Hey, "Barguzin", move the shaft, "Well done" to swim nearby. About the new systems put in a word

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"He was sitting at the stern of his new boat. Not as big as before, in his youth. Then every weekend his boat would become the refuge of many guests. Huge, diverse, multilingual international. International comrades with whom he grew up in one yard. Life then It was like this. Nobody knew that, by the decision of our district executive committee, the house would be demolished. Everyone would be given separate apartments in different houses. Friendship with someone would continue. With someone he would just stop meeting. Distances ... And someone, especially offensively , of the very closest friends, will pour on its slop in their new companies.





He recalled his former team. Your fellows. They were almost not visible on the deck, but the neighbors, even the most aggressive, knew that if anything happened ... The team ... They left. Unwillingly. At the behest of those who are forbidden to have a boat on the lake. And for the new boat they became heavy. In the literal sense. And here he is alone.

On the bow of the boat, the eared profile of the Sarmat is visible. For the present a puppy. But the puppy, which, judging by the habits, will be a worthy successor to the work of the old Satan. The one that was a thunderstorm of local dogs for many years. Sarmat two times less old husky. But now he is ready to meet even a bear ... And it takes less space on a boat.

The boat confidently went straight course. In spite of the fact that the Barguzin had long ago fed the air with smells of Dahurian steppes. Glorious wind this barguzin. And most importantly, passing. Eastern wind. Summer gentle in nature, although strong. But in the fall evil and mighty ... Assistant ... "

This is an excerpt from a future story or story, which I may write. What the hell is not joking when God sleeps. And I began an article with a “passage” simply because it’s about the same characters mentioned above. True, somewhat different aspect.

Recently, RIA "News»Published a statement by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, directly related to precisely these" characters ". Rogozin, in particular, spoke about the "Baikal wind" - "Barguzin". About how work is going on to create this system.

Many people remember the Soviet Molodets railway systems that were decommissioned in the 90s due to the strategic offensive arms reduction treaty (START-2). Remember the only rule of the "club of nuclear powers" that has never been broken? Never by anyone? “Well done” (RT-23) owed their appearance to this very rule.

"Never allow an adversary to destroy your nuclear weapon! "The only way to win a nuclear war is simple. With a sudden blow, take down the enemy’s arsenals, its bases and command and control points. Do not give the enemy a chance to strike back!

There are two ways that, although ghostly, but guarantee a retaliatory strike. The easiest way to have at times more nuclear weapons. So that the enemy simply could not destroy everything. But an ICBM is a piece-product. The cost is huge. Yes, and operate such a product is expensive. In addition, to hide the ICBM from the "eyes" of the enemy is quite problematic. The mines in which ICBMs are on duty are in themselves the most complex structures. And already at the construction stage they become the object of close attention of the enemy. So, initially vulnerable.

The second path is also known to all. Moving the ICBMs in stealth mode. So that the enemy could not determine the location of the rocket at this particular moment. The most famous example of the application of such a principle of storage - underwater bomber. But even they are vulnerable because every boat is watched by dozens, and maybe thousands of “eyes.” Watching everywhere and always.

The Americans went a simpler way. They began to simply move the ICBMs from the site to the site by trains (Racetrack). In those moments when we could not see the loading, the missiles were transported to another place. But such transportation is expensive and unsafe. Even just in terms of settings and minor problems that inevitably arise after the "take-down".

The Chinese went the other way. There is no need to wait for no satellites overhead. Missiles are moving ... through tunnels. All launchers are included in a whole network of such tunnels and the enemy does not know in which mine specifically the missile today ...

And only the USSR created a whole fleet of ghost trains. In the development of the American and Chinese ideas. Why additional installation costs after moving? Why the cost of setup and configuration? You just need to use the train as PU. The idea is simple. But to bring it to life is difficult.

At the beginning of the 80-x began the development of such trains. And by 1987, the task was completed. 12 running trains began to move across the expanses of the USSR. Each train had "refrigerated wagons" in the usual version. Three "refrigerator" were actually launchers. Near "car generator". Command post of several cars and tanks with fuel and lubricants. Regular freight train, which set at each station every day.

I want to tell about the rocket, which was used by the "Well done". MBR RT-23UTTH (SS-24 Scalpel). Medium-range solid-fuel ICBM. It started when the engine was turned off by injecting special gases, had three stages, the range 10-11 thousand km. Equipped with a separable warhead with ten individual-guided combat units (MIRV-IN). The power of each unit is 550 kilotons. The length of the 23,4 meter. The width of the 2,41 meter, the weight of the 104,5 ton. Existed in two versions: for stationary and mobile basing. Main developer: Dnipropetrovsk Yuzhnoye design bureau. Total created 92 rocket. 36 installed in the mines in Ukraine and 56 in Russia (missiles of both versions).

Railroad specialists immediately saw the "weak" side of the combat railway missile complex (BZHRK). Heavy So, it is limited on movement on the railways. Limited to those roads that are able to "sustain" such a monster. Yes, and the classic layout of cars did not provide adequate security. Instead of 4 wheelsets on such "refrigerators" stood 8! A "train" had to have as many as three diesel locomotives M-62 ...

Then I will write what was said in the report of the American CIA (Washington Tames from 22.10.2015) about our BRCMs. During operation (from 1987 to 1994) satellite routes and field agents installed train routes (strictly defined sections of the track), places of possible launching of ICBMs (up to 200 pieces for each BRCW), and also places of parking in the interval between combat duties (autonomous operation of the complex 28 days). BRZhK united in three missile divisions (10-I guards. RD (Kostroma region), 52-I RD (Perm region), 36-I RD (Krasnoyarsk region)). In each division there are three rocket regiments (BRZHK is indeed a rocket regiment according to the staffing table).

To argue about what was, but lost irretrievably, stupid. Well done is dead. But the idea is good. And you can not refuse it. Especially when there was an opportunity to really eliminate the shortcomings of the former complex. Rocket "Yars" can significantly reduce the weight of the "car".

But first, about the origins of the return of MFA. In the US, Prompt Global Strike (Fast Global Strike) has been developed for a long time, allowing a massive disarming strike with conventional (non-nuclear) weapons on any country within 1 hours, which means to achieve the effectiveness of a nuclear strike with the help of ICBMs and, possibly, to immediately deny the enemy’s ability make a counterattack. The Russian government did not like the deployment of NATO missile defense system in Europe. Mobile systems are the answer to this program of Americans.

Dmitry Rogozin announced the possibility of adopting the Barguzins by the 2025 year. With an expected lifespan of up to 2050 of the year ... Let's see if these promises are fulfilled?

The Barguzins are equipped with solid-fuel ICBM RS-24 Yars with a range of 11 thousand 500 km capable of carrying up to 4 RCM with a power of 150-250 kilotons. The rocket has 20 meters in length, 2 m in diameter and weighs 49,6 tons, that is, much less than “well done”. This means that trains intended for their transportation do not exert such pressure on the railway track and do not require its strengthening, and also allow up to 6 missiles to be placed in the same train instead of the previous three. Last year in Plesetsk passed throw tests of these missiles. Flight tests are scheduled for 2019 year. About how will run "Yarsy", is not reported.

By the way, the infrastructure that was once created for the Molodtsov has been preserved and needs some repair. So you can use it. "Light rocket", as I wrote above, as well as new security systems significantly increase the "invisibility" of the complex. Now there are almost no restrictions on routes.

The only problem, in terms of stealth, are locomotives. While they are not. So, again, three locomotives as a sign of BRZHK ... Again, according to my information, recently experienced something powerful for the railways. Intelligence OBS, so to speak ... From the series "people say" ...

In general, the Barguzins, according to some of our and Western experts, may already be ready for the 2020-21. It all depends on funding and industry opportunities. So, in terms of Rogozin, even a little bit “tightens”.

But readers are probably waiting for a story about the puppy that sits on the bow of the boat of the hero of my unwritten story. About Sarmat. Will the replacement of Satan really grow out of him?

Dmitry Rogozin said that the Russian industry is ready to begin production of these missiles in the event that ICBMs are included in the state armaments program before 2025. It is Sarmat (PC-28) that should completely replace the old PC-20 and their versions.

I will not bore the reader of TTK rocket. Just because they are classified and the true parameters are known only by a strictly limited circle of people. Weight - 100 tons ("Voevoda" - 210 tons). Range to 16000 km. It is possible to deliver warheads on "unconventional" routes (including through the South Pole!). It will be able to install on the rocket a high-precision hypersonic glider "U-71", capable of breaking through any air defense. According to information from some of our media, tests of the Sarmats are scheduled for the 4 quarter of this year. Now three missiles without warheads are being tested on the stands in Krasnoyarsk ... The Plesetsk cosmodrome is being prepared.

It is much more interesting to read the Western media about this wonderful rocket. A feeling of patriotism and pride in Russia to experience once again. I will present some points of Western military analytics. This is what Malcolm Davis writes.

"The Russian media recently announced that the RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental missile will be able to overcome even the most effective US missile defense systems. But how right are they? Russia claims that this heavy ICBM created as part of the modernization of strategic nuclear forces can destroy territory "the size of Kansas or France". "

"... The United States has effective space-based early warning systems that capture missile launches. The Russians cannot do a sudden strike by destroying American missiles on the ground and decapitating political leadership. In any case, the United States always has a sufficient number of submarines at sea boats with ballistic missiles that can deal a devastating retaliation. "

If someone does not understand, the Americans are in a panic. The nuclear triad is almost crumbling. With the advent of Sarmatian, mine-based rockets are turning into an excellent target. And all hope only on mobile PU. And in the American version it is primarily the submarine. So, the enormous costs of developing analogues to our Barguzin. So, the huge costs of building the required number of submarines of missile carriers ... And for Americans, additional expenses are like a knife in the liver ...

The committee of the famous John McCain has long been talking about the need to change the very concept of "nuclear triad". The need to completely abandon the mines for the ICBM. Even US President Dunald Trump was forced to touch on this topic in his own way. Tweet The US must "substantially strengthen and expand its nuclear potential."

Back to Malcolm Davis. There is another interesting thought.

“... it’s very strange that the Russians are developing heavy ICBMs to overcome almost non-existent missile defense systems. This suggests that they don’t have clear rationales for deploying such weapons. As my colleague Rod Lyon noted, the rocket creates a destabilization dynamic that will force the Russians in a crisis situation to strike first. "

Here is such a puppy growing up today on the boat of the hero of my future story. And grow up. If it is included in the armament program. Soon grow up.

But on the whole we are moving ... Moving fast. Whatever may be said, and our, and not our experts and analysts. And moving to where it should be. And we force to speak with ourselves respectfully. Potential "partners" have not forgotten the feat of the Soviet people in the first period of the Great Patriotic War. When the plants that were exported to the east of the country, began to produce products through 2-3 of the month. At the same time, plants were often exported to the open field. In peacetime, such a move would have lasted 2-3 of the year ...

Sarmat puppy grows up in peacetime. Because not in a hurry to say goodbye to childhood. But ... Maybe you should talk in order not to rush him into becoming an adult? Maybe worth hearing each other?
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  1. KLV
    +10
    10 July 2017 06: 49
    The author is more kind to his future book than to the rest of the written material. In the first case, the text is verified, you can’t find fault! In the second - an abundance of errors. Kopipasta, itit it ...
    1. +11
      10 July 2017 08: 12
      Quote: KLV
      The author is more kind to his future book than to the rest of the written material. In the first case, the text is verified, you can’t find fault! In the second - an abundance of errors. Kopipasta, itit it ...

      Yeah, what is this only worth:
      The Americans went a simpler way. They began to simply move the ICBMs from the site to the site by trains (Racetrack). In those moments when we could not see the loading, the missiles were transported to another place. But such transportation is expensive and unsafe. Even just in terms of settings and minor problems that inevitably arise after the "take-down".

      The Chinese went the other way. There is no need to wait for no satellites overhead. Missiles are moving ... through tunnels. All launchers are included in a whole network of such tunnels and the enemy does not know in which mine specifically the missile today ...
      I would like the respected author to share a source of information regarding the movement of American missiles and how do Chinese soil complexes located in rocky shelters start from silos? what
      Many people remember the Soviet Molodets railway systems, which were withdrawn from service in the 90's due to the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START-2).

      Dear author, BZHRK withdrawn from service much later, in the "zero". Withdrawal from service and cessation of carrying out the database is not the same thing. In general, the publication has a lot of excess pathos and errors. The minus is definitely ... negative
      1. +6
        10 July 2017 10: 01
        Quote: Bongo
        Yeah, what is this only worth:

        Friends, welcome! hi
        Do not scare the author, give me at least a fantasy to read. wassat A good genre, after all, where the main criterion is a flight of fancy and spit on facts and realities. wink
        1. +2
          10 July 2017 11: 16
          Quote: Bongo
          In general, the publication has a lot of excess pathos and errors. Minus definitely.

          And a demon would be with him, with pathos ... For a future writer - at times, even useful. laughing But damn it
          So, again, three locomotives as a sign of DBC ..
          As there Griboedov: "... Judgments draw from forgotten newspapers from the time of Ochakov and the subjugation of the Crimea ..." Yes And this is only a scanty "joint" ....
        2. 0
          10 July 2017 17: 43
          Well? where are the facts? Where are the realities? I have the honor! drinks
        3. +3
          11 July 2017 06: 33
          Quote: NEXUS
          Friends, welcome!

          Hello to you too! Long time no intersect! drinks
          Quote: NEXUS
          Do not scare the author, give me at least a fantasy to read. wassat A good genre, after all, where the main criterion is a flight of fancy and spit on facts and realities.

          So then we must immediately write that this is unscientific fiction, that is, an alternative. I also performed several times in this genre. wink
      2. 0
        11 July 2017 06: 36
        Quote: Bongo
        Dear author, BZHRK withdrawn from service much later, in the "zero".

        In 1994 year ...
        1. +3
          11 July 2017 06: 40
          Quote: domokl
          In 1994 year ...

          You are mistaken, in 1994 they stopped combat patrols.
      3. 0
        16 July 2017 12: 23
        By the way, in addition, there were not three but four regiments in the BZHRK division, and the number of diesel locomotives was determined not by the mass of the train (2460t is quite ordinary weight), but by the need to disperse to the APU at the MBP, and diesel locomotives are not produced in series for the Russian Railways only to modify, insignificantly! And the last train from Kachi left somewhere in 2004.
    2. +2
      10 July 2017 09: 13
      Oil painting. Our "Barguzins" scurry along the Chinese silk road back and forth. soldier
      1. +6
        10 July 2017 17: 48
        Joke on the topic: Where do you work? The conductor on "BARGUZIN"! Is it fast, or what? No, strategic!
    3. +4
      10 July 2017 11: 50
      Quote: KLV
      The author is more kind to his future book than to the rest of the written material. In the first case, the text is verified, you can’t find fault! In the second - an abundance of errors. Kopipasta, itit it ...

      ... but beautiful! Fiction! Again - about the "puppy" ...
      I like to read about dogs: Leonid Sergeyev, for example ... But about BZHRK - it didn’t work ...
  2. +5
    10 July 2017 07: 11
    The Americans took a simpler path. They began to simply transfer ICBMs from site to site by train (Racetrack).

    Would the author be kind enough to explain what kind of movement system and which particular ICBMs he had in mind? Well, if he writes “steel,” then it now exists? I thought before the village that there was no further experiment.
    By the way, the infrastructure that was once created for Molodtsov has been preserved and needs some repair

    She survived in only one division. Partially. Although more now, the MoE, even with the most favorable, will not pull ...
    So, again, three locomotives as a sign of DBC ...

    Perhaps those who served on 15P961 will correct me, but the presence of three locomotives was dictated not least by the need to quickly transfer the regiment to a dispersed battle formation: PKP + APU, APU, APU - for each locomotive.
  3. +17
    10 July 2017 07: 24
    "... Potential" partners "did not forget the feat of the Soviet people in the first period of World War II ..."
    Yes!
    That's just - during the Second World War, the entire Soviet people, along with their leadership - were on one side of the fence, and the current "leadership" of the country, especially its wallets, was already yes-ah-ah-ah-on the other side ... And, as you know, the power-holders love their purses a lot more than their people!
    1. +8
      10 July 2017 08: 46
      Interestingly a lot of people will run to fight for the bourgeois moneybags?
      1. raf
        +1
        12 July 2017 06: 26
        Quote: Yak28
        Interestingly a lot of people will run to fight for the bourgeois moneybags?

        God forbid, the "batch" will begin, everyone will run (well, almost all)! I'll definitely run. and I do not care who will be in power, even the Communists, even the Liberal Democratic Party, at least the devil with horns!
    2. +2
      10 July 2017 20: 56
      Why lie? Three years already, as it is forbidden for people in power, even at the regional level, to have foreign accounts! Or didn’t you hear?
      1. 0
        19 July 2017 01: 00
        They heard (which is forbidden), but for some reason the authorities have foreign accounts and property. So isker is right.
  4. +2
    10 July 2017 07: 42
    here it’s stupid to consider the costs of amers, they will print more + their main paper on earth
    1. +5
      10 July 2017 10: 00
      People will fight for themselves, and not for the master. And with pro-Western "princes" the people will figure it out very quickly in the case of a sheher, hanging them on poles.
      1. +7
        10 July 2017 12: 09
        Quote: RED PARTISAN
        And with pro-Western "princes" the people will figure it out very quickly in the case of a sheher, hanging them on poles.

        It would be nice, but ... NO. See Ukraine. It will be the same. These princes will lead everything. Plus, a fairly large part of society unfortunately has gotten to their side. Look (offhand, flying in) at least the young people dancing, thumping and lighting from the Eternal Flame. And this is massive.
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  5. +7
    10 July 2017 07: 52
    Blooper on a blooper. The conclusions of the author are very far from reality. Even these bloopers have no desire
  6. +4
    10 July 2017 08: 15
    The only problem, from the point of view of invisibility, are locomotives. While they are not. So, again, three locomotives as a sign of DBC ..

    Three locomotives for Molodets were needed for another reason: "Each of the three launchers,
    those who are in the BZHRK can launch
    both as part of a train and autonomously.
    The launcher carriage is built at the Kalinin plant in 1986.
    Length 23,6 m
    Width 3,2 m
    Height 5,0 m
    Weight about 200 t
    Designed based on a four-body eight-axle
    agon
    carrying capacity
    135 tons equipped with hinged roof with
    hydraulic drive.
    Separate missile warhead
    individual guidance with ten combat units with a capacity of 0.43 MT and
    a set of means to overcome the PR "
    http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/booksBG/SS-24
    _Scalpel.pdf
    But there should not be any problems with the diesel locomotive. Kolomensky Zavod produces 2TE-70 freight locomotive
    2TE70

    The modern 2TE70 freight diesel locomotive with two six-axle sections with a capacity of 8160 hp, a design speed of 110 km / h, the first prototype of which was built in 2004. The locomotive is unified according to the main nodes with passenger locomotives TEP70, TEP70BS, TEP70U.
    The locomotive is designed to drive freight trains on 1520 mm gauge main railways on non-electrified sections of Russian railways. Operation in the countries of the CIS and Baltic is possible. Climatic modification - U in accordance with GOST 15150-69.
    The diesel locomotive DM-62 for the Molodets BZHRK differed only in additional equipment, which was removed during the transfer of diesel locomotives to the Ministry of Railways (RZD now). http://www.studfiles.ru/preview/4546212/pageWords/
    Since 1982, the production of diesel locomotives DM62 began in small batches. A diesel generator 62-3DGU14 is installed on diesel locomotives DM2, and full-flow oil fluids are available in the oil system (as on 2M62). Much of what subsequently appeared on the M62U was applied: jawless carts, automatic diesel start, main tanks with a volume of 250 l, increased sand supply from 600 to 700 kg (but the fuel tank remained with a volume of 3900 l), etc. In appearance, the DM62 is easy to distinguish from the usual M62 release 1970-1976 also for standardized ("square") buffer lights (on most machines) and an adjustable track cleaner. But the main thing is that the DM62 significantly differs from other Mashka cars in the execution of the electric circuit, in addition, in connection with the specific purpose of the locomotive, a number of special equipment was installed on it. In particular, the DM62 diesel locomotives were equipped with a system that made it possible to control several locomotives distributed along the train length (from the “diesel locomotive-diesel locomotive” or “diesel locomotive-diesel locomotive” schemes) from a single station
    It is interesting what is difficult here, if it has long been used in Russian Railways.
    1. +1
      10 July 2017 09: 34
      Now 2TE25k and 3TE25k are being mass-produced at Kolomensky Zavod. A freight locomotive is available in two and three sectional designs. The 2TE116 exhaust is quite a suitable locomotive for the BZhRD.
      1. +2
        10 July 2017 11: 52
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Now serial production is underway at the Kolomna plant 2TE25k and 3TE25k.
        You were a little mistaken at the Bryansk plant. "So since the 2000s, BMZ has been developing diesel locomotives of its own design at the production facilities. The first was designed 2TE25A, which received its own name" Vityaz ". Due to the difficulties encountered at that time with the control of asynchronous motors, Work continued on the creation of a diesel locomotive unified with 2TE116. As a result, 2005TE2K under the name "Peresvet" came out from the Bryansk plant in 25. This series was designed as a replacement for 2TE10 and 2TE116 locomotives. " http://prolokomotiv.ru/teplovoz-2te25km.html
        Especially. It is adapted for work on the system of many units and the localization of 90%. Moreover, since the beginning of mass diesel locomotive construction in 1956, these plants have constantly cooperated.
      2. Lem
        0
        10 July 2017 19: 52
        GT1-002. 8300 kW. 15000 tons at a speed of 100 km / h.
  7. +5
    10 July 2017 08: 44
    An open question ... where will all this economy be based? Infrastructure destroyed ...
    And how to maintain the secrecy of movement ... now Russian Railways is a private shop.
    1. 0
      11 December 2017 18: 08
      Can transfer the whole economy to self-propelled barges such as river-sea? Run along the rivers, thank God they are still state ones. They will stand in the winter in any backwater, and on the opening of navigation, they will again be on their way. The carrying capacity of such barges is from 5 to 10 thousand tons.
      1. 0
        11 December 2017 19: 36
        Yes ... a state type river, and shipping companies with ports and overflows are a private shop.
  8. +2
    10 July 2017 08: 48
    It was worth removing the Soviet railway systems altogether in order to return to them again? So you look at the ekranoplanes in about 5 years
  9. +6
    10 July 2017 10: 16
    Quote: Moore
    The Americans took a simpler path. They began to simply transfer ICBMs from site to site by train (Racetrack).

    Would the author be kind enough to explain what kind of movement system and which particular ICBMs he had in mind? Well, if he writes “steel,” then it now exists? I thought before the village that there was no further experiment.
    By the way, the infrastructure that was once created for Molodtsov has been preserved and needs some repair

    She survived in only one division. Partially. Although more now, the MoE, even with the most favorable, will not pull ...
    So, again, three locomotives as a sign of DBC ...

    Perhaps those who served on 15P961 will correct me, but the presence of three locomotives was dictated not least by the need to quickly transfer the regiment to a dispersed battle formation: PKP + APU, APU, APU - for each locomotive.

    You are right about the movements of American ICBMs. This was considered as one of the options for basing their MX missiles. It was not implemented.

    The second one. As for the integrity of the infrastructure of the RPM of one of the divisions, I do not know. Exactly that Perm is in ruins.

    The third. The complex is heavy and therefore three locomotives are the most common mistake. Three locomotives were needed just to carry the launch modules
    1. +4
      10 July 2017 11: 02
      The second one. As for the integrity of the infrastructure of the RPM of one of the divisions, I do not know. Exactly that Perm is in ruins.

      Krasnoyarsk too: http://feelek.livejournal.com/89247.html
      In Kostroma, surprisingly better: http://zhigane.livejournal.com/19494.html
      it seems like there was a semblance of a guard from the RKhBZ school exhibited ...
  10. mvg
    +5
    10 July 2017 11: 07
    In the course of today is a "shock" day for articles. There is simply nothing to read. Sad
  11. +2
    10 July 2017 11: 10
    All is well in the article. But the phrases “Rogozin declared”, “Rogozin considers” are embarrassing.
    1. 0
      11 July 2017 06: 40
      It’s just that Rogozin spoke about this. I would say Shoigu, they would write that he considers Shoigu ..
  12. +3
    10 July 2017 11: 24
    That "gastronomy" .... now "cynology", Lord, some nonsense ...
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  14. +2
    10 July 2017 12: 53
    Quote: Moore
    The second one. As for the integrity of the infrastructure of the RPM of one of the divisions, I do not know. Exactly that Perm is in ruins.

    Krasnoyarsk too: http://feelek.livejournal.com/89247.html
    In Kostroma, surprisingly better: http://zhigane.livejournal.com/19494.html
    it seems like there was a semblance of a guard from the RKhBZ school exhibited ...

    But hardly everything else is available. Housing must have been transferred to local authorities.
    1. 0
      11 July 2017 06: 41
      The question is not in full safety. The question is that sites, sedimentation tanks, etc. do not require full recovery. And the rest, the ruins, as in the entire Soviet army once ...
  15. +2
    10 July 2017 13: 50
    Powerfully! lol
    With Chinese and US systems, I’m burning good laughing
    The author needs to smoke less, then the puppies on the bow of the boat will stop imagining ...
    - Gold words! good


    http://feelek.livejournal.com/89247.html

    It seems to me that this dump in the BZHRK has absolutely nothing to do with it ...
    The Kostroma base is in ruins.
  16. +3
    10 July 2017 14: 28
    Alexander Staver, you first read Wikipedia, or don’t post without editing it. You write - “I would like to tell about the rocket used by Molodets. ICBM RT-23UTTX (SS-24 Scalpel). Medium-range solid-fuel ICBM. It was launched with the engine turned off by blowing special gases, had three stages, the range of 10-11 thousand km. " So the "medium range" or "ICBM" at 10-11 thousand km? For reference https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_rake
    and
  17. +2
    10 July 2017 15: 39
    Quote: raddy13
    Alexander Staver, you first read Wikipedia, or don’t post without editing it. You write - “I would like to tell about the rocket used by Molodets. ICBM RT-23UTTX (SS-24 Scalpel). Medium-range solid-fuel ICBM. It was launched with the engine turned off by blowing special gases, had three stages, the range of 10-11 thousand km. " So the "medium range" or "ICBM" at 10-11 thousand km? For reference https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_rake
    and

    There are also enough other mistakes, for example, for example, length 23,4 meters, width 2,41. Do we have such a term as diameter already does not exist? And that starting with the engine turned off does not occur by blowing gases, but by means of a powder pressure accumulator, is the PAD reduced? Regarding power, one can argue as well. This rocket was equipped with 15G44 rockets, index 15F444 of a slightly different, lower power. Deja simply opening Wikipedia you can read that the length of the yars is 23, not 20 meters. Well, etc.
    1. 0
      14 July 2017 19: 49
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: raddy13
      Alexander Staver, you first read Wikipedia, or don’t post without editing it. You write - “I would like to tell about the rocket used by Molodets. ICBM RT-23UTTX (SS-24 Scalpel). Medium-range solid-fuel ICBM. It was launched with the engine turned off by blowing special gases, had three stages, the range of 10-11 thousand km. " So the "medium range" or "ICBM" at 10-11 thousand km? For reference https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_rake
      and

      There are also enough other mistakes, for example, for example, length 23,4 meters, width 2,41. Do we have such a term as diameter already does not exist? And that starting with the engine turned off does not occur by blowing gases, but by means of a powder pressure accumulator, is the PAD reduced? Regarding power, one can argue as well. This rocket was equipped with 15G44 rockets, index 15F444 of a slightly different, lower power. Deja simply opening Wikipedia you can read that the length of the yars is 23, not 20 meters. Well, etc.

      In BZHRK there will be not Yars, but Yars-M ...
  18. +4
    10 July 2017 16: 25
    By the way, the infrastructure that was once created for Molodtsov has been preserved and needs some repairs. So you can use it.

    It needs some repair - this is putting it mildly. There were skeletons from the buildings, there is practically nothing inside. Even the rails on the sites are removed.
  19. +5
    10 July 2017 17: 17
    You read the comments on published articles over the past couple of years, and you think it's time to rename Military Review to Critical Military Review.
    One nagging, everything is wrong, suckers rule, there are no designers, there is no production, only promises, "everything is lost" and so on. It seems that for the most part, on the site were those who were just born yesterday and don’t remember the state of Russia and its armed forces, just ten years ago!
  20. 0
    10 July 2017 19: 57
    And why use a low-power diesel locomotive? Electric locomotives are more powerful. Young people carried the VL-10 precisely according to their requirements.
    I apologize for being familiar with the topic of e-mail post current. And the rest I agree, both economically and severely.
    1. +1
      11 July 2017 09: 56
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      And why use a low-power diesel locomotive? Electric locomotives are more powerful. Young people carried the VL-10 precisely according to their requirements.

      How do you imagine the same training launch with electric traction? How then to pull out the composition if the ZOKS device breaks the wires (in tests, this rod quite often arranged a break instead of a retraction)?
  21. 0
    10 July 2017 23: 13
    and what is the problem about locomotives ??? Standard 2TE10 (M, U, Mk) than they do not like? just two sections of 3000l.s. Same as 3M62 (3 × 2000hp). So what about traction is not a question.
    1. 0
      11 July 2017 01: 05
      Quote: trahterist
      and what is the problem about locomotives ??? Standard 2TE10 (M, U, Mk) than they do not like?

      The fact that formally produced in Ukraine. 10D100 diesel generators in Kharkov, assembly in Lugansk. M-62 series, except for the Kolomna diesel engine 14D40, too. And EMNIP, the production of 2-stroke diesel engines D23 / 30 is discontinued and replaced by a series of D26 / 26 type D-49. In addition, 2-stroke ICEs are everywhere replaced by 4-stroke ones.
  22. 0
    10 July 2017 23: 29
    Quote: Serge Siberian
    Why use a low-power diesel locomotive? Electric locomotives are more powerful.

    Electric locomotives are more powerful - yes, but what if the launch is confirmed, do it with email. line? The wires will interfere.
    1. +1
      11 July 2017 00: 00
      like on “Molodets” there were special devices for shifting to the sides of the contact network, or am I mistaken?
      1. 0
        11 July 2017 01: 13
        Quote: trahterist
        like on “Molodets” there were special devices for shifting to the sides of the contact network, or am I mistaken?

        You are not mistaken. The description and device can be viewed on the website of Militer https://militaryarms.ru/boepripasy/rakety/bzhrk-m
        olodec-i-barguzin /
    2. +4
      11 July 2017 00: 01
      the electric locomotive has a negative autonomy, in the event of a break in the contact network it is motionless as a corpse.
    3. 0
      11 July 2017 20: 06
      And here diesel locomotives come into operation. Each PU, and as you know 3 of them. They, diesel locomotives, pull the PU apart at different points (for example, ways).
  23. 0
    11 July 2017 06: 42
    Quote: raddy13
    Alexander Staver, you first read Wikipedia, or don’t post without editing it. You write - “I would like to tell about the rocket used by Molodets. ICBM RT-23UTTX (SS-24 Scalpel). Medium-range solid-fuel ICBM. It was launched with the engine turned off by blowing special gases, had three stages, the range of 10-11 thousand km. " So the "medium range" or "ICBM" at 10-11 thousand km? For reference https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_rake
    and

    Do you know how to spell wikipedia? Not?
    1. +3
      11 July 2017 07: 15
      Quote: domokl
      Do you know how to spell wikipedia? Not?

      Wikipedia, unfortunately not the most reliable source of information, although probably the most accessible. In fairness it should be said that Vika is regularly updated and corrected. But unfortunately this article clearly cannot be regarded as a reference material, as many commentators rightly pointed out.
  24. +3
    11 July 2017 07: 40
    Quote: Serge Siberian
    And why use a low-power diesel locomotive? Electric locomotives are more powerful. Young people carried the VL-10 precisely according to their requirements.
    I apologize for being familiar with the topic of e-mail post current. And the rest I agree, both economically and severely.

    These structures have never carried VL-10. Only DM-62
    1. 0
      11 July 2017 19: 55
      Are you familiar with "dedicated local teams for special and scheduled trains?"
      1. 0
        12 July 2017 12: 09
        I will not argue. But it is likely that the locomotive brigades, not civilian, but railway.
        1. 0
          12 July 2017 20: 18
          It’s civilian brigades. No railways brigades know the section profile, so no one will allow them to drive the train on their own. Civilians have permissions, including to drive such trains.
          1. 0
            13 July 2017 10: 09
            Well, okay. For this, there is a run-in of the site, then passing the exam, and forward. The attendant. Listen to the attendant. Skip the military officer. Etc. The attendant. The person on duty listens. You mu ... ac. Who speaks. Everyone speaks.)))
          2. 0
            13 July 2017 10: 15
            He served in an emergency company in a separate company of operation, although it was during the USSR, so he was in the know about these business. MTS allocated windows for military echelons. Brigades 100% military 8 sticks and forward.
            1. 0
              16 July 2017 18: 46
              He became the driver of the 2nd class e-wagon at 94m. And in December 87, after the DMB, he returned to his native depot tch-4 zap.sib railway. Novosibirsk, the main one. to work as an assistant driver e-cart secured with the driver just
              Allocated for such trains. To calculate how many brigades it is necessary to break in from the railway for the entire length of the railway of the USSR, they didn’t try to do this much easier. It’s easier to use local brigades. Moreover, these trains did not go on the same section of the same section every day same train
              1. 0
                21 July 2017 20: 12
                We had half of the company in one section running in. The guys came from the training, already the engine drivers, that’s lucky.
          3. 0
            25 August 2018 15: 02
            Civilians never drove these trains. Although, railway workers from civil institutes were recruited. Somehow there they signed a contract with the military, and at the end of a civilian university they became lieutenants of the railway troops. They were familiar with the patrol routes; no civilians were allowed on board the BZHDK.
          4. 0
            26 August 2018 15: 28
            Civilians never drove them (did not drive).
            In 1987, I was deputy commander of the 10th communications regiment, in Bersheti, near Perm. It was the second train regiment, the first 8 regiments there were OS.
            Threat. It's cool, as soon as I wrote it yesterday, the moderator erased all my messages, and deleted it from this forum, like I should shut up ...
  25. +3
    11 July 2017 07: 41
    Quote: Serge Siberian
    And why use a low-power diesel locomotive? Electric locomotives are more powerful. Young people carried the VL-10 precisely according to their requirements.
    I apologize for being familiar with the topic of e-mail post current. And the rest I agree, both economically and severely.

    Never did these trains carry VL-10. Only DM-62
  26. +2
    11 July 2017 07: 47
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: raddy13
    Alexander Staver, you first read Wikipedia, or don’t post without editing it. You write - “I would like to tell about the rocket used by Molodets. ICBM RT-23UTTX (SS-24 Scalpel). Medium-range solid-fuel ICBM. It was launched with the engine turned off by blowing special gases, had three stages, the range of 10-11 thousand km. " So the "medium range" or "ICBM" at 10-11 thousand km? For reference https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_rake
    and

    Do you know how to spell wikipedia? Not?

    It’s not even about how Wiki is spelled. The author wrote - an intercontinental medium-range missile. To which I received an answer with a proposal to see at least Wikipedia, well, stupidity in the description of the launch
  27. KCA
    0
    11 July 2017 09: 15
    In Soviet times, I had two comrades who served in the railway, one accompanied by military cargo, here I believe more than once, my parents visited him more than once, and the other, as he said, rode on some meteorological train, well I don’t know how to meteorologists across the whole country ride, I don’t know, or how, I don’t inject, but since ordinary warriors are silent, maybe trains are traveling around the vastness of Russia, announcing a withdrawal does not mean taking off, promising does not mean getting married
    1. +2
      11 July 2017 12: 17
      Quote: KCA
      but another, as he said, rode on some meteorological by train, well, meteorologists across the whole country ride, I don’t know whether I’m on the BZHRK or whatever,

      With a 99% probability, your friend was riding in the CLEIT car - quite simply, measuring metrological laboratories. In the Strategic Missile Forces, these are parts of the army subordination that have been renamed many times in the Central Bank of the Kyrgyz Republic, and then somehow ...
      One thing I can say: he had a service - Laf.
      1. KCA
        0
        11 July 2017 12: 51
        Wow, I didn’t complain at all :-)
  28. +2
    11 July 2017 10: 22
    Quote: KCA
    In Soviet times, I had two comrades who served in the railway, one accompanied by military cargo, here I believe more than once, my parents visited him more than once, and the other, as he said, rode on some meteorological train, well I don’t know how to meteorologists across the whole country ride, I don’t know, or how, I don’t inject, but since ordinary warriors are silent, maybe trains are traveling around the vastness of Russia, announcing a withdrawal does not mean taking off, promising does not mean getting married

    It is unlikely that he "rode" on the BZHRK, because they didn’t ride across the country. Each had its own "habitat."
    As for your idea of ​​“announcing a withdrawal does not mean withdrawing” - this cannot be. The liquidation took place under the control of the "partners". In addition, missiles have long expired.
    1. KCA
      0
      11 July 2017 12: 52
      Are they really much older than those armed with the Voivode or Sineva?
  29. +1
    11 July 2017 15: 18
    Quote: KCA
    Are they really much older than those armed with the Voivode or Sineva?

    No. Not much, but there are at least two but:
    1. The service life of solid-fuel missiles is alas less than liquid. Unfortunately, we do not have the technology to do what the Americans do with the Minutemans.
    2. The rocket is still Ukrainian, and there was no guarantee that they would cooperate with us in extending the service life.

    Now we are almost closely faced with the same situation on the "Governor". Ukraine will not do another extension. And participation in the process of extending the life of a missile design bureau, but still not of the one who designed and created this product, is a temporary measure and far from the best.
  30. +2
    12 July 2017 09: 15
    Quote: Serge Siberian
    Are you familiar with "dedicated local teams for special and scheduled trains?"

    No. My friend just served them. Therefore, I believe him that in addition to the diesel locomotives DM-62, these trains did not carry anything else.
  31. +2
    12 July 2017 14: 55
    The KPD of the Kostroma Missile Division ordered them to live long in 2004 (at that time it was officially reduced), they dug and saw underground PU in front of their eyes. And the housing stock has been thoroughly repaired and the RKhBZ Academy, 331 ПДП and 1065 ПП 98 ВДД are located on its base. The same with the platforms for maintenance. And the remaining equipment, stocks, as well as l / s, which did not go to the "demobilization", etc. transferred to the Tyubiteikovskaya (Teykovskaya) division. Something like this.
  32. 0
    18 March 2018 21: 50
    I decided to electronicize my "DEMBELSKY ALBUM". I served in the Strategic Missile Forces in a company of wagon guides. and here I can’t find a good photo with a deflated ramp for the title page. Maybe someone has such a photo or a link to the like.