The promising Russian marine helicopter "Lamprey" want to make a transformer

According to the press service of the Russian Helicopters holding company (part of Rostec), the perspective Russian naval helicopter Minoga, being developed to replace the Ka-52 Katran, is planned to be made universal and quickly transformed for various tasks.

According to the expert, the Ka-52K is not quite that. Initially, the car was not created as a deck, it was later adapted for these purposes, so it has a number of limitations that are not inherent in the same Ka-27. These points will undoubtedly be taken into account in the design and construction of a new promising marine helicopter aviation "Lamprey".

Sooner or later, the replacement of the Ka-27 is necessary, and this replacement will just be the Lamprey helicopter. His task is to combine all the functions that were implemented on the Ka-27. At one time, the Ka-27 was asked in three applications (anti-submarine, search and rescue, and transport-combat), but now there are a sufficient number of other options. The concept is such that "Lampa" becomes a universal machine, quickly transformed into various applications

- Said in the press service, transmits TASS.

The new machine "Kamov" received the code "Lamprey"

The holding noted that its weight and dimensions parameters will remain approximately the same as those of Ka-27. "Preliminary studies have been made, we started designing," they added to the company.

We remind you that last year Alexander Shcherbinin, deputy general director of the Russian Helicopters holding company for marketing and business development, said in an interview that the technical appearance of the Lamprey has already been determined. At the same time, Sergey Mikheev, the general designer of the joint-stock company Kamov, suggested that the mass production of the new deck helicopter would begin in about ten years.

A promising machine created under the code "Minoga" will have a coaxial scheme traditional for Kamov Design Bureau, there is no other option, I believe that the future is coaxial with the scheme, due to the peculiarities of its aerodynamics.

- added Mikheev

Comments

[Alexander_2]

God ..... what an ugliness on the layout .......

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Aleksandr_2

what an ugliness on the layout .......

“Everyone has their own taste,” said Bobby and licked his cock.

[Fei_Wong]

What ugliness, dear? Such a good, compact helicopter, and almost with a parallelepipedal hull - maximum usable volume while maintaining the minimum dimensions (and the fleet sometimes counts for centimeters). As for me - on the contrary, a very nice "fat man".

[ibirus]

Let it be like at least flying horseradish, if only she did her job perfectly.

[Juborg]

Quote: Aleksandr_2

God ..... what an ugliness on the layout .......

You are wrong, just an engineer designer from the 50s, only out of a coma and with renewed strength set to work. Helicopter from the 50s, not enough chrome.

[DEPARTMENT]

Yes, too! Only tuning, etc.

[afrikanez]

And besides, you have to wait 10 years!

[bouncyhunter]

According to the expert, the Ka-52K is not quite that.

That is, Katran is buried without giving birth? Who in the subject - tell me.

[Captain Pushkin]

Ka-52 - attack helicopter, and "Lamprey" - multi-purpose. These are completely different cars.

[donavi49]

Katran has no carriers.

Almost all ships under construction and are designed for 1 helicopter. Ka-52 will not save man. Ka-52 will not cause any inconvenience to the submarine. Ka-52 cannot land inspection shipments. Ka-52 will not be able to force the intruder to drift non-lethally (and to fire to kill from a cannon is already a fundamentally different level of incident).

Therefore, on ships with an 1 helicopter, a multipurpose or PLO helicopter is almost always used.

Here on helicopter carriers, with 3-4 and more machines. Already for a drummer find a place. But in the Navy there are now exactly 2 ships that meet these requirements (and there is no point in taking a drummer for the second one, because you will have to refuse either the target designator for the GK or the PLO or PSki).

[just exp]

Katran will have only carriers landing helicopter carriers, for they sent him to the fleet so that he would support the landing.

[donavi49]

Only landing helicopter carriers no. And they have not even decided what to do. Not to mention doing it - which can easily turn into 7-10 years of long-term construction.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: donavi49

Katran has no carriers.

Woman Zina from a nearby entrance has no roommate.
The question is: - What does Baba Zina have to do with it?
And where does Katran and its carriers?

[cariperpaint]

why build turntables that have nowhere to put

[donavi49]

And why make a more expensive and complex ship modification and send it to the army aviation?

[8654]

Egypt has Mistral, religion does not allow to earn on the sale of turntables?

[venik]

Quote: bouncyhunter

That is, Katran is buried without giving birth? Who in the subject - tell me.

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Since the information on the Lamprey is de facto "0" (well, or almost "0"), several assumptions can be made:
1) "Katran", as a continuation of the "Alligator" (a purely land vehicle), carries a fair amount of armor, which is justified for the land theater and the tasks of "assault" strikes (when at any moment they can shy from the ground, "stinger", DShK or just from "Kalash"). For a marine percussion machine - this is not an urgent need (well, unless you have to work on land targets). But the excess of armor (built-in by the way) = "minus" in range and time of hovering .....
2) "Lamprey" - it is planned as a "transformer" helicopter (on the principle of Ka-26, 126 and 226, only much more powerful. That is, you do not need to have 4 "turntables" on board (anti-submarine, search and rescue, transport and strike) , and AWACS. It is enough to have 1 pc. and up to replaceable modules !! And this is a huge "+" !!!!!!

[Vadmir]

2) "Lamprey" - it is planned as a "transformer" helicopter (on the principle of Ka-26, 126 and 226, only much more powerful. That is, you do not need to have 4 "turntables" on board (anti-submarine, search and rescue, transport and strike) , and AWACS. It is enough to have 1 pc. and up to replaceable modules !! And this is a huge "+" !!!!!!

There is no doubt that the versatility of a ship's helicopter is necessary.
But there is little space on the ships and removable modules, the size of a half-helicopter is not an option.
In my opinion, much can be solved by the use of suspended blocks for various purposes.
Electronics has now become compact and it’s quite possible to use detachable, suspended reconnaissance kits, AWACS, removable ASGs, detachable cannons and machine guns, rockets and bombs. The hull of the helicopter does not change.

[avt]

Quote: bouncyhunter

That is, Katran is buried without giving birth?

That is, we look and see specifically in the article

Sooner or later, the replacement of the Ka-27 is necessary, and the Lamprey helicopter will become this replacement.

Next, release the mouse in the search engine with the clave, successively hammer Ka-27, Ka-29 and only then-oh-oh then Ka-52K for general development in the knowledge of xy from xy. Then about

Quote: bouncyhunter

"Katran" bury without giving birth?

Ask

Quote: bouncyhunter

Who in the subject - tell me.

Definitely not necessary.

[Basarev]

As I understand it, they plan to make a flying BMP. With the possibility of attaching an anti-submarine or other module ... I believe that flying BMPs have a future. Perhaps even ordinary land vehicles will no longer be needed - I think it would be great to assign all the tasks of troop transfer to helicopters. In the sense, simple BMPs and armored personnel carriers are completely replaced by flying ones.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Basarev

I believe that the flying BMP is the future. Perhaps even ordinary land vehicles will no longer be needed - I think it would be great to assign all the tasks of troop transfer to helicopters. In the sense, simple BMPs and armored personnel carriers are completely replaced by flying ones.

This is the concept of the American airmobile division of the Vietnam War.
Only even among the Americans, this connection was not in place of motorized infantry with tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery, but in addition, for solving a certain range of tasks.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Basarev

As I understand it, they plan to make a flying BMP

no, you misunderstood. They plan a multi-purpose, the main tasks of which will be the same as those of the Ka-27 - transport and PLO

Quote: Basarev

I believe that the flying BMP is the future. Perhaps even ordinary land vehicles will no longer be needed - I think it would be great to assign all the tasks of troop transfer to helicopters. In the sense, simple BMPs and armored personnel carriers are completely replaced by flying ones.

Utopia. even thinking about it is stupid. An aircraft will never completely replace land transport (as the cheapest), unless, of course, the engine drivers invent something very fundamentally new ..

[Funnels]

It's about replacing 27, 29, 31, What does the Katran have to do with it? All in one pile raked.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: bouncyhunter

That is, Katran is buried without giving birth?

and Katran then what side? He is an attack helicopter, Lamprey is a replacement for the Ka-27 (if they don’t lie). They do not overlap in responsibilities and tasks.
See for yourself this flying miracle called Lamprey - which one is a direct support helicopter? PLO and transport carrier

[Mountain shooter]

Well, the Ka-26 was a transformer. And this "Lamprey" is not at all a replacement for the drummer ...

[avt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, the Ka-26 was a transformer. And this "Lamprey" is not at all a replacement for the drummer ...

They want to make a campaign from Ka-29 a modular version, but so that it still functions as a Ka-27 PLO. In principle, it’s possible, but here’s what’s going to turn out in practice - let’s see when the iron is rolled out for testing. And judging by the layout ... Mom’s mink.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: avt

They want to make a campaign from Ka-29 a modular version, but so that it still functions as a Ka-27 PLO

They want to make a campaign for a new helicopter. Modular, in Ka-29 dimensions (the larger one in existing ship hangars will not fit.)

[faiver]

Ka-26 is another weight category ....

[HEATHER]

Kamovs never differed in beauty. With the exception of the 52nd. But the cars are highly reliable. That the 27th, the 32nd. Good luck in the new path to the designers. A coaxial a priori can not be beautiful.what ugliness on mock-ups I agree with this.

[venik]

Quote: VERESK

Kamovs never differed in beauty. With the exception of the 52nd. But the cars are highly reliable. That the 27th, the 32nd. Good luck in the new path to the designers. A coaxial a priori can not be beautiful.what ugliness on mock-ups I agree with this.

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Why are you all clinging together to this plywood mock-up and having a discussion here "Beautiful - not beautiful" (just the same, "they arranged a daisy:" loves, doesn't love "(quote from the movie)!)?
Designers themselves do not know how it will look !!! And the model EA is simply a “concept car” ..... I somehow very long time ago came across a source in some kind of sketch how the “Black Shark” would look like (they heard something about it then, but no one has seen it yet !), and so there was generally depicted a hybrid of the Ka-29 and the Crocodile (Mi-24) - that was GESTURE !!!!!

[HEATHER]

What are you all to this plywood mock-up[/ b] Amodelka ea - just a "concept carSo they should be an elite. ""Black Shark" (then they heard something about it, but no one has seen it yet!), Try to find. Now everything is on the network. There is no need to tell tales about the Mi-24 and KA-50 hybrid.

[gabonskijfront]

Why isn’t it beautiful? Aesthetes you are worthless. Let's say in the Caucasus "Priora" is considered beautiful, the whole thing is especially the perception of beauty.

[Fei_Wong]

I have already said my opinion above. On the contrary, like a sea helicopter he is a nanny and handsome.
Looks like people here got used to judge turntables following the example of lean military helicopters.
And for that matter, the Mi-24 was also far from an example of elegance. But it looked ominous that many who had encountered against him in battle noted.

[akvanavt98]

The helicopter is interesting, but the name is not special. As you call him, he will fly. At the beginning of that century, in Libau, a submarine of the same name was launched. Drowned, not good somehow.
Call it "seal".

[Roma 1977]

It’s necessary to call a poop. So as not to drown.

[Cat]

Oh well! Drown does not drown, but will it fly? To the bottom with that name for sure, and to the top !!!?

[DiKoff]

And that the seal flies better than the lamprey ??))

[Cat]

I'm talking about "poop"! To be honest, the seal is prettier!

[Voenoboz]

Versatility is not always good, and one is not three or five. All the same, the number plays a role if the weapon is of equal value.

[Banishing liberoids]

No, it's atas! I understand that on this "lamprey" someone wants to marry, but scares away the lack of beauty? Quality and reliability are more important to him! !!

[16112014nk]

What ugliness?
Quite a "Kamov" design. Well, there are no comrades for the taste and color.

[Zaurbek]

But we don’t have a design either ...

[16112014nk]

We have designers both in civilian and military industrial complex. Here are just a hand in their water “effective”. From here we have what we have, unfortunately.

[Old26]

Quote: VERESK

What are you all to this plywood mock-up[/ b] Amodelka ea - just a "concept carSo they should be an elite. ""Black Shark" (then they heard something about it, but no one has seen it yet!), Try to find. Now everything is on the network. There is no need to tell tales about the Mi-24 and KA-50 hybrid.

Comrade, of course, exaggerated a little, talking about a mixture of Ka-50 and Mi-24, but not far from the truth. Prior to the ka-50, there was a project for a fighter helicopter for the fleet. I do not remember the index. Either the ka-34, or the ka-134. But the view was less perfect than that of the ka-50

[HEATHER]

I have a Kamov’s book. I’ll go around in it. But never, the design schools of Mil and Kamov did not intersect in the design. Too different cars. There is a Ka-134 high-speed project. With a pushing screw. The main scheme is coaxial. The speed is up to 300. In series I didn’t go. 70s it wasn’t his time. And, it seems, it was rumored that there was a catastrophe. I don’t say for sure. As they said, there’s a fault in the tail gear. Somewhere on the u-tube there. I did not find it. or the 72th year. Then I only went to first grade.

[JD1979]

Moderators what are you busy with? How is this .... published? Immediately the beginning of the text, in meaning, contradicts everything else and the quoted quotes. I understand that the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer, but such masterpieces of the pen should undergo moderation.

[exo]

It is unlikely that it will turn out with an easy movement of the hands, transform the Lamprey, from an anti-submarine into a transport-combat one. Empty words. Too much to be dismantled.
And yes: the layout is ugly.

[Vadmir]

And here is KA-52, it is a replacement for KA-27 PL, KA-27 PS, KA-29 and possibly KA-31.

[voyaka uh]

"Transformer" - said a lot. I thought which convertiplane they invented, or a helicopter car ...

[Vadmir]

I specifically re-read the source of this information, there is not a word about KA-52K, here is the exact quote:

“Sooner or later, the replacement of the Ka-27 is necessary, and the Lamprey helicopter will become this replacement. Its task is to combine all the functions that were implemented on the Ka-27. At one time, the Ka-27 was set in three applications ( anti-submarine, search and rescue and combat transport), but now there are a sufficient number of other options. The idea is that the Lamprey will become a universal machine that can quickly be transformed into various applications "

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4398270

[bondxnumx]

Quite foolish, maybe after another 30 years? He already needs a manufactured one

[utyutkin]

let's look at this thing from this angle. there is ka 27 it is purely marine and universal. the question is - why redo it? I’m far from naval aviation, but I can assume the following: most likely installing a new engine (more powerful domestic and economical) using composites in the design of the turntable (reducing weight) manufacturing on-board equipment according to the principle of open architecture (non-tune software update) as well as a partial change in dimensions for some kind of weapon (PCR). If all these points are summed together, it will turn out deliciously. and all sorts of transformers is in my ears. Further, what I want to say, since people take up this “development”, it means that everything was developed long ago (in the 70s) and now it's time to calmly drank dough (carrying out R&D on the topic). in principle, everything is good here because it is the same as giving this money to pregnant pensioners. for in fact this is what they are. and about money the same can be especially not loaded because if you don’t have enough, they’ll print it again. so everyone is happy. the main thing is that those who developed this turntable in the 70s were not mistaken anywhere, and those who are trying to realize this today were able to realize everything.

[Old26]

Quote: VERESK

I have a Kamov’s book. I’ll go around in it. But never, the design schools of Mil and Kamov did not intersect in the design. Too different cars. There is a Ka-134 high-speed project. With a pushing screw. The main scheme is coaxial. The speed is up to 300. In series I didn’t go. 70s it wasn’t his time. And, it seems, it was rumored that there was a catastrophe. I don’t say for sure. As they said, there’s a fault in the tail gear. Somewhere on the u-tube there. I did not find it. or the 72th year. Then I only went to first grade.

I, too, cannot guarantee the index unequivocally. This information is an article in the Swiss magazine Interavia, somewhere between 1981 and 1985. Schools, of course, did not intersect, but in that drawing of the Kama fighter helicopter there was something from Milev machines, which of course is difficult to say now. And the schemes were purely Kamovskaya

[Flyer_64]

Rave. Fake stuffing. Five years ago it was already published, the layout and drawing was different. In 10 years, this project will be outdated. If they bring Ka62 then it will not be at its base and there will be a ship's helicopter.
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/MINOGA_151209_02.j
pg is a more recent post.
“The promising Minoga ship helicopter being developed for the Russian Navy will receive a new engine and other systems, Navy Naval Aviation Commander Igor Kozhin told TASS at the Army 2016 forum. According to him, work on the project is going according to plan ", And already this year," a technical project is starting. "" I can’t set a date yet, I think it’s quite long (work), because there’s a rather complicated option. Prospects are being laid. There are a lot of different options, and in the near future (all) we won’t have time to work out. They are connected with the engine. It will be new. Almost everything will be new there, so there is such a delay in time, "said Kozhin.
Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/armia-2016-news-7/ OVT "WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLAND" AVKarpenko "
image for the article is Ka-40 http://paralay.com/hely/4050.jpg

[Vadmir]

If they bring Ka62 then it will not be at its base and there will be a ship's helicopter.

The Ka-62 is made according to the classical scheme, it is larger than the Ka-27, no one will make a helicopter incapable of being based on most ships, and the coaxial scheme has proven itself in marine conditions, not only compact, but also increased resistance to side winds.