Mystery of two plenums, Or 20 years, which destroyed the USSR

Historian Andrei Fursov and specialist in financial and banking stories Nikolai Ivanovich Krotov talk about key events that have predetermined the destruction of the USSR. What decisions were taken at the June plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU 1987 year, after which the process of destruction of the Soviet system became almost irreversible. Why this can be considered the logical result of what happened in 1967. What are the three areas of scientific and technological development of the USSR, which led the country into the future, blocked the nomenclature.

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[Boris55]

Mystery of two plenums, Or 20 years, which destroyed the USSR

The destruction of the USSR began with the assassination of Stalin i.e. for those who destroyed the USSR, it took 40 years, not 20. Until we start talking about the root causes, or when we don’t understand the consequences of those who pleased them.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Listen to you, so without the new Stalin, the Russian Federation will not become an economically developed country.
If you personally cannot live and work without a tyrant who would drive you, then live with him in your head, impose your Stalinism on others ....?

[Dead duck]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Listen to you, so without the new Stalin, the Russian Federation will not become an economically developed country.

Taki, but to listen to you - Stalin stood and chased everyone over with a whip .... but even without this business, he doesn’t like to ... whoever does not like to work. But sometimes ... sometimes ... the best and most obedient, he gave a carrot and stroked the head.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Taki, but to listen to you - Stalin stood and chased everyone over with a whip .... but even without this business, he doesn’t like to ... whoever does not like to work.

Where did I say this in my comment? Troll ....
And who is he to punish or award all three authorities in one "bottle", I am quite happy with the current Constitution of the Russian Federation ....

And in general, what does your comment (I wrote in response to someone else's) and comment Boris55 to the article under discussion?

[Dead duck]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

And in general, what does your comment (I wrote mine in response to someone else's) and Boris55's comment on the article under discussion have?

The most direct, accept the discussion and express an opinion in dialogue with those participating in the discussion and expression of their opinion or point of view (vision).
Or are you unfamiliar with such concepts as “opinion”, “point of view”, “questions and answers” ​​and generally communication between people through correspondence?

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Where did I say this in my comment? Troll ....

Just a periphrase of yours:

If you personally cannot live and work without a tyrant who would drive you, then live with him in your head, impose your Stalinism on others.

And there was no trolling ..... slightly flavored with humor.

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

And who is he to punish or award all three authorities in one "bottle" ..

Before this they themselves answered:

If you personally cannot live and work without a tyrant who would drive you, then live with him in your head, impose your Stalinism on others

Do not get angry, sometimes when people communicate, contradictions arise.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Good. Although these four words from Article 6 of the Stalinist constitution I would transfer to the modern

ARTICLE 6. The land, its bowels, waters, forests, .......... are state property, that is, the public domain.

http://krasvremya.ru/stalinskaya-konstituciya-sss
r-1936-goda-tekst /

[Dead duck]

"The joke should be funny and unexpected, like a preemptive nuclear strike."
With us everything belongs to the people. Only some took on the role of "managers" .... the people, however, cannot do everything themselves.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Under this Constitution of the Russian Federation, mineral resources do not belong to the peoples of the Russian Federation, you will find a refutation put a box of cognac ....

[Dead duck]

"Art. 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis for the life and activities of peoples living in the respective territories.
2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.
Art. 36 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
1. Citizens and their associations have the right to have land in private ownership.
2. Ownership, use and disposal of land and other natural resources is carried out by their owners freely, if this does not harm the environment and does not violate the rights and legal interests of others.
3. The conditions and procedure for the use of land are determined on the basis of federal law "
And where is it written that not to the people?

[DOCTOR ZLO]

That is, that in the Stalin Constitution the subsoil could ONLY be in the ownership of the state (i.e. the people), in the current Constitution of the Russian Federation the subsoil can be in any property provided for by the Civil Code of the Russian Federation ....
In order to gain ownership of the subsoil, a citizen of the Russian Federation must be an entrepreneur, otherwise he will not receive a license .... for subsoil use ...
X. NUMX throw out of your comment, because as you apparently do not distinguish the difference between the subsoil and the land .... (first, read the Land Code of the Russian Federation) ....

[Dead duck]

Do you think that 2 is not suitable?
"... and other natural resources ..."
Yes, and no one has canceled the right to own land (territory) ... with all that it implies.
You can buy a house or build, but not owning the land ... they can also ask for a "way out".
To be honest, I don’t need a box of cognac.
I don’t drink so much, and I prefer quantity to quality.

[Boris55]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Listen to you, so without the new Stalin, the Russian Federation will not become an economically developed country.

Without the Bolshevik, whom Stalin undoubtedly was and there is Putin, who rejoices for the well-being of most citizens, only a tough slave system will be obtained.


If thieves and corrupt officials shout about a teran who prevented them from fattening at the expense of the people, then let them scream from places not so distant. I don't give a damn about them. And what is the benefit to you, you are the same fraudster and swindler?

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Boris55
Without the Bolshevik, whom Stalin undoubtedly was

For some time it was, then began to put them on the wall, for promotion in power, or do you think they were also thieves and crooks, against whom they then made a revolution, against not crooks and thieves, a problem turns out ....

only a tough slave system is obtained.

Those. In your opinion, if a country does not build communism (and there are a majority of them in the world — 99%), then the system in such countries can only be slaveholding ....? And the USA and the EU are in your state a slave system?

And what is the benefit to you, you are the same fraudster and swindler?

I want the economy to be developed in the Russian Federation as well as in the "slave-owning" countries - the United States, the West European countries of the EU, Japan (all are among the seven most developed countries) ....
If you can’t live without a strong hand and love extreme sports (willingness to be sent to a camp), you can go to the DPRK, and here in the Russian Federation your people’s communists have already been exterminated (but you don’t give a damn about it, they were all crooks and thieves ) ....

[Boris55]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

For a while there was .... a problem turns out ....

You have an idea of ​​the period of the USSR as something homogeneous. This is not true. In our history there was a period of Totsky-Lenin. Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev and Gorbachev-Yeltsin. They are all different.

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

And the USA and the EU are in your state a slave system?

Yes. How do they differ from chained slaves? Only that the current slaves are transferred to self-service and the corral for them has become a little more.

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

If you cannot live without a strong hand

I do not need a strong hand, both local, about which you are hinting, and foreign, on which you rely.

If you want to continue the discussion, then I ask here because here the topic gets lost:
klin.forum-top.ru/viewtopic.php?id=264#p1095

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Boris55 Yes. How do they differ from chained slaves?

Well, if so, what is the point of further communication, you are a communist who will not prove anything ...

I do not need a strong hand, both local, about which you are hinting, and foreign, on which you rely.

Where you saw in my commentary on a foreign hand, troll when there are no arguments, however for the Communists it is a common thing to attribute text to your opponents that they never spoke ...
And again you lie and contradict yourself saying that you personally do not need a strong hand, because Your first words to the article were:

The destruction of the USSR began with the assassination of Stalin

Those. if Stalin had not been killed (the version supported only by the Communists), the USSR would not have collapsed, but if he had died his own death, it would have collapsed anyway, thus the whole USSR rested on one person - Stalin (as on B . Titus in Yugoslavia), to hell with such a system, where half of the population is sitting in the Camps, and the whole state rests on one Leader ....

[Boris55]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Those. if Stalin had not been killed, the USSR would not have collapsed

I am neither a communist nor when he was not, although the opportunity to become a communist was. In the first election, I voted for Yeltsin. I am for Stalin, not because he is a strong hand, but because he relied on the people in his actions. (Read Stalin’s famous toast “For the Russian people” - try to find in it at least one mention of the role of the party in the defeat of the Nazis). With the advent of Khrushchev, all party meetings became closed to non-partisans. The party usurped power, against which Stalin opposed. This is where the conversation ends. Any questions - write the link in the previous comment.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Boris55 Read Stalin’s famous toast “For the Russian people” - try to find in it at least one mention of the role of the party in defeating the Nazis

Only he said this toast in 1945, and before that there were purges, half the country in the Gulag and the Second World War, for which we were not ready ...

[Pancir026]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

and before that there were purges, half the country in the Gulag and the Second World War, for which we were not ready ...

Gozman. Are you in makeup?
Have you recently sung these songs here?
Good science is mathematics, not even higher, but just arithmetic
And so, Lenka considered that Stalin would burn for 200 years, one minute each, for the soul of a Soviet man who was killed personally by Stalin.

Let's all calculate how many minutes in 200 years.

And so:

One hour = 60 minutes

24 hours in a day, then 24 X 60 means 1440 (not 1700, this is the first lie)

In the year 365 days (days), 365 days are multiplied by 1440 minutes per year and we get - 525600 “killed”

And now we take, as stated by "Lenka Pantileev" two hundred years and multiply by 525 "killed"

525 600 X 200 = 105 120 000

Do you understand that this is one hundred and five million one hundred and twenty thousand?

Remember, there was still the same supporter of hundreds of millions of USSR citizens "killed" by Stalin as Solzhenitsyn ...

[Pancir026]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

I do not care about your Solzhenitsyn, I closer Sakharov .... Do not touch my communist ghouls .....

Oh, and the rights of J. Moritz, when she wrote this - "Fascist Germany
Worth understanding:
Soviet beginning
Her hardened.

Easy to understand
Holocaust Economy:
From People Soap
It cooked for itself,

Understand these are genes
German hygiene -
Soviet beginning
Her hardened.

No, don't approve
Such torments of hell
Overdid guys
Fascist soap factory

But worth understanding
Fascist Germany, -
Soviet beginning
Her hardened.

And you are from agitprop,
Russia is not Europe,
My intellect on this
Shed streams of light

And in this light you can see:
It's envious of you, it's a shame -
Fascist Germany
Worth understanding

Soviet beginning
Her hardened.
And you are slaves,,
You are not given freedom

Where intelligence ticks
Understand that they are not sinister
Bandera guys
Odessa soap factory

Freedom of obscurantism,
Killer Olesya, -
The Russians have the wrong strength:
From People Soap

Germany cooked
Understand these are genes
Not Russian hygiene!
And the Russian beginning
Her hardened. "
True, she wrote this in response to Aleksievich’s crazy speeches. But she exactly described you too ..
And at the expense of insulting ... yes you yourself insult each time by your fact of existence and scribbling. When in the wake of Goebbels-Saharov and others you write all sorts of chernukha.

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

I don’t want to talk with you further, because you are apparently provoking me to insult you and your relatives, and this is a violation of the Site Rules (I just write you to the troll in my notebook) ....

Try it.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: Deadush

Do you think that 2 is not suitable?
"... and other natural resources ..."
Yes, and no one has canceled the right to own land (territory) ... with all that it implies.
You can buy a house or build, but not owning the land ... they can also ask for a "way out".
To be honest, I don’t need a box of cognac.
I don’t drink so much, and I prefer quantity to quality.

That you again grabbed hold of land ownership, but I clearly said that it was definitely NEDRA, they did not belong to the people, and accordingly they could not receive income from their use ....
If everything was spelled out as in the Stalinist constitution, then entrepreneurs had the right to own subsoil resources on a rental basis, and each citizen (owner) would have the right to rent and receive a certain amount of money in his account regardless of who he is homeless or president ... maybe will it ever be ...
If I want to write a scientific article on this subject and give it to the publisher, then in an hour I will have “jackets” at home ....
I think that about

bowels, water, forests

there should be a separate article in the Constitution, which would say that the owner of the subsoil, water, forest, can only be the state (its multinational people), the state manages the subsoil, water, forests, collects taxes for profit from their use, transfers for temporary use , and distributes part of the income through the people .... This is approximately what happens in Norway and the CA ...