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Lyosha is right. And who is wrong?

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Lyosha is right. And who is wrong?



Recently, one often hears and reads about blatant disrespect for the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators — now in Ukraine, now in Poland, now in the Baltic States, somewhere else. Unfortunately, in Russia, not everyone understands the scale of the feat of those who fought with the "plague of the twentieth century."

True, if in countries where Russophobia is actually elevated to the rank of ideology, the fight against monuments is at the state level - in Russia, thank God, for the time being there have been some incidents. However, it cannot but be disturbed by the fact that there are more and more such cases. And the profane are the representatives of the younger generation.

Recently a case has thundered all over the country in Karelia, in the town of Belomorsk. Four adolescents, not burdened by excess intelligence, climbed on a monument to the Heroes of World War II. One of them threw up his hand in Hitler’s greeting. The resulting image was replicated "in contact".

Police officer Alexei Gekkin, seeing the ugly photo, called the signers "moral invalids" and other unflattering words. For that, the mother of one of the “heroes” of the snapshot complained of him.

Instead of having a preventive conversation with her own son, to ask herself where and what she failed to do, this woman decided to make an extreme police officer. A person who, perhaps, spoke out harshly and even rudely, but in fact is true.

Alexey was threatened with major troubles in connection with the complaint, however, a flash mob in support of him with the hashtag #Lёshraprav was organized on the network. Not only law enforcement officers, but also users of social networks, and even famous people joined this action.

It is understandable. When normal people watch wild orgy in Ukraine, they don’t want all this to happen in Russia. To appear aggressive crowds, deciding which monument to stand and which one does not. In addition, as the same Ukrainian experience shows, from desecrating a memorial to violence against people - one short step.

In one of the interviews (this “Komsomolskaya Pravda”) a teenager named Sasha justified his actions as follows: “I wanted to parody Lenin"(Very" smart "aspiration, nothing to say). It turned out that earlier the boy was quite seriously interested in the ideas of Hitler and could not know whose greeting he depicts.

Actress Maria Kozhevnikova, who supported the #Leshaprav’s action, said: “It is terrible that we have such mothers. Instead of raising a son or explaining his offspring to his son, he spends time writing applications to a person who has called things by their proper names».

Parents of teenagers who were entertained in this way (including the girl who photographed) were fined one hundred rubles. However, it is unlikely that a fine can solve this problem, which goes beyond individual families.

This is not the first and not the last case when the younger generation with disdain relates to stories own country.

After the sensational case in Belomorsk a similar scandal erupted in the city of Lower Tour of the Sverdlovsk region. At the memorial, a couple made a frivolous photo session: a bare-chested guy with a bottle and a cigarette hugging a girl, standing directly on the flowers brought to the Eternal Flame. Citizens in the comments to the picture call to punish fans of this kind of self-administrative detention.

And here is the “fresh” case in Stavropol. 6 July two girls decided to arrange a photo session on the monument "The Fire of Eternal Glory." At the same time they climbed straight on the stone faces of the heroes. When they made a remark, they found an excuse for themselves: “We are not local, we don’t know what we can climb, what we don’t.” Residents of the Stavropol Territory in this connection recalled the incident in Kislovodsk in May 2016. Then one of the girls posed in the picture, lighting up the Eternal Flame.

Why are young people so flippant with the history of their own country? To their peers who accomplished feats in 1941-1945?

It’s hard to imagine that people like that brought up by the Soviet school do something similar.. And then ... Then began the liberal "debunking" of the Heroes and their exploits. Nasty statues in which it was stated that “everything is not so simple”.

It seems that the 90-s with their frantic anti-Soviet and Russophobic propaganda are a thing of the past. But these incidents are their belching. These are the consequences of the lack of patriotic education. The consequences of the fact that the pioneer organizations were barbarously defeated, along with the houses of the pioneers, with circles, with all that allowed to bring up the younger generation.

Even now - despite the "Immortal Regiment" and parades in honor of Victory Day - continue to show films in which "everything is not so simple." Almost every day, one or the other liberal begins to broadcast on the air that "Stalin and Hitler are the same thing" or even "communism is worse than fascism." All this contributes to the fact that for the younger generation (at least - for its individual representatives) there is nothing sacred.

However, these zigyuyuschih, grimacing and building faces at memorials, at the Eternal Flame, at the mass graves - there are “lawyers” and from among adults. "Just think, what's wrong with that?" Well, they took pictures, ”they say. As if they do not understand that it is possible to take pictures near the monument in different ways. You can just get up and do not wriggle (but then, fear lovers of such photo shoots, it will be "not fun", which means there will not be enough "likes").

Well yes. We have already heard it somewhere. "Onizhedeti" ... There, too, it all started with harmless jumps, or rather, with frantic propaganda, which debunks the feat of the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War ...
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  1. Moore
    Moore 10 July 2017 06: 39
    +19
    But these incidents are their burping. These are the consequences of the lack of patriotic education.

    Not only patriotic - just education. Parents had to instill rules of good form on degenerate on flowers and writings, climbing the faces of monuments. With rods, a belt and a detailed explanation of how they, human children, differ from other primates.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 July 2017 07: 01
      +27
      Quote: Moore
      Parents had to instill rules of good form on degenerate on flowers and writings, climbing the faces of monuments. With rods, a belt and a detailed explanation of how they, human children, differ from other primates.

      A colleague, some parents are no different from their offspring, there is no longer a belt, but a kick from the country in which they live and to which they shit, and their grandfathers were dying for them. negative So: - "LESHA RIGHT" hi
      1. 210ox
        210ox 10 July 2017 07: 08
        +21
        These "ziguyuschih" must be for three months summer for social work to clean the territory from garbage left by the same nonsense .. Yes, so that there would be no free time. Um through the corns ...
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: Moore
        Parents had to instill rules of good form on degenerate on flowers and writings, climbing the faces of monuments. With rods, a belt and a detailed explanation of how they, human children, differ from other primates.

        A colleague, some parents are no different from their offspring, there is no longer a belt, but a kick from the country in which they live and to which they shit, and their grandfathers were dying for them. negative So: - "LESHA RIGHT" hi
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 10 July 2017 07: 12
          +12
          Quote: 210ox
          These “ziguyuschih” must be for three months summer for social work on cleaning the territory from garbage left by the same idiots ..

          Yes, together with his parents, Dmitry, since he didn’t get through his head, he will get through his hands. hi
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 07: 52
            +1
            You forgot about school teachers.
            1. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 10 July 2017 14: 40
              +4
              What about school teachers? School teachers now have almost zero authority over shkolota. Well, if they are not sent in three letters.
              1. Alexander Nezgovorov
                Alexander Nezgovorov 10 July 2017 17: 45
                +1
                already send ...
      2. nizhegorodec
        nizhegorodec 10 July 2017 11: 21
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        So: - "LESHA RIGHT"

        He is right unambiguously! But the fact that
        It’s hard to imagine that people like that brought up by the Soviet school do something similar.
        I don’t agree, just then the media didn’t cut it off and the Internet wasn’t, in so-called closed letters to the party organization bureau in the late 70s already indicated the moral corruption of young people and about acts of vandalism over monuments, too. Only a family can raise a patriot, the state is on secondary roles here. How did the Russian people honor their heroes 200-300 years ago without the help of the state?
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 10 July 2017 07: 03
      +12
      HERE !!!
      Not only public condemnation is necessary, but also public punishment!
      Nothing to be shy about! Spank in public - let selfies do against this background!
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 07: 51
        +1
        Gallows on Red Square and chopping block heads.
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 21
          0
          Why not? For crimes of appropriate gravity.
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 July 2017 07: 08
      +11
      Quote: Moore
      should have been parents.

      These "parents" themselves must be educated - and they are the "children of perestroika" and received liberal education. Alas!
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 10 July 2017 07: 52
      +4
      According to recent estimates, up to 70% of State Department grants go to the media and television. So what are we going to see in the box, if only this year it is planned to spend 80 billion on them (in terms of wood) belay
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 10 July 2017 12: 54
      +5
      For starters, at least just explain to teens what kind of monuments they are and what they symbolize. They stupidly do not understand - that they did wrong. belay And when a teenager does not understand why he is being punished or condemned, he turns on the “unfair world against me” regime. The first thing to explain to children and adolescents is "what is good and what is bad." But if he understood, but makes it out of a sense of contradiction - then the rods are already in use. And the teenager will understand why. request
  2. victorsh
    victorsh 10 July 2017 06: 53
    +14
    HUNDRED rubles are evaluated for the lives of the fallen. I do not call for criminal liability for these debts and their deby parents, but the black mark should be put to such parents and THEIR CHILDREN! NO normal work. If they are "businesses", NO normal contracts! Tough? NO! Sk-you !!!
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 10 July 2017 07: 06
      +6
      I fully support! And such "black lists" can and should be compiled by public patriotic organizations - why not?
      After all, they publicly humiliate both the DIGNITY of the fallen and the dignity of their living descendants.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 10 July 2017 08: 06
        +2
        Quote: Victor N
        After all, they publicly humiliate both the DIGNITY of the fallen and the dignity of their living descendants.


        And where to put Gozman, Sytin and other Makarevichs, Aleksievichs, Amnuels ?! They, after all, do not go quiet, but “broadcast” to the open, to the general public that in Russia “not everything is so simple.”
        1. victorsh
          victorsh 10 July 2017 08: 34
          +6
          And ENOUGH to look at the "civilized" world. I looked OldAdvisor [/ b "] of the First Russian Channel to Gordon,“ Ukrainian ”Dzh. I can’t censor-slave Nevzorov.“ 600 ”sec. is the first criminal“ channel. ”Good reports about horses — well, we have every second elite horses and we (judging by the advertising) have the opportunity to buy cars on the "lyam". And here I [b] hang.Of course! Echo of Moscow-state-owned company, A. Nevzorov-state-owned company. List the rest-laziness. NO. Guys. Anti-propaganda is coming at MY ACCOUNT!
        2. seal78
          seal78 10 July 2017 17: 31
          +2
          Also flogging publicly.
    2. K.E.A.
      K.E.A. 10 July 2017 07: 27
      +4
      Label in the form of a criminal article. So that later, except as a loader, I couldn’t get anywhere at the station (la).
    3. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 10 July 2017 18: 56
      +4
      The leadership of Aleksey Gekkin seems inadequate, even without a legal education, it is clear that the phrase moral invalids cannot be offensive, since it consists of two words that are not inherently offensive: well, people with disabilities indicate the very limitations (the terms disability and disability themselves - quite legally usable), and moral - on the moral character of limitedness. The policeman should file a complaint with a higher authority and the court, where he can solicit the appointment of a forensic linguistic examination. Well, even if you agree with the fact that he insulted someone and admit the justice of the official penalty, 100 rubles for a socially dangerous act is nothing at all.
  3. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 06: 54
    +3
    Instead of just flogging a juvenile moron who is hardly a convinced fascist, the Goebels level arranged a damn thing.
    1. Smog
      Smog 10 July 2017 08: 49
      +3
      Quote: Ken71
      Instead of just flogging a juvenile moron

      Who should flog?
      Quote: Ken71
      arranged the hell knows what.

      What did they do? And who arranged?
      [quote juvenile moron] [/ quote]
      You are careful. His mom can complain about you for insulting a child.
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 July 2017 09: 03
        +5
        earlier (under the tsar) they were flogged, it seems, by firefighters, maybe indeed - back to practice .... hi
        1. Smog
          Smog 10 July 2017 09: 06
          +8
          Quote: novel xnumx
          flogged, like, firemen,

          Firefighters are also welcome. Flog it. What about mom? Firemen, they, of course, can, and mom ... laughing
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 July 2017 09: 08
            +6
            and mother - she also lacks her mind - and add through the back gate, but on her example, many people will grow wiser
            1. Smog
              Smog 10 July 2017 09: 13
              +3
              Quote: novel xnumx
              and mom

              Firemen will mumble
              through the back gate
              and she will like it!
              And he will send his child to “exploits” to earn “punishment”. Nah, this is not a promising thing when through the back gate.
              1. novel66
                novel66 10 July 2017 09: 16
                +7
                Well, maybe like the Chinese - on the heels of bamboo, so that your favorite Louboutins then do not fit? somehow nadozh
                1. Smog
                  Smog 10 July 2017 09: 26
                  +8
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  somehow nadozh

                  Only execution, ........ by hanging. (Joke)
                  Such people only understand the ruble. and that the fine was not symbolic, 100 rubles. But it’s impressive that the child’s strength didn’t have enough to climb on the pedestal of the monument, and the mother decided to buy a loaf of bread for a meal or a cheap pen, file a complaint.
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 10 July 2017 09: 32
                    +6
                    when there is such a stratification in terms of living standards, it is difficult to choose the size of the fine in order to be adequate, but everyone has their own ass!
                    1. seal78
                      seal78 10 July 2017 17: 29
                      +2
                      Why is it difficult? As a percentage of salary, proportionally. To oblige employers to fulfill everything.
                    2. Victor N
                      Victor N 13 July 2017 11: 58
                      0
                      Wisely! Really judged!
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 10 July 2017 09: 46
          +8
          Quote: novel xnumx
          earlier (under the king) flogged

          hi Hi flyer!
          It’s necessary to break since childhood, but right now the train is already that-and-that! I had a case in the 89th, an individual arrived after training ..... I can’t insert a thread into a needle, I’m too lazy to brush my teeth. Two weeks later, it became so dirty that it was unpleasant to stand nearby. He ordered it to be poured into the shower room with powder and washed. This poets immediately scribble mommy type kill and mock the boy. A week later, a mother arrives with an activist from the "Soldiers' Mothers", I sent these girls to a Belgian city! In the photo the name of the city at number 8

          True, then they ate fought off NachPo's unconventional creeps bully
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 July 2017 09: 50
            +4
            well done for fighting off, political separatists really. such unconventional
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            1. Serg65
              Serg65 10 July 2017 14: 39
              +6
              Quote: Jagdhund
              And who in this case is Chushkar ??

              For special hounds I remind you Army is not a kindergarten! If you don’t know how, we will teach, but if you don’t want to, then excuse me!
              Quote: Jagdhund
              powder washes like a dog

              Are you worried about your colleague in appearance? So write a petition to Greenpeace, I hope they help you!
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          3. Navigator Basov
            Navigator Basov 10 July 2017 19: 10
            0
            Better on the mountain in Peru - there further.
      2. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 09: 51
        0
        Flog father. Five-minute hate discussion also took place.
      3. udincev
        udincev 10 July 2017 17: 44
        0
        Quote: Smog
        His mom can complain about you for insulting a child.

        Let him write a complaint about the fact that she brought up a moron.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 10 July 2017 09: 26
      +7
      Quote: Ken71
      arranged the hell knows what.

      Tell me how it happened. During the war, your city has such horrors and deprivations that others would not even dream about in a terrible dream, and this same city became the homeland of Russian punks later developed into fascists. It just doesn't fit in my head, HOW ???
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 July 2017 09: 30
        +4
        great seaman! hi , and so that the Soviet government (such bad) led the same patriotic education, and now everything is somehow at the mercy of the parents. for some reason I’m sure of you! soldier soldier
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 10 July 2017 09: 51
          +5
          Quote: novel xnumx
          the Soviet government (such bad) led a patriotic education,

          It is regrettable for Roma, but it was the Soviet government that created this abomination.
          Quote: novel xnumx
          for some reason I’m sure of you!

          My grandfather beat my grandfather until he was 20 years old, my grandfather beat my father until 18 winked ), Dad beat me up to 18, too, well, ponimash himself is not for me to retreat from the traditions of my ancestors bully
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 July 2017 10: 11
            +6
            Well, probably 18. busting - people say "while across the bench lies" and then it is already useless. I remembered a joke
            father - son "will have to flog you, though, believe me. it will be very unpleasant for me"
            son - "well, who do you want to give pleasure?"
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 10 July 2017 10: 16
              +2
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Well, probably 18. brute force

              winked Yes, not friendly, just a week before leaving for school .... I smelled tobacco, only fast legs and saved me from imminent death recourse
            2. novobranets
              novobranets 10 July 2017 17: 33
              +2
              Or such an option.
              At the seventh grader in the backpack, my mother found a set of sadomaso. . For this reason, a family council is gathering in the kitchen. Father: - Well, as I understand it, it is useless to smack you ...
              But seriously, this “child’s” fine is 100 rubles, this is an excuse for the court, such as “took action”. Who will pay this ridiculous fine? Naturally, the mother, who rolled the cart, thereby actually supported her idiot in his actions. So what, someone is waiting for this child to repent? I don’t think so. Here, people correctly offered a broom in their hands, and until September 1 occupational therapy, well, if it doesn’t reach through their hands, then they should use a belt on the fifth fulcrum, which would be before the New Year, while the child was attending education during the lessons.
          2. novobranets
            novobranets 10 July 2017 17: 14
            +3
            Quote: Serg65
            , Dad beat me up to 18, too, well, ponimash himself isn’t for me to retreat

            laughing
        2. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 09: 55
          0
          Soviet power was dared by educated people.
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 July 2017 10: 08
            +3
            there is a fifth column in any country, ours were helped from above, betrayal from above is not treated
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 10: 41
              +1
              Let me remind you that they didn’t really mind from below.
              1. novel66
                novel66 10 July 2017 10: 46
                +6
                I recall the referendum on the preservation of the USSR - who was asked?
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 10: 53
                  0
                  Let's not confuse the USSR and Soviet power. By the way, you personally did what to save the USSR. In addition to the referendum.
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 10 July 2017 11: 09
                    +5
                    to his shame - nothing. although now, looking back, I think I would want to - and what could? we were not ready for betrayal from above
                    1. Kenxnumx
                      Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 11: 39
                      +2
                      Here I am nothing. And in general I thought that it would be better.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 10 July 2017 10: 10
            +2
            Quote: Ken71
            Soviet power was dared by educated people.

            I do not even agree with you, the Soviet government ended on November 10, 1982.
            1. seal78
              seal78 10 July 2017 17: 36
              0
              I think that on March 5, 1953, unfortunately.
            2. udincev
              udincev 10 July 2017 17: 56
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Soviet power ended on November 10, 1982

              And not February 25, 1956?
      2. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 09: 54
        0
        Very simple. This is a dumb childish protest over the excess of adult pressure on the brain. If you focus on it, the opposition will grow up if you do not focus on it and just explain, in most cases a normal person will grow up who will remember how about childish stupidity.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 10 July 2017 10: 09
          +4
          Quote: Ken71
          This is a dumb childish protest over the excess adult pressure on the brain

          Hmmm, then why was there no such childish protest in other cities of the USSR? In the early 80s, only your city celebrated with a torchlight procession on April 20! And do you think this is childish pranks?
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 July 2017 10: 23
            +5
            who presses them? in my opinion their freedom is over the edge. here and lapses from thoughtlessness1
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 10: 35
              0
              This is your way. And in their opinion they are crushing. I have an older 20, I passed this children's protest in stages. Soon the youngest will begin.
              1. novel66
                novel66 10 July 2017 10: 49
                +2
                the eldest -16, did not notice something behind him
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 10: 56
                  0
                  Now it will begin. But in fact, it’s easier with guys. I myself remember.
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 10 July 2017 11: 07
                    +2
                    it’s easier to keep in touch with guys
          2. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 10: 33
            0
            I didn’t even know about it. That is, in the city this event did not have a resonance. I will say it again. The lack of interest and resonance for young people makes the protest itself not interesting. If the law has been violated, then the police are engaged in this.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 10 July 2017 10: 50
              +2
              Quote: Ken71
              That is, in the city this event of resonance did not have

              Well, if it didn’t, they calmly brought the torchbearer column to the Alexander Nevsky Lavra, “voluntarily” put them on buses, took them to the Gatchina region and “rehabilitated” them a little. And the inhabitants of the city whirled for a long time in the corners about it.
  4. Monster fat
    Monster fat 10 July 2017 07: 16
    +1
    And this can not be stopped. The all-train is gone, a new generation is coming that understands the simple truth-money and power — that's all, everything else is an ideological “tinsel”.
    1. udincev
      udincev 10 July 2017 18: 02
      0
      you, .
      Quote: Monster-Fat
      money and power is everything, everything else is ideological "tinsel"
      but not in Russia.
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: udincev
        you, .
        Quote: Monster-Fat
        money and power is everything, everything else is ideological "tinsel"
        but not in Russia.

        Unfortunately he is right. Those who are now 18-20 and less, in the majority, are already brought up on these principles, especially if their parents are businessmen of the 90s.
  5. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 07: 38
    0
    And what to do with people who play tanks in German cars.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 10 July 2017 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: Ken71
      Tanks are played on German cars.

      If only we played ... An example of two days ago is the VK group, dedicated to tanks and the history of armored vehicles. It seems that everything is normal (although the content is so-so) ... The admins of the group have repeatedly stated that the group is "outside of politics" .... Well, well, outside - outside, BUT ... I began to notice the layout of various provocative drawings or photos - what you can’t do in the pursuit of rating. Plus, some kind of voting, where this group ended up in the company of such resources ... (for example, "Muesli of Liberoic Whores"). But the very moment came two days ago, when a drawing was hung on the wall in this group: the Soviet village, Wehrmacht soldiers were riding along the street on motorcycles, civilians were standing on the sidelines ... There are no complaints about the drawing itself (most likely taken from some or books about the war), but, with .., the signature ... "Good morning!" To the demand to remove this, the administrator, sincerely perplexed, puzzled something about the "sense of humor and the non-political nature of the resource" - and this is not a teenage half-educated person, but quite an adult organism, posing as its own unprincipledness as "neutral." PS "... And tell me, Levushkin, where do these Mitrokhins come from? -It is known where - from dampness ..." (cf. "There is no turning back ..")
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 10 July 2017 11: 41
        +1
        Damn, I drove into Warships on a German ship last night. Now I’ll go to the police to give up. Although it may excuse me that the Russians have pumped me to level 8 and the Germans to 5.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 10 July 2017 11: 57
          +4
          Quote: Ken71
          Damn, I drove into Warships on a German ship last night.

          But who is against something, play for health - is it really in games?
          Quote: Ken71
          Now I’ll go to the police to give up.

          For the "toys" - only in the nursery, registered. laughing Damn it, is it really about this? In my home “Kubinka” (1:72), the Wehrmacht technique is also represented, and is represented extensively. It is not at all a matter of what and how a person "plays." The important thing is what is a person’s position in real life, and what principles motivate him. And the games ... Shortly before the start of the Second World War, at KShU, G.K. Zhukov himself “played for the Germans” ... and, by the way, he won.
          1. Navigator Basov
            Navigator Basov 10 July 2017 19: 39
            +2
            Among the players, there are no more people with an unacceptable position in real life than outside the game. Many players play almost exclusively on German technology, and I haven’t noticed any Nazi or fascist inclinations in this regard. This is often explained by the fact that this technique in the game is more suitable for them tactically, someone just likes the high general technical level (historically objective), all these more advanced technologies for their age, good optical devices, thermal imaging sights, that's all. The game has exactly the same Banderastanders, glorifying Ukraine, in pseudonyms and avatars of the forum occasionally clean up Nazi symbols, which does not correlate with the technique used in the game. Once, it was a matter, the clan in a training battle from tanks built a swastika - of course, from hooligan considerations, to cleanly waste the Lalka, and not for ideological reasons - forever banned the entire composition of the clan, such things. Everything is sporadic, just like real life.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 10 July 2017 22: 11
              +1
              Quote: Navigator Basov
              Everything is sporadic, just like real life.

              Duc, "the invented world is more convenient to manage." (C)
            2. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 39
              +1
              Quote: Navigator Basov
              Once, it was a matter, the clan in a training battle from tanks built a swastika - of course, from hooligan considerations, to cleanly waste the Lalka, and not for ideological reasons - forever banned the entire composition of the clan, such things. Everything is sporadic, just like real life.

              They called it the "mill", trying to avoid punishment, but too many other and game admins including counted as idiots. Share it. That clan has always been peculiar and has long been asking for it.
        2. Airman
          Airman 10 July 2017 17: 15
          0
          Technique is a soulless iron with symbols that you can wash off and apply your own. Here everything is much worse. Although, let's hope that everyone gets wiser with age.
        3. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 36
          +1
          Quote: Ken71
          Damn, I drove into Warships on a German ship last night. Now I’ll go to the police to give up. Although it may excuse me that the Russians have pumped me to level 8 and the Germans to 5.

          As an avid player in VoT I myself play it. technique, however, at the same time not a drop I do not associate myself with non-fascist ideology.
          You are replacing concepts. Playing a game on it. you don’t demonstrate the support of fascism to technology, but zig-zing on monuments is quite to yourselves. No need to compare the incomparable. As if to compare that if you drive a BMW, Audi, Mercedes - a fascist.

          By the way, there was a story about the "mill" in VoT, so the clan was dissolved for this, rightly. In jokes, humor, political apathy, one must know the measure.
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 10 July 2017 19: 21
      0
      And what's wrong with that in itself? Many tank players are keen on military history, like me, for example. A significant part of the players, who prefer German technology to others, thinks it is stronger: it’s a game, you need to win, and it’s better for them to do it in Germany, if only by virtue of more accurate guns (maybe subjectively, but in the game it is, and not far from the truth, if not by the guns themselves, then by ammunition). In the game itself, complete neutrality is observed in this regard, there is nothing to complain about.
      German tanks stand in our museums, people look at them, take pictures of them, and so what? Do they all adhere to Nazi or fascist ideology? What kind of martyrdom?
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 July 2017 07: 46
    +3
    For the support of the policeman, of course, thanks to normal people. Well done. And about
    not burdened with excess intelligence
    in my opinion and not worth commenting. Elena wrote correctly and capaciously.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 July 2017 09: 10
    +4
    Oh, what an erotic article, how everyone got excited!
    But nothing that at the official level they erect monuments and hang memory boards for Nazi criminals? At least the same Mannerheim and Krasnov. Boards removed? A generation will soon change and no one will mind. Demolished Soviet monuments here in Russia, renamed the streets. From the contempt of power to our past, such heirs grow.
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 10 July 2017 20: 37
      +1
      Mannerheim is an ambiguous military and political figure, but he was not a Nazi criminal, he was not prosecuted, including by the Nbürburg tribunal. Back in Ryut’s rule, Finland was negotiating with the USSR in search of a way out of the war, and already as president, Mannerheim removed Finland from the war by signing a peace treaty. Stalin himself stood up for him before the Soviet kites of the revolution.
      And who installed the memorial plaque? Public Organization - Russian Military-Historical Society. Yes, it was established by the Ministry of Culture and the Moscow Region, but it is still a public organization with its central and scientific councils. The installation of the plaque was justified, in my opinion - quite rightly.
      http://rvio.histrf.ru/activities/news/item-2910
      RVIO carries out enormous educational activities, but still this did not sound to overcome the social split. Nevertheless, the board is still removed (I do not know anything about Krasnov, I was not interested).
      http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/57ffec5d9a7947836db
      7bbcd
      And now I can understand when they are armed with paint (it is bad to dismantle the monument to heroes, and Mannerheim’s memorial plaque can finally be removed) exalted yellow-and-white Nashi is just a corrupt kodla, but I can’t understand when adult military uncles (as I understand it, here, basically, such a CA, well, except for me) is likened to an exalted yellow-eared Nashi. They are excited at Mannerheim no worse, they give such an example - do not read anything, do not analyze anything, do not own the facts. You will grow such heirs. It doesn’t matter which monuments to vandalize - horseradish is not sweeter.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 10 July 2017 23: 14
        +1
        Quote: Navigator Basov
        Mannerheim is an ambiguous military and political figure, but he was not a Nazi criminal, he was not prosecuted, including by the Nbürburg tribunal.

        And what of that. His troops did not participate in the blockade? And in the city that paid a tremendous blockade price, was this board just needed? So how do adult uncles Ivanov and Medinsky, sovereign people by the way, whom you cover with a fig leaf of a public organization, differ from a zigzag jerk?
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 11 July 2017 06: 34
          0
          A memorial plaque is usually set up with an indication of a specific event in the life of the person being immortalized, and it was written on this plaque: Lieutenant General of the Russian Army Gustav Karlovich Mannerheim, served from 1887 to 1918. Served - a fact. That's all. No one by installing this board even touches on his valor and atrocities. He participated in the blockade, and can be blamed for the death of prisoners of war, but at the same time he delayed the assault on Leningrad three times, which in the end did not take place.
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 11 July 2017 10: 34
            +2
            Quote: Navigator Basov
            Served - a fact.

            Vlasov is a hero of the defense of Moscow. Fact. Maybe he needs a tablet?
            1. Navigator Basov
              Navigator Basov 11 July 2017 17: 52
              0
              With a neutral indication of his ranks and years of service - why not. It's true, but you need to remember everything. Another thing is that Vlasov does not have that White Guard monarchical halo, the rise of which is characteristic of a certain part of the modern intelligentsia, only because of this they broke through the installation of the Mannerheim board. But I will repeat it again: they have already taken it off. Calm down, shake the foam.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 10 July 2017 21: 18
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      From the contempt of power to our past, such heirs grow.

      I would say - from the fear of the authorities of our past. Because they are pygmies against the background of those who built and developed the Red Empire. Hence the de-Stalinization on all channels, and the drapery of the mausoleum on May 9, and the boards, and the flopping on the knees in Katyn, and the recognition of Bandera partners.
      A generation will soon change and no one will mind.

      Unfortunately so. Somehow I displayed a well-known ceremonial photograph of the Marshals of Victory and Stalin in the classroom. Regarding the marshals, the answer is some kind of military. Stalin really learned. To the question "what can you say about him?" The answer is that he shot everyone. There are 14 people in the class, guys 17-18 years old.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 10 July 2017 09: 17
    +6
    These are the consequences of the lack of patriotic education.
    .. To paraphrase B. Pasternak, it must be said that patriotism is not forcible, like potatoes. What is written in the article is not even an eructation of the 90s, it’s our bitter today .. What does today's teenager know about the Soviet past, and practically nothing. it isn’t brought up by the school, the media .. On what, for example, the Soviet generation was brought up on the same children’s films about the war or on the military theme .. There were the same animated films .. Moreover, films and cartoons squeezed a tear .. touched the soul ... Children's books were published for different ages. About the exploits of Russian soldiers, Soviet soldiers, I learned from just such small books and they cost a penny. Now there is none. Now worse: There is an indication from the top to be patriots. And my namesake is right, he read the necessary books in childhood .
  9. Atl
    Atl 10 July 2017 09: 23
    0
    Actress Maria Kozhevnikova, who supported the action #Leshaprav, said this: “It’s scary that we have such mothers ...” It’s not my mother’s business, the mother defended her son. No one wondered how successfully she did this by sending a request for fertile soil. Why is the church silent, because this is a church rite of burial? In the future, such Lesh will be less and less .. Lesha understood that it’s useless to contact the police on this fact, it's not the police.
    1. seal78
      seal78 10 July 2017 17: 42
      +1
      Quote: Atl
      It’s not the mother’s case, the mother defended her son.

      Exactly what is in mom. Didn’t she bring up this ...?
  10. samurai way
    samurai way 10 July 2017 09: 25
    +6
    It is necessary for the children to include “ordinary fascism” and so that they look one on one, and not in a crowd under squeals and jokes. One on one, you and fascism ... you and mountains of corpses
  11. trophy
    trophy 10 July 2017 10: 29
    +3
    A beat determines consciousness. For the ass and about the corner, and so four times in a row. A LESHA RIGHT!
  12. Ganssh
    Ganssh 10 July 2017 15: 46
    +7
    I'm old (and already disabled), well, just superstar ... but there was such a story.
    like walking in St. Petersburg and there was a monument to our defenders. and there our enlightened youth decided to note something of their own. with appropriate hand signals. due to the fact that there were more than 3 people, I aspired and called my son (well, as expected, he decided to help his father with his son, and he came not alone ....). as a result of this call, they left the territory and promised to change their worldview ... Question ..)) Am I wrongly raising my son?
    1. Airman
      Airman 10 July 2017 17: 10
      +3
      I did everything right!
  13. brothers
    brothers 10 July 2017 17: 05
    0
    Who rules Lesha? A question allowing us to take orderly more verified decisions. Especially against the background of this apparently interference-generating burr hump.
  14. Santor
    Santor 10 July 2017 17: 05
    0
    flog ..... for it is too late to admonish
  15. Observer2014
    Observer2014 10 July 2017 17: 06
    +3
    Lesha is right!!!! soldier
    1. Pancir026
      Pancir026 10 July 2017 17: 09
      +6
      Quote: Observer2014
      Lesha is right !!!!

      Lech in Turm.
      And there let him prove his case. Under the shkonkoy.
      But shkolot throw under the clubs, Lech has no right.
      Just like the corrupt Lech has no right to open his mouth at all. Telling that with his “team” it will be better — the country does not need Yeltsin 2.
      1. Skay
        Skay 10 July 2017 18: 06
        +1
        Have you read the article?
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 10 July 2017 18: 42
          +3
          Quote: Skay
          Have you read the article?

          Unlike you, I read. Therefore, I wrote what I wrote.
          And your flash mobs are from stupidity. You won’t achieve anything this way.
          Some kind of stupid maman ... wrote a slander, some kind of stupid stocholnik fired a policeman. What are you talking about?
          What is not clear. I’m going to leave for Turma, to dismiss the bureaucrat, to restore the policeman in the service by paying him bonuses, to punish the maman, the teenager to the colony for minors, as well as all like him, enough to rassesinit .. "they are dead" .. the animals are crazy.
          1. Skay
            Skay 10 July 2017 20: 39
            +1
            So what Lech in the "Turma"?
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 10 July 2017 20: 52
            +2
            Quote: Pancir026
            Unlike you, I read

            Come on, Shell, screwed up, with whom it does not happen. Not the first and not the last in the VO. I went to the headline and let's brand the leader. I'll put a plus sign. For the reflex.
            1. CorvusCoraks
              CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 48
              0
              Quote: Karabin
              Come on, Shell, screwed up, with whom it does not happen.

              as always.
  16. Airman
    Airman 10 July 2017 17: 08
    +1
    Plan Alena Dulles (name and surname of this nit, I write with a capital letter, in principle), in action. :(
  17. Leonid Zakharov
    Leonid Zakharov 10 July 2017 17: 16
    +2
    To fine or condition the mother of that n ... the teenager cannot be rolled to the maximum for the propaganda of Nazism?
  18. Zheka Zheka_2
    Zheka Zheka_2 10 July 2017 17: 19
    +2
    Lesha is right !!! Mothers geeks spawn !!!! Creatures must be cut in public in the square !!! I love not to touch !!! He called geeks geeks rightfully !!!
  19. BITL_DJUS
    BITL_DJUS 10 July 2017 17: 33
    +1
    Lesha is right !!!!
  20. gladcu2
    gladcu2 10 July 2017 17: 35
    +2
    Morality is a set of laws in society, the violation of which does not lead to administrative responsibility, due to the insignificant impact on society.

    Morality is the basis of state laws.

    The state is a device for protecting society and the country from external and internal adversaries.

    Any changes in morality lead to the destruction of laws, and as a result, the destruction of the state and the loss of the sovereignty of the country.

    Forms of creating morality are religion and system education, as well as state ideology. Ideology is a changed morality. Basic morality is biblical.

    As a rule, those who violate morality receive a material advantage, profit. Hence the desire of capitalism for liberalism in laws. This is the source of liberalism.

    Capitalism in its liberal form harms society, and therefore is criminal, criminal.
  21. alexgyc
    alexgyc 10 July 2017 18: 22
    +1
    I am a representative of the generation of the last children of the Soviet Union, that is, my childhood came in the last years of the USSR.
    Then the schools were still engaged in upbringing, including patriotic education, and the general information background was appropriate. In subsequent years, the schools stopped doing this, we are now observing the consequences of this. We all need to urgently fill this gap, otherwise it will be too late when these children begin no one will tell their children and show how it should be in reality.
  22. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 10 July 2017 19: 54
    +3
    We have a law insulting the president, but there is no law punishing insulting the memory of the fallen. State Duma, ay ....
  23. igor1
    igor1 10 July 2017 20: 25
    0
    It is necessary to fundamentally change the educational system in historical terms, because it was not immediately in their head that they neglected our past. And you need to start with the quartering on Red Square of the most terrible traitor of the Soviet Union and the entire Russian state.
  24. 97110
    97110 10 July 2017 21: 18
    +1
    All this contributes to the fact that for the younger generation (at least for its individual representatives) there is nothing sacred.
    An example of a more effective threat. Oh not ordinary
    entrusting Putin V.V. I accidentally found out from Yu-Tub where there is an American who works for the Russian Federation better than ALL STATE MEANS OF THE MI OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. Our media, like a forty-frozen poop, hammer the exploits of the Gelendovods, not forgetting to remind about the terrible punishment that fell on the young and, of course, the innocent heads of the Shamsuarovs and others like them. 15 days !!! Awful !! Totalitarian !! Freedom to “on children” !!! My generation believed that administrative arrest is a shameful punishment for all homeless people and scourges! Through the efforts of feather sharks and jackals of rotary machines, this became decent! There are examples of 1917 and 1945. Why?? We will not resist ??? Will they come and buy power in Russia for the Shamsuarovs and Baghdasaryans?
  25. ibirus
    ibirus 10 July 2017 21: 26
    +2
    To remedy this unhealthy situation, it is imperative to introduce a fine (the amount of which will vary depending on the family’s income), compulsory community service (without exception, such as he or she is sick) and listening to a course on the affairs of those whose monument they desecrated. I would add 50 more blows from myself, but this is unlikely. am
  26. Denis Ytsua
    Denis Ytsua 10 July 2017 22: 02
    +1
    piz .... there are such patriots ...
  27. IgorS
    IgorS 11 July 2017 10: 41
    +1
    Alex is wrong!
    Only a liberal could figure out that selling the homeland was a worthy occupation.
    Alex is NOT RIGHT! So 86% of Russians think. They are ready to vote again for Putin and against liberal lies! And I'm ready ...
    1. elenagromova
      11 July 2017 11: 59
      0
      Sorry, did you read the article?
    2. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 51
      0
      A article to read?
  28. Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 11 July 2017 11: 06
    0
    cock the little boy to break off and let the freak complain with his parents
  29. den-protector
    den-protector 11 July 2017 11: 08
    0
    Lesha Ovalny and those against whom he is “fighting” are actors of the same theater of political absurdity, playing different roles, but successfully disorienting the population of Russia. People hardly understand the stream of half-truths and misinformation, so they reason like this - even better oligarchic power with the illusion of stability and order than Lesha Oval. As for the real patriotic upbringing in the country, in our country it is essentially realized only by individual enthusiastic ascetics. Our bourgeois state needs a qualified consumer, and not a man-creator, who, at the direction of, loves his homeland. On a cult of profit and amusement brought up the generation of Pepsi. I’m not saying that all youth are bad, they are different, just nobody in the system deals with them. From here and selfies on the monuments.
    1. elenagromova
      11 July 2017 11: 58
      0
      And what have Lesha Oval? Do we have Lesha all over the country?
      1. den-protector
        den-protector 11 July 2017 14: 51
        0
        Unfortunately, Lesha is not alone. We have the main "Lesha" sitting in power, and Lesha himself is the product of this very power.
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 11 July 2017 18: 15
    +1
    These tricks are the result of debilitation and the flagrant social stratification of the country. Although - what bundle? Upstairs, dirty foam floats and just shit, which, unfortunately, affects the fragile minds of young people.
  31. Sasha sidorenko
    Sasha sidorenko 11 July 2017 18: 44
    +1
    Micro-fascist came from the liberal shit-democrat. Reminds 30s of the last century.
  32. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 12 July 2017 19: 11
    0
    Why are young people so flippant with the history of their own country? To their peers who accomplished feats in 1941-1945?

    Or in vain the cannons were canceled? Sometimes if you can’t reach it in words, you won’t get it in any other way.
  33. Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 12 July 2017 20: 07
    +1
    I don’t feel special love for the cops. But here- "Lesha is right!" one hundred percent!
  34. Tired
    Tired 12 July 2017 21: 10
    +2
    The reasons are not only in someone's stupidity or enthusiasm for the work of the Nazis. The problem has serious social and economic roots. Respect for the feat of Soviet soldiers is shaken at once in several directions.
    This is the difference in the security of the bulk of the population of Russia and Germany. It would have been enlightening that Germany waged a colonial war against the USSR, that if they had won, there would have been no Bavarian beer, but there would have been the extermination and ousting of the bulk of the Union’s population to the Urals and bringing the remaining to extreme cultural inferiority and subordination to the German colonialists. The result of victory is the very opportunity to live for future generations.
    This is a compromise of Victory Day and the attributes of victory. All these thieving officials and oligarchs calling for patriotism and tightening their belts as in the besieged Leningrad, fake veterans hung with badges for taking a kindergarten and defending a potato field, all these young and too old cheering patriots using St. George’s ribbons except perhaps as handkerchiefs and . All this is very harmful to the image of victory in the consciousness of the masses.
    This is a deliberate policy of the government to discredit the Soviet period in the history of Russia with the simultaneous whitening and exaltation of opponents of the Soviet regime of all stripes. If the authorities themselves say that the Bolsheviks are traitors and demonic bandits, that Stalin is a tyrant and a bloody executioner, that the Soviet period in the life of the country is what you need to forget as soon as possible in order to return to the balls, junkers and the crunch of French rolls, what to expect from ordinary citizens ?
  35. gm9019
    gm9019 13 July 2017 11: 40
    +1
    Quote: Ken71
    You forgot about school teachers.

    Quote: Warlock_r
    What about school teachers? School teachers now have almost zero authority over shkolota. Well, if I do not send them in three letters


    Did you yourself at least a little, even a little bit imagine yourself in their place? I’ve worked for 45 years at school and I’ll say for sure: now it’s horror, lawlessness, stupid textbooks, planning for each class (!) 17-20 sheets (type in the search engine “work program for ***” for interest), and also an immeasurable greyhound of parents who want everything at once. As an example: in early August, a friend phoned my friend, who was resting in Sochi: “And when do we have a physical examination?” The school is open, all announcements are hanging, but it’s necessary to go and watch ... it’s much easier to call the class teacher on vacation and ask. By the way, they call late at night, and on weekends, and at any time. But God forbid to send it to a known address - immediately a complaint! Right away! - the computer is nearby, once and done! All. You can safely put an end to your production biography.
    It’s scary to work now.

  36. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 July 2017 17: 39
    +2
    And what could we expect from the vandals who destroy the monuments to the fallen soldiers who defended their homeland and liberated
    European countries, if in our country the Soviet system is called criminal. Like in the countries that were ours
    Allies or republics argue, saying that if in Russia they recognize the Soviet system as criminal, then this is a big appeal
    to break everything that is connected with the USSR, and at the same time to create all sorts of fables about the times of the Great Patriotic War.