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Will the last creation of the genius Bartini save?

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Will the last creation of the genius Bartini save?



This year, we celebrated the good news on our 120 pages from the birth of one of the geniuses of the last century, Robert Bartini, a gifted person and, not least, dedicated his whole life to ensuring that “red planes are stronger than black ones”.

What remained after his death, except for the “Bartini effect” and works on physics and philosophy?

It is very unpleasant to talk about it, but the last plane remains.



It is a pity that Robert Ludvigovich was not awarded any monuments or anything else for his more than 60 projects of aircraft (not all the language turns to be called airplanes) and ideas that he generously shared with his colleagues.

45 years ago, his last creation rose into the air for the first time. Amphibious aircraft BBA-14.



The BBA-14 amphibian was designed to combat enemy missile and multipurpose submarines in the near zone. The use of the aircraft as a search and rescue aircraft was also considered.

The idea of ​​the aircraft appeared as a result of Bartini’s long-term study “Theory of Intercontinental Transport of the Earth”. The first approach to the aircraft was the MBA-62 amphibian project. Although the Bartini projects were supported by the country's leadership, it was not possible to bring BBA-14 to serial construction. After the death of the designer, the work on the aircraft was curtailed and then stopped.

Two amphibians were launched into pilot production, which received the ciphers 1М and 2М. By the summer of 1972, the BBA-14-1М was manufactured. The aircraft was manufactured in cooperation with the Taganrog enterprises of the TANTK. G. M. Beriev and TAAP.



The first flight of VVA-14 was held on 4 in September of 1972. Pilot Yu. M. Kupriyanov and navigator L. F. Kuznetsov tested the plane. The test program was completed in 1975, the aircraft made 107 flights with a total flight of 103 hours.

The museum copy of the BBA-14 aircraft (14М1П) was transported to Monino from Taganrog to 1987. It was transported by water to Lytkarino near Moscow, where it was unloaded on the coast. While awaiting the arrival of the helicopter, it remained unattended and was partially destroyed and dismantled by unknown persons. The damaged aircraft was delivered by helicopter Mi-26 to the museum, where it is now unassembled.

Actually, here is the final drama. 30 is the last masterpiece of Bartini lying on the outskirts of the Avino Museum in Monino and represents a very sad spectacle.

We can not say that everyone around does not care about this exhibit, no.

The management of the museum, according to the data I received, is very, very highly for the aircraft to be restored. Moreover, the administration is making efforts to raise funds for its repair and restoration.

A delegation from Italy even came to Monino, say, let's help restore the creation our Bartini. After the estimated cost was calculated, the Italians dissolved ...

It turns out that in addition to the administration of the museum, living on a rather modest allocation from the Ministry of Defense and a handful of volunteer fanatics, no one needs the memory of a person anymore?

No, there is still Taganrog, plants and enterprises of the Beriev TANTK, where BBA-14 was assembled. They help by searching in the warehouses for something that can help in restoring the aircraft at least to the status of a normal museum piece.

Damn it, well, we are correct, we are kind and honest, we blame the vandals from other countries who destroy and defile the monuments. And we do this not because it is so beautiful, but because we really think so. Well, I hope this is the case.

And so, in the photo, what remains of the last creation of man, who, not being Russian by birth, always wrote in all the “Russian” questionnaires.




back view





Empty engine nacelles



Wings...


Inside, too, complete chaos:










By the way, these are not traces of vandalism. These are traces of work. For 30 years, the brakes have soured, and volunteers mechanics remove one wheel, disassemble, clean, lubricate. In general, they make every effort so that the plane can be dragged to more civilized places where it will be possible to work on it.

I repeat that without the work of Bartini there would be no Tu-144 (if you believe Tupolev). Without the work of Bartini, there would be no our first companion (according to the Queen). I believe both unconditionally.

And all that’s necessary is to express gratitude from those for whom he worked. Do not cast a monument in bronze, not posthumously deserve some kind of award, order - this is ridiculous.

Do not give time to kill the last plane of the great designer - this is the problem.

We are building a mausoleum to a man who did his best for the collapse of the country and called it “the center of his name”. There is money for it. Of course, there is no money to save a single plane.

Why is that? After all, the same enlightened Europeans from Italy, the good they are now aware of, with pleasure poke us into our barbarism. Here, they say, rotted the last creation. Of course, it may not be poked, but nonetheless.

This is barbarism. Throwing out millions to bargaining at the Yeltsin Center, where all those who wish us “Western democracy” will be broadcasting is barbarism. And not to find money to help the museum restore the exhibit is also barbaric.

I do not know, unfortunately, whose doors need to be broken in order to understand there, the preservation of our stories, our memory of people who have laid down their lives for the benefit of our Motherland is immeasurably more important than the stories of Ekaterinburg guides on how Yeltsin loved Russia and how much he did for her.

About Bartini do not tell. It was a man of Business. His Yer-2 bombers bombed Berlin. The Tu-2, in the development of which he also took part (was sitting with Tupolev in a sharashka), was hammering the front edge of the enemy. His projects and development used by many aircraft designers.

Will the last Bartini plane rot in the far corner of the museum in Monino?
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  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2017 06: 19
    +12
    Definitely quite difficult to say. On the one hand, this is our story. On the other hand, the same VVA-14 was a uniform military-technical nightmare. Without detracting from Bartini's merit during the war years, I would like to note that his fascination with ekranoletami cost the USSR a pretty penny without the slightest practical benefit
    1. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 5 July 2017 09: 45
      +12
      I completely agree with the opinion above. The machine, in truth, can claim the standard of technical ugliness. It is somewhat surprising that in a practical USSR money was allocated for designs that are so far from real life.

      From the point of view of uniqueness, the car must be undoubtedly saved, because it still has not collapsed. Such things are akin to Andy Warhol's drug addiction, only in this case from engineering.

      On the third hand, maintaining such a machine, even if it is in a state necessary for the demonstration, is much more valuable than financing the incomprehensible Yeltsin center.
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 5 July 2017 11: 42
        +18
        Quote: IrbenWolf
        The machine, in truth, can claim the standard of technical ugliness.

        You yourself have built a dear much - invented, so that would be so responsible to declare?
        To begin with, we would familiarize ourselves with the project before declaring this.
        The machine was originally designed for certain types of activities (helicopters are also freaks with low efficiency, but this does not stop them from flying).
        Unfortunately, technically it was not possible to bring everything to life.
        1. Irbenwolf
          Irbenwolf 6 July 2017 07: 58
          +1
          I am related to computer systems. I have written enough application programs. I did not adapt, but wrote from scratch under the terms of reference. Therefore, I can create. However, in this case it is not relevant.

          Aesthetic perception and a sense of harmony are different for everyone and the fact that for me ugliness is for you a standard of beauty. There are also ugly planes and helicopters.

          About the car itself and its ideas, I read. The elimination of utopian ideas at the development stage is one of the design tasks. It is possible to launch pig-iron ingots into the sky, but this is unreasonable. The same applies to ideas and principles - they can be rejected at the stage of mathematical calculations, and can be straightened out at the stage of embodiment in the material equipped with all kinds of crutches. Malformations usually appear in the second case.
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 6 July 2017 09: 36
            +6
            Quote: IrbenWolf
            I have written enough application programs. Therefore, I can create. However, in this case it is not relevant.

            That is, your abilities from a completely different field and criteria (aspects) are radically different.
            Quote: IrbenWolf
            Aesthetic perception and a sense of harmony are different for everyone and the fact that for me ugliness is for you a standard of beauty. There are also ugly planes and helicopters.

            Aesthetics and beauty in technical products does not make any sense (load), unless they are "consumer goods".
            There are things where TTX (parameters) are important, rather than “wrapper color”. Especially if it's 100% new. In addition, often when creating a new one has to compromise (there is no technical possibility or the price is too high).
            Still need to take into account the purpose of the apparatus (equipment).
            1. Irbenwolf
              Irbenwolf 10 July 2017 14: 10
              0
              That is, your abilities from a completely different field and criteria (aspects) are radically different.

              This does not mean at all that Bartini and I are doing different things. He knows the formulas and laws creates only a drawing. Knowing my formulas (procedures and functions) and laws, I create a file.

              And the result of the work can be stuck together, or it can be firmly knocked down. In my sphere - “stuck together” is found all the time.

              And in my opinion this plane is “stuck together”.
    2. avt
      avt 5 July 2017 10: 15
      +3
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      , I would like to note that his passion for ekranoletami cost the USSR a pretty penny without the slightest practical benefit

      No. In general, he began to make an ekranolet from VVA-14 when he did not receive engines for vertical take-off. The car was not initially made like an ekranolet and didn’t even become that fact - it didn’t take off from the water to the screen, and even more so.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2017 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: avt
        In fact, the VVA-14 ekranolet he began to make of it

        So yes, but generally speaking, his design idea was just in the direction of the ekranolet
        1. avt
          avt 5 July 2017 14: 20
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          but generally speaking, his design idea was going exactly in the direction of the ekranolet

          She walked, but he did not spend money on it. Specifically, in the metal did nothing. VVA-14 can be said to be an experimental alteration, and I must say it is not a good option. And the fact that he advocated ekranoplans is a fact, but in metal and with real financial costs, moreover, the Butoma ministry is still a Doctor.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 July 2017 17: 51
            +1
            Quote: avt
            It was, but he did not spend money on it

            I admit my wrong, it will be more correct not for ekranoleta, but for seaplanes of vertical take-off and landing :))))
            1. avt
              avt 5 July 2017 18: 28
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              and on seaplanes of vertical take-off and landing :))))

              what Bartini was a genius and sometimes what he betrayed into the generally accepted classification was difficult to fit. bully
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 5 July 2017 11: 37
        +6
        I agree, initially the vertical was planned and the floats should have been inflatable, and not stationary.
    3. Abel
      Abel 6 July 2017 00: 47
      +1
      Strongly disagree. Ekranoleta - the grandfathers of ekranoplanes, which we safely just as well .... whether. "Lun", "Eaglet" is that not necessary? In the Black Sea and the Caspian - better than any corvette
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 26 February 2021 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: Abel
        Better than any corvette in the Black Sea and the Caspian

        who to drive there in the Caspian Sea or the Black Sea?
        These devices were needed for another. For example, the Indians dealt with the Pakistani fleet.
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 5 July 2017 06: 47
    +15
    WWA-14 deserves to be restored already because it is a unique development. Bad, good - it’s not for me to judge, I’m not a specialist, but she doesn’t look like anything and already deserves a normal place in the museum. Bartini was undeservedly pushed back during his lifetime, so at least the restoration of his last work will serve as a monument to the designer who thought outside the box.
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  4. Flinky
    Flinky 5 July 2017 07: 21
    0
    The “museum” named after Bori-drunk can at least be used as the Palace of Pioneers.
    And why at least you can use this (in solidarity with Andrei from Chelyabinsk) military-technical nightmare?
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    2. Abel
      Abel 6 July 2017 00: 52
      +3
      Please offer at least some military-technical glamor. And this "nightmare" flew and not bad, if you still gave to realize everything that Bartini wanted
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 6 July 2017 10: 54
        0
        Military-technical glamor? Yes Easy. I-185 - a great car for its time, which did not wait for a decent engine. The "Spiral" system, with hypersonic booster aircraft and manned orbital Mig-105.11 and BOR drones (105.11 is in Monino). M-17, which became the basis for the M-55 ("Geophysics"). Steel-6 and Steel-7 designs of Bartini himself - the first high-speed (and Steel-7 was also distant). I can still offer.
        A huge number of aircraft samples flew, and not bad. For example, XF-82 (which even went into the series), or V-173 ("pancake"). But this is not about that. For VVA-14, they were not able to develop engines for vertical take-off, and with a decent engine, you can even make the log fly. This remark refers to "not allowed to translate" - there are always limitations to the currently available technologies, and the development of new, especially promising ones, takes time. Therefore, one of the VVA-14 was converted into a 14M1P ekranolet, which did not need vertical take-off.
        Well, put 12 engines for vertical take-off ... This is a real military-technical nightmare (excuse me, I repeat).
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 26 February 2021 15: 53
      +1
      and why suddenly such a definition that this is a nightmare?
      What criteria do you use as a nightmare?
      and the last question - at that time, was there a more efficient apparatus for searching for submarines?
      I think there is only one nightmare - ignorance.
      the apparatus that Bartini made is not a serial debugged unit - it is just a crude demonstrator of a fundamentally new technology for searching for nuclear submarines, which very seriously surpassed even the one that has the misfortune to fly with us now.
      You can criticize the stone as much as you like for imperfection, on which the sculptor has just begun to work. And reproaches about the resources spent at the wrong address. If management and administrative workers wanted to make the costs optimal, they would have done so, but what does the designer have to do with it?
  5. alekc75
    alekc75 5 July 2017 07: 58
    +2
    this is our story! in the geyrop there are nightmarish samples and they are stored and ours is that in a landfill ?????
    1. stas
      stas 5 July 2017 12: 12
      0
      A little more our oligarchs and the Russian people will try to send to a landfill.
      And the king observes and does not interfere!
  6. vfwfr
    vfwfr 5 July 2017 08: 52
    +2
    1. This is our story, which it was not ... For that, the museum also needs to see this miracle of creation alive, and not in pictures! (it's worth it)
    2. "" "Museum — dump, Monino collection more and more resembles a garbage can. Mdya ... "" No money .. but hold on! We don’t want the trash, so: get up from the couch and go to the volunteers to help (if there is no money).
    3. .. For a pretty penny, practical benefits .. Citizens, you must be clients of the e-center ..) (((
    1. Torkvat torkvat
      Torkvat torkvat 5 July 2017 09: 03
      0
      But Yeltsin is not a story ???))))
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 5 July 2017 09: 47
        +5
        Quote: Torkvat Torkvat
        But Yeltsin is not a story ???))))

        History.
        A story of betrayal, drunkenness and frivolous destruction.
        The center is mothballed and taught to the younger generation as “no need to do”.
      2. Bastinda
        Bastinda 5 July 2017 11: 07
        +2
        As it is, this is not history. For a real story, you need to show all the pros and cons of that period.
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 11 July 2017 13: 45
          +1
          Quote: Bastinda
          As it is, this is not history. For a real story, you need to show all the pros and cons of that period.

          And what were the pros? belay
      3. stas
        stas 5 July 2017 12: 15
        0
        EBN is a nightmare of the history of Russia, and the Tsar is building monuments to him for the people's money at the request of EP, thieves and swindlers in law.
      4. Abel
        Abel 6 July 2017 00: 53
        0
        But not its most rosy pages
  7. Torkvat torkvat
    Torkvat torkvat 5 July 2017 09: 00
    0
    You see why the USSR collapsed))) in such crap to swell such amounts)))
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 5 July 2017 09: 06
      +2
      apparently you don’t understand at all
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 5 July 2017 11: 43
        +1
        Yes, he is an ordinary Troll, do not pay attention. All phrases of their manuals.
    2. wazza
      wazza 5 July 2017 09: 49
      0
      Yes, Gorbachev and Yeltsin have nothing to do with it ...
      1. Walanin
        Walanin 5 July 2017 14: 47
        0
        Collapses the whole beginning long before them
      2. iouris
        iouris 5 July 2017 20: 58
        0
        And Kohl has nothing to do with it either. It happened.
  8. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 5 July 2017 09: 32
    +8
    VBA-14 is unique.
    A vertical take-off amphibious aircraft with the ability to patrol afloat.
    Dynamic cushion at low altitudes.
    Do not confuse anything?
    Is something similar created?
    This car is really ahead of time. If only because the lifting engines did not have the strength to do it.
    And the very idea of ​​a universal machine will certainly be in demand, perhaps in another technical solution, but it will.

    Why not restore the Serpent of Gorynych at least as a Monument to the Red Baron?
    .........................
    Not so long ago, VO conducted the “Operation Donbass”.
    In general, a very sickly amount was collected and a significant contribution was made to the humanitarian aid of the Southeast.
    Do you remember?

    Why not rock the old days?
    Arrange "The action of the Military Review to save the WWA-14."
    Collect the money yourself. It may not be enough, but as the speed of the engine increases, other organizations can be connected, the main thing is to start and spin the recovery flywheel.
    Questions:
    - And Monino herself will not mind?
    - Is there a technical possibility of recovery?
    - is there a cost estimate?
    If YES, then ... GO.
    It will be a good and kind deed.
    REAL BUSINESS with Patriotism, Memory there and all other necessary moments.
    I would deposit money.
    ........
    ps Then, you see, let’s catch our breath and ... the tank would be restored some rare ...
    Fuel oil would be so ...
    feel feel feel
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 5 July 2017 09: 54
      +2
      when did VVA14 take off vertically? an ingenious invention - to push another 12 engines and fuel for them instead of a payload into the plane in order to try to fly vertically, and then drag them on yourself slowly, not too long (if you manage to fly) - oh yes Bartini! History did not know such a cut. Why doesn't he invent a steam locomotive of GDP with powerful engines in each car instead of cargo - this is ingenious, and you can learn a lot of money?
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 4 February 2018 06: 46
        0
        The aerodynamic design of VVA-14 is very irrational for vertical take-off. To do this, it is best to have a supporting body with small elongation planes. Optimal device in this respect is EKIP. On VVA-14, if we talk about its vertical take-off, it is only possible to slightly raise it to a meter, and then purely in the classics. Acceleration, separation, climb ...
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 5 July 2017 10: 35
      +2
      Arrange "Military Review for the rescue of VVA-14."

      that would be logical
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 5 July 2017 11: 46
        +1
        It seems like a group of enthusiasts working on the restoration of equipment is working in Monino, the guys recently restored the Tu-144. You can contact them (search the Internet). I heard that they have plans to restore the BBA-12, but since they work at the expense of their own and others' donations, things are not going fast. Want to help? Better find these guys.
        1. yehat
          yehat 5 July 2017 12: 03
          +2
          Tu-144 not fully restored - he saw. Just brought in a sane look, and the restoration requires a more thorough. And, sadly, it does not need a lot of money and you can attract students from the capital for this to practice.
          In general, the exposure in Monino requires much more attention than there is now.
          Government, cancel a couple of corporate parties and a couple of gold departmental toilets and tidy up the museum! There are a lot of interesting cars.
          1. DenZ
            DenZ 5 July 2017 12: 33
            0
            Quote: yehat
            Tu-144 is not fully restored - I saw it myself. Just brought in sane form

            This is already a lot.
            Quote: yehat
            And, sadly, this does not need a lot of money and you can attract students from the capital for this practice.
            you don’t need any students (most of whom are just shaking hands), they will restore to you, you won’t look without tears, you need restoration professionals (in fact, there are almost such enthusiasts).

            Quote: yehat
            Government, cancel a couple of corporate parties and a couple of gold departmental toilets and tidy up the museum!

            Well, yes ... Toilet bowls are dearer and closer in spirit (I won’t say that to everyone, but to the majority).
            1. Roman Skomorokhov
              5 July 2017 22: 31
              0
              Quote: DenZ
              Tu-144 not fully restored - he saw. Just brought in a sane look, and the restoration requires a more thorough. And, sadly, it does not need a lot of money and you can attract students from the capital for this to practice.


              Tu-144 restore. And a lot has been done this year. He has not just a sane look, he has been re-painted, all electrical equipment is working, salons are replaced. There's a lot of work done. Even the beak is now moving electric motors.

              I agree, the practice of MAI students would be a topic.
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 5 July 2017 11: 45
    +2
    It must be admitted that in the USSR they generally did not care about the preservation of landmark historical models of technology. Immediately after the Second World War, it was possible for free to equip museums and film studios with real operating models of equipment from all participating countries. But no. German tanks are still lined with plywood T-44. And in 1941, to my surprise, the Germans were met entirely by t-34-85. I am generally silent about aviation - the Yak-50 against the Polish agricultural plane.
  10. yehat
    yehat 5 July 2017 12: 01
    +4
    I saw the remains of this device live - a very sad sight.
    I think we need to save this unique device, and if not completely restored, then at least outwardly.
    This machine just makes the brain when you see it. Many who like to talk about the inhabitants of the USSR,
    as about “scoops”, they simply don’t know what the USSR did and what they achieved, and this needs to be shown. This is an element of national
    pride.
  11. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 5 July 2017 13: 53
    0
    It’s a shame, this is our story, this is our development of technology, we must take care and show it to the young.
  12. irbis0373
    irbis0373 5 July 2017 14: 26
    0
    Very interesting car. For its form, the Serpent Gorynych was also nicknamed. Perhaps it just appeared ahead of time. It is unfortunate if this exhibit disappears.
  13. Petr7
    Petr7 5 July 2017 19: 49
    0
    As a museum exhibit they can save, but no more - there is no USSR Empire, there is a Russian Federation. De jure and continuer, but de facto ....
  14. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 5 July 2017 20: 04
    0
    The device, of course, must be saved. I can’t say anything about the philosophical works of Bartini, it seems that the authors of the article also can’t, but about the works of Bartini in physics there is no need. This is the usual nonsense, published in a scientific journal for the debate.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      5 July 2017 22: 32
      -1
      "Bartini effect" - this is nonsense? Oh well...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 6 July 2017 08: 13
        0
        More details, please, about his "Effect". I wrote about his publication in the journal of Theoretical and Experimental Physics (ZhTEF) in the 50's.
  15. iouris
    iouris 5 July 2017 21: 05
    0
    Bartini is a genius and aristocrat of spirit, his ideas are the property of all mankind. If such brilliant and free individuals join the revolutionary project, then this means that the project is great. Some evil dwarfs are taking revenge on the giant Bartini. Bartini bequeathed to open a package of documents after three hundred years. He is an optimist. Hopefully the manuscripts do not burn.
  16. Graz
    Graz 6 July 2017 01: 27
    0
    I’m not sure that it makes sense to restore the aircraft, if you restore every sample of each aircraft designer, it will take a lot. But to immortalize a person with a monument or a street name in his honor is, in my opinion, a better option.
    And in general, in my opinion, I need to do it, I don’t know, a museum is not a museum, but at least an exposition with busts of all the famous domestic aircraft designers, designers of tanks, missiles, artillery, ships
    and drive schoolchildren there, talking about people who have made a significant contribution to the development and vitality of the fatherland
  17. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 6 July 2017 16: 39
    +2
    The fate of the genius in the USSR: February Bartini 14 1938 was arrested by the NKVD, accused of having links with the "enemy of the people" Tukhachevsky, spying for Mussolini. “Troika” has appointed 10 years of imprisonment and five - “deprivation of rights”. In the jargon of those years, this kind of sentence was called “ten teeth and five horns”.
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 July 2017 18: 54
      0
      Why are you talking about this again? Bartini made his choice, very deeply understanding the whole situation as a whole (and he did not emigrate to Italy as a dissident or on the fifth point).
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 9 July 2017 20: 34
        0
        What about "this"? What choice did he make? What emigration to Italy? What are dissidents and fifth points? What are you, dear?
  18. artwin
    artwin 9 July 2017 14: 30
    0
    The machine definitely needs to be put in order, and even in a flight-floating order, or else what is that Great Master, his last job, and you all about .. bali! Shame on you, shame and general censure :)
  19. psy06
    psy06 9 July 2017 19: 53
    0
    Quote: Tlauicol
    - oh yes Bartini! History did not know such a cut. Why doesn't he invent a steam locomotive of GDP with powerful engines in each car instead of cargo - this is ingenious, and you can learn a lot of money?

    You confuse times and concepts. The modern phenomenon called the "Cut" in the USSR did not exist.
  20. The brightest
    The brightest 9 July 2017 20: 36
    0
    The legacy of the Red Harrow is hidden in the future.
  21. EMAILS
    EMAILS 18 July 2017 15: 32
    0
    Yeltsin is the "saints" of the 90s .....
  22. fider
    fider 13 November 2017 14: 11
    0
    museums need to be maintained with the money of patrons and airlines. They get profit - let them unfasten them. I unfasten them for my old age. And for treatment.
  23. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 26 January 2018 17: 43
    0
    It is unfortunate that in this museum, many of the rarest exhibits from the past years (it was there in 2008, few have changed for the better since then) are in terrible condition.
    But this is logical, while the Central Bank and the government are diligently fulfilling obligations to service the US debt (by diligently acquiring securities of a potential enemy no longer us treasuries).


  24. yehat2
    yehat2 26 February 2021 15: 58
    +1
    Quote: Torkvat Torkvat
    You see why the USSR collapsed))) in such crap to swell such amounts)))

    The USSR spent less than 7% of GDP on all the so-called "crap", and it collapsed financially because the leadership of the ministries for several years buried almost all huge investments in the ground, and this is about 40% of GDP, which aggravated the problems.
    so you are approaching the wrong people with reproach, it is better to ask Gorbachev, Aliev, Shevornadze and others what they were doing before the 85th year.