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American Aid to Israel: When, How, and Why?

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American Aid to Israel: When, How, and Why?



Somehow it is already generally accepted that the United States has always been the main partner of all of Israel - its advocate, protector, and constantly stood on the side of Israel. This view is not entirely correct. This was not always the case, and reality is much more complicated. Relations between the United States and Israel are not so clear. If this is friendship, then the other’s arms are so strong that they can suffocate. If this is love, then love is lordly. And with an unwavering hand, a friend often pushes Israel toward a goal that suits America and does not suit Israel ...

To begin with, let's do without the myth that without the grace of the US government, Israel could never stand against its much more numerous and better armed enemies. In the first decades after the creation of Israel in 1948, the United States was more of an enemy than a friend, usually taking the side of Israel’s Arab neighbors, whose oil wealth was important to the United States, and also to keep them outside the Soviet sphere of influence.

The case was as follows: while in 1947, at the UN, backstage talks on dividing the Palestinian territory were still being held, almost all of the staff US State Department were against the creation of a Jewish state. Influential politicians and government officials called on the US president, Harry Truman, not to take any practical steps to create two states in Palestine: they say, the idea will die by itself.


Harry Truman - 33 US President


First of all, the popular politician, the hero of the recent war, who became the US Secretary of State, General George Marshall, opposed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine.


This is the one George Marshallauthor of famous "Marshal's Plan" - assistance programs that raised Europe in a short time from the ruins after World War II.


Marshall feared that the obvious support of the Jewish state would lead the USSR to act as an ally to the Arab countries and gain wide access to the region. In addition, many Americans were convinced that the creation of Israel was an action of the Soviet Union, that the power in Israel was in the hands of the leftists and the communists, that a communist state was created there that was dangerous for the United States. Therefore, to support Israel in any case is impossible.

The conflict between Truman and Marshall on this issue threatened to escalate into a government crisis. However, the growth of scandal was avoided. Truman insisted on his decision to support the creation of Israel. The influence of the Jewish community in the United States, whose votes Truman wanted to enlist on the eve of the 1948 presidential election of the year, and the fact that Truman was a southern Baptist and had some religious sympathy for Jews, played a significant role here.

This did not prevent him from 5 December 1947, a few days after the UN General Assembly adopted the partitioning plan, imposing an arms embargo on the Middle East, and banning the issuance of passports to people who want to serve in the armed forces not subordinate to the US government. So the government did not allow the American Jews to help their fellow fighters in Palestine. (Despite this, almost 1000 American volunteers participated in the war of independence on the side of Israel.) Although the embargo was formally extended to Arabs as well as Jews, American weapons worth millions of dollars were given to Arabs before the new measures came into force . All Western Allies followed suit and started selling. weapon the Arabs.

One of the most vehement opponents of the creation of Israel was US Secretary of Defense James Forrestal.


This is the one James forrestal - 1-th US Secretary of Defense, which a year after the described events will be thrown out of the window of the 16 floor with a shout: “Russians are coming !!!”.

21 January 1948 of the Year Forrestal wrote a memorandum that analyzed the threat to America’s national security from engaging her in a Palestinian adventure. He warned that one could permanently ruin relations with the Arab world, get involved in a war, etc. Forrestal told President Truman:
“You just don’t understand that forty million Arabs will push four hundred thousand Jews into the sea.” And that's the point. Oil - we should be on the side of oil. ”


Well, the State Department’s planning department has prepared a memorandum in which the main conclusion was generally the following: the partition plan for Palestine is practically impossible ...

In the 1956 year, after Egypt blocked the delivery of goods to Israel and seized the Suez Canal, an international waterway owned by Britain and France, the three countries jointly invaded Egypt to regain their rights. ("Suez crisis") Although US President Dwight Eisenhower acknowledged that “serious and repeated provocations” from Egypt led to the invasion, he decided to gain the friendship of the Arab world, forcing the invaders to retreat, thereby supporting the USSR’s ultimatum on Israel to cease hostilities immediately.


Dwight D. Eisenhower - 34 US President


Eisenhower threatened Israel with exclusion from the UN, adding weight to its demands by voicing them in a radio and television message to the American people from the White House ...

The attitude of the United States to Israel began to change, and then military assistance began only after the United States realized that Israel had already created a sufficiently powerful military industry capable of withstanding Arab ambitions, that Israel had built powerful armed forces that give a chance to undermine the influence of the USSR in the Middle East.

Now, let's move from politics to money.
The first two decades since the formation of the State of Israel, relations between the countries were obviously formal. This is evidenced by economic indicators: in 1949, the United States provided the first loan to Israel in the amount of 100 million dollars, and the size of annual loans remained almost unchanged for 20 years, with 95% of this aid being food supplies and economic aid.


The reasons lie in the geopolitical alignment of forces for that period. At that time, France was the main exporter of food and weapons to Israel. This is due to the fact that from 1954 to 1962 year she led a grueling war against algeriawho sought independence. Algeria’s main ally in this struggle was Nasser Egypt, where pan-Arabism’s slogans reached the peak of their popularity. Therefore, France decided to fully support the country neighboring with Egypt - Israel, in every way playing on the Arab-Israeli contradictions and diverting the attention and strength of Egypt to preserve military parity with the young Jewish state.

Relations between the two countries were further strengthened after the Suez crisis, when joint actions by France, Israel and Britain caused more than a cold reaction in Washington. However, in the 1960-s, Charles de Gaulle came to power in France, who decides to “reset” the Franco-Arab relations.


President of France Sharl De Goll


This concerned the satisfaction of the Algerian demands for independence and the strengthening of relations with other Arab countries. The victim of such a policy fell close French-Israeli cooperation. In 1967, France imposed an arms embargo on the Jewish state ...

After Six-Day war the rearmament of the army began, for which Israel spent more money than was spent over all previous 19 years of the state’s existence. To implement such an ambitious project, the country urgently needed financial assistance for the purchase of modern weapons.

Israel’s victory in the Six-Day War convinced the US government of the need to cooperate with the Jewish state. Cooperation could be beneficial for the United States, and help itself turned into an instrument of influence on Israel. Soon after, the US became the main arms supplier to Israel. For Washington, the essence of such assistance was to undermine the influence of the USSR in the Middle East.

In 1968, the administration Lyndon johnson approved the sale to Israel of a party of ultramodern, at that time, aircraft Phantom F-4That was the first signal to warming relations.

In the 1969 year, assistance in the amount of 160,3 million dollars was allocated. In 1971, the volume of aid increased immediately by several times and amounted to $ 634,3 million. Since then, the amount has been regularly reserved in the US budget to help Israel.
The second sharp rise occurred after the Doomsday War. In 1974, the United States provided a military grant of $ 982,7 million and for the first time provided a military loan of $ 1,5 billion.

Economic support has been transformed - instead of financing individual projects, the United States is introducing the Commodity Import Program (CIP), aimed at purchasing American goods. (This program was replaced by untied financial assistance only in the 1979 year, which has become more convenient for Israel.)

In 1974, Israel becomes the largest recipient of US aid, later this volume was exceeded only by Iraq and Afghanistan. In 1971 – 1973, the amount of US aid to Israel was already about 0,5 billion dollars, and since 1974 has exceeded 1 billion dollars, with 2 / 3 already falling to military aid.


Further, the amounts continued to increase. From 1975 to 1980, the United States provided economic grants worth 2,9 billion to Israel. Together with loans, this amounted to $ 4,7 billion. About a billion a year - it covered about 45% of Israel’s negative balance of payments.

In the 1980-1984 years, the United States switched exclusively to irrevocable financing, providing Israel with another $ 3,2 billion. In just 14 years - from 1970 to 1984 - Israel received economic loans and grants in the amount of $ 8 billion.

Since 1985, the United States has not given more loans to Israel, but has completely switched to irrevocable financing of military expenses and covering losses associated with the operation of an overgrown military complex.

Over the 11 years, from 1985 to 1996, the United States provided military assistance in the amount of $ 19,3 billion and economic aid in the amount of $ 18,8 billion. In the period from 1997 to 2002, the US allocated military grants in the amount of $ 12,5 billion. In 2000, the amount of aid for the first time exceeded $ 3 billion, amounting to $ 3,1 billion.

The economic component of US aid to Israel has steadily declined since the middle of the 1990-ies, until it was finally driven out of the aid structure.

Currently, the bulk of funding comes from military assistance programs.

Some of the weapons and military equipment of the United States are transferred to Israel on a grant basis as part of the Excess Defense Articles Transfer Program. The program allows the United States after the end of the Cold War to get rid of used equipment, the utilization and further use of which in the United States is associated with high costs. For 10 years - from 2001 to 2011 a year - Israel received weapons and military equipment worth more than 330 million dollars.

What is the purpose of the United States, arming Israel over the past 40 years? The official US doctrine in this regard uses the term Qualitative Military Edge (QME), which refers to Israel’s minimum sustained military superiority over neighboring Arab countries in the Middle East. In practice, this is that Israel annually receives about 3 billion US dollars of military aid, Egypt - 1,3 billion dollars, Jordan - 0,3 billion dollars. At the same time, the volume of supplies of weapons and military equipment of the USA to the Persian countries is also taken into account. the gulf.

Maintaining such a dynamic equilibrium allows not to disturb the regional balance of power, as well as to “tie” the countries of the region with the United States. If one of the countries (Israel or Arab countries) violates the truce with its neighbors and loses the favor of the United States, while others maintain good relations with the United States, then in the next fiscal year the “obedient” country receives a new tranche of military aid and modernizes its weapons, and the “naughty” country remains with outdated weapons. According to some experts, this financial structure is the foundation of peace in the Middle East. In addition, economic assistance helped moderate regimes resist the growth of radicalism in their countries. In other words, America preferred to allocate funds to these countries instead of keeping its troops there.

In fact, it is beneficial for the United States to support all parties to the conflict in the Middle East (Israel and the Arab countries) in the belief that American military assistance will last forever. It is no coincidence, for example, in 2007 between the governments of the United States and Israel that the 10-Year Military Aid Agreement was concluded, which governed the relationship at the current stage. It was a $ 10 bil- lion assistance package, accepted by the administration Bush Junior. According to this agreement, it was planned to increase annual aid volumes from $ 2,55 billion to $ 3.1 billion in 2013. In the United States, Israel is trying to acquire mainly precision-guided weapons and fighters for this money, and simply buy the rest with the funds of the planned defense budget.


McDonnell Douglas F-15I "Ra'am" ("Thunder") in service with the Israeli Air Force. The main differences from the serial and export modifications: a complete set of Israeli-made avionics, fitness for local-made ammunition


It is noteworthy that, until recently, 26.3% of aid Israel could spend on the purchase of weapons of its own production. Such privileges were no longer any of the countries cooperating with the United States. It seems that having your own R & D and the production of weapons and military equipment is a kind of guarantee of the existence of Israel as a state. It would be short-sighted to limit ourselves to purchasing and receiving foreign military equipment. This is most clearly seen in the example of US assistance in creating the Israeli missile defense system.


In addition to the procurement of short-range tactical missile defense systems Hawk (MIM-23 HAWK) and "Patriot", with the financial support of the United States, Israel has developed its own short-range missile defense system "Iron dome". This system is developed entirely in Israel by "Rafael Advanced Defense Systems". The system was adopted for service and successfully showed itself during the operation. Cloud Pillar и "Unbreakable rock".

Israel plans to export the system to South Korea, Singapore and India.

The United States is increasing funding for the creation of small and medium-range missile defense "Sling of David". The development of the system is carried out by the already mentioned Israeli company "Rafael Advanced Defense Systems" together with the American "Raytheon".

Finally, in collaboration with the American corporation "Boeing", a project is underway to develop medium and long-range missile defense systems "Arrow" (modifications of 2 and 3). The overall management of this project is provided by the Israeli Ministry of Defense in cooperation with the United States Agency for Missile Defense.


There are a number of reservations regarding the use of US military aid: for example, the United States harshly curbs any attempts to re-export its military aid to third countries. The possibility of re-exporting US weapons is in principle one of the most sensitive issues in US-Israeli cooperation. The United States, in fact, froze the planned Chinese-Israeli and Russian-Israeli partnership in the military sphere. The transaction on the acquisition by India of the Arrow missile defense system was also blocked due to the fact that it uses American developments.

In order to control re-exports, a bilateral agreement was signed in 2005, which included Israel’s consultations with the United States in the event Israel’s possible supply of “sensitive weapons” to third countries. For its part, the Jewish state created its own agency that controls the export of weapons.

The agreement between the United States and Israel, signed on September 14, 2016, many consider historical. Indeed, within the framework of this document, Washington will provide military assistance to the Jewish state for $ 38 billion. The agreement guarantees the unprecedented amount of military assistance that Israel will receive in the next 10 years. This is the largest military aid package ever provided by the United States to any country.

Currently, the United States is the guarantor of economic stability and military security of Israel. The United States has repeatedly in the world political arena, the UN has proved its loyalty to Israel, protecting it from the attacks of numerous enemies. The economic motives of the community of little Israel and the mighty world power are closely intertwined politically.

The American government is not faced with the question of whether to help Israel in the difficult and unpredictable conditions prevailing today in the world economy and the region of the Middle East. Surveys show support for the government by the American people: 63% of Americans support Israel in the Arab-Israeli confrontation. However, 59% of Americans approved a reduction in US aid abroad (including Israel). Therefore, the United States raises the question: what to give money? Today, the stake is on the armament of Israel, but analysts of the Research Service at the US Congress note that in the foreseeable future we can talk about investing money in diplomatic methods, in particular, to help Arab countries neighboring Israel, to reduce social pressure and influence Islamist forces.

Indeed, $ 38 billion is the record amount in the history of US military transactions. However, in exchange for receiving such an amount, Israel had to make a number of concessions. So, Israel for the period of validity of the agreement (10 years) undertook not to request additional assistance. Also, the funds provided by the United States can no longer be spent on financing the Israeli defense industry instead of purchasing American weapons.

In this regard, the question arises: does American aid to Israel really be necessary? After all, Israel’s refusal of American assistance would have strengthened Israeli industry and contributed to economic growth. Thousands of jobs in the United States created at the expense of US military aid to Israel would have passed to the Israelis. Waiver of the right to spend more than 25% of military aid inside the country is a serious loss of jobs.

Yes, there are quite a few critics in the current US-Israeli aid programs. And if the Americans criticize the unnecessary expenses that, in their opinion, are made by the American government, the Israelis criticize American aid for other reasons.

First, Israel is overly dependent on the United States and, in the event of a sharp reduction in aid flows, it may experience foreign policy and domestic political turmoil. There is a precedent: during the operation “Enduring Rock”, Barack Obama informally imposed an embargo on the delivery of missiles of a certain class to Israel. Obama also temporarily banned flights of American commercial aircraft landing at Ben Gurion Airport, thus threatening the Israeli economy. These steps were taken by Obama to coerce Israel into accepting Hamas peace terms.

Second, critics argue that most of what Israel receives from America in the form of assistance can be purchased from other suppliers at much lower prices. At one time, there were demands to buy American products, even in the case when funding comes from Israeli domestic sources. Thus, the order for Airbus civilian aircraft, which are much cheaper than American ones, was canceled, forcing Israelis to purchase Boeings, Israel abandoned its own development program for the Lavi fighter. Under US pressure, the project was curtailed in favor of F-16.


Fighter Prototype "Lavi"created by IAI


Finally, the Israeli military-industrial complex is seriously export-oriented (Israel takes 8 (!) A place in the world in arms exports), since American goods "push" Israeli weapons and military equipment from the local market.

In conclusion, I will give a few more figures.
Israeli defense spending in 2016 was 5,8% of GDP, and in 1990 was 17,5%.
This does not mean that defense spending has more than tripled, just GDP has increased. For example, Israel’s per capita GDP from 2005 to 2014 increased 1,67 times. US military aid (about $ 3 billion) makes up just over 1% of GDP.


US military aid, as a share of Israel’s national GDP, by year.


If Israel maintained military spending in 1990 at the level of 17,5% of GDP, then, as critics of US military aid believe, it will withstand just over 6% without any particular problems.

Sources:
Degterev, DA, Stepkin, E. A. American Aid to Israel: Origins, Structure, Dynamics. Department of World Economy MGIMO (University), Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia. (Tables and numerical data)
American Military Assistance to Israel and the Future of the Qualitative Military Edge concept at the MGIMO Center for Military Policy Studies (Analytics)
Wikipedia articles ...
etc.
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 18 July 2017 06: 40
    +9
    Large-scale review. It was nice to read.
    1. corporal
      corporal 18 July 2017 09: 38
      +1
      accounted for 1916 in year 5,8% of GDP

      So in the text. Alexander correct.
      Waiver of the right to spend more than 25% of military aid inside the country is a serious loss of jobs.

      And what your government was not indignant, or waiting for when voters will be indignant?
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      2. A. Privalov
        18 July 2017 09: 52
        +9
        Quote: Corporal
        accounted for 1916 in year 5,8% of GDP

        So in the text. Alexander correct.
        Waiver of the right to spend more than 25% of military aid inside the country is a serious loss of jobs.

        And what your government was not indignant, or waiting for when voters will be indignant?



        Of course, you are right. recourse Should read: "2016% of GDP in 5,8 year" . Unfortunately, after the publication I cannot edit the text. No.

        The government makes such decisions based on some economic considerations. Apparently, at the moment, nothing terrible happens. Unemployment is not increasing, there is no inflation, orders from the military industry are there, start-ups in high-tech fly away like hotcakes. Further, it will be clear.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 15 2018 14: 05
          +1
          About Forrestal - a slight exaggeration. The Russians are coming — he had it a little earlier, and before suicide he left a note with an excerpt from the tragedy of Sophocles Ajax. In addition, any additional programs of assistance to the same Egypt, which do not deal specifically with military funding, are not taken into account. From 1982 to 1997, the year (according to the US Congress) American aid to Egypt amounted to 49 billion dollars. That is about 3,2 billion dollars a year. Well, there are a few more remarks about the fact that the main aid came after the return of the Sinai Peninsula (one of the richest in natural resources, oil, etc.). And the rest - a very sensible and competent article.
          1. A. Privalov
            April 15 2018 14: 24
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            About Forrestal - a slight exaggeration. The Russians are coming — he had it a little earlier, and before suicide he left a note with an excerpt from the tragedy of Sophocles Ajax. In addition, any additional programs of assistance to the same Egypt, which do not deal specifically with military funding, are not taken into account. From 1982 to 1997, the year (according to the US Congress) American aid to Egypt amounted to 49 billion dollars. That is about 3,2 billion dollars a year. Well, there are a few more remarks about the fact that the main aid came after the return of the Sinai Peninsula (one of the richest in natural resources, oil, etc.). And the rest - a very sensible and competent article.

            Thanks for the constructive comments. Glad you liked my article. hi
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 18 July 2017 14: 42
      +2
      Help the owner to rob others, and he will unfasten your life. laughing Now the Poles have requested such assistants.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 20 July 2017 12: 38
      0
      In the event that one of the countries (Israel or the Arab countries) violates the ceasefire with its neighbors and loses favor with the United States, while others maintain good relations with the United States, then in the next fiscal year, the "obedient" country will receive a new tranche of military assistance and will modernize its armaments, and the "naughty" country remains with obsolete armaments.
      ---- How did Syria get out? -THE USSR? or other friends?
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 July 2017 07: 23
    0
    American aid to Israel: when, how and why?

    Always, with money and lobbying for interests. But why - this is a question. Obviously, to solve their problems and achieve their goals.
  3. ronnon
    ronnon 18 July 2017 09: 17
    0
    In the current situation, in this matter, he is in charge of Trump's son-in-law, a native of an influential Jewish family.
    1. A. Privalov
      18 July 2017 09: 57
      +7
      In the current situation, the issue is closed for the next 10 years. Individuals, even those close to the president, have no special influence on such issues. The decision was made by Congress, and it is not so easy to move it. Is it worth it?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 15 2018 14: 06
        0
        In this case, the Congress has the right to independently conduct additional funding (as was the case with the LCD).
  4. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 July 2017 10: 40
    +10
    The question is not the help of the USA or France. Israel very effectively used all the resources available to it to develop its independent military-technical potential.
    The Arab countries have a financial resource by orders of magnitude better, but they have not been able to use it effectively and have remained completely dependent on external forces.
  5. Moryarty
    Moryarty 18 July 2017 11: 10
    +2
    The United States is likely to cooperate with Israel, because this state is less predictable (unlike the Arabs). And it’s impossible to bet on the Arabs: they are bad warriors, unlike the Jews.
  6. Winnie the Pooh
    Winnie the Pooh 18 July 2017 11: 38
    +4
    Good article.
    But sad. Russia and the USA are playing with each other, but we are just meat, a bargaining chip sad
    Only Muslim Arabs win in such a situation. Israel remains the only outpost of peace on the planet.
    And now, and near our border muscles are measured, we must somehow drive these mammoths away from us.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 18 July 2017 14: 11
      +2
      Quote: vinipuh
      and we are just meat, a bargaining chip :(

      Quote: vinipuh
      Israel remains the only outpost of peace on the planet.

      Rabinovich, you decide: is it still meat or an outpost? request
      Quote: vinipuh
      And now, and near our border are measured muscles
      Indeed, lawlessness ... EVEN near the borders of Israel ... Some kind of muscular villains ... Definitely - you need to drive. yes
      1. Winnie the Pooh
        Winnie the Pooh 18 July 2017 17: 43
        +3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        You decide: still meat or an outpost?

        Well, we have not surrendered to the enemies. We will not have cadres and others. While holding on. Despite the fact that no one understands us and everyone is hostile, including superpowers.

        If we lose, the whole planet will perish.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 18 July 2017 18: 43
          +3
          Quote: vinipuh
          If we lose, the whole planet will perish.

          Yes, it will be a catastrophe on a galactic scale ... recourse
    2. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 18 July 2017 16: 17
      +1
      Israel remains the only outpost of peace on the planet.

      As they say - no comment ..)
  7. Cord127
    Cord127 18 July 2017 13: 06
    +5
    Thank you article is very interesting. Regarding American aid, there are many opinions about refusing this aid. Because it is bothering Israel. For example, the Tavor did not go into service with SEAL.
  8. Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 18 July 2017 14: 29
    +9
    Informative, objective and informative. US motivation for providing military assistance to Israel is openly disclosed. The author alluded to the US unofficial ban on the supply of certain types of weapons to Israel during Operation Unbreakable Rock. Thus, Israel was shown to be dependent in an extreme situation on the will of a strategic partner. If we recall the French embargo on the supply of arms to Israel on the eve of the six-day war, then after its end, the Israeli Air Force has developed, without exaggeration, a critical situation for obtaining components for Mirage5 aircraft. The country could be left without any combat-ready Air Force, which against the background of the total rearmament of Egypt and Syria by the USSR was fraught with catastrophic consequences.
    Israel took an extreme step: it involved the Mossad and stole tons of documentation for the production of these aircraft from Switzerland (Frauenknecht case). Only this special operation allowed Israel to launch the production of its own Nesher aircraft with an engine using French technology within a year. A little later, the Kfir fighter was created, surprisingly reminiscent of the Mirage 5. I mean, history can repeat itself. And how would Israel not be fooled by excessive dependence on arms supplies from the United States. And the eggs should be laid out in different baskets and cooperate in the field of defense, not only with the states. I swear to Barack Obama!
    1. A. Privalov
      18 July 2017 14: 46
      +6
      You're right. Excessive dependence is fraught and makes it possible to twist arms. Israel’s creation of its own fleet under an embargo of non- and licensed components is a separate big topic. It is possible that I will prepare a review on this issue.
      1. corporal
        corporal 18 July 2017 14: 59
        +5
        Quote: A. Privalov
        It is possible that I will prepare a review on this issue.

        Not "possible", but "necessary"! yes I will (I think not alone) wait with impatience. hi (about the "blackberry bush" do not forget wink )
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 15 2018 14: 07
        0
        It is worth adding that Israel produces not only avionics, but for example wings to F15 and f35
    2. Tony fergusson
      Tony fergusson 26 September 2021 12: 19
      0
      Absolutely true, you can't rely on just one ally
  9. A. Privalov
    18 July 2017 15: 03
    +3
    Quote: Corporal
    Quote: A. Privalov
    It is possible that I will prepare a review on this issue.

    Not "possible", but "necessary"! yes I will (I think not alone) wait with impatience. hi (about the "blackberry bush" do not forget wink )

    I remember! I collect materials. hi drinks
    1. corporal
      corporal 18 July 2017 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      I am collecting materials.

      Within Temptation. drinks
  10. Cord127
    Cord127 18 July 2017 15: 25
    +6
    The lessons just went for the future. Now only the weapons of the Israeli island are accepted for service. They refused to buy a 155 mm German howitzer only because they refused to fix their production here. We took another joint development. Well, the list goes on: England refused to sell the tank plant did Merkava, France bought the pk refused to transfer the Saar to them. The USA forbade China to sell AWACS aircraft, developed their technologies and sold them to China. And Britain is displeased "Oren Yarok" bought.
    1. A. Privalov
      18 July 2017 16: 17
      +5
      Quote: Kord127
      Britain dissatisfied "Oren is bright" bought.

      Here, not everyone knows what it is - “Oren is bright” (green pine). This is an EL / M-2080 “Green Pine” early warning radar (from the “Arrow Weapon System” kit) with an active phased antenna array manufactured by Elta.
      1. corporal
        corporal 18 July 2017 16: 26
        +2
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Here, not everyone knows what it is - "Oren Bright"

        Wow! Analogue THAAD?
        It is necessary to google TTX.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 18 July 2017 20: 17
          +2
          The article is the usual "juggling" of facts in the style of Israeli propaganda.
          For example, this:
          Quote: Quote: article
          US military assistance (about $ 3 billion) accounts for just over 1% of GDP.

          Why does the author compare US aid with Israeli GDP?
          If we are to compare it, we need to compare it with the annual budget of the Israeli regime, and in 2017 it amounted to 446.8 billion shekels, the dollar exchange rate is 3.17 shekels, that is, the budget is approximately = 141 billion dollars and 3 billion dollars of help from the USA no longer comes out 1%
          Again, the budget of the Ministry of Health is somewhere around 10 billion dollars a year, and if the Israeli regime "refuses" US assistance, for example, to compensate Washington’s money, it will be forced to reduce its "health costs" by 30% or other expenses of its state
          So US assistance plays a HUGE role in financing the aggressive and unpredictable Tel Aviv regime.
          Quote: Quote: article
          The United States is increasing funding for the creation of a short- and medium-range missile defense "David Sling." The development of the system is carried out by the already mentioned Israeli company "Rafael Advanced Defense Systems" together with the American "Raytheon".

          Finally, in cooperation with the American Boeing Corporation, a project is underway to develop Arrow medium and long-range missile defense systems (modifications 2 and 3). General management of this project is carried out by the Israeli Ministry of Defense in conjunction with the United States Agency for Missile Defense.

          The United States does virtually everything there, and Israel, as they say only on a “catch”, and the financing of these projectors has already exceeded (in 2018) for $ 700 million a year, again, at the expense of free aid from the USA, but with a completely separate article, and these 700 million should be added to the annual gratuitous aid of 3 billion 100 million dollars By the way, in 2017, the United States "presented" the Israeli regime with a missile defense of 600 million dollars ..
          US Congress approves $ 705 million for Israeli missile defense
          The Appropriations Committee and the Armed Forces Committee of the House of Representatives and the Armed Forces Committee of the US Senate approved on Thursday, June 29, a law on the allocation of $ 705 million for US-Israeli missile defense cooperation programs.

          Funds were allocated as part of the development and procurement programs for the Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Hets-2 and Hets-3 missile defense systems in 2018.

          The appropriations for these programs are approved by the US Congress annually because they are not part of the US-Israeli XNUMX-year defense assistance agreement.
          Note that this time Congress allocated $ 105 million more than a year ago.

          The new ten-year agreement, signed at the end of 2016 and entering into force in 2018, already provides for the inclusion of funding for missile defense programs, so funds will be allocated for them automatically, without having to go through the annual Congress approval process.

          Recall that under the new agreement, Israel will receive $ 3,8 billion instead of $ 3,1 billion.
          http://newsru.co.il/finance/30jun2017/pro301.html

          So "tie up" to carry Israeli propaganda without the support of the United States, it’s nothing no matter how much you “puffed” lol
          1. Tony fergusson
            Tony fergusson 26 September 2021 12: 26
            0
            Without US support - empty space
    2. Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 18 July 2017 22: 31
      +3
      It's about accessories.
    3. Tony fergusson
      Tony fergusson 26 September 2021 12: 20
      0
      Joint development with Germany or another country?
    4. Tony fergusson
      Tony fergusson 26 September 2021 12: 21
      0
      Joint development with Germany or another country?
    5. Tony fergusson
      Tony fergusson 26 September 2021 12: 23
      0
      Israel does not have its own AWACS aircraft
      They have Hawk eye, American made
  11. Operator
    Operator 18 July 2017 21: 40
    +1
    US government assistance is not limited to direct budget subsidies.

    The second multibillion-dollar channel is the donations of American citizens - Jews by nationality. In accordance with current US law, these donations are deducted from the amount of taxes levied on the budget, i.e. every dollar transferred to Israel is a direct deduction from US budget revenues.

    In addition, all without exception, Israel’s large-scale industry is the property of American citizens of Jewish descent who have invested tens of billions of personal funds not in the development of their state of origin (USA), but in their “historical homeland”. These same people created a guaranteed sales market for products manufactured at American enterprises located in Israel.

    T.O. American Jews behave as citizens of a foreign state, using America as the cash cow of Israel. No other state in the world allows such a massive and uncompensated export of capital abroad. The reason is the actions of the Jewish lobby at the level of the US government.

    If Israel is deprived of the channel for pumping American money and technology, then it will bend the very next day.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 18 July 2017 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: Operator
      If Israel is deprived of the channel for pumping American money and technology, then it will bend the very next day.

      I think if you deprive the Israeli regime of money from the United States, then it will simply begin to blackmail the whole world with its nuclear weapons and a large half of the Jews will quickly "wander off" from Israel to the same USA and other countries as this regime is not able to exist independently.
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 July 2017 22: 09
        0
        Israel will lose multichannel American assistance in only one case - when non-Jewish Americans realize that they are being milked in the dark.

        Another channel for financing Israel with the help of the subversive activities of the Jewish lobby is to set the American army on Israel’s enemies with direct payment of a “banquet” from the US budget (Iraq, Libya, Syria). Losses, including human losses, are incurred by Americans, and Israel receives political dividends.

        Such an anti-American policy (in fact, subversive activity) of the Jewish lobby cannot last forever - US patriots like Trump are gradually changing the situation.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 18 July 2017 22: 24
          0
          Quote: Operator
          Israel will lose multichannel American assistance in only one case - when non-Jewish Americans realize that they are being milked in the dark.

          For some US citizens, this is "barely" but is already "reaching" and they are beginning to understand that the Tel Aviv regime is engaged in an aggressive policy of supporting terrorists and "begging" referring to allegedly existing anti-Semitism in the world and other "fairy tales"
          The USA knows more about Israel, but love it less
          According to The Jerusalem Connection Report, Israel is losing support in the United States among national minorities and youth. The image of Israel in the eyes of the Americans is a religious and paramilitary country.
          The survey results showed that if in 2010 23% of Americans had significant information about Israel, then in 2016 there were already 37% of them. The number of acquaintances with Israel increased in all focus groups, with the exception of college students, where this figure fell from 50% to 34%.

          Surveys, however, showed that the best knowledge of Israel did not lead to an increase in sympathy for the Jewish state - this figure fell from 76% to 62% nationwide. The situation in American colleges turned out to be especially alarming: from 2010 to 2016, the number of "leaning toward Israel in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict" fell by 27%.
          http://cursorinfo.co.il/v-ssha-ob-izraile-znayut-
          vse-bolshe-no-lyubyat-ego-vse-menshe /
          1. Operator
            Operator 18 July 2017 22: 34
            0
            The US ideology for internal use is based on the idea of ​​a melting pot of the peoples of which the American nation is formed.

            This ideology is directly opposed to the ideology of Israel - the exclusivity of one single "God's chosen" people. From the point of view of the average American, this is outright racism.

            Therefore, racist-oriented Jews of American descent are, in the full sense, aliens for most of the US population.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 19 July 2017 02: 47
            +7
            Quote: quilted jacket
            The survey results showed ...

            What touches in Vatnik is his hypertrophic one-sidedness, he always digs out the most favorable opuses for his propaganda. And the data that is not beneficial to him is always "modestly" not noticed.
            Just a standard of uncomplicated hypocrisy.
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Recalling allegedly existing anti-Semitism in the world

            Why, ostensibly, when you are a living embodiment and proof of the existence of anti-Semitism? Or will you now say that you are not svidomit anti-Semite?
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 19 July 2017 13: 49
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              What touches in Vatnik is his hypertrophic one-sidedness, he always digs out the most favorable opuses for his propaganda.

              I'm just telling the truth about your regime that you Israeli Jews are silent.
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Why, ostensibly, when you are a living embodiment and proof of the existence of anti-Semitism?

              Yes, there is no anti-Semitism.
              Anti-Semitism is a fiction of Jews like you. And Us Rat invented by the Jews themselves to cover up their unsightly affairs lol
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 19 July 2017 15: 28
                +3
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Yes, there is no anti-Semitism.

                Gotcha. yes So you are not anti-Semite ?! wink Well, let's check it out! fellow
                1. Name 3 the good things that you think Israel did.
                2. Name 3 positive things in the Israeli army.
                3. Name the 3's of the Israelis, who in your opinion deserve deep respect.
                4. Name 3's Jews, whom you consider great people. (Except Einstein and Sakharov wink ).
                5. Name 3 the significant contribution of Jews to the fight against fascism during the Second World War.
                6. Name 3 terrorist attack organized by Iranian authorities, against Civil Israelis / Jews.

                Let's evaluate your "impartiality." fellow
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 19 July 2017 16: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  1. Name 3 the good things that you think Israel did.

                  1. Planted several trees in the desert
                  2. Introduced "drip irrigation"
                  3. Well, he seems to have done nothing more good.
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  2. Name 3 positive things in the Israeli army.

                  There is nothing positive in the Israeli army; it was brought up on the example of aggression and fierce hatred of neighbors.
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  3. Name the 3's of the Israelis, who in your opinion deserve deep respect.

                  Are there really such people? lol
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  4. Name the 3 Jews you think are great people. (Except Einstein and Sakharov wink).

                  Great Jews? Do not tell the people there are Jews who have done a lot for the world (for example, its science), but there are not and cannot be any particularly GREAT Jews.
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  5. Name 3 the significant contribution of Jews to the fight against fascism during the Second World War.

                  The contribution of the Jews in the Second World War? Yes, what other special “contribution” if out of SIXTEEN millions of Jews living in the world barely FIVE a million fought and the rest somewhere “sat” although, as you say, they wanted to completely destroy you.
                  Although, for example, your Prime Minister Netanyahu claims that Hitler is not at all to blame for what was completely against the Jews during the Second World War.
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  6. Name 3 terrorist attacks organized by the Iranian authorities against civilian Israelis / Jews.

                  Not one terrorist attack organized by Iran has been proven so you can keep these "tales" of Israeli propaganda
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 19 July 2017 17: 19
                    +4
                    Which should have been proved. According to Vatnik, Israel and Jews cannot be positive a priori. Which contradicts elementary logic. Therefore: Padded jacket - anti-Semite and racist. yes
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 19 July 2017 18: 02
                      +1
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      According to Vatnik, Israel and Jews cannot be positive a priori.

                      Naturally, Israel cannot be positive, after all, Israel is an occupying country that seized and destroyed the Arab country of Palestine, so that apart from "censuring" Israel as a country does not deserve anything, although I praised you by saying that you introduced - drip irrigation.
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      Jews cannot be positive a priori

                      Why there are quite decent people among the Jews, but the GREAT ones, as you say among them, are not.
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      Therefore: Padded jacket - anti-Semite and racist.

                      Again Israeli propaganda "whispered" to you by rabbis lol
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 19 July 2017 18: 43
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Israeli propaganda again

                        No worse than yours fellow
                      2. A. Privalov
                        21 July 2017 09: 36
                        +2
                        Here a couple of posts my admins rubbed.
                        I repeat in a softer version.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        ... destroying the Arab country of Palestine

                        For Israel, you haven't found a good word. Then please tell me something good about the country of Palestine. Well, for one thing, enlighten those present: when and by whom, this country was created, how long it existed, of course, before it was destroyed by evil Jews and who its rulers were, as the capital of Palestine was called, where these rulers were. Name the great writer, poet, artist, scholar of this country. Maybe you know what this country was famous for, how the currencies of this country were called, tell us about its contribution to world culture, science, technology, etc. ...
                        Excuses, translation of arrows on another topic, political slogans and verbal husks are not accepted.
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 19 July 2017 02: 40
        +6
        Quote: quilted jacket
        I think...

        You need to be able to think yes And you read out Iranian manuals for money. yes
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 19 July 2017 02: 37
      +5
      Quote: Operator
      In addition, all, without exception, Israel’s large-scale industry is the property of Jewish American citizens

      Financial calculations on this topic - in the studio! fellow

      Quote: Operator
      No other state in the world allows such a massive and uncompensated export of capital abroad.

      lol
      800 billion dollars - that is exactly how much, according to economists, has been withdrawn from Russia over the past 20 years. These are mainly funds received as a result of privatization. This is the worst indicator among all states. True, the Chinese rich have withdrawn more money abroad - 1, 189 trillion dollars, but this is for 40 years. The Russian elite managed to “warm up” the state almost twice as fast, having come to grips with the conclusion from the 1991 of the year.
      Quote: Operator
      If Israel is deprived of the channel for pumping American money and technology, then it will bend the very next day.

      Powerless anger consoles itself with slander. yes
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 19 July 2017 14: 02
        +1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        $ 800 billion - exactly that, according to economists, has been withdrawn from Russia over the past 20 years

        They say a large amount of this money turned up in Israel on the accounts of oligarchs of Jews from Russia.
        The oligarchs in Russia are sorted by the “fifth column”
        The highest proportion of wealthy people at the oligarch level in Russia is among mountain Jews.
        The share of Jewish rich in the “total capital of oligarchs ..... is 21%, but this despite the fact that the number of Jews in Russia does not exceed 0,11%.
        http://eajc.org/page16/news47894
        The list of the richest people in Russia is led by two Jews and a Jew's husband
        Mikhail Fridman - founder of the Russian Jewish Congress, takes second place in the list

        Israeli citizen Mikhail Fridman, founder and member of the Bureau of the Presidium of the Russian Jewish Congress, ranks second in the Forbes magazine’s list of richest people in Russia.

        According to the updated oligarch rating, the fortune of the owner of Alfa Bank and other industrial and financial institutions of the Russian Federation in 2016 is $ 13,3 billion (a decrease of 1,3 billion compared to last year).

        Another businessman of Jewish origin, Leonid Mikhelson (owner of Novatek and Sibur Concerns), comes first in the Forbes Russia list.

        The son of the Soviet oilman Viktor Zelmanovich Mikhelson increased his capital over the years by $ 2,5 billion and now Leonid Mikhelson is "worth" $ 14,4 billion.

        The owner of Metalloinvest holding Alisher Usmanov, married to Jewess Irina Viner, having lost $ 2016 billion in 1,9, but remains in third place in the ranking of Russian oligarchs ($ 12,5 billion).

        The owner of Norilsk Nickel Vladimir Potanin lost $ 3,3 billion over the year and rolled from first to fourth place with a capital of $ 12,1 billion.

        The seventh place in the Forbes Russia list is occupied by the owner of the Rusal company Viktor Vekselberg - 10,5 billion dollars. Over the year, Vekselberg’s financial condition also declined significantly (by $ 3,7 billion).
        http://communitarian.ru/novosti/v-rossii/spisok_b
        ogateyshih_lyudey_rossii_vozglavlyayut_dva_evreya
        _i_muzh_evreyki_30102016 /

        So it is not surprising that $ 800 billion "disappeared" from Russia
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 19 July 2017 15: 34
          +5
          Well, you once again confirmed the economic literacy, initiative and hard work of the Jews, and then what?
          There are 2 kinds of people:
          The first looking at smart people, study hard to become the same.
          The second fiercely envy, and dream that all smarts would tread to their level.
          Who will you be? wink
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 19 July 2017 18: 07
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Well, you once again confirmed the economic literacy, initiative and hard work of the Jews

            Well yes lol
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 19 July 2017 18: 44
              +2
              Quote: quilted jacket

              Well yes lol

              What is "yes"? Answer the question. laughing
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 19 July 2017 22: 18
                +1
                And what are you not able to understand?
                Well, if you can’t say so, then see your message above about the withdrawal from Russia of $ 800 billion and now think about who "brought them out" - hard workers who work hard at factories or milkmaids? No, they were brought out "money bags", that is, the so-called oligarchs, in particular Jews, about whom you yourself speak -
                Quote: And Us Rat
                confirmed economic literacy, initiative and hard work of Jews

                Quote: And Us Rat
                800 billion dollars - that’s exactly how much, according to economists, has been withdrawn from Russia over the past 20 years.

                Here they are these heroes and workaholics:
                In total, according to Forbes, today in Russia there are 77 dollar billionaires
                The leader of the rating was Leonid Mikhelson, chairman of the board and major shareholder of the Russian gas company Novatek
                The second place is occupied by the founder of Alfa Bank Mikhail Fridman, the third was the founder of USM Holdings Alisher Usmanov (they occupied the same lines of the rating last year).

                Noteworthy is the appearance in the TOP-20 of Mikhail Gutseriev, whose fortune increased by $ 3,5 billion over the year, as well as the fact that Oleg Deripaska, who “lost weight” over the year by $ 20 billion, disappeared from the TOP-4,1.
                http://newsru.co.il/finance/14apr2016/forbes_106.
                html
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 20 July 2017 00: 44
                  +1
                  Do not engage in verbiage, answer a specific question. laughing Whose will you be?
      2. Operator
        Operator 19 July 2017 18: 45
        +1
        800 billion $ (minus interest) was first raised in the Russian Federation in the form of loans for the purchase of equipment and technologies, and then withdrawn in cash as a return on loans and borrowings. Money for the return was received from the sale of Russian oil, gas, metal, etc.

        Unlike the Russian Federation, Israel is a black hole - it only takes money from the American and German budgets, American taxpayers and Jewish investors from abroad, but returns nothing.
    3. tamnun
      tamnun 19 July 2017 18: 15
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      The second multibillion-dollar channel is the donations of American citizens - Jews by nationality

      And what's wrong with that ?
      Would you mind if wealthy Russians living abroad donate to Russia?
      Do not donate? request Sorry
      Quote: Operator
      . In accordance with current US law, these donations are deducted from the amount of taxes levied on the budget, i.e. every dollar transferred to Israel is a direct deduction from US budget revenues.

      In Russia, money spent on charity is deductible from taxes.
      By the way, every ruble spent in Syria - laughing - then you yourself know
      Quote: Operator
      is a direct deduction from budget revenues

      Quote: Operator
      In addition, all without exception, Israel’s large-scale industry is the property of American citizens of Jewish descent who have invested tens of billions of personal funds not in the development of their state of origin (USA), but in their “historical homeland”. These same people created a guaranteed sales market for products manufactured at American enterprises located in Israel.

      not true, businesses are not property of american citizens
      Quote: Operator
      T.O. American Jews behave as citizens of a foreign state, using America as the cash cow of Israel.

      I already cried.
      How many babos from Russia escaped this year? wink
      Quote: Operator
      If Israel is deprived of the channel for pumping American money and technology, then it will be bent the next day

      Zakharchenko number 2 laughing
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  13. A. Privalov
    19 July 2017 17: 54
    +6
    To be immediately clear, I am a supporter of American aid. With all its drawbacks, I believe that if given, you need to take. With the rich will not lose. laughing

    Serious economists believe that American aid hinders the development of the Israeli economy. Israel is a country with a fairly high level of export. The increase in the volume of exports, primarily military-industrial, will boldly name one of the main conditions for the further development of the Israeli economy. Washington clearly uses military aid and our dependence on the supply of its weapons to restrict Israeli military exports. So, I understand the opponents of American aid, although I disagree with them in many ways. Not that I'm a freeloader by nature, no. They give good money and they should be used efficiently, which is what has happened so far. As I already pointed out in the article, the state American aid is given today exclusively for armaments (we feed ourselves and even from the desert to Russia we send fellow ) This is very convenient also because if we are talking about ammunition, the main types of light weapons, vehicles, etc., then in all of this disgrace in the United States do not need to go. This is all, in infinite quantities, is already here, in the Middle East, in military warehouses of the US Army, both in Israel and in several Arab countries.
    In other words, if we need some kind of ammunition, after a couple of hours, it is already here. When Barak Huseynovich didn’t remember the night, he suddenly blocked our access to such warehouses, and even in the midst of military operations during the operation “Enduring Rock”, we had to wriggle out. Of course, we pretended that nothing terrible had happened, “but in our hearts we held some rudeness” (c). These were rockets in one of the configurations. I had, I remember, to sweat. But in 90 days they launched their production ...

    Yes, Jews are not only the United States, but the whole world donate to Israel. I understand, Operator, the export of billions from the Russian Federation (According to the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia, the outflow of capital in 2014 is $ 125 billion. US capital, according to the Central Bank of Russia, the outflow of capital in 2014 is $ 151,5 billion.) citizens - Russian by nationality, it is insulting and not embarrassing national pride. But, there's nothing to be done about it. With this you have to somehow accept.

    So much of it, or a little 3,8 of a billion green? I agree, pivasika such grandmother could be typed is not sickly. drinks
    If we take it as a percentage of the state budget, as suggested by Vatnik, it will be about three percent. It seems and not a little, but the budget for next year, compared with the current, will increase by 5%. These are the very same 3,8 billion greens. Inflation is low, unemployment too. The budget will continue to grow. It has not decreased for a long time, because state revenues only increase. Not as fast as we would like, but growing up. Again, the money is not superfluous, but if Dad does not give pocket money, somehow we will spin ourselves.

    The funds were allocated as part of the development programs and procurement of the Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Hetz-2 and Hetz-3 missile defense systems, essentially pennies, which seem huge only to those who live in a man with ten thousand was called a millionaire before the war. "(c) Ask about the cost of these products at your leisure and you will be happy.

    On the "bending of Israel the next day," I will not even begin to comment. 70 years lasted, somehow further, with Gd help hold out.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 19 July 2017 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      and even from the desert to Russia we send

      So what? I saw pears from Benin in our city and rice from Burkina Faso, what does it mean that they feed us too? lol
      So stop inventing with us it’s just winter for at least six months, and it’s such a time when it’s cold and snowing and nothing grows in the fields, you Israeli Jews take two or three crops a year, since you actually don’t have winter we graciously buy your crop from you since we need to somehow provide our population with fresh vegetables and fruits in the winter.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      If you count as a percentage of the state budget, as Vatnik suggests, it will come out somewhere around three percent

      So I don’t apply it, I just say how it should be considered correctly, since your calculations from some kind of “ghostly” GDP are an ordinary juggling.
      By the way, I was a little mistaken at the dollar exchange rate of not 3.17 but 3.58 shekels per dollar, so your budget for the year is not $ 141 billion, but $ 125 billion.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      For all its minuses, I think that if they give, you need to take

      Soon, US citizens will relate to Israel as the Palestinians are treating you now, which of course will be true.
      Incidentally, the freedom of East Jerusalem from occupation by Israeli Jews lol
    2. Operator
      Operator 19 July 2017 18: 49
      +1
      A.Privalov

      As for the "export" of capital from the Russian Federation, see above.

      Israeli plastic vegetables disappeared from Russian shelves.

      Minus foreign aid to Israel - since the formation of this state, a huge layer of the population has formed in it - freeloaders in three generations.
      1. tamnun
        tamnun 19 July 2017 18: 58
        +3
        Quote: Operator
        Minus foreign aid to Israel - since the formation of this state, a huge layer of the population has formed in it - freeloaders in three generations.

        Let us turn to the indicator LABOR PRODUCTIVITY
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_b
        y_GDP_ (PPP) _per_hour_worked
        In the indicator, dollars per 1 hour of working time. I would like to draw attention to the fact that this indicator is calculated by dividing the country's GDP (PPP) by the number of hours worked by the employed population in its economy and is a more accurate indicator of the efficiency of the economies of different countries compared to even such a generally accepted and quite good indicator as per capita GDP (PPP), since the latter is calculated by dividing the country's GDP by the entire population.
        Mzrail - 27th place
        Russia - 42nd

        request wink
        add - unemployment rate
        According to the central statistical office, Israel's unemployment rate hit another record low in August at 4,6%.

        The level of basic unemployment (aged 25-64 years) remained at 4%. At the same time, the unemployment rate among men of this age category decreased from 4,1% to 3,8%

        Russia
        The unemployment rate in October 2015, according to Rosstat (accounting according to the ILO methodology), amounted to 5,5 % economically active population, or 4,3 million out of 76,8 million people, in May 2016 - 5,6% or 4,3 million people, in September 2016 - 5,2%

        Freeloaders are talking lol
        1. Operator
          Operator 19 July 2017 19: 05
          +1
          GDP is calculated as the sum of the value of products and services sold in the country. This amount includes purchases of raw materials and components abroad, repayment and payment for foreign loans, foreign subsidies, etc.

          Therefore, an objective indicator of the contribution of the country's population to GDP is an indicator of value added.

          So how is it with the place of Israel and Russia in the ranking of value added per capita?
          1. tamnun
            tamnun 19 July 2017 19: 13
            +3
            Quote: Operator
            So how is it with the place of Israel and Russia in the ranking of value added per capita?

            An interesting rating invented by an unknown person.
            Something I did not notice in this rating of Luxembourg, Monaco, Most of Europe, the Gulf countries, Switzerland
            For that is Turkey, Argentina laughing , and Thailand (which is rated higher than Russia)
            Your deeds are wonderful.
            In Thailand, the standard of living is better than in Luxembourg lol
            1. Operator
              Operator 19 July 2017 20: 23
              +1
              Added value per capita in Switzerland and Luxembourg is significant - it includes interest on loans issued by local banks around the world.

              Added value per capita in the Gulf countries is also significant - due to the multiple gap in the cost of oil and gas produced and their cost.

              Germany and China earn value added most honestly, independently producing many goods on their territory.

              Most of the US value added is made up of interest payments and return on profits from investments abroad, including in the form of technologies and design documentation.

              Russia earns one half of the value added through the supply of natural resources and the other half from the production of finished products.
              1. tamnun
                tamnun 19 July 2017 20: 44
                +3
                Quote: Operator
                Russia earns one half of the value added through the supply of natural resources and the other half from the production of finished products.

                And what is it for?
                do not pull the owl on the globe.
                There is GDP per capita, there is labor productivity and there is a level of unemployment.
                Absolutely clear, logical and simple data.
                For all these indicators, Russia is where it is.
                Therefore, about the interlayers
                Quote: Operator
                layer of the population - freeloaders in three generations.

                Understand yourself.
                by the way, give me the statistics on your
                Added value - say from 2008 to 2016.
                I somehow did not find it.
                And that there would be more countries, and not 20 sucked from a finger, for 2010 and .... everything laughing
                1. Operator
                  Operator 19 July 2017 20: 49
                  +1
                  In Israel, in addition to GDP, productivity and unemployment, there is also an American freebie.

                  Giving you will be elsewhere laughing
                  1. tamnun
                    tamnun 19 July 2017 21: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: Operator
                    In Israel, in addition to GDP, productivity and unemployment, there is also an American freebie.

                    In Israel, per capita GDP and labor productivity are higher than in Russia, unemployment is lower - this is a fact.
                    In Israel, US assistance (freebie) amounts to 1-2% of GDP, but there is no freebie in the form of minerals.
                    What about freebies in the form of oil, gas and other minerals? Or will you say that oil, gas, wood - this is not a freebie?
                    How much in Russia's GDP in% terms, freebie from minerals?
                    wink
                    by the way how about
                    by the way, give me the statistics on your
                    Added value - say from 2008 to 2016.
                    I somehow did not find it.
                    And that there would be more countries, and not 20 sucked from a finger, for 2010 and .... all laughing

                    or smoothly moved out wink
  14. Cord127
    Cord127 19 July 2017 22: 02
    +2
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: And Us Rat
    5. Name 3 the significant contribution of Jews to the fight against fascism during the Second World War.
    The contribution of the Jews in the Second World War? Yes, what other special “contribution” if out of SIXTEEN millions of Jews living in the world barely FIVE a million fought and the rest somewhere “sat” although, as you say, they wanted to completely destroy you.

    By memory
    Salzman - Director of the Kirov Plant KV 1/2 People's Commissar Tank. prom
    Kotin - created KV 1/2/85 / 1s IS 1/2 and sau based on them
    Gurevich - MiG 1/3
    Lavochkin - LAGG 1/3 La 5/7
    Nudelman NS 23/37
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 19 July 2017 22: 04
      0
      Quote: Kord127
      Salzman - Director of the Kirov Plant KV 1/2 People's Commissar Tank. prom
      Kotin - created KV 1/2/85 / 1s IS 1/2 and sau based on them
      Gurevich - MiG 1/3
      Lavochkin - LAGG 1/3 La 5/7
      Nudelman NS 23/37

      Is that all you could remember from the millions of Jews who lived in the USSR? lol
      Weak go and study books laughing
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 20 July 2017 00: 52
        +2
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Is that all you could remember from the millions of Jews who lived in the USSR? lol

        You couldn’t do that either, darkness. laughing Go to the beds to dig, dvoechnik.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 20 July 2017 18: 48
          0
          Quote: And Us Rat
          s and this could not, darkness.

          Yes, perhaps you were so few that it is simply difficult to remember lol
          Although a couple of Jews made a machine gun and a plane this is already a sensation lol
  15. A. Privalov
    20 July 2017 09: 37
    +2
    Quote: quilted jacket
    ... destroying the Arab country of Palestine

    For Israel, you haven't found a good word. Then please tell me something good about the country of Palestine. Well, for one thing, enlighten those present: when and by whom, this country was created, how long it existed, of course, beforehow it was destroyed by the evil Jews and who were its rulers, as the capital of Palestine was called, where these rulers were. Name the great writer, poet, artist, scholar of this country. Maybe you know what this country was famous for, how the currencies of this country were called, tell us about its contribution to world culture, science, technology, etc. ...
    Excuses, translation of arrows on another topic, political slogans and verbal husks are not accepted.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 20 July 2017 12: 48
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      the capital is Baghdad, Irusalem, Arabs.
      united state --- Caliphate
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 20 July 2017 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        the capital is Baghdad, Irusalem, Arabs.
        united state --- Caliphate

        What's this? Propaganda of the IG? belay
        Educational program for the ignorant - http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/Arab-Hebrew war_ (
        1920 − 1948)
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 20 July 2017 21: 04
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          besides the fundamentalism of Islam, there is also the HISTORY of the ARABS AND OTHER PEOPLES of the BBV.
          not only Jews, but also many others.
          You do NOT have security solutions (one way)
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 20 July 2017 21: 13
            +1
            I lost the logical chain. Can I explain the idea in plain Russian? Entirely desirable, and not just one phrase, torn from the middle of the thought process. request
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 20 July 2017 21: 14
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              You do NOT have security solutions (one way)
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 20 July 2017 21: 17
                +1
                Quote: antivirus
                You do NOT have security solutions (one way)

                There is (in case of a hopeless situation), but you will not like it. Dialogue is always preferable, the partner for the dialogue would still be to find adequate and interested.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 20 July 2017 21: 24
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                  that case is YOUR, I'm far away. I’m sitting in a swamp and don’t understand much (see about educational program)
                  choose not a house, choose neighbors.
                  It’s Pride that you can live without their opinions
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 20 July 2017 21: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: antivirus
                    It’s Pride that you can live without their opinions

                    And what to do when their opinion is that you should die? To humble pride and meekly crawl into the cemetery? request
                    1. antivirus
                      antivirus 21 July 2017 07: 48
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                      I don't know much about the history of BBW,
                      there land orally fixed in the sale-purchase?
                      Israel seized a lot of land? for state needs, etc.? Is there consent from the owners?
                      and this is in addition to the "occupied lands" ZBI (?) and other "little things"
                      mostly in Israel, what amount of land is lawful, without "we need" occupied by the Jews? --- This is the basis for the future medieval massacre. only from the Russian Federation require tolerance.
                      if there is no consent, then they do not sit down on a bench in the park.
                      All the same, you will have to go home after a walk.
                      Where does each of you “go home”? —The answer will give the degree of rootedness and stability (in centuries, not “cool to live”) of the state of Israel. and application "in a hopeless situation"
                      !!!!!!!!!! You do not have a solution to the security issue (one way) - !!!!!! this is not state construction, but a commercial project (temporary?)
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 21 July 2017 11: 04
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                        Quote: antivirus
                        Israel seized a lot of land? for state needs, etc.? Is there consent from the owners?

                        Does Russia have the consent of the owners to seize Königsberg, the Kuril Islands, the Siberian Khanate, and the rest of the conquered lands? There is such a thing - a trophy. And when it’s a trophy in a defensive war, it’s compensation.
                        Quote: antivirus
                        Where does each of you go home?
                        Arabs have a dozen Arab countries, we have one. Do you need to continue?
                        Quote: antivirus
                        You do NOT have security solutions (one way)

                        Well, offer your solution. wink
  16. Iskander
    Iskander 20 July 2017 18: 57
    +2
    Quote: tamnun
    Quote: Operator
    In Israel, in addition to GDP, productivity and unemployment, there is also an American freebie.

    In Israel, per capita GDP and labor productivity are higher than in Russia, unemployment is lower - this is a fact.
    In Israel, US assistance (freebie) amounts to 1-2% of GDP, but there is no freebie in the form of minerals.

    American payments to Israel - this is not a freebie, this is a gratitude from the United States for its good contribution to the greatness of the United States! and no other way! )))
    Enough to envy the Jews))), (well, in principle, you can envy - it’s very stupid to oppose! It’s better to fit into the general scheme, not to be stupid and live happily!).
  17. Iskander
    Iskander 20 July 2017 19: 02
    +2
    they deserve their happiness, and the money they send is used sensibly, it is not clear what the patriots want from them ???
    Do you want in the east with a constant "dagger in the back" is Israel better controlled? no business?
    do nothing ?
    what's wrong ?
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 20 July 2017 21: 06
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      I wrote above about "one way"
  18. antivirus
    antivirus 22 July 2017 20: 53
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    And Us Rat,
    to Australia or ... wherever your eyes look ...
    is a trophy outside the borders of the state according to a UN resolution? but is there "taken land" inside the "first Israel"? The Jews decided "we will live like this", and the Arabs agreed "they agree to live like this" (including land owners at the end of the 1940s)

    choose not a house, choose neighbors.

    "you are a strange people taxi drivers" --- how to live without the consent of neighbors? - a question for an amateur to receive "streamlined diplomatic answers"

    I have friends with me. I didn’t ask them how they evaluate the degree of security-rootedness in “that land”
  19. Andrey Fuchs
    Andrey Fuchs 24 July 2017 02: 13
    +1
    Dear author! To be honest, I read the beginning and dropped the topic! It was necessary to begin with the fact that not a single Western state wanted to see the Jewish state of Israel. The "ghoul" Stalin insisted on this.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 15 February 2018 17: 19
      +2
      Ghoul Stalin put everything in the best light. As for the help in the establishment of the state of Israel, it is a very controversial issue. Yes, and he insisted only because all his plans for the world revolution didn’t sleep. Many historical works on this topic by our historians have drunk clean water easy.