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Kozhin: contract with Ankara on C-400 agreed, but the money issue has not yet been resolved

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The contract with Turkey for the supply of the C-400 system has been agreed, but the loan issue has not yet been resolved, reports TASS message from the Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on military-technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin.



The contract is agreed, everything is clear, but the loan, for the money, the issue is not resolved,
Kozhin said at the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg.

Earlier, Director of International Cooperation of Rostec State Corporation Viktor Kladov told the agency that Russia and Turkey "have already agreed on the technical parameters of the contract for the supply of C-400 systems." At the same time, the contract itself has not been signed yet, and the parties are discussing the “non-technical aspects” of the deal.

S-400 "Triumph" - a long-range anti-aircraft missile system, adopted in 2007 and designed to destroy aviation, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium range. In spring, VKS deputy commander-in-chief Viktor Gumenny reported that missiles for the S-400, capable of hitting targets in near space, began to enter service.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 29 June 2017 14: 57
    +14
    Oh oh. did not understand what loan? and inconsistency of payment. damn, well yo! what does it all mean? do not give until full repayment of the contract. I do not believe Ottoman!
    1. Vladimir 38
      Vladimir 38 29 June 2017 15: 05
      +13
      Well, the question of money is the most important question. I hope the mind is enough not to give a loan. In general, a dubious deal .. There’s also no clue with the money .. It’s as if the NPP didn’t work out, our sellers can .. Give everything on credit, and then forgive ...
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 June 2017 15: 09
        +5
        I’m afraid that these wordings: “issue of credit” and “unsettled payment” will somehow be connected with the Turkish stream.
      2. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 29 June 2017 15: 26
        +6
        Quote: Vladimir 38
        It’s as if it didn’t work with the nuclear power plant, our sellers can .. Give everything on credit, and then forgive ...

        NPP construction is disadvantageous to the Russian Federation:
        The director of the Institute for Energy Problems (IPE), the former Deputy Minister of Russia for Atomic Energy Bulat Nigmatulin, expressed an opinion on the project for the construction of Akkuyu NPP in Turkey. The expert believes that Akkuyu NPP construction project is disadvantageous for Russia as with geopolitical, tAK and from a financial and economic point of view.

        https://www.seogan.ru/vigodno-li-stroit-aes-akkuy
        uv-turcii.html
        1. Vladimir 38
          Vladimir 38 29 June 2017 15: 27
          +8
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
          NPP construction is disadvantageous to the Russian Federation:

          So am I about the same? Kiriyenko got a rollback?
          1. Mystery12345
            Mystery12345 29 June 2017 15: 30
            +28
            NATO is supplying modern air defense systems ... surrealism. The world has gone insane ... recently, almost screaming about the war with the Turks, but ... the money doesn't smell ...
            1. yuriy55
              yuriy55 29 June 2017 15: 42
              +5
              Kozhin: contract with Ankara on C-400 agreed, but the money issue has not yet been resolved

              In what sense? To sell for Turkish lira, without dollar mediation, or “as always” - “spit out” the profits of the Russian defense industry for the needs of the Pentagon?
              Then the guys tuned in to the "buzu"? Why sell? belay Better our S-400s than American Patriots wink In which case, our air defense systems will be easier to understand Russian-made aircraft ... laughing
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 29 June 2017 17: 30
                +4
                Quote: yuriy55
                The world has gone mad ... recently, almost about the war with the Turks, they screamed, but ... money doesn’t smell ...

                So you screamed. And someone at that moment was busy with state affairs.
                Now another whining. Practically at every new step, a howl rises: they did not ask us, they did not warn us, they distributed everything, everything was bad.
                So become a person making such decisions and everything will be as you wish. Business then! wink
                1. ando_bor
                  ando_bor 29 June 2017 21: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  Practically at every new step, a howl rises: they did not ask us, they did not warn us, they distributed everything, everything was bad.

                  The information war, a good half of commentators, are enemy mercenaries.
                  At these levels, commentators, usually Ukrainians, are very cheap.
                  1. nik-karata
                    nik-karata 30 June 2017 10: 24
                    +2
                    a good half of commentators are enemy mercenaries.

                    Not! Not a good half, but rather an evil one! All the same, all the enemies! Around only enemies and enemy mercenaries! ))) laughing By God, they made me laugh !!!
                2. Shark Lover
                  Shark Lover 30 June 2017 04: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  So become a person making such decisions and everything will be as you wish. Business then!

                  48 pluses)))))))))))) Why look into your "chicken coop" when you can "suck" a neighbor, and in no way responsible for the result.
            2. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 29 June 2017 15: 42
              +1
              Quote: Mystery12345
              NATO is supplying modern air defense systems ... surrealism. The world has gone insane ... recently, almost screaming about the war with the Turks, but ... the money doesn't smell ...

              This air defense system t.s. to put it mildly not quite modern:
              S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system Adopted on April 28 2007 Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation. In 2007

              https://topwar.ru/2371-zenitnaya-raketnaya-sistem
              as-400-triumf-v-detalyax.html
              When did it begin to be developed?
              We will not drink it, others will drink it .....
            3. Partyzan
              Partyzan 29 June 2017 16: 02
              +7
              NATO supplies modern air defense systems
              that they would disassemble them and check everything, and on credit? marazam, or am I shod in skis? recourse
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 29 June 2017 16: 08
                +2
                Quote: Partyzan
                NATO supplies modern air defense systems
                that they would disassemble them and check everything, and on credit? marazam, or am I shod in skis? recourse

                And they can’t disassemble and verify the RD-180? Do not know why?
                1. Vladimir16
                  Vladimir16 29 June 2017 17: 32
                  +2
                  Because the skis are shod ...
                2. megajob
                  megajob 30 June 2017 00: 41
                  0
                  They can and I understand - only they have SUCH more expensive tongue and there the "free market" and "grandmothers love the score" and here they buy NOT because it is better, but because it’s cheaper!
            4. Pirogov
              Pirogov 29 June 2017 16: 44
              +4
              Quote: Mystery12345
              NATO is supplying modern air defense systems ... surrealism. The world has gone insane ... recently, almost screaming about the war with the Turks, but ... money doesn’t smell ..

              And note the price does not say, again there will be some kind of incomprehensible scheme, or vice versa UNDERSTANDING ...............
            5. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 29 June 2017 16: 49
              +4
              Quote: Mystery12345
              NATO supplies modern air defense systems ... surrealism. The world has gone mad ... recently, almost about the war with the Turks, they screamed, but ... money doesn’t smell ...

              It turns out that we are not just supplying NATO, but supplying it on credit. After all, they were very outstretched by ISIS, and you can go to meet them, lend anti-aircraft defense, and then - according to the situation. If anything, you can forgive.
              The state only does not forgive its citizens. I was arrested by a tax account for 123 rubles of unexpectedly arisen debt. But hundreds of millions of dollars have already been forgiven not by poor countries, in principle, and are still planning to forgive (once they give weapons on credit).
            6. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b 29 June 2017 19: 41
              +3
              This is completely crazy! So GDP is also crazy! One loot in the head. Everyone groans, that he is not! All this lies, but how much is exported from Russia? Only now the pockets are different, Russia has olin, and some have a thicker one!
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 29 June 2017 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: Evgeniy667b
                This is completely crazy! So GDP is also crazy! One loot in the head. Everyone groans, that he is not! All this lies, but how much is exported from Russia? Only now the pockets are different, Russia has olin, and some have a thicker one!

                You’ll be baptized as a “bulk man” and pecked. No.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 29 June 2017 20: 32
        0
        Quote: Vladimir 38
        In general, a dubious deal ...

        Chic deal, sell it soon! good yes lol
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 30 June 2017 11: 16
          0
          Moreover, the Turks will enter the SCO, CSTO,
          Customs Union, EAEC and it will be easier to set up integrated air defense. well there are no minuses, otherwise urapatrioty would be driven into minuses.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 30 June 2017 13: 11
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            well there are no minuses, otherwise urapatriots would be driven into minuses.

            With the minuses, I became a “marshal”. wink Scared already.
      4. 73bor
        73bor 30 June 2017 01: 01
        0
        Stupid deal! I have no words.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 29 June 2017 16: 36
      +3
      And why are the NATO troops our latest weapon? am Or is there no shame in the business?
      1. mgero
        mgero 29 June 2017 18: 13
        +4
        With the S-400, the Turks will easily bring down our Planes. That's why they sell it, I apologize for the loan. Insanity, after 13 times the Vines we arm the Turks so that the 14th time we fight with equal.
      2. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 30 June 2017 04: 31
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        And why are the NATO troops our latest weapon?

        Are you sure that we don’t have a Patriot, or what did they stamp there new? Recently, by the way, there was a program about the Foreign Intelligence Service, for the holiday, watch it.
        I’m also sure that the NATO troops have long had all the C 400 blueprints, and perhaps even newer, it is impossible to ensure 100% secrecy of any weapons already entering the troops. Leaving already at the design level, not all, but much. Counterintelligence works, but where can you get away from the Gorbachevs and the like, who occupy such posts right now in NATO countries,
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 29 June 2017 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: newbie
      Oh oh. did not understand what loan?

      Well, I don’t have credit confidence in Ankara. This means a microloan of at least 210 percent per annum and a penalty of 2 percent per day for “delay”. We will get rich in gold or Erdogan Straits
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 June 2017 20: 03
        +3
        Well, if you can crank up such a combination, then I am for it. you look there and not only take the straits. but it is hard to believe.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 30 June 2017 00: 57
          0
          Quote: newbie
          Well, if you can crank up such a combination, then I am for it. you look there and not only take the straits. but it is hard to believe.

          We, like the pretty ones, paid the Paris club and all sorts of things all the debts since 1917. Are they that red chtol?
  2. Ihrek
    Ihrek 29 June 2017 14: 58
    +1
    Just to the detriment of our national security. All the same, if you believe our MO - this is the most advanced system in the world (I really want to believe in it).
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 29 June 2017 16: 11
      +3
      Well, now the Turks, they will bring down all our aviation, including the white swans will get ...
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 29 June 2017 18: 35
        0
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        including white swans will get ...

        I beg of you. Bomb Turkey with Bears and Swans? When All Turkey is lightly urinated by coastal or marine means of destruction. But the Bears, after the conclusion of the contract, can fly through the territory of Turkey, as long as necessary
  3. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 29 June 2017 14: 58
    +2
    Hurry up Erdogan, as if a coup would happen again, or an attempt ...!
    And there and bombing for chemical weapons ..)))
    1. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 29 June 2017 15: 37
      +1
      They need to send Medvedev in order for him to say the sacred to the Turks - "there is no money, but you hold on!" wassat
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 30 June 2017 13: 13
      0
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Hurry up Erdogan, as if a coup would happen again, or an attempt ...!

      Vitaly, for once I agree with you! drinks I was sincerely upset when it became clear that the coup had failed. recourse
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 30 June 2017 13: 28
        0
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Hurry up Erdogan, as if a coup would happen again, or an attempt ...!

        Vitaly, for once I agree with you! drinks I was sincerely upset when it became clear that the coup had failed. recourse

        Well, it’s not yet evening ... You Jews rarely recede from the intended goal ..! Erdogan is sorry .. hi
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 30 June 2017 13: 53
          0
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Erdogan is sorry ...

          He is a narcissistic neurotic with megalomania, pushing through religious dictates in the country. He slowly but surely derails Turkey. Why feel sorry for him? request
          If it is convenient for you, then say bluntly and honestly - "he is a **** son, but he is ours with a **** son", do not need crocodile tears. wink
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 30 June 2017 14: 02
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Erdogan is sorry ...

            He is a narcissistic neurotic with megalomania, pushing through religious dictates in the country. He slowly but surely derails Turkey. Why feel sorry for him? request
            If it is convenient for you, then say bluntly and honestly - "he is a **** son, but he is ours with a **** son", do not need crocodile tears. wink

            He does not obey Israel-USA ..! That’s why they can dunk him and it’s a pity for that .. hi
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 30 June 2017 14: 34
              0
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              He does not obey Israel-USA ..!

              This does not mean that he is for you. Remember how Iran treated the USSR after the Islamic Revolution, no better than the states. Today Erdogan is wagging his tail, and tomorrow he’ll put a shit for you, they’re like the Ottoman Imperials.
              By the way, and Iran, too, count - quarrel with the Chinese tomorrow, and Iran will fall under them - you will slurp to the fullest.
              Each normal country has only one true friend - its own army.
  4. The black
    The black 29 June 2017 14: 58
    +11
    Eh ... in vain we sell these complexes to the Ottomans ...... in vain ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 15: 13
      +5
      Glory! hi Not only is the export version of the S-400 “sawed up” in terms of performance, it’s also screwed in the correct dagger so that the Ottomans couldn’t bang on ours.
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 29 June 2017 15: 25
        +6
        Paul hi here from time immemorial in Russia they said "do not believe the Turk" - you need to take an advance payment of 200 percent from them am , then only deliver them weapons sad Although, to be honest, I would never have sold a penknife to the Turks! !!!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 15: 32
          +3
          Vitalievich hi Yes, I also do not believe these sultans. But this is not a reason to freeze arms exports.
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 June 2017 15: 50
            +3
            Quote: Expelling Liberoids
            Paul hi here from time immemorial in Russia they said "do not believe the Turk" - you need to take an advance payment of 200 percent from them am , then only deliver them weapons sad Although, to be honest, I would never have sold a penknife to the Turks! !!!


            It’s better to buy from us, we will only win this and protect ourselves, and we will also tie the Turks to ourselves on a leash and we will adjust the length.
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 29 June 2017 15: 55
              +5
              sale by sale, they decided, okay. we all know about “cutbacks” in export versions. but when the question again arises about credit. Well this is not c200, after all. for such a miracle of science, you must take an advance payment.
            2. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 16: 04
              +3
              Quite rightly, Vitya. good
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 29 June 2017 16: 09
                +4
                Hello, Pasha! I am glad to see you in a cheerful spirit and a cheerful mood.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 16: 11
                  +2
                  Hi Garik! hi My mood is always malevolent-fighting, with rare exceptions. wink
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 29 June 2017 16: 15
                    +3
                    keep it up! always tail with a gun, to spite all troubles and problems.
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 16: 18
                      +3
                      Paraphrasing the famous saying: "We are reboot, but we are getting stronger!" .
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 29 June 2017 16: 22
                        +3
                        I agree that everything that does not kill us makes us stronger.
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 29 June 2017 16: 04
        +8
        screw the correct dagger so that the Ottomans couldn’t bang on ours
        we screw, and they screw request
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 16: 06
          +3
          Quote: Partyzan
          we screw, and they screw

          And take off closer to the stratosphere with the S-400. soldier
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 29 June 2017 16: 09
            +6
            And take off closer to
            I would like to believe
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 29 June 2017 16: 12
              +2
              And I still have no doubt that everyone who wants to unscrew the tsapa will have a surprise with a barbarysk. bully
            2. cniza
              cniza 29 June 2017 16: 13
              +2
              Quote: Partyzan
              screw the correct dagger so that the Ottomans couldn’t bang on ours
              we screw, and they screw request


              There it will be written - "do not fit will kill." lol
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 29 June 2017 16: 16
                +7
                "danger! Keep out".

                laughing
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 29 June 2017 17: 32
        +2
        Let the Turks leave NATO, then we'll talk. And so, solid misunderstandings. belay
      4. Tusv
        Tusv 29 June 2017 18: 40
        +1
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Not only is the export version of the S-400 “sawed up” in terms of performance, it’s also screwed in the correct dagger so that the Ottomans couldn’t bang on ours

        The correct Tsapa is Russian Air Defense. Not the right Tsapa - protection against the overrun. Here our engineers need to work
      5. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 30 June 2017 08: 25
        0
        That is, you think that it is impossible to break the “friend or foe” defendant? Nude nude
      6. Zadayvoprosy
        Zadayvoprosy 30 June 2017 18: 26
        0
        I apologize for getting into so unceremoniously, but one thought gnaws at me. Let's say that there is a kind of dagger, and when will they be ready to use and compromise it? On your first attempt to hit us? Or will a couple of our guys be sacrificed if necessary so that the tsap remains a surprise for longer? As if the reason for its disclosure would not be too expensive, if measured in the lives of our military.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 30 June 2017 18: 32
          +1
          If I am right in my reasoning, then there can be no victims on our part in principle. In their dialect, the Turks will be explained and duplicated by the corresponding inscriptions about not entering where they are not asking. They get in where they didn’t ask - they will fly to collect their own zapatsk races.
          1. Zadayvoprosy
            Zadayvoprosy 30 June 2017 18: 38
            +1
            Great if so. I hope we never have to reliably find out.
  5. wku
    wku 29 June 2017 15: 01
    +9
    “loot” wins common sense, it’s not at all accepted to sell the most modern weapons, especially to a NATO country of a potential adversary of Russia, especially to Turkey, a permanent enemy of Russia, guided by the momentary situation in receiving a cash draw from both selling the system and the loyalty of building a gas pipeline!
    but why shout about Russophobia, if Russia so lowers itself so !?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 29 June 2017 15: 03
      +4
      but why shout about Russophobia, if Russia so lowers itself so !?


      selling weapons? wassat

      in any case, we are not the first then omitted - but roofing felts by 3 roofing felts in 2nd place - it is not yet clear which of us is omitted - the French or we

      but the logic is funny)
      1. wku
        wku 29 June 2017 15: 11
        +5
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        selling weapons?

        not by selling weapons, but by selling a modern model to a potential adversary, not only for money, but also for loyalty! this is what the "knife in the back" life-giving does! they haven’t pulled it yet, picking it with them!
        and separately for you do not reveal your intellect by publishing the smile you mentioned above)))
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 29 June 2017 15: 14
          +5
          and selling a modern model to a potential adversary


          and who is our potential friend? Well, which can sell s-400. Lukashenko?) Maybe Iran or Brazil?) Or Venezuela?)

          Or why bother with arms trading?) What about the sale of the Su-35 to China?
          Or about an arms factory in Jordan?

          and separately for you do not reveal your intellect by publishing the smile you mentioned above)))


          Wow Wow wow
          1. wku
            wku 29 June 2017 15: 18
            +2
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            and who is our potential friend? Well, which can sell s-400

            before delivery to the arsenal c500 - to anyone! for example, Israel until Merkava appears - 5 will not sell a single Merkava 4, but in the case of tanks it could be too much, but with a high-tech one with 400 it should become a postulate!
            1. Rokossovsky
              Rokossovsky 29 June 2017 15: 28
              +2
              Quote: wku
              for example, Israel until Merkava appears - 5 will not sell any Merkava 4

              What are you saying!
              The contract with Singapore, apparently, doesn’t count, yes ?!
              1. Mystery12345
                Mystery12345 29 June 2017 15: 37
                +1
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                and who is our potential friend? Well, which can sell s-400. Lukashenko?) Maybe Iran or Brazil?) Or Venezuela?)

                everything is closed for themselves ...
              2. wku
                wku 29 June 2017 18: 54
                0
                Quote: Rokossovsky
                The contract with Singapore, apparently, doesn’t count, yes ?!

                I didn’t hear, but if so, it means they changed their position, or maybe a new one is approaching, but I wrote above that it’s busting with tanks, it’s not a missile system! .... Singapore ... why do they need tanks at all, on which tier are they will they be deployed?
          2. Vladimir 38
            Vladimir 38 29 June 2017 15: 35
            0
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            and who is our potential friend? Well, which can sell s-400. Lukashenko?) Maybe Iran or Brazil?) Or Venezuela?)

            Yes, actually, our friends are the army and navy. In this matter, it is rather important to get money (living), otherwise it may have been thought up to sell on credit. As for C400, there is already a C500, firstly, and secondly, the export version of C400 should be different ..
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 29 June 2017 17: 39
        +3
        "Omitted" not omitted. You yourself know that once you don’t ... But here it is far from the first. And what to do? belay There is only one argument so far: S-400 for the possibility of engaging South Stream for Russian money. But just what guarantees that the Turks will not leave us? bully And they, as it were, are not and cannot be by definition.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 29 June 2017 18: 52
          0
          and the sense of throwing the Turks? the main question is what is the point.

          Cut the golden chicken, which in the future will lay golden eggs in transit a couple of billion a year from nothing?

          Can rockets sell a lot in the kit? Will they destroy all aviation in the Russian Federation? Not all? And the point then? The otvetka will arrive despite the presence of even one more BK missiles

          We are building nuclear power plants - what would the nuclear power plant be without them? As well as the S-400 without us, what the hell? Kizyak will be loaded? And s-400 what to load? Without us, it will be two empty expensive toys.

          Like a pipe without gas. Scammers

          If we succeed, we will take the Turks for Faberge with mild economic methods.

          And not a whip - but a carrot. And it is worth a lot. Here the benefit is direct - and the benefit is not blah blah reasoning about something spatial

          and Turks are not Poles or ancient Ukrainians - Turks like counting coins like the whole east

        2. wku
          wku 29 June 2017 18: 57
          0
          Quote: siberalt
          But just what guarantees that the Turks will not leave us?

          Yes, do not throw! 100% just another knife in the back! the back is big not one knife can withstand!
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 29 June 2017 18: 58
            0
            Yes, do not throw! 100% just another knife in the back! the back is big not one knife can withstand!


            if the country doesn’t earn money, then local clowns will stab the inside of it under the squeals of a fallen living standard.

            The bulk of the money will go to energy.

            Read the comments - here already half of the mainstream readers are ready to go to the Kremlin with a pitchfork.

        3. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 29 June 2017 21: 03
          +1
          Quote: siberalt
          There is only one argument so far: S-400 for the possibility of engaging South Stream for Russian money. But just what guarantees that the Turks will not leave us? bully But they seem to be gone and cannot be by definition.

          well, it’s not so simple there -
          “We still have to coordinate a few things,” Vladimir Putin finally said. “The entry point, passage through Turkey, environmental safety issues ...”
          Here you could not believe your ears. That is, they began laying pipes along the bottom of the sea and still do not understand where this pipeline is being pulled ?! Yes, it was, it turns out. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3335481
          So the S-400, the fee for what was the pipeline wassat
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 29 June 2017 18: 50
      0
      Quote: wku
      but why shout about Russophobia, if Russia so lowers itself so !?

      You are Patsak, I am Patsak, and Eurasia is Patsak planet. Well, in general, the Chetlans need to give an intelligible answer.
  6. notingem
    notingem 29 June 2017 15: 03
    +5
    Strange contract. There is no money but you hold on
    1. Walanin
      Walanin 29 June 2017 15: 48
      +7
      Nothing strange. Erdogan holds Putin tightly ..fingers in a Turkish stream. It's just an ordinary bribe to be allowed to bring this unfortunate pipe at least somewhere. Otherwise, Gazprom will feel very bad. Therefore, they expressed concern about the downing of a Russian aircraft, and about the assassination of the Russian ambassador.
      These are all links of one chain.
      1. notingem
        notingem 29 June 2017 20: 34
        0
        Is logical. thank
  7. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 29 June 2017 15: 04
    +5
    How much can you give out your weapons to our enemies for our money ??? fool
    1. Walanin
      Walanin 29 June 2017 15: 50
      +8
      As much as the owners of the gas pipe need.
  8. DOCTOR ZLO
    DOCTOR ZLO 29 June 2017 15: 21
    +3
    The contract is agreed, everything is clear there, but the loan, money, the issue has not been resolved, said Kozhin at the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg.

    Achinea, some, how can a contract be considered as agreed, in the absence of an agreement on the procedure and terms of payment for the Goods? I still thought that the main task of ROSOBORONEXPORT was to profit from its activities, rather than stupidly collecting “agreed” but not paid contracts .....
  9. Akkula
    Akkula 29 June 2017 15: 49
    +5
    I have nothing against the Turkish people, but I am not enthusiastic about the Turkish government — did Russia fight with anyone more often than with Turkey ??? so is it worth giving a stone to a neighbor who will hit you in the back ???
    1. Stavros
      Stavros 29 June 2017 18: 52
      0
      Of course it will hit, there is no doubt about that. And then excuses like, we guys don’t know, someone wants to quarrel us. By the way, a fucking excuse for the Turks, I’ll tell you.
  10. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 29 June 2017 15: 52
    +2
    Turks bought patriots, sort of? Why does a pencil fly badly? Or was there a rental? Now give them the 400th. Again on credit, again "someday" of money, perhaps, and deign to give. As freeloaders, partners, their mother, Leni Golubkov got in their lives. Hell, to collect money from all the radishes who sticks out to us - we certainly will not die of hunger, and the S-800 will be muddied, again, quickly. For money, these things weigh heavily. But they are worth it.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 June 2017 17: 37
      +2
      Quote: iliitch
      Turks bought patriots, sort of? Why does a pencil fly badly?

      The Turks wanted a lot of things. Only everyone refused to give them the production in the volume that Turkey wanted.
      And in this transaction, the most interesting thing is not the moment of the loan. Turkey is a solvent country, the second market for Gazprom and regularly pays everything.
      Namely, the moment of technology is interesting to what extent and what components will be made in Turkey. None of the parties said anything concrete. Only abstractly from Russia did one number one say they should look maybe in Turkish industry.
  11. mag nit
    mag nit 29 June 2017 16: 05
    +4
    Can they also make holiday discounts?
  12. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 29 June 2017 16: 09
    +3
    why sell the recent "enemy" such a serious weapon? and even on credit! money in advance and at exorbitant prices, or else they will want to give tomatoes.
  13. The splinter
    The splinter 29 June 2017 16: 38
    +2
    Russia did not see anything from the republics of the former USSR except Russian refugees and arming them at the expense and expense of Russia is a crime. Arming NATO Turkey is doubly a crime!
  14. New user
    New user 29 June 2017 16: 51
    +5
    Just shot down a plane, killed an ambassador and sell the most modern S-400? And they accused of terrorism. Do not even sell, but on credit. At least for the sake of dignity this should not be, not to mention strategy.

    Although Israel also reconciled and paid 20 lemonade for the killing of terrorists. But there can be no question of the supply of any weapons. The whole government would fly right away.
    1. Dude
      Dude 29 June 2017 17: 29
      0
      Quote: New user
      But there can be no question of the supply of any weapons. The whole government would fly right away.

      And all because in Israel the government is Israeli! (And observes Israeli interests)
      And in Russia, the government is Israeli :)
      1. New user
        New user 29 June 2017 17: 54
        +1
        Rather, Turkish, Israel is not friends with the Arabs.
        1. Dude
          Dude 29 June 2017 18: 29
          -2
          Israel is friends with anyone, if it is beneficial to him :) and the Turks - not at all Arabs)
          It doesn’t change the essence of the matter - if this contract takes place - at least you don’t call this government - at least Burkina Fasinsky, at least Martian - but certainly not Russian :(
  15. 3vs
    3vs 29 June 2017 16: 59
    +1
    Let the Chinese take a loan, they will give it in kind (tomatoes ...)!
  16. Dead duck
    Dead duck 29 June 2017 17: 17
    +8
    Maybe something like this they want to sell ... especially if on credit
  17. Dude
    Dude 29 June 2017 17: 19
    0
    Sell ​​the latest weapons to a potential enemy and centuries-old enemy ?!
    In the current military-political situation? !!
    On credit??!!!
    In my opinion, after such feints with ears, anyone who does not understand which true the priorities of our Unknown Fathers are just a nerd.
    Or, bastard of the same brand.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 June 2017 17: 40
      0
      Quote: Dude
      On credit??!!!
      In my opinion, after such feints with ears, anyone who does not understand what the true priorities of our Unknown Fathers is just a nerd.
      Or, bastard of the same brand.

      Or a conceptual agreement was reached between countries on key positions for them. It’s just that they don’t sell such systems. At least, it’s overpriced on credit. The yard is not the 90s.
      Turkey and Russia have definitely agreed on many issues of geopolitics. Only we do not know everything.
      For example, Turkish media report that Turkey has reached an agreement with the Russian Federation and is launching an operation to liberate Afrin from the Kurds. And Russian units are leaving this zone and after the operation this region will also be included in the zone from the Idlib series.
      1. Dude
        Dude 29 June 2017 19: 14
        -1
        ... also Afrin.
        That an agreement has been reached - I have no doubt, but, alas, we have already seen too many agreements since 86, exactly since the arrival of the
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 29 June 2017 19: 22
          0
          Quote: Dude
          That an agreement has been reached - I have no doubt, but, alas, we have already seen too many agreements since 86, exactly since the arrival of the

          it’s not the same thing. All sides, except for Kurds and the United States for a united Syria. Therefore, it is not surprising that Russia gave the green light to knocking out Kurds. Syria and its allies have no strength. But the opposition from Idlib, even under Turkish command, is kicking the Kurds. Turkey was glad would be knocked out of the rest, but there the US troops are and will not give.
      2. notingem
        notingem 29 June 2017 21: 07
        0
        It was Moscow 1941. We have the right to know what is happening. Turkey is not a union state
        1. Dude
          Dude 29 June 2017 21: 56
          -2
          Turkey is the most important and combat-capable member state of the military-political bloc hostile to our country
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 30 June 2017 06: 02
      0
      Quote: Dude
      In my opinion, after such feints with ears, anyone who does not understand what the true priorities of our Unknown Fathers is just a nerd.
      Or, bastard of the same brand.


      Atts are known.
      Do not get excited, I think. After the rite of circumcision, the Turkish 400s will not be scary for us. The only thing that is terrible for us is Ninka Haley and Samantha Power (damn, in what serpentarium do they grow such specimens ???).
      But for the remaining passengers in those parts, the 400th pendal is fair. "E = mc squared." It can also enter "by area".
  18. Yak28
    Yak28 29 June 2017 17: 56
    +3
    I don’t know, can anyone tell me the USSR was selling military equipment to the most likely opponents of NATO countries?
    Maybe we can buy the F-35 from the USA, otherwise we’ll be tormented with the Pucka for another 10 years. And the aircraft carrier could be bought from them, but after the French divorced us from the Mistrals, I would not trust the NATO countries wink
    1. Dude
      Dude 29 June 2017 19: 05
      -1
      Nothing to add!
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 29 June 2017 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: Yak28
      Maybe we should buy F-35 from the USA

      Moreover, immediately 1000 pieces, but what, for such an amount, McCain in the forefront will run to lobby for this deal. laughing It’s what kind of money for the Pentagon it will be possible to knock out later, under the sauce of “containment” of these 1000 aircraft - trillions. laughing
      Actually, if you want to make the US budget burst, buy 1000 F-35 from them. fellow
  19. Lesorub
    Lesorub 29 June 2017 18: 20
    +1
    Sell ​​All Corporation - in action - With 400 best sellers - To the Chines, Hindus, Turks; The US will ask well and sell it to them for the first time or something !!! Laughter and sin, if you sell a lie - fill your pocket!
  20. sauvage
    sauvage 29 June 2017 18: 48
    +2
    Russian air defense is perhaps one of the most formidable types of weapons, which somehow cools the coalition in Syria, and the c400 is the most advanced today. Can you imagine that the United States sold the Patriot to Belarus or Kazakhstan? Yes, for no money they will not sell, especially on credit.
  21. Dude
    Dude 29 June 2017 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: Yeraz
    Or, a conceptual agreement was reached between countries on key positions for them.

    ... or, the immediate selfish interests of the Russian comprador ruling oligarchy in the next (and, alas, not the first time) prevailed over the STATE (and, strategic) interests. God grant that you were right, not me)

    Turkey is a member of NATO?
    NATO as a whole, by the way, and its individual members call us plain text, enemies? (and by no means "partners")
    We are selling a member of NATO the newest, and, as we say, unmatched in the world air defense system ... Sorry, but I do not understand what You can justify such an exercise! Turkey is one of the CSTO recently?
    I’m silent about the downed plane and the shot ambassador ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 June 2017 19: 19
      0
      Quote: Dude
      .or, the immediate selfish interests of the Russian comprador ruling oligarchy in the next (and, alas, not the first time) prevailed over the STATE

      Well, what are the short-term ??? This contract occupy a small share in the general contract of Russia. And this is not the level where the oligarchy can decide something.
      Quote: Dude
      Turkey is a member of NATO?

      Yes, Turkey is essentially a quiet war with one of the members of Greece, and the others OPENLY arming and financing Kurdish terrorist organizations and still hiding the Coup Organizer.
      It’s like a coin with two sides. And on the issue of Syria, Turkey eventually came into a single field with the Russian Federation, and not with its allies. Germany won all its planes in Jordan.
      Quote: Dude
      We sell a member of NATO the latest, and, as we say, unmatched in the world air defense system ...

      Well, before that, when the S-400 was not sold, the S-300 to another NATO member of Greece. And what ???
      Quote: Dude
      I’m silent about the downed plane and the shot ambassador ...

      Well, there’s a really complicated story.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 29 June 2017 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Well, before that, when the S-400 was not sold the S-300 to another member of NATO Greece

        No need to invent S-300s were sold not to Greece but to Cyprus, and only then they got to Greece in a roundabout way.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 29 June 2017 19: 37
          0
          Quote: quilted jacket
          No need to invent S-300s were sold not to Greece but to Cyprus, and only then they got to Greece in a roundabout way.

          I know this without you. But without the permission of the Russian Federation, this system could not get into Greece. And who continues to service these S-300s ?? Russia continues.

          The wise guy is the most complicated system. It’s not a tactical vehicle or BMP, where you can cheat. Try to service the S-400 without Russia, turn into an unnecessary toy.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 29 June 2017 19: 42
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            I know that without you.

            Then why are you lying if you know?
            Quote: Yeraz
            But without the permission of the Russian Federation, this system could not get into Greece.

            About the permission of Russia he invented, or who suggested? lol
            Quote: Yeraz
            And who continues to service these S-300 ?? Russia continues.

            Russia because the contract for maintenance and modernization of the S-300 was concluded with Cyprus and we are formally obliged to fulfill it.
            Quote: Yeraz
            Nerd is the hardest system

            What do you want to know from? This is not the price of tomatoes in the market lol
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 29 June 2017 20: 05
              0
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Then why are you lying if you know?

              Because about this on this site MILLION times said and suggested that the interlocutor, unlike you, has a head on his shoulders.
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Russia because the contract for maintenance and modernization of the S-300 was concluded with Cyprus and we are formally obliged to fulfill it.

              Do you want Russia a sucker ??? Without his knowledge, the systems were transferred to the other side and Russia is obliged to service ???
              Quote: quilted jacket
              What do you want to know from? This is not the price of tomatoes in the market

              From there. You better go pour yourself a vodka and snack on a tomato.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 29 June 2017 20: 15
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                Because about it on this site MILLION times said

                They said a million times, but you continue to persistently lie in order to deceive the newcomers?
                Quote: Yeraz
                Do you want Russia LOCH ??? Without his knowledge, the systems were transferred to the other side and Russia is obliged to serve ???

                The complexes were temporarily located on the Greek island of Crete since the USA, Turkey and some other countries protested against their placement directly in Cyprus and then they remained there “forever”.
                In fact, our country was deceived, perhaps with the tacit consent of the Yeltsin team.
                Quote: Yeraz
                From there.

                So you don’t even know the price of tomatoes in the market? How do you trade them? lol
                Quote: Yeraz
                You better go vodka yourself pour and a tomato snack.

                What for?
        2. notingem
          notingem 29 June 2017 21: 17
          0
          Type of capitalism. A traitor to the homeland has a very broad concept. The magic word V A L U T A
      2. Dude
        Dude 29 June 2017 19: 42
        -2
        2 Yeraz:
        Sorry, but everything that you wrote above the post is nonsense. Or, a rather clumsy attempt to launder a black male (s)
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 29 June 2017 20: 09
          0
          Quote: Dude
          Sorry, but everything you wrote above in the post is nonsense.

          Excuse me, but everything you wrote is still nonsense. You have accused the Russian leadership of such an important matter or of betraying or thirsting for money that it does not at all fit with the current leadership and with the goals that it fulfills in the BV region and, in particular, in Syria.
          Such things cannot be done without clear agreements between countries in the most important aspects.
          Neither Turkey will simply give up the PROTECTION of its airspace to a country that is hostile to it and that it will attack (everyone here is sure that Turkey will attack) and Russia will not sell the system to a country that is hostile to it, especially after the Su case.
          If in your understanding there are complete degenerates at the top, then I have a higher opinion
          1. notingem
            notingem 29 June 2017 21: 26
            +1
            Yes, there are enough degenerates upstairs. And there are too many of them
            1. Dude
              Dude 29 June 2017 21: 33
              -2
              Verily, brevity is the sister of talent!
          2. Dude
            Dude 29 June 2017 21: 26
            -2
            Dear, the leadership of the Russian Federation, I have not directly blamed anything! I just expressed, in my opinion, well-founded the opinion that this contract poses a direct threat to Russia's interests.
            And all the more, degenerates, I didn’t call anyone.
            I respect your opinion, but I want to note that in the history of my long-suffering country I have shouted many times - "you can see better!" ...
            And, after some time, it became clear that “there” they were either mistaken or, in general, traitors sat down; and, it happened, both of them, together.
            Demand to bring proofs to the studio - sorry, you moved on to the study of Russian history - well, at least from Aleksashka Menshikov and Biron, through. All 3 Alexandrov, Milyukov with Kerensky, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Yezhov, XX Congress, and to the Bialowieza Alcoholics
            So there’s no need to sing songs on the theme “the boyars know better”
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 29 June 2017 21: 58
              0
              Quote: Dude
              So there’s no need to sing songs on the theme “the boyars know better”

              I know the history of Russia very well, I managed to finish school before the exam.
              But this is not the case in my opinion.
  22. New user
    New user 29 June 2017 19: 29
    +2
    The whole world will laugh.
    1. Dude
      Dude 29 June 2017 19: 39
      -2
      They have been neighing for a long time. And feet, wiping, wiping.
      Truly, when haberdashery becomes cardinals ...
      1. notingem
        notingem 29 June 2017 21: 27
        +1
        Well if haberdashery
        1. Dude
          Dude 29 June 2017 21: 40
          -2
          They think they are themselves Spinoza ... But the essence of the small shopkeeper (s) is close to the verdict .. For the country
  23. Alexey g
    Alexey g 29 June 2017 20: 35
    0
    Quote: Mystery12345
    NATO is supplying modern air defense systems ... surrealism. The world has gone insane ... recently, almost screaming about the war with the Turks, but ... the money doesn't smell ...

    That's all whining that many countries (including NATO members) are stupidly under the yoke of the United States, in Turkey you can see progress from this yoke to get out. S-400 buy in order to insure themselves.
    Here it should be clear to any student. Well, it was not in vain that they completed the export modification of the S-400 for such a long time, there are so many bookmarks that even the Russian titmouse or some bullfinch there will refuse to bring down if something happens. :))
    The main thing is to pay money.
    1. Dude
      Dude 29 June 2017 21: 48
      -2
      I will play the role of a schoolboy, explain to the fool what is the point?
      And what is the affront of the Gallss roosters, with Vladivostok and its sistership?
      Or maybe everything is simpler - do not sell to enemies?
      Well, or why did the partners with UDC punish us? (Threw)
  24. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 30 June 2017 12: 42
    +1
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Quote: Vladimir 38
    In general, a dubious deal ...

    Chic deal, sell it soon! good yes lol


    The expert added that the export modification of the S-400 air defense system has significantly weakened characteristics. She has a lower detection range of enemy aircraft, weaker noise immunity. Export S-400s can simultaneously track and fire less targets than the original Russian systems.

    It’s just that even the export version of the S-400 is better than any Western air defense systems. And no one will sell the originals to anyone. And Turkey will tie itself to Russia with the purchase of the S-400. Service, spare parts, ammunition, specialist training, and most importantly, a blow to NATO’s prestige.