TTX such a thing as range of action... request Obviously zhurnalizdsky pearl... recourse
  34. Aqela
    Aqela 31 July 2017 16: 53
    0
    Another pearl:
    water the enemy with missiles until he enters the infrared scanning zone of the enemy.
    laughing It’s not just a plane, but a dog near a lamppost ... laughing