Ukroboronprom introduced a mobile mortar complex

According to the Ukrainian portal Ukrainian Military PagesUkroboronprom presented a mobile mortar complex (MMK), designed for fire support units, regardless of weather conditions, day and night on rough terrain.

According to the TTX complex can hit a variety of group and single targets, discovered by intelligence, located on the open ground or in the shelter, mobile and stationary. The mortar complex has high maneuverability, controllability and survivability.

MMK at the XIII International Exhibition "Weapon and security - 2016 ”(Kiev, 11-14 October 2016)

The MMK structure is based on a modular principle that allows the use of mortars of various sizes from 81 mm to 120 mm as part of the complex and install the MMK on a series of wheeled vehicles: civilian pickups 4х4, trucks, tracked and wheeled armored vehicles.

Automated fire control system has the ability to issue data for aiming and shooting in automatic mode. MMK can be easily adapted to the software, navigation systems and battle control systems of the customer.

A special feature of MMK is its extreme mobility. It can be deployed automatically for 30 seconds. At the same time, the time of its collapse after holding a salvo is 20 seconds. MMK is no longer just a mortar, but a whole complex with communications, control, and intelligence, among which the UAV. To all this, ease of control is added during firing, which is carried out by a special tablet. Another feature of the MMK is that the angle of fire has increased significantly horizontally, from 15 degrees to 45, which greatly expanded its firing capabilities.

Comments

[Zibelew]

I recall the legendary mortar "Hammer". The 120-mm regimental mortar of the 1938 model, copied by the Ukrainians in the 21st century, took with him more than one crew in the ATO zone. No less epic is the professionalism of certain units of the Ukrainian army.

[Partyzan]

and the trunk will not take off with the mine?

[210ox]

Will. Together with the car and crew .. Everything higher and higher and higher ...

Quote: Partyzan

and the trunk will not take off with the mine?

[Shurik70]

Get fucked up.
To instruct the first grader to come up with a diagram of the connection of the mortar with the minibus - even he will guess that the barrel must be put inside the car, and in the roof for shooting to make a hatch.
They made a remote manipulator ... Why?

[210ox]

By the way, they did the right thing ... I would also have driven the crane together .. with an arrow I would have forty meters

Quote: Shurik70

Get fucked up.
To instruct the first grader to come up with a diagram of the connection of the mortar with the minibus - even he will guess that the barrel must be put inside the car, and in the roof for shooting to make a hatch.
They made a remote manipulator ... Why?

[nizrum]

He fired and immediately disguised himself as a pit ... APU ...

[qQQQ]

Quote: Shurik70

Ohrenet.To instruct the first grader to come up with a scheme for connecting the mortar with a minibus - even he will guess that the barrel must be put inside the car, and in the roof for shooting to make a hatch. They also made a remote manipulator ... Why?

the first grader will just think of it, and the specialist will say that if you shoot from the car, and even with 120 caliber, then you need to saw through the entire chassis, and the result is something like Nona. What is needed is a mortar on the chassis without any special alterations, by the way, ours, too, did something similar, I don’t know how to finish it or how.

[reservist]

Quote: qqqq

ours, too, did something like that

this case isn’t it? ;)

topwar.ru/112666-kogda-bogi-voyny-ne-spyat.html

[qQQQ]

It’s not “it”, the trick is in the light chassis, a Tiger with a mortar flashed somewhere, but how is it going in the promotion, a question.

[Yegorchik]

You are talking about this complex.

[reservist]

Well, about Tulip ... it was probably not the most successful attempt to joke ...

they write that "The 120-mm mortar complex with the working name MZ-304" Highlander "is being tested"

tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201705300816-7k4e.ht
m

[reservist]

Quote: Shurik70

the trunk must be put inside the car, and in the roof for shooting to make a hatch.

and then it returns the car does not gouge the return?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Shurik70

To instruct the first grader to come up with a diagram of the connection of the mortar with the minibus - even he will guess that the barrel must be put inside the car, and in the roof for shooting to make a hatch.
They made a remote manipulator ... Why?

We read carefully:

The structure of the MMK is based on the modular principle, which allows the use of mortars of various calibers from 81 mm to 120 mm as part of the complex and to install MMK on a series of wheeled vehicles: 4x4 civil pickups, trucks, tracked and wheeled BTRs.

That is, it was required to install a mortar with minimal alterations of the base machines. What is quite reasonable - with the small-scale zoo of equipment that is produced in Ukraine for the APU and purchased for the APU, you need to calculate the system so that it becomes on the largest possible number of chassis types, and so that every time you do not have to pull the equipment.
And in the case of a classic installation inside the case, you would have to: strengthen the suspension under the impact of the mortar, strengthen the floor in the area of ​​the base plate, cut out the roof, shove the electronics, etc. Moreover, on each chassis - according to its design.

[Brylevsky]

To save the destruction of the suspension of an armored car. Recoil when fired will affect the suspension, causing it to overload. And so, the return through the mortar plate will be transmitted to the ground. This is a smart engineering solution.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Zibelew

I recall the legendary mortar "Hammer". A mortar of the sample of 1938, copied by Ukrainians in the 21st century, took with him more than one calculation in the ATO zone.

Yes, God forbid, and this one would take more ukroraschet, not bloodthirsty, just the more calculations ascend to heaven, the more living civilians will remain.

[Partyzan]

they don’t have to ascend to heaven, it’s better to go directly to HELL

[vch]

This is zrada !! Previously, the "hammer" only mowed its own calculation, and now also "a whole complex with communications, control, and intelligence, including UAVs. "[B] [/ b]

[The black]

Driers will now be crippled not only in place, but also in motion

[Lukich]

Quote: vch

Previously, the “hammer” mowed down only its own calculation, and now also the “whole complex with communications, control, and reconnaissance equipment, including UAVs.”

This is a prototype. this one will go into the series

[HEATHER]

Will he again bullet in his rupture of the trunk?

[rotmistr60]

regardless of weather conditions day and night on rough terrain

Immediately the question is - and that a simple mortar could not shoot in various weather conditions, day and night, and even more so on rough terrain (firing then mounted)?

A feature of MMK is its extreme mobility

An ordinary mortar in the back or on a GAZ-66 trailer also had mobility.

[novel66]

for greater cross-country ability, it is better to use horses, or donkeys - soul mates

[Anarchist]

Ukroboronprom, like British scientists. Both of them are engaged in garbage. And they scream proudly about it ...
Not ashamed...

[Normal ok]

It is immediately indicated that MMK was presented at the exhibition in Kiev, 11-14 on October 2016.
This is what news such ?!

[Kerensky]

Mortar - a fairly cheap, simple, but effective weapon. Why cling to each slab according to KShM? What kind of approach? !! First of all, all these pumps, cylinders, hoses will break down ... and at the most inopportune moment. Then the calculation will leave this quackie to survive and that’s all .... Well, what kind of country, which, with such potential, can’t copy the mortar of at least the times of the USSR? !!!
It's like boomerangs to print on a 3D printer!

[Awaz]

you don’t understand))) They came up with weapons for provocations. The fact that they showed a reservation on display does not mean that they will cram this unit into it. It will be much more interesting when this thing will ride in an ambulance. Could immediately under the nurse paint the armored car

[strannik1985]

Quote: Kerensky

Mortar - a fairly cheap, simple, but effective weapon. Why cling to each slab according to KShM? What kind of approach? !!

There is a point, now more and more means are being developed for counter-battery combat, to leave the OP immediately after a short fire attack and dispersal of guns is the only way out. We began work on SAO for SV as early as 1984 (Nona-SVK).
The design is strange, it would be nice to check the coagulation time of the CAO.

[Kerensky]

The issue can be addressed in several directions. Up to the point that leaving the pipe on the OP, pulling the calculation and sight. That is, to work on "disposable" mortars, but for the "Luke" of the Second World War (those in general were "wood"). If more or less equipping an OP, then getting specifically into the mortar itself becomes problematic (well, you don’t have to put a lot of mines nearby, this is understandable).
If we are talking about effective shooting, we will have a minimum time spent on the position. Installation + mine flight time + amendment time + mine flight time + amendment time + ..... The better the calculation and the corrector are prepared, the fewer these cycles will be until the target is destroyed (suppressed). Acoustic intelligence units are also not sleeping on that side, they have their own cycles. And the dispute here is resolved by preparing people for a not super cost system. The more mechanisms, the higher the probability of failure. Failure during coagulation, = loss of the "complex" over the remains of which will be circled by a lone UAV ...

And if you remove the “stick-rope” to drag the trunk into the body and do not hang a “bird” with an operator on each trunk, the novelty disappears, but survivability increases. Something like this...

[strannik1985]

It’s impossible to solve the problem, but the ministry’s battalion doesn’t just shoot, but the b / z performs, for example, artillery escort of the attack, if we take only the sight and we don’t have a mortar bunker, there’s nothing to support the infantry with fire.

You see, the shooting is a force majeure event, when for some reason they couldn’t carry out the full preparation, in reality for a planned or unplanned purpose, a minute fire raid (up to 15 minutes) will be made-after the move-again raid -... and so on. For this, they put a mortar on a self-propelled base, only the easiest way to put a mortar barrel with drives on MTLB or similar equipment (Aybat, Keshet, M1129), and not bother with putting the mortar on the ground.

[Kerensky]

Understand. If you carry out full preparation (all source codes correspond to tabular ones and the master considers), then everything should fly where you need to. In practice, we are faced with the fact that we really want to see where it smells and fix. If we do not hit the speed over the areas, a stupidly alkaline distance of 50 meters.
I proceeded from the fact that mortars are on "their land", that is, they can be left "for a short while."
Unfortunately, I do not know the price of this "complex", but it is imagined that with this money the Urals can fill and move mortars with mortars between the OP calculation and the BC on an ATV with a trailer, temporarily leaving pipes and plates on the old OP. The likelihood that an “adversary is sporting a pipe” lying on the ground is extremely small compared to the likelihood of hitting the “complex” if he doesn’t retract the mortar. Of course, this is the opinion of the amateur and most likely a release system is provided.

[strannik1985]

The shooting takes a lot of time, you can get under fire. You can correct it using a ballistic radar that determines the flight path of your own mines, because you can also calculate it, and the task’s execution time will not suffer.

This is all wonderful, but it will be necessary to turn off the min.bart from the infantry support facilities for a while, but this is not acceptable, what if you need help?

[Kerensky]

Well, nobody has canceled the change of positions by rifts. 120s is enough for the depth of the battalion operation, so that running around between the OPs is to save the calculations.
Here I can’t! I’d like to get all the KShMs, radars and other generators away in the shade, and they rivet them directly to the pipe!

[strannik1985]

But is it worth reducing the number of active trunks from 6 to ... if you can work from a short stop without the risk of losing materiel and l / s?

[Kerensky]

Just today I was admiring a picture of Cornflower on MTLB. Made in Hungary. Damn what year materiel. Can Hungarians give way to Ukrainians "complex"? Just in time for the next exhibition they will have time to paint the “novelty” .... and even break it ....

[Alexey RA]

I hope there will be an unrivaled mortar "hammer" as an weapon? Then he will have a chance to destroy not only his own calculation, but also the carrier chassis.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

The scheme is not original. This is a tulip. I first saw him while still a student at 1976 on Motovilikha. Only the Kiev performance is unsuccessful, to say the least. I suggested something like this in my proposal, “An offer to create an analogue of SVP-24 for barreled artillery using the self-propelled mortar mortar of the 120mm caliber as an example,” but it’s much simpler to produce them in the Donbass. As a carrier, an inexpensive, but highly functional GAZ-34039 was offered. Mortar - 2B11. From these two main components it is quite possible to assemble a mortar on the basis of a car repair enterprise. The only serious issue is the automation of pointing the existing 2B11 mortar. Solvable, and relatively inexpensive (if you do not steal). The very fact of an open (demo!) Assembly of self-propelled mortars in the Donbass would be of great importance.
The idea of ​​automating old artillery towed guns was voiced back in the 2015 year (at the beginning of the Syrian campaign). I did not like the idea. I was not able to convince those to whom I turned. It's a pity.

[Evil 55]

A fabulous woodpecker ... grandfathers, these Ukrainian designers .. Why make the remote system stand out if there are ready-made designs for firing from the armored corps using the moving upper armored horizontal part of the airborne squad .. Don Pedro successfully produces monstrous amateurs for the purpose of mastering and appropriating state hryvnias. .

[Kerensky]

From the armored hull, it’s all tastier to land. Interestingly, but a lot of eighties, for example, the suspension eats? Here I am an amateur. Maybe there are some quick-change inserts so that they are enough to shoot the BC?

[APASUS]

Ukroboronprom can imagine everything you want, but the question is how much of this sample was ordered for the APU? And since there are no orders, it is not yet known who will purchase, since even the APU does not use its product.
The second and perhaps the main question is what finances the APU can acquire these devices, not all will end on a single model for exhibitions

[tacet]

If we recall that the “Spartan” crumbled during sea trials, and the “hammers” exploded during firing and cracked base plates, then it’s scary to imagine what will happen to the mobile version of the mortar during its even trial operation. If the complex will work normally, then its price is interesting (I'm afraid it will be cheaper to buy a Leclerc ...)

[iouris]

Weapons for terrorists.

[Awaz]

I mean the same . Could immediately not shove in an armored car but in an ambulance ...

[LeonidL]

Are they serious or pretend? Is it a shoot or a glance?

[SCHNIFER]

What are the odds of calculating? Is the presence of a fuel tank and BC unlikely to increase them compared to the Hammer? I think the PDO has higher chances?

[Kiril]

It is conveniently-shot and immediately fell over the hill