P. Durov: Potential blocking of Telegram will not complicate the tasks of terrorists

After the Telegram team refused to provide Roskomnadzor with data on the work of the messenger, which require rumors in order to counteract terrorists, drug dealers and extremists of various kinds, this messenger may be blocked in Russia. Recall that the security services have claims to Telegram due to the fact that this messenger is often used by terrorists to recruit new fighters, to coordinate the implementation of terrorist acts. In addition, coordination through Telegram is carried out by representatives of the criminal world of drug trafficking. Telegram use is characterized by encryption features, in which messages remain only in clients' smartphones.

On your social network page In contact with Pavel Durov commented on the situation:

The head of Roskomnadzor stated that Telegram must give the secret services "keys for decryption" so that they could read the users' correspondence and catch the terrorists. This requirement is not only contrary to Article 23 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the right to privacy of correspondence, but also demonstrates ignorance of how communication is encrypted in 2017.

In 2017, the exchange of secret information is built on terminal encryption, to which the owners of instant messengers do not have and cannot have “keys for decryption”. These keys are stored only on the devices of the users themselves. Although Telegram was the pioneer of this technology, today all popular instant messengers use endpoint encryption, including WhatsApp, Viber, iMessage, and even Facebook Messenger.

Potential blocking of Telegram does not complicate the tasks of terrorists and drug dealers - dozens of other instant messengers built on terminal encryption (+ VPN) will remain at their disposal. No country in the world has blocked all such messengers or all VPN services. To defeat terrorism through blocking, you will have to block the Internet.

Thus, once again it can be stated that any development of technologies, like a medal, has two sides, as well as any attempts to block the development of technologies.

Comments

[Barakuda]

I listened to the statements of the head of the "telegram", I immediately wanted to "bomb" or plant, and at hand I can only "shoot", I won’t get it. Something too liberoid.
But there is a hacker, there are people, but there is no money.

[Finches]

Pasha, who is Durov, the whole point is that the material nature of the state is determined by a number of elements of various properties: punitive, regulating ... etc. Including the tasks of protecting their citizens in various ways from those who want to undermine the foundations of the state in one way or another! Your Telegram is a convenient communication tool for such individuals, which naturally cannot but strain the state and poses a certain threat to the citizens of this state, but the state does not interfere in your entrepreneurial activity, but only insists on the implementation of its Law! They block the telegram because you Pasha don’t want to comply with the Law of the state, so you don’t have to make a victim of the “bloody” regime!

[ImPerts]

The FSB announced the use by terrorists of Telegram before the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg
Moscow. 26 June. INTERFAX.RU - The FSB of Russia claims that terrorists and "their curators abroad" are actively using to communicate the Telegram messenger, including during the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg metro on April 3.
https://news.mail.ru/incident/30188170/?frommail=
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[Stirbjorn]

Quote: ImPerts

Moscow. 26 June. INTERFAX.RU - The FSB of Russia claims that terrorists and "their curators abroad" are actively using to communicate the Telegram messenger, including during the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg metro on April 3.

Can ban gadgets at all? - otherwise the terrorists used stopudovo before the terrorist attack ... otherwise you will ban Telegram, so they will switch to WhatsApp or Viber!

[Machete]

Viber and Vatsap can be traced if desired. Telegrams are not tracked in any way at all. That’s the catch.

[Varangian]

impossible, now at least whats app certainly

[reservist]

Not only telegrams are tracked, other messengers are already all under the hood?

[ImPerts]

Quote: ImPerts

Those. Durov can say with absolute certainty that not a single intelligence agency in the world reads correspondence in Viber, Messenger and Votsappa?

I get the impression that Durov also shared a telegram with the staff, etc. Otherwise, they would not have been allowed to live quietly in Finland, they would have been forced to extradite terrorists as accomplices long ago. But with the FSB, Durov decided to play the fool ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: ImPerts

would have been forced to extradite as an accomplice to terrorists. But with the FSB, Durov decided to play the fool ...

What are you talking about? what is the accomplice of terrorists? no one demanded to extradite him, never and no charges were brought, in general!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: ImPerts

Quote: ImPerts

Those. Durov can say with absolute certainty that not a single intelligence agency in the world reads correspondence in Viber, Messenger and Votsappa?

I get the impression that Durov also shared a telegram with the staff, etc. Otherwise, they would not have been allowed to live quietly in Finland, they would have been forced to extradite terrorists as accomplices long ago. But with the FSB, Durov decided to play the fool ...

Hardly. He does not have enough money to share with anyone))) It is convenient for 314ndos as a scarecrow. Type of bulk or 314 Dorkovsky.

And about playing with the FSB ... And how does he play with them? Doesn't give encryption keys ??? So there are none. Doesn't give up control of the program? And it is not obliged. They just need to deal with the development of the telecommunications sector ... but it's easier because the cart is closed))

[warriordima]

It is strange that Durov was so cautious about blocking his telegrams in Russia, because the share of his income in Russia is not large at about 3% and there is not even a translation into Russian in his messenger. He will not lose anything, because he initially oriented the business project to the West, and then suddenly somehow actively prodding., it seems like a theatrical (bad) game of a bad actor.))
And since the guy seems to be talented, it is a pity that he was led west in the pursuit of "independence", here are the tilki where independence from Russia begins, dependence on NOT Russia begins)).

[NordOst16]

It’s just that the company didn’t take soap beautifully, and the owner of the soap is not the last person and has connections in the government. Therefore, he has certain grounds for personal hostility.

[akribos]

Even terrorists and other hooligans use phones, letters, live in houses and apartments, walk the streets, talk with other people and breathe air, have desires and have emotions. It’s best to install video cameras and microphones in every room in Russia, add antidepressants, antipsychotics and tranquilizers to citizens’s bread. In this case, the citizens of Russia will be calm and happy, will work a lot and for free, walk in the same clothes and sleep peacefully. It may be necessary for the state to turn to people, to change its internal policy, so that a person does not have stupid thoughts, to have a confidence in the future and people can live in peace. Sincerely.

[777-3-59-97]

The FSB announced the use by terrorists of Telegram before the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg

..... And yet, the terrorists ate the metro explosion and ate Dutch cheese and Polish apples, BUT fortunately, these products have already been banned in the Russian Federation!

[pv1005]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

The FSB announced the use by terrorists of Telegram before the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg

..... And yet, the terrorists ate the metro explosion and ate Dutch cheese and Polish apples, BUT fortunately, these products have already been banned in the Russian Federation!

Well done today cookie earned.

[Slovak]

A normal person has nothing to fear if the security services check his connections and contacts, fortunately, this does not go anywhere further. In the US, everything is under a cap and no one is rocking the boat. The bandits are silent, only liberals are indignant (how can they receive instructions from the State Department) and corrupt officials (how to cut loot and share, where to hide).

[Raindragon]

Most recently I read your correspondence with some Svetlana Kotik, can you find out who you have to her? Or ask your wife? In general, there are many interesting things ... Do you have nothing to hide? Just a couple of videos I’ll buy very well for advertising, and your boss asked for a general summary about the increase (does not shine) ...
But seriously, the fight against terrorists via Telegram is very controversial, why not ban the Internet? Leave only gos.sites and all?

[iwakura]

Well, it’s enough to carry nonsense already, Durov, of course, still has that “frame”, but the program is moreover, if there is simply no universal key to it.
Moreover, given that the PGP encoding algorithm is already chewed in books for dummies, you can write it yourself, on your knees, in a couple of hours. And no data stored on external servers that are needed only as a telephone exchange to connect the two subscribers and help if they have a closed network. Another question is that what for nobody needs such a program. They are all the same inside and differ only in steepness and beauty of appearance.

Can we block the public services portal? the algorithm is the same, though the key is issued one for life, so cracking it is much easier

Roskomnadzor every day pleases with new facets of insanity

PS. My phone doesn’t allow you to use anything because of its cost up to 1 thousand and respectable age, you can’t send SMS messages - the letters on the buttons are erased. And he never used all sorts of messengers, except for the dead ICQ. But as a person who has been working in IT for 20+ years, the next attempts to block or control something cause only irritation with a non-targeted state expenditure. funds.

[iwakura]

And, no, I'm not American. This is by the way how even a deliberate struggle within the framework of a separate enterprise with sitting employees on forums during working hours is nothing more than a zilch.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Finches

Pasha, who is Durov, the whole point is that the material nature of the state is determined by a number of elements of various properties: punitive, regulating ... etc. Including the tasks of protecting their citizens in various ways from those who want to undermine the foundations of the state in one way or another! Your Telegram is a convenient communication tool for such individuals, which naturally cannot but strain the state and poses a certain threat to the citizens of this state, but the state does not interfere in your entrepreneurial activity, but only insists on the implementation of its Law! They block the telegram because you Pasha don’t want to comply with the Law of the state, so you don’t have to make a victim of the “bloody” regime!

Senya, Zyablintsev or whatever. The law by which you are hiding is nothing more than a fig leaf for a causal place. That is, it is clear to everyone that this is a course towards total surveillance and an attempt to personally spoil Durov, but is presented as a fight against terrorism. Your lack of understanding of technology puts you in a stupid position. The program is written in such a way that it does not fall under the law and at the same time guarantee users the privacy of correspondence. Its ban with such a buildup in the media is a banal show for the layman. From the ban just unaffected. The ban will lead to the appearance of even more paranoid messengers, regardless of whether the cart is banned or not, all those who need to communicate without prying ears and will do it without problems.

[Finches]

And doesn’t it make it more polite to clever sense of self-importance?

[KyrisAlive]

Such would even justify a video camera in his toilet, if only they would say that it was against terrorists.

[Finches]

When you are robbed and raped - where are you running? Correctly? To the state for help ... At the same time, weeping that why the heck we are paying taxes for the police, the army and the Russian Guard ...

If you do not understand the mechanism of action of the state system and the essence of the concept of the state, then at least do not distort or, more specifically, reasonably try to discuss ...

[Hog]

I would not be happy to pay, since in most cases there is no sense in them when you were robbed / raped, etc. the action has already taken place, and the fact that someone will be punished later (if you are very lucky) will not be easier (if you were already killed, it makes no difference to you, right?).

[Finches]

Of course, I could be wrong, but your opinions, it seems, belong to a fairly young man ... However, youth, that flaw, which unfortunately passes quickly!

[Raindragon]

Alas, only the grave will correct the hunchback. It is not clear why Durov cut the branch on which he sits. He doesn’t want to follow the libraries, he doesn’t want to be sold - a fork. He wants a third way, good luck with that.
And by the way, who doesn’t know - terrorists rarely use the Telegram, they got ANBs programs. America is so easier to keep track of the minions. The telegram was created to communicate where it is difficult in another way (firewalls, etc.). With which he copes little by little.

[just exp]

But how can Pasha comply with the law if this is not technical?
to make a new Telegram with encryption that can be decrypted by the face? so suspicious individuals will simply transfer to another messenger, and how will Telegram decryption after catching it have someone to help the fes?

[NordOst16]

And how is the government going to read personal correspondence and abide by the constitution?

[Kenxnumx]

And quietly in the liver?

[electrooleg]

There are tons of applications abruptly than this frostbitten telegram. All this work to block them is a spring-way. That is a war with windmills in the absence of sound logic.

[Juborg]

Durov, behaves like a fool! Other words are somehow not selected. Or mows under d u r a to a.

[electrooleg]

Quote: juborg

Durov, behaves like a fool!

And how should he behave if he is asked to give what he does not have
To a stupid question - a stupid answer.

[Raindragon]

Do you know what these squabbles of Telegram are for? Yes, the money spent there and in comparison does not go with the funds for a comparable advertising company. Plus, they increase the rating of the application, and more and more people believe that they are not eavesdropped (the FSB themselves admitted that they did not hack and are not able to hack)

[just exp]

Do you behave better?
You are much more stupid than Durov (by the way, I can’t stand it), you didn’t even bother to read an article about which, with a clever face, broadcasts the truth to the dark womb.

[ImPerts]

Those. Durov can say with absolute certainty that not a single intelligence agency in the world reads correspondence in Viber, Messenger and Votsappa?
Strange this Durov.

[Machete]

Americans read for sure.

[Raindragon]

They read, and not only the Americans, but also a bunch of left-wing people

[satum]

He probably gets money from terrorist organizations)). Or from the CIA, the same thing

[Großer feldherr]

Of course there are no terrorists, serious people use one-time keys and do not bother.
But any drug dealers and petty crime, albeit a little, but still life will complicate and will allow to file illegal activities on the network.
And in his message, Durov is cunning, the encryption algorithms of his messenger are the same for all users, and Pavel has the source, otherwise the recipient could not read the message.

[seal78]

And in his message Durov is cunning

As you put it mildly - "disingenuous")))

[I read the news]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

the encryption algorithms of his messenger are the same for all users

That's right. But the keys are different.

[Raindragon]

And given that floating algorithms have long been junk, moreover, adding server encryptors, the algorithm has been breaking for a very long time

[just exp]

gnupg sources are also there, at what everyone who wants, for they are GNU. try to decrypt.
and then something a bunch of wise men appeared that I think that since it is known how it is encrypted, it means that it’s easy to decrypt.

[petrol cutter]

Yeah I’m far from all this, I don’t use it (and therefore, you can close it , no pity). But in general it’s interesting.

[210ox]

If we really live in a "rule of law", then every citizen is obliged to comply with the instructions and requirements of public services. And is there a link to the constitution? But is it OUR, is this constitution? It was written from the words of advisers from the Zashtatnikov EBN ..

[Großer feldherr]

So why EdRo and Volodya did not rewrite it? They have all the powers.

[210ox]

Probably satisfied with the situation .. Actually, this law is like a drawbar. Wherever you turn, that’s what happened. And if you weren’t satisfied, we would have already introduced the sixth article .. About the guide and the guide ...

[Alexander 3]

You can dig a garden with a shovel or dig a hole, or you can kill a person.

[Banishing liberoids]

That is why it is necessary to persuade someone, does not want to help the country with good, the Criminal Code must come into action, and, article for aiding terrorists!

[KyrisAlive]

He is not a citizen of the Russian Federation for a long time, and the company is not Russian. Therefore, it does not owe anything to anyone here, and even less so to flawed Roskomnadzor.

[samarin1969]

Overseas "founders of the Constitution" after 2001 quite freely treating her. No need to be "holier than the Pope" ... Terror in Russia does not receive any serious restrictive opposition (transparent border, weakly controlled foreigners, gangster forests of the Caucasus) ....
If Mr. Durov tried to build a business on "secrecy" - this is his problem. He is an intelligent, experienced person, and pretends to be a “naive sheep”.

[Großer feldherr]

Only 3% of his income falls to Russia; he did not even bother to translate his application into Russian.
Therefore, I decided to just put a bolt on Roskomnadzor and thereby gain a reputation with 97% of its users.

[Kenxnumx]

Wow. And I did not notice that there was no Russian.

[Großer feldherr]

This is all because the whole interface comes down to two pictures: a pencil - write and an airplane - send, but there is no Russian)

[maxbaxg61]

There is no Russian but there is a crack

[reservist]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

Only 3% of his income falls to Russia; he did not even bother to translate his application into Russian.

Well, this seems to be his principled position ... like he was offended by the regulator and is not going to conduct business in Russia ...

[Großer feldherr]

He harbored an insult even after his VC was squeezed out.

[reservist]

it seems like ...

[Titsen]

Quote: Barracuda

but no money.

Just like Dimonski!

In fact, they made an advertisement for bandits, crooks and terrorists ...

And everything is under control!

[Kenxnumx]

Brains need to be blocked by these blockers. By the way, a significant part of ter attacks is carried out with knives. You can ban knives. And cars. And walk naked so as not to hide the bomb.

[Ace Tambourine]

In general, prohibit any means of communication, print media, writing and the alphabet ... Yes, I’ll take a gadget from an iPhone fool ... 100 pounds he communicates with accomplices through a telegram and swabs grandmothers ...
Back to the jungle ...
In the process, this is an ordinary business spin ...

[Strashila]

Durov himself in an interview said that the developers of Western communications cooperate with special services ... and this is normal, in the West they just want to sleep as calmly as possible ... it is better to prevent than to investigate the consequences.
And byak people, if even without his "telegram", find how to contact ... Colombian drug producers used game consoles as a means of communication ... and talked in game chat. Let him be glad that they made him a freebie advertisement.

[just exp]

this is just abnormal, because they are not catching drug dealers and others, but those who disagree with their policies, the West has already begun to enter the 1984 era.

[Strashila]

The state will always be a machine of repression ... it is a common world practice.
In the old days, in order to hide information, the text was written in milk, now it is encrypted.

[just exp]

it can still be hidden in pictures and music.

[Altona]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

But any drug dealers and petty crime, albeit a little, but still life will complicate and will allow to file illegal activities on the network.

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The state will immediately climb to seek sedition and revolutionaries, drug dealers and petty crime generally serve the rich, and they must be taken red-handed, and not for correspondence to Telegram. We need to deal with housing and salaries, and not obscene in everyday life and messengers. Terrible goofs are sitting in the Duma and are doing absolutely what they need to do.

[moscowp]

Let's ban Kalashnikov assault rifle to complicate the life of terrorists

[maxbaxg61]

Then they will sculpt Kalash from improvised means

[Varangian]

Yes, everything is simple, the special services avenged him for the fact that during the heyday of social services. VKontakte networks sent them to hell and did not cooperate

[Naughty]

In today's world, only Russia and Putin can complicate the tasks of terrorists. V. How strange this does not sound

[OPOEL]

What kind of nonsense, Putin doesn’t really understand the Internet, like the actors in the State Duma, they even slipped him a video from the Apache from the minobr, which he put up for himself about the work of the Russian military in Syria.

[faterdom]

The trouble is that they brought up such Durovs in conditions of impunity and contempt for the law. Specifically, the same Durov - after all, his successful project “in touch” has long remained (and possibly remains) such an extraterritorial platform for the distribution of all that is forbidden: from pornography and counterfeit content to all kinds of extremist and others, including ukronationalist sites. And the scattering of money on Nevsky is a kind of moral and ugly act, in the spirit of the merchants of the first guild, they, however, were drunk to death with drunkenness, and this St. - sober! And the traffic cop on the hood of the Merc Durov rolled-rolled, but he left the responsibility of Vitoge!

[777-3-59-97]

It is well known that the assassination attempt against Alexander II was successful only because Telegram was not blocked in Russia

[moscowp]

Apparently, the last obstacle to the final victory over crime, corruption and terrorism is the Telegram. They will block and heal ... oh!

[Razvedka_Boem]

Smiled some comments ..)
Naive, they think that Durov is such a Durov ..) But what if in fact everything has already been surrendered? And is it just PR, so that various unreliable types remain to sit on Telegram?
By the way, almost everyone uses this messenger, since it is ahead of all other instant messengers in terms of speed of work and work in a poor network.

[just exp]

here the trick is that only foolish people use such programs if they really need a secure correspondence.
in fact, more or less (but not one hundred percent) you can trust only open source programs.

[Clueless]

Quote: Machete

Viber and Vatsap can be traced if desired. Telegrams are not tracked in any way at all. That’s the catch.

What nonsense is this? They use almost the same encryption methods, just Telegram was the first on the market in this topic to position itself as a secure system. This is his chip, remove the chip - and stupidly no one needs it.

As for what they say on television and equate telegrams and Durov himself almost to accomplices of terrorists - this is actually called - stupid zombie of the population. Now it’s a telegram, a law will soon be issued saying that the police are always right (like first you execute ANY decisions, and then you can appeal), etc.

And then everyone is surprised why all sorts of Navalny easily get the support of young people. Yes, because stupid officials have already lifted everyone up, they live in the Stone Age, they want to build a great Chinese wall and lock everyone in the country in order to continue to steal. From year to year we hear the same thing about corruption, etc.

And most importantly, no one does not touch foreign services. And somehow everyone forgot how they squeezed the same VK from Durov.

Gentlemen - there are a lot of paid roofing felts, roofing felts Do you really not understand that we are being turned into North Korea step by step? Do you think young people want such a fate? They are almost directly forcibly pushing them into the arms of the revolution, and you don’t even understand this.

[ImPerts]

Quote: Bad

Telegram was simply the first on the market in this topic to position itself as a secure system. This is his chip, remove the chip - and stupidly no one needs it.

May be I do not know. What does it change?

Quote: Bad

Now it’s a telegram, a law will soon be issued saying that the police are always right (like first you execute ANY decisions, and then you can appeal), etc.

As in all G7 countries.
Or it will be like this:

Or so

Quote: Bad

And then everyone is surprised why all sorts of Navalny easily get the support of youth.

Well yes, get 10.000 Euro ...
Cool!

And the rest is already ...

[faterdom]

Quote: Bad

They are almost nearly forcibly pushed into the arms of the revolution

In the furnace of revolution, usually offended people push foolish people. And the fact that our Moscow-St. Petersburg youth, infected with a kind of snobbery, in fact, has less reason to participate in all kinds of revolutions than the same Petrograd soldiers and sailors who stupidly did not want to trenches to the front, but wanted vodka from warehouses and storehouses , does not negate the fact that they, like any other youth, simply love giant megatusovki, hormones are naughty. And then their millstones of revolutions are sucked in, ground, and, as a rule, few of the first revolutionaries survive the next 5-10 years.
An example - you can watch in Ukraine.

[iwakura]

Durov, of course, is still inadequate. But from the very beginning it was clear that the action was not against the telegram as such. Firstly, it is a system with a public key created anew for each session, i.e. no universal key exists. By the way, public key algorithms have been known to the general public since the age of 70 (and to the military maybe earlier) Secondly, the system with an open protocol and algorithms, the messenger has a full open-source of analogues and client and server parts - turn on the head and analyze. But I do not think that ILVs are so cunning that they thus forced state institutions to return to the Russian Federation. Where they sat there and sit. With the low mobility of support for state institutions, they did not notice that they had something disconnected / disconnected. But commerce got excited by carpet bombing immediately, and the addresses were unlocked. So things are still there. ILV - laugh, their previous action to ban torrents ended in zilch, so they took up a new one. And this dib law on the storage of all subscriber data for a month. Does someone believe in its real execution?

[iwakura]

By the way, I just flew to the SGA, downloaded telegrams and came back