The National Interest: Russian superavian carrier - a pipe dream

63
For many years, discussions continue on the possibility of building a new Russian aircraft carrier. Conversations on this topic are conducted at various levels, but so far the delivery of such a ship remains a matter of a very distant future. For obvious reasons, there are not only positive assessments of the future project, but also doubts about the possibility of implementing such plans. Moreover, negative forecasts occur in both domestic and foreign publications.

On July 8, the American edition of The National Interest published a new article on the development of Russian aircraft carrier fleet. In the publication “Russian Supercarrier Is a Pipe Dream” (The Russian Supercarrier - a pipe dream), referred to under The Buzz, an attempt was made to review current Russian plans and evaluate their realism. As follows from the title, the author of the article, Zachary Kek, strongly doubts the likelihood of a new Russian aircraft carrier appearing.



His article, the American author begins with a reminder of the latest information received from the Russian command. Not so long ago, Russia confirmed its plans to build a promising aircraft carrier. A new ship of this class will be created even in the face of a reduction in the defense budget.



As the Russian media reported last month, an important statement to this effect was made by the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk. According to him, the navy really intends to build a new aircraft carrier. At the moment, various Russian design bureaus offer their own versions of the appearance of such a ship.

Z. Keck suggests that, speaking of the promising Russian aircraft carrier, Vice-Admiral Bursuk was referring to the new project 23000E, also known as “Storm”. This project, according to known data, proposes the construction of a large ship with a displacement of about 100 thousand tons, equipped with two nuclear reactors RHYTHM-200. In terms of its displacement, the new “Storm” will almost double the existing ship “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”, which in the near future will have to undergo repairs and upgrades. It is reported that a promising aircraft carrier will be able to take on board up to 90 aircraft for various purposes, while the Admiral Kuznetsov air group consists of just over three dozen airplanes and helicopters.

A displacement of 100 thousand tons will be associated with the large size of the ship. "Storm" should have a length of about 330 m and a maximum width of 40 m. The crew will be controlled by a crew of four thousand people. AT aviation the group will include MiG-29K carrier-based fighters and a special “naval” version of the promising T-50 / PAK FA. In addition, the ship will become a carrier of helicopters of various classes and types. According to the Global Security resource, the 23000E project provides for two launching sites with a springboard and two electromagnetic catapults needed to launch aircraft. To protect against air attacks, the aircraft carrier will be equipped with air defense and missile defense.

The author of The National Interest mentions a curious feature of the official reports on the development of the carrier fleet of Russia. Officials say such questions are being worked out from 2007 onwards. However, the 23000E Storm project developed by the Krylov State Research Center was first demonstrated only in 2015. In addition, previously published information was subsequently supplemented. Thus, it was originally claimed that Storm would receive the “traditional” main power plant, and information about nuclear reactors appeared later.

The cost of a new type of ship was originally estimated at least in 9 billion US dollars in ruble equivalent. Later, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yury Borisov said that the contract for the construction of the lead ship of the new project will be signed in the middle of the next decade. To complete the construction of this aircraft carrier could be to the beginning of the thirties.

Having considered the well-known information about the new Russian project, Zachary Keck expresses his assumptions regarding his real prospects. In his opinion, there are serious reasons for doubting that Russia will indeed be able to build a new nuclear aircraft carrier in the foreseeable future. The author believes that the first reason for such doubts is not the fully understood potential of Russian shipbuilding. While it is impossible to say with certainty whether the industry will be able to solve very complex tasks arising in the context of such projects.

Back in 2015, shortly after the first publication of materials on the 23000 project, IHS Jane's authoritative publication noted that the Storm project and ships built on it “will become a quantum leap” both in terms of size and in terms of potential. They will be larger and more powerful than the only currently Russian aircraft carrier.

An additional problem for Moscow is the fact that all Soviet aircraft carriers were built at the enterprises of the Ukrainian SSR. Moreover, at one time the collapse of the Soviet Union dealt a painful blow to the aircraft carrier building program. Because of the separation of Ukraine, work was stopped on the Ulyanovsk aircraft carrier under construction. According to the project, this ship had a displacement of 85 thousand tons and was to become the largest Soviet aircraft carrier. There was also another ship on the stocks, later sold to China, completed, equipped and accepted into the PLA Navy under the name "Liaoning".

A prospective aircraft carrier should also have certain characteristics that were not used even in the times of the Soviet Union with its developed industrial potential. Thus, the USSR did not have time to build a single aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant. Russian industry understands this problem and is already looking for ways to solve it. Previously unnamed sources in shipbuilding indicated that the experience necessary to build a nuclear reactor for an aircraft carrier is planned to be obtained when creating a promising destroyer with a similar power plant.

Back in 2015, it was claimed that the power plant, considered in the context of the aircraft carrier project, will initially be created for the destroyer of the Leader project. Nevertheless, in the future, the program "Leader" faced certain problems, and the timing of its implementation shifted. It was initially claimed that the head destroyer would be built by the end of the current decade, but now this event is attributed to the mid-twenties, since the construction starts no earlier than 2019 of the year.

The electromagnetic catapults planned for use will also become a serious design challenge. All previous Soviet / Russian aircraft carriers were equipped only with a nose ramp.

The project of building a promising supercarrier also faces another serious problem, this time of an economic nature. At present, official Moscow is planning to reduce the defense budget. This year, Russian defense spending was reduced by about a quarter. IHS Jane's earlier edition wrote that this was the largest reduction in military spending since the early nineties, when the decrease in such costs was due to numerous problems in the country.

Z. Keck recalls that some experts previously challenged the possibility of reducing the defense budget, but argues that this development is expected and natural. The reality is that Russia, faced with the problem of low energy prices, can no longer maintain the military budget at a “wasteful” level.

In circumstances where the command needs to choose which military programs should be reduced, the promising aircraft carrier has every chance to be at the top of such a list. An argument in favor of such a decision may be the fact that Russia is traditionally a land power and therefore does not need a developed carrier fleet. The large costs of such a program can strengthen this argument.

The author points out that back in 2015, i.e. Long before the announcement of cuts in the defense budget, security experts warned of some of the problems in the context of building large ships. So, any attempt to build an aircraft carrier with the stated characteristics requires an extremely complex and costly modernization of shipbuilding enterprises. All this, first of all, leads to increased costs in the framework of rearmament programs.

The author of The National Interest reminds that the development of the carrier fleet is not only about building ships with an aviation group. To protect and supply the aircraft carrier during combat service requires a significant number of other ships and vessels for various purposes. The need to create such ship groups is quite capable of "exhausting" the navy of Russia. In this context, Z. Keck quotes the recent publication of The Diplomat. It stated that the Russian Navy did not have enough escort ships and supply vessels to form carrier strike groups. There are also no decked attack aircraft with a large combat radius and specialized electronic warfare vehicles.

The article “Russia's Premium Supercarrier Is a Pipe Dream” ends with the mention of another problem of a promising project. According to Z. Keck, it is not quite clear what tasks Russia plans to solve with the help of a new supercarrier. Unlike Washington, Moscow has a very limited need for such ships. As a result, limited financial capacity is better used for building new aircraft and missiles, since such weapons and equipment are more in line with Russia's current interests.

As a result, the author of The National Interest recognizes the new Russian project is not the most necessary. Given the existing problems, the construction of a promising aircraft carrier turns out to be an empty and unrealizable dream.

***

The recent publication of The National Interest, devoted to the Russian program for the development and construction of a new aircraft carrier, is of some interest and is worth familiarizing yourself with it. At the same time, the article "Russia's Supercarrier Is a Pipe Dream" does not contain any new information that was not previously disclosed. This applies to information about the project 23000E "Storm", and the alleged difficulties in the implementation of existing plans.

Recall, the project of the aircraft carrier "Storm" was first presented two years ago, and since then the model of a promising ship has repeatedly become an exhibit at various exhibitions. In addition, this project managed to become the subject of a mass of analytical publications in the domestic and foreign press. All previously published articles considered the draft submitted by the Russian industry, and also tried to predict its strengths and weaknesses.

It should be noted that all the problems of the Storm project mentioned by Zachary Kek have been repeatedly raised in domestic and foreign publications, and are also regularly mentioned in various discussions. Indeed, the construction of an aircraft carrier, including one equipped with a nuclear power plant, is a very difficult task, requiring special expenditure of effort, money and time. It is for this reason that for many years the question of building new aircraft carriers has been discussed at different levels, but the lead ship has not yet been laid.

For objective reasons, serious and fairly expensive preparation of industry is necessary for the construction of a new aircraft carrier or several similar ships. In addition, when planning the construction of aircraft carriers, it is necessary to take into account other intentions and desires in the field of the development of the surface fleet, since not all domestic enterprises have shops and liquid basins of sufficient size, and are already loaded with orders.

More recently, in the context of fleet development, including the construction of new aircraft carriers, a new problem has emerged in the form of a possible reduction in the defense budget. There was a lack of money, technical and technological problems before, but now their influence is too great to lay a new aircraft carrier right now.

In general, in the domestic program of building promising aircraft carriers in recent years, there has been some progress, but the results still do not give reason for optimistic forecasts. At the same time, at the moment - with all the existing difficulties and problems - there are no serious reasons to consider the new project as a "pipe dream", as indicated by the American author.


Article "Russia's Supercarrier Is a Pipe Dream":
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-supercarrier-pipe-dream-21468
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

63 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +2
    14 July 2017 06: 52
    The opinion of the most likely adversary about the prospects for the development of our army and navy is quite reasonable to take note of, but we must act in such a way as to refute this opinion in terms of our advantage. As with tanks at the beginning of the Second World War: no one assumed the presence of T-34 and did not strongly believe in the KV-1 armor, but in practice there were big problems when confronted with them in open battle.
    1. +18
      14 July 2017 15: 12
      But this is really the rare case when, personally, I practically agree with the assessment of a foreign expert in almost everything (disagreement only on the “unrealizability” point is nothing, if someone thought up on such a toy “upstairs” there, they’ll undress half the country, but build ) Everything else - as removed from the language. WHY this Storm, when even without it our fleet has been in a state of "skin and bones" for decades? First you need to somehow increase the meat, and only then buy this expensive club.
      No, I understand everything. Well, I want someone. Very (supposedly, Vanka Erokhin already has 12 aircraft carriers, but are we red?). Stalin, for example, was also a fan of the battleships, driving a sea of ​​resources and money into their construction (although in the Second World War they would have been of little use to us, even if they had been completed before the start). And even when the war ended, and conclusions were drawn about the decline of the era of battleships, he still stubbornly bent his line until his death (only after it the development of project 24 was canceled).
      Here it is the same. In the era of hypersonic rockets, someone lovingly continues to cling to aircraft carriers.
  2. +14
    14 July 2017 07: 41
    I wasn’t in Shoigu’s head and I don’t know his plans, but until VO reprints such experts:
    Zachary Keck is the former managing editor of the National Interest.
    1. +8
      14 July 2017 10: 25
      A college graduate makes a conclusion about our potential?! The German General Staff with the generals was by no means fools and educated in the military sphere could not do this .. And here is some kind of weirdo.
      1. 0
        16 July 2017 21: 57
        Well, you should not be hoping for the General Staff with its gallant generals. They work their bread and are not accustomed to speak differently.
  3. +30
    14 July 2017 08: 12
    All right. There is nowhere to build, nowhere to build, there is no money, and it is not needed.
    1. +3
      14 July 2017 08: 23
      Mister liberal laughing, would write their posts about Tanchiki, oval, and the desire to change the world. What are you trying to discuss weapons? All for hype?
      1. +14
        14 July 2017 08: 29
        You can throw me your phone in PM. When I need your highly qualified opinion about what to do, I will definitely call you.
        1. +2
          14 July 2017 08: 38
          Do not cry, I see your historian was pricked, Mr. historian laughing
          1. +8
            14 July 2017 08: 44
            Do not flatter yourself. Until you say something worth discussing, you are no more interesting to me than yesterday’s newspaper.
            1. +1
              14 July 2017 08: 57
              yesterday's newspaper.
              Well just a knockout laughing , on the topic - You are a woeful expert, the same as the boy - the author of this article. hi
              1. +9
                14 July 2017 09: 18
                On the topic dear. While you make the impression of just a troll
                1. +1
                  14 July 2017 12: 02
                  just troll
                  - the grief of an expert sounds like music to my ears.
                  1. +5
                    14 July 2017 13: 40
                    If you are not a robot, then try to refute the theses put forward by me.
                    1. +3
                      14 July 2017 13: 50
                      for your theses before you would have been put to the wall .... it’s a pity that times have changed ....
                      1. +8
                        14 July 2017 14: 03
                        Why. Previously, with IVS, they did not do such stupid things as building large aircraft carriers. Do you still have smart thoughts?
                    2. +1
                      14 July 2017 14: 18
                      Your thesis is that you don’t do anything, you don’t need a big mind for this. laughing
                      Refute wink
                      I’m not an expert, but your arguments are sucked from the finger, and maybe even from wherehi
                      1. +5
                        14 July 2017 14: 28
                        I wrote about the super aircraft carrier and its not necessary. So you are replacing my thesis and do meanness too. Not to mention that you didn’t say anything on the topic.
    2. +3
      14 July 2017 13: 35
      “Yes, and I don’t need it” is your opinion or the opinion of this boy? By the way. “Not needed” does not say in the article .. And I’m interested in your personal opinion like yesterday’s newspaper .. The concept of “not the most necessary” is not at all unnecessary. .
      Quote: Ken71
      All right. There is nowhere to build, nowhere to build, there is no money, and it is not needed.
      1. +3
        14 July 2017 13: 45
        This is my opinion expressed in a free discussion. How yesterday's newspapers are interesting people sticking labels instead of participating in the discussion. My opinion is based on the fact that the declared size of the aircraft carrier speaks of its use no less than in the ocean. The question arises which ocean he can go except the Arctic and in which ocean we need a super aircraft carrier and for what. Try to answer.
    3. +4
      14 July 2017 13: 48
      Ken71 - are you talking about your own country? Change the flag, and stop grinding nonsense .....
      1. +3
        14 July 2017 14: 05
        Yes, about your own. Which I wish only good. And I think that the construction of a super aircraft carrier can do nothing but harm to it.
    4. +3
      14 July 2017 14: 10
      Quote: Ken71
      Nowhere to build


      Quote: Ken71
      nowhere to be based

      Is there really nowhere?
      Quote: Ken71
      no money left

      Russian investments in US government bonds in March increased by $ 13,5 billion,

      By the end of 2016, the Bank of Russia bought 201 tons of gold ($ 7,5 billion)
      Quote: Ken71
      Yes and no need.

      This is a subjective opinion.
      1. +9
        14 July 2017 14: 24
        Where specifically to be based. Where do you know the infrastructure for making a ship of declared size. Where are the docks for building a ship of this size?
        It’s more complicated about money. You probably think that reserves and money for military needs are one and the same. So you think wrong. Construction money is laid in the budget. And he is in short supply. Although if Belarus abruptly and unexpectedly repay debts .... So your opinion is unfounded.
        1. +3
          14 July 2017 23: 30
          Quote: Ken71
          It’s more complicated about money. You probably think that reserves and money for military needs are one and the same. So you think wrong.

          So is there money or not? the reserve is when an urgent need arose, climbed into it and took as much as needed, which happened in 2008.
          Quote: Ken71
          Although if Belarus abruptly and unexpectedly repay debts ...

          And for what year did we not pay off our debts? Nobody forced you to lend to you, moreover, at a percentage that is higher than what you credit to the United States.
          You are confusing us with Ukrainians.
          . Hamovato write the name of the country with a small letter does not paint a person.
          Quote: Ken71
          So your opinion is unfounded.

          According to. If there is the political will of the Russian authorities, the aircraft carrier will be built, it will be assembled at Sevmash or Zvezda, sections will be manufactured at several shipyards, approximately like with Mistral, the Crimean bridge is much more expensive than an aircraft carrier but they find money for it.
          Many believe that Russia does not need an aircraft carrier, there is no trial.
          1. +3
            15 July 2017 07: 48
            That is, on other issues besides money, I convinced you. It's probably harder for money. I'm afraid it’s even impossible within the framework of this kind of correspondence. As with the same debts. It would seem much easier to have a reserve pay debts. But in the state everything is more complicated. and centrifugal reserves are simply not used to finance budget programs. Sorry about BELARUS accidentally happened. You have not repaid any debts for a long time. You just pay our interest with our new loan. You have long gone bankrupt, we just do everything so that this does not become apparent. Because it is not profitable for us either.
            1. +2
              15 July 2017 09: 03
              Quote: Ken71
              That is, on other issues besides money, I convinced you.

              Convinced of what? Is it that a Western carrier cannot be based in Russia or is Russia unable to build infrastructure for it? Or is it that they will not assemble an aircraft carrier at Sevmash? They plan to begin construction of a nuclear icebreaker with a displacement of 70000 tons at the Baltic Shipyard with a Rhythm 400 nuclear power plant, that is, a power plant for the aircraft carrier will already exist, it will not need to be developed specifically and large-section technologies in the Baltic have been developed. You can connect the Kerch Gulf, there you can also assemble an aircraft carrier.
              Quote: Ken71
              It's probably harder for money.

              Putin will decide and then collectively decide to allocate money and the chambers will support. Once again, the Crimean bridge. I agree not just, but who said that it will be simple ..
              Quote: Ken71
              As with the same debts. It would seem much easier to have a reserve pay debts.

              With debts simply, annual or monthly repayments of the loan according to the contract, in case of non-payment of penalties, deferred payments are possible.
              Quote: Ken71
              You have not repaid any debts for a long time. You just pay our interest with our new loan.

              It’s not true, we pay debts and interest, and we also take loans, but 90% of the countries in the world do this, our economic situation is unimportant, we essentially lost the Ukrainian market, and this was the second after Russia.
              Quote: Ken71
              You have long gone bankrupt

              Some exaggeration.
              1. +1
                15 July 2017 10: 33
                Large section of course you can. Like the type on the Mistral. And collect on the NSR. And drag it over the White Channel. And in what workshop we will not be shy to collect. Or maybe at the wall. Which if not a secret. And as for basing, you are also great. At which pier we’ll put a three hundred meter huge. Or at anchors as you yourself know whom. And about Belarus. You already spend loans entirely on debts. And it gives you only GDP from political reasons, so you are the same bankrupt as Ukraine. But don’t be afraid. Brothers will help.
                1. +1
                  15 July 2017 17: 20
                  Quote: Ken71
                  And in what workshop we will not be shy to collect.

                  Since you from Severodvinsk you know where they will collect, where Prirazlomnaya was collected, and sections will be assembled in the shops.
                  Quote: Ken71
                  And as for basing, you are also great.

                  We can do without ratings, this is superfluous.
                  Quote: Ken71
                  At which pier we’ll put a three hundred meter huge.

                  Each hulk has its own pier.
                  Quote: Ken71
                  And about Belarus. You already spend loans entirely on debts.

                  So what? Re-accredited and all right, if something goes wrong, file a lawsuit.
                  Quote: Ken71
                  And gives you only GDP from political reasons

                  We are in close production cooperation with you, we collect cars from your parts, with the loss of the Ukrainian market, sales problems, we paid for the parts but did not sell the cars, etc., Putin gives a loan and not alms.
                  Quote: Ken71
                  But do not be afraid.

                  Yes we are not afraid
                  .
                  Quote: Ken71
                  Brothers will help.

                  Yes, abroad will help us.
            2. +1
              18 July 2017 19: 01
              Liberast ??? This is me Ken71 ...
      2. +8
        14 July 2017 16: 55
        Russia even has problems with the repair of Kuznetsov and the construction of smaller vessels (such articles have repeatedly appeared here). What are the chances that they can build an aircraft carrier? In the current state - zero. That’s the whole truth.
    5. +3
      14 July 2017 19: 25
      Quote: Ken71
      Nowhere to build

      This is not an argument, the issue is being resolved.
      Quote: Ken71
      nowhere to be based
      it is too
      Quote: Ken71
      no money left
      this is also not an argument, because if it comes to vital necessities, then the issue is also resolved.
      Quote: Ken71
      yes and not needed
      but this is an argument, I am opposed to the construction of an aircraft carrier in the sense that the USA sees and builds it, I also don’t see, with our defense strategy, the clear, clear and thoughtful use of these basically grandiose and technically advanced ships. Hypersonic missiles made with this money will solve the issue of parity much more effectively. And as a joke - one disc eliminates all the power of an aircraft carrier.
      1. +3
        14 July 2017 22: 51
        Yuri. There is really nowhere to build. You will be very obligated if you say where. Kerch Peter or my native Severodvinsk
        .so everywhere you need to first build something in order to build this aircraft carrier. Another plus one price. Where to base the issue is also unsolvable. Baltic and Black Sea locked puddles. With the Pacific Fleet the same garbage. And the Northern Fleet certainly will not let you down, but there is nowhere to be based there either. Need to build. And with money even worse. It is necessary to invest in building capacities in the home base. That is, it’s not 9 lard, but all 30. And not even all. Because it still needs to be serviced
  4. +2
    14 July 2017 08: 19
    Pass it on to the importal shpchializdam, right now the aviki is not such a dream for everyone. The British trough was especially impressive! With near-mast vertical Penguins carrying a pound of load. But the Nippons bungled the faithful apparatus, antisubmarine destroyer helicopter carrier. With a sonar. If we creatively rework the idea of ​​30 thousand tons, under GTU, under the Redut air defense system, under the anti-ship missiles + missile and torpedoes, we get the most useful, and most importantly, able to even stand up for the ship alone.
    1. +7
      14 July 2017 08: 21
      Yamato was also able to fend for himself. Until I ran into aug
      1. +2
        14 July 2017 08: 27
        Well, of course, if you attack the fleet with all your might, then there is no market. wassat And so there is a chance to drown or severely damage the attacking avik even to the limit of the radius of the RCC. And in general, I am delaying in terms of the current combat stability of the Aviks against submarines.
        1. +1
          14 July 2017 08: 33
          Just not all. They say the US battleships cried and begged to hold on to the aug as they wanted to shoot themselves.
          1. +2
            14 July 2017 08: 41
            They say in Moscow hens are milked, battleships were used at the end of the war exclusively as floating batteries for an artillery strike on the coast. Before the anti-ship missiles, the Aviki steered, no, now, especially with the development of air defense systems, and Harpoon requires the deck to go within range and not the fact that it will cause critical damage.
            But the submarine for convoys or formations is a much more dangerous opponent, with its noise level, has a chance to merge with the roar of target screws. And the presence of anti-submarine helicopters with the expansion of the control zone will be useful.
            1. +2
              14 July 2017 09: 17
              You know very well the history of warriors in the Pacific Ocean and probably without difficulty list the battles in which battleships participated. By the way, Yamato was supposed to intercept the American battleships according to the original plan, which you will also find out if you read anything on the topic.
            2. +1
              14 July 2017 11: 46
              Quote: kugelblitz
              They say in Moscow hens are milked, battleships were used at the end of the war exclusively as floating batteries for an artillery strike on the coast.

              Right now, Oldendorf, Nishimura and Kurita were upset. smile
              And in the Philippines, a combination of American high-speed LCs cried: they had almost reached the ships of Ozawa - and then they were deployed to the south, where a group of Kurita from the Yamato smashed the Spreggyu jeeps.
              At that moment, the northern junction of the Japanese with two heavily damaged and out-of-flight aircraft carriers was 42 miles from the 400 mm guns of my battleships ... I did not take the opportunity I had dreamed of since my youth when I was still a cadet
              © Halsey
            3. +3
              14 July 2017 11: 52
              Quote: kugelblitz
              Before the anti-ship missiles, the Aviki steered, no, now, especially with the development of air defense systems, and Harpoon requires the deck to go within range and not the fact that it will cause critical damage.

              In fact, with the right choice of flight profile, the “Harpoon” does not require a deck to enter the affected area of ​​the air defense system. Because at low and extremely low altitudes, the given range of the air defense system is half to three times less than the range of the "Harpoon".
              The attack of the KUG of the USSR Navy with MV and PMV among the Yankees was considered as the main option back in the 80s of the last century.
              1. 0
                14 July 2017 20: 53
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Because at low and extremely low altitudes, the given range of the air defense system is half to three times less than the range of the "Harpoon".

                At low altitudes, the flight range is small - both missiles and aircraft.
                1. 0
                  17 July 2017 09: 51
                  Quote: Setrac
                  At low altitudes, the flight range is small - both missiles and aircraft.

                  Harpoon’s flight profile is just “small-extremely small”. And it’s not necessary for the planes to go the entire route to MV and PMV - it’s enough to start lowering when approaching the target so as to “dive” under the radio horizon / affected area of ​​the air defense missile system.
                  1. 0
                    17 July 2017 11: 27
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Harpoon’s flight profile is just “small-extremely small”. And it’s not necessary for the planes to go the entire route to MV and PMV - it’s enough to start lowering when approaching the target so as to “dive” under the radio horizon / affected area of ​​the air defense missile system.

                    Do not mix soft with sweet. For the RCC, the radio horizon does not matter (exaggerated), it needs to crash into the ship, because of the radio horizon, it still leaves.
                    The point is that planes need to be shot down from afar - before they are fired, and the missiles are knocked down as they approach the target.
  5. +17
    14 July 2017 09: 21
    Again an aircraft carrier. Or maybe it is better to saturate the fleet with corvettes, frigates, submarines? To start. Build landing ships, support ships. Repair and upgrade what is available. Ustinov of the same reanimate.
    1. +5
      14 July 2017 09: 44
      Gold words. We would also have the ocean into which the aircraft carrier could freely go.
    2. 0
      14 July 2017 10: 23
      Quote: Malkavianin
      it might be better to saturate the fleet with corvettes
      this is not our way tongue as Winnie-the-Pooh said ".. and you can without bread" laughing
      it’s a pity that they didn’t finish building Ulyanovsk, now I would go with Petya instead of Kuzi, would not smoke ..
    3. +4
      14 July 2017 12: 39
      And how to solve problems like the one that the Russian Aerospace Forces are solving now in Syria? Well, there are bases from which you can fly out and bomb, and if in the future there will be a similar situation in that part where there are no these airfields? Here you can’t do without an aircraft carrier. In fact, a floating airfield is a tool, an argument for solving just such problems. At least one is needed.
      1. +1
        14 July 2017 13: 49
        If there are no bases, this means that we invade and bomb without any invitation
        That is, an aircraft carrier as an instrument of aggression. What are the goals. Syria just showed the advantage of the base. Hello Kaptsov, by the way
      2. +3
        14 July 2017 14: 43
        If such a situation arises in the future, then we can be XNUMX% sure that we will definitely not be up to the aircraft carriers. And even if we fantasize, whom will we frighten with this aircraft carrier, even if there will be several of them? Countries of Europe? China? Japan? America? Not even funny. With Arabs, Persians, Turks and other Jews, it is more convenient for us to fight on land than on the sea. What is left? Drive blacks through deserts? So the aircraft carrier there is clearly redundant. So it turns out that the aircraft carrier seems to be a serious force, and there’s nowhere to use it plainly. And to build it, and only then look for tasks for it, in my opinion, stupidity. The technique is created for specific tasks, and not vice versa.
        1. 0
          16 July 2017 15: 22
          The aircraft carrier, in itself and with an active air wing, is of course nothing, the Kuzi campaign was a sad sight and showed that the Russian fleet does not have an effective AUG. But it’s precisely a full-fledged AUG, with 2-4 submarines and 8-10 destroyer-class ships, an aircraft carrier with 2 catapults and 90 LA, including LA EW and AWACS, can only be called a full-fledged fleet in the 21st century. No radar, even a helicopter with a radar, can compete with the sum of the radars of escort ships and AWACS aircraft, neither in speed, accuracy of determination and number of targets, nor in radius. It is unclear why everyone ignores the introduction of the X-47 UAV in the U.S. / GB fleets, such cakes can be placed on a bunch of aircraft carriers, but even the use of such a small and inconspicuous UAV for reconnaissance and target designation gives them a huge advantage.
  6. +3
    14 July 2017 12: 28
    In the era of space, he nafig is not needed. And the screech on this occasion is such that it would justify the American choice and the big waste in the construction of aviks. Like, the Russians are building Aviks too, so we are on the right track.
  7. +3
    14 July 2017 13: 37
    Shipbuilding, in my opinion, is one of the bottlenecks in the industry of modern Russia - it is necessary to build icebreakers for SevMorPuti, tankers for transporting LNG for Yamal (15 (!) Tankers were ordered in Korea, so far only one has been built), warships, submarines and much more another. In such a situation, it is important to prioritize correctly - what is needed first, and what can wait. An aircraft carrier may be needed, it’s not for me to judge, but the above types of ships are no less needed.
    1. +1
      14 July 2017 13: 50
      The same helicopter carriers like the Mistral are an order of magnitude more necessary.
      1. +1
        19 July 2017 16: 11
        and whom will you scare by helicopter carriers? the aircraft carrier doesn’t roll you, but the drawing is just right for you ... you can at least clearly explain the tasks of the menstrual.
  8. The comment was deleted.
  9. 0
    14 July 2017 14: 42
    Quote: Astoria
    Zachary Keck is the former managing editor of the National Interest.

    ----------------------------------
    What a cutie. I thought it was a wrinkled man with horn-glasses who was 55+, and then a looser with burning eyes. laughing
  10. +1
    14 July 2017 15: 18
    Just for the time being we need helicopter carriers again. And before 25 they don’t have to wait
  11. 0
    14 July 2017 22: 07
    We need to build, for Russia 9 billion is not a lot of money, Ukraine needs 3 billion, of course, organizational issues will bring more concern. It is clear that from a military point of view, building aircraft carriers is not such an urgent need, but we also need to worry about the reputation of Russia as a great power, otherwise we can’t wash ourselves off from comparing Russia with the “Gas Station”, the aircraft carrier ,, Storm ” of the many more expensive megaprojects already underway.
  12. 0
    18 July 2017 18: 43
    Undoubtedly, we can build an aircraft carrier, and even a larger and more powerful one. Moreover, we are able to build several such aircraft carriers, pieces 3-4, which will slightly reduce the cost of each separately. The question is different: WHY are they to us?
  13. 0
    18 July 2017 19: 18
    I recall, without going into details ... Recently, there have been articles and comments about our "killers" of aircraft carriers of the adversary. And who believes that the adversary does not or will not have such killers? The goal is that hoo. Maybe 9 billion bucks can be used for something more effective ... well, like Caliber, and newer, more efficient, faster and more inconspicuous.
  14. 0
    19 October 2017 19: 58
    Question to our experts. Would an aircraft carrier be useful if 1 or 2 missiles hit the take-off and spread out? Please respond in all seriousness. Senkyu.
  15. 0
    6 March 2018 19: 05
    I agree with the American that today the aircraft carrier with a displacement of 100000 tons is an unbearable, and most importantly not very necessary burden for the Russian Federation. There are multipurpose submarines, frigates, destroyers - yes, they are desperately needed, and the aircraft carrier pr.23000E is too early. We will not even have anything to accompany him. T.ch. have to wait. I think so.
  16. 0
    26 March 2018 10: 25
    It seems that the authors of the article made it to the Russian forums and 2010 comments of the year ... well, for now they will translate them for now.
    The article is nothing new - all this is already 8 years chewed and sucked

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"