Chinese economy as a mirror of the global crisis

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I. Speak the word about poor China

Recently, much has been written and spoken about China - about its economy, politics, society, technology, technology, armaments, army. Someone, for example, declares that China, which is increasing arms and improving the technological component of its army, is becoming a global adversary of the United States, and someone argues with a report in his hands that the Chinese economy is about to become bogged down with the financial crisis , just the other day, thirty or forty years later, and after China, the very old mother Europe, and the decrepit United States - the very ones that sometimes scare the world with the Chinese military threat, constructed from the J-20 and reworked Soviet "Varyag".

Chinese economy as a mirror of the global crisis


China does not give peace to the world community! Robert Zoellick, the President of the World Bank, recently announced with anxiety about the rapid growth of the Chinese economy (and not just growth, but one that will double the Chinese economy in the next few years), but he immediately added that growth, but the economic model of the Chinese is unstable. Probably, the financier wanted to say: “If you climb high, it will hurt to fall!” However, as is known, it was so painful for those who had such advisers — like the World Bank, the IMF, and other well-known companies — to listen.

The recent words of Zoellick about the achievement by the Chinese economy of a "turning point", as well as about the "unstable" economic model of China, were repeated by the authors of many political and economic News. But, it seems to me, a person talking about the rapid growth of the Chinese economy and immediately repeating about an unstable model is pretty tricky to understand. Zoellick assures that in the coming years, the Chinese economy will grow 2 times and immediately warns of a near “turn” in the Chinese economy. Here are the numbers issued by Zoellick: in the next few years, the economy of the Celestial Empire will increase by about 8% per year, and then, over the course of twenty years, by 6,6% per year. In general, the growth of the Chinese economy in the coming years will be halved. That is, it will grow, but twice as slow.

The growth of the economy in half over several years is not bad at all, even if the growth rate is halved. God bless them, with pace, in our crisis time, there would be growth! .. Judge for yourself: “... for 20 years - by 6,6% per year”! At the same time, the author of such an optimistic forecast, Zoellick, seriously claims that China needs to carry out ... "profound economic reforms." The head of the WB must be afraid that he will not have time to destroy the Chinese economy before he resigns - and the banker plans to leave the case, according to his own statement, 30 June 2012 of the year.

To implement “deep reforms”, China, of course, should apply the traditional Western recipe: reduce the role of the state and make the economy completely market-oriented. The main recommendations of the World Bank are summarized in the report “China-2030: building a modern, harmonious and creative society with high incomes”. For objectivity's sake, it should be noted that this report on creativity and high incomes, submitted to the press of 27 on February 2012, was prepared by the World Bank in collaboration with the government of the PRC.

At a press conference held in Beijing, R. Zoellick said that “the growth pattern of a country that has been so successful in the last thirty years requires changes in order to meet new challenges.” The President of the World Bank believes that the economic model of China, in which the role of the state has significantly increased over the past ten years, has already begun to lose stability. Zoellick warns: you need to immediately initiate reforms, the purpose of which will be to maintain high rates of economic growth over the next twenty years.

It is known that the Chinese are smart and polite people. They agree with the interlocutors with a smile, nod, - but they do it in their own way.

Co-author of the WB report, Liu Shijin, vice president of the Center for Research and Development of the State Council of China, agreed with Robert Zoellick, noting that, without reforms, annual GDP growth in the PRC will slow to 5 or 6% by 2030, from 10 % over the past thirty years.

Before Zoellick, China was frightened by the coming crisis and the famous International Monetary Fund. In the positive scenario of the IMF, in 2012, China will add "weight" of GDP by 8,2%, and negatively - only by 4%. In order to prevent such a terrible Chinese crisis, invented in the offices of the IMF, Fund experts recommended that China quickly transfer state-owned enterprises to private ownership, i.e., if anyone did not understand, privatize. (We Russians know well what it is).

In November, 2011 for the first time in the last three years, industrial production in China decreased (PMI index — production activity level dropped to 49,0%, the minimum mark of three years ago; 50% mark means stagnation, and below 50%, activity growth). Analysts explain this by well-known reasons: the debt crisis in Europe, which reduced the demand for goods from the Middle Kingdom (the IMF just predicts the PRC to reduce GDP growth due to the Eurozone crisis), as well as a reduction in domestic consumption due to a tightening of domestic monetary policy. In addition, 128 million. in China, it lives below the poverty line: with all their desire, these people cannot provide a high level of demand, much less its growth.

However, none of the Western experts and analysts - among other things, giving advice to successful China against the background of the US crisis and recession in Europe - does not find that the PRC has the prerequisites for starting some terrible financial collapse that affects the whole world . Why do the authors of the report so strongly advise the Chinese to carry out "structural reforms" (oh, this is a notorious expression!) And privatize state-owned companies, in the process transforming industry, agriculture and the financial sector and strengthening the commercial sector, weakening the state? Why, I wonder, China, one of the foremost innovators on the planet, is recommended by speakers to increase ... innovations?

From good, as you know, good is not looking. That is, it should be reformed when it is bad, and not when it is good. "Titanic" also wanted to sail quickly ... Therefore, the advice of world financiers is not so much frightening as the hypnotism of the advisers is frightening. No, I am far from the thought that experienced Western experts are deceiving the Chinese by imposing on them some kind of secret strategy: after all, the Chinese economy will pull the world’s economy to the bottom, and the advisers cannot but understand. But it seems to me that these economists are hypnotizing not so much the Chinese as themselves.

Ii. Ahead of the whole planet

Here are the reasons why the PRC economy for the last thirty years has been ahead - so that economists have long been talking about the Chinese economic miracle:



1) For the past few years, the Chinese government has been supporting state-owned enterprises in those sectors that are considered to be the most important in the Middle Kingdom in order to implement an economic security strategy whose main goal is leadership in global competition.

2) The global economic crisis in 2009 for the first time in many years lowered the demand for Chinese exports, but in a matter of months China got rid of the crisis. A GDP growth of ten percent a year isn’t evidence of economic strength? The reason for such a boom during a general recession is the policy of government incentives. The strong role of the state in the economy has allowed China to successfully avoid the direct influence of the global financial crisis: the PRC economy grew in all years without exception. China's GDP increased more than 10 times from 1978 to 2010. At the end of 2010, China became the second largest economy in the world, leaving only the United States ahead! The economy of the PRC almost comes on the heels of the American economy, and by 2020 (according to plans) in terms of aggregate income, GDP will come on the heels of the States. Oh, what a "unstable model"!

3) The Plan of the Twelfth Chinese Five-Year Plan includes a clause on the need to increase domestic consumption - and this suggests that the Chinese not only do not want to have a purely export-dependent economy, but also year after year they plan to seek relief from this dependence. Which, by the way, may not please the Chinese neighbors in the global economy. At the same time, for the sake of objectivity, it should be noted: for two years now - from 2010-th - China has been listed as the largest exporter in the world.

(By the way, the China-2030 report says that Chinese state bureaucrats manage state-owned enterprises ... ineffectively! Such a statement does not require comments.)

So, three whales of the Chinese economy: state-owned enterprises, state stimulation, state planning. Hence, the “no” crisis and the attack on the heels of the United States.

What can state planning in China achieve? A lot of things. First, China has become a nuclear and space power. Secondly, whatever you may say about foreign capital in the PRC, but it is not entirely foreign: 4 / 5 foreign investment is money or fixed assets received from Huaqiao, that is, ethnic Chinese living abroad. All this is controlled, and at the same time stimulated by the state too. Thirdly, the state in the Celestial Empire encourages the import of advanced technologies in the progressive areas: biotechnology, software, telecommunications, medicine, etc. Fourth, China is developing its own education, and at the same time practicing students abroad, for example, Japan or the United States.

China's GDP amounted to 2009 5,0 trillion. dollars, in 2010 g. - 6,3 trillion. dollars, in 2011 g. - 7,5 trillion. Last year, the Chinese state spent 136 billion dollars on R & D, or 21,9% more than in 2010. The proportion of these expenditures in the country's GDP was 1,83%. Moreover, China plans to increase R & D expenditures to 2020% of GDP by 2,5. One hundred thirty research engineering centers of state importance and almost as many engineering laboratories have been built at the time with state funds.

At the same time last year, Chinese universities released 5 to millions of specialists in various fields. The total number of students in China exceeds the number of students in the European Union or the United States. The quantity does not at all speak about the low quality of Chinese higher education. On the contrary, to enter, for example, at Tsinghua University - the best university in China - is much more difficult than at prestigious Harvard.

Therefore, China has achieved high economic results thanks to the significant role of the state in the economy. And even though the growth rates will slow down somewhat now - the economy also needs to rest in order not to overheat, as it often happens in America - but let experts from the World Bank and other fans of liberal economic theories intelligibly explain to everyone and including the Chinese: why from what brought success, we must refuse? And how does the decline in the role of the state suddenly begin to contribute to China’s economic acceleration? After all, in China 128 millions of people (from the poorest peasants) live extremely poor: for a dollar a day, and many people live on a 2 or 3 dollar a day. Remove the state - one of the largest consumers - from the economy means to destroy the economy. So where are the explanations on this? But it seems that liberal theorists do not bother with explanations. I believe it is ridiculous, as Tertullian once wrote.

The Chinese economy may have difficulties associated with slowing growth - due to a strong dependence on the global economy, rising energy prices, the presence of a large number of poor people with low consumption, and environmental disruptions - but China is unlikely to wish them add more artificial problems initiated by Western advisers. Moreover, there are simply no reasons to follow the advice of international financial organizations.

I repeat: they are not looking for good from the good. So why then all the fuss about the "reforms"? But what for! Advisers who have given monotonous advice to China for three decades now (for so long they have to give advice because China smiles and nods, but does not listen to advisers), they say it. The WB report, in addition to other areas of transformation - market, innovation, environmental, social and tax - says, finally, about further increasing China's participation in the global economy - through trade, investment and even the free conversion of the yuan. And here everything falls into place. In the West, they are just afraid ... no, not that the Chinese economy will be covered with a copper basin. And they are afraid that China with its developed state sector, but with a strong bias towards world markets, is indeed partly reoriented towards internal development - at least in order to eliminate the existing bias, to weaken the existing “attachment”. Following this scenario will allow China to reduce its dependence on the world market, including the stock market, and at the same time serve, if not directly, then indirectly, cause a deepening crisis in the United States and Europe. Western advisers probably want to kill two birds with one stone: to arrange so that the Chinese economy will retain a strong dependence on foreign markets and not go into the locomotives of the world economy. That is, it would have remained where it stands, and then it was then that its economic situation would turn out to be truly “stable.” And it will help to keep it recommended “structural reforms”: on privatization, privatization, revising the role of the state in the economy, financial liberalization - and other measures based on the tenets of faith of the World Bank.

That is why, although the Chinese co-author agreed on something in some ways with the World Bank, nevertheless, in the main theses of the report, Beijing and the World Bank are unlikely to converge in practice. It cannot be that an economically successful China - unlike in the crisis Russia of the Yeltsin era - was led by experts who suggested eliminating in the Chinese economy exactly what promoted its prosperity. The Chinese will smile sweetly at world bankers, but they will not privatize their state-owned companies.

Not without reason, the Vice-President of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping recently, a few days before the presentation of the report “China-2030”, said: “The Chinese economy will continue to grow steadily, the so-called“ hard landing ”will not”. Xi Jinping confirmed that Beijing will continue to simultaneously stimulate both domestic consumption and investment abroad.

And the West should be remembered: in the event of a crisis of the Chinese economy, which will inevitably break out, if only Beijing bows down in front of the Almighty before the World Bank, he, the West, will lose his main trading partner. This is for Europe. As for the USA, then the PRC is the main holder of US Treasury bonds. In order to destroy a large US bond pyramid, China only needs to throw these securities onto the market. At once. And then what will happen to America? .. Correctly you think this will be the same. America will depreciate.

Iii. And who are the advisers?

So, Western analysts, personally observing how the Chinese economy is developing and growing, are predicting a slowdown in growth, and even a recession, and even an unprecedented crisis. Such are the strange habits of these most Western analysts, who faithfully believe in the recipes of the World Bank, the IBRD, the IMF and other economic “reenactors” and initiators of the “program reforms” who have destroyed many developing economies with loans, programs and advice.

Do they, who know the true value of their recommendations, give advice to China? Looked at Greece, bogged down in a debt crisis. (I'm not talking about the sad past of Argentina or Russia, whose "brilliant" examples of Western economists, financiers, supporters of total liberalization and ingloriously vanished monetarism, crowned by Nobel laurels, seem to have forgotten). So, - not to advise them to China. After all, whatever one may say, but both Europe and the United States are dependent on the PRC economy. And if anything causes the collapse of the global economy, this will be the implementation by China of Western councils, revealing to the world good intentions on the topic of "how we can equip China."

But, fortunately, the Chinese go their own way, and not the dangerous road of advisers sitting in gilded offices thousands of kilometers from Beijing. We wish China success!
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  1. +8
    2 March 2012 09: 05
    Almost 10% of the population living on less than 900 rubles was not sickly. per month.
    And in all, 80 million people are engaged in high-wage export destinations, and with the development of technology, their number is steadily decreasing, for this they need an increase in domestic demand, since unemployment will otherwise grow from year to year.
  2. +10
    2 March 2012 09: 10
    Well done Chinese! The WB recommends reforms, but we are well aware of what this will lead to - Western control over the Chinese economy. The Chinese only smile and nod and do the right thing. It can be seen that the country lives its own mind.
  3. 443190
    +17
    2 March 2012 09: 19
    There is something to learn from the eastern neighbor ... Some executions of officials are worth something ... As a result, theft of state funds is minimized. and as a result, increasing the efficiency of the entire economy. The main thing in the country is political will.
    1. stavr
      -1
      2 March 2012 09: 34
      Well, why in order to start living right, you need to shoot someone, today you want to shoot an official for corruption, then shoot a doctor for poor treatment, then a motorist for violating traffic rules. and there will be happiness in the country.
      1. black_eagle
        -1
        2 March 2012 23: 44
        It was already such happiness, hmm, we are lovers of overstepping ... therefore it is better not to mess with us)))))
  4. Sokol peruna
    +4
    2 March 2012 09: 35
    In fact, for the Chinese economy, the United States is such a "Sacred Cow" that must be protected and bought in time for US Treasury debt. After all, the worst dream for the Chinese authorities is to wake up and find that the American pyramid has collapsed after all. And after that, where should China do with its export-oriented economic miracle with a GDP growth of 10%? Therefore, China will do everything possible to make the United States prosperous. a prosperous United States is the key to a prosperous China. Yes
    1. +4
      2 March 2012 10: 15
      You are right, China is hostage to the US Federal Press, domestic consumption is minimal, wages are at the 3000-5500 level for most workers. And even for that kind of money, people are ready for anything, because although the unemployment rate is not very high, the number of applicants for a obstinate worker is huge.
      1. Sokol peruna
        +4
        2 March 2012 12: 49
        China is primarily a hostage to its economic system. Take away from China the opportunity to export goods to the United States, and import high-tech technologies from there, and it will collapse. It is impossible to create a viable domestic market in China. To create it, an increase in wages is necessary, and this contradicts the very meaning of the Chinese economy based on free labor. The higher the salary of workers, the more expensive the goods. Therefore, all European experts want to create a domestic market in China, so that Chinese goods become more expensive and it is easier to compete with them on the world market.
    2. jar0512rus
      +2
      2 March 2012 12: 50
      I do not agree! In principle, China no longer needs the United States! At the initial stage of development I agree but not now! China already refuses to pay debt obligations of the EU and America! Certain funds are held in dollars only because hydrocarbons are still being traded for them! Again, just for now! They are already trying to create precedents, for example, Iran is creating an oil exchange with a refusal of settlements from the dollar! By the way, Iraq paid for these attempts in due time! America is already taking its enterprises out of the Middle Kingdom! And he does this because it is not China's Sacred Cow, but the USA is slowly becoming it! Well, about the growth of the economy, I am afraid that the US and the EU, with their crises and unsupported obligations, are only holding back China!
      1. +2
        2 March 2012 15: 10
        And who will buy the products? Their factory workers' incomes are still low compared to the USA and Europe (and thank God, where would cheap electronics come from?). Hourly earnings in southern China are only about 80 cents per hour. In terms of the 40-hour week, which only dream of in China, it will be about 130 dollars per month. Workers from rural provinces usually earn even less by working six or seven days a week.
        Do you think these people will buy electronics and cars?
        1. jar0512rus
          +4
          2 March 2012 15: 32
          The whole world buys Chinese goods! And if earlier their quality was very poor, which partly restrained, now there are high-tech products and quality has been tightened! And America, in any case, will not buy them anywhere! And the next step is the WTO! And the fact that how much they receive and how they live is another question! smile
          1. +2
            2 March 2012 15: 38
            The whole world is buying while the cost is small, with the collapse of the United States they lose more than a third of their exports, and this is the closure of enterprises and rising unemployment.
            Reduction in GDP and other "pleasant" consequences.
            1. jar0512rus
              0
              2 March 2012 16: 15
              I agree! But the whole world is collapsing now because of US problems! Everyone has a decline in economic growth, or a slight increase, and China is progressing, though they predict a slowdown! But then the question arises: Won't the same thing happen to the rest of the world during the collapse of the USA? The dollar will collapse The whole world system of mutual settlements, oil, gas, stock exchanges will collapse! E-my whole world is tied to these green unsecured pieces of paper! And by the way, China does not have much dollar reserves! He uses them mainly to pay for oil! And meanwhile, China is already declaring its refusal to pay US and EU debt obligations! And again, it’s not in vain that the Rockefeller Foundation export gold and gold reserves to China!
              1. 0
                2 March 2012 16: 38
                All these statements about the withdrawal of the Rockefeller funds are just a duck.
                1. jar0512rus
                  0
                  2 March 2012 16: 45
                  Maybe I don’t argue! For what I bought for that and sell! There is a lot of information and it is not always possible to verify it!
    3. AlexExtreme
      +2
      2 March 2012 22: 22
      Somehow you read the article diagonally. It says that China can get rid of export dependence by increasing domestic consumption and then they wanted to spit on the United States.
  5. lars
    +1
    2 March 2012 09: 37
    Quote: 443190
    The main thing in the country is political will

    ... as well as competent public service professionals. There is a joke about this.
    One of the 100 wives of King Lesotho is ill with a sexually transmitted disease - a person is being established; they are looking for;
    One of the 100 advisers to the President of Iran cooperates with the Mossad - the identity is established, they are looking for;
    One of the 100 advisers to the President of the Russian Federation on economics is versed in economics - a person is being established, they are looking.
  6. Sarus
    +3
    2 March 2012 09: 41
    They firmly grasped the United States for its "democracy" ..
    The United States from such a fist probably very, very soon will not jump if of course China does not fall apart as a country ..
  7. Volkhov
    +6
    2 March 2012 12: 53
    The Rothschilds moved to China - the American elite will be drawn to them and to Afghanistan, while the United States, with blacks, Latinos, victims of the MacDonalds, has no future. The world is dynamic, Zionists are mobile.
    1. +6
      2 March 2012 14: 25
      Quote: Volkhov
      The Rothschilds moved to China - the American elite will be drawn to them and to Afghanistan, while the United States, with blacks, Latinos, victims of the MacDonalds, has no future. The world is dynamic, Zionists are mobile.


      With the help of the Rothschild group (authors of G-2), China is rapidly increasing its stock of banking gold: in 2007 + 600 tons; in 2008 + 700 tons, according to the 2010 plan + 1300 tons (while the entire gold reserve of the Russian Federation, and even that is pledged, is only about 400 tons) and by the time the Rothschilds revalued dollar assets into new accounting units tied to gold weight, preparing to become the main beneficiary of the collapse of the paper dollar. Already this year, the "black dragon" of the PRC intends to bypass the United States in terms of the combined power of the economy, culture, army, diplomacy, and intelligence; “Transfer the strategic borders of the country beyond the borders of the national territory”; and become a "world power of the first order."
      First of all, the “restraining” from the Rockefeller group want to disrupt or at least postpone the implementation of these plans. The "Royals" want to win from the wiring of two active players: the PRC with the Rothschilds against the United States with a group of Rockefellers.
  8. jar0512rus
    +3
    2 March 2012 12: 56
    By the way, in what they are right! Historically, China has developed in leaps and bounds! Rapid growth rates are followed by equally sharp falls! And judging by the pace of economic development now and its narrow focus, there will be no less loud crisis! Moreover, the countries of the West, in principle, will not lose from this, rather the opposite!
    1. black_eagle
      +1
      2 March 2012 23: 50
      And it will be so, the story moves in a spiral, smart guys have long thought of everything and are waiting in a position from a low start. China has the opportunity to produce a huge amount of cheap products, but sooner or later, market saturation comes and that's it ... then we know, then enterprises buy up for a penny, bankruptcy proceedings are carried out, and these smart guys increase or decrease output and dictate their terms to the world, and stability in the world comes, so to speak, which is also good on the one hand, but not a lot of them for China)))))
  9. Lustrator
    +8
    2 March 2012 15: 02
    Quote: Volkhov
    The Rothschilds moved to China - the American elite will be drawn to them and to Afghanistan, while the United States, with blacks, Latinos, victims of the MacDonalds, has no future. The world is dynamic, Zionists are mobile.

    How would these Rothschilds move to Russia later. This will be significant. After all, it will soon become difficult for a normal person to live in China - because of the piggy attitude of the Chinese government to the environment (newborn freaks have arrived there recently, haven't they?) In a way, the United States is an intermediate point for China: selling export goods there, the Chinese receive resources for economic development due to the dominant parasitism of the United States on many donor countries. Parasitic symbiosis, like lichen. But, apparently, the Celestial Empire has "its own opinion" on the role in the world arena, and it can very soon be realized through the Chinese Armed Forces (the US and the EU are unlikely to benefit from provoking the dragon, for obvious reasons) Therefore, China has one way - to achieve dominance in the region, to reduce economic dependence on the US-EU while it is still possible. What is the future fate of Russia in the Asian aria of this opera is still not entirely clear to me, since milking its resources is beneficial to everyone around (except for Russia itself, IMHO - there are a lot of internal foolish friends). The geopolitical union of Russia and China is hard to believe in the light of significant cultural, historical, political, and economic differences. And the conflict is quite possible.
    Yours!
    1. Volkhov
      0
      5 March 2012 19: 54
      The Rothschilds are literate, except for accounting they know history, for example, that the Celestial Empire survived 9 Floods, retreating to the Himalayas and returning back. Because they are there, but Russia does not have Tibet, only Putin's dacha in Altai in the Eastern style. If they move to Russia, then not soon.
      We would have to think about our ecology - put extra. unload valves for wells and reactors, otherwise the Rothschilds will not come to us ...
  10. malera
    +2
    2 March 2012 17: 29
    "And the West must remember: in the event of a crisis in the Chinese economy, which will inevitably break out, if only Beijing bows down to the Almighty in front of the World Bank, he, the West, will lose its main trading partner. This concerns Europe. As for the United States, after all, the PRC - the main holder of US Treasury bonds. To destroy the large American bond pyramid, China only needs to throw these securities on the market. All at once. And then what will happen to America? .. Do you rightly think this will be the same. America will devalue. "
    America will be worthless, yes. But survive. China will not survive. Because the basis of Chinese exports are items of simple household appliances and other consumer goods. Nobody needs it in such quantities. And the Chinese will ask for food. A billion hungry Chinese.
    1. +2
      2 March 2012 17: 46
      I think the Chinese will survive. The Chinese are accustomed to living on a 1 dollar a day.
  11. malera
    0
    2 March 2012 18: 45
    Starting January 1 of this year, the minimum wage in Chinese cities reached 1160 yuan ($ 178) per month. Which is about 6 bucks a day.
  12. Shmel
    +1
    2 March 2012 18: 56
    The United States, the EU and China are not interested in each other's economic collapse. The US is more willing to limit Chinese foreign policy. The states need a big child not to jump out of the playpen. Therefore, he longs to deploy troops in the Southeast and Australia. China is growing, it has begun to grow up and it has become crowded. He began to want more and more.
    You can admire the Chinese miracle as much as you like, and it has already been said about it quite a lot. But for us, the dying Russia, these delights are empty ... How do we deal with such China in these conditions? Which China is better for us, well-fed and strong, or hungry and weak? When will the Kosovo scenario be repeated in the Far East, and then in Eastern Siberia (and is it even possible)? I don’t own the whole situation. For myself, I can’t answer these questions yet. However, I think that our paths with China will diverge in the next 10-20 years, simply because we are very different in almost all everyday aspects (similarities on international issues are not in the set).
  13. AlexExtreme
    0
    2 March 2012 22: 13
    Great, thanks.
  14. +2
    2 March 2012 22: 56
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  15. 0
    3 March 2012 05: 00
    Russian and Chinese brothers forever. Stalin and Mao lead us forward. drinks
    1. Tambovskiy Volk
      0
      3 March 2012 05: 13
      Quote: bandabas
      Russian and Chinese brothers forever.

      Yes, the Chinese are the same - the Slavs. And rich brothers have the poor.
      1. -1
        3 March 2012 05: 15
        I remembered the old, old tale ..
  16. +4
    3 March 2012 07: 37
    Do you think the United States is really a "Sacred Cow for China". In my opinion, it is more likely a bull for slaughter. Now the United States is needed, and tomorrow the Chinese themselves will collapse the US papers and take over the world leadership. With all global sales markets. It will be difficult for them at first, but their population is used to difficulties. But in 10 years China will receive the whole world in the form of a buyer of their products and a supplier of resources.
    And Russia, I hope China will support this, since we are a self-sufficient country and, if anything, we don’t need the rest of the world at all, if only they would not come to us. China will not climb - they have enough African resources above the roof.
  17. Nechai
    +3
    3 March 2012 12: 11
    Quote: 443190
    Some executions of officials are worth what.

    This practice is not only in red China, remember Singapore - the prime minister from his inner circle shot 30 bad heads. And there is no need to talk about humanity, philanthropy and distort too. The "victims" were told the rules of the game - society, the state rewards you with dignity, and you, in turn, pledge, and so on. And they did not give a damn about their obligations, but they took "their own money" and steal not weakly. So everything is honest, free from any conventions, the rank made his own choice. Ah, there will be abuse. Most likely, it will be, if the power and judicial structures are dominated by the same shameless entities. You just have to work and listen to people. Not anonymous, but citizens of their society.
    Quote: Sokol Peruna
    And where should China then put on its export-oriented economic miracle with a 10% GDP growth?

    Sokol Peruna, dear! Magadan and not only him answer you. Sudari, take off $ blinders for just a minute. Remember the purpose and purpose of the emergence of money. The main convenience. If $ ceases to fulfill this role, who prevents you from remembering proven for millennia or creating new ways of labor equivalent ?!
    Quote: Magadan
    will receive the whole world in the form of a buyer of their products and supplier of resources.

    I completely agree! In development. The most convenient, fruitful form of interaction for China is with strong state governments. structures. Rough example: for your proposed products (commodities), we are ready to pay (list). Positions and volumes are coordinated. Come on, barter. And both will win. It is clear that it is not equal. The PRC will ensure both the reproduction and re-equipment of fixed assets, and most importantly, it will satisfy domestic demand practically for nothing. Approaching the building of communism in a single country. First of all, the United States and Europe get into trouble, and it is not in vain that they thought of returning production. And the population of the financial and legal environment will remain at a broken trough. They and their hirelings (a good, in vain forgotten word. Twitched, sudariki? From just one pronunciation) more than anyone else begin to swear and howl, that this is not possible. It is clear that their life will collapse. And in the role of a position for "barter" between the state, between the public exchange, the scientific and constructive thought can also act ... Why all of us are jarred by the word barter - because our goals in the 90s were completely different. With a knife, you can not only inflict multiple wounds on your neighbor, but also cut bread, and cut out various crafts. I repeat, with strong and smart government regulation. And the state plan should already work not from the bulldozer and various theoretical models, but from the sum of the real needs and desires of each citizen and enterprises, creative teams. Development of informs. the environment allows it.
  18. -2
    3 March 2012 17: 23
    stavrYou don’t confuse Stavr x ... with a tram handle
  19. ole
    ole
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    3 March 2012 22: 57
    But privatization will continue in our country and the departure from the regulation of the state’s economy is welcome.
    1. AlexExtreme
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      3 March 2012 22: 59
      Only the liberal opposition is welcome, normal people do not.
  20. +1
    3 March 2012 23: 13
    Nechai, wonderful post, catch a plus. In fact, there is nothing wrong with barter! It’s just that Western financiers inspired us so that we would get hooked on their dollars. That's for sure:
    Quote: Nechai
    First of all, the USA and Europe fall into the hole; it was not for nothing that they realized that they would return production. And the population of the financial and legal environment will remain the size of a broken trough.

    You won't last long on bikes, stock exchanges, information wars and ratings from S&P. We must also produce something, and all production has long been in Asia. In the USA, even Levays are no longer produced