News project MiG-35

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In January of this year, the Russian Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation “MiG” held an official presentation of the promising light fighter MiG-35. In the next few months, the necessary tests were carried out, the results of which were used to refine the project. According to recent reports, the development of the existing project continues to this day. On the eve, some new details of the work being done, the plans of the developers and the customer, as well as the prospects of the fighter, became known.

On June 22, Izvestia published a series of new data on the progress of the MiG-35 project, received from unnamed representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the United Aircraft Corporation. In addition, in recent days, representatives aviation The industry made a number of important statements. All new messages can significantly increase the amount of known data on the promising MiG-35 project. It is reported that at the moment, not only the development of the project continues, but also the coordination of its various details.




MiG-35 at the official presentation


According to Izvestia, currently the Ministry of Defense and the KLA are engaged in determining the exact appearance of a promising fighter. Requirements for the aircraft are formed taking into account the needs and wishes of aerospace forces, which in the future will have to operate such equipment. Work on the formation of the image is already in the negotiation stage. At the same time, some features of the future aircraft are precisely defined. So, it is known that within the framework of the new project, the developer organization will have to noticeably refine the power plant and the complex of on-board radio-electronic equipment.

An unnamed military official told the press about plans for using the new power plant. The upgraded MiG-35 aircraft will have to receive means of deflecting the thrust vector, increasing its maneuverability. At the same time, it will be equipped with a turbojet engine of the existing type - RD-33MK. The task of thrust vector control will be solved not by an appropriate engine design, but with the help of a special nozzle device.

At the moment, the future prototypes of the MiG-35 for VKS are equipped with RD-33MK engines in the basic configuration and do not have thrust vector control capability. Nevertheless, the project initially envisaged the possibility of supplementing the engines with a special nozzle with a controlled nozzle. This version of the power plant has already been tested in practice as part of the relatively old MiG-29OVT project. The engine-nozzle architecture offers certain advantages over engines originally assembled with a deflectable nozzle, such as the AL-31FP,

There is also information about the desire of the Ministry of Defense to equip promising fighters with a new radar "Zhuk-A", which has in its composition an active phased antenna array. This product is a modified version of the older station "Zhuk-MA" and is intended for installation on light-duty combat aircraft, because of which it differs in reduced dimensions. A few years ago, the export version of the radar called "Beetle-AE" entered into mass production. In addition, such equipment has already been used in the onboard equipment of previous versions of MiG-35 fighters.

Recall, the name of the promising aircraft “MiG-35” appeared quite a long time ago and for many years was used to designate various options for the deep modernization of the MiG-29 fighter. Several aviation projects have been created, with marked differences from each other, which can lead to confusion. In the context of messages received in recent months, we are talking about a new version of the MiG-35 aircraft, intended for mass production and supply to the aerospace forces of Russia.


Experienced MiG-35, built on one of the previous projects


The completion of the design of such a machine was announced in mid-autumn last year. At the end of January 2017, an official presentation of a promising fighter took place, and flight tests were also launched. As it has now become known, the currently tested aircraft do not fully meet all the existing requirements and wishes of the customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense. As a result, aircraft manufacturers and the military continue to discuss the technical appearance of the aircraft planned for mass production and operation in the military.

Despite the recent appearance of the project and the beginning of tests, the main features of promising fighters have already been announced. In addition, in recent days, the previously available information has been supplemented by new information on plans to improve the power plant and on-board electronics. According to known data, the main goal of the MiG-35 project is a deep modernization of the existing MiG-29 family with an increase in basic technical, combat and operational characteristics.

The growth of combat qualities should be ensured by the use of a new radar with AFU "Zhuk-A". In addition, the proposed use of optical-location stations in the built-in and suspended version. Provides for the use of modern aim-navigation system, which includes a set of various equipment, including the helmet target designation system. By increasing the technical characteristics should increase the combat load. The modernization potential will be provided by the open architecture of the onboard radio-electronic equipment. The structure of the onboard equipment was proposed to introduce a defense complex, equipped with the necessary detection systems, means of emitting false thermal targets and electronic warfare equipment.

Earlier it was reported about the possibility of using RD-33MK turbojet engines equipped with additional thrust vector control devices. According to the latest news, the military approved this proposal. Also, engines must interface with the new electronic control system. Among other things, all these innovations should lead to a certain increase in the resource of equipment and reduce the cost of maintenance.

The new MiG-35 should be less sophisticated. It was planned to use anticorrosion protection, similar to those used on deck fighters, as well as some other solutions. According to the results of such innovations, the resource of both individual units and the entire aircraft as a whole was to grow. It was argued that the cost of flight hours can be reduced in 2-2,5 times.


Pre-production sample engaged in current testing


Last year, RSK MiG built two prototypes of the MiG-35 fighter, designated as pre-production vehicles. According to early plans, the tests of this technique should have begun in the summer of 2016, but they were later transferred. According to some reports, the first flight took place at the end of November. Later, the UAC leadership said that the flight tests of the pre-production MiG-35 began only at the end of January 2017. At the same time, an official presentation of the technology took place.

In preparation for flight testing of pre-production technology, the leaders of aircraft manufacturing enterprises refined their plans. So, in June 2016, the head of the military aviation department of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, Vladimir Mikhailov, said that in 2017, short-term inspections of the new technology will take place, and already in 2018, the armed forces will receive the first mass-produced vehicles. It was possible to reduce and accelerate the test program due to earlier checks of the equipment of similar configuration. At that time, the volume of deliveries of serial equipment has not yet been determined, but was estimated at 35-37 machines.

The main task of the KLA and RAC MiG is currently to bring the existing MiG-35 project in line with the updated requirements of aerospace forces. Nevertheless, aircraft manufacturers do not intend to limit themselves to deliveries to a domestic customer, and are ready to offer similar machines to the armed forces of foreign countries. The last time the theme of export shipments of the MiG-35 was raised on June 19 during the international aerospace show Le Bourget 2017.

It should be recalled that previous projects under the designation MiG-35 have already been introduced to the international market. For example, at the end of the last decade, another version of such a fighter was presented at the MMRCA Indian competition, known for its many different kinds of problems. However, the Russian industry failed to receive an order: the MiG-35 dropped out of the competition in the 2011 year, at one of its early stages.

On Monday, the Deputy General Director of RSK MiG, Viktor Chernov, said that the fighter of the latest model will have very good prospects. The software company is looking to the markets of South and Southeast Asia, Latin America and Africa. However, while new customers have not been found and there are no supply contracts.

The issue of export deliveries of the MiG-35 was also commented on by the general director of Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheev. According to him, the newest domestic multifunctional fighter is a competitive export product, but still needs certain improvements. Now, according to the head of the organization, it is necessary to bring the car to the certification appearance. For such work will take about a year or two.

To increase the export potential in the new project it is proposed to apply new approaches to operation. It is supposed to abandon the traditional purpose of the resource structure in the form of a certain number of flight hours. Instead, the readiness of the equipment for operation should be determined in accordance with its current state. The possibility of operating the aircraft in its current state should interest potential customers in the person of third countries.


MiG-35 in flight


Reportedly, a promising fighter is of great interest to foreign customers. During the ongoing Le Bourget Air Show, Ilya Tarasenko, Director General of RAC MiG, told the French La Tribune about the current status of export contracts. According to him, new buyers literally line up at the door. Interest in Russian aviation technology, among other things, is associated with its successful use during operations in Syria. In addition, foreign buyers are planned to attract economic benefits. Operation of the MiG-35 will be about a quarter cheaper than using foreign aircraft of a similar class.

Receiving orders from foreign armed forces is of great interest for RSK MiG and UAC, but the main task of the MiG-35 project is currently creating a machine that fully meets the requirements of the aerospace forces of Russia. At the moment, the customer and the developer are busy agreeing on the updated look of the multifunctional fighter, and have already achieved some success in this matter. At the same time, a fundamental decision was made on the purchase of serial equipment after the completion of all the necessary development and testing.

Nevertheless, while there is only a fundamental solution. The contract for the construction and supply of aircraft will be signed only after the completion of all necessary work. In May, Sergey Korotkov, Vice-President for Innovations of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, who previously headed the RAC "MiG", noted that the industry should work in compliance with the established procedure. It is necessary to conduct state tests, and only after receiving the act of conducting them will be made the final decision on the purchase of equipment. The future contract will be included in the new State Program on Arms, the implementation of which will begin in the next 2018 year.

Also in May of this year, the command of the aerospace forces revealed plans for the future supply of MiG-35 aircraft. Commander-in-Chief of the VKS Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev said that in the future, the entire existing fleet of light fighters of various modifications will be replaced by new MiG-35. Such aircraft will be able to solve various combat tasks associated with the destruction of air and ground targets. With such capabilities, a multi-role fighter will be able to take part in various armed conflicts, including local ones, like the current war in Syria. In the future, it is possible to create new weapons, including laser ones. However, the details of such plans of the commander-in-chief did not reveal.

Currently, the aerospace forces of Russia have a fairly large fleet of light fighters of the MiG-29 family. This technique does not fully meet the requirements of the time, but the armed forces still need it. To replace obsolete machines, a new project is being created. Due to a number of modifications of the airframe, the use of a new power plant and a radical upgrade of the avionics complex, a significant increase in the basic technical, combat and operational characteristics was obtained. According to existing plans, before the end of this year, the pre-production MiG-35 aircraft will pass all the necessary tests, after which equipment of this type will be subject to a contract for mass production. The number of vehicles required by aerospace forces has not yet been specified. However, even without such data, it is clear that the supply of promising fighters will markedly increase the combat capability of domestic military aircraft.


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  1. +5
    23 June 2017 06: 26
    With all due respect, Cyril, even so much text is already too much for you.
    What is happening with RSK Mig, why their plane has not yet appeared, but is already outdated and needs modernization ?!
    1. +4
      23 June 2017 07: 07
      Quote: Großer Feldherr
      What is happening with RSK Mig, why their plane has not yet appeared, but is already outdated and needs modernization ?!


      Just sawing the money together with MO ..
    2. +3
      23 June 2017 16: 24
      Quote: Großer Feldherr
      What is happening with RSK Mig, why their plane has not yet appeared, but is already outdated and needs modernization ?!

      I can’t understand - as far back as 5 years ago, the Russian media claimed that the plane was ready for 100% and wasn’t released just because of the lack of orders, and now they say that they are just finishing development. Why is that? request
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. 0
          24 June 2017 23: 10
          Quote: mahoney
          do not need regional power heaps of aircraft ....

          Turks drank their F-16?
      2. +8
        23 June 2017 17: 49
        Quote: And Us Rat
        I can’t understand - even 5 years ago, the Russian media claimed that the plane was 100% ready and not available just because of the lack of orders

        Excuse me, where did you dig this nonsense from? :) 5 years ago it was 2012, when the MiG-35 lost in the Indian tender. Moreover, the main reason for the loss was just indicated the technical unavailability of the aircraft, i.e. the fact that not a plane was presented to the competition, but a prototype that required refinement for several years, while the Indians wanted to get the planes urgently and preferred to buy a plane already launched in series.
        This, of course, now sounds ridiculous after so many years negotiating the terms of delivery of Rafaley .... But the fact is that absolutely everyone knew that in 2012 the MiG-35 was not ready, and now, I’m sorry, we are malicious misinform
        1. +2
          23 June 2017 18: 19
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          and now, I’m sorry, we misinform us

          Well, I'm not on purpose. feel
          Apparently it was my impression (according to the yellow press and cheers on the VO) that the plane was ready for a long time - pay and use it. what
          And AFAR N010 "Beetle" is ready for him or not? request
          1. +2
            23 June 2017 18: 29
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Well, I'm not on purpose.

            Yes, it happens, who never made a mistake, let the first throw a stone at me ...
            Quote: And Us Rat
            And AFAR N010 "Beetle" is ready for him or not?

            But this, in fact, is the most interesting and burning question :))) Since if information on the AFAR for PAK FA is the most encouraging, then on the "Beetle" ....
            In general, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t want to lie. If you can dig up something on this topic - I will be very grateful
            1. +1
              23 June 2017 18: 52
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              In general, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t want to lie. If you can dig up something on this topic - I will be very grateful

              There is a lot of information on promotion, on new modifications, that is, completely ready-made and functioning prototypes
              there is, here the question is as if clear. The question is rather about readiness for serial production (including production facilities).

              Beetle-a

              Beetle-AE / FGA-35
              1. +3
                23 June 2017 23: 11
                A new wing for the MiG-35 is not yet visible.
                Three years ago, the Phasatron was installed on two MiG-29 radar "Beetle". Upgraded engines also demonstrated. There was no money to fine-tune the MiG-35 - I see no other conclusion. Maybe now, finally, "the hands will finish." hi
                1. +1
                  24 June 2017 00: 03
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Three years ago, the Phazatron installed on two MiG-29 radar "Beetle"

                  There are almost a dozen modifications of the Beetle, the question is, which one? request
                  Quote: Kasym
                  A new wing for the MiG-35 is not yet visible.

                  And what happened to him? What does the prototype fly on?
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Upgraded engines also demonstrated.

                  And those that now stand with OVT, are they really old?
                  hi
                  1. +2
                    24 June 2017 00: 39
                    The fact of the matter is that I don’t remember which particular modification of the Beetle. But the article was in.
                    Pros on the site wrote that there should be five suspension points on each wing. The mass of the original MiG-29 is increased, and in order not to lose in lift and maneuverability, the wing area should be increased (there somewhere around 4 m * 2 in total). They claim that the mass of the MiG-35 will be lower than the latest modifications of the MiG-29 - it can be assumed that a composite is used. Maybe the wing will be from it (this is just my guess). Prototypes, on the other hand, fly with the old wing - apparently a lot of groundwork remained in the Soviet era.
                    OBT, as the VAF wrote, is only for a surcharge.
                    So it turns out that everything seems to be there for the MiG-35 (except for the wing), even engines with OVT. There is confidence that the equipment of the MiG-29K in Syria was at the level of the MiG-35. But there is no plane - obviously they did not give money for it. hi
                    The first MiG-35s will be with an old wing.
                    1. +2
                      28 June 2017 17: 21
                      Quote: Kasym
                      The first MiG-35s will be with an old wing.

                      with the old wing, with the old radar, with the old avionics. Why was the name of the plane changed then?
                      1. +1
                        28 June 2017 22: 21
                        Modified engine (optional OVT). The resource was only 500 hours (one of the "weak" sides of the MiG-29) - now several thousand. Power has increased. The range increased to 700 km from 500 (another of the weaknesses).
                        Avionics and radar. On the Syrian, decked MiG-29K was a new avionics. Was there a new Beetle radar there? After all, the MiG-29 began to be designed in the late 60s - avionics are already very outdated, although for its time it had its own advantages (another weakness for the current state of affairs).
                        Well, the resource of the design itself. The MiG-29e, released in Soviet times, is already on the verge. The new car has them enlarged.
                        It turns out that in the MiG-35th all the weaknesses of the MiG-29 are "eliminated." hi
      3. 0
        24 June 2017 22: 21
        Because the KLA took up this matter
  2. +2
    23 June 2017 08: 40
    The first photo was especially struck! Keep it up! At the level of the best car presentations! We also need to add pretty girls, and the opportunity to conduct a test drive! Explicitly cooked by a man who understands well in cars!
    Compared to this, the MIG-15 presentation in Korea just doesn't look ...
  3. +9
    23 June 2017 08: 42
    Currently, the aerospace forces of Russia have a fairly large fleet of light fighters of the MiG-29 family. This equipment no longer fully meets the requirements of the time, but the armed forces still need it.


    The Soviet MiG-29 remained only in Armenia, for a long time everyone who knows at least a little bit of aviation has been aware of this. Everything else that flies either will be dismantled for spare parts, or sold, and also, possibly, in the form of spare parts, or quietly end its days where obsolete aircraft finish them, at the trash storage bases from the mob. 10 queue reserve.

    Comrade Ryabov, maybe stop telling us how the MiG-35 sucked in India? It’s absolutely uninteresting for us, it’s no longer interesting to anyone, since then the aircraft could have been redesigned 3-4 times. Maybe enough to carry nonsense about laser weapons that will not appear in the next 50 years for sure, just in terms of energy?

    And the promises on 35-37 machines are no longer interesting to anyone of the 2 year, at least, firstly, for the sake of such a party, obviously, the sheepskin is not worth the candle, secondly, it is just promises, and it doesn't smell like marriage.

    For me, either a squadron contract for 8-10 needs to be concluded, and let the plant work, there will not even be export without it, either close the project, and together with it and the MiG RSK completely liquidate it, or transfer it to some drones.
    1. +4
      23 June 2017 09: 52
      The point is in export deliveries .... and for this the Moscow Region purchases it symbolically - if the Moscow Region has purchased it means the equipment is reliable and improved and it makes sense to buy + cost indicators and reduced costs.
      A light and cheap plane would be more suitable for export, but there is no one to do it ... all the designers are retired ... so all international orders for light and affordable equipment go to China .... and we don’t know how to make cheap equipment ... factories are all private and everyone needs extra profits ...
      It is necessary to create a state. factories or to nationalize for the production and modernization of ALL military equipment and weapons, all these private desks do the kind of equipment that they (the manufacturer) need and not the army ....
      1. +5
        23 June 2017 10: 44
        Quote: seos
        Sense of Export Supplies

        Under current conditions, there is no particular sense in export deliveries. Because we will arm someone else, and not ourselves.
        Quote: seos
        and for this, the Moscow Region purchases it symbolically - if the Moscow Region has purchased it means the equipment is reliable and refined and it makes sense to buy + cost indicators and reduced costs.

        In fact, the same Indians bought the Su-MKI, a practically non-existent aircraft. MiG-29K, too, perfectly bought, and ours took it afterwards. MiG-29M2 - Egypt also bought without regard to our MO.
        Quote: seos
        so that all international orders for light and affordable equipment go to China.

        Are you seriously? Well, Pakistan buys the Chinese half of the MiG-29, and is that the market you should fight for?
        Quote: seos
        all these private desks do the kind of equipment that they (the manufacturer) need and not the army ....

        The dream of all our pilots is the Chinese FS-1?))))))))) Would you go to such a battle?))))))) Against the same MiG-35?))))))))
      2. +3
        23 June 2017 10: 46
        Quote: seos
        It is necessary to create a state. factories or to nationalize for the production and modernization of ALL military equipment and weapons, all these private desks do the kind of equipment that they (the manufacturer) need and not the army ....

        The state military-industrial complex is doing exactly the same thing - not what the armed forces requested, but what it can do. At the same time, actively using the administrative resource.
        Take what is - there will be no other. You just sign the act - and then we will bring everything to mind.
        No need to idealize the state of the military-industrial complex. He can scroll through such things as, for example, mass production and the delivery to the armed forces of equipment not accepted for service. Or parallel production and supply of duplicating weapons systems of various design bureaus and factories. Or the supply of weapons systems that are obviously not in accordance with the requirements of the Customer - "the subcontractors failed, we didn’t put in new equipment - so we screwed on the radars from the old model, and we didn’t put the heat finder at all".
      3. +4
        23 June 2017 13: 02
        Of course, I wildly apologize, but you cannot make money on someone who does not have it. Therefore, instead of writing nonsense, we would have taken and got acquainted with the export of all kinds of crap like FC-1 or "flu", maybe then it will come out that practically no one is buying them.

        MiG-35 is just in that class, which is used mainly in the world by those who can pay.

        The military-industrial complex and so the state. We have almost everything state in fact. Learn the materiel already. Well, of course, state. factories should operate at a loss. This Soviet bus depot in the city could operate at a loss, because it was calculated that way, and it subsidized, and the Design Bureau, as it were, manages its own money, it can also carry out initiative developments.
      4. +3
        23 June 2017 20: 36
        Then I came to the opinion that if yes, then today's operators would buy the MIG-35. Nonsense! Those states from the list of operators that have money are switching to American or European equipment, including the very good JAS-39 Gripen (both the older type and the new one, understandably). And the Swedes give such conditions of purchase or “give for use for a certain payment” + offers of joint production, that whoever refuses can not think. Of course there is some lobbying. Not without it.
        There are other states that can take the MIG-35, but with the condition: "Russia gives us money to buy the MIGs, then we sign a contract, we take planes, but we don’t return the money." Precedents have already been and not only in Venezuela.
        And put aside slogans like "Viva La Che!"
      5. 0
        24 June 2017 16: 50
        Quote: seos
        to complete nationalization for the production and modernization of ALL military equipment and weapons, all these private desks make the equipment they need

        In fact, the MiG and Sukhoi belong to the state (at least thanks to the rule of the "golden share" or through a controlling stake).
    2. +1
      23 June 2017 10: 37
      Quote: EvilLion
      And the promises on 35-37 machines are no longer interesting to anyone of the 2 year, at least, firstly, for the sake of such a party, obviously, the sheepskin is not worth the candle, secondly, it is just promises, and it doesn't smell like marriage.

      With the current pace of procurement, and 35-37 machines are very much nothing.
      Quote: EvilLion
      firstly, for the sake of such a party, obviously

      Stock pocket does not pull.
      Quote: EvilLion
      For me, either the squadron contract for 8-10 must be concluded,

      There is no doubt that you SEE)))))
      Quote: EvilLion
      without this, there’s even no export,

      Exports are just there. Indian contracts, now Egyptian.
      Quote: EvilLion
      either close the project, and with it the RSK MiG finally liquidate

      Are you apparently from effective managers?
      Quote: EvilLion
      Or transfer to some drones.

      I think without you to figure out what to release.
      1. 0
        23 June 2017 13: 18
        With the current pace of procurement, and 35-37 machines are very much nothing.


        Well, of course, for the sake of this, production should be deployed, there should be nothing special to prepare for them; Then it’s better to do one more site for the Su-35.

        Are you apparently from effective managers?


        Do you essentially have any objections? The MiG design bureau is doing nothing more, what is the point of its existence? Give it to Sukhoi, and when it will be necessary to do something on a competitive basis, 2-3 groups are created even in one structure.

        There is no doubt that you SEE))


        Yes, I know better whether the aircraft will either be made or not, now it only eats financing and, unlike the PAK FA, for which the future, the MiG-35 offers nothing interesting except the possible cheapness. All this was interesting for the year in the 2010, when the production of Su-35 was just unfolding, and now the quantitative issue is being successfully solved with the help of Su-30СМ and on the approach of PAK FA. And the contract for Su-34 is close to completion, after which even with the increase in the series of machines to 180, production facilities are freed up in Novosib, which MiG-35 is unlikely to go to.
        1. +2
          23 June 2017 14: 37
          Quote: EvilLion
          Well, of course, for the sake of this, production should be deployed, there should be nothing special to prepare for them; Then it’s better to do one more site for the Su-35.

          Production has long been deployed. The capacities used are the same as in the production of the MiG-29k. So do not smack nonsense. That's just how to rebuild the plant under Su-35, this is truly stupid.
          Quote: EvilLion
          Do you essentially have any objections?

          Wagon and small trolley.
          Quote: EvilLion
          The MiG design bureau is doing nothing more, what is the point of its existence?

          Here you are for example fired for a while. The meaning in your existence? Maybe you go to the crematorium right away? In addition, MiG fulfills a contract for Egypt. And on the horizon, another contract for shipbuilding in India, and there maybe ours will decide a new aircraft carrier to build or increase the number of carrier-based aircraft. In addition, MiG is now working with the UAE on the fifth generation fighter. Note, not at the expense of our MO, but with the money of the Arabs. Our Defense Ministry behave in this regard as the last Jews. By the way, the MiG-35 is also brought in with Egyptian money. And India requested data on the Egyptian sides. And here you, with a saber on a horse, close everything, it is not pleasant to me, not echfective.
          Quote: EvilLion
          Yes, I know better, either the aircraft will be made or not, now it only eats financing, and unlike the PAK FA, for which the future

          Whose funding is he eating? Egyptian? Do not write what you do not understand. Siluanov still in 2014 nevermind showed the MiG-35mk, not financing. PAK FA? They’ve been sawing it for ten years, they can’t finish it. That's really who eats financing ...
          Quote: EvilLion
          All this was interesting for the year in the 2010, when the production of Su-35 was just unfolding, and now the quantitative issue is being successfully solved with the help of Su-30СМ and on the approach of PAK FA.

          That is, you are in favor of chasing heavy fighters for the 150-300 km? You are our economical. For Russia, the Su-30 SM will not be able to resolve the quantitative issue. We didn’t have a normal IS, after the decommissioning of the MiG-27 and Su-17, we still didn’t. This is the niche and should fill the MiG-35.
          Quote: EvilLion
          Novosib frees up production capacities to which MiG-35 is unlikely to go.

          Well, on the Novosib MiG-35 and did not apply. There, as the Dry riveted, they will rivet. Note that we don’t even have unification in the Su-30 fleet, Novosib is riveting its own, Komsomolsk is its own, and here you are talking about changing the class of aircraft.
          1. 0
            24 June 2017 00: 10
            Production has long been deployed. The capacities used are the same as in the production of the MiG-29k. So do not smack nonsense.


            Only planes are not visible, besides the SMT from the 90s.

            Here you are for example fired for a while. The meaning in your existence? Maybe you go to the crematorium right away? In addition, MiG fulfills a contract for Egypt. And on the horizon, another contract for shipbuilding in India, and there maybe ours will decide a new aircraft carrier to build or increase the number of carrier-based aircraft. In addition, MiG is now working with the UAE on the fifth generation fighter. Note, not at the expense of our MO, but with the money of the Arabs. Our Defense Ministry behave in this regard as the last Jews. By the way, the MiG-35 is also brought in with Egyptian money.


            Let's immediately establish the simple facts that the UAE is not able to either make a fighter or buy a lot of fighters, and there is no technical ability to fulfill the requirements that are usually imposed on the 5 generation within an MiG-29-sized aircraft.

            You can decide at home to move the bedside table, and build an aircraft carrier, I don’t know why, but even if you try, the project is not for a year, and not for 5 years, or even for 10. Have a contract with Egypt? OK, but what's next? And again, where are the promised Beetles-A? On endless trials.

            Whose funding is he eating? Egyptian? Do not write what you do not understand. Siluanov still in 2014 nevermind showed the MiG-35mk, not financing. PAK FA? They’ve been sawing it for ten years, they can’t finish it. That's really who eats financing ...


            But let's not write lies. The F-22 had 8 years from the first flight to the series, the allegedly simple MiG-29 in the USSR with its endless funding for 5 years. Su-35 was launched as an offer for the Chinese in the 2005 year, made its first flight in 2008, a contract in 2009, and deliveries began in 2011. Test completion in 2015. They cost only 2 flight prototypes (3-th board number 904 was lost in the 2009-th for an idiotic reason). T. about. from the first flight of Su-35 10 years have not passed yet, but he already managed to fight. Normal for deep modernization of a well-developed machine. The MiG-35 pathetically tendered in India in those same years. As a result, I flew out of the tender, and our MO did not work. 10 Years passed, no plane. The radar, I repeat, is not ready so far. Why the hell is it even needed when there is a spent Su-30СМ?

            At the same time, prototypes and tests, like the work of developers, also cost money. Although no strategic importance, unlike PAK FA, MiG-29 derivatives do not have. The feasibility of their existence is determined only by how much they can save without reducing combat readiness.

            That is, you are in favor of chasing heavy fighters for the 150-300 km? You are our economical. For Russia, the Su-30 SM will not be able to resolve the quantitative issue. We didn’t have a normal IS, after the decommissioning of the MiG-27 and Su-17, we still didn’t. This is the niche and should fill the MiG-35.


            And it didn’t occur to you that driving a Su-150 squadron in a low-intensity conflict on 300-34 km can be much cheaper than developing a special aircraft? The development price is also not a zero value. Yes, and the Su-25, in principle, is, why not expand its functionality if hunting with bearded men is cheap to drive.

            In our Air Force, God forbid, if there are 500 fighters, in such conditions you know it's hard to save money by making low-cost models, first invest in the development, and then get a series of 100-150 vehicles.

            Well, on the Novosib MiG-35 and did not apply. There, as the Dry riveted, they will rivet. Note that we don’t even have unification in the Su-30 fleet, Novosib is riveting its own, Komsomolsk is its own, and here you are talking about changing the class of aircraft.


            We have only one mass type, Su-30СМ, all other modifications were riveted for foreign customers, and, apparently, as simplified pairs of Su-30М2 in the amount of 20 pieces, which, obviously, will not be produced anymore.
            1. 0
              24 June 2017 00: 48
              Quote: EvilLion
              Only planes are not visible, besides the SMT from the 90s.

              A MiG-29 CUB than you are not satisfied?
              Quote: EvilLion
              Let's immediately establish the simple facts that the UAE is not able to either make a fighter or buy a lot of fighters, and there is no technical ability to fulfill

              The UAE is able to give money for development; more is not required from them.
              Quote: EvilLion
              Have a contract with Egypt? OK, but what's next?

              Next, we'll see.
              Quote: EvilLion
              And again, where are the promised Beetles-A? On endless trials.

              Is this a question for the MiG or for the Phazatron?
              Quote: EvilLion
              But let's not write lies. The F-22 had 8 years from the first flight to the series, the supposedly simple MiG-29 in the USSR with its endless funding for 5 years

              Do you not agree that the t-50 program has been delayed? I did not quite understand what you wrote there.
              Quote: EvilLion
              The MiG-35 pathetically tendered in India in those same years.

              What is pathetic in your understanding?
              Quote: EvilLion
              10 Years passed, no plane. The radar, I repeat, is not ready so far.

              I wrote above that in 2014 the MiG was discharged with a bolt instead of a contract in view of “There is no money ...”, specifically there was an article, including the one written in, by Siluanov.
              Quote: EvilLion
              Why the hell is it even needed when there is a spent Su-30СМ?

              But what the hell are we three identical aircraft under the brand name Su?
              Quote: EvilLion
              And it didn’t occur to you that driving a Su-150 squadron in a low-intensity conflict on 300-34 km can be much cheaper than developing a special aircraft?

              Why develop it if you already have it?
              Quote: EvilLion
              The development price is also not a zero value.

              I’ll give you a figure, for example, how much Putin allotted Ka-52-2004 million rubles to fine-tune Ka-4 in XNUMX. it seems to me not the biggest money that they spend in our state, they would have somehow mastered it.
              Quote: EvilLion
              Yes, and the Su-25, in principle, is, why not expand its functionality if hunting with bearded men is cheap to drive.

              Is Su-25 still being produced here? Or will we drive tactical aviation for 50 years on the same aircraft?
              Quote: EvilLion
              When making budget models, first invest in development, and then get a series of 100-150 machines.

              And who is stopping investing? or have you been accustomed to the fact that you don’t need to invest in yours?
              Quote: EvilLion
              We have only one mass type, Su-30СМ

              Yeah, three more subspecies of this type. In general, you are not looking there. Our purchases are carried out according to the principle - one plant - its own products. What they can do, they buy it. And about what’s better, what’s worse, they don’t really care. In this context, the MiG plant should work.
  4. 0
    23 June 2017 11: 22
    What nonsense? What are two pre-production samples? Last summer 8 pieces of this trash flew to our airfield. One could not fly away because of the electronics. It still stands like a ferret in the open air for a year.
    1. +1
      23 June 2017 14: 24
      Quote: Roman Abramov
      What nonsense? What are two pre-production samples? Last summer 8 pieces of this trash flew to our airfield. One could not fly away because of the electronics. It still stands like a ferret in the open air for a year.

      Can I have a photo? Well, or which airdrome, please read more.
    2. 0
      23 June 2017 14: 28
      Do you distinguish the MiG-29 of the 9-12 series from the MiG-35? I don’t think so.
      1. +2
        23 June 2017 14: 46
        Quote: EvilLion
        Do you distinguish the MiG-29 of the 9-12 series from the MiG-35? I don’t think so.

        Do you distinguish a Mercedes 2000 of the year from a Mercedes 2017 of the year? That's the case with the MiG. I can show you a whole train of visual differences. Such an interesting point, by the way. Modellers of problems in the gash from the MiG-29 (9-13) to the MiG-29СМТ do not see, but no one has yet sawed off the MiG-35, because it is easier to cut a new plane out of a piece of plastic, there are so many differences in it.
        Well, to the vantage to you: A new nose, a new flashlight, a new wing, a new stabilizer, new sharp influxes, a modified tail part -last,
  5. +5
    23 June 2017 11: 42
    Try a little and get another SU. Do we need it?
    It was a normal, simple front-line aircraft.
    In the process, they try to export, not for themselves.
    1. +3
      23 June 2017 14: 29
      It was abnormal in range, huge in size and almost equal in price to the Su-27 geek from which something was normal, apparently, only in the MiG-29M they did it.
      1. +6
        23 June 2017 14: 45
        huge in size and almost equal in price with the Su-27

        This is why it is huge and at what price are equal?
        Range the concept is extensible (the sum of many factors) as well as the classification and for the range of everything else Su-27 was.
        Quote: EvilLion
        geek
        negative
        Well, of course, you know better, if you scatter such phrases.
      2. +2
        23 June 2017 15: 40
        Quote: EvilLion
        It was abnormal in range, huge in size and almost equal in price to the Su-27 geek from which something was normal, apparently, only in the MiG-29M they did it.


        Have you had an ophthalmologist for a long time?
  6. +5
    23 June 2017 12: 03
    Mig 35 ... Purely modernized Mig 29, but positioned as a new aircraft.
    The same hated Americans are more honest in terms of names, F 16 is still F 16, Block xs which, but F 16 not F 25 or 29, the same story with F 15 and F 18.
    And we will soon have double-digit numbers ending in calling names for modernizations of the same Su 27. Su 30 should be T 50, not an upgraded Su 27.
    1. +2
      23 June 2017 14: 21
      Quote: Velizariy
      Mig 35 ... Purely modernized Mig 29, but positioned as a new aircraft.

      And the Su-35 is apparently something different than the modernized Su-27?)))) By the way, it was Sukhoi Design Bureau that launched this whistle dance with a new bolt-new name. Recall how many different Su-39, Su-35, Su-37, Su-28, Su-33, Su-30 and so on, and so on, but in fact these are two aircraft - Su-27 and Su-25. So maybe at first we’ll kick on Sukhoi Design Bureau?
      1. 0
        23 June 2017 14: 23
        Kick it. I just did not go through the entire lineup, I think the message is already clear.
        1. +1
          23 June 2017 15: 23
          Quote: Velizariy
          Kick it. I just did not go through the entire lineup, I think the message is already clear.

          And you really try and sort out the entire line)))) The message is not clear to be honest.
      2. 0
        29 June 2017 22: 15
        Quote: tomket
        And the Su-35 is apparently something different than the modernized Su-27?))))

        And what do they have in common, except for the appearance (Su-27 and Su-35s)?
        Differences:
        The glider is different (can withstand heavy loads). A large fuel supply (in the internal tanks of the Su-35 carries 11,3 tons [with outboard 14,3 tons] versus 9,4 on the Su-27). The wings are different. Instead of duralumin, magnesium-cast alloys and composites are used. For the most part, welding instead of riveting. The radar visibility of the aircraft is reduced by a factor of 5). Other engines (16% more thrust). Avionics is different (5th generation). New integrated control system KSU-35 with fourfold redundancy. Static instability in Su-27 - 5% SAH, in Su-35 - 20%.

        Why should he keep the old name (Su-27)?
    2. 0
      23 June 2017 15: 57
      Quote: Velizariy
      And we will soon have double-digit numbers ending in calling names for modernizations of the same Su 27. Su 30 should be T 50, not an upgraded Su 27.

      In general, your claims would have taken place if we had given the name to the planes according to the pre-war scheme, for example, I-fighter, Well, there are 15 and 16 (type 4, type 28, type ....), bomber - bb-xnumx, etc. The Americans still have such a scheme. But since we have a name in honor of aircraft designers, there is no sense in such a scheme. in addition, the same MiG-2 (29-9-12,9-13,9-14,9-17,9) designations are stored inside the design bureau, etc. The fact that you are not overloaded with all these digital codes is not necessary. By the way, the new designation allows you to identify much faster what is reported to you, for example. For example, they informed you about the MiG-19 SMT, and immediately an image pops up in your head, what are you talking about, and if, for example, they start to sprinkle with digital codes? Does the picture pop up right in your head? The same f-29 "Sufa" or "Viper" is identified more quickly by name, rather than as f-16 V block 16, and some sub-block or tranche there.
  7. 0
    23 June 2017 13: 17
    MIG-35, eto only moderniziroviani MIG-29.
    Nikakoy novi samolyot. V Indii on provalilsa. Malo novinzi za mnogo deneg!
    Etot samolyot dorogoy tupik. Pri SU-30SM i SU-35S on k nichemu. Poka bi u RSK MIG bila mashina pok. 4 ++ s 1 ekonomnim dvizhkom s UT, RLS AFAR i khoroshey avionikou, frontovoy deshevi sovremeni istrebitel, ego bi pokupali i VKS i mnogie strani mira u kotorikh est MIG-29.
    1. 0
      23 June 2017 14: 25
      Would create a single-engine aircraft better, at least close to Ф16
      1. 0
        23 June 2017 15: 25
        Quote: Velizariy
        Would create a single-engine aircraft better, at least close to Ф16

        In general, the MiG-29 was created as an anti-f-16, in other words, an aircraft capable of guaranteed to do f-16 in close combat. As I understand it, you need a plane that must fight with f-16 with an unknown outcome.
      2. Quote: Velizariy
        Would create a single-engine aircraft better, at least close to Ф16


        In, finally, a sound idea - why the country has yet another twin-engine fighter and call it at the same time - easy? I would also understand - single-engine is really "light" - and really a savings compared to twin-engine Su. But the twin-engine moment 35-in the end is not much cheaper than the twin-engine su35- everything has already been calculated, the difference is not so striking, despite the fact that the instant35- does not exist yet, and the su35- there are already dozens of them. If you were able to build a single-engine engine for a moment, it would make sense to pull two planes to the state - and no, I see this as just a brazen leak to the budget, with a full understanding of the absence of the aircraft itself as a result - nobody needs it.
    2. 0
      23 June 2017 23: 01
      Use translit.ru if you do not have a Russian keyboard on your computer.
  8. 0
    23 June 2017 13: 43
    https://vpk.name/news/185103_izrailtyane_pokazali
    _vleburzhe_elektricheskii_airplane.html
    1. 0
      23 June 2017 14: 19
      Interesting of course, but why?)
      While 70% of the electricity in the world is generated by the burning of hydrocarbons, economic and environmental indicators will be exactly the opposite of those expected .... although someone buys the same Tesla, so this one will find its buyer - show-offs are more expensive than money)))
      And so the plane is very beautiful, and as a technology demonstrator is simply gorgeous good
  9. 0
    23 June 2017 15: 37
    Quote: Bastinda
    27

    ..and test drive a plane or girls? ..
  10. 0
    23 June 2017 16: 23
    The village of Misha is big ... I ... ... .... and I won’t show the rest. Now you can scandal
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      0
      23 June 2017 17: 24
      Uncle LAW, you are a dumbass ... lol
  11. +1
    23 June 2017 16: 25
    Another exacerbation of MIG disease in "couch experts"!
  12. 0
    23 June 2017 18: 31
    Why on the Air Force plane, instead of the VKS?
  13. 0
    23 June 2017 22: 08
    Quote: EvilLion
    Soviet MiG-29 remained only in Armenia

    Yes, there are still those whom Algeria at one time refused.
  14. 0
    24 June 2017 10: 41
    how they fell in love with common words !!! Already there is no strength ... We are all the same, we are second-rate, we are fenders ..., but only on paper ....
  15. 0
    25 June 2017 22: 35
    Unfortunately, there is no logically consistent presentation of the material. Repetitions are very frequent, which greatly complicates a sufficiently deep perception of the material. The author has only assumptions, without reason. More like populism. Unfortunately.
  16. 0
    26 June 2017 10: 37
    received from unnamed representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the United Aircraft Corporation

    Drain, as always fixed. And if it leaked into the press, then across the ocean - even more so (and in more detail). It seems that it’s time to carry out preventive cleaning of “linguistic unnamed informants” in accordance. institutions.
  17. 0
    26 June 2017 17: 28
    Cyril, when will you start to process the material better? Many phrases are repeated three to four times, and often even more than a dozen lines. It seems that at first one article was rewritten, then the second, third ... But nothing from myself, the work of a journalist is missing.

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