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The Navy has problems with the crew of the minesweeper "Alexander Obukhov"

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The crew of the anti-mine ship of the base zone "Alexander Obukhov" is dissatisfied with the UAV boat of the French company ECA Group, it is criticized for the manufacturer’s shortcomings. About this Central Naval Portal сообщил source familiar with the situation.

According to the crew members, "the boat is still damp and cannot perform all the required functions." The source added that this is partly why he did not come with the ship to the waters of the International Navy Salon.

The Navy has problems with the crew of the minesweeper "Alexander Obukhov"


The commander of the ship, Captain III Rank, Sergey Tikhonov, refused to specify the details of the FlotProm correspondent, but added that during the International Maritime Defense Show, "the boat was at the base, carrying out tasks to protect it." The source of the FlotProm in the Baltic Fleet added that 20 June 2017, the Inspector, from Obukhov for the first time went independently to the Baltic Sea.

28 June, during the IMDS-2017, ECA Group Commercial Director Dominic Mallet told FlotProm that in the next two years the company will organize the Russian production of Inspector Mk2 Russian crewless boats and Seascan Mk2 underwater defense vehicles.

According to Malle, originally the ECA Group planned to supply the Russian Navy with four crewless boats (BEC) and an underwater vehicle for Alexandre-type minesweepers. However, the parties later agreed to supply only three boats. The Russian side has already received two “Inspectors”, another one will be delivered by the end of 2017. The contract value is about 10 million euros.

And although our products did not fall under sanctions, the Russian side refused the fourth boat, deciding to produce them independently.
- said Malle, -
In the next two years, we intend to organize the production of the Inspector boats and underwater anti-mine devices for them in Russia


Since 1936, ECA Group has been developing in the field of robotics, automated systems, modeling and industrial processes. BEC of the company's development is used on the 12700 "Alexander Obukhov" mine defense lead ship.

The base minesweeper of the 12700 project (cipher "Alexandrite") "Alexander Obukhov" was designed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau for the needs of the Russian Navy. Mine defense ships of this type are designed to search and destroy mines in the waters of naval bases. It is assumed that the minesweepers of this project will be the basis of the updated naval mine-defense forces of the Russian Navy.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 4 July 2017 18: 23
    +7
    The crew of the mine base ship of the base zone "Alexander Obukhov" is dissatisfied with the UAV of the French company ECA Group, he is criticized for the manufacturer’s shortcomings. This was reported to the Central Naval Portal by a source familiar with the situation.


    Why buy? must be asked from those who made the decision.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 July 2017 18: 29
      +14
      Quote: cniza
      Why buy?

      for experience ... learn the "shoals" and do better (hopefully)
      1. cniza
        cniza 4 July 2017 18: 32
        +2
        God grant, if so.
      2. Shurik70
        Shurik70 4 July 2017 18: 33
        +13
        WHAT FOR THE FUCK?
        Do we need Mistrals alone from the paddling pools?
        What a bastard made a military contract with France? !!!
        In court, damn it, a foreign agent!
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 4 July 2017 18: 39
          +6
          Wait, Lavrentiy, don't get excited smile
        2. Bourbon
          Bourbon 4 July 2017 20: 59
          +3
          Quote: Shurik70
          Do we need Mistrals alone from the paddling pools?

          fool and think about it?
          Quote: Shurik70
          What a bastard made a military contract with France? !!!

          without Putin, such contracts are not concluded - at least Medvedev or Shoigu ..... but in fact all together! - wipe the snot

          Quote: Shurik70
          In court, damn it, a foreign agent!

          so give your address and do not show off .... can all be clever and answer for the words?
        3. ava09
          ava09 4 July 2017 21: 05
          +1
          Quote: Shurik70
          WHAT FOR THE FUCK?
          Do we need Mistrals alone from the paddling pools?
          What a bastard made a military contract with France? !!!
          In court, damn it, a foreign agent!

          Answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZAiFrGSIsQ
          1. Genry
            Genry 4 July 2017 23: 17
            +3
            Next time, make an insert through the Yu-Tube icon (the penultimate in the comment menu).
            And the mess in the Constitution, which was created by American advisers under Yeltsin, just rolls over. Everything is done to ruin Russia.

            And Fedorov here mentioned that they would bomb (2013), so this is already happening through sanctions.
      3. Alex 2016
        Alex 2016 4 July 2017 19: 05
        0
        Well, if so, but ours are not Chinese, so I didn’t really count on that.
      4. poquello
        poquello 4 July 2017 19: 40
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: cniza
        Why buy?

        for experience ... learn the "shoals" and do better (hopefully)

        they’ll do it, the question is rather “how much better?”, from the age of 36 tea of ​​eyes is completely washed away, and our people are developing welding robots on the knee, what will happen if he (the people) also gives money
    2. LeonidL
      LeonidL 5 July 2017 03: 49
      +2
      Probably they bought Serdyukov and Vasilyeva?
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 5 July 2017 04: 20
        0
        If the Chinese had shot everyone who signed a contract for 4 or more, but bought only three and then began to produce their own clones, then there would be fewer Chinese “lemons”!
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 5 July 2017 10: 24
          +5
          Quote: VadimSt
          then the Chinese would have been a few "lemons" less!

          They wouldn’t even notice winked
    3. srelock
      srelock 5 July 2017 08: 10
      0
      The source added that this was partly why he did not come with the ship to the waters of the International Naval Salon.
      They all are. The boat was at the exhibition. Exhibited on the shore.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 5 July 2017 12: 33
      0
      Was there a choice? belay We had nothing of the kind then, and we needed new minesweepers the day before yesterday. request It is necessary in the region of 40-50 pieces. Development of appropriate technologies - years. And while they are gone, why not build anything? request
  2. 210ox
    210ox 4 July 2017 18: 23
    +1
    What can I say .. Your needs to be done. And better!
  3. Mwg
    Mwg 4 July 2017 18: 24
    +3
    According to crew members, "the boat is still damp and can not perform all the required functions." - do not keep in water, will not damp)))
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 July 2017 18: 48
      +6
      Quote: MVG
      According to crew members, "the boat is still damp and can not perform all the required functions." - do not keep in water, will not damp)))

      Duc ... that's the problem that this boat does not fit on the deck. These are such bizarre convolutions of technical and military thought - there is no room on deck for a key component of its own weapons complex.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 4 July 2017 19: 07
        +5
        There are mutual problems. The traletz was not immediately designed with this boat in mind. On the other hand, this boat from the base application has doubled in serial production.

        Well, and most importantly, the construction method of the stigma played a malicious role. If he was typed in classics, then the head would have problems, and even if the final specification came when the case was formed.

        Immediately, the ailment cannot be eliminated, because two matrices on Nevsky have already been created. And they are the most expensive. Moreover, the following stilts are already cast and they cannot insert a section.

        So the jamb came out - the main know-how of Alexandrite, can only act autonomously without the possibility of reception on the carrier.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 4 July 2017 19: 24
          +2
          Quote: donavi49
          So the jamb came out - the main know-how of Alexandrite, can only act autonomously without the possibility of reception on the carrier.

          This is no longer a jamb. This is it:

          If from the very beginning it was clear that the dimensions of the hull of the switchgear could not be changed - what then, when ordering the boat, the dimensions were not given as the main parameters? Like, do what you want, but fit into the hull of the boat with such a length, width and height.
          And it turned out that they bought a hydromassage pool in the bathroom of Khrushchev. smile
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 4 July 2017 20: 01
            +6
            This is not a scribe, but criminal negligence bordering on sabotage.
            Time passes, but people remain the same ... they are also surprised at how much they were arrested by such “packs” at one time and sent “to clean the snow”.
        2. poquello
          poquello 4 July 2017 19: 50
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          On the other hand, this boat from the base application has doubled in serial production.

          excuse me, choked, but sold mean hamster?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 4 July 2017 20: 38
            +2
            5 meters and 3 tons in the project and 9 meters and almost 5 tons in real life.
            1. poquello
              poquello 4 July 2017 21: 11
              0
              Quote: donavi49
              5 meters and 3 tons in the project and 9 meters and almost 5 tons in real life.

              so this Malla needs to be given a file in his teeth, and until he finishes any
              production of Inspector boats and underwater mine action vehicles for them in Russia

              but it turns out - they give us a five-ton canoe, and from us innovative solutions
              1. Simple
                Simple 4 July 2017 21: 38
                0
                ---






                To the evil the Russians did "a little more."

                Forgive me, even the original version in 5 is long and three tons in weight - this fool with all her personal belongings would occupy the entire platform aft. What would be left of the minesweeper?
        3. midivan
          midivan 4 July 2017 20: 05
          +2
          Quote: donavi49
          Immediately, the ailment cannot be eliminated, because two matrices on Nevsky have already been created. And they are the most expensive. Moreover, the following stilts are already cast and they cannot insert a section.

          belay And where did the Russian savvy go? That it is impossible to fasten partly or completely to it at the stern, the weight, well, certainly not more than a ton in appearance, well, even two? Some crap.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 4 July 2017 20: 38
            +1
            Around 5 tons with equipment.
            1. midivan
              midivan 4 July 2017 22: 47
              +2
              Quote: donavi49
              Around 5 tons with equipment.

              what Damn, but seemingly small.
        4. LeonidL
          LeonidL 5 July 2017 03: 51
          +2
          You need to build your own and not hope for an overseas uncle. Ahead is still maintenance, parts and so on ...
      2. poquello
        poquello 4 July 2017 19: 47
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: MVG
        According to crew members, "the boat is still damp and can not perform all the required functions." - do not keep in water, will not damp)))

        Duc ... that's the problem that this boat does not fit on the deck. These are such bizarre convolutions of technical and military thought - there is no room on deck for a key component of its own weapons complex.


        what a multifunctional picture
  4. faiver
    faiver 4 July 2017 18: 25
    +1
    they didn’t send him a case for beer? laughing
  5. kefan
    kefan 4 July 2017 18: 30
    0
    With this French company you need to recover the penalty.
  6. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 4 July 2017 18: 45
    +6
    Yeah ... and then it turns out that only 1 person studied the equipment on the ship - and he went on vacation. And the officer replacing him did not read the documentation - he and in his department of affairs above the roof. And to report this ... well, why should the commander receive a hat - it is better to dump everything on equipment.
    There was already a similar picture - in Kamchatka with the “Venom”.
    According to the plan of the operation, agreed at all levels, Venom was supposed to work at the antenna station. Nobody planned to lower the “prize” under water. Unless in the backup version. True, as the head of the expedition knew before going out to sea, all the regular Venoma operators who went through a special training course were on vacation. However, no one paid due attention to this fact at the stage of preparation for the operation. They put on board a poorly trained specialist - and forward, towards the exploits ...
    “Nobody prevented the Pacific from contacting the management and reporting the absence of full-time operators,” says Rear Admiral Vasily Vorobyev, head of the Navy's Search and Rescue Operations Department. - Without any special problems, we could send specialists from the 328th rescue squad to them. We have trained operators in the 40th State Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Ultimately, there are pros in the "industry." Any of them could insure their Pacific colleagues. But the local bosses, so to speak, “hesitated” to disturb us and relied on their own strength. As a result, at an early stage of the deep-sea operation, the Venom was killed ...
    © Red Star
    Instead, the Venom sent an AS-28 - with a known result.
  7. Egorovich
    Egorovich 4 July 2017 19: 10
    +6
    It is necessary, as the Chinese, to take something interesting in a single copy and do their own thing on their territory. And these unmanned boats were probably ordered under Serdyukov.
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 4 July 2017 19: 40
    +4
    The joke is that China is shamelessly stealing technology, and this theft has elevated to the rank of state program, but Russia ...., and Russia is kind of "honest" - it "buys" these technologies - threatening fabulous sums and mostly for "dummies" "that Westerners, like" partners ", carefully palm off on her .... It’s clear that, as Mechnyy said, here the" dog rummaged "very well and most likely in the mutual interest of those who sold and those who bought," at that time like pensioners in Russia "(yes, yes," pensioners ", you can" peck me "for this ... laughing ) .....
  9. Simple
    Simple 4 July 2017 20: 22
    +2
    Maybe the Israeli was worth taking?

    1. aiden
      aiden 4 July 2017 22: 06
      +2
      You cannot contact them. would have been led to the loot, which also should have remained
  10. max51423
    max51423 4 July 2017 20: 56
    0
    I am confused by such automated systems purchased from a potential enemy - and why didn’t it come under sanctions if it is officially listed as the armament of the ship of the Russian Navy. I understand for rescue operations, but for a ship, albeit a minesweeper. In order to be sure of the "loyalty" of this complex, it is necessary to completely disassemble, study it.
  11. behappy
    behappy 4 July 2017 22: 46
    +1
    To make everything normal, you need to buy or design for a specific carrier ship. This BEC should rise and descend from the board of the minesweeper (as planned by the project). But since, due to the considerable size not provided for the project 12700 minesweeper, the BEC Inspector Mk 2 cannot go directly aboard, of course everything will be bad. In addition, no one has ever bought these boats from this company. Russia is the first. Well, that got raw and not intended for 12700. Money down the drain.
    during the International Naval Salon "the boat was at the base, performing tasks to protect it"

    so can he guard the base ??
    The Inspector Mk 2 crewless boat is a mine control system controlled from a carrier ship. In the bow, an active GAS mine search on a retractable mast (mine search depth up to 10 m, including anchor), towed GOW side view TOWSCA (mine search at depths of 10 - 100 m, including objects at the bottom).
    It is also equipped with various remotely controlled underwater vehicles for the search and destruction of mines. Effective range up to 10 km from the carrier ship.
    Question: how can he guard the base? by what means, weapons? And what is the range from the carrier ship? Those. Is he walking with the AI ​​on its own and guarding it?

    In general, there was information that the minesweepers of the 12700 project would be equipped with Russian unmanned boats to develop the Typhoon consortium. Well, where are these products?
    1. Simple
      Simple 5 July 2017 23: 41
      +1
      The feed of a Belgian Navy patrol ship of the CASTOR class, which is designed to receive such small boats:



  12. nesvobodnye
    nesvobodnye 4 July 2017 23: 07
    0
    Strange, haven't the Mistrals taught us anything?
    1. Signore Tomato
      Signore Tomato 5 July 2017 07: 47
      0
      I put a cent against the dollar that these boats were ordered together with the Mistrals - the stool of Serdyuchka and Co.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 5 July 2017 10: 10
        +1
        Make money: smile
        The contract for the purchase of four BEC Inspector Mk 2 and mine control vehicles of the ESA group was concluded, according to known information, by the Russian company Prominvest (part of the Rostec State Corporation) in January 2014.
        © bmpd
  13. ver_
    ver_ 5 July 2017 05: 19
    0
    Quote: cniza
    God grant, if so.

    .. God forbid if not so ..
  14. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 5 July 2017 07: 37
    +2
    And dampness in what boats what sweated in it ??? Failed autonomous patrolling (bots and feluccas roaming around during patrols) ... Software or electronic stuffing quietly brains the operators (inconsistency with the declared characteristics) ... what functionality did he put in terms of its execution. ECA Group since 1936 ... and has been supplying a raw product - vague doubts torment me and the suspicion of the short-handedness of the direct operators falls. wassat
    1. DiKoff
      DiKoff 5 July 2017 09: 55
      +1
      That's for sure ... the materiel is poorly studied)))
  15. 2534M
    2534M 14 July 2017 19: 00
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    We had nothing of the kind then, and we needed new minesweepers the day before yesterday. It is necessary in the region of 40-50 pieces

    1.was
    2. One thing .ovna that comes down from the stern of this crap is more expensive than the practical "Physics"
  16. 2534M
    2534M 14 July 2017 19: 04
    0
    Quote: viktor_ui
    ECA Group since 1936 ... and has been supplying a raw product - vague doubts torment me and suspicion of squinting direct operators falls

    ECA WAS an authoritative developer
    but the fact that she began to drive from the beginning of the 2000s is just nonsense and trash
    the impression is that the engineers dispersed and scored 3,14s
  17. 2534M
    2534M 14 July 2017 19: 06
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    And the officer replacing him did not read the documentation

    I read something from that documentation - full PE
    "either cry - or laugh" :(
    rather - laugh at the paddling pools and ... cry over us :(