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Who needs the myth that “Nazism and communism are almost the same”

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Who needs the myth that “Nazism and communism are almost the same”The reason for the longevity of the myth of the "identity of Nazism and communism" - one, perhaps, of the most enduring delusions of the mass consciousness - is that so many people are interested in it.
First of all, it is an obligatory “theoretical base” of the notorious “review of the results of the Second World War”.


The “revision”, also referred to as “falsification,” is just an instrument for solving applied political problems, realizing quite specific current and strategic interests of large world players.

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In addition, in the myth are interested, firstly, those who at one time diligently cultivated Nazism as a means against communism. After 1945, when the bestial nature and inconsistency of Nazism were convincingly proved, the ideological descendants of those who formed and supported it at one time, naturally, will try to get rid of the accusations by referring to the fact that, say, those whom we supported Nazism, no better than the Nazis themselves.

Secondly, all those who are now against communism are naturally interested in this myth, and they want to link communism with deliberately disgusting Nazism precisely in order to be able to blame communism for the crimes of which Nazism is guilty. stories Joseph Stalin and Lawrence Beria are accused of precisely those massive crimes with which they were very actively fighting. (Although, of course, Stalin is responsible for them - but precisely as the head of state, who by definition is responsible for everything that happens in this state; in this case, we are talking about the accuracy of the wording).

Finally, the myth of the unity of Nazism with communism benefits the totalitarian sect "liberals", which motivates its absolute rejection of any form of collective activity and its absolute rejection of any other points of view, except for its own, references to the fact that other points of view are obviously totalitarian, and therefore do not deserve consideration at all.

Although, as extensive historical experience has shown, totalitarianism by itself cannot be either good or bad - I had once published an article in “Izvestia” about it, “Totalitarianism is a struggle”.

Totalitarianism is only a way to concentrate all the efforts of society on one goal, and not totalitarianism as a means, but the goal for which it is used, can be good or bad.

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Well, in essence, this myth is absolutely erroneous if only because the Nazis discriminate against people on the basis of some signs that people cannot change in principle: a person cannot change his race - and after all, the ideology of Nazism is based on it .

Whereas communism, on the contrary, believes that every person can change in all of their socially significant characteristics, and, roughly speaking, a landowner or capitalist may well become a nonmembershipist and non-capitalist — indeed, many prominent figures of the communist movement come from families whose social position is very far from the poor, and they nevertheless went to the revolution.

And now this distinction is quite enough to see a clear discrepancy between Nazism and communism.

But perhaps more importantly, Nazism fundamentally cannot achieve the good for all - precisely because it considers people to be unequal from the start, and it is seeking good for some at the expense of others. Whereas communism sets as its ultimate goal an equal good and equal happiness for all without exception.

And this is also quite enough in order not to put an equal sign between them.

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Thus, the subject of discussion and study may be the consistency or inconsistency of communism as a scientific theory. The subject of discussion and study may be the Soviet experience of the practical implementation of this doctrine in the state construction of the twentieth century ... But "the identity of Nazism and communism" cannot be any subject.
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 20 July 2017 05: 58
    +9
    These words, yes to God’s ears ...
    Unfortunately, this is a real way to talk and discuss the problem of the appearance of Giler in power and the restoration of Germany militarily and economically.
    Chamberlain's words: "I brought you peace," run through the whole WWII period as a red thread.
    And naturally, arsonists want to make others, but not themselves, guilty.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 20 July 2017 06: 54
      +9
      Honestly and dignified to explain how Hitler was brought to power and then helped him put together an army and fight, in the modern West they can’t. They can’t accept the fact that their ancestors turned their neck, but they want to justify themselves, from here ideas arise about * totalitarianism * and * Stalinism *.
    2. Finches
      Finches 20 July 2017 07: 34
      +15
      "Learning, studying and studying!" It is the lack of realization of this Leninist postulate among the masses that allows, first of all, the enemies of Russia, to impose such a crazy idea about the similarity of communism and Nazism! However, even here in VO the fanatical communists, most often themselves do not fully understand the essence of communism and do not even know that, for example, Marxism and communism are different from each other. ... So the bulk of the people are not concerned with the intricacies of the distinction between communism, Marxism, socialism, Nazism, capitalism ... etc., but with survival, it’s easy and simple to manage them to those who are interested in it, but a comparison of communism and Nazism, beneficial not only, apparently, to the pure enemies of Russia, but also sounds a little paradoxical to the powers that be, the nouveau riche and even the small private entrepreneurs of the current system, although they will certainly never talk about it openly! The proletariat is on the other side, but a paradoxical thing also turns out here: most of the current Communists, for example, come from the nomenclature and creative intelligentsia, who absolutely do not understand the life of a simple hard worker, therefore, a simple peasant does not care about slogans, since they are interested in more pragmatic things in of life, than knowing the law of production of surplus value ... As for Nazism, it’s easier here - against the background of their atrocities, the opponents of the Communists, it’s very easy to scare people away from leftist ideas by comparison! By the way, all liberals do just that, more often secretly or openly cursing communism, a priori hinting at its similarity to Nazism, which has no basis at all, but nobody cares! When you tell these comrades, such as Chubais, that in 1954 the Negroes they loved were not allowed to ride in the same carriages as whites, which is nothing more than a manifestation of Nazism, they begin to spit saliva, like males during the mating season ... By the way, In fairness, I must say that the left in the West are very different from the ideas of the left in Russia, they are closer to pure Marxism there, but the majority do not care ...

      Some kind of confusedly illogical comment I got - I wanted to say, hell knows ... laughing
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 20 July 2017 07: 53
        +11
        Quote: Finches
        they are closer to pure Marxism there

        Yes, you have said a lot, and you won’t understand. Marx was a Satanist and Russophobe, I won’t quote him. Here is all pure Marxism.
        If according to the article, then Nazism and communism are two complete opposites, the article correctly says. Any fascist power arises from hatred of communism, in Ukraine it is clearly shown, it is not necessary to go far for examples.
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          1. atos_kin
            atos_kin 20 July 2017 08: 23
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            Here is another utopian argument ... laughing

            This is not an argument, but a repetition of Western highs and an example of the absence of logical thinking.
        2. MrK
          MrK 20 July 2017 13: 08
          +8
          Quote: bober1982
          Marx was a Satanist and Russophobe


          There is no greater Satanist and Russophobe than bober1982 on the site. That he had Stalin shot all the children of street children. That disabled WWII drowned, and all.
          You are told about Thomas, and you are about Erem. Yes, stupidly anti-Soviet.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 20 July 2017 13: 19
            +1
            You wouldn’t have pictures, boss, you should write booksend of quote.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 July 2017 08: 53
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        Studying, studying and studying! "It is the lack of realization of this Leninist postulate among the masses that allows, first of all, the enemies of Russia, to impose such a crazy idea about the similarity of communism and Nazism

        It sounded a little different: "Learn, study and study" hi
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 July 2017 08: 56
          +2
          Absolutely agree! Dull from the abundance of chaotic thoughts in the head and inborn inattention ... laughing Thank you! hi
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 20 July 2017 09: 07
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        Some kind of confusedly illogical comment I got - I wanted to say, hell knows ...

        ...and I liked it! The main thing is the topic! ...

        https://www.planet-kob.ru/articles/6116
        1. bulldog
          bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 02
          +7
          The tablet is sucked out of the finger. Tengrism generally complete tin, what does the Turkic religion?
          Once again I will tell for people who do not have critical thinking: in prehistoric times, it was noted that collective labor is more productive than individual. Collective labor gives a result expressed in tangible products, services, or, say, in money. The question is who gets this money. If the dictatorship of the working people, then they decide who receives the money, i.e. let's say they will be divided equally. Under capitalism, the dictatorship of capital - the capitalist appropriates the result.
          There will never be balance and harmony. Under communism, those who want an elite status for themselves will break off.
      4. bulldog
        bulldog 20 July 2017 10: 54
        +2
        Many words, few in the case. Any “ism” presupposes a dictatorship that occurs after the watershed (decisive exclusion, if according to Lenin). Marxism, communism, socialism - related concepts, offer the dictatorship of the working people, the divide between the working people and those who are not working receives a margin from the labor of others. Nazism - the dictatorship of a separate nation, a watershed on a national basis.
        Forgotten citizens see the AUTHENTIC lyrics of the song "Red Army, Black Baron". The last verse there is as follows:
        "We are fanning the fire of the world,
        Banks and Prisons razed to the ground. "
        Forgot why banks didn’t please the Bolsheviks so much and why did they strangle usurious capital in the USSR?
      5. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 20 July 2017 11: 29
        +2
        No one claims that German fascism and Stalinist communism are the same thing, but there are plenty of similarities in these regimes.
        First of all, this is a totalitarian regime in the form of government, based on fear, state terror and violence. The ideology of the regime was based on declaring the superiority of one artificially selected group of people over all others. The fascists of the Aryan "race" over the rest, the communists of the "class" of the proletariat over the "exploiters". All this was based on pseudoscientific political theories. Both communists and fascists promised a social paradise on earth due to the domination of the “right” group over all the rest (Aryans and the proletariat), established by force through dictatorship. Both of them recruited supporters by the methods of totalitarian sects. Until now, both have many supporters.
        1. bulldog
          bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 39
          +15
          A set of liberal stamps. Now in Russia 5% of the population owns 95% of wealth. There is a class of haves and have-nots. 95 Russians from the FORBES list own capital equal to Russia's 2-year GDP.
          Under Stalin's communism it was the same. Just thrown out of the country, put in jail, repressed 5% of the parasites. Therefore, the results are as follows. The USSR canceled food cards in 1947, England in 1952, France in 1954. At the same time, for the first post-war five-year period - in the USSR, prices for basic goods fell by 10-30%, in the capitalist countries during those years they increased by 150-200%. That’s what it means - it’s not individual people who bought yachts for the results of labor, but the benefits that are distributed to all.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 20 July 2017 14: 17
            0
            A set of liberal stamps.

            A set of stamps can be called anything. Present your evidence and arguments.
            We are not discussing whether it became better to live under Stalin or worse. Under Hitler, the Germans also began to live better, at least until the 1942 of the year: he raised industry, eliminated unemployment, raised the standard of living of the Germans, created a powerful army, increased the area of ​​the country, etc., which in itself does not forgive the activities of the Nazis.
        2. Radikal
          Radikal 6 August 2017 00: 23
          0
          Ostap Bender would answer to your passage: "What is your last name, thinker? Spinoza, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Marcus Aurelius? Well, and hereinafter ....
      6. revnagan
        revnagan 20 July 2017 13: 06
        0
        Quote: Finches
        "Learning, studying and studying!"

        "LEARN, LEARN AND LEARN!" Vladimir Ilyich bequeathed, and you get everything and get an education ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 July 2017 13: 43
          +2
          I corrected myself and apologized above .. However, for any my cant! hi
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 20 July 2017 10: 34
      +11
      Onatole perfectly learned Engels' work: "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and State." From primitive communism to scientific. Anyone familiar with this work understands that there is nothing to argue about, everything is clear as God's day. Humanity was formed and survived only through social work. All this liberal crap is akin to Nazism with one task - to destroy the social basis and divide the people into masters and slaves.
      1. bulldog
        bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 05
        +2
        Engels in his work “The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State” wrote about the origin of the family, private property and the state - patriarchy, matriarchy, inheritance of tools, features of the development of society with all this. It is about the social system and class struggle that there is nothing or almost nothing there. You obviously meant other work.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 July 2017 15: 03
        +2
        liberal crap is akin to Nazism with one task - to destroy the social basis and divide the people into masters and slaves.

        good
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 23 July 2017 13: 49
          +1
          It is enough for ordinary people to compare the level of political freedoms in the Reich and the USSR with the western one. And remember the anti-Western of both regimes in order to equalize them. In this sense, all states opposing themselves to the west are the same.
  2. BecmepH
    BecmepH 20 July 2017 06: 02
    +10
    Who needs the myth that “Nazism and communism are almost the same”
    To the one who with impunity robs the people and our everything ...
    1. bulldog
      bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 27
      +4
      Plus, the one who coined and uses the term "totalitarianism", with the sole purpose of trying to balance fascism and communism.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 July 2017 06: 13
    +7
    Totalitarianism is only a way to concentrate all the efforts of society on one goal, and not totalitarianism as a means, but the goal for which it is used, can be good or bad.
    I do not agree., Baba Yaga against!
    The Western term "Totalitarianism" is imposed on us and forced to use it when describing our history. Like the term is neutral, that's okay. But each term, in addition to meaning, carries an emotional connotation. And if Hitlerism is totalitarianism, then Stalinism has nothing to do with it.
    In 1920 The civil war did not end; it continued until 1930. And then came the "mobilization" - preparing the country for war.
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 20 July 2017 06: 33
    +3
    Totalitarianism is only a way of concentrating all the efforts of society on one goal, and totalitarianism may not be good or bad as means, namely goalfor which he applies.

    That is, if the goal is good, then "the end justifies the means." And this, by the way, is one of the main tenets of ... Nazism. Bravo, comrade Wasserman! good fool
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 20 July 2017 07: 02
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      the end justifies the means ... of the postulates ... of Nazism

      And also ... imperialism.
      And this is the reason why the Russian Empire collapsed.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 20 July 2017 13: 09
      +3
      But is it okay that the USA is actively using this postulate to create a unipolar world? Oh yes, they can be "universal", and the whole world is like savages with clubs to whom the USA carries the light of liberalism and democracy ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 20 July 2017 18: 12
        0
        But curious., Japan in WWII. It is a totalitarian state. And not one dog will ever bark: "You had totalitarianism."
        Or are we something .... or is it not interesting to anyone (US allies, all the same)
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 20 July 2017 21: 24
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      That is, if the goal is good, then "the end justifies the means."

      Not really. I would say this - sometimes there simply are no other means. It is easy to choose between good and bad, but in politics you most often need to choose between bad and bad.
      For example, it’s good or bad, but after the upheaval of coups and GV, it was urgently necessary to restore order and this could only be done with cool measures.
  5. midshipman
    midshipman 20 July 2017 07: 46
    +18
    You just need to compare. What the USSR gave to the world and what fascist Germany gave to the world. This can be added for comparison, which gave the world the United States. Then everyone will see that communism and socialism is happiness for people. I have the honor.
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 20 July 2017 07: 50
    +13
    Communism is like a bone in the throat of exploiters who rob workers by appropriating the results of labor and giving the worker so much that he would not die of hunger and do not want to pay pensions, because a pensioner does not bring income, their will would stifle the elderly as before in the tundra (no matter how much you save). Communism is a guide to a different path of development, to other principles of the organization of society, to the disclosure of the potential of each individual.
  7. Finches
    Finches 20 July 2017 07: 58
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    Yes, you have said a lot, and you won’t understand. Marx was a Satanist and Russophobe, I won’t quote him. Here is all pure Marxism.

    Another utopian argument! laughing
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 20 July 2017 10: 37
      +5
      Utopian, speak?

      And here is the translation of the poem by the authorship of Marx. The theme of Satanism is quite clearly traced.
      https://www.stihi.ru/2012/12/25/5476
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2017 07: 59
    +8
    Yeah ... they try to combine incompatible ... When capital felt threatened, he did not call for communists to power, but fascists ... to deal with the same communists .. There are enough examples in world history ..
  9. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 20 July 2017 08: 48
    +2
    It’s interesting, but Hitler’s personal signature on some kind of execution orders is there or he is responsible as head of state
    1. bulldog
      bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 11
      +9
      It’s interesting, but if Putin would have signed up to the order of the execution of Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, Zakharchenko, Chubais (with confiscation of course) - would you also be outraged? What is the problem that Stalin signed executions? Or WHO SHOWN - not so important?
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 20 July 2017 11: 40
        +1
        I really was outraged. It splashes you
        1. bulldog
          bulldog 20 July 2017 12: 01
          +10
          So I’m not mistaken if I say that, in your opinion, Stalin is a great fellow, that he signed up (took personal responsibility) on the execution of certain characters - apparently he had good reasons? I think the same. The result is by the way known - the USSR defeated the strongest military machine of that time. The war ended in Berlin. After the war, managed to enter the world leaders. This is including the result of executions. The winners are not judged, but Stalin, whatever you say, is the winner. good
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 20 July 2017 12: 22
            +1
            The meaning of your text is that the winner writes history and accents. I can not object.
          2. MrK
            MrK 20 July 2017 13: 16
            +4
            Quote: bulldog
            Stalin is a great fellow, that he signed up (took personal responsibility) on the execution of certain characters - apparently he had good reasons?

            Thank you for the bright and correct comments. I’ll add from myself.
            The reasons for the great terror were most clearly written by Alexander Kurlyandchik in the article "Stalinist repressions of the 30's. Are you sure they are Stalinist?" http://www.proza.ru/2017/06/13/60
            1. bulldog
              bulldog 20 July 2017 13: 51
              +11
              The word "repression" is also imposed. Many were tried, many were shot, and some were imprisoned. I repeat - now 5% of the population owns 95% of the country's wealth. Having accumulated here - they are massively fleeing abroad. What to do with them NOW? Understand and forgive?
              Stalin was able to organize a punitive system, which ruthlessly cracked down on thieves, enemies of the Soviet regime. Fists flew undeservedly? Yes, they often themselves (without the criminal component) created their wealth, as if in conscience they could not be touched. And what was to be done with them? Leave as is? Do not ruin the village? Not to drive the poor into collective farms, not to give them a tractor, not to increase the productivity of peasant labor, not to export the liberated peasants to the cities and increase industrialization? Then the results of the German attack would be different.
              1. Basil50
                Basil50 20 July 2017 18: 06
                +2
                Bulldog
                You are wrong about the fists. No fist is possible without power support, and even if they are relatives, they do not cease to be bandits at lure. Even in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, kulaks and other * wealthy * were enriched only by parasitism in fellow villagers or in * latrine industries * for robbery or theft. Especially a lot of such * craftsmen * were scrubbed near the Nizhny Novgorod Fair, and then quite legally became a rural * aristocracy *.
                1. bulldog
                  bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 16
                  0
                  I agree, I could be wrong. About the sources of wealth accumulation among the kulaks, he did not search much, did not read, did not think, did not ask. It was a trading profit, or someone collected a penny for a penny for several generations, and as a result it became noticeably more than that of its neighbors, or something else is hard to say. I presume that people do not change, before the revolution, the same people lived as they are now. were working, were lazy. There were business acumen, there were those whose business acumen made them outright scribblers and speculators. I can’t say with certainty how the wolves were separated from the lamb.
              2. MrK
                MrK 20 July 2017 18: 32
                +7
                Quote: bulldog
                Fists flew undeservedly? Yes, they often themselves (without the criminal component) created their wealth, as if in conscience they could not be touched.

                I read somewhere that before collectivization in the Politburo there was a dispute between Zinoviev, Kamenev and M.I. Kalinin.
                Zinoviev argued that any peasant who owns 25 tithes of the earth should be classified as a fist. Kamenev said that 15 tithes will be enough.
                Mikhail Ivanovich mocked and laughed at them for a long time, they say experts, damn it, peasant souls. And then he explained that the fist is not the one with 25 tithes of land and five horses. And if he has a wife, five adult sons, four daughters-in-law?
                And not even the one who hires people - to help harvest. This is done even by the middle peasants.
                A fist is one who lives on usury. Gave before the fall 5 bags of wheat. You’ll give ten in the fall. Expensive - do not take and p.o.d.kh.a.a. from hunger.
                And the term fist-world-eater was not coined by the Bolsheviks. From the 19 century the term. If not before.
                So there is no need to talk about the reference owners, who were destroyed by the Bolsheviks.
                And the fact that part of the middle peasants got dispossessed is also true. But in our country, this can be observed at any time in different processes. And even today.
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 20 July 2017 18: 56
                  0
                  Got to all the middle peasants. My great-grandfather who died in Leningrad from hunger hired several workers a season. There were five sons. They took away cattle from the collective farm. Moreover, as the grandfather told me, the horse ran home 20 km. Didn't they get destroyed
                  And those who believe that this was the normal development of the country can only wish to experience this in their own skin
                  1. bulldog
                    bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 30
                    +2
                    Your family history is sympathetic. Only no need to discount, let’s say that it was the Soviet government that gave the people apartments, the best health services for those times, education, land and much more - all for free. 2 years ago I bought a countryman for a summer cottage - I repay my second year loan. 2 years from life crossed out - at a living wage with his wife sitting. There is no talk of any construction - money only on the train for 300 rubles to get to the site and digging something with a shovel for 150 rubles. And the zemlyotska is not the most expensive - near Dmitrov.
                  2. bulldog
                    bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 51
                    +4
                    About DESTRUCTION of fists - read Yeltsin’s biography on Wikipedia. I quote: “I was born in the village of Butka in the Ural Region in a family of dispossessed peasants ... Before the revolution, his father’s economy was kulak, had a water mill and a windmill, had a threshing machine, had permanent farm laborers, sowing had up to 12 hectares, had a self-binding reaper, had horses up to five pieces, cows up to four pieces ... ”In the thirtieth year the family was“ evicted ”. Grandfather was deprived of civil rights. Taxed by individual agricultural tax. In a word, they put a bayonet to his throat, how they knew how to do it. And grandfather "went on the run. Boris Yeltsin’s father was repressed, served his sentence on the construction of the Volga-Don Canal, after his release in 1937 he worked as a foreman in a construction site, and a few years later became the head of the construction unit at the plant.".
                    Questions: did the Soviet regime destroy the Yeltsin family (the exploiters actually did)? No, this is not written. Have "all doors" closed to the Yelitsins? No, Father became the head of the construction division, Boris Yeltsin studied ... he even became the head of state, and he ruined the country by the way.
                    Where is the bloody Soviet system of the 30s? Where are millstones grinding people's fates?
  10. Boris55
    Boris55 20 July 2017 08: 50
    +6
    Talking about fascism and communism, it would not be bad at the beginning to give their definition.
    Communism - the system of life in a society in which the parasitism of the minority on the majority disappears, all needs will be satisfied guaranteed and free of charge on the principle of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” on the basis of dominance in the society of righteousness, stably reproduced * culture in the continuity of generations. This will be possible both due to the general growth of production capacities of all sectors, and because a cultural transformation will take place and new generations of people with a different morality and psyche will come into life, which require labor, the development of professional skills and knowledge, participation in labor activity itself societies will not have a depressing effect due to the emancipation in the transformed culture of the creative potential of each person, now enslaved by the majority of adults by their inept and unrighteous education in childhood. In a communist society, labor will not become the first vital need, as the Marxist propaganda asserted, implying that labor is always subordinate to the task of satisfying people's needs for food, clothing, etc. products and services. The primary need will be personal and social development and activity in line with God's Providence, and the necessary work in this process will take its organic place.


    Fascism - This is one of the types of culture of public self-government, possible only in a crowd-"elite" society. Fascism is one of the expressions of psychic Trotskyism.
    The essence of fascism as such, regardless of how you call it, what ideas it covers up and what methods it exercises power in society, in the active support by a crowd of “little people” - according to the ideological conviction of themselves or lack of ideality based on animal-instinctive behavior - a system of abuse of power by an “elitist” oligarchy10, which: represents unrighteousness as supposedly true “righteousness”, and on this basis, distorting people's worldview, cultivates unrighteousness in society with all its power, preventing people from becoming a person;
    under various pretexts with all power subordinate to her, it suppresses everyone and everyone who doubts the righteousness of her own policy and the one she is pursuing, and also suppresses those whom she suspects.
    The crowd, according to V. G. Belinsky’s definition, is “a collection of people living according to tradition and reasoning according to authority” (in the definition of A. Pushkin, “people are meaningless” 11), i.e. crowd - a multitude of individuals living shamelessly and essentially thoughtlessly - automatically or under the control of the behavior of its representatives from the outside. And it does not matter whether the ruling oligarchy speaks publicly and ceremonially, being extolled over society; either exalted by default or in an unconscious pride, publicly portraying humility and service to the crowd, calling it people; or acts secretly, assuring society of its supposedly non-existence and, accordingly, “non-existence *”, of its inaction, as a result of which everything in the life of society flows supposedly “by itself”, and not purposefully according to the scripts of conceptually powerful curators of the oligarchy12.
    This definition-description of fascism does not include frightening and striking signs of its manifestations in action: symbolism; an ideology calling for violence and the annihilation of those whom the masters of fascism have designated as irreparable social evil; calls for the creation of political parties with strict discipline and a system of terror, militias, etc.
    About the misanthropic essence of fascism on the basis of the lesson taught by all German fascism, it is said after 1945 * g. lot. Due to the horror of German fascism that became negatively cult, 1933 - 1945 * the given definition may seem to some to be lightweight, divorced from real life (abstract), and therefore not meeting the task of protecting the future from the threat of fascism.
    In reality, this very definition is the definition of fascism in essence, and not according to the place of origin and not according to the peculiarities of its formation and manifestation in the life of society, which distinguishes it qualitatively from most of the "definitions" of "fascism" given by various explanatory and encyclopedic dictionaries .


    Ignorance or the deliberate concealment of these definitions makes it possible to manipulate the consciousness of many.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 20 July 2017 09: 03
      +3
      Darwin is a kind of founding father of both communism and fascism, with his god-wicked theory that man is a small evil beast (in short, the essence of his teachings)
      Further, on the basis of this theory, Marx became the founder of communism, and Nietzsche of fascism.
      Nietzsche is the theory of the superman, supernation, and Marx is the crazy theory of the state-happiness. And therefore, the ears of the man-hater, the good old Catholic Darwin, “stick out” from both communism and fascism.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 July 2017 09: 30
        0
        Quote: bober1982
        Darwin is a kind of founding father of both communism and fascism.

        It means that he equated fascism with communism, I found their common parent, so to speak ...
        Quote: bober1982
        and Marx is a delusional theory of a state of happiness.

        The thirst of mankind for a better life is indestructible. "Our Father in heaven! Hallowed be Your name; May Your Kingdom come; Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven;... "(Matthew 6: 9-13) In other words, let there be a paradise on Earth, as in heaven.
        The delusional theories of both Nietzsche and Marx only hinder the construction of this paradise on earth for all.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 July 2017 09: 41
          +2
          Mf.6: 9-13, you unsuccessfully quoted, with gross errors, I do not quibble, and the conclusion was strange.
          Mankind’s craving for a better life is indestructible, we observe the consequences of such an unhealthy craving, and this craving will end, let's say so diplomatically - it will be sad, very sad if anyone survives.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 20 July 2017 10: 10
            0
            Quote: bober1982
            Mt.6: 9-13, you quoted unsuccessfully, with gross errors

            What I found, I quoted. (Http://www.nsad.ru/otche-nash/) And what do you think, what is it "... let Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, as in heaven and to the earth. " In my opinion, this is about building the kingdom of God on earth ...
            Quote: bober1982
            the consequences of such an unhealthy craving ... this craving will end ... - sad

            Why do you think that living humanly is contrary to the will of God? To parasitize on the work of others is bad. To create something useful for the whole society is good. I think so, and you?
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 20 July 2017 10: 18
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              ... Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, as in heaven and on earth. "

              Quote: Boris55
              Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven;

              You feel the difference, because this is your quote!
              Quote: Boris55
              Why do you think that living humanly is contrary to the will of God?

              And where did you get the idea that I think so? Apparently, we have different concepts about a better person’s life.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 20 July 2017 10: 28
                0
                Quote: bober1982
                You feel the difference, because this is your quote!

                And what is the crime? Actually, I asked your opinion about what you think about the embodiment of the kingdom of heaven on earth? With His coming or the embodiment of His will - the result should be the same - building paradise on Earth.
                Quote: bober1982
                And where did you get the idea that I think so ?.

                This is yours:
                "The craving of mankind for a better life is indestructible, the consequences of such an unhealthy craving are observed, and this craving will end, let us say so diplomatically - it will be sad, very sad if anyone survives."
                Do not confuse the will of individual representatives of the human race to live at someone else's expense, with the desire of the whole society to live in good conscience. The pursuit of perfection in us is laid down by God.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 20 July 2017 11: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Actually, I asked your opinion about what you think about the embodiment of the kingdom of heaven on earth.

                  I don’t want to go into this topic, I don’t need to. But what kind of kingdom of heaven on earth can you talk about, it's nonsense. Trotsky, Marx, Napoleon, Hitler and the like - these are the representatives of the kingdom on earth, but not heaven .
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 20 July 2017 12: 14
                    0
                    Quote: bober1982
                    these are the representatives of the kingdom on earth, but not of heaven.

                    I agree with that. These individuals have nothing to do with building the kingdom of heaven on earth. They are building the kingdom of the beast. If you continue your thought, then if there are those who impede the construction of paradise on earth, then there must be those who build it. People saying a prayer to our father unconsciously strive for this ... The truth is that you do not have to wait for someone to come and restore order for us. Hitlers usually come. We must build our own happy future ourselves.
                    “He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God came, he answered them: the kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they won’t say: here it is, or: here, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17: 20-21).
                    “Verily, Allah does not change the position of people until they change themselves” (13:11)?
                    In other words, until we change ourselves, the world around us will be the same.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 20 July 2017 12: 29
                      +1
                      It is impossible to build any paradise on earth, and there can be no happy future. The world lay in the mud, lies and will lie. There were many builders of such a paradise, but it all ended in chaos, blood, slaughter.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 20 July 2017 12: 56
                        0
                        Quote: bober1982
                        It is impossible to build any paradise on earth, and there can be no happy future.

                        I feel sorry for you...
                        Quote: bober1982
                        There were many builders of such a paradise, but it all ended in chaos, blood, and slaughter.

                        This is the story that the Hitlers are imposing on us, thereby substantiating their atrocities.
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 20 July 2017 10: 00
        +5
        Quote: bober1982
        Darwin, with his boastful theory that man is a small evil beast (in short, the essence of his teachings)

        In heaven, a man sits on a cloud to whom everyone on earth owes something (in short, the essence of the Bible).
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 July 2017 10: 09
          +1
          The Holy Fathers teach to patiently endure insults - to remain silent and calm down.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 20 July 2017 10: 17
            +4
            Quote: bober1982
            Holy fathers teach patiently to bear insults

            Holy fathers do not teach not to offend others? If the teaching is not yours then it can be reduced to a "little evil animal." Why regret it? Not the bible. 80 level snobbery. Spit in the well - now you can shut up in a beautiful pose.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 20 July 2017 10: 21
              +3
              Inhale-exhale, inhale-exhale ...... silence
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 20 July 2017 10: 51
                +1
                Quote: bober1982
                Inhale-exhale, inhale-exhale ...... silence

                And why write "inhale-exhale and so on" if the holy fathers are taught to be silent, i.e. don't write anything at all? laughing
                Here he is the temptation, here he is Satan. He won again. He taught me to write "silent, inhale-exhale." God is within, and it is useless to deceive oneself. After all, you don’t perceive my words as something valuable - you think some kind of fool, but what if it’s God talking to you through me to save you? Well, imagine this option for a second. He is hinting to you - do not consider yourself superior to others just because you study the Bible more often, and do not blame Darwin for nothing - this is all unfair, i.e. not from God. Why not?
                Nothing personal. I believe in God, but in my own way. And my sense of justice is keen. It's a shame for Darwin.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 20 July 2017 11: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  you think some fool

                  I do not think so.
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  but what if it is God with you and is talking through me to save you? Well, imagine this option for a second.

                  It’s better not to imagine, and the elders teach not to talk like that, otherwise who knows, or maybe some kind of fool? And this option may be, and most likely.
              2. novel66
                novel66 20 July 2017 11: 42
                +3
                let me converse - Darwin has never been a Catholic - Protestant definitely! and his theory is truly god-lousy and not very evidence-based
      3. telobezumnoe
        telobezumnoe 20 July 2017 10: 15
        +6
        you must have completely missed a biology course at school, Darwin only noticed the mechanism of natural selection that allowed all species existing on earth to form. and this is a well-studied fact, but your interpretations of the evil little animal are only sick fantasies from ignorance.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 July 2017 10: 33
          +3
          Darwinism has nothing to do with either biology or the theory of evolution - this is philosophy, as a scientific theory it is unscientific, which was pointed out even at the time of its appearance.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 20 July 2017 10: 46
            +3
            Quote: bober1982
            Darwinism has nothing to do with either biology or the theory of evolution - this is philosophy, as a scientific theory it is unscientific, which was pointed out even at the time of its appearance.

            Here again ... If I begin to talk about what God is, they will probably tell me, and what do you understand in this, why do you judge how to believe us? But when the opposite question arises, what is science, what is scientific, and what is unscientific, believers willingly act as experts (as I look). But shouldn't we tell them - but don’t tell us what is “scientifically” and what is “unscientific”, and don’t get into these questions at all, because, you don’t let us tell you how to believe in your God? Is it logical? Is logical.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 20 July 2017 11: 02
              +2
              Quote: Alex_59
              Is it logical? Is logical.

              But not only believers willingly act as experts, as you have noticed, but you also willingly act as experts in matters of faith and religion, and usually in an aggressive form.
              As for the so-called Darwin’s theory of evolution, but is it really taken seriously by someone, it’s even awkward to talk about it now, some obscurantism.
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 20 July 2017 11: 14
                +1
                Quote: bober1982
                But not only believers willingly act as experts, as you have noticed, but you also willingly act as experts in matters of faith and religion, and usually in an aggressive form.

                Duck, I’m talking about this! Let either believers sensitively listen to the claims of the laity about how to believe in God correctly, and then the believers' judgments about science will also be quite fair. I'm not against. Or vice versa - send all the laity who are teaching you to correctly believe "to hell," and in return, if you please, do not say anything about science. Both options are fair. Question - which do you like best?
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 20 July 2017 11: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  Question - which do you like best?

                  The second option is more suitable, but you cunningly (the demon got it?) Asked the question. It turns out that I will "send everyone", and the laity will pour mud on the faith. Yes, and rudely all this, so serious people do not say.
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 20 July 2017 12: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: bober1982
                    It turns out that, I will "send" everyone, and the laity will pour mud on the faith.

                    It’s difficult of course with you - “sending” does not need to be taken literally, I can speak out a bit shockingly, the speech is that “leave us alone, we ourselves will decide how to believe in God”. It’s quite cultural. No rudeness. By the way, I also like the second option a little more.
                    So on that and we will solve. Still, everyone would know about it, but whoever hears the two of us ... laughing Well, except Him.
              2. telobezumnoe
                telobezumnoe 20 July 2017 11: 28
                +1
                obscurantism is a denial of objective reality, and the foundation of modern biology of microbiology, medicine and even psychology. this is not something that is taken seriously, it has long been perceived as a given, whether we want it or not.
          2. telobezumnoe
            telobezumnoe 20 July 2017 10: 48
            +2
            I nevertheless read his book of the origin of species, later society still put a lot of pressure on such views, so I had to rewrite it, abandoning various concepts. but the essence is the same, he showed the mechanism of variability, and this concept of sexual and natural selection is the basis of the modern idea of ​​the evolution of species, which is more and more confirmed by facts
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 20 July 2017 11: 08
              +2
              Quote: telobezumnoe
              later, society still strongly pressed on such views

              Society was delighted with his theory, it was not even a challenge to God, but a rejection of it, why everyone started to rejoice, no one needed science. If anyone objected, they did not listen. Two world massacres are such a result of hobby like a "scientific" theory.
              1. telobezumnoe
                telobezumnoe 20 July 2017 11: 33
                +2
                ha ha ha .. and all wars in this way are the result of tasting an apple from your fairy tales. and somehow you are modestly silent about the number of conflicts on religious grounds. although it’s not surprising, people who are accustomed to believe without proof, always choose the concept that they like best, despite the facts
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 20 July 2017 13: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: telobezumnoe
                  ha ha ha .. and all wars are thus the result of tasting an apple

                  The fact of the matter is that this is so, it may sound strange to you.
          3. asbond
            asbond 9 August 2017 12: 19
            0
            Why is it that those who neither in biology nor in science understand anything at all and judge Darwin by delusional American little books in the style of "new interpretations of the Bible" like to talk about the "anti-science" of Darwinism ?! As an active researcher, I can only tell you: Darwin's theory is a sound and respected scientific theory. Although, I must admit, scholars are often led to such nonsense (the academic title does not compensate for natural stupidity, unfortunately).
      4. bulldog
        bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 25
        +3
        There are no direct connections between the theory of Darwin, Marx, Nietzsche (if he is “accused” of creating a Nietzsche superman). Darwin studied the evolution of the animal world, Marx studied social economic (and, as a consequence of the economy, political) relationships, Nietzsche tried to bring his individualist - "superman" as opposed to collective work (by the way, essentially international).
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 20 July 2017 12: 36
          +1
          Quote: bulldog
          Nietzsche tried to bring his individualist - "superman" as opposed to collective work (by the way, by its very nature, international).

          Nietzsche's “Superman” - “the superman of spirit and will” above all!
          And so in general - a poorly furnished, although very bright and impressive idea! I liked my youth ...
          ... "now that's it ... - netu fire ... alone the smoke remained!" (A. Raikin)
          1. bulldog
            bulldog 20 July 2017 13: 55
            +1
            Collective labor creates everything. One brilliant scientist - they raise, educate, feed, invest in him (in his mistakes, including failures) a lot of money, etc. - millions of peasants with hands in manure and workers with hands in oil. From this point of view, the same Korolev is a product of the USSR, his merits belong to the country.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 20 July 2017 13: 06
          +2
          Quote: bulldog
          There are no direct connections between the theory of Darwin, Marx, Nietzsche (if he is “accused” of creating a Nietzsche superman).

          How are these connections absent if both Marx's theory and Nietzsche’s theory are based on Darwinism, which was the basis of both communism (revolution, the collapse of states) and fascism (the destruction of entire nations)? Darwin's philosophy literally put the world on its head.
          1. bulldog
            bulldog 20 July 2017 14: 01
            +2
            Darwin did not talk about collective labor, much less talked about exploitation. Darwin talked about the evolution of living organisms, adaptability and natural selection, Marx about added value, Nietzsche cycled on his superman.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 20 July 2017 09: 29
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      Talking about fascism and communism, it would not be bad at the beginning to give their definition.
      ..................
      Ignorance or the deliberate concealment of these definitions makes it possible to manipulate the consciousness of many.

      Not really ... and incomplete ... but okay - basically it's all that way! come down ...
      (although such definitions - up to mutually contradictory and mutually exclusive - like Don Pedro in Brazil ... or like wild monkeys - in the same place!
      Avoid exhaustive definitions - they often exhaust themselves ...)
      --------------------------------
      When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that the most important thing in life is to be happy. When I went to school, they asked me what I want to become when I grow up. I wrote "happy." They told me - "you did not understand the task", and I replied - "you did not understand life."
      © John Lennon

      myths - they are ...
      ... she loved New York, menthol cigarettes, sherry and vanilla coffee ...
      But the sewing college knocked out this nonsense from it!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 July 2017 09: 36
        0
        Quote: CONTROL
        although such definitions - to the extent of mutually contradictory and mutually exclusive - like Don Pedro in Brazil ... or like wild monkeys - in the same place!

        Until we come to a common understanding of the interpretation of these terms, we will never understand each other. (not us, but all of humanity in general)
    3. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 20 July 2017 14: 25
      +2
      Fascism is one of the expressions of psychic Trotskyism.

      Comrade, do not tell my slippers. It is absurd to come up with a definition for yourself, such as gray is white, and then use it as an argument in a dispute.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 July 2017 18: 28
        0
        Well, besides la-la, for the sake of decency, he would have given his definition of fascism. So people would compare whose cooler. laughing
        ps. The definition I have given is given by the USSR Supreme Council.
  11. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 July 2017 09: 23
    +1
    It seems to me that the author did not succeed in the article. for starters, he did not give a precise definition of any "ism." Well, for example, such as in the "wiki." But this stove from which you need to dance. Due to the “absence of a stove”, the author continued to state the idea by pulling out the facts. But on this path you can "measure" ad infinitum.
    My opinion is that it doesn’t matter what root "ism" begins with. The main thing is how it ends. The same crusades hid behind the name of the Lord (where already higher? !!) But how much grief, devastation and misfortune did they bring?
    1. BAI
      BAI 20 July 2017 10: 32
      +1
      The author, as it turned out unfairly, believed that the terms are known to readers and do not require chewing. Well, I made a mistake in assessing the level of the audience, with whom it does not happen. The same could be written for Boris55, well, I did not repeat myself.
    2. bulldog
      bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 16
      0
      How many people in three birches are fornication. Watershed and dictatorship. Their difference is the essence of all "isms."
  12. den-protector
    den-protector 20 July 2017 09: 27
    +2
    In our country, this is done in a more veiled form. At different levels, the myth of the totalitarian Soviet power and the bloody Stalinist regime is cultivated. On the one hand, achievements are not denied, but this type has been achieved almost contrary to totalitarian rule. How they once launched the myth that the victory of the Soviet people in the Second World War was achieved almost contrary to Stalin. But for most normal people, Victory in the Great Patriotic War is directly associated with the name of I.V. Stalin. Otherwise it can not be. There are still many people who have a "Soviet" memory and were brought up under the USSR. Therefore, at all levels they are trying to erase by any means people have the memory of real social justice and really functioning social elevators. All sorts of pseudo-historical films about the era of I.V. Stalin (perhaps the exception is the film “28 Panfilov’s”), they idealize the time of the “thaw” and any dissenting dissidents (“sixties”), demonize V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, L.P. Beria, the NKVD of the USSR and the "bloody Stalinist regime." Even the Guarantor himself in various explanations (direct lines, forums) repeatedly publicly called I.V. Stalin's bloody dictator, and himself the main liberal. The media clearly commissioned to introduce the installation of "mass Stalinist repressions." Under the pretext of "reconciliation", the rehabilitation of the white movement, which fought against its own people, is being intensely imposed on society. And this, apparently, is a real state policy, despite the pompous words about patriotic education and saving of the people. It seems that in reality the Ost plan and the instruction of A. Dulles in an altered and veiled form are still valid.
    1. bulldog
      bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 31
      +3
      Shake your hand. By the way, in 28 Panfilov’s fighters "For the Homeland, For Stalin"do not shout. So even here the director had to bend.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 20 July 2017 22: 40
        +7
        Judging the story from the movie is cool!
        Father told me, For the Motherland! - it was, For Stalin! - He did not hear that war.
        1. bulldog
          bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 33
          0
          What year are you born?
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 21 July 2017 17: 43
            +7
            A pin code from the card does not say? laughing
            I went to school in the 69th, but it was the 85th GHA school, if that.
            And a year before that, his father returned from a business trip to a neighboring army - he commanded their 14th deep intelligence company during the capture of the Prague Kremlin and the arrest of the Dubcek government. In the 87th I read it in the Historical part form. And still at home lies an autograph album of Dubcek and Co. with the inscription: To the winner from the vanquished. About the events in Prague, his father said - God loves a trinity, but for the third time - it will be too much. He finished the Second World War in front-line intelligence. When the Master class was introduced in intelligence (according to modern ideas), he received it first in the USSR Armed Forces. In November of the 79th, he was pulled out of retirement to Afghanistan with the task of assessing the likelihood of Iran participating (he was engaged in it for 10 years) in Afghan events. My father then swore very much - the mess in the army is unreal, how are they going to fight? I never wore a medal for that trip. And in the Second World War he fought after a college in Romania, which he graduated in the 43rd. The Marine Corps of the Black Sea Fleet, then 320 assault regiment of the 2nd Ukrainian, then to the demobilization - in intelligence. If I get drunk, I don’t mix anything up.
            Why did you give my year of birth?
            1. bulldog
              bulldog 24 July 2017 11: 07
              0
              Those whose father participated in the Second World War are pensioners themselves. So I was surprised that almost a pensioner (taking into account civilian experience) about the 62nd year of birth, whose father on the vkidka of the 24th year of birth, takes part in the conversation and certainly retells father's priceless memories.
              You are very stressful for some reason. Everywhere you think of intrigues. Please communicate humanly.
  13. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
    ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 20 July 2017 10: 18
    0
    The difference between communism and Nazism is precisely in the national component. Nazism was formed as NATIONAL SOCIALISM (soon spread by Hitler's racism / Aryanism / anti-Semitism). Communism, after a brief period of the failed "war communism", positioned itself as INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM. Thus, there is IT. The genuine, “revolutionary” National Socialists (Strasser and Stennes), are left-wing revolutionary movements, celebrated May Day under the red flag and demanded a workers' revolution, like the Communists. Nazism in the Third Reich concept is a slightly different phenomenon that should correctly be called Hitlerism.
    Internationalism is a malignant variation of the concept of internationalism, which is used in political practice solely to solve the problem of directly or indirectly suppressing the national identity of a certain ethnic group. International Nazi practices include measures aimed at infringing on a certain ethnic group through putting it in a humiliated, subordinate position like other ethnic ones. so to social groups.
    1. bulldog
      bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 46
      0
      Superficially. In any “change” it is important who gets the money (uses the results of social labor), who exploits whom, whose dictatorship. You blurry it turned out to sound.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 July 2017 15: 06
      +2
      Thus, communism is INTERNASISM.
      COMMUNISM is lack of exploitation of man by man, everything else is invented by the liberal bandits!
      1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
        ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 20 July 2017 17: 40
        0
        Hmm, first of all, communism does not deny the exploitation of man by the state, but it is usually represented by certain people (police officers, officials, etc.). Secondly, Soviet-style communism was the exploitation and discrimination of the Russian majority in favor of national minorities.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 20 July 2017 22: 43
          +7
          Communism, as I recall from school, denies the power of the state, and to speak of exploitation is the height of stupidity.
          1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 21 July 2017 09: 35
            0
            Quote: Doliva63
            communism, as I remember from school, denies the power of the state

            This refers to the Soviet version of communism from 1917 to 1991. Spherical communism "in a vacuum" is not considered in this article.
            1. bulldog
              bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 42
              +1
              Communism is the power of the people - it begins exactly from the moment when social elevators begin to work in large numbers.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 21 July 2017 18: 32
              +7
              Judging by how you rape the Russian language, it is useless to discuss with you - there is only rubbish in your head.
        2. bulldog
          bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 40
          +2
          Soviet-style communism was international. The synthesis of internationalism, patriotism, implicated in the dictatorship of the proletariat.
          There were no policemen, there was a people's militia.
          There were officials, but Stalin LEVELED the salaries of ministerial level officials and production workers. A miner could receive more than a minister. True, officials received non-monetary benefits - an official car, priority in obtaining an apartment, and more. But they also scammed them like goat goats for it, control over the result of their work was the greatest. By the way, the selection was only profile. My father was born in 1940 Respectfully recalls the old Minister of Geology and speaks negatively of Trutnev (he is not a geologist of course) and who is there before Trutnev and after him was also poorly spoken. By the way, the story of Kozlovsky with a diploma from Medvedev was sensational at the time.
          1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 22 July 2017 11: 58
            0
            Quote: bulldog
            There were no policemen, there was a people's militia

            Do not find fault with the terms. You can say "law enforcement officers" who operate the population on behalf of the state (ITC, etc.). Discrimination of the Russian population under Soviet communism is characterized by at least the fact that the Communist Party of the RSFSR did not exist, although all the rest of the republic had.
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 24 July 2017 11: 15
              +3
              Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
              .Discrimination of the Russian population under Soviet communism is characterized at least by the fact that the Communist Party of the RSFSR did not exist

              One must truly be a teacher and a liar in order to carry these fabrications into society.
              Why did the RSFSR have its own party, if the CPSU .a before that, the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks was the party that represented precisely Russia, Historical Russia, from which people like you disowned 91.
              1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 24 July 2017 16: 51
                0
                Quote: Pancir026
                Why the RSFSR own party

                Why do Russians need power, rights, money, property ?! Russians need spirituality, fence, communism and other chimeras! And let the rights and property be given to fairly decent people with the right bouquet of blood: Kadyrov, Khodorkovsky, Usman ...
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 26 July 2017 08: 33
                  0
                  Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                  And let rights and property be given to fairly decent people with the right bouquet of blood

                  Your terry nationalism, is a means of destroying the country, you are at your own risk. You risk lagging behind the borders of the Moscow principality of the 16th century and no more. Conclusion, all your nationalism is essentially anti-state idea, in glory to the dreams of the West about the split of Russia now on national grounds.
                  1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                    ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 26 July 2017 09: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    you risk falling behind the borders of the Moscow principality of the 16th century

                    If you were to use communist nonsense less, you could easily find out that Russian nationalists advocate the unification of territories with the Russian population from the Danube to Ust-Kamenogorsk in a single Russian National State. Only for the sovets borders of Ukraine and Kazakhstan are sacred and inviolable.
    3. Pancir026
      Pancir026 24 July 2017 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
      Thus, communism is INTERNASISM.

      You can’t pick up this nonsense word, in which laboratory of the CIA, NSA or the State Department committee did you come up with? What are you greedy for verbal fabrications ..
      In general, a reference should be given to where they dug this dreg- https://traditio.wiki/Internationalism
      And whoever writes Wikipedia, decent people have long been aware of, so that Mr. Nazi, keep quiet about what the pus was built for centuries not on your cave nationalism, but on unaffiliated and implicit internationalism, because it took place as a country that occupied almost half of the continent.
  14. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 20 July 2017 10: 28
    +8
    To be honest, Nazism and Communism still have common features. Here is leaderism, and the suppression of dissent, and mass repression (the only difference is in the basis - the national or social origin of the victim). Yes, and there was much in common in rhetoric - recently there was news that at an anti-fascist rally, a person received a standing ovation with a speech created from quotes from the madman of Hitler. https://inforeactor.ru/87468-na-mitinge-v-ssha-vy
    stuplenie-gitlera-vstretili-shkvalom-aplodismento
    v
    The key difference between the two bloody utopias was that Nazism saw the future as an unshakable superstate, and communism set as its goal the withering away of the state ... through its strengthening (this is such a paradox).
    PS The author says that a person cannot change his race, but can a person change socially equal? We do not choose which family will be born and the uniform madness was to persecute a person because he was the son of an officer, doctor and public servant.
    1. MrK
      MrK 20 July 2017 13: 44
      +3
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      To be honest, Nazism and Communism still have common features.

      Even a cow and a horse have similarities. They eat grass. But from this the horse cannot be a cow.
      And most importantly: in whose interests is the policy of the state.
      During the struggle for power in the 1917 year, Lenin emphasized that socialism differs from capitalism not in the material and technical basis — they have a common one — and not even in the form of ownership, since under critical conditions capitalism goes to nationalization. The key difference between socialism and capitalism lies in the nature of power: if it serves the people, it is socialism, if for business it is capitalism.
      M. Delyagin. "Actual lessons of the 1917 of the year."
    2. Pancir026
      Pancir026 24 July 2017 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Here is leaderism, and the suppression of dissent, and mass repression (the only difference is in the basis - the national or social origin of the victim).

      Monarchism in its purest form.
  15. BAI
    BAI 20 July 2017 10: 29
    +4
    identity of Nazism and communism

    need:
    1. Those who want to justify their crimes during the war;
    2. those who, under some pretext, want to force Russia to pay for the crimes of the Nazis.
  16. Chaos
    Chaos 20 July 2017 11: 13
    +1
    A "hard" readable article. The educated will understand what is written, those who are not educated after the second paragraph will not read. So that people no longer have the desire to equate Nazism and communism, it is necessary to give a definition of both and confirm it with facts. But it must be so evidence-based that in a hundred years it will be quoted for those who ask what Nazism and communism are. Loafers when you close the Nazism-Communism issue?
  17. unknown
    unknown 20 July 2017 11: 39
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    Uses the term "totalitarianism". But, it denies the term "fascism". And this is one and the same thing. "Fascism" - from the Italian "Fashi". Translated: union, together. That is, fascism is a theory about mobilizing the forces and resources of society to solve a problem.
    Historians, and especially political scientists, distinguish four varieties of fascism.
    1. Italian (classic). Mobilization of the country's resources for the return of the status of "great power." Planning is typical (example: “battle for the harvest”), colonial expansion (useless colonies consumed resources, but gave nothing but status) and the absence of anti-Semitism (the elite consisted of those traditionally called Jews).
    2.Soviet, international socialism (international fascism). The most false option: the real goal of the invaders is to use Russia as a wick to kindle the fire of the world revolution. Trotskyism is pure water. Rigid planning and militarization of the economy are characteristic. Repression is a consequence of the ongoing so-called civil war, and a tool for mobilizing human resources. Anti-Semitism is characteristic at a lower stage.
    3. National Socialism (National Fascism). Mobilization of resources for the return of the status of "great power."
    Characteristic: the desire to acquire additional "living space" and the assertion of the superiority of the "white race", respectively, aggressive foreign policy and the mass physical destruction of people not related to the "Aryans". Anti-Semitism.
    The most difficult and confusing option: the words "Jew", "European" and "Aryan" - have one meaning. Not for nothing, there is an interpretation of German anti-Semitism from the point of view of the struggle between Ashkenazi and safards. In fact, the civil war that spilled from Europe (the country of the Jews) to the rest of the world.
    4. Spanish fascism. Regional variety. No external expansion and anti-Semitism (the Jewish elite, however, as in the rest of Europe, they are Europeans, Aryans, whites).
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 24 July 2017 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: ignoto
      Uses the term "totalitarianism".

      After this phrase. The rest of the dregs can not be read, with a reverence for Italian and German, Spanish and other fascism-Nazism and with hatred for the USSR.
      Internationalism, then everything was done correctly, since you are yelling and spitting mud at History.
      Well, since Soviet internationalism is so terrible to you, it means that you did everything right, since you are yelling and spitting mud at History. It’s profitable for you, the old Western principle-SHARE in Dominate. Here you are trying, try to pervert the essence of the USSR with ears and mud and mud. Of Russia.
      Enemies of Russia, no matter how the nightingale trills sang about the opposite.
  18. bulldog
    bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 53
    0
    Quote: ignoto
    2.Soviet, international socialism (international fascism). The most false option: the real goal of the invaders is to use Russia as a wick to kindle the fire of the world revolution. Trotskyism is pure water. Rigid planning and militarization of the economy are characteristic. Repression is a consequence of the ongoing so-called civil war, and a tool for mobilizing human resources. Anti-Semitism is characteristic at a lower stage.

    If you think about it, you cannot but admit that there is a rational kernel in Trotskyism. Yes, a world revolution was supposed. Only the globe is not a bomb, Russia is not a wick.
    So that you yourself can think about - I’ll give you an example. Trotsky liquidated the command staff of the army, from the word completely. The logic is as follows: if, say, the Russian and German army are located on the front, then the same workers and peasants are sitting in the trenches, defending the interests of the capitalists with arms in their hands. Consequently, to fight (plan an offensive, defense) there is not the slightest sense against the German army. it is necessary to conduct educational work with the German comrades, so that they also dump their exploiters, then they will not need a war against Russia. And commanders will not be needed if there is no one to fight.
    1. bulldog
      bulldog 20 July 2017 11: 54
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      I do not condone Trotskyism, understanding that utopia is - but it is like that.
      1. MrK
        MrK 20 July 2017 13: 48
        +2
        Quote: bulldog
        I do not condone Trotskyism, understanding that utopia is - but it is like that.


        You are very kind to Trotskyism. And the difference between Trotskyism and Stalinism is the difference between a horse fire and a bonfire.
        1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
          ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 20 July 2017 17: 48
          +1
          Trotskyism is the development of the ideas of Ulyanov-Lenin. But Stalinism is renegade: the rejection of the world revolution, the alliance with the CPR countries, the completely non-Leninist idea of ​​building socialism in one country.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 24 July 2017 11: 24
            +3
            Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            Trotskyism is the development of the ideas of Ulyanov-Lenin.

            A lie, a lie which is said by Trotsky himself. To lie to your work?
            However...
            This record has been played for a long time - one very educated person who the brainwashed by the opposition, and who hated communism, claimed that it was good, civilized under the Germans in Minsk, they opened schools, though they forgot that children were taken from these schools for blood for wounded Germans . This opposition has a brain twisted - spit in their eyes - God's dew.
        2. bulldog
          bulldog 21 July 2017 12: 59
          0
          And I absolutely agree with this. drinks
          1. bulldog
            bulldog 21 July 2017 13: 00
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            I agree with both extreme statements: Mrark and ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH.
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 24 July 2017 11: 24
              +3
              Quote: bulldog
              I agree with both extreme statements: Mrark and ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH.

              How can one agree with polar utterances?
  19. telobezumnoe
    telobezumnoe 20 July 2017 12: 00
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    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: Alex_59
    Question - which do you like best?

    The second option is more suitable, but you cunningly (the demon got it?) Asked the question. It turns out that I will "send everyone", and the laity will pour mud on the faith. Yes, and rudely all this, so serious people do not say.
    it means you can find fault with science, but you can’t indicate in matters of faith? so not rude? you know, serious people are not afraid of facts to destroy someone’s ideas about pink flying elephants, and you won’t please everyone
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 20 July 2017 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: telobezumnoe
      so you can find fault science

      To reduce the understanding of human nature to the animal level (Darwin), and you call this science?
      1. telobezumnoe
        telobezumnoe 20 July 2017 19: 01
        +1
        and what is wrong with animals? a man is the same representative .. wants to eat sleep and a lot of things .. um ... and if you look at humanism, then many people are far from animals, among our smaller brothers there is self-sacrifice to save the family, etc., as well as other people's children can feed .. a person is only distinguished by cognitive functions .. and then they are simply more difficult quantitatively, not qualitatively
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 July 2017 19: 16
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          Your comment generally liked, but did not like it .....
          Quote: telobezumnoe
          and if you look at humanism

          There is no humanism, bluffing it all, this is a soft assessment.
  20. iouris
    iouris 20 July 2017 12: 09
    +4
    The concept of "myth" is not applicable in this case. Here we are talking about a special operation to reprogram the psychology of the masses around the world. The success of this special operation was ensured by the world counter-revolution held in the states that were part of the world socialist system.
    Communism is an antagonist of bourgeois democracy, Nazism is an extreme form of realization of bourgeois (liberal) democracy in a single country. It follows from this that communism and Nazism are antagonists, and not "almost the same thing."
    The development of a communist society involves three stages: building the foundations of socialism (the transition period from capitalism to socialism, socialism (the first phase of communism) and, finally, the development of socialism into a higher stage (communism proper). All of them are very different in terms of tasks and the political regime for the implementation of the dictatorship of the proletariat. It’s not by chance that bourgeois propagandists regard “communism” as a single formation, this allows reducing communism exclusively to repressions against the “civilian population”.
    One cannot help but see that anti-communism today is cultivated as a latent form of anti-Sovietism and Russophobia. However, communism is a product, first of all, of Western scientific thought, philosophical and sociological. In this sense, communism arose and developed as an objective science, and not as an exclusively direction of propaganda.
  21. win9090
    win9090 20 July 2017 14: 07
    0
    Just the farther the more difficult to understand, it has always been so.
    Humanity has a short memory. Two, three generations, and then everything turns into an obligation.
  22. Love is
    Love is 20 July 2017 15: 23
    +1
    Communism and fascism of one field berry. From the point of view of a Christian. Both are utopian regimes. For they rejected God, His commandments. They strive to build societies with ideas foreign to Christianity, the gospel. Both teachings have a superman. But if we return to earthly concepts, then the socialist system is the most perfect in terms of democracy. But just an idea. It was largely embodied by countries such as Finland, Sweden, and Norway. There, human greed is pacified by law and Christian morality, which forces the rich to share with the poor, and the poor to be content with their condition, having shelter, food, protection by law. But a well-fed person seeks pleasure, often contrary to God. An example from the Bible is the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah. Which confirms the current situation in these countries in the legitimization of sin, Sodom. What can I say, yes, everyone wants a fair, honest, caring world order. Disputes, wars, various philosophical constructions are born, but all in vain.
    Now is the time to make a decision. Either I'm with Christ, or I'm against. No other is given. Severe trials await Russia. For by the prayers of the saints in the land of Russia, God shone, giving us time to repent, reject sin, and return to the bosom of the Church of Christ, which is the new ark and body of Christ. Glory be to our God! Now and forever and ever! Amen.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2017 16: 25
      0
      Quote: Love is
      From the point of view of a Christian.

      For a true Christian, "finally, all authority is from God." Issues of socio-economic structure and social progress (or regression) are not included in the content of religious consciousness. Your personal opinion on this issue, of course, is important, but there are objective phenomena that require scientific knowledge, because "everything real is rational, and everything rational is real." In this world, class factors are a factor, not Wishlist, even if they are good, intelligent people.
      1. Love is
        Love is 20 July 2017 17: 16
        +2
        You wrote it out of ignorance. A Christian in the world is a citizen of his country. Riots and opposition to the authorities are alien to him. He must, at the cost of his life, defend his homeland from external and internal enemies. The words of the Holy Apostle Paul, you are considering through the prism of the teachings of the CPSU and its idols. But the holy fathers of Orthodoxy interpret them differently. If you want to know the true meaning of the message, you can easily find it on the net. For example, interpretations on Rome. 13: 1 St. John Chrysostom or St. Theophan the Recluse. By the way, for one, and read the correctly written words. Not that you composed. God help you learn! hi
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 20 July 2017 20: 47
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          Quote: Love is
          A Christian in the world is a citizen of his country. Riots and opposition to the authorities are alien to him. He must, at the cost of his life, defend his homeland from external and internal enemies.

          With external enemies it is clear, "crossed the border by the river," further on the thumb. And how does a Christian define inner ones?
          1. Love is
            Love is 20 July 2017 21: 02
            0
            They are not defined by the Christian, but by the state and the Church. Moreover, the enemy for the Christian is not man, but evil, the bearer of which is man. As soon as a person ceases to be a carrier of evil for those around him, the Christian ceases to consider him an enemy, and if a person repents, then the Christian forgives him. A Christian is obliged to pray (sometimes through force) for his enemies, so that God would grant them to abandon evil intent. But if a person has not refused, a Christian enters into a fight, battle, etc. If the enemy dies as a result of this confrontation, then after the battle, the Christian enters into fasting and prayer (if possible), including for the forgiveness of sins to the destroyed enemy. If a Christian dies, then he fulfilled the commandment of Christ Jesus
            “There is no longer that love, as if someone would lay down his soul for his friends” (John 15:13). You can learn more from military priests. hi
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 20 July 2017 21: 34
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              Quote: Love is
              They are not defined by the Christian, but by the state and the Church.

              If I understand you correctly, if the state determines the internal enemy of individual but rather numerous representatives of a certain nation, and the Church at least will not mind, then the Christian should fight this evil. And if the state considers a significant amount of the clergy to be evil, then what about the Christian?
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 20 July 2017 23: 03
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                So always with these sectarians. If the question is not on the book - merge.
                1. Love is
                  Love is 21 July 2017 08: 45
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                  You, by mistake, insert words into your text, meaning that you don’t understand. Give it up. Further, you, as I understand it, decided to engage in an imaginary battle with a turned Orthodox clown in order to flatter yourself and amuse others. Arrogantly considering me to be behind you in development. Please. Fight. There is such a story in the gospel
                  23 On that day the Sadducees came to him, saying that there was no resurrection, and asked him:
                  24 Teacher! Moses said: if anyone dies without children, then let his brother take his wife for himself and restore the seed to his brother;
                  25 We had seven brothers; the first, having married, died, and having no children, left his wife to his brother;
                  26 Like the second, and the third, even before the seventh;
                  27 After all, the wife also died;
                  28 So in the resurrection, which of the seven will she be a wife? for all had her.
                  29 Jesus answered them: You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God,
                  30 For in resurrection they neither marry nor marry, but remain as the angels of God in heaven.
                  31 But about the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God has spoken to you:
                  32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? God is not the God of the dead, but the living.
                  33 And hearing, the people marveled at his doctrine. (Matt. 22.23-33)

                  This text shows that people who were stupid in their conceit decided to make fun of the Lord as well, asking Him, as they foolishly thought, tricky questions. There are answers to all your questions, a long time ago. So don’t get yourself tired. You are not the smartest. Guardian Angel to you and your loved ones! yes
              2. Love is
                Love is 21 July 2017 08: 26
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                If you are more discreet, you will quickly realize that you are wandering in 3 pine trees. State law. And they become enemies of the state for various reasons and are at enmity in different ways. Most often it is disobedience to the laws of the state. For a Christian, a state is one in which a Christian, his family is given the opportunity to attend the temple of God and partake of the Holy Sacraments of Christ. Even if it causes difficulties, as in the USSR. Now about the clergy. Christian clergy. And if they belong to the One Holy Cathedral and Apostolic Church of Christ and the state does not drive and destroy this Church, then their attitude to the state is smooth and the Church does not participate in its life. If the state considers evil part of the clergy not as people, but as priests (priests also commit offenses and are subject to state court), then such a state takes the path of the atheistic. And the Christian prays for reconciliation.
                1. Karabin
                  Karabin 21 July 2017 14: 12
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                  Quote: Love is
                  decided to enter into an imaginary battle with a turned Orthodox clown,

                  Imagine no. I really wanted to get an answer to difficult questions. By the way, you are not the first to whom I ask them. And I do not get a clear answer.
                  For a Christian, a state in which a Christian, his family is given the opportunity to attend the temple of God and to partake of the Holy Sacraments of Christ.

                  That is, if the Christian is deprived of or most difficult to visit and join in the Sacraments, then the state in which he lives is no longer a state for him, and he relieves himself of all or part of the citizen's obligations. That is, it takes the path of sabotage, if not struggle with the state. If the state is not atheistic, such as Nazi Germany, and this state has such laws, according to which inferior nations, communists and other, other are declared enemies, then, according to your logic, the German Christians behaved correctly.
                  So close are the atheistic communist states, where Christians seem to be praying aloof for admonishing the lost and not the atheistic national socialist state, where the Christians are in the system?
                  1. Love is
                    Love is 21 July 2017 14: 45
                    0
                    Think about it. If Christians are forbidden to do their duty to God, then this is persecution of Christians. Most importantly, the quality of a Christian is humility. The Christian will either humble himself and die (in prisons, exiles, camps, near his home) or, by God's will, will leave for another country. Consider the Soviet period. Most of the temples and monasteries were destroyed, thousands of priests were killed, exiled, isolated. Godlessness is booming. Christians either live a secret life or have left. Where did you see Christian riots? Remember your granny or grandfather. They patiently endured the persecution and waited for mercy from God but not from the authorities. About Germany, which is not atheistic you are deeply mistaken. This is the power of the beast. German Lutherans and Catholics with lovely smiles fiercely hate Orthodoxy. As I understand it, the ministry of priests in the occupied territories bothers you, and here you are, not knowing the mission of the priests, being in self-deception. So, as priests served the flock people abandoned by their army. They were punished according to earthly, human laws. There were those who rejoiced at the arrival of the Germans for various reasons. But the priests are not without sin, and not all seven spans in the forehead. However, if you are not too lazy then quickly find out that the Church of Christ helped the Red Army in the fight against the enemy, people, weapons, care, and most importantly prayer. Moreover, how many soldiers of the Red Army left the monasteries after the war and became priests. Leave the party's false teachings. Even if you are an atheist, respect the millions of your compatriots. God help you! Amen
                    1. Karabin
                      Karabin 21 July 2017 22: 20
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                      Quote: Love is
                      About Germany, which is not atheistic you are deeply mistaken.

                      You begin to contradict yourself. The Reich did not blow up the church, did not prohibit service, did not massively repress priests (Pastor Schlagg does not count wink ), had in the Wehrmacht chaplains. The leaders of the Reich used Christian rhetoric- "As a Christian, I must not succumb to deception, but be a fighter for truth and justice ... And daily increasing suffering indicates that we are right in the thirst for action. For I, as a Christian, have a duty to my people."
                      A. Hitler
                      German Lutherans and Catholics with lovely smiles fiercely hate Orthodoxy.

                      But from this they do not cease to be considered Christians. As well as Shiites and Sunnis who do not split each other, they do not cease to be Muslims. Orthodoxy also has a split. And if I didn’t communicate with you, but with a Lutheran, he would also use quotes from the Scriptures as arguments and talk about virtues.
                      Quote: Love is
                      There were those who rejoiced at the arrival of the Germans for various reasons.

                      one can cite dozens of church documents dated 1941-1943 in which the fathers of Russian Orthodoxy (Archimandrite John (Prince Shakhovskoy - “New Word”, No. 27 of 29.06.1941/1942/1), Metropolitan Serafim (Lukyanov) (“Church Life”, 1988, No. 5), All-Belarusian Church Council, Archbishop Filofei (Narco), Bishop Athanasius (Martos), Bishop Stefan (Sevbo) (Science and Religion, 1938, No. 5), Metropolitan Sergius of Lithuania and Lithuania (Voskresensky), Metropolitan Seraphim, Protopresbyter Cyril, Priest Apraksin, chaplains of the ROA (A. Kiselev, K. Zayts, I. Legky and many, many others) "practiced" in praises to Hitler for the attack on the USSR: "The demonic cries of the" International "began to disappear from Russian land "," It will be "Easter in the summer" "," May the hour and day be blessed when the great glorious war with the Third International began. May the Almighty of the Great Leader bless "," The First All-Belarusian Orthodox Church Council in Minsk on behalf of Orthodox Belarusians sends you Mr. Reich chancellor, heartfelt gratitude for the liberation of Belarus from the Moscow-Bolshevik godless yoke "," And there are no words, there are no feelings in which one could pour well-deserved gratitude to the liberators and their Leader Adolf Hitler, who restored freedom of religion there, returned to the faithful the temples of God taken from them and the human form that returns them. ”These are some, note the hierarchs standing above the ordinary priests. And you who are not without sin. Type with whom does not happen. So much for rebellion and betrayal and non-resistance to evil in one bottle. Add here the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Metropolitan Anastasius, representative of the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, thank you letter in connection with the opening of the Berlin Cathedral Church: “It is not only the German people who commemorate you with passionate love and devotion to the Holy See: the best people of all nations, who want peace and justice, see in You are the leader in the world struggle for peace and truth. We know from reliable sources that a believing Russian people, moaning under the yoke of slavery and waiting for its deliverer, constantly offers prayers to God that He will save you, guide you and give you his all-powerful help. Your feat for the German people and the greatness of the German Empire has made you an example worthy of imitation and an example of how to love your people and your homeland, how to stand for your national treasures and eternal values. For even these latter find their sanctification and perpetuation in our Church. You have erected a house for the Heavenly Lord. May He send His blessing to the work of your state building, to the creation of your people's empire. May God strengthen you and the German people in the fight against hostile forces that want the death of our people. May He give you, your country, your Government and the army health, prosperity and all good haste for many years ”(Church Life, 6, No. XNUMX-XNUMX).
                      And you are atheistic Germany. But the hierarch did not think so.
                      June 1941, Archbishop Seraphim addressed the flock with an Appeal: “In Christ, beloved brothers and sisters! The punishing sword of Divine justice fell upon the Soviet government, its minions and like-minded people. The Christ-loving Leader of the German people called on his victorious army to a new struggle, to the struggle that we longed for - to the sanctified struggle against the God-fighters, executioners and rapists, who settled in the Moscow Kremlin ... Truly, a new crusade began in order to save peoples from anti-christ power ... Finally, our faith is justified! .. Therefore, as the first hierarch of the Orthodox Church in Germany, I appeal to you. Be participants in the new struggle, for this struggle and your struggle ... The “Salvation of All”, about which Adolf Hitler spoke in his address to the German people, is also your salvation - the fulfillment of your long-term aspirations and hopes. The last decisive battle has come. God bless the new feat of arms of all anti-Bolshevik fighters and give them victory and victory over their enemies. Amen!".
                      You see how many lives of our soldiers it cost. And how many moved to betrayal. So again, I return to the topic of the supposedly commonality of communism and fascism. The Communists did not refuse the help of the Church, which undoubtedly was, but kept the Church all the same at a decent distance. Keep away from sin. The Nazis used various denominations to the fullest.

                      Quote: Love is
                      Even if you are an atheist, respect the millions of your compatriots.

                      I hope I didn’t offend the believers with the above facts?
                      1. Love is
                        Love is 22 July 2017 11: 52
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                        Frets. Let's go first. I wrote that communism and Nazi fascism, for a Christian, are one field of berries. It has been written by me that a Christian is obliged to protect power because it is from God. More or less, the churched part of the Russian population fought with the Bolshevik troops, such as the Cossacks of all Cossacks, nobles, peasants, priests. Who were the Bolsheviks in their eyes? Lenin the God-hater, blasphemer of God and the Church. Trotsky-Shmotsky and other bloody murderers in leather trousers are generally unclean and ungodly "Psalm of David. The madman said in his heart:" There is no God. "They are corrupted, they have committed vile deeds; there is no one doing good. The Bible says that Dennitsa, the best of the angels, fell into pride and carried away a third of the angels behind them, these are the soldiers and people who supported the Bolsheviks. Dennitsa became Satan, and the departed spirits were demons. Civil War. Thousands of priests destroyed. Temples are being destroyed. The party teaches, there is no God. Terror. You, dear, see a speck in the eye of the Church. Consider your idols. All of your idols are evil. How many Russian people emigrated! And the entire USSR for them is a carrier of evil. For he rejected God. Read my posts above. There the position is clear and understandable.

                        Not knowing the history of Christianity, not knowing the differences between Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, schism. Not understanding the reasons for the appearance of these phenomena, it is difficult for you to understand how Hitler and the Germans consider themselves Christians.
                        Read about this with the Orthodox Church Fathers. Orthodoxy never entered into Eucharistic communion with Protestants and Catholics. And considers them to have fallen into heresy. Grieves for this and prays to God for their return to the fold of Orthodoxy. From which they themselves fell. The Orthodox will not enter the Catholic church or the Lutheran church for joint prayer. So, take a look, and that’s not all.
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                        So the Church betrayed? The life of a soldier ??? And who betrayed you, the Communists in 1941? You and Stalin had 23 thousand tanks, planes and artillery. Why did Hitler get to Moscow, why 3 million prisoners in the first year? By your communist stupidity, a civilian population perished on a wild scale. You called the bloody king. Hypocrites.
                        Which of your idols pleaded guilty and publicly repented with tears and asked for forgiveness from the people ?. NOBODY. In July 41, Stalin even called his people brothers and sisters. And .... Pavlov is to blame for a dozen other duty officers. And Moscow with the icon of the Mother of God did not hesitate to fly around on an airplane. They remembered about God. So a soldier remembers when he is scared and wants to live. In the trenches.
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                        We have a big difference. I know the history of Russia, the history of the USSR, the history of the CPSU, the history of the Church and what CHRISTIANITY is. The fact that you do not know Christianity, I know, that you do not know the history of the Church, the core of the Russian state, I also see. Christianity-SCIENCE !!!! The science of saving the soul and Eternal Life. It is difficult to speak until you have a minimum knowledge of this science. This science has its own professors, the holy fathers of the Ecumenical Orthodox Church.
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                        You consider the Church and Christians as an object useful to the state or harmful. Does the state need it or not. Betray or not. Again in your eyes is the mass. Proletarian masses, peasant masses, fecal masses. You in your blinding forgot that the Church is the core of Russia. It was Faith in God that impoverished the Gentiles, Jesus Christ. The whole history of Russia speaks about this, but you do not see and do not hear. Reject. The party has arrogated to itself the work of the people, the mind of the people, the conscience of the people. And where is your party ??? NO. It fell apart from the inside. One of your idols died in madness, another one got an ice ax from a friend, another was slandered by the next, whom he dragged from power, brought to the handle of the USSR, which was changed by one wounded, the other was completely crazy from old age. And finally your comrade Gorbachev came. Then you know. Comrade Yeltsin changed it. Thank God. As the Church began to strengthen and the people went to the Temple for prayer, it became easier to breathe and work in the country. God, through the prayers of the old and old, will not leave Russia, while at least a small part of the people of Russia serves Him, mercy, love, prayer, fasting.

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                        God in the Trinity the Glorified One, bless you and your loved ones and send the world and the Guardian Angel to your family. Glory be to our God! Father and Son and the Holy Spirit! Now and forever and ever. Amen.
  23. Altona
    Altona 20 July 2017 16: 25
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    However, even here in VO fanatical communists, most often themselves do not fully understand the essence of communism and do not even know that, for example, Marxism and communism are different from each other ..

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    Dear, Marxism is a theory, communism is a social system.. It’s like you’re not too fond of long comments, otherwise you’ll lose your thought. Although I am a small theorist, I do not belong to the Communists; I am generally a supporter of the left movement. Trying to analyze the whole picture of the world. I wish you success. hi
  24. Semenov
    Semenov 20 July 2017 16: 26
    +5
    Communism - one in one "Sermon on the Mount" of Christ. Nazism - concentration camps and gas chambers - the pinnacle of Western civilization. Under Stalin - 870 thousand executed (taking into account the civil and domestic war), under Hitler - tens of millions of killed "subhuman" by industrial means.
    1. Love is
      Love is 20 July 2017 17: 23
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      Refuse the stupid things that are written on the wall in Odnoklassniki! Read the sermon of Christ, or rather the whole gospel.
      1. bulldog
        bulldog 21 July 2017 13: 12
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        Do not believe it - mastered the Old and New Testaments. Jewish stories are either disgusting or boring to discuss. Extremely vile text for example - "The Book of Judges of Israel." Nausea in the throat when reading about Jewish nonhumans. Chikatillo nervously smokes on the sidelines.
        1. Love is
          Love is 21 July 2017 13: 20
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          Some people decided to learn higher mathematics. But he did not go to college. Found a textbook and began to read. I read, read and threw it and went to hammer nails into the fence. For I did not understand, but there is no one to explain. The purpose of your reading of the Bible? She, too, can be different. Try to find out your goal.
          1. bulldog
            bulldog 24 July 2017 11: 55
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            It is expected - you do not want to comment on the vile "Book of Judges of Israel". Let's say how a certain Samson Philistines massively wet and what kind of story there was with Samson's riddle - it is not difficult to read and evaluate. Instead, throw the false theses:
            1. What Christianity is a science. Lies, science is a type of cognitive activity of a person aimed at obtaining, substantiating and systematizing objective knowledge about the world. at the same time, the church has always struggled with science.
            2. The Bolsheviks are not pleasing to you, but you forget that in 1917 all 100% of the population of Russia were churches. So the BAPTIZED people destroyed the churches - there simply were no others.
            3. With special zeal, resurrect the BIKE about the fly around of the icon there is some kind around Moscow. The church is the core of Russia and other nonsense.
            1. Love is
              Love is 24 July 2017 16: 37
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              Good time. Dear man, there is no need to comment on the Book of Judges of Israel. She has long had an explanation. For example, read "Interpretation on the Book of Judges of Israel" by Professor Lopukhin A.P. The Orthodox Church agrees with the professor.
              Further. Christianity is the science of human salvation. It teaches a person how to be saved and achieve the Kingdom of Heaven: the Kingdom of God will not come noticeable "Behold, it is here", or: "Behold, there." For behold, the kingdom of God is within you "(Luke 17: 20-21). Earth sciences teach man to study living on the earth and for the earth. And many scientists absolutely did not reject the existence of God as the Creator. Examine this question and be convinced.
              How the Church struggled with science when Greek monks brought letters to Russia, and Lomonosov was also an Orthodox Christian. Yes, and it was the church that taught as far as possible in Russia and kept records. What is an example of the Church’s struggle with science in Russia? The church denounced pseudoscience and heresy. Your allegations are not proven. It is a myth.
              Further. The baptism of man, the rite of baptism, is not a fact of man becoming a Christian. One of their professors (scholars) of Christianity, the Rev. John Climacus gives this definition to a Christian: “A Christian is one who, as much as possible to a person, imitates Christ with words, deeds and thoughts, rightly and immaculately believing in the Holy Trinity.” (“Ladder or Tablets of the Spiritual,” Word 1, 4) Moreover, God has been given complete freedom to man. Believe or not believe in God and God. Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ, seduced by money. The Lord Jesus Christ, in the parable of the Sower, showed us how a person falls away from God. Read the gospel of Matthew 13: 1-8 and you will see those people from 1917.
              Fly around with the icon of Moscow in December. 1941 is not refuted by anyone. So far, there are speculations. But let it be your way-a myth. But the fact remains that Stalin met with the patriarchal locum tenens Metropolitan Sergius (Stragorodsky) and Metropolitans Alexei (Simansky) and Nikolai (Yarushevich) in September 1943.
              Stalin, who signed the Decree on the Second Five-Year Plan, in which, along with economic indicators, the goal was set: by May 1, 1937, "the name of God must be forgotten in the country."
              Did the idol sense the need for priests? Without them, it somehow did not grow together.
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              It’s not important for you and me. The important thing is which path we will choose in life. Me and you. The only fact in our life that happens without fail and does not depend on us is the death of our bodies. 100% chance. And all earthly things will lose value to us. There are two teachings. There is no life after death, and there is life after death. The humanized God, Jesus Christ, said, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6.47). Earth sciences (many) say there is no eternal life. And here we come to the most important. To personal choice. If we approach this issue from the point of view of risk management, we get a ratio of 50/50. The probability of error is very high and when you consider that the choice is given once, then you need to think hard. What does a believer lose in case of non-existence after death? Nothing. And what does an atheist lose? Eternal life. Heaven and hell. Find out about hell yourself.
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              About myself. After all, I also studied in the Soviet Union, in an atheistic family. He was baptized by the agreement of a friend when a difficult moment came in life. And ... got what was not supposed to happen! God performed a miracle. For something happened that could not happen to me under any earthly laws. Miracle. But, as happens with the ungrateful, I did not remember this for long. He continued to live as he lived. In wickedness, sin, in pride. But God is Love. Heavenly Father did not leave me. Turning around, peering into my life, I see that none of the people, no social system, brought me as much evil as I did to myself. Itself. Studying the gospel, it was revealed to me that the root of all the evils of my life is in me. In my character. In my desires, actions, words. All my actions were contrary to the gospel, feuding with the gospel. Pride, pride, selfishness and other passions. Here is a world evil. And not the bourgeoisie or imperialism. They are only a consequence. Consider your life. And you will see the same thing. And with horror you ask yourself the question, how could I? How many people have I brought misfortune with my owls, deeds, thoughts! And now, having forgotten God, we do and do evil, we don’t see it, we don’t believe that evil is punishable. Evil. It hides where it would seem it should not be. Evil, as the Holy Fathers teach, the lack of good. Everything that is done not with love for one's neighbor, for God is evil. Christ and the gospel teach this. Christ said, “I came to call not the righteous, but sinners to repentance” (Matthew 9, 13). What is repentance ??? We find the answer of the first repentance in the Gospel when Peter renounced Christ three times during the night. "Then he began to swear and swear that he did not know this man. And suddenly he sang a rooster. And Peter remembered the word Jesus said to him: before you crow, you renounce three times Me. And going out, cried bitterly "
              Judas, did not believe in Christ, sinned, did not repent, did not believe in pride in God's mercy, went and strangled himself. So what is repentance? On the wiki, it’s said pretty well. Read.
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              Sorry. It is written a lot. May the Merciful God help you to correctly comprehend what is written. In the Truth. Ask for a miracle for yourself. It is a miracle to see God in everything that surrounds you. In nature, in man, in things. God is much closer to us than we think or not. And he who calls upon the Name of the Lord is saved. Christ is also near you. Will you open your door to him? I pray you. Discover!
              The end. Glory be to our God! Now and forever and ever. Amen.
              1. bulldog
                bulldog 25 July 2017 12: 31
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                What kind of "glory to our God" is - that is, the glory of the hosts of hosts, or Elohim, or Hashem? The names are not ours, God is not ours.
                For people who, according to ancient Jewish tales, came out of Egypt, having previously cleansed the Egyptians (35. And the sons of Israel did according to the word of Moses, and they asked the Egyptians for things of silver and things of gold and clothes. 36. But the Lord gave mercy to His people in the eyes of the Egyptians: and they gave him, and he robbed the Egyptians. (Exodus 12:36) that they still celebrate paisas annually - for them it’s a holiday.
                One thing always surprises me: it says "29. At midnight the Lord struck all the first-born in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of the pharaoh who was sitting on his throne, to the first-born of the prisoner who was in prison, and all the firstborn of cattle. (Exodus 12:29). "CATTLE WHAT SAVED SAOAF FOR? I can’t stand the flies for the spirit.
                1. Love is
                  Love is 25 July 2017 13: 09
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                  Orthodox priests interpret the Book of Exodus chapter 12 as follows.
                  Listen.
                  Our conversation goes into the format of the dispute. I have nothing to argue with you about. You have denied God and our Lord, who is confessed by the Orthodox Church. Your will. For sim hi But in the Gospel there is such a commandment for Christians: “And if someone does not accept you and does not listen to your words, then, leaving your house or city, shake off the dust from your feet; I tell you truly: the land of Sodom and Gomorrah will be more pleasant on the day of judgment rather than the city "(Matthew 10:14) Of all yours, I have not accepted anything and do not agree with you on anything.
                2. bulldog
                  bulldog 25 July 2017 13: 48
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                  E.F. Grekulov. ORTHODOX INQUISITION IN RUSSIA. USSR Academy of Sciences. Publishing House "Science". M .: 1964
          2. bulldog
            bulldog 24 July 2017 12: 16
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            FROM THE MESSAGE OF METROPOLITUS SERAPHIM (LUKYANOV)
            “May the hour and day be blessed when the great glorious war with the Third International began. May God bless the great leader of the German people, who raised his sword against the enemies of God himself ...” (1942)
  25. Altona
    Altona 20 July 2017 16: 29
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    Quote: Love is
    Communism and fascism of one field berry. From the point of view of a Christian. Both are utopian regimes. For they rejected God, His commandments. They strive to build societies with ideas foreign to Christianity, the gospel. Both teachings have a superman.

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    My friend, are you kushamshi today? Ali in your sect do not feed? What scripture do you follow? Often go to church, confess to priest, have you been to communion for a long time? Donate money to the parish, or have all the property of the church been unsubscribed? Good luck to you, good, love! hi
    1. Love is
      Love is 20 July 2017 17: 38
      +2
      Thank God! Fed up with your prayers, dressed and shod! To the same, I ask God every Sunday for you, at the Liturgy in the church. I take communion to the best of my ability, which I also wish for you. And sacrifice money as much as I can. Our parish, Glory to God is not poor, and the temple is landscaped. On Sundays, two Liturgies are served, the earliest at 6.30 and the late at 8.30. There are many people. Well, you still have to write. Yeah. Just recently, a new priest began to serve with us (pop in your opinion). Yes! I completely forgot. Prices. Candle prices are different. Starting from 8 rub. up to 200, it seems. Submit a note of peace or health (mass) 25 rub. each one. Holy water and prosphora free. Come pray. We will wait for you. Christ save you! Guardian Angel to you and your loved ones! hi
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 20 July 2017 22: 51
        +7
        Thank God! Your prayers.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 20 July 2017 22: 56
        +8
        Military review turns into religious? No, perhaps, sites for people like you? Warrior of the church, damn it. laughing
        1. Love is
          Love is 21 July 2017 08: 55
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          Sorry. But I’m a citizen of Russia, a military man. And I expressed a position on the issue. Another person entered into communication. Are you complaining? Every Christian is a warrior of the church and his state. So you're not mad at me.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 24 July 2017 12: 41
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            Quote: Love is
            Are you complaining? Every Christian warrior of the church and his state

            Yes? And why such stupidity?
            Would you go to the site .. for example ... http: //www.patriarchia.ru and debated there, it would be appropriate.
            And so, every nenophyte, holier than the pope’s dad and, therefore, in his fanaticism, understands nothing in history or in the events of the time, but he memorized by knocking his forehead on the porch and repeating as a mantra the stupidity that Taldych for example, Smirnov, is not the owner of the site , namely, pop, repeats exactly what is beneficial for the West in splitting the country. What kind of warrior are you and who needs your so-called "ministry"? Your syllable is not military., most likely from neophyte churchmen.
            1. Love is
              Love is 24 July 2017 18: 22
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              Thank. From your written, I realized 1. that you consider me stupid (there is no such thing as a stupid one because it is nonsense), let it be your way. 2 That you do not adhere to Christian doctrine. That you do not need the teachings of priests. Consider the priest Smirnov a servant of the West. 2 My Christian beliefs you are disgusting to you and you want me to clean. Well. I'm not offended. God will forgive and I forgive. But if you carefully read the branch, you will see that I am not imposing anything on anyone. Expressing his position on the article, he only answered questions and appeals. I didn’t ask for your opinion either. You yourself decided to pour it out. Further. Your conclusions about my identity are wrong. Now imagine. We are under fire (ambushed by the DRG) will you shoot me immediately, lying next to you, and firing at the enemy? Well, like, here's a ... Orthodox bed. AND? Dear, enemies in your head. They surround you. Run them away first. How? And here you can find out here
              And then already drive me from the forum. A simple Russian man, a father of two children (a boy and a girl) living in Russia, serving Russia and ready to lay down his life for Russia. The grandfathers of which are order-bearing front-line soldiers (Kingdom to them is Heaven) A retired colonel-parent, brother, lieutenant colonel of the air defense forces and also Orthodox. Chase me for the Name of Christ? Well, so Christ Himself said that He was persecuted, they will persecute Christians as well. I am not surprised. My feeling for you is pity. You definitely don’t need it from me. So go in peace. But if you have painful, unsolvable questions on your own, person-to-person relationships, ask. With God's help and the gospel, we will find the answer. Suddenly you will come in handy, you look and protect your face from Fingal, for louts usually rake. Forgive me if that, we are such neophytes. Straightforward. God enlighten and calm your heart! hi
  26. Altona
    Altona 20 July 2017 16: 38
    +4
    Quote: ignoto
    Historians, and especially political scientists, distinguish four varieties of fascism

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    Especially for suckers, they completely split up a single concept for themselves and produce entities. Do not carry this nonsense to the masses. Fascism is essentially the same everywhere, only taking into account local specifics. And you yourself did not define anything by your definitions. And there is no "unity of society to achieve a great goal." There is a single fooling of society under fascism by the most infamous propaganda, and through this some kind of mobilization seems to be like. And the construction of National Socialism still comes from external sources, Western banks and slave labor from the occupied territories. The USSR did not seize territories to enslave anyone; on the contrary, it developed all its outlying areas, even to the detriment of the central regions.
  27. Iskander
    Iskander 20 July 2017 19: 20
    +1
    [quote = Altona] [quote = ignoto] The USSR did not seize territories to enslave anyone, on the contrary, it developed all its outlying districts, even to the detriment of the central regions. [/ quote]
    at different times in different ways, the USSR of Lenin and Trotsky is one country, the USSR Koba is another.
    I’m not sure that Marx, Engels or Parvus personally wished me happiness, but I’m very glad that I had to live in the era of developed socialism ... (although I didn’t understand this then)
    post-Soviet mentality still plays a good role ...
    a sense of security, confidence in the future, freedom from exhausting labor on the toilet and dumping of thoughtless consumption imposed by society ...
    a blissful life without intrusive advertising, the freest mind possible, diving into all sorts of circles and hobbies, and good naivety and faith in bright ideals, a blissful life ....
    Unfortunately, you cannot return all this, and don’t ...
    it was not viable, the poor elite sold for pennies, the constant idiocy of a non-working Marxist-Leninist ideology should not be reanimated ...
    it’s not worth it to drip in fascism ...
    post-Soviet society should be free and unite around the four main values ​​of the embodied soul: kama, artha, dharma and moksha ...
    here, as in the legend: the less lies - the more durable and harmonious society!
    the Russian world, enriched with the gifts of the post-Soviet mentality, has a healthy burp on all sorts of ideologies and building bright future ...
    the idea of ​​a Slavophil, esoteric crap about the struggle of the light forces with the dark usurers is also very stupid and unsightly ...
    evil is inside, not outside .....
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 21 July 2017 18: 40
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      So I agree, in many ways, but:
      post-Soviet society should be free and unite around the four main values ​​of the embodied soul: kama, artha, dharma and moksha ...
      It must, brrrrr, but let's take the first step from the beginning, which should not. And for a start we delve into fascism. Where do the legs grow from, who is the customer, for what purpose, who is the performer?
      here, as in the legend: the less lies - the more durable and harmonious society!
      Not a tactful question: did you read what you wrote? And where did this pearl come from?
      The words are beautiful, but delusional. Where is the legend and where is the society? From the tree you need to go down to walk on the ground. And from the tree all roads are smooth.
  28. mahoney
    mahoney 21 July 2017 17: 44
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    What kind of myth is this?
  29. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 July 2017 18: 07
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    Who needs the myth that “Nazism and communism are almost the same”
    Second, that myth is naturally interested in all those who are now against communism,
    PUNCTURE. Sovereign order must be fulfilled with a cold head. You agreed on GDP, what kind of communism is it? Because if he is against him, then he is on the way with very ugly people.
    And if he is for, then let's build, we do not mind.
  30. LCA
    LCA 21 July 2017 19: 30
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    Communism is a community of people based on conscience: everything else in communism is a consequence of the unity of conscience among different people.
    Conscience - a sense of the Universal Measure in the part not related to God's Permission; in other words, it is a connection with God who is.
    Conscience and shame are two means that allow an individual to become a person.

    The terms “the kingdom of God on Earth”, “socialism”, “communism” characterize the society of the future, in which the human structure of the psyche is recognized by everyone as the only normal one and which is reproduced in the succession of generations as quantitatively suppressing all other types of the psyche and dominant structure.
  31. LCA
    LCA 21 July 2017 19: 35
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    The objective laws that govern the life of human society (both in terms of ensuring security and in terms of various kinds of security threats and the known harmfulness of certain types of activities) can be divided into six categories.

    In each of them, the laws have one or another effect on each other, as well as on the laws of other categories, since the World is one and whole:

    1. Humanity is part of the biosphere, and there are objective laws governing the interaction of the biosphere and Cosmos, the formation of biocenoses and the interaction of biological species within the biosphere.

    2. Humanity is a specific biological species, and there are specific biological (physiological and psychological) species laws that govern its life.

    3. There are moral and ethical (noospheric, egregorial and religious) laws governing the relationship between the owners of reason and will. And contrary to the opinion of many, the laws of this category go beyond the limits of human society, and ethics dictated from hierarchically higher levels in the organization of various kinds of systems are obligatory for hierarchically lower levels and deviation from its norms is punishable.

    Accordingly, the apostasy from righteousness - morality inherent in the Almighty - is the main moral and philosophical cause of the biosphere-social ecological crisis.

    4. The culture that mankind genetically predetermines is varied, and there are sociocultural patterns, following which guarantees the stability of society in the continuity of generations, and their violation can lead to its disappearance during the life of several generations under the influence of degradation processes.

    5. The historically established culture of all societies of the current global civilization is such that we are forced to defend ourselves against the natural environment by the technosphere. The technosphere is reproduced and developed in the course of economic and financial activities, and there are financial and economic laws that determine both the development of socio-economic formations and their degradation and collapse.

    6. All this together can lead to conflicts of interest and conflicts of different types of activities, the resolution of which must be managed. And there are objective laws of management that are common to all management processes, whether it is a baby riding a tricycle or a complex project implemented by several states on the principles of private-state partnership.

    The question is: Which of the deputies of various levels and senators are able to talk about them and how the draft laws being developed and the approved laws are consistent with them?
    The answer to this question is sad: No one.

    But in reality the situation will be even worse: They will not even understand what they are being asked about. "Elite" ... - how to put it in a politically correct way.
    Accordingly, none of them will be able to answer an alternative question: How do these laws be violated in bills and adopted laws?
  32. Iskander
    Iskander 21 July 2017 21: 42
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    Quote: Mavrikiy
    So I agree, in many ways, but:

    Must brrrrr

    It should in the sense that if there is a desire to do business effectively ... there are objective ones, let's say this: force majeuresuch as economic inequality between Russia and the West, cultural and intellectual superiority, a well-established highly effective system of functioning of all kinds of social, state, political, economic structures and mechanisms, Russia is only taking its first steps, though quite successfully ... but this is not enough, we need a resource , a resource for growth, boundless Russian spaces and Indian overpopulation - these are two minuses that can give a plus by connecting ...., in the age of interpenetration, ulturs must be built on an adequate foundation, and not on the broken bricks of ideologies, imperial ambitions, cheers - patriotism and other elements from the set of loser on duty ..., for this it is very important to soberly assess the situation, without self-deception, it is important to see everything in the true light, without self-hypnosis and stupid ambitions

    Not a tactful question: did you read what you wrote? And where did this pearl come from?
    The words are beautiful, but delusional. Where is the legend and where is the society? From the tree you need to go down to walk on the ground. And from the tree all roads are smooth.
    read ... and thought a lot about it before coming to such conclusions ...
    it is important to play chess so that even understanding what you are doing - not to leave the ill-wishers the opportunity to oppose ...., as long as you don’t arm a natural ally, it won’t get any worse ...
    at critical moments it is important to see your opportunity, to act not trivially, to see the resource and to be able to abandon remnants, and of course without dullness, no matter how trivial it sounds, but fools are worse than bad roads, you can build roads, and you can’t easily cope with fools

    fascine, imperial ambitions, the search for justice ...- esoteric crap ... - all this is perishable! mind is a good friend!
  33. Iskander
    Iskander 21 July 2017 21: 54
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    Quote: LCA

    Conscience is a connection with God who is.


    you speak the truth, but the voice of conscience is often drowned out, there are a lot of jammers ...
    for example, excessive energy from zealous austerities (absorption in the mode of passion)
    - the bitter truth that the mode of passion can give enormous energy, intoxicate with power
    "the meek shall inherit the earth, but not the natural resources that are in it"
    a society based on the four values ​​of the embodied soul, Kama, Artha, Dharma and Moksha - the basis of harmony, without lies and exploitation, without forced labor for the promise of a bright future ...


  34. Awaz
    Awaz 22 July 2017 08: 54
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    Unfortunately, everything works for them ... Moreover, all this is clearly anti-Russian (and anti-Soviet in particular) hysteria. Recently in Hungary, our fan was not allowed in a T-shirt with the inscription of the USSR, explaining that red stars are forbidden to them, but no one touches the Chinese with red flags and the same red and sickle-hammer stars.
  35. eklmn
    eklmn 23 July 2017 03: 35
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    “Who needs the myth that“ Nazism and communism are almost the same thing? ”
        Nobody needs the myth, because this is not a myth at all - it is a terrible reality. In terms of the number of deaths of their own citizens of Germany and the USSR from their own regimes, there is nothing worse. It is these millions of dead that unite these regimes.
  36. Iskander
    Iskander 23 July 2017 13: 13
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    the myth is always needed and always in demand and well paid ...)))
    and the myth of the demonization of the USSR is born and is expanding so that a happier life is possible in the post-Soviet space))) so that the fraternal peoples unite and prosper, attract prosperity!
    for this, embroidered shirts and bast shoes are promoted and loincloths, for this, high ideals of Basmachism and authenticity are revived with the Middle Ages, they are planted, the languages ​​that had time to die out without being born are remembered, controlled chaos is planted ..)))
  37. seacap
    seacap 23 July 2017 13: 53
    +1
    It’s enough to humiliate and stigmatize, humiliate the leaders, kings and emperors of our long-suffering Motherland, who have multiplied our territories and peoples, created and built a great power that exists for a millennium, already at the filing of the West and our liberals working to destroy the people and the country. to follow in the fresh footsteps and name those ghouls who destroyed it, sold it for 30 silver coins, changing the oath, destroying and destroying our heritage, history, depriving the future of a great country of her children, washing them with brains, while eating sweetly and sleeping softly, sucking out funds of the same damned power, despising their people.
  38. bulldog
    bulldog 25 July 2017 11: 47
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    Quote: Love is
    How the Church fought science when Greek monks brought letters to Russia

    This point is always immensely amusing. The stubborn belief that the ANCIENT Greek monks alone at that time possessed secret knowledge - writing.
    Writing arose in the Bronze Age, 3500 years before our era, which we are perfectly informed by the science of archeology. At that time, copper ore was already mined, bronze was melted very well (melting point 1000 degrees) and tools and weapons were made from it.
    And by the way - for some reason, for example, the inhabitants of modern Carpathians do not beat their heels in the chest, assuring that they gave the whole world a bronze ax, although the existence of the Balkan-Carpathian metallurgical province is a historical fact. Residents of the steppes of the Don and Dnieper do not say that their ancestors invented the wheel. And only the stubborn descendants of the Semites and people of other tribes who accepted their faith - stubbornly reiterate their "merit" - "letters".
  39. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 July 2017 14: 33
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    For the sect of "liberals" or for the world financial oligarchy (it is one and the same thing) Nazism is much better. They created it and nurtured it to humiliate communism, and he raised a hand to his masters. Like Islamists today.
  40. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 July 2017 14: 50
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    Quote: eklmn
    “Who needs the myth that“ Nazism and communism are almost the same thing? ”
        Nobody needs the myth, because this is not a myth at all - it is a terrible reality. In terms of the number of deaths of their own citizens of Germany and the USSR from their own regimes, there is nothing worse. It is these millions of dead that unite these regimes.

    In terms of the number of people killed, the British Empire surpassed not only the USSR, but also Nazi Germany. The United States and Australia have destroyed almost all of their indigenous people. By the number of exterminations of civilians in other countries of the United States an unattainable leader. These hundreds of millions of dead are united by the British Empire, the United States and their less deadly likeness - Nazi Germany. They are united by the dominance of the financial oligarchy and capitalism. The only difference is that Nazi Germany wanted the domination of the German oligarchy in the world.