Who is more equal before the law, or Reflections on the case of a "drunk" boy

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This history managed to discuss on many federal (and non-federal) channels. We discussed with the invitation of experts, eyewitnesses, law enforcement officers, deputies. Many versions, many points of view. Although the main thing - zero. And the main thing is that the inevitability of punishment and the equality of citizens before the law are turned into fiction, and it would be foolish to deny it.

The trail of this horrible story is such that the discussion is hardly worth stopping, if only out of a sense of respect and compassion for the family members of the deceased.



Who is more equal before the law, or Reflections on the case of a "drunk" boy


Who are we talking about? And we are talking about 6-year-old Alyosha Shimko from the Moscow Region city of Zheleznodorozhny who died in the courtyard of his own house under the wheels of a Hyundai Solaris car, driven by an 31-year-old lady named Olga Alisova.

The case is terrible. And he is terrible not only by the fact of the death of the child, but also by what the story of the investigation turned into later. In fact, in the previous sentence, the word “investigation” could and should have been quoted, because there was no investigation into the more than strange traffic accident that caused the death of an 6-year-old boy. There was not even a criminal case, which already raises questions to local law enforcement officers. If the death of the child itself occurred on April 23, then local law enforcement officers were allowed to initiate a criminal case only the next month after the tragedy - and then only on the basis of a deputy request from Elena Mizulina.

Briefly about how the accident occurred. 6-year-old Alyosha Shimko was walking on the playground in the yard with his grandfather. At some point in time, grandfather told his grandson that it was time to go home. 6-year-old boy ran to the entrance of his house, his grandfather at the time was carrying Alyosha's bicycle in his hands. At that moment, the boy was hit by Alisov in her car. And not just hit, but managed, sorry for such terrible details, to move the child and the front and rear wheels, which indirectly indicates the speed at which the car was moving in the yard. Everything happened in front of not only grandfather Alyosha Shimko, but also dozens of residents of the surrounding houses. People made an attempt to reanimate the boy and called an ambulance. But the injuries after hitting the car turned out to be more than serious, and when the doctors arrived, they could only ascertain the death of the baby.

Surveillance cameras showed that Alisova’s car first turns around in the courtyard, and then the driver accelerates the car to a significant speed, literally pulling down the child and then moving it around with the whole car.

The situation acquired a truly resonant tone after, following a report on the initiation of a criminal case, the data on conducting a forensic medical examination were made public. The examination showed that in the boy's blood at the time of the accident was 2,7 (!) Ppm alcohol. For an adult, this corresponds to about a bottle of strong alcoholic drink, for a child - about 150-200 g of vodka or its “analogues”. Resonance was added by the fact that in the most unexpected way the recordings from surveillance cameras were “lost”. “Lost” all at once ... And then the cameras themselves were “lost”:


The place where the camera was previously located


From eyewitness accounts:
When she was driving, she was talking on the cell phone. And therefore she (Olga Alisova) didn’t even immediately notice that she had hit a child. Alyosha was still alive for a few minutes. Stopping, she said that she herself would take him to the hospital, while she was more worried not about what had happened, but about the fact that the interior of her car would be stained with blood. Then she stepped aside and started calling someone on the phone, not at all in an ambulance.


When a criminal case was not initiated into the death of a child as a result of an accident, people already “suspected something”. But when the authorities announced that the boy riding a bike in the yard was "drunk", this led to a real 9 of public outrage. The phrase “drunken boy” in recent days has become a common noun in relation to how you can alter the essence of any crime committed, if the person who committed this crime is “chosen”.

Information obtained by bloggers and journalists in the Moscow region suggests that the friends of the criminal "authorities" have been among the "chosen" for some time in the metropolitan area. It turns out that Mrs. Alisova is the spouse of a man named Sergei Alisov, who remains several months before being released from prison, where he was convicted by a court for kidnapping, extortion and rape. Reportedly, the Kornyakov gang (named after Anatoly Kornyakov, a resident of the Kursk region), which included Alisov, was involved in scamming and extortion, forcing the residents of the Moscow region to copy their apartments to criminals and transfer money taken in the form of bank loans. The gang stayed afloat for a long time, although almost every second resident of the region was aware of its existence and composition ...

Returning to the examination, who called the child - the victim of an accident - "drunk."

A forensic medical expert with nearly 35 years of experience Mikhail Kleymyonov stated that he “personally sealed all biological tests” before being sent to the laboratory. When he saw the data on the content of 2,7 ppm alcohol and its decay product - acetaldehyde, he, in his own words, "was surprised." Then, according to Kleymenov, it was decided to conduct a molecular genetic examination. From an interview with Kleymyonov newspaper "TVNZ":
That is, to conduct a comparative examination of those two blood samples (which were sent to different departments of the laboratory). The results showed that both samples belong to the same person. Everything became obvious to me, and I decided to put an end to the research and my signature on the results of the examination.


On the question of how long this kind of research lasted, Kleymenov for some reason refused to answer, stating that it was better to ask the investigation. At the same time, Kleimenov tries to pay special attention to the presence of the above-mentioned acetaldehyde in blood samples, which supposedly should say that the boy consumed alcoholic beverages, since it is this product that is produced when alcohol is decomposed in the human body. Well, and then the conversation was reduced to the fact that, say, the boy could drink cough medicine, or even “by adult oversight” slam a glass or two of vodka from the table ...

Kleymenov:
Considering the experience and experience of many Russians, we know that there are cases when a child tries alcohol, but parents do not know about it. At the feast some glass is missing by mistake or something else ...


The same Kleimenov spoke against the exhumation of the body of Alyosha Shimko, stating that in order to "confirm" the version (apparently, the version of the boy's "alcoholic intoxication"), it is enough to take the mother's biomaterial. Like, if it is discovered that the biomaterial belonged to her son, it means that "the expertise did everything right."

The parents of the child believe that alcohol could have been injected into the boy’s liver after the child’s death in the laboratory. This terrible hypothesis was commented by a narcologist (quote Gazeta.ru):
I rather tend to the version of sloppiness: they mixed up the samples, did not wash the test tube or instrument. But if you remove these versions, then yes, alcohol could inject through a syringe. But I do not understand why it should have been done, because the presence or absence of alcohol in the boy’s blood does not affect the outcome of the case and the severity of the punishment for the driver.


So thinks a narcologist. And in the suburbs may be that affects ...

In this situation, the fact that the crime itself (and this is exactly the crime) is actually being attempted to get the hang out of it turns on itself. And to talk in such a way that there is not enough ether on any “Let them say” to track all the perturbations with statements about how the boy could “drink before the walk”.

On the Mash / Mash page on the social network, there was evidence that a lawyer for the family of the deceased boy spoke about the strange "vigilancies" of the TFR and the prosecutor's office on the case in Zheleznodorozhny. The submission says that the case was requested to be referred to the RF IC by its head, Alexander Bastrykin, for investigation, but the prosecutor’s office insists that the case is not transferred to the TFR at this stage. If you believe the publications, the investigator, who accepted the documents of the examination, claiming that the boy was “intoxicated”, was removed from the case, and a case was initiated under the “Negligence” clause. Alyosha Shimko's father says that it is necessary to initiate a separate criminal case on the basis of expertise, in order not to give “a certain circle of people” to blacken the memory of his dead child.

Roman Shimko (the father of the boy) at the same time notes that now the people who are acquainted with the details of the case, published in the press, cannot be succumbed to provocations. And there are provocations, he said, and there are plenty of them. The first is that an envelope “with a hint” was received in the name of Roman Shimko. The envelope was 50 thousand rubles. After that, Roman learned that Alisova had declared “pressure on her from the side of the unknown and threats against her”. According to Roman, fake pages are created in social networks with his name and the names of other relatives of Alyosha, who emanate threats to Alisova, and Alisov collects these threats to appeal to the prosecutor's office. As you can see, there are people who are trying with all their might to expose the victim of the death of the child as a victim and object for "possible reprisals."

Meanwhile, the portal Life publishes information about the person who put his signature on the results of the examination. It’s all about the same Kleymyonov in whose professional biography there are confirmed examinations about how a teacher beat a policeman, and how the son of an FSB officer died from falling from his own height, not because he was beaten at the local police station. Full material about strange examinations - here to register:.

There are many more strange and obvious facts about the accident with the death of a child in the suburbs, but it is already clear.
The law is one for all, everyone is equal before the law, but still there are those who are "more equal" than all the others. And if justice is going to stain themselves with everything that they can, then let the absurd blinking of the story continue in which criminals are declared victims and victims - criminals. Or do you need a good broom with a simultaneous tool to drive in criminal law? ..
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  1. +70
    22 June 2017 06: 32
    With such a cut, the boy not only walked with his grandfather, he could not crouch, would fall immediately. Of course this is a forgery, and here the colleagues of the father of the unfortunate boy should support him. Father in an interview on the radio said that he may need state protection. A separate case should be instituted against the expert. This is not a medical error, this is falsification.
    1. +24
      22 June 2017 08: 37
      Banditry, law enforcement and everything else that revolves around all this turns into a cancerous tumor ..
      1. +16
        22 June 2017 08: 55
        So remove this "tumor" - the law enforcement system? For several .... (although the investigation is ongoing and it will give an answer) you put a cliche to the whole system. Well, once so smart, delete, and then create your own. Just keep in mind that life does not stand still. And there is no time for "creating a new one". There are people with their problems that need to be solved HERE and NOW.
        And in this situation, I would not hurry to draw conclusions. It is necessary to transfer the UD to the Central Administration of the IC as having received wide resonance and to calmly understand.
        1. +21
          22 June 2017 10: 14
          Maybe I spoke sharply about everyone, Chokh .. But here's the warning. Yesterday, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs himself stated that the evidence of the examination was confirmed .. You want to say that, I don’t believe that the child could take such a dose ..
          Quote: Okolotochny
          So remove this "tumor" - the law enforcement system? For several .... (although the investigation is ongoing and it will give an answer) you put a cliche to the whole system. Well, once so smart, delete, and then create your own. Just keep in mind that life does not stand still. And there is no time for "creating a new one". There are people with their problems that need to be solved HERE and NOW.
          And in this situation, I would not hurry to draw conclusions. It is necessary to transfer the UD to the Central Administration of the IC as having received wide resonance and to calmly understand.
          1. Fox
            +5
            22 June 2017 11: 05
            Quote: 210ox
            -I don’t believe that the child could take such a dose ..

            I would not believe it ... but in '94, while on a business trip in Smolensk, I watched a 6-year-old drunk child lying around by the hotel ... hotel workers confirmed that he often “had a rest” here, got used to it ...
            but then he walked with his grandfather, does not agree.
            1. +1
              22 June 2017 11: 09
              Yes, everything happens .. I really didn’t see this in Smolensk. I came from there and lived until 2012
              Quote: Fox
              Quote: 210ox
              -I don’t believe that the child could take such a dose ..

              I would not believe it ... but in '94, while on a business trip in Smolensk, I watched a 6-year-old drunk child lying around by the hotel ... hotel workers confirmed that he often “had a rest” here, got used to it ...
              but then he walked with his grandfather, does not agree.
            2. BAI
              +10
              22 June 2017 11: 48
              but here I walked with my grandfather

              That's it - he walked, with such a dose he would not be able to walk, would lie in a coma.
              1. +13
                22 June 2017 13: 10
                Grandfather actually also carried his bike if you carefully read the article.
                Those. Alyosha also rode a bicycle before. Needless to say, he physically could not have done this if he had really been "drunk"?
          2. +17
            22 June 2017 11: 17
            Colleague, I painted a little lower for alcohol in a child. On this fact alone, it is necessary to verify and decide on the initiation of UD. Only on this fact. So, if someone decided to "muddle", then under normal investigators he "enticed" himself, and possibly a period.
        2. +16
          22 June 2017 22: 36
          A colleague brought up a traffic policeman who voted on the road and nearly knocked down a pedestrian who jumped onto the road, so the "law enforcer" advised that if someone happens to be knocked down, wasting no time to pour in a victim of vodka.
          And for the otmazyvaniya celestials, our police are in the forefront of world ratings.
      2. +2
        23 June 2017 23: 57
        "God created people different, and Mr. Colt equalized them in rights"
    2. +14
      22 June 2017 09: 35
      Surprisingly, these freaks did not have the audacity to blame everything on grandfather. Like on a children's bike, he moved.
    3. +20
      22 June 2017 09: 56
      Quote: Balu
      With such a cut, the boy not only walked with his grandfather, he could not crouch, would fall immediately. Of course this is a forgery, and here the colleagues of the father of the unfortunate boy should support him. Father in an interview on the radio said that he may need state protection. A separate case should be instituted against the expert. This is not a medical error, this is falsification.

      Of course, this is falsification. That's the meaning of it is not clear: the driver is to blame in love case- drunk, the victim is not drunk, he is not a driver, and there are no norms of alcohol for him. . The allowed speed is 20 km / h, it has much more, it is easily set by the accident scheme (braking distance).

      Drunk, most likely, was precisely the watermaker.
      1. +18
        22 June 2017 09: 57
        Drunk, most likely, was precisely the watermaker.

        I also thought about it, probably also chatted on the phone.
        1. +5
          22 June 2017 10: 00
          Quote: Balu
          surely also chatted on the phone.

          This is even more likely.
        2. +8
          22 June 2017 18: 28
          First of all, the driver is to blame. Not just knocked down (touched), but drove through a small person. In the residential area definitely. Sometimes children jump out under the wheels. And 2,7 ppm in a child at 6 years old ... Everything is possible, but not in this case! Insanity grows stronger.
      2. 0
        22 June 2017 22: 38
        Olgovich
        The allowed speed is 20 km / h, it has much more, it is easily set by the accident scheme (braking distance).

        In modern cars with ABS, the braking distance is difficult to determine (there is no brake trail).
    4. +12
      22 June 2017 10: 10
      Anyone who is even familiar with a fatal accident investigation should know that a criminal case is immediately opened for any such fact. The decision on the production of forensic examination of the corpse is made by the investigator. And only on this basis is an examination conducted. The expert, however, answers only the specific questions posed by the investigator. The question is, what could lead the investigator to put to the expert the question of detecting traces of alcohol in the body of a 6-year-old child at the time of the accident? There really are three options. The smell of alcohol from the child at the time of the inspection at the scene of the incident, a message to the investigator at the autopsy (followed by the investigator posing an additional question in the decision), a request or an indication from a higher management, or personal mercenary initiative of the investigator himself. And one more important nuance. Alcohol in human blood can only be found during life.
      1. +12
        22 June 2017 11: 07
        I'm familiar.
        Anyone who is even familiar with a fatal accident investigation should know that a criminal case is immediately opened for any such fact.

        Wrong, right so MUST EXCITATE BUSINESS
        In fact, there are sometimes delays such that no evidence is left (videos, cell metadata, corpses)
        In this case, guaranteed next in action, the question you correctly posed how he in fact?


        Regarding the conversation on the phone, well, you’re like little ones, as if providers had no feed. They want to find out.
      2. BAI
        0
        22 June 2017 11: 51
        Alcohol in human blood can only be found during life.

        Actively discusses the topic of post-mortem injection. Another thing is that experts emphasize the presence of alcohol decay products, which can be formed only during life.
        1. +10
          22 June 2017 12: 02
          Actively discusses the topic of post-mortem injection. Another thing is that experts stress on the presence of alcohol decay products, which can be formed only during life.

          Conspiracy therapists ... Maybe everything is simpler - the blood is not his?
          1. +2
            23 June 2017 04: 54
            everything is simpler - is not his blood?
            That's it! This is a forgery, not just mixed up test tubes.
        2. +5
          22 June 2017 13: 03
          Then one "ikskpert" in the box assured that the alcohol in the blood could remain during the embalming of the corpse. belay During his investigative practice, hundreds of cases of premeditated murders and those involved in road accidents by police and prosecutors had to be investigated. In addition, hundreds of materials on the death of citizens (where without crime) are allowed. At autopsy, all internal organs and the brain are seized. The corpse is washed with water from a hose. All the blood remaining in the body flows down, forming cadaveric spots. Well, where do you order to inject vodka or alcohol, if no matter where it spills through the vessels crossed at the opening, or flows down. At the same time, alcohol that has penetrated the body (blood) as a result of vital activity and an alcohol solution of coagulated blood can be distinguished by any first-year physician.
          1. +4
            22 June 2017 14: 53
            Quote: siberalt
            All the blood remaining in the body flows down, forming cadaveric spots. Well, where do you order to inject vodka or alcohol, if no matter where it is, it either spills through the vessels crossed at the opening, or flows down.

            Blood for analysis from corpses is taken from the vessels of the legs and arms, if the legs and arms are in place. And in our region they always take during the examination of a corpse.
          2. +1
            23 June 2017 18: 56
            Hundreds of cases of intentional killings .. belay belay belay ? And you yourself now are not under the influence of alcohol? If not, then you are a very famous person in certain circles, and I can guess from .. about eight times who you are .... wink !
          3. +5
            24 June 2017 09: 20
            In this story, one does not have to have experience in investigations and be an investigator in order to understand one thing - the lack of conscience.
            Remembering the stupid phrase (after such a hussar fired), one may ask the gentlemen of the officer, and you are officers or not.
            A child was shot down and killed, but they did not initiate proceedings until the wave came in, the cameras disappear and the recordings from them (which they had been torn by the wind) well, and the examination.
            Gentlemen involved in this ahvitser where your conscience or money replace everything?
        3. +3
          23 June 2017 11: 16
          Quote: BAI
          Actively discusses the topic of post-mortem injection.

          Is logical. Or there was a nest egg on duty, designed for such cases, but for an adult. Or they made a mistake with the place, again because they had no business with child corpses. Hence the picture of a wild overdose. And then everything was done clearly, with all the documentation, because of this and the problem. The analysis revealed that there was some frank nonsense with alcohol, but nothing could be done - everything was clearly documented and sealed.
          Quote: BAI
          the presence of alcohol decay products that can only form during life

          What difference does it make? Characters who can take care of such cover in advance will take care of the presence of decay products in advance.
    5. +6
      22 June 2017 12: 13
      but what's the difference, even if it’s really shit, does it somehow justify the driver? which in the courtyard zone controls a hazardous facility
      1. +11
        22 June 2017 13: 22
        I totally agree. The condition of the victim is taken into account in determining the severity of the punishment, but does not affect the qualification of the corpus delicti. The main fault was there: the driver could or should have foreseen the possibility of the onset of consequences, and whether he had the opportunity to prevent their onset.
    6. +2
      23 June 2017 02: 02
      You flashed the most important thing too !! The point is not whether the boy was drunk or not drunk, it does NOT MATTER !! Got the fact of killing the boy is a bitch !! But an attempt to cover her with all kinds of boltolygia and false acts of expertise is also a crime, but it’s completely different. There is collusion, and bribery and concealment of crime, and much more. But now it’s more important - what would it get AT MAXIMUM !!!
      1. +3
        25 June 2017 16: 48
        "There is conspiracy, and bribery and concealment of crime"
        And mutual responsibility
    7. +1
      23 June 2017 14: 06
      Quote: Balu
      This is not a medical error, this is falsification.

      The prosecutor’s office will not lie. And attempts to blame the judicial authorities for lies are nothing more than dancing to the tune of Navalny swinging a boat.
      1. +2
        23 June 2017 18: 33
        Quote: Young_Communist
        The prosecutor’s office will not lie. And attempts to blame the judicial authorities for lies are nothing more than dancing to the tune of Navalny swinging a boat.

        Or maybe your comment is a dance to his tune? Why did you mention him - what does he have to do with it? Any family has its own ..., in any country, in any police - everything can be, just don’t get in here even Navalny - it's not about him.
        PS I see no reason to inject alcohol - this does not mitigate the driver’s guilt. In the living area, both the 20KM / H speed and the pedestrian ALWAYS take precedence.
      2. +4
        24 June 2017 11: 49
        The prosecutor’s office will not lie. And attempts to blame the judicial authorities for lies are nothing more than dancing to the tune of Navalny swinging a boat.


        here you sparkled with humor directly blinded my eyes
  2. +51
    22 June 2017 06: 33
    Yes, there is nothing strange in these examinations and in the actions of the prosecutor's office. Any organized crime groups cannot exist without the support of local * authorities *. Otherwise, it is impossible to even imagine that the bandits would divide the country into food supply and feed for years.
    1. +30
      22 June 2017 07: 23
      The so-called "vertical of power" in action, the administration covers the cops, they cover the administration and cover the "necessary" bandits and authorities, handing over to the plan all shushera and lawless people .... - there is nothing new, ordinary Russian life "in concepts." ...
    2. +7
      22 June 2017 07: 54
      March 23, 1989 the first elections were held for the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR.
      Father says: you need to ask your grandfather about repression.
      - He's not the boss in appearance.
      - Grandfather served in the prosecutor's office.
      And the grandfather had his 28th birthday. We arrived, presented shoes, sat down at the table. grandfather drank a stack over his 80th birthday ("the head will make a noise anyway").
      I remind my father: you need to ask about repression.
      Father asks the question "Have you participated?"
      -not
      -And who, how, when. why?
      - This is who wanted to curry favor.
      And he went to drink the pill "from the head."
      The pig will find dirt. and what did the man seek, how did he live ?.
      In 2015, I asked my aunt, 1933: what was said about my grandfather?
      - Nothing bad, but my childhood friend Kolya (her husband) was taken away from his father, the chairman of the collective farm, and no one knows where.
      These are the pies with kittens for Memorial.
      Who wanted to build socialism, built, who wanted to hang-hang, drown kittens, drowned and strangled (according to Bulgakov).
      I believe that the contradictions from the 19th century that have come to us (and that led to the three revolutions, we have not overcome for 50-70 years, but for 30-40 years.
      Can these terms be called an achievement?
      - it’s been written a long time ago about 37g, and my grandfather came to the Prosecutor’s Office at the beginning of 37 g according to the party set-- “5 thousand” and other companies.
      In other spheres of life they advanced from the people, from the party organizations. Quick rotation of the "sitting up"
    3. +23
      22 June 2017 08: 11
      Quote: Vasily50
      Yes, there is nothing strange in these examinations and in the actions of the prosecutor's office. Any organized crime groups cannot exist without the support of local * authorities *. Otherwise, it is impossible to even imagine that the bandits would divide the country into food supply and feed for years.

      I have repeatedly encountered - and continue to encounter - a new type of organized crime group: these are usually former reckless chaos of the 90s, successfully legalized, overgrown with tight ties in administrative officials and the police, among lawyers, forensic experts, BTI, traffic police, traffic police officers, traffic police officers ... and more! The main area of ​​"business interests" is gray-black business (all sorts of Tajiks-Armenians-shabashniks worked there for six months - they paid half-starving ... and then they "threw" it; in such a style ...); auto-cages; bistro cafes with beer, vodka and “left” kebabs from dog meat ... feeble old women and dropping down drunks in privatized apartments or houses ... you don’t even need to strangle the poor: he injected some nitos, brought them out of town in winter, and landed on the road (either freezes, or gets lost ... and - doesn’t remember anything! and the apartment was handed over as a gift, and for the drunk - the housing and communal services debts have also been repaid! ...); Yes, and it’s difficult to identify the crime ... Nobody is engaged in such organized crime groups!
      According to the accumulation of funds, authority and ties - the leaders of these organized crime groups go "to power" ...
      -------------------------------
      .... what "power" has us! God forbid, such "bulk" will come to power nationwide! Better "stupidly orthodox" "d! E. Bi: ly, b ... b!"
    4. AUL
      +16
      22 June 2017 08: 46
      Yes, there is nothing strange in these examinations and in the actions of the prosecutor's office.
      The Balashikha district, which includes the city of Zheleznodorozhny, is "held" by a trinity: the head of the administration - deputy district prosecutor - a thief in law Svetly. Watch the movie "Genocide. Railway" on the Internet. Unless it has been deleted yet. So it is not necessary to be surprised at such an “investigation”.
      1. +5
        22 June 2017 21: 04
        Checked, it remains and is.
      2. +8
        22 June 2017 22: 05
        Quote from AUL
        The Balashikha district, which includes the city of Zheleznodorozhny, is "held" by a trinity: the head of the administration - deputy district prosecutor - thief in law Svetly

        And all this gauno takes place in the enlightened Putin’s Russian Federation ..... illuminated by the Snowdon consumer goods ...
        This is a kind of concentrated evil!
        It turns out that we are all potential sufferers?
        Where are the gundyaev? oooo! urgently forgive me future sins, I will give it according to the price list, substitute the second cheek myself.
  3. +17
    22 June 2017 06: 54
    The phrase "drunk boy" in recent days has become a household word in relation to how you can re-interpret the essence of any crime committed

    This phrase has become a household word as a characteristic of the situation in the country. We have drunk boys everywhere. am
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  4. +31
    22 June 2017 06: 57
    There is no justice in Russia. “Basmanny court” - these two words have already become a household word for the characterization of the so-called “justice” in Russia ... “Drunk boy” - this is one and only one of those cases that have accidentally gained fame when people in uniform will completely defend their own the honor of a “uniform, by any means, completely awesome of impunity ...... I am especially impressed that not only the so-called“ experts ”, but even high-ranking cops justify the“ honesty ”of this examination, and even put forward theories, how the boy could "get drunk" to shit ... like the parents "didn’t see", huh .....
    1. +12
      22 June 2017 08: 41
      As they wrote on the Internet: "An electric meter hanging in the building of the Basmanny court changed its testimony"
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  5. +11
    22 June 2017 07: 08
    When the media promotion of this business began, I immediately chose the side of the parents. But a few things bother me.
    1) How does a wife / lover / close friend of such a cool bandit (and to crank up such a thing, and even with a child of an employee of the Russian Guard have to be very "authoritative") goes to the Hyundai Solaris? 2) The media wrote that the recordings from the cameras disappeared or the cameras did not work, i.e. in fact there is no video registration. The article writes what is visible on the video. How? Has anyone already viewed them?
    3) The results of the reanalysis excluded sample swapping and showed the presence of ethanol.
    How is all this?
    The story is confusing and I will wait for official conclusions.
    Sorry for the child. My opinion is that traffic in yards should always be one-way and the road should be strewn with artificial bumps to force a decrease in speed.
    1. +9
      22 June 2017 07: 21
      The results of the repeated analysis excluded the substitution of samples and showed the presence of ethanol.
      Because of the same test tubes, they are stored in the refrigerator according to the current order. mix them up easily.
    2. +10
      22 June 2017 08: 42
      1) cranking is quite simple - a syringe with alcohol, could be injected by anyone who had access to the body,
      2) even a "glass of vodka drunk by accident" - it would immediately be noticeable to everyone around the child, he would swing, fall, walk stumble - well, that is, not naturally.
      3) the results of the reanalysis confirmed only that it is the blood of this child and that there is alcohol in it, the moment of ingestion of alcohol is not established
      4) it’s very strange - why didn’t they initiate a case, very .. The expert correctly says that in this situation, alcohol in the blood of the victim affects the driver’s responsibility, of course, in the direction of mitigation, but not so much that the case does not initiate
      5) "the Criminal Code, Article 109. Causing death by negligence
      1. Causing death by negligence - punishable correctional labor for up to two years, either restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years, or forced labor for a term of up to two years, or imprisonment for the same term. "- in general, a good lawyer could scratch it quite simply (good characteristics, no criminal record, etc. ) if she’s a friend of criminals, she’d leave for one or two.

      Sorry for the child - as well as his parents. They have sorrow ...

      Z.Y. and it really amusedthe road should be strewn with artificial bumps to force a decrease in speed. - Do we have somewhere roads NOT strewn with bumps and pits ???
      1. +5
        22 June 2017 10: 14
        In the Criminal Code, you must include the article "causing death by stupidity" because it is difficult to call an imbalance driving imprudence ...
        1. +3
          23 June 2017 02: 12
          And I suggest - just one type of sentence. For car murder - 25 years without the right to pardon !! am
          And then at the end scum scummed - "who is not in the car is the one" and crush everyone who is on his own!
      2. +4
        22 June 2017 15: 01
        Quote: your1970
        5) "the Criminal Code, Article 109. Causing death by negligence

        not that if you accidentally shoot a friend on a hunt.
        When driving with a fatal outcome - Part 3 of Article 264 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for up to 5 years in prison, and if the driver is drunk then up to 7 years
      3. 0
        22 June 2017 15: 44
        Quote: your1970
        Z.Y. and this amused the real road should be strewn with artificial bumps to force a decrease in speed. - Do we have somewhere roads NOT strewn with bumps and pits ???

        In my yard, the roadway is not strewn with bumps, I don’t know how you have in the yard.
        Or do you have a yard with access to what is shown in the picture?
        1. +4
          22 June 2017 17: 45
          In my yard, the roadway is not strewn with bumps, I don’t know how you have in the yard.-and on our main highway the convexities with the bulges alternate, from +10 to -30 cm (which is worse for cars I don’t even know — a failure in a pit or a blow to a hill) .... Inter-district roads - put a sign at the entrance to the area "Pits" with a sign for the entire length of the road around the district, and at the entrance to the next district the next sign. The lengths only change "34800m", "42000m", etc.
          small streets (not paved) - those who have money - are covered with bricks from ruined buildings ...
          1. 0
            23 June 2017 07: 13
            I wrote about yards, and not about roads, tracks and the like. The tragedy did not happen on the highway.
            1. +2
              23 June 2017 10: 52
              and yards - if there are such pits on the roads, even reluctance to discuss
              1. 0
                23 June 2017 11: 00
                I already wrote here:
                Quote: ImPerts
                If on Solaris I accelerated to 60 and still talked on the phone, as claimed, then everything was fine in the covered yard.

                Therefore:
                Quote: ImPerts
                My opinion is that traffic in yards should always be one-way and the road should be strewn with artificial bumps to force a decrease in speed.

                Further we will be about roads of various subordination?
                Let's)))
                Here is a city street in England
              2. 0
                23 June 2017 11: 02
                Or here is a rural road (or maybe between district towns) in the USA:


                And through the link you will find magnificent roads in Canada:
                http://forums.drom.ru/irkutsk/t1152252589-p1151.h
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                1. 0
                  25 June 2017 18: 40
                  I like these roads, they are usual for our area ...
    3. +8
      22 June 2017 08: 57
      Was the baby drunk? This is not important in this case. The facts are as follows: the car moved through the courtyard of a residential building at high speed (~ 60 km / h), the driver spoke on the phone while driving. All.
      BUT! According to the behavior of local law enforcement officers, there was no alcohol.
      “Plague on both of your houses!”
      1. +11
        23 June 2017 09: 23
        Was the baby drunk? This is not important in this case.

        No, you're wrong. This is just IMPORTANT. There is an article in the Criminal Code on this subject. And this is a mandatory reason for verification in the framework of the Criminal Procedure Code (whether or not to initiate UD). And when, from morning until the tragedy, to restore the little one’s day every minute, and if it turns out that the child was PHYSICALLY CANNOT “overlap”, the adults were sober, his neighbors saw him playing, etc. then MUST ask questions to experts, MUST. And if you still take the billing of their phones from the moment of the tragedy, visit their jobs. And if the calls of the “relatives” of the “lady with the car” slip through, then another 90 UDs can be brought up, and maybe two - against experts - they give a subscription against the “venturer” who came up with the version with a drunken kid.
    4. Alf
      +1
      22 June 2017 21: 56
      Quote: ImPerts
      and the road should be strewn with artificial bumps to force a decrease in speed.

      In our courtyards, roads resemble a tankodrome.
      1. +1
        23 June 2017 07: 16
        If on Solaris I accelerated to 60 and still talked on the phone, as claimed, then everything was fine in the covered yard.
        Or are we already discussing roads in general?
    5. 0
      23 June 2017 19: 06
      It’s true, the matter is dark ... I also immediately thought about Solaris, such an aunt that the authorities immediately began to work for her right from the first hours of the tragedy ... and rides on Solaris .... something is not crumbling!
    6. +2
      25 June 2017 18: 47
      The child’s father said (in a talk show, perhaps from Malakhov) that he had seized the video with his own hands and took it to the investigator. But this record is not m. considered in court, because when it was seized and communicated, the procedures of everything were violated: there was no act of seizure, witnesses, etc.
      1. +1
        25 June 2017 19: 52
        It was necessary to upload to YouTube, from there it would not go away, plus it would be distributed, and in addition they showed on TV, including liberal channels. And now it will disappear
      2. +6
        26 June 2017 10: 39
        Formally, the court is right, the evidence was obtained in violation of the rules of the CPC. But it can be done in another way - the interrogating officer will interview his father and, during the survey, remove the video recording and attach it to the materials with the protocol of the scene inspection. And that’s it.
  6. +12
    22 June 2017 07: 21
    Or do you need a good broom with a simultaneous tool for driving in criminal law? ..

    I agree with the author, but you need not drive in criminal law, which those who are supposed to know perfectly, and finally end the "telephone law" and strictly observe the principle - "everyone is equal before the law." Moreover, for violation of this, punish in a criminal manner and without leniency.
    1. 0
      23 June 2017 02: 15
      SMERSH - a great option, investigation and punishment in one bottle! And who blathers "but in the enlightened west there is no mention of it" - the accused of raping the "girl liza" in Germany was recently sentenced "for cruel sexual abuse of a child - a fine of 100 marks" am
  7. +16
    22 June 2017 07: 49
    Unfortunately, the loss of video materials is widespread in our Ministry of Internal Affairs, sometimes from nine cameras at the same time. And about the law enforcement officers sitting on the salary of the bandits is also not news ... But what to do about it - only Lenin knows ...
    1. +14
      22 June 2017 08: 44
      Stalin, Stalin knew for sure!
      1. +8
        22 June 2017 09: 11
        novel66
        and what did he know ??
        In December 1934, the People's Commissariat of Communications of the USSR held a meeting on the fight against theft (this must be read separately - about the then oligarchs, majors and corruption, including the NKVDshnuyu), and on June 15, 1935, a new radio roll-call took place, at which the People's Commissar Rykov summed up the disappointing results of a year and a half of the fight against mail thieves:
        “For the first quarter of 1935, the most striking figure is the double payments for money transfers. In 1934, double payments for the quarter amounted to 1153 thousand rubles; for the first quarter of 1935 double payments reached 1487 thousand rubles, i.e. increased compared to what we had in 1934. Fake and unapproved transfers are also at a very high level, they reach 1935 thousand rubles in the first quarter of 543. Theft, embezzlement and miscalculations decreased slightly, but remained still at a very high level, reaching 2180 thousand rubles per quarter, last year we collected an average of 2650 thousand rubles per quarter, in the first quarter of 1935 we recovered a total of 2162 thousand rubles, along with a reduction in theft and embezzlement with growth of double payments, we have an increase in theft of parcels and letters: 1934 parcels were stolen in the IV quarter of 2600, 1935 were stolen in the I quarter of 7700. Letters were stolen in the fourth quarter of 1934, 2200, and 1935 in the first quarter of 2600. We have achieved some reduction in theft, embezzlement due to forged documents there. In 1934, this amounted to more than 4 million on average per quarter, in the first quarter of 1936 - 2180 thousand, but nevertheless the number of thefts remains unacceptably high "- 4 MILLION IN THE QUARTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!all of our corrupt officials like Vasilieva cry in the sandbox, an 8 billion colonel smokes nervously on the sidelines ... With 4 million money, these are HUNDREDS of the current billions, again QUARTER..

        Read less nonsense like Solzhenitsyn and more documents of those times
        The terrible villain and bloodsucker Stalin, yeah ......
        1. 0
          26 June 2017 06: 47
          Stalin never had complete power except during the war. But such facts with local kings and oligarchs were one of the reasons for the 37-38 of the year. Not the main one, but the tsars destroyed including the wildest arrogance and violence against people
    2. +1
      22 June 2017 12: 48
      He also knew how to restore order in German money.
  8. +11
    22 June 2017 08: 43
    The boy is drunk. Well, let’s say an accident error, the cameras disappeared, an accident again, a month’s business didn’t open an accident again, until a fig of randomness seems.
    1. +9
      22 June 2017 09: 02
      business month did not open accident again

      This is not an accident, this is practice. The term for the excitation of UD is 3 days from the date of application or message. The inquiry body may extend up to 10 days if research is required. With the sanction of the prosecutor's office, it can be extended up to 30 days. I think here is just such a case. Examinations (studies) are not fast. There is nothing strange here (I mean the timing).
      Another surprises, according to the materials of the boy’s examination, why did the investigator fail to check? On the subject of alcohol in the blood of the child? Here you can solder article 151 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - Involvement of a minor in antisocial activities
      1. Involvement of a minor in the systematic use (drinking) of alcoholic and alcohol-containing products,
      That's what is strange.

  9. +5
    22 June 2017 08: 50
    A flagrant example of incorruptible justice. Everyone is equal before the law, but the one who has more rights is right. Another bast in a row or in a criminal case of the oligarchy. And sooner or later you will have to answer, and you cannot hide in the Seychelles. Wait, guys, the team has already left for you.
    1. +4
      22 June 2017 11: 14
      in the criminal case of the oligarchy

      Wife of a Moscow oligarch on Solaris?
      Surround ....
      1. +1
        22 June 2017 12: 24
        So Solaris is what would leave the yard. On a limousine, "such" gets stuck in narrow courtyard driveways. She didn’t have to go to the parking lot from the porch on foot.
  10. +14
    22 June 2017 08: 50
    A drunk six-year-old boy plays in the yard, and then he runs home and it’s “drunk”, but he couldn’t crawl at that dose, it’s such our system that his hair stands on end. That the prosecutor’s office can only work in “slot machines”, but there’s no time for normal observance of LAWS, I’m not talking about conscience and honor. Where are we going?
  11. +6
    22 June 2017 09: 06
    This sad story will certainly be picked up by foreign media: a six-year-old boy, having drunk half a liter of vodka, rode his bicycle and, through negligence, fell under the wheels of a random car. This is how Russians drink. This is what local prosecutors smoke to believe such nonsense! Or maybe they throw mushrooms?
  12. +10
    22 June 2017 09: 08
    I worked in Zheleznodorozhny. Mr. Yasny, who is wanted, freely moved around the city, Mr. Ivanov, finished the cottage, worked at Union
    "Man in purple

    In the video, where Zhirkov discusses the details of the financial life of the city, you can see another man in a purple shirt. According to the CrimeRussia source, this person is Alexander Ivanovich Ivanov, the former director of Union shopping and entertainment center in Zheleznodorozhny, where, according to some reports, that record was made.
    It is noteworthy that this businessman was the uncle of Petrukh and adviser to Zhirkov. According to CrimeRussia, he was responsible for collecting “tribute” from local entrepreneurs for the mayor of Balashikha. Soon after the appearance of the record on the network, Ivanov was found dead. The official cause of death is suicide. According to the source, a few days before the suicide, Ivanov had a serious conversation with Zhirkov and Petrov, who demanded that he give his share in the Broadcasting Company as a fine for the video conversation that had leaked into the network. The results of the negotiations remained unknown, but soon the businessman committed suicide. "
    There the whole city was bought.
  13. +13
    22 June 2017 09: 10
    No, well, and then you are surprised that people take to the streets?
    1. +2
      22 June 2017 12: 22
      In Durkain they “went out”, even supposedly themselves and on their own initiative, and the final result could not be seen by a simple person “out of the crowd” in the worst nightmare. Hello from the 90s!
      1. +11
        22 June 2017 14: 33
        Yes Yes. Fight on distant approaches. Do not rock the boat and tighten your belts. And bow when the master passes by.
  14. +10
    22 June 2017 09: 11
    I don’t understand yet another point, why did they take the blood for alcohol from the boy, and not from the rider?
  15. +4
    22 June 2017 09: 14
    In Russia, communications and money decide. Traditionally
    1. 0
      22 June 2017 17: 54
      In Russia, communications and money decide. Traditionally - "Solaris" is an indicator of connections or money ???
      1. 0
        23 June 2017 08: 55
        People are different.
      2. +1
        26 June 2017 06: 49
        Our university rector rode nine and owned at least two supermarkets in the city center. The machine itself is not an indicator.
  16. +1
    22 June 2017 09: 17
    Quote: Old military instructor
    A flagrant example of incorruptible justice. Everyone is equal before the law, but the one who has more rights is right. Another bast in a row or in a criminal case of the oligarchy. And sooner or later you will have to answer, and you cannot hide in the Seychelles. Wait, guys, the team has already left for you.

    Presumably, the departing brigade will now pick up all corrupt officials and thieves, and honest and incorruptible people will immediately come in their place. And justice and prosperity will come.
    Do you understand correctly?
    The next question is - Are you out of your mind?
  17. +12
    22 June 2017 09: 36
    Here they live, drunk children rush under the wheels of cars. Bezdelit takes the form of farce!
    Sew everything with white thread with this super expert.
    To determine the causes of alcohol in the blood of a child, the following tests are immediately taken, sections of the stomach for oxidation, sections of the liver, urine, a total of 6 more tests.
    The question is completely different in essence .How to trust this examination, which is the “queen of evidence” if, according to the results of the analyzes, a 6-year-old child turns out to be simply thumped.
    1. +4
      22 June 2017 11: 38
      To determine the causes of alcohol in the blood of a child, the following tests are immediately taken, sections of the stomach for oxidation, sections of the liver, urine, a total of 6 more tests.

      Yes. But actually, urine would be enough. The medical examiner simply did not set himself such a task.
      I'm pretty sure that he will get out. Sledaka fired, about the woman is not sure, they can and put.
  18. +10
    22 June 2017 09: 51
    We either need to get used to the fact that we live in real Russia, or solve this and many other problems ourselves. Is it really not clear that all this is a consequence of the one who sits in our power? I am sure that it will only get worse. These cases come up by chance, but how many of these remain unknown?
  19. +4
    22 June 2017 10: 50
    Quote: Okolotochny
    So remove this "tumor" - the law enforcement system?

    "tumor" is not a law enforcement system. "tumor" is what was created after the destruction of the country. And at the head of which are now thieves and scoundrels. That's who you need to "delete"!
    I consider the need to revive the Councils of People’s Deputies to be the first step towards healing and reviving the country.
    1. +7
      22 June 2017 11: 20
      You will be surprised, but in many municipalities they are. Rather, they are called that. For example, in our area.
    2. +7
      22 June 2017 11: 40
      First, revive the GDR ...
      Then unsubscribe to VO how it happened.
  20. +4
    22 June 2017 11: 11
    Quote: your1970
    In the fourth quarter of 1934, 2600 packages were stolen; in the first quarter of 1935, 7700 was stolen

    Remember at the end of the 80's there was a decree that parcels should be presented in the mail in open form? What a joy to thieves?
    And at this time I was lucky to buy my wife winter Finnish women's boots ... Lepota!
    More than a wife, I myself was pleased. And then she already whipped the whole baldness to me with reproaches and reproaches. However, unfortunately, the mother-in-law had the same foot size as the wife. And the wife decided to send a parcel with these boots to her mother.
    I immediately realized that the boots were crooked when I saw the shining muddy eyes of the receiver of parcels in the mail. But you can’t argue against your wife, and with a sigh I gave the open parcel to the hands of a hungry mail worker.
    Everything! After that, the package was dissolved in the vastness of his native country. Without a trace and finally! And no matter how much they searched for her, they never found her.
    1. BAI
      +2
      22 June 2017 11: 46
      From Aliexpress, goods are constantly disappearing. They enter the territory of Russia - and everything, completely disappear into the vastness of our homeland.
  21. BAI
    +8
    22 June 2017 11: 44
    Explicit falsification and fraud. A child with such a dose would not be able to walk. A case of death of a child from alcohol rubbing is known - the body is wiped with cotton wool moistened with alcohol. Alcohol is absorbed through the skin, poisoning, death. This is from rubbing! And then I drank a whole glass of vodka. Plus camera loss. All. anyone involved in the investigation must be driven by a filthy broom. And those. who certified them - too.
    1. +4
      22 June 2017 12: 06
      A child with such a dose would not be able to walk.

      Well, you're straight captain of evidence. You read the interview, he didn’t just walk, he rode a bike.
      And now bring yourself to 3 ppm and be great (just wear a helmet), everything is immediately clear.
  22. +6
    22 June 2017 11: 45
    Now it’s fashionable to write about Navalny’s fight against corruption, but at the same time everything is against him, they say we don’t want a return in the 90s. HotInformation, obtained by bloggers and Moscow Region journalists, says that for some time now the "chosen ones" in the metropolitan area also include friends of the life of criminal "authorities." It turns out that Ms. Alisova is the wife of a man named Sergey Alisov, who is several months left before being released from the colony, where he was sentenced by a guilty verdict for kidnapping, extortion and rape. Reportedly, the gang of Kornyakov (named after a resident of the Kursk region Anatoly Kornyakov), which included Alisov, traded in scams and extortion, forcing residents of the Moscow Region to copy their apartments to criminals and transfer money taken in the form of bank loans. The gang stayed afloat for a long time, although almost every second resident of the region knew about its existence and composition ... I’m not very far away and we have left these times.
    1. 0
      22 June 2017 17: 59
      he was such a curious kid: he muddied with apartments, took away loans, for some reason he left his woman only money for “Solaris” ... who can be bought even for the cost of a room in a communal apartment in the Moscow Region .... Isn’t it strange for you?
      "Chosen" on the "Solaris", Yeah - well, at least not on the "Tavria" ....
  23. +4
    22 June 2017 11: 48
    What amazes me most about this is that some people talk about a six-year-old child who took a glass of vodka as a very likely fact. Or can it really be? Then this is a real disaster.
    1. +11
      22 June 2017 15: 30
      And the forum friends went down to the discussion, didn’t drink, and if so, how much and who brought it up ...
      The most amazing fact in this “case” is that some expert got involved in the fright, and who and why did the dead child (an ambulance who came to ascertain death, did not carry any experts) took at least some analysis of what? Experts appear in the case during the trial, it is not an easy task to appoint an examination (it must be agreed by both parties or very well justified by either side), you can endlessly reject the expert organization and a particular expert, seeking the participation of someone trusted by both parties. At the end of all approvals, the judge will appoint the examination and expert.
      There is only one option - the driver called the expert community, knowing for sure that they will help. No blood was drawn, and alcohol was injected with a syringe (no one will cry anyway) to win the case (like in America) procedurally, when anyway, he doesn’t give a damn about all reasonable arguments and logic, and most importantly - to shower with docs any insanity, but -time, following the paragraph (after all, we also blew off the criminal off from the enlightened west). Those who dealt with the courts, he knows what a monster.
      1. 0
        22 June 2017 18: 01
        alcohol injected-a little higher SIBIRALT writes that this is not feasible after death, only intravitally ....
  24. +10
    22 June 2017 11: 50
    Some kind of delirium.
    1. Otmazatsya she could have been.
    2. The fact that the injured (deceased) is drunk does not affect the essence of the matter.
    3. There is such a thing as "child alcoholism", they do not like to spread about it, but after the 90's it’s not fantastic.
    4. Yes, children can sometimes mistakenly "drink something wrong", but in such a quantity ... not really.
    5. Most likely there was a case of substitution (falsification), but, as always, they overdid it and will now hide it in every possible way (covering colleagues).
    1. +1
      22 June 2017 12: 42
      6. lover of crime boss on Hyundai Solaris
      1. +5
        22 June 2017 13: 25
        We look at item No. 1, equivalently.
    2. 0
      25 June 2017 20: 01
      If there was child alcoholism, then the family should have been registered with the commission on juvenile affairs, from where employees should visit them, and plus the district police officer periodically visit. Nothing has been written about this, that means the family is prosperous and the child is not registered.
      1. +5
        25 June 2017 20: 39
        Not necessary. Do we have a lot of registered alcoholics?
        And how many cases were when the grandfather or some of the elders in secret from their parents engaged in indecency.
        There was already information that they started a case against this friend and these "testers".
  25. +1
    22 June 2017 12: 10
    Quote: Okolotochny
    You will be surprised, but in many municipalities they are. Rather, they are called that. For example, in our area.

    the trouble is that they are only so called.
    Not for nothing that the Russian people have always advocated for the Soviets. And it was not for nothing that all the “leaders” tried to crush them for themselves. From Lenin to Yeltsin.
    All power to the Soviets! - this is the solution to the problems of Russia. Not dependent on anyone, or rather, dependent only on voters for the People’s Deputies.
    By the way, it’s not for the sake of this that the people of Perestroika accepted Gorbachev?
    1. +2
      22 June 2017 18: 07
      All power to the Soviets! - this is the solution to the problems of Russia. Not dependent on anyone, or rather, dependent only on voters for the People’s Deputies.I’m embarrassed to ask: where will they get the MONEY? There will be no money (budget) - there will be no sense from such Soviets ..... Well, then conjecture yourself ...
      And the money, except from the center, the local government will not be able to get from anywhere, well, we don’t have our own oil well in every village council ....
      And if it will be money from the budget of the subject - then your "independence of the Soviets" will immediately kirdyk.
  26. +1
    22 June 2017 12: 40
    The forgery is obvious !! With such a dose of alcohol, even an adult would eat standing, and the child would have been seriously poisoned at least !!! It’s just that someone wants to denigrate their parents, saying that if their child is drunk, it’s understandable why they did not keep track of him.
    Although the grandfather's fault is also there !!! He let go of the child, did not explain how to cross the road.
  27. +6
    22 June 2017 12: 52
    After such news, there should be no questions “why don't they want to give birth, youth flees the country” and similar questions. Everything speaks for itself and nothing is done about it.
  28. +3
    22 June 2017 13: 09
    Read Animal Farm.
    All animals are equal, but pigs are more equal than all others ... What is allowed to Jupiter ...
    Democracy is called ...
  29. +3
    22 June 2017 15: 06
    It is not for nothing that people say: “Do not fight with the strong! Do not sue the rich!” Now the rich sit in power and stamp laws for themselves, and then they fatten!
    1. +1
      22 June 2017 18: 09
      It is not for nothing that people say: “Do not fight with the strong! Do not sue the rich!” Now the rich sit in power and stamp laws for themselves, and then they fatten!-the aunt is apparently very “rich” - tea was driving on the Solaris ... Almost a Ferrari with a Porsche ...
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  31. +5
    22 June 2017 16: 10
    It’s to what extent they’ve gotten over already ... After all, no one even thought about the fact that this is a little boy, signing fakes with the results of blood samples. Screwed up. Definitely. The worst part is that on the TV presbyss from the Ministry of Internal Affairs agree with the version that the boy is drunk. Now they will save their own people and it will be very difficult to achieve justice.
  32. +2
    22 June 2017 16: 19
    Quote: Okolotochny
    So remove this "tumor" - the law enforcement system? By several

    For several? I’m afraid that if we dismiss from the “system” only those whose material assets value significantly exceeds the level of the official “wages”, we will be left without colonel-dash generals and the corresponding in other areas of “law enforcement” and “law enforcement”. However, following this “formula” we can lose a significant part of the deputies and state civil service officials.
    I have a hope that the decomposition still did not affect the FSB specialists or not to the extent that can be observed in other "systems".
    1. +3
      22 June 2017 17: 26
      I hope that the decomposition still did not affect the FSB specialists


      Come on. Probably I’ve already forgotten how the FSB general sewed up the cops (died from ricochets) during the night shootout .... Well, remind me of what the shootout was because I forgot something ... wink
  33. +3
    22 June 2017 20: 30
    A six-year-old boy crawling around the yard drunk, throwing himself at cars passing by and screaming obscene songs ... this is a typical phenomenon in the life of any Russian city.
    Didn’t they know? In a fair trial, everything will be explained to you. And the husband of this wife will lean back from the zone ... he will push.
  34. +3
    22 June 2017 21: 00
    Quote: your1970
    All power to the Soviets! - this is the solution to the problems of Russia. Not dependent on anyone, or rather, dependent only on voters for the People’s Deputies.I’m embarrassed to ask: where will they get the MONEY? There will be no money (budget) - there will be no sense from such Soviets ..... Well, then conjecture yourself ...
    And the money, except from the center, the local government will not be able to get from anywhere, well, we don’t have our own oil well in every village council ....
    And if it will be money from the budget of the subject - then your "independence of the Soviets" will immediately kirdyk.

    Oh! It’s really bad for me! Correctly, I understand that within the limits of the Moscow Garden Ring everyone will soon get a kirdyk After all, there is not a single oil or gas well there? Not a mine of gold ... you have no diamond copies. And on Rublevka, on Rublevka, have people been starving for a long time? Well, there is no ruby ​​- fur deposits. Oh, byad!
    Dear, do not hesitate to ask, and then the truth will be revealed to you that pumping oil, gas and other mineral resources abroad is not the basis of the country's welfare. Many other people can and want to open their own production. Yes Yes! And in other cities and towns, and not just in Moscow or even in St. Petersburg.
    Ha, how miserable are they to open enterprises? Yes, any, bro - at least to breed piglets. And they are good and local councils will have their own tax base.
    Just, pliz, do not take everything to the ends in Moscow! Do not send Moscow or Tambov brothers.
    There, too, normal and hard-working people live ... no matter how strange this seems to you.
    1. 0
      23 June 2017 19: 27
      Not "copies", but "mines"; bowels do not pump, pump what is in the bowels. And, in general, what are you doing here with the flag of the state - a Nazifascist, and even in Russian not a sizzling?
  35. +1
    23 June 2017 15: 23
    Well, I do not believe that with 2.7 ppm a boy of 6 could go at all. With beer, 0.24 shows and is already noisy in the head, and this is with an adult.
    This is just a guard where we are going.
    After all, it is clear that a bunch of goals had to fly. What a hopelessness.
  36. 0
    24 June 2017 01: 12
    Head of the Department of Forensic Medical Examination of the First MGMU. Sechenova Yuri Pigolkin: “The child was definitely sober, 2,7 ppm is a lethal dose for him, he would not be able to walk or play in this state,” the expert said. “Investigators are doing the wrong thing right now.”
    "Gazeta.Ru" previously discussed the situation with the narcologist Alexander Kovtun. According to him, from the point of view of modern scientific knowledge in the field of narcology and medical examination for intoxication, it is not possible to explain such a result in which 2,7 ppm of alcohol was found in the child’s blood.


    https://www.gazeta.ru/auto/2017/06/23_a_10734167.
    shtml # page4
  37. +2
    24 June 2017 08: 39
    Quote: 210ox
    Banditry, law enforcement and everything else that revolves around all this turns into a cancerous tumor ..

    ..that the police are the mafia ..
    medicine is the mafia ..
    the prosecutor's office-the mafia ... and all the state. structures ... The raven will not peck out the crow's eye .., everywhere the slogan is - you are me, I am you ..
  38. 0
    24 June 2017 11: 36
    Quote: Okolotochny
    And there is no time for "creating a new one".

    And the old does not work. It turns out there is nothing and it was necessary to create something yesterday
  39. +2
    24 June 2017 11: 38
    Quote: Fox
    I would not believe it ... but in '94, while on a business trip in Smolensk, I watched a 6-year-old drunk child lying around by the hotel ... hotel workers confirmed that he often “had a rest” here, got used to it ...

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    This should not affect the outcome of the case. The driver of the car hit him and moved the wheels. What is the condition of the child, if there are driving modes in the courtyards and house adjoining areas? The driver had to make sure that his maneuver was safe for others. not affecting, the person became dead as a result of an accident.
  40. +2
    24 June 2017 11: 39
    Here the question is even different. If such a fusion of crime and law enforcement agencies (it has long been believed that they also organize the so-called organized crime) is possible in the metropolitan area, then you can imagine what is happening on the periphery. In many, especially small Regions and districts, the administration, the judicial and law enforcement leadership and crime are interconnected by mutual responsibility and common interests in such a dense systemic tangle that they are already a monolith, such laws are adopted for themselves, they simply rob and deceive the population insolently, because they know that nothing will follow, impunity is complete. And it’s funny for me to listen to advice from citizens - go to court, never a simple citizen, a hard worker won’t win anything in court, and he’ll lose everything, neither from the housing and communal services (checked in his own skin), nor from trade, neither from the police, nor from an official., i.e., the population is completely defenseless from this system and is outside the legal field.
    1. 0
      26 June 2017 12: 45
      Well, this is such a modern, "new-fangled" kind of curse: instead of "go to ...." they say "go to ... court" ....
  41. 0
    24 June 2017 11: 40
    Quote: kunstkammer
    A six-year-old boy crawling around the yard drunk, throwing himself at cars passing by and screaming obscene songs ... this is a typical phenomenon in the life of any Russian city.

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    You know, you, too, have come in large numbers of Arabs who fuck local minors who justify themselves.
  42. 0
    24 June 2017 11: 40
    Quote: traktir64
    Well, I do not believe that with 2.7 ppm a boy of 6 could go at all. With beer, 0.24 shows and is already noisy in the head, and this is with an adult.

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    Hyundai Solaris driver does not justify this.
  43. +1
    24 June 2017 13: 30
    The power that exists exists in another space. How to return it to ours? Very simple. To disperse all power structures that do not fulfill their duties, starting from the prosecutor's office and to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    1. +1
      24 June 2017 16: 51
      Nope, it won’t help, only cleaning every 5 years))) By the way, where is this public chamber, why is it silent?
  44. 0
    25 June 2017 10: 15
    Quote: Strategia
    Not "copies", but "mines"; bowels do not pump, pump what is in the bowels. And, in general, what are you doing here with the flag of the state - a Nazifascist, and even in Russian not a sizzling?

    If you notice an error in the text, select the text with the error and press Ctrl + Enter
    after that you can simply and cheerfully go on ... I do not recommend to linger!
    1. 0
      25 June 2017 13: 36
      Certainly can. But only on condition that you are two steps ahead! laughing And in order to write on a Russian site, you must first learn not the key combination, but the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE!
  45. +1
    25 June 2017 12: 15
    It seems legitimate ways to call for accountability of some "people" are no longer valid. Is the solution to this problem beyond the law?
  46. +3
    25 June 2017 18: 43
    Impudent creatures!
  47. +1
    25 June 2017 19: 45
    I do not call for anything, but do not be surprised why doctors, cops and so on are being killed here. That's because of such filthy personalities. I am a supporter of official forgery, but in cases where you know 100% and you can’t close it. But I’m sure that the father of the child will take revenge on the woman, the tracker and the expert. I would do just that
  48. 0
    26 June 2017 06: 57
    The dark story. Due to the "fact" of the presence of alcohol in the blood of a child, the person responsible for the tragedy somehow disappeared into the shadows. When the ladies at the wheel start to scam, it is dangerous and here the investigation should examine in more detail how the rights were obtained, what the driving experience is, etc. What you want to do, but I thought and believe that a woman behind the wheel is more dangerous than a monkey with a grenade. Yes, they also said something about her connection with the criminal world. But surely the media will say that there is nothing serious, because the husband sat on a trifle for nothing, framed or something like that. But it would be necessary to dig seriously and deeper. Here very interesting facts may come up.
  49. +1
    26 June 2017 10: 56
    ... where is this r.v.o.s. select .... for sale .... no words (without the mat- "radish" ....)
  50. 0
    26 June 2017 14: 52
    Alcohol in the blood - because they injected.
    And what does someone really think that grandfather and grandson drank and went for a walk in the yard?
    A lot - because they did not count on the child. Apparently they used to only administer such doses to adults.
    Why did they inject it? - So then, that they panicked, as there were a lot of witnesses and began to clutch (like drowning in a straw) for everything that had helped before. Overdone, now probably regret.
    And the fact that Madame is on Salyaris is a thousand reasons, for example:
    - she has a couple of cool cars in her garage;
    - does not want to shine in front of bodies;
    - outstanding debt to creditors, etc.
  51. +1
    26 June 2017 18: 26
    The matter takes on a political tone. There hasn't been such impudence for a long time. The point here is that things have reached a point that is provoking the President's intervention. Moreover, if they intervene, they will talk about “manual” control, but the regional elites will not intervene. Confrontation. I agree with those who talk about opening a separate criminal case, but this is the FSB’s case since this vile story has acquired a political connotation.
  52. 0
    26 June 2017 21: 34
    I just want to say “your word, Comrade Mauser”
  53. 0
    30 June 2017 06: 20
    Whatever one may say, it turns out that a criminal “authority” who is also in prison has more power than law enforcement agencies?! I can’t wrap my head around this situation! Is there really no one to disperse the workers who are obstructing justice and disgracing our country to the whole world?