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Give the army GAZ

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The article argues a certain one-sidedness of army training, which is seen during the exercise. Having experience in curating in the USSR Ministry of Automotive Industry of wheeled vehicles for both civilian and military purposes, I think the idea is valid and applied to cars.


In memory of the first days of the Patriotic War, when the car park was made up of three-ton ZILs and GAZ civilian lorries - the constructions of the middle 1920-s, half of which was mobilized in the national economy with a small residual resource. Cars for the commanding staff actually was not.

During the big maneuvers in June 2016 of the year, along with a positive assessment of military vehicles, cars were diplomatically characterized as a “problem asset”. Probably, it was not reduced to the reliability of KamAZ or Uralov. There is reason to believe that the problem could be the commander cars of the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant, the country's only producer of passenger army vehicles.

This is when the legendary “Niva” was mastered at VAZ with a fully localized component base, with a proven platform and unloaded production facilities, which allow in a short time and at a very reasonable price to organize the production of a lightweight commander vehicle with a simplified body, dual-purpose vehicles - military and rural - on the unified platform “Niva”, which will ensure the fulfillment of the obligatory condition: large circulation, and accordingly low price.

Give the army GAZ


By the way, the officer corps of the Wehrmacht had a sufficient number of "Kubebelvagenov" - lightweight cars of simplified design based on the popular "family", mass production of which has already mastered the "Volkswagen". It was a dual-purpose vehicle with all the benefits of it: functionality in difficult road and climate conditions in Russia, ease of maintenance, maintainability and low cost.

Before obtaining “Willis” under Lend-Lease, purely civilian M-1 were partially used as commanders. Commander-wheel-drive GAZ-67 in limited quantities was launched production in the 1943 year.

The famous four-wheel drive GAZ-69 with a simplified body (awning) for two decades (before the beginning of the 70-ies) was produced in large numbers as a dual-purpose, military-civilian vehicle, successful in all climatic zones of the Union.

I suppose that some military experts, reading these lines, do not hide the irony about the "archaic", being convinced that the very concept of "military vehicle" implies its participation in hostilities. Consequently, body armor, airborne weapons, etc. come to the fore. In fact, the transport component is designed to provide many different functions arising from the requirements of command mobility, small rapid response teams, etc. And it must be borne in mind that a dual-purpose machine is usually a mass-produced product, provided with standard consumables and spare parts, significantly reducing the severity of problems with the roads in the periphery with forty million residents of Russian villages and small towns. From the point of view of national security, such a car is also valuable in that the prerequisites are created for securing young people in rural areas, for motorization not only and not so much of large cities, but of the mass of citizens living in conditions of problem infrastructure and limited incomes.

Naturally, the level of comfort, respectability, but not safety and the required technical characteristics, in order to save will be reduced. But the functionality and reasonable price will ensure the demand not only in the domestic market, but, as GAZ-69 used in its time and today "Niva", will increase the export potential of a truly domestic auto industry.

Numerous proposals sent to interested departments, personally to the ministers Skrynnik, Fedorov, Serdyukov, Manturov to consider this urgent issue, requiring relatively small investments, mainly on the simplified body, ended with formal replies - bureaucratic masterpieces. Appeals addressed to some other leaders did not lead to positive results. And only the intervention of the chairman of the State Duma’s Defense Committee, V. A. Shamanov, and the commander-in-chief of the troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation, V. V. Zolotov, made it possible to get things moving. The problem has not yet found a final solution, but hope has emerged that automobilization will be the prerogative of not only million-plus cities, but — along with an increase in the mobility of power structures — the solution of urgent problems of the provinces.
And time is running out.
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  1. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 12 July 2017 15: 15
    +13
    What UAZ protrotrot finally recognized as real estate?
    1. AKC
      AKC 12 July 2017 16: 46
      +19
      In my opinion, Serdyukov correctly did that he did not give light to this. it painfully reminds how under the guise of care they will cut the budget !!!
      I have a passenger car and I'm sitting at the level of the arches of patriots, I pay attention to how many rusty patriots are, and this is for civilians who monitor the car, I ask how long the car will live if it is operated by army gouges in directions ???? and shniva is not better in reliability, given the fact that she has a body!
      the best option is the good old one, without any electronics, riding in slops, having a carburetor instead of an injector and other figs that only complicate the car (the only thing about which my opinion is not stable: it's air conditioning !!!) !!!! Only make a newcomer from modern materials, so that it would not even be killed anymore
      a jeep that should be such that it’s not scary to go into the jungle, so that in case of what you can repair it on the knee with a minimal set of tools.
      I wonder what will be the cost of a simplified model? and what does the author mean by this word?
      1. faiver
        faiver 12 July 2017 17: 48
        +5
        quite right, an army car should be as simple as three pennies
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          1. faiver
            faiver 12 July 2017 20: 52
            +7
            return 469 to put diesel and beauties on it

            as I recall - standing in the middle of the swamp knee-deep in water - sorting out the gas pump, putting it in place and moving on
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 12 July 2017 21: 31
              +6
              As I remember, in the cold - 30, the carburetor needle stuck. 15 minutes business. The motor did not even have time to cool.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 12 July 2017 21: 04
        +8
        Quote: AKC
        just make a newcomer from modern materials, so that it would not even be killed anymore

        The modern hunter is not just killed, he is self-breathing.
        Quote: AKC
        without any electronics, driving on slops, having a carburetor instead of an injector and other figs that only complicate the car

        Absolutely, the new engine in the field on the knee can not be repaired.
      3. Dzafdet
        Dzafdet 14 July 2017 19: 23
        0
        Quote: AKC
        In my opinion, Serdyukov correctly did that he did not give light to this. it painfully reminds how under the guise of care they will cut the budget !!!
        I have a passenger car and I'm sitting at the level of the arches of patriots, I pay attention to how many rusty patriots are, and this is for civilians who monitor the car, I ask how long the car will live if it is operated by army gouges in directions ???? and shniva is not better in reliability, given the fact that she has a body!
        the best option is the good old one, without any electronics, riding in slops, having a carburetor instead of an injector and other figs that only complicate the car (the only thing about which my opinion is not stable: it's air conditioning !!!) !!!! Only make a newcomer from modern materials, so that it would not even be killed anymore
        a jeep that should be such that it’s not scary to go into the jungle, so that in case of what you can repair it on the knee with a minimal set of tools.
        I wonder what will be the cost of a simplified model? and what does the author mean by this word?

        Unfortunately, the UAZ had trouble with the crankshaft oil seals in the engine. They flowed constantly ..
  2. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 12 July 2017 15: 17
    +7
    Before obtaining “Willis” under Lend-Lease, purely civilian M-1 were partially used as commanders. Commander-wheel-drive GAZ-67 in limited quantities was launched production in the 1943 year.

    Comrade Bashinjaghyan simplifies ... ©
    Between the Emka and the GAZ-67, the army received:
    - Commander’s all-wheel drive GAZ-61 (6 units in the phaeton version, 194 units in the sedan version):

    - All-wheel drive GAZ-64. The first domestic "jeep", more precisely - Russian variations on the theme of "pygmy" Ford. These “goats” were released as many as 672 units, though without division into commanders and tractors.
    And only after that GAZ began production of the GAZ-67.
  3. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 July 2017 15: 21
    +11

    Putin, the head of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, General Alexander Shevchenko and the pen "UAZ-Patriot". Frame from Life video
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 July 2017 15: 33
      +15
      The expression on Gerasimov’s face is priceless. smile
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 12 July 2017 15: 44
      +21
      Gerasimov's expression is priceless

      I do not believe that this is an accident. When the AZLK was destroyed, a similar story was with the door. Luzhkov could not open and suddenly she fell off.
      In a neighboring village, a peasant still drives to AZLK, he made such a tuning out of it, BMW can smoke on the sidelines. It is a pity that our auto industry did not use the potential of auto-homemade products. Among them were cars of amazing design. When we started producing CMOs in Kamaz, competitions were held here. What handsome men in the sketches were proposed for the contest!
      The same Izhevsk ODA could well be a competitive Sanedero-steppe in the all-wheel drive version and Cheviniva.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 July 2017 21: 35
        +9
        Do you remember home-made products in the program "You can do this"?
      2. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 14 July 2017 16: 53
        0
        The topic of auto-make potential is not disclosed. Can I have at least one example of impressive beauties from a competition in the studio?
  4. koshey1977
    koshey1977 12 July 2017 16: 31
    +16
    Does the author have experience driving a Niva and GAZ \ UAZ?
    I think not, otherwise he would have known that the Niva had never been positioned as an SUV, much less a military one, it simply lacked a safety margin for this (the military at one time considered the Niva and rejected this option according to the results of the verification). Niva from the source is positioned by the plant as a passenger car.
    For example, pulling a Niva that has sat down in a rut on the belly with anything other than a dynamic (stretching) sling is fraught with a detachment of the body part along with the side members. And in the military commissure, there were no stretching lines; in the best case, towing polypropylene, in the worst, steel cables. Not just because the military on unarmored vehicles still prefer frame designs.
    Z.Y., I’m writing not as a deflection towards the UAZ \ GAZ, the quality of their products has long been "below the plinth" :(
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 12 July 2017 16: 52
      +8
      Niva from the source is positioned by the plant as a passenger car.
      Once I saw an old Niva pulling a traffic jam on a dirt road after rain. And she pulled her neck, and the Oise tablet, and all the others. The command vehicle in the form of the technical specifications of the MO itself must be ordered and tested in different versions by its crews. It is clear that the transmission and engines of any Niva are rather weak, but tires are a separate issue. And did anyone think of an ambulance for evacuation from the battlefield? He must be with a winch and stay afloat to get to the sorting point.
      1. koshey1977
        koshey1977 12 July 2017 17: 14
        +13
        Quote: Balu
        And did anyone think of an ambulance for evacuation from the battlefield? He must be with a winch and stay afloat to get to the sorting point.

        So it was already, Lutsk TPK (Front Edge Conveyor) was limitedly adopted for service in auxiliary units. IT is just a floating amphibian with a winch
        Quote: Balu
        Once I saw an old Niva pulling a traffic jam on a dirt road after rain. And she pulled her neck, and the Oise tablet, and all the others.

        No matter where it was once, it is important that the frameless Niva is not able to do this all the time. All the same, neither Niva nor UAZ will be able to drive through the APCs on the portals, but the commander UAZ is dragging on a steel cable behind the APCs for an infinitely long time, unlike Niva. : D
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 12 July 2017 18: 58
        +1
        And did anyone think of an ambulance for evacuation from the battlefield?


        the waterman seemed to be for this. but something went wrong
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 July 2017 16: 59
    +7
    In memory of the first days of World War II - in what! the author is strong in memory .... not otherwise Duncan MacLeod ... Well, about the forgotten options Gas mNNXX and gas - 1 are already "shot". But I also want to notice this aspect -
    By the way, the Wehrmacht's officer corps had a sufficient number of Kübelvagens - lightweight cars of a simplified design based on the popular "family" ones, the mass production of which had already been mastered at Volkswagen.
    Then the author again falls into the hole. "Kubelvagen" was created on the basis of the EXPERIENCED "bug". And somehow it is strange that he presents the "family" base of a German car as a plus, and the civilian origin of our GAZ and ZIS is a minus ...
  6. andr327
    andr327 12 July 2017 20: 23
    +5
    Here you just need to raise the question of the purpose of the vehicles: combat support vehicles and the transport of everyday activities.
    drive for transporting a Pazik l / s or some super-KAMAZ with a kung on public roads. This is a long-standing army disaster. From our practice, our RDN headquarters drove me to the Urals for every need, the regiment commander dissected into an UAZ. And, in theory, an ordinary constipation would have been enough to excuse me everyday. and now the division commander in the UAZ, the platoon commander in the KAMAZ. In everyday life in 99% of cases army cars are not needed (in the good sense of the word).
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 July 2017 20: 43
    +5
    There are wonderful cars, they are just outside the GAZ and VAZ and KAMAZ systems:
  8. DesToeR
    DesToeR 12 July 2017 20: 44
    +5
    A military and civilian SUV at a low price was created in the USSR - LuAZ. The car is still relevant today. In Minsk in 2016, for the floating LuAZ version, the price was something around $ 4000. And this car is 30 years old. If he also had an aluminum body ...
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 14 July 2017 08: 13
      +7
      I’ll add (my father had one) water cooling and a normal stove are still desirable.
  9. Prutkov
    Prutkov 12 July 2017 20: 48
    +2
    I doubt that all generals ride the Patriots. In the daily life of the troops and Niva can find their place.
  10. Andrey Sukharev
    Andrey Sukharev 12 July 2017 21: 12
    +5
    This is when the legendary “Niva” was mastered at VAZ with a fully localized component base, with a proven platform and unloaded production facilities, which allow in a short time and at a very reasonable price to organize the production of a lightweight commander vehicle with a simplified body, dual-purpose vehicles - military and rural - on the unified platform “Niva”, which will ensure the fulfillment of the obligatory condition: large circulation, and accordingly low price.


    Smiled! The author is new to the realities of AvtoVAZ. There is no localization there - China is everything to us!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 July 2017 20: 03
      0
      Quote: Andrey Sukharev
      There is no localization there - China is everything to us!

      Well, not all. but a lot.
  11. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 12 July 2017 21: 58
    +6
    Great car "Niva", especially for our northern off-road! I traveled two, now I go to the "Shniva". This is heavier, worse terrain, and just the engine is rather weak for a heavier body. But the wife wanted five doors (three is not enough for her!) In the everyday activities of the officers, the super-off-road vehicle is not needed, which is usually heavier and more voracious than the Niva. And on the cross due to the lower weight, the Niva will give odds to the UAZ, especially if with the right tires. Yes, and the price of the current "Patriot" is more expensive than the "Niva".
  12. Technician
    Technician 12 July 2017 22: 07
    +3
    Let the author give the army his GAZ, if he has one.
    The army is a strange budget organization that first stored about a million cars in light-burning herds in warehouses, then brought down the auto industry - ZIL, GAZ freight mass sale of cars, now they need to “give” new cars - why, if Europe is captured, is there along the way a lot of cars, let them take it if America is a truck in the ocean is not very suitable - as lemmings jump off a cliff and that's all ...
    And the army can buy whatever it wants - there was also a Mercedes minister, but it is better to stay away from his adventures and his followers.
  13. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 12 July 2017 23: 30
    +1
    NIVA 2111 for patency, comfort is better than UAZ, but the most amazing gas 69 was more loved and hardy.
  14. Clone
    Clone 13 July 2017 00: 18
    0
    I believe that in determining the "model" of the commander's "ashtray", only one factor should be taken into account - this is a car for use in exclusively peacetime or long-distance movement in a "special period". Therefore, in one case it could be Niva, UAZ, but somewhere “Duster” or “Logan” (as an example) ... If only during the campaign, “Geliki” wouldn’t buy it under this parameter ... feel
    “Urfin Juice”, having withdrawn from command the UAZ commanders, once again confirmed its absolute “furniture” nature and complete ignorance of the realities of everyday army life on the ground. It’s one thing when the company car moves the ass of the commander’s wife to the shops in space and quite another when the wheels are used for round-the-clock support of military training and economic activities of military units and ...
  15. datur
    datur 13 July 2017 00: 41
    +2
    Quote: DesToeR
    A military and civilian SUV at a low price was created in the USSR - LuAZ. The car is still relevant today. In Minsk in 2016, for the floating LuAZ version, the price was something around $ 4000. And this car is 30 years old. If he also had an aluminum body ...
    --- Luaz it was a battlefield machine !!! nurse !!! no more!!! like a protractor-horror !!! however like all cars of this class !!!
  16. saygon66
    saygon66 13 July 2017 01: 20
    +5
    - We must turn to the experience of craftsmen ... wink Put "Niva" on a stretcher, like VW Golf CrossCountry, and a diesel engine, "aspirated" on 1,9 liter - like Renault.
    - A wonderful machine would come out!
  17. dokusib
    dokusib 13 July 2017 03: 51
    +1
    My friends have a fad about Niva. Type of hunting only on it. You have to travel around the city periodically. In my trips Niva causes only laughter. On the new car, the razdatka howls as if the car is now taking off. Six months later, the electronics turned off. On the old Niva, they simply carried the distributor with them and changed it, and here, during the month, I stood in the service several times. Another Niva five-year plan in service costs more often than my seventeen-year-old X-Trail.
  18. iouris
    iouris 13 July 2017 10: 49
    0
    I see a picture: the commander in front rides on the Gazika, and behind him are his subordinates on the low-maintenance Bekh, Toyota, and so on. and so on.
  19. Brushing
    Brushing 13 July 2017 14: 14
    +1
    Why do army cars ??? - If the war starts, then SUVs can be confiscated from private individuals ... laughing
  20. Brushing
    Brushing 13 July 2017 14: 16
    0
    Quote: dokusib
    My friends have a fad about Niva. Type of hunting only on it. You have to travel around the city periodically. In my trips Niva causes only laughter. On the new car, the razdatka howls as if the car is now taking off. Six months later, the electronics turned off. On the old Niva just they took the distributor with them and changed it and here during the month several times in the service was. Another Niva five-year plan in service costs more often than my seventeen-year-old X-Trail.

    Nda-s ... with a distributor still that subject .... laughing
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  22. koshey1977
    koshey1977 15 July 2017 21: 29
    0
    Quote: Dzafdet
    Unfortunately, the UAZ had trouble with the crankshaft oil seals in the engine. They flowed constantly ..

    For 25 years there have been no problems with oil seals, they have stopped putting packing on the 402 motor
  23. koshey1977
    koshey1977 15 July 2017 21: 32
    +1
    Quote: DesToeR
    A military and civilian SUV at a low price was created in the USSR - LuAZ. The car is still relevant today. In Minsk in 2016, for the floating LuAZ version, the price was something around $ 4000. And this car is 30 years old. If he also had an aluminum body ...

    Not LUAZ, but TPK, Front End Conveyor. And on the citizen, yes, on the basis of the TPK, they made LUAZ.
    Luaz is NOT floating, he has a collapsible floor above the motor.
  24. Galleon
    Galleon 16 July 2017 09: 24
    +4
    Frame ... not rusting body ... rogue ... diesel ...
    Maybe it’s easier to buy a license for the production of Land Rover Defender, than poking around in fantasies?
    And the body is aluminum.
  25. koshey1977
    koshey1977 16 July 2017 09: 43
    +2
    Quote: Galleon
    Frame ... not rusting body ... rogue ... diesel ...
    Maybe it’s easier to buy a license for the production of Land Rover Defender, than poking around in fantasies?
    And the body is aluminum.

    Small-cubic diesel (up to 3 liters) is still that quest for hand-clasped owners, I generally am silent about the quality of fuel at army tank farms and conscripts. : D
    Defender, by the way, is not the best option for the army, and aluminum in the presence of a steel frame and hodovka rots first - 40 summer defects are not abundant. Optimal in layout and engine / transmission for the command vehicle in the army would be something like a Land Cruiser 60 or 70 with a gasoline.
  26. Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 26 July 2017 18: 22
    0
    Shniva - crap!
    This bespontovschina, for domestic purposes can not be taken, and to fight on it - absolutely crazy idea !!!