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Rogozin on the supply of rocket engines in the United States: "Let them fly"

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Russia will continue to supply the US with the RD-180 rocket engines, since this does not contradict the national interests. RIA News Statement by Vice President Dmitry Rogozin.



Answering the reporter's question about Western sanctions, he pointed out the pragmatic approach of the Americans in obtaining space technologies from Russia.

We could now, for example, cut off the supply of RD-180 jet engines for American missiles. We discussed this issue, I will not hide, I gathered our experts several times. Thought - why?
Rogozin said in an interview with the agency.

According to him, the refusal to supply rocket engines in the United States would only lead to financial losses for Russia.

We will lose money, let them fly on our engines, especially since they are old ... It is 1994 of the year, we have already created a new engine for a long time, and they all fly on it,
added deputy prime minister.

At the same time, he stressed that the RD-180 is “a reliable, very good rocket engine”.

The agency recalls that at the beginning of May, Pentagon deputy head Bob Wright told Congress that the United States was on schedule to abandon the RD-180 Russian rocket engines.

Earlier, Congress ordered the US Department of Defense to abandon Russian engines for the 2019 year. At the same time, the congressmen do not exclude the extension of this term, if it is not possible to create its own engines.

According to the Director General of the United Rocket and Space Corporation Yuri Vlasov, deliveries may continue until the 2024-2025 year.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 25 June 2017 12: 22
    +19
    Money is everything, principles are nothing. wink
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 25 June 2017 12: 27
      +18
      But what about retaliatory sanctions, or do we have no principles at all?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 25 June 2017 12: 29
        +6
        Belarusians lowered all retaliatory sanctions to zero. As the Spanish olives lay, as the Norwegian salmon lay, as the Polish apples lay in a heap on the market, so everything lies. Only now, under the Bellorus symbolism.
        And all sorts of Hamons were not even forbidden. Despite all the screams, they are sold openly.
      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 25 June 2017 12: 30
        +18
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        But what about retaliatory sanctions, or do we have no principles at all?

        Why not, there is one principle: more money for officials, their children abroad study more they need.
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 25 June 2017 12: 37
          +11
          Why not, there is one principle
          be without principles
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 25 June 2017 13: 28
          +17
          Quote: Pirogov
          Why not, there is one principle: more money for officials, their children abroad study more they need.

          How many "officials' children" are involved in the production of the RD-180? Or who of them makes assemblies for nuclear power plants in the USA? .. Or maybe you personally will finance these enterprises? Pay them salaries, bonuses .. vacations .. Not? Weak? .. BUT chatting on the net is not weak .. yes?
      3. Monos
        Monos 25 June 2017 12: 38
        +29
        Yes, stop it! What do the principles have to do with it? The supply of engines does not harm us. Moreover, while they have the opportunity at a reasonable price to buy our engines, the development of their own expensive will go on the brakes. This is also a plus for us. Do you think in this they are somewhat different from us?
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 25 June 2017 13: 12
          +7
          True, it is usually not pleasant, but in the world of dirty politics and money, moral and ethical values ​​are a relative concept ...
        2. 34 region
          34 region 25 June 2017 14: 16
          +5
          12.38. Monos! And why does the country that first brought a man to the moon buy our engines? Those engines turned out to be too powerful, but ours are what you need? So they are now working on derating their engines !? laughing Why aren't they using their lunar motors! winked
          1. Monos
            Monos 25 June 2017 14: 33
            +7
            Quote: Region 34
            And why does the country that first delivered man to the moon buy our engines?

            I do not know. Probably, with these engines the cost of delivering goods into orbit is optimal (the cost of insurance, preparation, maintenance, launch, the cost of the engine itself ...). A reliable, cheap engine is what you need.
            There are probably other reasons. I don’t know about them.
          2. north
            north 25 June 2017 22: 22
            +5
            Because those engines were not there.
      4. karish
        karish 25 June 2017 12: 55
        +7
        We will lose money, let them fly on our engines, especially that they are old... He is 1994, we have created a new engine a long time ago, and they all fly on it,

        who knows what this new engine is, what is better and what rocket flies on it?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 25 June 2017 13: 05
          +5
          Probably about the engine of the Angara.
          RD-191, but we also sell it in the USA for Antares missiles.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 June 2017 13: 52
          +2
          Quote: karish
          what is it better and what rocket flies on it?

          Shines better, the new one.
          1. tilix
            tilix 25 June 2017 21: 27
            0
            Shines better, the new one.
            Watered?
        3. Titsen
          Titsen 25 June 2017 16: 13
          0
          Quote: karish
          who knows what this new engine is, what is better and what rocket flies on it?


          It seems that he is not in the subject, at all ...
          1. slipped
            slipped 25 June 2017 19: 00
            0
            It looks like you are not in the subject at all)
        4. ssergn
          ssergn 25 June 2017 21: 00
          0
          Quote: karish
          who knows what this new engine is, what is better and what rocket flies on it?


          I’m embarrassed to ask, but still: why do you need this?
      5. Bath
        Bath 25 June 2017 12: 56
        +8
        hike the word Rogozin-trampoline))) the man said - the man took
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 25 June 2017 13: 05
          +6
          Is there something a lot of Ragozin in VO today?
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 25 June 2017 13: 37
            +7
            Quote: Solomon Kane
            Is there something a lot of Ragozin in VO today?

            Yeah, the holiday is practically laughing
            In the evening there will be walks, receptions and fireworks. yes
          2. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 25 June 2017 15: 51
            0
            I will say even more. They say that Comrade Rogozin will visit our plant SZ "More" this week on an official visit.
        2. Dead duck
          Dead duck 25 June 2017 13: 33
          +6
          Quote: Bath
          the man said, the man took

          They already jumped and therefore took it, now he will jump.
      6. The black
        The black 25 June 2017 14: 14
        0
        Unfortunately, all this speaks of our weakness ...
      7. Cataphract
        Cataphract 25 June 2017 14: 21
        0
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        But what about retaliatory sanctions, or do we have no principles at all?

        stop these childish slogans, except for the Americans nobody needs these engines, do not sell them, do not sell to anyone. And even there, a small queue of competitors has formed.
        1. slipped
          slipped 25 June 2017 19: 01
          0
          Then China begs us to sell them these motors)
          1. Cataphract
            Cataphract 26 June 2017 04: 26
            0
            Quote: slipped
            Then China begs us to sell them these motors)

            of course, to sell them 2,5 pieces for cloning, he just begs. yeah
      8. Normal ok
        Normal ok 25 June 2017 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        But what about retaliatory sanctions, or do we have no principles at all?

        There are principles. For example: just a business, nothing personal. What is not the principle.
      9. jonhr
        jonhr 25 June 2017 17: 43
        +1
        but what about the trampoline? laughing
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 25 June 2017 12: 40
      +9
      Yes, where does the principles. We somehow forgot that the Americans in terms of rocket science had overtaken us a long time ago, flew to the moon on a Saturn rocket (13 launches), and our H-1 never took off even once. Then the Space Shuttle rocket 135 launches. Our Energy is only 2 launch. Yes 90 and the collapse of the USSR. It’s not for that that the Americans have vast experience in rocket science and if they really want, with their financial and economic capabilities, they will catch up with us and overtake us. So be realistic selling the engine while you have the opportunity, you just need to let the proceeds to develop new engines. After all, the same RD-180 is in many respects engines from the distant USSR, just from the Energy rocket.
      1. slipped
        slipped 25 June 2017 13: 00
        +13
        Have you somehow forgotten that Saturn flew and where is she now? in the museum there is a disassembled one, about the number of launches you can see from the Soyuz - about 2000 already, let alone their Space Shuttle, which is also in the museum. And the H-1 engines are still in use. And new engines are being developed not so much with money from the sale in the United States, as under the federal program with funds from the budget. At one time, the sales of the RD-180 helped the enterprise well, when the budget money was from a gulkin's tail. Now this is not the main income.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 25 June 2017 13: 06
          0
          H-1 engines, no longer in use, were abandoned by the US after the explosion.
          1. slipped
            slipped 25 June 2017 18: 58
            0
            And what does the USA have to do with it? There was no need to dig there with my own hands and change the name to it. He flies great with us. The extreme rocket on it flew away.
      2. Igor V
        Igor V 25 June 2017 20: 10
        0
        We somehow forgot that the Americans in terms of rocketry overtook us a long time ago, flew to the moon on a Saturn rocket (13 launches) "
        Back then, Hollywood ruled, but now we need real units. laughing
        And who was overtaking whom is a controversial issue, if there were Syromyatnikov's docking nodes on the Shuttles, and also on the ISS, if they could not do electromagnetic shock absorbers, and no one has canceled friction in space yet. I'm not even talking about life support and navigation systems (the ISS is being corrected from the MCC). Even astronauts are allowed to fly only after training in our CTC. smile
    3. Andes123
      Andes123 25 June 2017 12: 50
      +4
      A reasonable decision made after consultation with experts. And not "couch" urapatriots here to comment on something!
    4. Finches
      Finches 25 June 2017 12: 59
      +5
      Apparently, Dmitry Olegovich has some kind of interest of his own ... And this is far from "patriotism" ... laughing
    5. Naughty
      Naughty 25 June 2017 13: 27
      +9
      You can, of course, go for the principle And stop the supply of these engines to the USA For one thing, close the plant in Samara in Russia and a bunch of other subcontractors' productions. Specialists who collect them to send them to the market to trade in bras.
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 25 June 2017 14: 47
        0
        Quote: Vzdrincher
        You can, of course, go for the principle And stop the supply of these engines to the USA For one thing, close the plant in Samara in Russia and a bunch of other subcontractors' productions. Specialists who collect them to send them to the market to trade in bras.

        Wonderful!!!!!! And the fact that in 2 years the specialists will have to trade in bras, how would you comment? Where are our own programs for the development of space, so that the plant in Samara does not close? In rhyme? And this is essential.
      2. Old military officer
        Old military officer 25 June 2017 18: 35
        +1
        That's right, you can go, but do you need to show adherence to principles here? Again dogma in Suslovski. And we have a shortage of engineers and great specialists too.
        Quote: Vzdrincher
        You can, of course, go for the principle And stop the supply of these engines to the USA For one thing, close the plant in Samara in Russia and a bunch of other subcontractors' productions. Specialists who collect them to send them to the market to trade in bras.
    6. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 June 2017 18: 13
      0
      If there was an option that the United States would not be able to fly without an engine, then you are right .... And so, for example, the United States will not sell us a tank, let's say ... well, figs with him.
    7. Maz
      Maz 25 June 2017 19: 43
      +1
      Come to the north and south streams to earn pennies, and the US revolver will work with their papers
    8. dm-itry
      dm-itry 26 June 2017 14: 23
      0
      Think about the principles of your head, Rogozin is absolutely right. If you refuse, we will sell our engines, but the Americans will strain, throw away all their strength, money, and will probably create their own engine sooner or later. It is necessary for us to develop their technologies, the way drug addicts are still able to buy our old engines.
  2. Center
    Center 25 June 2017 12: 25
    0
    Where do they use these engines?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 25 June 2017 12: 27
      +4
      They use Atlas-5 for LV, launch various satellites, mainly military ones.
      January 21, 2017, sent the SPRN satellite
      On March 1, 2017, a reconnaissance satellite was sent.
      On April 18, 2017, a truck was sent to the ISS.
      Almost all civilian orders moved to Falcon-9, with their own Merlin engines.
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 25 June 2017 12: 40
        +6
        Again, vague doubts begin to plague: how did they fly to the moon?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 25 June 2017 12: 42
          +2
          The most powerful launch vehicle currently in operation in the world, the Delta Heavy, flies on their engines.
          1. Vpk72
            Vpk72 25 June 2017 12: 53
            +2
            absurdly expensive and awkward
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 June 2017 13: 07
              +1
              Saturn 5 was even more expensive.
              1. Vpk72
                Vpk72 25 June 2017 14: 17
                +3
                and besides, did not fly in the declared configuration
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 25 June 2017 14: 34
                  +2
                  Who! Didn't fly in the declared configuration?
        2. seal78
          seal78 25 June 2017 13: 01
          +7
          Vague ones? )) In my opinion, it has long been obvious to sane people that mattresses have never been flown to the moon.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 25 June 2017 13: 37
            +6
            Ie a bunch of cosmonauts and designers of the USSR are crazy?
            1. Vpk72
              Vpk72 25 June 2017 14: 19
              +4
              some are corrupt people, and some believe that since the management demands to confirm the scam, it means that it is necessary for the "case".
              The big giraffe knows better.
              1. tilix
                tilix 25 June 2017 21: 32
                0
                Why, in Ukraine they say that Gagarin didn’t fly either, so they
                corrupt people
                galleries?
          2. AID.S
            AID.S 25 June 2017 14: 50
            +3
            Quote: seal78
            In my opinion, sane people have long been obvious

            It is "obvious" that the Sun revolves around the Earth .....
          3. Großer feldherr
            Großer feldherr 25 June 2017 18: 41
            +3
            Quote: seal78
            In my opinion, it has long been obvious to sane people that mattresses have never been flown to the moon.

            The more Gundyai and the charlatans of the Russian Orthodox Church get into people's lives, the more they ruin (intentionally) domestic education, the more "sensible" people like you are .... Coincidence?
            No kidding, not at all funny, now many already believe that rockets do not fly into space either ... Man is not God and cannot overcome the firmament of the heavenly dome.
            Moreover, there have always been such, but every year the number of such unique ones is growing, look how pseudoscientific insanity has become popular on YouTube, as if an epidemic of obscurantism in the country.
            1. AID.S
              AID.S 25 June 2017 21: 18
              0
              Quote: Großer Feldherr
              No kidding, not at all funny, now many already believe that rockets do not fly into space either ...

              You know, our space industry has recently kind of confirmed this. Including with the inclusion of rituals of consecration in the technological processes of launching missiles ...
        3. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 25 June 2017 13: 07
          +5
          "Transformers" helped .....
      2. Center
        Center 25 June 2017 12: 41
        0
        I see, thanks.
      3. slipped
        slipped 25 June 2017 13: 03
        0
        They are also selling RD-181 to Aerojet for Antares.
    2. Banishing liberoids
      Banishing liberoids 25 June 2017 12: 28
      +2
      They fry chickens on them - you can bake hundreds of chickens at once wassat
    3. soroKING
      soroKING 25 June 2017 12: 28
      0
      throw their companions
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 25 June 2017 12: 27
    +6
    Interestingly, in Syria tomorrow the United States will shoot down our plane, will the Yankees also send engines?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 25 June 2017 12: 30
      +12
      We will offer them to buy the S-400. Like the Turks. And if the Pentagon does not have money, we will offer a soft loan
      I even came up with an advertising slogan.
      "They made a mess of Russia ?! Are you afraid of a response ?! Buy the S-400 and the sky will be yours."
      1. pjastolov
        pjastolov 25 June 2017 12: 50
        +7
        I have not tried to work in a marketing company - creative CLASS good
    2. grm
      grm 25 June 2017 12: 31
      +3
      The engines will be accompanied by a Russian statement of concern about the situation.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 25 June 2017 12: 35
        +1
        And in response we will supply them with the wrong size nuts ...
  4. vch
    vch 25 June 2017 12: 27
    +3
    Pancake! Is Rogozin deciding whether to supply engines or not? It has long been necessary in response to the sanctions to stop supplying engines and not only them!
    1. Cataphract
      Cataphract 25 June 2017 14: 24
      0
      the enterprise is busy with business, not sofa politics. Who else needs these engines, tell me?
  5. art030765
    art030765 25 June 2017 12: 31
    +6
    correct healthy pragmatism is beneficial to the country and beneficial to the people. listen to local patriots and idiots, this is the country to lose
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 25 June 2017 12: 45
      +5
      Well, yes, right now, we will prohibit the supply of engines and immediately lose the country. They scared the naked hedgehog .. opoy.
      1. art030765
        art030765 25 June 2017 14: 23
        +1
        from the beginning of work, workers in this sphere will be deprived, then subcontractors will fall in the income of their families, trade in services will fall, etc. it all starts with small but patriotic idiots do not care about it stupidity ambition let everything bend. for you, the reasonable steps of the country are incomprehensible to you show-off deshovye give and then burn everything with fire.
    2. ando_bor
      ando_bor 25 June 2017 12: 53
      +3
      Quote: art030765
      listen to local patriots and idiots, this is the country to lose

      Yes, there are almost half of the hired nurslings - the Internet of the military, as elsewhere on the network.
    3. AID.S
      AID.S 25 June 2017 15: 01
      0
      Quote: art030765
      correct healthy pragmatism is beneficial to the country and beneficial to the people. listen to local patriots and idiots, this is the country to lose

      Don't you think that this "healthy pragmatism" looks more like a sale?
  6. Center
    Center 25 June 2017 12: 42
    +4
    By analogy, it is necessary to ban the sale of gas and oil to Europe.
    1. pjastolov
      pjastolov 25 June 2017 12: 52
      +7
      mattresses are trying to achieve this, they want to transport their own tankers, so this is for the time being to pack mattresses hi
    2. Rom14
      Rom14 25 June 2017 13: 04
      +7
      Do you know that the floor of Russia heats its huts with wood and coal? And in Omsk in winter, half of the city has stoves. Therefore, how the Americans fly and how are the hucksters with gas and oil on the drum.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 25 June 2017 13: 17
        0
        You have rotten city bosses because. Either roads, or huts in winter.
  7. Koteg
    Koteg 25 June 2017 12: 46
    0
    again Rogozin supplies the engines of Noziska Hermania and they will fly to them to call us_It would be better from Spanish jamon refused for lunch and moldy cheese and old French wine ato eats and drinks Stopudova quietly from Vladimir Vladimirovich
  8. Sars
    Sars 25 June 2017 12: 48
    +2
    Our valiant elites are ready to sell everything, and then scatter across Israel and America.
    1. grm
      grm 25 June 2017 13: 01
      +2
      Quote: SarS
      Our valiant elites are ready to sell everything, and then scatter across Israel and America.


    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 25 June 2017 13: 05
      +5
      Sars
      Our valiant elites are ready to sell everything, and then scatter across Israel and America.
      Are you talking about Rogozin? And today is Rogozin's day on the site? laughing Here, 99.9% of the hollow do not beat off what Rogozin actually does in his position. But they consider it necessary to bark in unison with today's trend laughing
      1. grm
        grm 25 June 2017 13: 45
        0
        Quote: Observer2014
        Here the hollow 99.9% do not beat off what Rogozin actually does in his position.


        Look, what his children are doing - it turns out they are just geniuses - at this age they are making such progress. God forbid everyone ... such a dad laughing
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 25 June 2017 13: 51
          +1
          grm
          Look, what his children are doing - it turns out they are just geniuses - at this age they are making such progress. God forbid everyone ... such a dad
          Are they drug addicts, murderers? And you probably want to say that there are rare talented managers. I, yes, I envy. If I had a dad with such connections. I would not be chatting now. And I would not talk to you about all the bullshit. laughing .
          1. grm
            grm 25 June 2017 13: 57
            +4
            Quote: Observer2014
            Are you jealous?


            Rather not surprised that the country is turning into a strange kind of family management. Fathers hold high positions, children are under them, but also high.

            Connections, of course, are connections, but it's wild to put children in positions that require experience and knowledge that is not there at all. This is a blow to the country, to the economy.

            It is sad.
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 25 June 2017 14: 05
              +1
              grm
              Connections, of course, are connections, but it's wild to put children in positions that require experience and knowledge that is not there at all. This is a blow to the country, to the economy.
              It is sad.
              In India, this problem was solved a thousand years ago. The caste system is called. And, trying to kick one official. It's primitive. Just like you, our entire opposition is engaged in stupid things. Instead of real proposals so that this does not happen, they will cling to a particular official and except for laughter and smiles you can do nothing. Want to change something. .Do not make the audience laugh, but specifically offer. Otherwise, it’s not wasting time on you. hi
              1. grm
                grm 25 June 2017 14: 20
                +1
                Quote: Observer2014
                Instead of real proposals, so that this does not happen, they will cling to a specific official and, apart from laughter and smiles, nothing works for you. If you want to change something ... do not make the public laugh, but specifically offer it. Otherwise, you will not be wasting time on you.


                Thanks amused.
                The level of corruption in Russia as in African countries is precisely for this reason.

                What are the real proposals for fighting corruption, if any anti-corruption law goes through those who are corruption.

                Medvedev speaks - you need to fight corruption, Putin speaks - you need to fight corruption. How many years has he been in power? , and corruption, as it was just wild, has remained.
                And people hawala ...
                The military prosecutor speaks and says that 1/5 of the defense budget is being stolen. Medvedev speaks and declares - 1 trillion is stolen on state orders every year.
                They do not give power to anyone, the opposition is nourished, they destroyed everything else and make decisions themselves and fight it for the sake of appearance.
                Therefore, in a country rich in resources and not only in land, but also in intellectual, people live in poverty and with poor medicine.


                The proposal is simple - to change the government or make it clear that the people are not slaves. To do this, the Russians must show that he is (not by violent overthrow of the government, but by going out into the streets and protesting), and not passively all the hawai, when the media hangs noodles about all the problems due to the sanctions, for some reason they simultaneously praise that the sanctions help to restore production, but at the same time prices are growing and life is getting worse, although the sea is simply robbed of money inside the country, and so that you can continue to rob the same amount, housing services, travel and other taxes such as road are increased. Plus, they said that there would be no increase in real pensions in the coming years.

                And then those scared like you, who were inspired that if Putin, then no one - they sit quietly, and some also protect them. Therefore, the country has such a mess and such a wild level of corruption.
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 25 June 2017 14: 22
                  +1
                  grm
                  Thanks amused.
                  The level of corruption in Russia as in African countries is precisely for this reason.
                  Do not lie! I have a state of emergency, I will not even continue to discuss with you.
                  And then such scared as you, who were inspired that if Putin, then no one
                  laughing Study my comments from the very beginning. And I don't need to sniff it out. Stupidity and primitive.
                  1. grm
                    grm 25 June 2017 14: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    . Stupidity and primitive.


                    You just behave this way when you write your lyrics. hi


                    Quote: Observer2014
                    Do not lie! I have a state of emergency, I will not even continue to discuss with you.



                    You're lying, claiming I'm lying.

                    And the level of corruption is stated by Medvedev himself and others. And this is the level of corruption that they admit. That is, the surface of the iceberg.
                    Vasiliev is an excellent example of this.

                    It is enough to look at the list of countries according to the Corruption Perception Index - 134th place, among the countries of Africa and other corrupt countries.
                    1. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 25 June 2017 14: 45
                      +1
                      grm
                      You're lying, claiming I'm lying.
                      Well, you probably know better from Paris! laughingAnd the cleanest city and life around me suits me!
                      1. grm
                        grm 25 June 2017 14: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Well, you probably know better from Paris! And I am satisfied with the cleanest city and life around!


                        I know better from Russia as well - I visit it all the time.
                        Yes, and I'm not from France, but from Israel. The flag is buggy here.

                        I understand that the main thing is that you feel good, and the rest do not care hi
              2. jonhr
                jonhr 25 June 2017 17: 51
                0
                as far as I understand you are offering to legitimize the caste system laughing I haven't heard any other suggestions from you
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 25 June 2017 13: 32
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      Our valiant elites are ready to sell everything, and then scatter across Israel and America.

      Don't confuse the elite and the "shit of the nation" ..
  9. Makarov
    Makarov 25 June 2017 12: 55
    +1
    It would be better if he kept silent ...
  10. polev66
    polev66 25 June 2017 12: 57
    +3
    most of the comments resemble the screams of Svidomo on the principle of "to spite the grandmother, we will freeze his ears"))))
    why did the delivery of engines not please you? burns from this one place chtoli? Or do you want the hard workers who make these salary engines to pay themselves? and sales taxes out of pocket? sofa "patriots" do not see farther than your nose
    1. seal78
      seal78 25 June 2017 13: 03
      0
      Not only the United States has money. Engines can be sold to other countries.
      1. polev66
        polev66 25 June 2017 13: 06
        +3
        Seriously ? to whom exactly? whoever wanted and could have bought it long ago, I think at Roscosmos or whoever sells them there would be happy to expand the market, but so far only the USA has been created for this engine
      2. jonhr
        jonhr 25 June 2017 17: 52
        0
        for example Zimbabwe or as a last resort Nicaragua
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 25 June 2017 17: 59
      0
      And what prevents from developing our own space program and using the same engines to throw into space anything for which money is paid. It is definitely more profitable to sell a whole product than a share. Well, if they didn't know how to make the packets ... otherwise they ruined everything and almost the entire launch market was squandered and you have to stick your tongue in your ass to sell to partners at a cheap price, but they still put pressure on sanctions.
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 25 June 2017 13: 12
    +1
    The longer they fly on ours, the longer they will bring their own (until the ends are visible), and by that time it will be necessary to do a new one already ...
  12. ochakow703
    ochakow703 25 June 2017 13: 25
    +1
    I read the comments, the majority are in favor of "drastic steps", "principles", "retaliatory sanctions" - maybe it would be better to act on the principle - I'll frostbite my ears to harm my mother? Maybe we have a lot of extra money? By the way, not all the money goes to the maintenance of ministerial offspring ...
  13. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 25 June 2017 13: 28
    +1
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    But what about retaliatory sanctions, or do we have no principles at all?

    Why not, for example, our government "on principle" bought a dirty debt securities for 105 billion, isn't this a principle - they gave the Debe in the face, and you stand up to her on the other side! laughing
  14. faterdom
    faterdom 25 June 2017 13: 34
    +1
    We discussed this issue, I will not hide, I have gathered our specialists several times. We thought - why?

    Here it is - the key to everything! Gathered - and THINKED! The Americans, by the way, also thought a lot, imposing sanctions, and the same P-180, after thinking, got out of the sanctions ... But the Europeans were ordered to impose sanctions - and without thinking, they shot themselves in the leg. Now they are in great pain, only the main European shooter (Merkel) does not want to admit that he hit the leg.
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 25 June 2017 17: 54
      0
      the Europeans did not even feel these sanctions. you see how the Poles are still on strike that apples have nowhere to sell
  15. farik68
    farik68 25 June 2017 13: 45
    0
    That's interesting. The Yankees would have stopped flying into space if not for the Russian engines ...?
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 25 June 2017 14: 28
      +5
      That's interesting.It takes 5-7 years to develop and create a working mock-up of the engine. A lot of dough. Plus bench tests, then practical tests. This is another three years. Plus, a bunch of dough. Practical tests of launching into space, certification, a couple more years. Plus, a bunch of dough. Is it not easier to buy a reliable engine from financially stupid Russians for a penny? Not such a lot of dough. So somehow.
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 25 June 2017 18: 22
      0
      Wouldn't it stop. They still have their own engines. Well, yes, initially it might have been cut, and that's not a fact. On Russian engines, they mainly make military launches, as if to demonstrate that the notorious Musk is a private trader. But if necessary, it would be easy to harness it for launches.
      The problem is that Russia itself cannot digest so many engines and the Americans benefit from cheap and reliable units.
  16. Kashchenko
    Kashchenko 25 June 2017 13: 47
    0
    Quote: polev66
    most of the comments resemble the screams of Svidomo on the principle of "to spite the grandmother, we will freeze his ears"))))
    why did the delivery of engines not please you? burns from this one place chtoli? Or do you want the hard workers who make these salary engines to pay themselves? and sales taxes out of pocket? sofa "patriots" do not see farther than your nose

    Yeah .. I wonder what they will be paid when the Americans give up these engines? Especially when these earnings of such an important currency for the country will retire .. Probably it will be like this:
  17. viktor.
    viktor. 25 June 2017 13: 58
    0
    The main thing is that the money from the sale of engines for the country goes and not two or three goons in the pocket yes
  18. Million
    Million 25 June 2017 14: 05
    +2
    So after all, young reformers sold their homeland ... money is not an enemy to anyone.
  19. Million
    Million 25 June 2017 14: 07
    +1
    Apples imported by tractors crushed, they are also sanctioned. Let the dollars crush now, otherwise there is no logic
  20. Cataphract
    Cataphract 25 June 2017 14: 18
    0
    how generous, especially after the emergence of amersky private companies that already have to catch up and overtake laughing
  21. HEATHER
    HEATHER 25 June 2017 14: 20
    +6
    The contract was signed for engine 101. Delivered, if memory serves-62. The work was like -37. The rest were in stock. The contract was signed in what year? For a billion dollars. Ten years have passed. The delivery price is the same. Inflation is not taken into account. Khrunichev is working. at a loss. Thanks to "smart" heads in the Government.
  22. Serhiodjan
    Serhiodjan 25 June 2017 14: 21
    0
    What is the principle? In spite of my mother, will my ears be frostbitten? Are you guys in trouble? Of course, you have to push these moves to them the longer the better !! Better yet, they start selling cars, kettles and vacuum cleaners. Let them take ours until they do theirs
  23. Dietmar
    Dietmar 25 June 2017 14: 24
    +2
    Especially for "URA Patriots": any export means jobs, foreign exchange earnings and taxes to the budget. We will not sell engines, the states will interrupt, we will be doused with slops, exposed to the whole world as unreliable business partners. Russia will be in LOSSES on all sides. Sanctions (counter-sanctions) need to be imposed on imports, for which we pay money, the absence of which will stimulate our producer.
    1. Kashchenko
      Kashchenko 25 June 2017 15: 36
      +1
      Won the Franz sent Russia about the Mistrals and that's okay ... Remained reliable business partners for everyone in the world .. laughing Here, in this matter, everything depends on amers, they will want to add more to declare Russia to someone, they will find a lot of reasons .. PY.SY. The reason for the reaction of the patriots, and the rest of Russians, to such news should be sought in our media space, with improper brainwashing of fellow citizens .. The Kremlin and the media and the Internet controlled by it make a number of tactical mistakes over and over again, which can result in a strategic failure. This is abroad for RT and other successes (but there are other reasons for this) .., but at home everyone is already tired of the delirium and inconsistency that pours from TV screens and monitors ...
  24. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 25 June 2017 14: 25
    +3
    In short, it turned out that the RD-180 is no longer needed.

    Therefore, General Dynamic held a new tender, which was won by two US companies. United Launch Services, which, starting from 2019, will begin to supply the Vulcan BE-4 engine, which will replace the RD-180. And Aerojet Rocketdyne, which will develop the next generation of fundamentally new engines, which in turn will replace the Vulcan BE-4.

    Well, to make it clear what happened, I will mention only one detail - the entire contract with United Launch Services costs 46 million dollars - this is the cost of only five RD-180.

    And the US Congress, in order to insure itself and create a reserve for the transitional period, allowed Energomash to release more 18 units RD-180. The latest RD-180 in history.

    For a better understanding of the issue.
    As soon as I wrote an article about Russian space fakes, I was immediately overwhelmed by the “example” of the US lagging behind Russia in the space sphere. Say, the American missiles fly on the Russian engines RD-180, and without these Russian engines, the American space program will immediately stall. With a bunch of references. So, they say, Americans will not disappear without a scattering mother.

    Following the links sent to me showed that all the information about Russian-American cooperation in the field of RD-180, which is available in Russian, is the worst kind of lie — half-truth. Where separate, completely truthful facts (the production of the engine is fully concentrated in Russia) are intertwined with the concealment of key information and held together by a discreet false lie.

    Let's start with the fact that no "Russian engine RD-180" exists in nature. There is an RD-180 engine created in the framework of Russian-American cooperation, which was developed in Russia by order of the United States, and which is currently being produced by the American company Pratt & Whitney at Russian production facilities. Therefore, the very presentation of the material in the Russian media, which write that "the United States buys engines from Russia" is 100% a thick lie. It's like writing that "Apple buys its iPhones in China" only on the grounds that all of their production is concentrated there.

    However, let me tell you everything in order, because the story there is very interesting.

    At the end of the 50s, several hundred Atlas ballistic missiles were in service with the United States. When the Caribbean crisis hit, the Americans considered that these missiles were not effective enough to withstand the Soviet threat, they were removed from service, but they did not throw them away, they did not dispose of them. According to the concept, which was then adopted in the United States, and which is still in effect, all military ballistic missiles should be able to be used as launch vehicles for launching cargo into orbit.

    Therefore, with the decommissioning of Atlases, the US space agency received about a hundred ready-made space rockets to launch satellites and spacecraft into space. And I will note, - this is very important, - in fact, of free, free rockets, since the Pentagon has already paid for them earlier.

    Atlases were widely used in the first years of space exploration as the main carrier (it was on the Atlas that the first American cosmonaut John Glenn took off), and then - as a “backup” rocket. When, for example, Chelledger exploded, until the elucidation of the causes of the catastrophe, the Shuttle program was suspended, and all space launches were made on the Atalashes.




    Meanwhile, in the 90-ies, it became clear that the Titan missiles, on which all American "medium" launches were made, should be removed from production - the negative consequences of using poisonous aerosin as fuel - were too strong.

    And on conservation were still hundreds of free Atlases. It was decided to equip these Atlases with new, more powerful engines and replace the Titans with them. The American company General Dynamic, in charge of the Atlases, announced in 1995 a tender for the development of a new engine, and the tender unconditionally won the Russian enterprise NPO Energomash, which offered a price several times lower than its competitors.

    The times in Russia were hard, I had to dump. But most importantly, Energomash had a good start. In order to get the engine with the necessary characteristics of the Americans, it was only necessary to “halve” the existing engine from the Energia rocket, to make instead of four cameras only two.

    As a result, Energomash “developed” the necessary engine, which was named RD-180, transferred all rights and all documentation for its production to the Americans, and those, in accordance with the terms of the tender, placed the engine production in Russia at the Energomash factories necessary technological equipment.

    It should be noted that this contract then came back to haunt the Russian military-industrial complex, because when Russia itself needed a "half" engine for the Rus-M and Angara missiles, it turned out that, under the terms of the contract, it could not produce the RD-180 for its own purposes, but must buy it from the American company Pratt & Whitney.

    As a result, Rus-M had to do an “alternative” development, the RD-180В (which was never completed), and the Angara was not put on a “half”, but a “quarter-rate” RD-191 engine.

    Well, as for the American Atlases, the missiles equipped with RD-180 first received the R index (this is not the “Russian engine”, as we write, but just another index, it coincided), and then they were completely upgraded to RD-180 . And got the designation Atlas-5.

    So all American Atlas 5s now have the first stage equipped with the Pratt & Whitney RD-180 engine, which is assembled in Russia.

    Therefore, when Russia came under sanctions, then this production fell under sanctions. At first, it was decided to transfer the production of RD-180 from Russia to the United States.

    But then Elon Musk appeared with his SpaceX company and said: “I can do better and cheaper.” Estimated, it turned out really, much cheaper and it would be better to give the Mask in a row.

    In Russia, of course, they would be glad of such a situation, but in the USA, they are most afraid of monopolization of the market. All relevant regulatory authorities immediately issued a conclusion that the transfer of the SpaceXv contract would lead to the formation of an unacceptable monopoly.

    But as a result of these discussions, it turned out along the way that there is no reason to transfer production of RD-180 to the USA. What was “cheap” in 95 has now become “expensive”.
    RD-180 is a very good engine, but is already very outdated, for its production it will be necessary to revive technologies that have long been abandoned throughout the world. Science and technology do not stand still, and in the United States there are a bunch of companies that can do what is required, much better, much faster and most importantly - already much cheaper than Energomash.

    In short, it turned out that the RD-180 is no longer needed.

    Therefore, General Dynamic held a new tender, which was won by two US companies. United Launch Services, which, starting from 2019, will begin to supply the Vulcan BE-4 engine, which will replace the RD-180. And Aerojet Rocketdyne, which will develop the next generation of fundamentally new engines, which in turn will replace the Vulcan BE-4.

    Well, to make it clear what happened, I will mention only one detail - the entire contract with United Launch Services costs 46 million dollars - this is the cost of only five RD-180.

    And the US Congress, in order to insure itself and create a reserve for the transitional period, allowed Energomash to release more 18 units RD-180. The latest RD-180 in history.

    Here, in fact, what lies behind the headlines of the Russian media, "America cannot do without Russian engines."

    The author of the article is Andrey Shipilov.
    1. slipped
      slipped 25 June 2017 19: 09
      0
      RD-180 is an old engine, RD-181 is a new one) and is also selling well.
    2. libertinia
      libertinia 26 June 2017 02: 14
      0
      You write so well about the contract, can you say something more specifically?
  25. Million
    Million 25 June 2017 14: 50
    +2
    Good that. Stalin did not sell engines for tanks to Hitler. Well, what, the young Soviet state needed currency
    1. Cataphract
      Cataphract 26 June 2017 04: 28
      0
      you are a respected poorly taught history. Thanks to Stalin, Hitler just got tank divisions bypassing the sanctions ...
  26. kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote 25 June 2017 15: 11
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    grm
    You're lying, claiming I'm lying.
    Well, you probably know better from Paris! laughingAnd the cleanest city and life around me suits me!

    Where is such a city in Russia? I'm going there!
  27. mahoney
    mahoney 25 June 2017 15: 13
    0
    What is the problem? The one who pays and calls the tune ...
  28. Zhnec
    Zhnec 25 June 2017 15: 54
    0
    More money. The mother is ready to sell.
  29. brdm
    brdm 25 June 2017 16: 30
    0
    Everything is so, if so))
  30. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 June 2017 16: 41
    +1
    Some, except for the exclamations that ours, they say, have only money on their minds, money and nothing more, can not give birth to anything else. And what, Russia has no national interests? Is it possible to collide what today is unnecessary and in time will lose even its nominal value, especially under the conditions of sanction, there is no aerobatics? Or are engines so in demand that they can be sold to someone else - say, Bangladesh or Morocco?
  31. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 June 2017 17: 17
    +1
    Stop whining! Who will benefit from the fact that Americans stop buying engines from us ?! We?! In what? The fact that our defense industry will receive less money ?! Don't make yourself worse ...
  32. - = ANTRAX = -
    - = ANTRAX = - 25 June 2017 18: 44
    0
    they gave it up every 10 years, but not for long.
  33. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 25 June 2017 18: 45
    +1
    Shame. I would-cover this USA-everything in the world. So-that the USA would have to completely remove all sanctions from Russian Orthodox Russia.
  34. ANDRE - LATVIA
    ANDRE - LATVIA 25 June 2017 18: 58
    0
    We sell the Motherland, the price is negotiable, payment is in hard currency ... Ugh, how disgusting it is!
  35. Naughty
    Naughty 25 June 2017 19: 40
    0
    Quote: AID.S
    And the fact that in 2 years the specialists will have to trade in bras, how would you comment?

    Whence infa what exactly 2 !!! of the year?
    Or are you talking about it
  36. Old26
    Old26 25 June 2017 19: 50
    0
    Quote: seal78
    Not only the United States has money. Engines can be sold to other countries.

    And who needs them, except the United States. the engine was developed according to the American TTZ. In principle, nobody needs them. And we have no right to produce them ourselves.

    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    Shame. I would-cover this USA-everything in the world. So-that the USA would have to completely remove all sanctions from Russian Orthodox Russia.

    And what would you block the United States, in "everything in the world." How much this "everything in the world" is calculated. In the amount of 1, 2 or 5 units of something?
  37. Vladimir Mamkin
    Vladimir Mamkin 25 June 2017 23: 24
    0
    That's the whole US response to sanctions, how can you humiliate yourself? Well, Rogozin understands first of all not to lose the loot, and the rest goes to the lantern like that?
  38. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 25 June 2017 23: 50
    +2
    According to unreasonable cheers, patriots should stop supplying engines to the USA.
    Remember what sanctions in Russia lead to — the growth of their production. Therefore, engine sales:
    1) They bring us income as a HIGH-tech export (the patriots probably think that it’s more patriotic to trade oil)
    2) Slow down the development of American technology (why rush while you can buy)
  39. waitknait
    waitknait 26 June 2017 06: 04
    +1
    I look all rich, ok! Only with the proceeds from sales by the hated American, the workers are paid wages, production and R&D are developing.
    How many stupid patriots have divorced! Sell ​​your foreign cars, change to Lada, why waste time on trifles! This is just what, people ay, can you see beyond your nose ?!
  40. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 26 June 2017 12: 42
    +1
    My opinion. Sell ​​engines. But to increase the price by 3 times. This will be a response to the sanctions. It is impossible to stop the sale, this is the work of tens of thousands of people all over Russia who receive salaries.
  41. Irkutsk layman
    Irkutsk layman 27 June 2017 09: 47
    0
    But what about the hyped Falcon with a reusable condom?